# Joe Skipper x Fred Funk

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 5 Aug 2025, 1 h 16 min.

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Joe and Fred talk about how Fred isn’t enjoying T100 and loved his debut full distance at Roth, their worst training camp training partners, they discuss what their dream triathlon would look like, how much motorbikes influence races, building the worlds best triathlete using individual swim, bike & runs, other rivalries, Fred’s plans to transition to body building after triathlon, one piece of triathlon tech you wish did not exist and much, much more! Nord VPN: Take advantage of a great deal with Nord VPN use the code triathlonhour or visit nordvpn.com/triathlonhour to get a huge discount in the 2 year plans PLUS 4 extra months! It is risk free with Nord's 30 days money back guarantee! Precision: Use the code TTH25 to get 15% off your first order with Precision at Precision Fuel & Hydration or subscribe to the Patreon and access the link that will save you 20% on every order, not just your first Patreon Pillar: Use the code TTH to get 15% off your first order with Pillar Performance at Pillar Performance or use The Feed for North American customers Patreon: We put a lot of time & energy into bringing you this podcast every week and have done for 4 years now. If you appreciate what we do, we would love your support and you can do so for less than the cost of a coffee per week on Patreon - Patreon link

## Transcript

[0:22] SPEAKER_03: Alright, guys, welcome back to episode two.
[0:25] SPEAKER_03: And this week I'm joined with Frederick Funk, fresh off uh an awesome debut at Challenge Roth.
[0:30] SPEAKER_03: Um, how are you feeling, Fred?
[0:32] SPEAKER_03: Are you uh fully recovered and uh did you enjoy the full distance?
[0:35] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hey Joe, thanks for having me.
[0:38] SPEAKER_01: Um I was actually listening to the your pod with Taylor um the other day, and I was thinking like starting this this this series you're doing there with like a guest like Taylor, it can only go downhill from here.
[0:50] SPEAKER_01: So now it went downhill pretty quickly, getting Fred Funk for the second episode.
[0:55] SPEAKER_03: Oh mate, you're doing yourself there.
[0:58] SPEAKER_03: But that was interesting uh talking to Taylor because I wasn't sure how it was gonna go because I never like spoken to or really met her at races, so I wasn't sure, but yeah, it actually went uh really well.
[1:08] SPEAKER_03: It was uh it was a good first one.
[1:10] SPEAKER_03: But um, are you feeling recovered now since Roth, or are you uh still struggling?
[1:15] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I think I think now I'm recovered.
[1:18] SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, first of all, like the the the race itself and long distance, I definitely enjoyed it.
[1:24] SPEAKER_01: I think it uh it suits me a lot more actually than than 70.3 racing or T100.
[1:30] SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, I'm definitely excited to do do more of that uh in in the future.
[1:36] SPEAKER_01: Um and then the recovery was like it was quite interesting, like especially because I have no idea how it will be.
[1:43] SPEAKER_01: You hear all the stories from all the other athletes or like the experienced Iron Man athletes, um, how it is with the recovery, and everyone is like in the end of the day saying it's it's can be pretty pretty tough, and it's like you have these ups and downs uh in the weeks after.
[2:01] SPEAKER_01: And to be honest, like the first two I mean the first few days after, obviously, I was like smashed and my muscles were completely sore.
[2:11] SPEAKER_01: Uh but it wasn't so much worse than after 70.3.
[2:15] SPEAKER_01: And then I thought I recovered pretty quick.
[2:19] SPEAKER_01: Um I felt really good and I got back into some training and I like I didn't really hold back because like you know, having some some the next races on the horizon, so I was just like maybe pushing it a bit too much, and now like it was yeah, like af three weeks after the race, I started to feel like completely shit for like a whole week.
[2:42] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like really, really down, and just like I didn't know what was really what really was going on.
[2:49] SPEAKER_01: Like I was just like I couldn't really push in in training at all, and then I took some rest and it just didn't get any better, and also like my um my whoop data um sh also showed like really bad, and it yeah, it took me like a week to get out of this hole.
[3:05] SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, luckily I'm now since a few days I'm I'm I'm back out of it, and now I'm I would say I'm definitely definitely recovered.
[3:13] SPEAKER_01: But I think uh the mistake I did was probably pushing it a bit too early.
[3:19] SPEAKER_01: Like I basically got back into normal training routine just one week after my first ever full.
[3:25] SPEAKER_01: And uh I mean it took a lot out of me the on race day, like in in the finish, I was really like really smashed.
[3:33] SPEAKER_01: So I think I should have taken like probably the first two weeks uh the recovery a bit more serious, even though I felt uh quite good.
[3:41] SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
[3:42] SPEAKER_03: So do you know um I've got a couple of questions on that, but so you said like it the muscle fatigue and that um at the start didn't feel much worse than the 70.3.
[3:51] SPEAKER_03: So do you feel like after you've done a 70.3, do you feel like pretty smashed for the first few days then?
[3:56] SPEAKER_03: Like your legs and everything?
[3:57] SPEAKER_01: Um I th I think I think it depends if I have to go like really deep.
[4:02] SPEAKER_01: Like I usually never train the day after a race, um, because I always see like athletes going going for run or uh stuff like that.
[4:12] SPEAKER_01: I'm like honestly, I just just not in the mood for that, and it's just chilling out.
[4:17] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, like the day after, um I'm usually pretty smashed, um, also my muscles, but but not not that smashed that like I can't walk stairs normal.
[4:28] SPEAKER_01: Oh but but then after Iron Man, you know, you see all his videos from uh athletes posting that they have to walk the stairs backwards and stuff like that.
[4:37] SPEAKER_01: Uh but I uh I almost could walk the normals.
[4:40] SPEAKER_01: I mean I maybe like a bit sideways, but yeah, it yeah, it was it definitely wasn't that bad.
[4:47] SPEAKER_03: You know, um when before you did it, did you think you wouldn't enjoy it that much?
[4:51] SPEAKER_03: Because I always thought that you were like through and through, you were a 70 point free athlete, you know, like you were that was like you loved that distance and that you you you were thought maybe like you thought I'll do a full just to see what it's like, you know, to see so I can tick it off and say I've done it.
[5:05] SPEAKER_03: But did you think like before you did it that you'd actually really enjoy it and now you're like thinking actually, you know what, I wouldn't mind doing more of these?
[5:11] SPEAKER_03: I've like because I think that seems a bit of a surprise because uh you were into the you were like ride or die for the T100, right?
[5:18] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean I actually like my when I switched from short course to 70.3 my plan was never to stay that long on 70.3 and always like switch, you know, just have this as a like a um starting point to go to get into get into long distance racing.
[5:37] SPEAKER_01: Um but then it was I switched for 70.3 in a time where like the the PTO came along, uh like with Daytona 2020 and then uh all the other races and then the T100, and you know, then then all the money comes in as well, and all the the good athletes, and it got really competitive.
[5:56] SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, you didn't you just didn't have that on 70.3 like 10 years ago, I think it was just like long distance athletes racing 70.3s, but you didn't really have athletes really um focusing on that distance.
[6:11] SPEAKER_01: Um, so then yeah, I was like, I will just focus on a distance as much as I or as long as I enjoy it.
[6:19] SPEAKER_01: Um But I was it was always in the back of my head that I want to switch for long distance, and I it was also in the back of my head that I think I would perform even better in in the long distance because my problem it was also in short distance racing.
[6:34] SPEAKER_01: I could never really I could never really go deep but I could go really long.
[6:41] SPEAKER_01: You just couldn't push yourself really hard for a short distance, yeah, like not as deep as others, I would say.
[6:47] SPEAKER_01: Like when you s when I come into the finish and everyone's just lying around, you know, and I just like never had the urge to like lie down in the finish, and it was more like I could do another lap.
[6:58] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like and that was the same in in 70.3 as well, and you know now it's getting getting so fast, especially the T100, that when you're not able to do that, you're just like not in contention, and then it's also just like no fun at all.
[7:14] SPEAKER_01: Like T100 is only fun when you're when you're up there fighting for these front positions.
[7:19] SPEAKER_01: Like last year I had a few races, and that was definitely fun.
[7:22] SPEAKER_01: But then this year um I had like two pretty bad races, and you yeah, it's it's uh takes takes you down on on the ground, I would say.
[7:32] SPEAKER_03: Was that just because this year, like when you did it, your swim was kind of like a bit off the pace in the T100 one, so then you're in no man's land, and then it's just a bit like you thought it was a bit naff because it was like you couldn't you didn't feel like you were in a race because there's only like 20 people, so if you can't see anyone just in front of you, you're like, where are they?
[7:48] SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
[7:48] SPEAKER_03: Was is that why?
[7:49] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's I mean, definitely when you're like like on good days, I would I would make just the front pack.
[7:56] SPEAKER_01: Um and then with my with my bike strength, I could be up there for for the whole bike.
[8:01] SPEAKER_01: Um, so that was what happened last year on my good races on the T100, but then um yeah, like on often I have like 30 seconds to a minute, uh minute to the front group.
[8:12] SPEAKER_01: Uh this year I even had like um in Vancouver because I couldn't really swim before because of an injury, even more gap, but it wasn't even like the main reason.
[8:22] SPEAKER_01: I mean, then you're already out of contention for the top positions, that's for sure.
[8:27] SPEAKER_01: But um then it's also like on the bike where you know I think that I'm one of the strongest, but I'm just getting completely humiliated, even though I'm actually pushing like pushing like decent power.
[8:38] SPEAKER_01: Um, but so that's like crazy.
[8:41] SPEAKER_01: Now I'm like, what the fuck are these guys pushing at the front?
[8:45] SPEAKER_01: Like, especially in Vancouver, that was insane.
[8:48] SPEAKER_01: Like I was riding with Sam, and we were I was I was averaging like 330 watts, so it was that it was not like uh um personal best power, but I was I got like over six minutes to uh to the front front pack with like Rico Bogen and Martin and all these other guys, and I was like, holy shit, like they if I I hope they are pushing like 380 to 400 watts, otherwise I just can't explain it.
[9:18] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so you've decided not to bother racing London, haven't you?
[9:23] SPEAKER_03: Will you do any more T100s this year or will will you like are you thinking now like you're just gonna target a corona qualification, I guess?
[9:30] SPEAKER_03: Like would you would you do that?
[9:32] SPEAKER_03: Because uh if you like the long distance, that's where you want to be, isn't it?
[9:35] SPEAKER_03: Really, next year.
[9:36] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure for sure.
[9:37] SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh the reason I like uh withdraw from London was more like that it was exactly now at in that week also where I felt super shit and I couldn't really get any um training in which I would have needed to get also the speed back um after the long distance.
[9:54] SPEAKER_01: So I was like, I mean, honestly, what's I'm not don't want to go there again to just to fight for like maybe a top 10 position.
[10:03] SPEAKER_01: So I was just like, yeah, then I rather skip it, and there are enough enough chances yet this year.
[10:08] SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm obviously uh have a contract with the T-100, so I did two races, so I have to do at least another three.
[10:15] SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, there's still uh some options with the race in France, Valencia.
[10:22] SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think I will I will travel to the one in Wollongong and Australia, um, but then there's still Dubai and Qatar as the last two up until December.
[10:31] SPEAKER_01: So it's it's quite a quite a long season.
[10:34] SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, right now I'm just trying to find my groove again and then actually yeah, we'll see if if maybe there's like a good Iron Man which would fit in still this year, but latest uh next year I probably would want to do like an early Iron Man and then try to qualify for Kona, yeah.
[10:56] SPEAKER_03: Is there good banter when you're at the T100 races, like you know, like leading into it?
[11:00] SPEAKER_03: Because all you guys all stay at the same hotel, don't you, and stuff?
[11:03] SPEAKER_03: Like, do you all like train together, or is it kind of like everyone's kind of like on their own schedule and like you might see people like for breakfast and stuff like that, but there's not all do you hang around afterwards and like you have a bit of like piss taking and stuff like that, or go out and do other stuff?
[11:17] SPEAKER_03: How does it yeah?
[11:18] SPEAKER_01: I think that's that's what's like the most fun about T100 racing, um, to be honest.
[11:23] SPEAKER_01: Like that we we all stay at the same hotel and then we also do stuff together, so yeah, training, just just go out to grab dinner together, um, just sit there at the breakfast buffet for for hours, uh drinking, drinking coffees and talking shit.
[11:38] SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that's that's actually really like the the most fun uh on the on the T100, like just hanging out with everyone.
[11:45] SPEAKER_03: Is that what would make you potentially take the contract next year because you think like it's guaranteed money and it's a good laugh.
[11:51] SPEAKER_03: The racing kind of like you're like you could hit you could take it or leave it, but you like the whole vibe kind of thing.
[11:56] SPEAKER_03: Because normally when you go to like you know, like challenge rough and stuff like that, and like other races, you don't really get that, do you?
[12:02] SPEAKER_03: You kind of come in and then you're kind of like you might train with one or two people who you know beforehand who you mates with, but that's it, isn't it?
[12:09] SPEAKER_03: You don't really see the other athletes until almost like briefing or like race morning, don't you?
[12:14] SPEAKER_03: And you're like, Are you right?
[12:15] SPEAKER_03: How you been?
[12:17] SPEAKER_03: See you in eight hours.
[12:19] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[12:20] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I mean that's definitely something I'd miss if I wouldn't race T100, but I think it would more uh if I like want to race it again or not, mostly depends on like I think how I perform uh for for the rest of the races.
[12:35] SPEAKER_01: If I like just can't get it together anymore uh and have at least three more chances for it, um then I don't think I will want to like just have another season where I'm like contracted and like have to do five of these races next to trying to qualify for Kona because that's what I want to do for sure.
[12:55] SPEAKER_01: Um I think that's also just then starting to get a bit too much, and then yeah, but uh that's that's definitely something I'd miss.
[13:04] SPEAKER_01: Um it would be nice to have that at like uh some of the other races as well.
[13:08] SPEAKER_01: Like if Iron Man would would start putting everyone together, like at least at the Pro Series races, and like in like one hotel and stuff.
[13:15] SPEAKER_01: Like yeah, I think I think that can make it fun, and also for the um that's what also makes really good content for like the social media crew.
[13:23] SPEAKER_01: You know, they're walking around there with the cameras at the T100, and they're just like grabbing everything what's happening there at the hotel, and uh yeah, there's usually a lot of a lot of funny stuff, and uh yeah, you just don't have that at other races, so you also less chance to to grab this this content which can go rival on socials.
[13:44] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, no, totally.
[13:45] SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, um do you think the ideal thing would be if they just sacked off the contracts and sacked off that season-long thing and they did it like you know how they did before, where it was just like three or four really big races?
[13:57] SPEAKER_03: So then, like you for you, like you know, if you were then targeting Kona, you could be like, right, I'm targeting Kona of like quite say you'd qualified and you'd already done it, you could just be like, right, I want to like be in top form for a one-off race, you know, and like there's like 40 or 50 people, you're racing for like a massive prize pot, and it's on a bit of a better course.
[14:14] SPEAKER_03: I think the courses sometimes let it down T100 to be honest as well.
[14:17] SPEAKER_03: Like they're just they're all the same, aren't they?
[14:19] SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, generally they're pretty flat foreign course.
[14:21] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and always like so many, so many laps, so like a lot of turns, so the group on the bike it just doesn't spread out.
[14:29] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[14:30] SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, not not hilly usually, like some exemptions like San Francisco, and I think Fraser's is gonna be hilly as well.
[14:40] SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, the I think it was the best year for for PTO where they had like this European Open, US Open, Asian Open, and there was just like the the best 30 or 40 can race.
[14:54] SPEAKER_01: And because then you really have like you don't have so many races, so like the athletes but also the PTO can just really focus on like the athletes performing on that one race, or like the PTO really just focus on getting like a really really good race and not trying to have like have so many so many different ones, um also cheaper, I would guess.
[15:20] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and there was so much hype going into the races as well, like when they just had them.
[15:24] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's like I think much more athletes would uh or much more like of the top athletes would try to target it.
[15:32] SPEAKER_03: And also because there wasn't any like appearance fees, like even if you finish like 10th or 12th, it was still like pretty decent money, wasn't it?
[15:39] SPEAKER_03: So it was like it made people fight for a lot longer.
[15:41] SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like oh right, I'm not gonna get a podium, I'm just gonna that's it, I'm just gonna kind of jug it in.
[15:45] SPEAKER_03: It was like even if people finished like 10th or 12th, they could still make like as much money, more than the amount of money they'd get for winning a normal race.
[15:53] SPEAKER_03: It was like, you know, that was it was made it like uh a lot more competitive.
[15:58] SPEAKER_03: Um one thing I've got to ask you about though is uh about like what was the deal with uh you and your uh mate Yuri?
[16:05] SPEAKER_03: Like, because there was a bit of like uh it all kicked off, didn't it?
[16:08] SPEAKER_03: Like uh the other year, like uh not this year, was it last year in Singapore?
[16:12] SPEAKER_03: And like he was coming towards you on the bike and he like did something.
[16:16] SPEAKER_01: But like what was all that it's not it's actually it's uh it got blown up a bit by by Jack as by Jack as well.
[16:23] SPEAKER_01: Um so no, it was it was like it started uh the the year before um it I think was challenge challenge Mallorca, yeah, and he he won that race, but uh he was like drafting for 90k straight like really crazy.
[16:41] SPEAKER_01: Were you in the race in Mallorca?
[16:43] SPEAKER_01: I was in I was in the race, yeah, and there were like a lot a lot of videos, and so I saw it were a lot of videos as well, and other athletes seeing it, and I was just like telling him at the finish, you know.
[16:54] SPEAKER_03: What did you say to him at the finish?
[16:56] SPEAKER_01: Just just like yeah, that was not really um yeah, not not really fair how he raced.
[17:03] SPEAKER_01: Um I don't remember the exact words anyway, but he got like definitely pretty pretty offended by it.
[17:10] SPEAKER_01: Uh and yeah, it's from for it went went on from there, and then it's like uh his his uh family and fans started attacking me on on on the socials uh in the in the comments, and uh yeah, and it's like it's just all normal usually like I stand up for like for like fair racing.
[17:32] SPEAKER_01: Um I mean you do as well, and so like it's just it was already like you know, this this Spanish uh Spanish races.
[17:39] SPEAKER_03: They just let anything anything goes, that's the problem in Spain.
[17:42] SPEAKER_03: They I don't think they like that you could literally be sat on the person's wheel in front, and at most you'll just get a warning to like keep a bigger gap, and then you'll do it again, and then they'll just do the same thing.
[17:51] SPEAKER_03: It would have been interesting if they had the race ranger and they were sharing the data.
[17:54] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
[17:56] SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
[17:57] SPEAKER_01: The thing is then that you that Yuri also didn't do it there for the first time, you know, and then like up until then he never won races, but now he started then like winning races with with that with the tactics.
[18:11] SPEAKER_01: Uh so so that what like pissed pissed me off a bit.
[18:14] SPEAKER_01: Um, and then yeah, like it was in Singapore where he was able to actually ride away from from everyone, you know, he dropped everyone on a bike.
[18:25] SPEAKER_01: Um, so he was basically was blowing me kisses on a bike, so probably like look at me, like no, I I can do it uh without drafting.
[18:35] SPEAKER_01: I mean, respect to him, you know, like that's that that's how you should race, you know.
[18:40] SPEAKER_02: So it's it's not like that.
[18:43] SPEAKER_03: I was that's all I wanted to see you do, pal.
[18:45] SPEAKER_03: That's all I wanted to see.
[18:47] SPEAKER_02: So I was like, good, I reached what I wanted.
[18:50] SPEAKER_03: Where did it I don't understand where it came from because like in the other races he was like you know, like hanging on there, and his bike was always the weakness, and then in that race he would literally just rode off the front and I don't know, put like two minutes into people, and it was just like it was unbelievable.
[19:03] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then he also didn't do it anymore at any other race.
[19:07] SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, it's was a bit of like a big bit of a standout race there in Singapore.
[19:13] SPEAKER_03: Do you think it was uh just a race where everything would have just clicked?
[19:17] SPEAKER_03: You know, like if you had the equivalent race of what he did, it would have just been one of those days where it was just like it went perfect, you know, like great swim, felt amazing on the bike.
[19:27] SPEAKER_01: Especially uh in Singapore, if you are able to have that day in Singapore, I think you can like yeah, you you can win it, like, and then uh have like this crazy performance with like cr like us also like crazy gap uh to the competition and just be so dominant uh because that race is like really special and it it it goes the other way as well when you have like a pretty bad day in Singapore, then it's like oh I can imagine it's like horrible.
[19:58] SPEAKER_01: Like I had it this year, and it's just you can't even go like an like an easy pace, it's just impossible.
[20:04] SPEAKER_01: And it's I I think it just goes in both ways.
[20:06] SPEAKER_01: So when you have like that really good day in there, then yeah, you can actually dominate it.
[20:11] SPEAKER_01: It's I think like Kate Wolf this year, um as well for the for the woman where she also had like a huge gap.
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[23:32] SPEAKER_03: I've got uh a few questions for you.
[23:34] SPEAKER_03: Um so one of them is uh if you're dropped in to a sport and you had to compete as a professional for a year, but it's not triathlon, what sport do you think you'd what sport would you pick that you reckon you could do really well in?
[23:49] SPEAKER_03: And what would be a sport that you reckon you'd be like flipping horrendous at?
[23:53] SPEAKER_01: Like So I gu I guess we also rule out swimming, cycling, and yeah, it's not swimming bike, you can't pick swim bike everyone.
[24:00] SPEAKER_03: Anything other than that.
[24:01] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I uh does it have to be Olymp Olympic sport?
[24:05] SPEAKER_03: No, it can be anything.
[24:07] SPEAKER_01: Uh bodybuilding.
[24:08] SPEAKER_01: Bodybuilding, yeah, like Smith Mr.
[24:11] SPEAKER_01: Olympia style.
[24:12] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, are you pretty good then when you go into the gym?
[24:14] SPEAKER_01: Like the thing is like uh which uh is like sometimes a problem that I I build on build on muscles really easy.
[24:23] SPEAKER_01: Like I I literally just have to look at the weights.
[24:26] SPEAKER_01: And I would I was even in the gym today and I was like, oh yeah, I think um if I would have like a few years ago decided to just focus on bodybuilding, I think I could have been really good at that.
[24:38] SPEAKER_03: Wow.
[24:38] SPEAKER_03: So what what would you like squat then?
[24:40] SPEAKER_03: Like even if you've just gone on the gym and had a break.
[24:42] SPEAKER_01: I mean it's it's not like you know, I'm not going to the gym now to like get trying to get PVs, you know.
[24:48] SPEAKER_01: I just like doing proper uh triathlon strength training, so also not not smashing myself.
[24:54] SPEAKER_03: What's you gonna do squats or anything like that then in the gym?
[24:57] SPEAKER_01: No, no, I do I do, but not like um I'm not going for like max uh full-on weight trying to uh go as much as possible, but like I'm doing usually I don't know, most of the time six to eight reps or something like that, you know.
[25:13] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[25:14] SPEAKER_01: Or like when it comes gets in the season, maybe like four reps, and then I would do squat like like eighty to hundred kilos.
[25:24] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[25:25] SPEAKER_01: But it it's not like that uh that I'm crazy good with weights, but I think I could be.
[25:31] SPEAKER_01: You could be if you if you dedicate it to and then like yeah, uh building up the muscles and bulking, you know.
[25:37] SPEAKER_03: Do you reckon if you train for it then you could do a good high rox?
[25:41] SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I don't know.
[25:43] SPEAKER_01: Like everyone's always telling me like I should I should do a high rox, you know, because like I'm a big guy, and then it's like oh you should do high rox, you would be so good at it.
[25:53] SPEAKER_03: And you like you like uh walking around with your top off as well, so you'd fit the whole yeah.
[25:59] SPEAKER_02: True.
[26:01] SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
[26:02] SPEAKER_01: I mean I have uh have to try it, but to be honest, like I'm not really a fan of that fan of that hype train.
[26:08] SPEAKER_01: I'm not really don't want to jump on a hype train because it's like everyone's doing it, and I'm like, or I'm already bored by it, but it didn't need to what would you be what would you think what sport would you be terrible at if you had to?
[26:20] SPEAKER_03: If someone said you've got to do this for a year and you'd be thinking, oh no, I'm gonna look like I'm gonna look terrible if I do this.
[26:26] SPEAKER_03: I know what mine would be.
[26:28] SPEAKER_03: Mine would be ballet.
[26:29] SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I mean something like that for sure.
[26:32] SPEAKER_01: 100%.
[26:33] SPEAKER_01: But I think we'll also be really bad at is like um and track track and field anything with like throwing.
[26:42] SPEAKER_03: Oh really?
[26:43] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's like I'm real I was really bad at it at school already.
[26:47] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I used to be the county champion for shop put.
[26:50] SPEAKER_01: Oh really?
[26:51] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, back in the day.
[26:52] SPEAKER_01: I was good at I was good at like obviously running and then but also the jumping stuff.
[26:57] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[26:57] SPEAKER_01: But uh but yeah, throwing was always like uh I was really bad.
[27:02] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[27:03] SPEAKER_03: You know when you um go away on training camps and stuff, do you like ever or when you go to some re some races, uh do you ever end up share them with any other athletes, or did you in your like time when you were like younger go away with any other like did you have to share rooms with any other athletes?
[27:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean uh I we were like we had this um like regional regional squad, um you know, there's like this national squad and then uh then there's like regional squads uh so for like Bavaria and then we often went away for for training camps and then you always share with with other athletes.
[27:36] SPEAKER_03: In your experience from all these, and even like maybe not necessarily sharing a room with, but like actually going on a training camp with someone you're staying maybe in the same house or something like that.
[27:45] SPEAKER_03: Who's the worst person you've actually had to share with?
[27:47] SPEAKER_03: Oh I led you down for that one, didn't I?
[27:52] SPEAKER_03: I was like waiting, I I gotta think like mine would be a guy called Noel Mulky.
[27:59] SPEAKER_01: Have you seen him on the I mean I know him, yeah, of course.
[28:02] SPEAKER_03: Like he's just so untidy, and he like tried to put like a bread a whole breadloaf into a toaster, it was nuts.
[28:07] SPEAKER_03: Like he didn't realize you had to cut a bit of bread.
[28:10] SPEAKER_01: I mean, I definitely didn't have someone like Noel Mulky.
[28:14] SPEAKER_01: The thing is, like, I don't know, it's just in training camp, like I also just throw around my stuff.
[28:21] SPEAKER_01: So probably I am the the dead person for most of these other guys, like that worse person.
[28:27] SPEAKER_01: So I'm also like pretty forgiving, like for for these these these types of things.
[28:33] SPEAKER_01: Um so I don't know.
[28:35] SPEAKER_01: I never really had anyone where I was like, oh definitely never uh I wanna never share a room with him again.
[28:42] SPEAKER_03: But is there a bad is there a worse person who you think oh man this guy's like uh a bit untidy or not?
[28:48] SPEAKER_03: Like uh they're all alright.
[28:50] SPEAKER_01: I think they're all alright.
[28:51] SPEAKER_01: I mean I think most of them tidier than me.
[28:55] SPEAKER_03: So you're thinking about the bus.
[28:58] SPEAKER_03: I know I'm trying to someone who's like better than me, like who's actually tidy than me under the bus.
[29:03] SPEAKER_01: I mean I'm I'm like kind of when I decide to um like especially in the last years to uh choose someone to uh go with training camp, it's already not that many athletes because I want someone who I can actually who can like uh train with me so like who can who can keep up.
[29:22] SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, it's it's already like you don't have like a that big choice anymore.
[29:29] SPEAKER_01: So you also if you don't want to train all alone by yourself, then yeah, then you have to live with them.
[29:36] SPEAKER_03: So yeah, yeah, no, it's true.
[29:39] SPEAKER_03: You're um your dad's a a big trial, isn't he?
[29:42] SPEAKER_03: Or like was into traveling quite quite big.
[29:44] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, both both of my parents, yeah, they actually had a pro pro license as well.
[29:48] SPEAKER_01: I mean they were never like doing it uh as full-time professionals, they're always like studying or um working full-time, but they like back then um you know that the whole um like all the the pros and age groupers all started together, but the pros could start in the first row, yeah.
[30:07] SPEAKER_01: So the only reason they got a pro license was because they my mom, especially my mom, was like a bit afra afraid of the the fighting and the swim.
[30:16] SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like 2000, 3000 athletes starting together.
[30:19] SPEAKER_01: So she wanted to they wanted to start in the first row, so they got a pro license just for that.
[30:24] SPEAKER_01: Oh really?
[30:24] SPEAKER_01: But I mean uh David, like my mom was was uh had like also won Ironman Switzerland and was second at Change Roth, and my dad had some pretty good results as well, so they weren't too bad back then.
[30:36] SPEAKER_03: Did they both compete in in Florida in um in Hawaii then?
[30:40] SPEAKER_03: Did they both race there?
[30:41] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my mom raced twice as a professional.
[30:43] SPEAKER_01: I think she was like 16s and 14s or something like that, back in the 90s.
[30:48] SPEAKER_01: Um my dad only did it as a as an amateur, um, which was yeah, in the last uh last 15 years.
[30:57] SPEAKER_01: Um but he finished twice uh on podium in this in his age group.
[31:01] SPEAKER_03: Did you go out there to Kona then when they were competing?
[31:04] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was uh I was like three times with my dad uh to to support him.
[31:09] SPEAKER_01: So I got got to got to watch uh watch big watch Kona and the Big Island already.
[31:15] SPEAKER_01: And also like the last time I was there, I was also like already full on in uh triathlon and was already doing a training camp there then.
[31:24] SPEAKER_03: Did that make you want to do it then at some day because you'd seen it there and you thought like one day I want to come here and race it, like race it, or were you not really?
[31:32] SPEAKER_01: To be honest, I'm like I'm a bit sad that the world championship is going away from Nice again.
[31:38] SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
[31:38] SPEAKER_01: Like I mean Kona of course like the the muth and everything around it, it's it's it's definitely special, but to be honest, the race itself is is not like it's it's not a nice race.
[31:52] SPEAKER_03: Nah but it's just the whole atmosphere leading into covering.
[31:55] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's yeah, it's like it's that and it was also like when I was there the first time, it was also like pretty special, like just to to soak it all in and have that experience, but uh but then in the end of the day is like if you if you're watching the race, it's definitely much better to watch it from home.
[32:14] SPEAKER_01: Uh like you don't you know yeah that's just like one one lap on the on the bike, one lap on the run, or you can see them like out and back, so yeah, you can see them like four, five or maybe six times uh during during the race, yeah, during an eight-hour race.
[32:29] SPEAKER_03: I think what makes Kona special is just the whole lead up, isn't it?
[32:32] SPEAKER_03: It's like the lit the week leading into it, where it's just like the atmosphere's really good, the whole vibe and everything, and then the race, like you say, yeah.
[32:38] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then all the stories, which like were yeah, just all the history from the race and the stories that were written on the course, like yeah, it's it's definitely a special race and uh worthy world championship, but like I think Nice uh like from the course and the race itself, um it's definitely more more speaking to me.
[33:01] SPEAKER_03: Well um what are some of the uh questions then?
[33:04] SPEAKER_03: Because Jack said that you've uh got a few uh I thought I'll let you uh got some questions as well.
[33:10] SPEAKER_01: So I think I'll start with that.
[33:12] SPEAKER_01: If because like you had uh with with Taylor the chat about uh what your um what's your training mate ha has to bring?
[33:20] SPEAKER_01: So I was like thinking if you could create your own triathlon event, what would it look like?
[33:29] SPEAKER_01: Like with anything, like course rules, like yeah, uh downstream swim.
[33:37] SPEAKER_03: A downstream swim, definitely.
[33:39] SPEAKER_03: I'd have that.
[33:40] SPEAKER_03: You know what I would think would be pretty cool to try as well in a full distance.
[33:43] SPEAKER_03: I don't know how it would pan out or not, but I wish they would like mix it up in some of them and just have them like draft legal, but on like quite undulating courses, because the bike, 180k, you could get some like good breakaways and stuff happen on that.
[33:55] SPEAKER_03: I'd like to I'd like to see how that what would happen because I think it could be quite exciting because uh say you got out of the water and you were like a bit down, but if there's like five or six of you all working together, you could get back in and then like 180k back to like a decent amount of time if you did form a breakaway, you could get a decent buffer.
[34:13] SPEAKER_01: If if it wasn't a flat course, that would be like pretty boring, I think.
[34:16] SPEAKER_03: But yeah, like it would have to be a good course, like a nice like undulate in some places where you've got like people to attack, you know, like a similar kind of roads, I guess, is to like what rough would be like, where it's like up and down, and there's like places that you could attack, or maybe like a little or some slightly bigger hills, something like that.
[34:32] SPEAKER_03: But yeah, a bit of not like a Texas course, that would be terrible.
[34:36] SPEAKER_03: Um and then the run.
[34:38] SPEAKER_03: I think Wales, I Man Wales is like absolutely fantastic.
[34:42] SPEAKER_03: Something similar to that.
[34:43] SPEAKER_01: I've been there as well, actually, already to support my support my parents.
[34:46] SPEAKER_01: They raced as amateurists.
[34:47] SPEAKER_01: That's my the absolute favorite race of my mom.
[34:50] SPEAKER_01: She loves uh she loves 10B.
[34:51] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I love that race.
[34:53] SPEAKER_03: That is an absolute race.
[34:55] SPEAKER_01: The atmosphere there's crazy on the run course.
[34:58] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that is the highlight of the race, and I really like that ROM because I think for a full distance, hilly runs are really good because it makes it a bit more like old school racing where people would blow up and they would like have they could have big gaps, but then their legs fall off on a hill, and then you know what it's like if you're like hitting the wall and you have to go up a hill, it can just force you to walk.
[35:16] SPEAKER_03: Whereas like with the new shoes and stuff like that, I kind of feel like if it's flat, you can kind of blag it a bit and you can kind of like knock the pace back and you can kind of get through it a little bit.
[35:25] SPEAKER_03: Whereas when you've got to run up a nasty hill, um, you can't.
[35:29] SPEAKER_03: So I think that's quite good because it makes it really tough.
[35:32] SPEAKER_03: And uh, if people are behind on the bike, they can still catch up, and even if you've got a like a big gap, it's not over until like you know, last four or five K kind of thing of the race.
[35:42] SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, something like that.
[35:43] SPEAKER_03: A really tough, a really tough uh run, not undulating bike.
[35:47] SPEAKER_03: I would like to try it, you'd definitely like to try like a non-drafting race.
[35:50] SPEAKER_03: I think that would be quite exciting.
[35:51] SPEAKER_01: And I guess like no motorbikes allowed.
[35:55] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I want you know what I want to see, right?
[35:56] SPEAKER_03: With this race ranger data and stuff, what just one thing I want to see is then put like sensors on the bikes and just record the data, like they did with uh you know us when we were racing in Roth, and just so we can see how much of an impact it is saying.
[36:09] SPEAKER_03: Because I mean, like I talk out about it a lot, but like I haven't even seen the data, but I'd love to actually see the data so we can actually see are they having an impact or not, you know, just put a sensor on every on every media bike, and if someone goes within like 30 meters of it, it just adds time, you know, and then at the end they just show how much accumulated time they're with there.
[36:28] SPEAKER_03: Not they're not going to give any penalties from it, but just so we can see, and then we can work out if they are having an impact or not, and how to change it, you know, going ahead.
[36:37] SPEAKER_03: Because at the moment, ever some people say they do impact the race, and some people say they don't, but none of us really know, do we?
[36:42] SPEAKER_03: Because we can't see any data.
[36:44] SPEAKER_01: I feel like most of the races it never really um impacts the the speed from the first guy, but it always gives extra draft to like the second or third, if it's like a great, especially in T100.
[36:57] SPEAKER_01: Like, because they want to film obviously like the the front, and then like they're filming from the side, like the first guy's definitely not uh getting like an advantage, but then it's like this second or third guy who are like 20 and 40 meters behind, they're getting a huge advantage because they don't don't only have the draft from the guy in front of them, but then also the motorbike, which is like on this on the side, slightly behind uh this guy, so like even closer than 20 meters, so then they can save a lot of energy, which which they can then uh um use when they are back at the front.
[37:31] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[37:32] SPEAKER_01: Uh so I think that's that's most mostly it.
[37:35] SPEAKER_03: Sometimes they're going in front of riders though, at the front.
[37:38] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's like in uh at Ironman Frankfurt was for some periods.
[37:43] SPEAKER_03: And like when you watch like some of the uh I like when I watch some of the Iron Man Pro Series races and stuff, they're like filming from like the front looking back, and then sometimes when they sh film them behind and they they show you in front, you can see that there's like motos in front that aren't even like filming, so like I don't even know what they're doing, like leading the way or something, or like maybe they're meant to be officials, but like they're just there's just too many motos on the course.
[38:03] SPEAKER_03: Like that's just the problem, I think.
[38:04] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's it is still a problem, even in Tour de France.
[38:08] SPEAKER_01: I mean you've seen it loud, like Quinn Simmons complaining about it, but it's like also they all know about it, and it's just like um, yeah, well, you've you've just gotta earn it, you know.
[38:19] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I feel like in the Tour de France they kind of make it, they try and make it like it spice up the race a bit because sometimes they put them in front of the brake to kind of make it hang out there a bit longer, and then it's almost like when they want the breakaway to get just to be out the way, they just put the motos in front of the peloton and the breakaway gets yeah, but but I think the difference is that like because it's only cycling, it's like yeah, the the best cyclists on that day get the motorbikes, but it's also but they're also because they are the best on the day.
[38:49] SPEAKER_01: While in triathlon, it's like always the best swimmers.
[38:52] SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
[38:53] SPEAKER_01: So it's not the best triathletes who like are able to get the motorbikes, but just like the best swimmers.
[38:59] SPEAKER_03: In cycling, because it's draft legal anyway, like you need your draft.
[39:02] SPEAKER_03: It's like if you're in the group and the motor's in front of the peloton, it doesn't really matter because you're all in the peloton, aren't you?
[39:08] SPEAKER_03: So it's like it's not that big a deal.
[39:10] SPEAKER_01: It just matters because they're snacking all the KOMs from their Yeah, definitely.
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[41:00] SPEAKER_03: I've got a um a question for you.
[41:03] SPEAKER_03: So if you had to build the best triathlete you could, um so you had to like use someone's swim ability, someone's bike ability, someone's run ability, and then someone's like mental toughness, who would who would make your ultimate?
[41:22] SPEAKER_03: Um we we could either go like T100 or um for a full distance.
[41:28] SPEAKER_03: What would you want to go for?
[41:29] SPEAKER_03: Who are you gonna build?
[41:30] SPEAKER_03: Like yeah, the ultimate Iron Man weapon, or are you gonna build the ultimate T100 uh athlete?
[41:35] SPEAKER_01: Uh let's let's let's go for Iron Man.
[41:39] SPEAKER_01: Alright.
[41:40] SPEAKER_01: So for swim out take uh Lucas White.
[41:46] SPEAKER_01: Would you?
[41:47] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like Prime Lucas Prime Lucas White, prime Lucas.
[41:51] SPEAKER_01: Prime Lucas White.
[41:53] SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
[41:54] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he he was like he was really like even faster than I think the best swimmers in Triton right now.
[42:00] SPEAKER_03: Do you think he was when he was in his prime, he was quicker than the uh Sam Aski, the Australian who uh got the swim course record in Kona?
[42:08] SPEAKER_01: Oh well it's a good question.
[42:11] SPEAKER_01: Um would have been nice to see them like head to head going for the course record in Kona.
[42:18] SPEAKER_03: I'd come with um that Sam Asky when I was in New Zealand before um the Iron Man, and uh like when what his taper set that he was doing was like hundreds off like it was short course uh and he was moaning because he he hates short course, um but it he had to do like hundreds off 115 and he was coming in on 63s, 64s, and that was like his taper set like two or three days before the race, and then I had I like was just trying my wetsuit on, so I did a 200 behind him when he was like cooling down, and uh I was like 222, something like that, and that was like his cooldown pace was like 111s.
[42:53] SPEAKER_03: But then I was in the open water and I did a set with him, and uh I said set, we were just like wrecking the swim course, and he's like, I'll just swim it easy, just stay on my feet.
[43:02] SPEAKER_03: And I like tried to stay on his feet, and I literally lasted like I don't even think I lasted 30 seconds.
[43:08] SPEAKER_03: It was like I was swimming like harder than threshold, and I could I just couldn't even stay on there.
[43:12] SPEAKER_03: It was just like it was like uh I would have to have been doing like flat out reps, it was crazy.
[43:18] SPEAKER_03: But I mean I would love to have seen what Lucas Voigt was like also in his prime because uh yeah it would be it'd be tall.
[43:23] SPEAKER_03: It's gotta be between those two, hasn't it?
[43:24] SPEAKER_03: Don't you think?
[43:25] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
[43:26] SPEAKER_01: I think so.
[43:28] SPEAKER_01: And because they're also like pure swimmers, it's like you know, they come out of the water and their race is done.
[43:35] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[43:36] SPEAKER_01: And I think for for the bike, um I'd say Sam Laidlow 2020, 2024.
[43:43] SPEAKER_03: Oh really?
[43:44] SPEAKER_03: You think he was going quicker on the bike last year than what he was than what he is this year?
[43:48] SPEAKER_01: I think last year he was like Yeah, he yeah, he was like dropping Magnus.
[43:53] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[43:54] SPEAKER_01: And uh he was like on different level on the bike last year.
[43:57] SPEAKER_03: Really?
[43:58] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's crazy.
[44:00] SPEAKER_01: Like I think it was yeah.
[44:02] SPEAKER_01: I mean I was racing against him uh in in London when when he also rode away from the group, and I was like I was basically the one uh behind him when he attacked.
[44:15] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it was just I was pushing like 400, 420, and just he just like steadily rode away.
[44:22] SPEAKER_01: But he like kept the whole the whole time he like kept uh kept the same pace while I once had eventually had to back off a bit.
[44:31] SPEAKER_03: And he swam non-wetsuit as well.
[44:33] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, so rode up to the group like basically past us and then just like rode away and yeah, and also what he put out in in in Kona, he apparently rode like 370 watts average onto the the turn in Harvey.
[44:48] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, that's it's pretty crazy.
[44:51] SPEAKER_03: So in Kona, like I don't think he necessarily had a bad day, I think he just played his cards and just blew up from riding too hard.
[45:00] SPEAKER_03: If you know what I mean, like it wasn't like he was on a bad day, he just rode too hard and just hit the wall, you know.
[45:06] SPEAKER_03: He probably felt pretty good.
[45:07] SPEAKER_03: I feel like he if he wanted to win, he had to, because if he was in a run battle with Magnus, my money would be on Magnus.
[45:14] SPEAKER_01: It's it's almost it's all it could be almost worse if you have a like good day and you don't feel that you're like pushing too hard and like burning way too much carbs.
[45:24] SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
[45:24] SPEAKER_01: So like when you have a bad day, like you just can't get over a certain like threshold, and then but it then actually you're going onto the run and you're like, oh, that's actually going pretty well because you kind of couldn't really ride hard.
[45:38] SPEAKER_03: You know, from your experience, like of trying to ride with him in London, and from what power you had to do, imagine like I don't know, let's just assume for argument's sake, you were riding the same pace as him, or like you were the one on the front.
[45:52] SPEAKER_03: What power do you think you would have had to have done to ride the to ride that intensity, what he or that speed, what he did, till the end?
[46:00] SPEAKER_03: Like, do you reckon you would have had to have rode 400 watts, 420 watts?
[46:04] SPEAKER_01: Um so like well when when I compared like power data with him last year at like um London and and Ibisa as well, and Ibisa we were like I stayed with him until the end, um or like we were one group, and I think Sam and me were pretty much leading the uh this the same same same often and the same time.
[46:26] SPEAKER_01: Um I usually had like 20 watts less than him for the for the same speed.
[46:32] SPEAKER_03: So you reckon so basically in Kona in uh London when he was riding off the front, you reckon he would have had to done like 420, 440?
[46:40] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
[46:41] SPEAKER_01: I I mean at least for for um for yeah probably five to ten minutes and then I I had I had to back off to like I mean I backed off to like three three sixty so he was definitely at least yeah probably still riding uh three three eighty to four hundred at the front.
[46:58] SPEAKER_03: Do you think see do you think that was the best that year of what he was like on the bike was the best someone's ever been on the bike in triathlon then?
[47:07] SPEAKER_01: I mean maybe Nice uh 2023 like Yeah, but still him, like I'd say yeah.
[47:15] SPEAKER_01: You think Magnus?
[47:16] SPEAKER_03: I don't know, I don't know.
[47:17] SPEAKER_03: I like Magnus has had a couple of really good ones on the bike.
[47:20] SPEAKER_01: Um I think ma the thing is with Magnus, I think he's really he probably could uh go a lot faster on the bike, but I think he's like really keeping back and saving it for the.
[47:36] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, true.
[47:37] SPEAKER_03: So I mean I don't know, like to try and pick someone who's done more dominating bikes than what you said, than what Laidler was like last year was quite I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who's done it.
[47:49] SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, that's probably a good call.
[47:53] SPEAKER_03: What about running wise?
[47:57] SPEAKER_01: Patrick.
[47:58] SPEAKER_03: Really?
[47:59] SPEAKER_01: I mean he's like the most the the guy who's putting out 230 marathons consistently.
[48:08] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[48:08] SPEAKER_03: So you don't think blue?
[48:10] SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I forgot about Christian, yeah.
[48:12] SPEAKER_03: Patrick does like consistently really good in Kona.
[48:16] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[48:16] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
[48:17] SPEAKER_03: Or what about someone like Alex Ye?
[48:20] SPEAKER_03: You wouldn't take a chance on him.
[48:21] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
[48:22] SPEAKER_01: I mean I haven't thought of anyone who is like has not done Iron Man yet.
[48:26] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's that's the question.
[48:29] SPEAKER_01: I mean, we are we are only talking uh running, right?
[48:32] SPEAKER_01: So then Alexe's I I'd say it's can definitely run even quicker.
[48:37] SPEAKER_03: I I would like to see what I reckon who I reckon will be a really good runner in an Iron Man off the bike would be that Hugo Milner.
[48:45] SPEAKER_03: Like real like he was winning our national cross-country races, he went to European cross-countries, he was like leading Jakob Ingabritsen for like a couple of laps on it.
[48:54] SPEAKER_03: Um and I reckon a cross-country runner is good would be a really strong marathon runner and like do a good Iron Man, as long as he wasn't destroyed at the end of the bike, and I think his biking's like a bit of his weakness at the moment, which is like I think the crux, isn't it?
[49:08] SPEAKER_03: Because you can be a great runner, but if you get off the bike in an Iron Man absolutely smash, you just cannot run, can you?
[49:13] SPEAKER_03: Like you just it's like you're running on with like two left legs or something.
[49:19] SPEAKER_03: But see, would you say you do you reckon or Hayden?
[49:22] SPEAKER_03: What even about Hayden Wilde?
[49:24] SPEAKER_01: I think if we I think for marathon, I would stand rather go for Alex.
[49:28] SPEAKER_03: Would you?
[49:29] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[49:30] SPEAKER_03: Why is that?
[49:31] SPEAKER_01: I think like I mean I don't know, I'm just speculating here.
[49:34] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
[49:34] SPEAKER_01: But like uh that Hayden is like really good and like for that runs like up until half marathon.
[49:42] SPEAKER_01: But I think when it then comes to to marathon, I think it's like Alex who's even more like economic or like his his his running style is much more like uh saving energy that kind of like running style.
[49:58] SPEAKER_01: Um I think for marathon that's that's probably better.
[50:01] SPEAKER_01: Where Hayden is probably more like going really hard or can go really hard for like anything until half marathon.
[50:08] SPEAKER_03: What do you think would be uh the limits of where someone could run in an Iron Man triathlon, but not like messing around on the swim bike?
[50:18] SPEAKER_03: You know, we're not talking someone who like is swimming really easy to save themselves and then you know, say biking like 30 minutes slower, like someone who's actually like swimming and biking hard to be in the mix starting the run.
[50:29] SPEAKER_03: What do you think the like limits would be on a pretty quick run course for them?
[50:33] SPEAKER_03: Do you think so?
[50:34] SPEAKER_01: Like right now or like in the in the future?
[50:37] SPEAKER_03: Right now and say like in the next 10 years.
[50:39] SPEAKER_01: I mean I think r right now, maybe this uh this 220 226, what Manuel Messias did.
[50:47] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[50:48] SPEAKER_01: Um I think someone like Christian, for example, um probably could could run that as well.
[50:57] SPEAKER_01: Like on a on a good course, um where everything comes together, um, and not met like not uh losing, I don't know, 16-20 minutes on the bike.
[51:08] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like he's saying it would be like Christian getting off in Frankfurt, like you know, right at the like near the front, like you know, front group, there's one guy up the road, it's in good conditions, and then he just like hoofs it and he does like a 226 kind of thing to get it.
[51:20] SPEAKER_01: So I would say right now, like 226, maybe 225, and then in 10 years maybe it's gonna be closer to that 220, but I don't think sub 220.
[51:33] SPEAKER_03: Do you think we'll ever get to sub 220 off a hard bike?
[51:36] SPEAKER_01: I mean we've got like this this huge um progress and in the running running times in the last years, but mainly because of the shoes, I'd say.
[51:44] SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
[51:45] SPEAKER_01: Um and then I think actually maybe Iron Man eventually switched to 20 meter rule, maybe the running times actually start to get slower again.
[51:54] SPEAKER_03: Do you reckon they would start to get slower then?
[51:56] SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of people I think no, not I think not at the top, like not the the best run splits, but like overall, yeah, there were gonna be bigger gaps on the run times.
[52:05] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the depth.
[52:06] SPEAKER_03: So you'll get one or two people that are still running just as quick because they're great runners, but then there's a lot of people that have just saved a lot of energy from being.
[52:13] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because now you see like on some of these races, like I remember Frankfurt, you see so many guys running between 230 and 240.
[52:20] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[52:21] SPEAKER_01: Um I think then if you if you go for 20 meter rule and they would actually have to to ride, ride harder, I think you won't see that many people anymore under 240.
[52:32] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[52:33] SPEAKER_03: Could you imagine though, doing like seeing the person who you know swims like say a 46, 47, they bike around four hours and then they finish it off for 219, like a high 219 run.
[52:44] SPEAKER_03: I mean, like that's that would be mental, wouldn't it?
[52:48] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I I think like if you talk like 20, 30 years, it's probably where that where the spot could go.
[52:53] SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you just see how it's progressing like over the last 20-30 years.
[52:58] SPEAKER_03: So now to like in 30 years' time to be a back-of-the-pack professional, you're not even in the prize money and you're like swimming 46, you're biking a 355, but you're only running a 228 marathon off the bike, and you're like barely scraping into the prize money.
[53:14] SPEAKER_02: That's yeah, that's bad.
[53:16] SPEAKER_02: It's the right now, it's just insane to imagine.
[53:18] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you'd be looking at it thinking, Fucking hell, I'm glad I'm not a I'm glad I'm not a my career wasn't now because I'd be screwed.
[53:29] SPEAKER_03: Um who's your like biggest rival in triathlon?
[53:33] SPEAKER_03: And that's not necessarily to say like someone like who you've got like an emotional finger with, you know, with like whereas like you know, a bit of like previous, but like someone who you kind of like tend to end up with a lot running or like biking with a lot in races, you just seem to be at the same part together, and you end up it normally pretty close, and you have a lot of close battles.
[53:52] SPEAKER_03: Like, who would that be?
[53:55] SPEAKER_01: I'd say over the last years, uh Jan Stratmann.
[54:00] SPEAKER_01: It's like we are actually um like really good mates, and he was also my best uh my best man at my wedding, so it's definitely not that that kind of rivalry, yeah.
[54:11] SPEAKER_01: But uh like when it comes comes to racing, we always end up like really close together.
[54:17] SPEAKER_01: Um and over 70.3 I usually was always like um getting the bet better on him.
[54:24] SPEAKER_01: Um but now on the my first long distance in Roth where he was racing as well, he he was better than me.
[54:30] SPEAKER_01: So but it was also like we were within uh I don't know, he was like a one and a half minute or so in in front of me.
[54:37] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I think it's still gonna be some and we are like both always fighting for kind of like best German in the race and stuff like that.
[54:47] SPEAKER_01: It's like especially in Roth.
[54:48] SPEAKER_01: I mean Jonas Schomburg was still in front as well, but yeah, it's like kind of fighting for the honor with him.
[54:57] SPEAKER_03: Did you you rode up to his group, didn't you, as well in Roth, didn't you?
[55:01] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wrote I I I caught him like in the last um last 20k.
[55:06] SPEAKER_01: Um and then and then my chain dropped and I had to catch up again.
[55:11] SPEAKER_01: Um and then I wrote yeah, I wrote into into transition with him, uh, Yannick Stoll and Finn Grosse Frese.
[55:17] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I just caught them at the at the very end.
[55:20] SPEAKER_01: It was actually really I I enjoyed the second loop and wrote so much because I started catching uh one by one from from that first big group, because they were like all starting to drop.
[55:31] SPEAKER_01: So that was like quite quite motivating.
[55:34] SPEAKER_03: Did you did you catch Vince or was Vince still ahead?
[55:37] SPEAKER_01: Oh Vince was still I think two minutes ahead, almost two minutes ahead.
[55:41] SPEAKER_03: So was he in third place starting the run then?
[55:43] SPEAKER_03: So you got a split when you came out of transition?
[55:45] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, yeah.
[55:46] SPEAKER_01: He like Jonas was leading, Sam second and Vince third, and then I got into transition and fourth with uh with the group.
[55:52] SPEAKER_03: Did you say anything to then Jan then like because obviously you're good mates in that when you started the run?
[55:56] SPEAKER_03: Did you like were you like pumping each other up because you both wanted to do that?
[55:59] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like um and I over because he he apparently um attacked together with Vince and then he but he Jan crashed uh on Solar Hill, like actually, I think a spec he he got stuck on a spectator, yeah.
[56:15] SPEAKER_01: And uh then I was I was catching up to him and he suddenly stopped and was like try like fixing his extensions, so that's when I overtook him, and I was just like, Oh, what happened?
[56:26] SPEAKER_01: But like couldn't really hear his answer.
[56:30] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think then we weren't really really talking to each other anymore in the race, like because we were like when we're really really racing um against each other, uh I think we're just trying to really focus, try to beat and beat the other.
[56:46] SPEAKER_01: But for example, at um at 70.3 world championship uh in in Finland uh two years ago, um it was like 1k or 2k before the finish, you had like another turn, um, and I was already like secure in in second place.
[57:03] SPEAKER_01: But uh Jan was just in fourth place, 10 meters behind uh Matis Magier.
[57:10] SPEAKER_01: So I was like shouting really loud at him that he uh that he should catch Mathis and he should go hard, and he was able actually able to do that, so we finished on the podium together.
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[59:05] SPEAKER_03: If you could ban one piece of triathlon tech like and you could get rid of it from the spot altogether, what would it be?
[59:13] SPEAKER_03: Like, is there something like that you just hate the look of?
[59:16] SPEAKER_03: You just look at it and you think, oh man, I do it because it's fast, but this looks so fucking naff, I just wish it didn't even exist.
[59:21] SPEAKER_01: Well, I I think I feel like the hell the helmets are getting a bit out of hand.
[59:26] SPEAKER_01: The helmets, I mean, like yeah, I I I mean the question is where does it go?
[59:32] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like the big zero one.
[59:34] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for example.
[59:37] SPEAKER_01: We've also got a new one now from Arbus, which I was wearing in Roth already.
[59:41] SPEAKER_01: I think it's still okay.
[59:43] SPEAKER_01: Um, because I mean it's obviously obviously fast and and it works.
[59:48] SPEAKER_01: And uh I think even from the side when you're like in air position, it actually looks looks alright.
[59:53] SPEAKER_01: But it's like from the front, when you're like wearing it, it looks pretty, pretty stupid.
[59:58] SPEAKER_03: That Jiro one looks horrific.
[1:00:00] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's crazy.
[1:00:01] SPEAKER_01: Especially, especially Morgan Pearson is wearing it without the visor, and then it looks even worse.
[1:00:06] SPEAKER_03: It looks like a shark or something, like that's what it reminds me of.
[1:00:09] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I just wonder like where does it go, you know?
[1:00:13] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[1:00:14] SPEAKER_03: But you would say that's it.
[1:00:16] SPEAKER_03: That's interesting that you said the helmets, because I thought you would have said something like the bottles on the bike.
[1:00:21] SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, they put a limit to it now, at least with the bottles on the bike.
[1:00:26] SPEAKER_03: I know, and you think it would look horrendous though?
[1:00:28] SPEAKER_03: Like when you see the bikes and you see like people when they're gonna and they've got like two bottles, like uh I think it can look quite cool, actually.
[1:00:35] SPEAKER_03: Do you?
[1:00:35] SPEAKER_03: So you're alright.
[1:00:37] SPEAKER_01: If you if you got them like nicely built in, like I mean, I th I think it it looks alright.
[1:00:43] SPEAKER_03: And it's what about calf sleeves then?
[1:00:45] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, calf sleeve would be the other one.
[1:00:47] SPEAKER_03: It's yeah, because you can't say but you just do it because it's fast, but you're like, oh man, like if these got banned, I really wouldn't be that bothered because no one would be getting an advantage.
[1:00:58] SPEAKER_03: But like if everyone's wearing calf sleeves and I know they're quicker on me, I'm gonna do it, but I feel like I'm gonna be able to do that.
[1:01:03] SPEAKER_01: I think I think calf sleeves definitely.
[1:01:07] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[1:01:08] SPEAKER_03: Would you like to ban carbon ratios?
[1:01:11] SPEAKER_03: So if not you weren't allowed to run in carbons for races.
[1:01:13] SPEAKER_01: It would it would be super interesting, actually.
[1:01:16] SPEAKER_01: It would like I think it would change the whole trial game again.
[1:01:19] SPEAKER_03: Oh, it was brilliant.
[1:01:20] SPEAKER_03: Like so many blow-ups.
[1:01:21] SPEAKER_01: I think like, yeah, it just brings everyone much closer together because like for some runners it works more than for others.
[1:01:30] SPEAKER_03: I've heard that like with carbon ratios that some people are like a super responder almost to it, like they gain a lot more.
[1:01:36] SPEAKER_03: Do you think that that's true then?
[1:01:37] SPEAKER_03: That some people do gain a lot more than other people when they go to the room.
[1:01:41] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so because I feel it myself when like um I tested a lot of carbon shoes over the years, and some don't work at all, like I even feel slower than with like a normal shoe, but then some work like crazy, and also like um when I on depending on the day also sometimes, like I wear the same shoe like on a day where I have like really good legs and can just like run uh and like a better technique, and then I feel like it works even better, while uh like on a bad day it just gives me that don't know that usual five seconds per kilometer or something like that.
[1:02:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and then like on a good day, just because I run uh like a little bit different technique, it suddenly gives me like 10 seconds per kilometer.
[1:02:27] SPEAKER_03: Wow.
[1:02:28] SPEAKER_01: So if you've got like a lot of pop in your legs, then like quick like yeah, probably like and I can really use my my foot as as well, like maybe like uh put a rule on a cowboy shoes that they all have to be the same or something.
[1:02:43] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it'd be interesting if they did ban it.
[1:02:45] SPEAKER_03: I used to like it because when you start doing Iron Man's up until like COVID, there used to be so many more blow-ups because obviously, like your legs used to just get so smashed that it was like a struggle just to keep going.
[1:02:56] SPEAKER_03: So some people would have like a 10-minute lead, and all of a sudden they're like shit would hit the fan, and then it would go like eight minutes, six minutes, five minutes, and it would just be coming down like really quick.
[1:03:05] SPEAKER_03: But now it's like you just don't get that.
[1:03:07] SPEAKER_03: Now it's like once someone has like a six-seven minute gap, they just rarely rarely blow up.
[1:03:12] SPEAKER_03: They might just slow a bit, but that's it.
[1:03:14] SPEAKER_03: They never like it.
[1:03:14] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's like when you wear these carbon shoes and you start running, you automatically go like four minutes per K.
[1:03:20] SPEAKER_01: Like even when you do nothing and you're like four minutes per K.
[1:03:23] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, you just you just can't really run slow in the Yeah, so I don't know.
[1:03:29] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wouldn't mind because like I've got strong calves, so I'd be happy to go back to these like really slim uh 150 gram shoes, which is just like iron's in.
[1:03:42] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like uh the brook.
[1:03:44] SPEAKER_03: I remember like the Brooks like T6 racer or something, it's like sub like 180 gram like racing flat, and now I think to myself, flipping, how did I even manage to like like run that run the marathon with that on?
[1:03:56] SPEAKER_03: Like, and that was just like the standard, like that.
[1:03:58] SPEAKER_03: You just pick like the lightest racing flats you could get, and you'd do an Iron Man now and be like, oh my god, I'd be like crucified, like if I did that.
[1:04:06] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, getting too soft now, I guess.
[1:04:09] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so um yeah, um is there anything uh any other questions that you've got or anything else you wanted to have a little chat about?
[1:04:18] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've got like two two would you would you rather questions?
[1:04:22] SPEAKER_01: So would would you rather flat 10k or whatever, like would you rather flat uh on on a bike or or and it takes like longer than five minutes to to repair or get a five minute drafting penalty?
[1:04:39] SPEAKER_01: But repair repairing the fl repairing the flat would take longer than five minutes.
[1:04:43] SPEAKER_03: Uh, definitely the five minute drafting penalty.
[1:04:47] SPEAKER_03: Because you can just stand there, can't you, and you can chill.
[1:04:49] SPEAKER_03: Whereas like that's quite stressful, isn't it?
[1:04:52] SPEAKER_01: But you're also getting getting the shit, oh like Joe was drafting.
[1:04:55] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
[1:04:56] SPEAKER_03: But you could just say what everyone else did.
[1:04:57] SPEAKER_03: Oh, it was a terrible call by the official I wasn't drafted, it was the officially added in for me.
[1:05:05] SPEAKER_03: Everyone's been no one no one ever was drafted a terrible call.
[1:05:10] SPEAKER_01: Would would you rather be respected by all the pros but be completely unknown to fans or be adored by the fans but not taken seriously by your competitors?
[1:05:21] SPEAKER_03: Probably respected by by your fellow competitors, I reckon.
[1:05:25] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like definitely.
[1:05:27] SPEAKER_03: Because like I you uh I wouldn't be too bothered about being like adored by all the fans and stuff, but then if everyone else thinks that you're a bit of a dick, like yeah, I'd rather like uh be respected by your fellow competitors, like that's what I'd say.
[1:05:41] SPEAKER_03: What would you say to that then?
[1:05:42] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the same.
[1:05:43] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[1:05:44] SPEAKER_01: But on on the other hand, if you want to live from the sport, you like kinda need the fans to so would if you were respected by all your competitors, would it mean the fans hate you in general?
[1:05:54] SPEAKER_03: So you're quite a disliked person by the fans?
[1:05:56] SPEAKER_01: I mean we we can we can say we can say that we can say that.
[1:06:02] SPEAKER_01: We can say it like that.
[1:06:03] SPEAKER_01: So, like, be respected by competitors, but all of them like hate you.
[1:06:08] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[1:06:08] SPEAKER_03: If it was like that, then I would probably say the opposite where the competitors thought you were a bit of a dick because you see them at races and you don't see them too much after.
[1:06:18] SPEAKER_03: So if they thought you were a bit of a dick, then you'd kind of be like, whatever, it's like it's just work at the end of the day.
[1:06:23] SPEAKER_03: I'm just going there to do a job and that is what it is.
[1:06:25] SPEAKER_01: But then, like you say, all the fans love you.
[1:06:27] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and in like because I mean, like, yeah, like when you went to like the race and stuff like that, your competitors would be like, he's a dick, but then as soon as you left and you're like walking around the town, people would be like, Oh, you know, good luck with the race, you know, and all that and stuff, and it would probably make you feel a bit better.
[1:06:39] SPEAKER_03: Um, whereas if everyone thought you were a bit of a dick, like you're generally seeing more of the fans, aren't you?
[1:06:44] SPEAKER_03: And like you say, if you wanted to do something after the sport and stuff, you wouldn't really have a platform, would you, to kind of do anything with.
[1:06:50] SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it would have to be that.
[1:06:51] SPEAKER_03: But if it was like neutral with the fans, so they did they could like they didn't hate me, they didn't like me, then I'd probably say the respect one.
[1:06:57] SPEAKER_03: But if it was like extremes of both, then it would probably be yeah, like I'd probably just have to accept for people just thinking I was a bit of a dick.
[1:07:03] SPEAKER_01: Uh one last one last question.
[1:07:07] SPEAKER_01: So is there a session you hate but you still do because it works?
[1:07:13] SPEAKER_03: Um a session that I hate that I still do.
[1:07:18] SPEAKER_03: I quite like um doing um like I like doing like the high intensity stuff, like so it's not like I really hate them, which is like what a lot of people I think I feel like most people don't like.
[1:07:29] SPEAKER_03: But I would say what I what I hate doing if I was to look at all my trial and training, would be if I'm running, say and I'm biking and I've got a hard session, I can do it by myself.
[1:07:39] SPEAKER_03: Biking's easiest, like I don't think it doesn't like uh weigh on me, if you know what I mean, beforehand.
[1:07:44] SPEAKER_03: I don't procrastinate.
[1:07:45] SPEAKER_03: Running, like say if I had to go to the track and I was going solo and I had to do it, that would be a bit like oh like I'm not really looking forward to this, but then as soon as I started, I think I'd be in the zone.
[1:07:54] SPEAKER_03: But if it was a swim session and it was a hard swim session, threshold or vo2, I'm turning up to the pool by myself, no one else there, that would be grim.
[1:08:05] SPEAKER_03: Like I'd hate that, but I would try and get I would try and do it, but it would be like I'd probably be procrastinating quite a bit, and I'd say that I definitely don't enjoy that.
[1:08:14] SPEAKER_03: Like if I've got company and it was like a hard swim session, I actually can get into it and I actually quite enjoy it, but like solo swimming I find so rubbish.
[1:08:22] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's the same for me the swimming.
[1:08:25] SPEAKER_01: But it's lot it's I think I wouldn't even say the hard swimming because I kind of get can get motivate myself for the for the hard swim sessions because it's usually like sets I I what I really like or enjoy and I I usually always find find my groove.
[1:08:39] SPEAKER_01: But when it's like an let's say a 5k easy swim and I maybe like have absolutely no idea what I'm about to to swim until I'm at the pool deck, so like which set which set or something, it's just like and also like solo, and then maybe it's even winter and it's cold outside and gotta drive 20 minutes to the swimming pool and it's already dark.
[1:09:07] SPEAKER_03: Swimming feels like it takes forever sometimes compared to other sports, like you know, like if you had to do a solo run, it was like a 70-minute run, 75-minute run.
[1:09:16] SPEAKER_03: That feels like it goes a lot quicker than a solo, like you said, 5k swim.
[1:09:20] SPEAKER_03: Like if I was having to do a solo 5k swim, it'd feel like I'd spent like the whole week in the pool.
[1:09:24] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would say a 5k swim is a long swim.
[1:09:27] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and a and a bike ride, if someone said to you you just gotta do a 90-minute bike ride, you'd be like, oh my god, is that's like short, that's like the shortest, shortest you do, you know.
[1:09:35] SPEAKER_01: You know, you usually don't do under 90 minutes, do you?
[1:09:38] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no, very rarely.
[1:09:39] SPEAKER_01: And it's like 90 minute swim, it's like oof, yeah, that's that's a long one.
[1:09:47] SPEAKER_03: Have a have a you'd end up needing 200 carbs to get yourself through it.
[1:09:51] SPEAKER_03: That's what they're all saying now, wasn't it?
[1:09:53] SPEAKER_03: I saw something that like Christian Blumenfeld having 300 grams of carbs an hour.
[1:09:57] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Sam Lalo um also posted his nutrition plan from uh Irman Leeds in his last uh 300 grams of carbs an hour.
[1:10:06] SPEAKER_01: I think it was like 200 an hour on the bike, and then uh even like still like 140 or per hour or something on the run.
[1:10:14] SPEAKER_03: And the nutrition company is rubbing their hands thinking, yes, this is what we want to hear.
[1:10:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it's like all the all the age groups like start copying it and start doing it.
[1:10:23] SPEAKER_03: I saw a funny comment.
[1:10:24] SPEAKER_03: What I saw was someone some people did an article, like one of these things on Instagram, and it said how Christian Bloomfeld's taking 300 grams of carbs an hour, and an age group would comment on it and put, oh man, no way, that's like 20 euros an hour.
[1:10:41] SPEAKER_03: Are people really taking that much in training?
[1:10:43] SPEAKER_03: I think yeah.
[1:10:46] SPEAKER_01: Plus the lactate stripes, the the plus the plasmates, the the bicarb, like it's getting really expensive.
[1:10:54] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, forget about your coach.
[1:10:55] SPEAKER_03: Your one long ride a week where you're doing some efforts and you've got like four lactate strips and 300 grams of carbon hours, that cost you 100 euros just to get like a four-hour ride done.
[1:11:04] SPEAKER_03: It's like like they're literally costing you the same as a mortgage just to train.
[1:11:12] SPEAKER_03: Oh well, um, yeah, thanks for your uh time, Fred.
[1:11:16] SPEAKER_03: Um I we're just over an hour there, and uh I don't want to take up too much more of your time, but um yeah, it's been great chatting to you and uh hope you have uh a good rest of the year.
[1:11:25] SPEAKER_03: And uh what will be the next race where where we can see you at?
[1:11:29] SPEAKER_01: Um so I'm actually not 100% sure yet.
[1:11:32] SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I definitely T100 Valencia.
[1:11:37] SPEAKER_01: Um not I'm not on a start list for uh for free use.
[1:11:43] SPEAKER_01: Um and but probably do Ironman 70.3 Zelam C then instead.
[1:11:50] SPEAKER_03: Don't fancy Iron Man Switzerland, three weeks time, get your conner slot nice and wrapped up, first Iron Man and the uh near qualifying block.
[1:11:58] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I see how I see how I see how the training training goes.
[1:12:02] SPEAKER_01: Are you racing Switzerland?
[1:12:03] SPEAKER_03: Uh no, I'm not doing Switzerland.
[1:12:05] SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna do Copenhagen the week before, but have you ended it then as backup then?
[1:12:07] SPEAKER_03: So you've got your.
[1:12:10] SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's on.
[1:12:11] SPEAKER_01: I'm register I'm registered for for Switzerland and I'm registered for for Zellam Z.
[1:12:16] SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, I'm definitely gonna do one of those.
[1:12:19] SPEAKER_03: So basically, if he feels alright in training over the next 10 days, he's like, fuck it, I'm going for Switzerland because I want to get know that I've qualified for Cona and have a shot.
[1:12:27] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's still like I don't know.
[1:12:30] SPEAKER_01: That's I feel like I I wish it was like two weeks later, Switzerland.
[1:12:35] SPEAKER_01: Then I'll 100% do it.
[1:12:37] SPEAKER_03: It is a great course, it's a good one, it's actually quite a good one for you because quite punchy as well, some of the climbs.
[1:12:42] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was always telling myself that when I do Iron Man, I will only do Iron Man, switch I like I enjoy the race.
[1:12:49] SPEAKER_01: I mean, apart from like world championship and then enjoy the course.
[1:12:53] SPEAKER_01: So, for example, I think you will never see me racing Ironman Texas.
[1:12:57] SPEAKER_03: Oh Texas is horrendous.
[1:13:00] SPEAKER_03: The old Texas course used to be absolutely mint as well.
[1:13:02] SPEAKER_03: One lap, 180k, rolling roads, really, really nice, and then they moved it onto the Hardy Toll road, and it just horrific, like absolutely horrendous.
[1:13:11] SPEAKER_01: Like, but then there are like a few items I really want to do is like Switzerland or like Austria, um Lanceroti.
[1:13:19] SPEAKER_01: I would love to uh to have Wales again as a man pro made pro race.
[1:13:24] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Wales with or like New New Zealand, Lake Placid look pretty cool.
[1:13:29] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I've done basically every single one of them.
[1:13:31] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you did which one didn't you do it?
[1:13:34] SPEAKER_02: Did you do it?
[1:13:34] SPEAKER_03: They're all good, they're all good.
[1:13:38] SPEAKER_03: Lake Placid's a really good one for an American one because it's normally their courses are like pretty flat and a bit boring, whereas that one's actually quite nice for training as well.
[1:13:47] SPEAKER_03: So when you're out there, like Texas, you got there for training, and it's like so hard to find roads that are actually rideable from where you stay without getting like where you're not gonna get knocked off by some flipping Ford 150.
[1:13:59] SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, we had the US Open in uh in Dallas, and it was like middle of the city, um and it was like impossible to train outside.
[1:14:11] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's why they all ride on Swift, and that's why they can't ride round the corner, isn't it?
[1:14:14] SPEAKER_03: You know, like any c any turns, and the Americans are like having a fit, like they won't do them.
[1:14:20] SPEAKER_03: You know, they complain that tech Texas is too technical.
[1:14:23] SPEAKER_01: Really?
[1:14:24] SPEAKER_03: Because yeah, because you have like 10 miles of like normal.
[1:14:26] SPEAKER_01: I mean they were they were saying also like at um about Clash My Clash Miami, that it was like, oh, it's a it's a pretty technical course, it you're just riding in the stadium.
[1:14:38] SPEAKER_01: Some of the American athletes said that it's like quite technical.
[1:14:43] SPEAKER_03: And in there like one corner where you have to come off the T T bars and that's it.
[1:14:46] SPEAKER_03: Like, and if you want, you could lean in around it.
[1:14:50] SPEAKER_01: But I have to say I find it quite impressive from the American from like some of the Americans, like that they do like 80 or 90% of their training indoors, or some of them even like all of their training, because like now here the last uh few weeks is like so bad weather, so I had to do like most of my rides indoors, and it's just like honestly, I I can't do it for a long period mentally.
[1:15:14] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't actually Matt Hansen told me at one point, I don't know if he still does, but he was riding like indoors like all the time, all his training.
[1:15:23] SPEAKER_03: Could you imagine like I mean 15 to 20 hours of riding indoors every week, not getting outside for like months on end?
[1:15:30] SPEAKER_03: I'd oh god.
[1:15:31] SPEAKER_03: Now we said about like picking mental toughness.
[1:15:33] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just wanted to say we forgot about that, so you gotta pick one of those athletes who are doing like 100% indoors.
[1:15:40] SPEAKER_03: Any American that trains predominantly inside, Lionel.
[1:15:44] SPEAKER_03: Lionel has actually got quite a lot of mental toughness.
[1:15:46] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you think you have to do Lionel or Christian?
[1:15:49] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
[1:15:51] SPEAKER_03: All right.
[1:15:51] SPEAKER_03: I'll let you get on, mate.
[1:15:53] SPEAKER_03: Thanks for coming on.
[1:15:54] SPEAKER_01: All right.
[1:15:54] SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Joe.
[1:15:55] SPEAKER_01: See you later.
[1:15:56] SPEAKER_01: See you, man.

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