# ALeeN Rose: Amy Nelson & Tina Rose Bridges on Music, Family Legacy & Willie Nelson & Leon Russell's Enduring Bond

An episode of [Takin' A Walk - Music History with Buzz Knight](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1594930776), 15 Sep 2026, 38 min.

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Two musical bloodlines finally converge in this episode of Takin' A Walk with Buzz Knight, featuring ALeeN Rose — the duo of Amy Nelson (daughter of Willie Nelson) and Tina Rose Bridges (daughter of the late Leon Russell). Decades after their fathers' iconic 1979 collaboration One for the Road, Amy and Tina Rose reunited as adults to form ALeeN Rose, turning shared grief, healing, and inheritance into music. Buzz talks with Amy and Tina Rose about their debut single "They're There," a tribute to Amy's brother and Tina Rose's father featuring Willie Nelson himself, plus upcoming covers of Eddie Vedder's "My Father's Daughter" and a deep cut from Kris Kristofferson's catalog. The conversation moves through growing up in a tight-knit music family that included Kristofferson, their early activism with Austin's Grassroots Leadership at their very first live show, and how music becomes a therapeutic and spiritual bridge to loved ones who've passed. It's a raw, emotional conversation about legacy — the kind you inherit without asking, and the kind you choose to build with your own hands. Support the show: https://takinawalk.com/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: I'm Buzz Knight and welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast.
[0:04] Speaker 1: Now today's episode brings us two voices that share more
[0:09] Speaker 1: than blood. They share a language built entirely in music. A.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Leon Rose is Amy Lee Nelson and Tina Rose Bridges,
[0:18] Speaker 1: daughters of two legendary musicians who met way back when.
[0:22] Speaker 2: They were too young to remember.
[0:24] Speaker 1: Somewhere on the road with their dads, Willie Nelson and
[0:28] Speaker 1: Leon Russell. Amy is Willie Nelson's daughter. Tina Rose is
[0:33] Speaker 1: the daughter of the late Leon Russell. And their fathers
[0:36] Speaker 1: weren't just legends who happened to cross paths. In 1979,
[0:41] Speaker 1: Willie and Leon released the chart-topping double album, One for
[0:45] Speaker 1: the Road, and they continued performing together on stage over
[0:48] Speaker 1: the years. So when Amy and Tina Rose finally joined
[0:52] Speaker 1: forces as Alien Rose, it wasn't a novelty pairing. It
[0:56] Speaker 1: was two families, musical bloodlines, finally converging in the next generation.
[1:01] Speaker 1: We're going to get into their debut single, They're There,
[1:05] Speaker 1: a song that pays tribute to Amy's brother, Billy Nelson,
[1:08] Speaker 1: and Tina Rose's father, Leon Russell, featuring Willie Nelson himself,
[1:13] Speaker 1: meaning both of their dads had a hand in shaping it.
[1:17] Speaker 1: We'll talk about two upcoming covers that mean the world
[1:20] Speaker 1: to them, My Father's Daughter, Eddie Vedder's song written for
[1:23] Speaker 1: the film Flag Day, which hit them in a completely
[1:26] Speaker 1: different but eerily familiar way than the movie ever intended.
[1:31] Speaker 1: And in the news, a deep cut from Chris Christopherson's catalog,
[1:36] Speaker 1: a guy that they didn't just admire from afar, but
[1:39] Speaker 1: they grew up around. We'll also get into their very
[1:42] Speaker 1: first show ever, a benefit for grassroots leadership, an Austin-based
[1:47] Speaker 1: human rights organization doing extraordinary hands-on work for immigrant families.
[1:53] Speaker 1: This is an episode about inheritance, the kind you can't
[1:57] Speaker 1: help but carry, and the kind you choose to build on.
[2:05] Speaker 3: Taking a Walk.
[2:06] Speaker 1: Amy and Tina, thank you for being on Taking a Walk.
[2:09] Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you on.
[2:11] Speaker 4: Thank you for having us.
[2:13] Speaker 1: So you two first met as kids on the road
[2:17] Speaker 1: with your dads.
[2:19] Speaker 2: What was your earliest actual connection?
[2:22] Speaker 1: Memory of each other before either of you knew that
[2:25] Speaker 1: this duo would happen?
[2:28] Speaker 5: Well, that's kind of funny because we played a lot
[2:31] Speaker 5: when we were little kids, but we don't really have
[2:34] Speaker 5: any memories of being that little and playing together. So really,
[2:37] Speaker 5: it was when we reunited back, I don't know what,
[2:43] Speaker 5: I don't.
[2:44] Speaker 4: Know how long ago that was. That you've been maybe 2014?
[2:46] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[2:49] Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe is that, and then it was like, no
[2:51] Speaker 4: time has passed and. Oh no, it was 2013.
[2:54] Speaker 2: It was 2013. Okay.
[2:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:56] Speaker 6: So like no, no childhood memories. We knew that we,
[3:00] Speaker 6: you know, played and we're friends and we were little,
[3:02] Speaker 6: but then when we saw each other as adults, it
[3:04] Speaker 6: was just like, you know, running towards each other, like, Oh, crying.
[3:10] Speaker 6: You know, it was, it was, it was pretty emotional.
[3:12] Speaker 6: It was, um, It was pretty wonderful.
[3:16] Speaker 4: Yep, still is.
[3:17] Speaker 2: Finishing each other's sentences, that type of thing?
[3:22] Speaker 4: Probably, yeah. We might do that today. I might need
[3:25] Speaker 4: help finishing my sentences today.
[3:27] Speaker 2: I don't think so.
[3:31] Speaker 1: Willie and Leon, they performed together for years, going back
[3:34] Speaker 1: to One for the Road, which before you came on,
[3:38] Speaker 1: I was telling Tina that I certainly, for one, wore
[3:42] Speaker 1: the grooves off of that one. did growing up around
[3:46] Speaker 1: that friendship make forming Alien Rose feel inevitable ultimately? Or
[3:53] Speaker 1: did you just kind of resist the legacy sort of act.
[3:57] Speaker 2: Label at first?
[3:59] Speaker 4: I'd like to start with that.
[4:00] Speaker 6: I don't feel like it's anything that was resisted or,
[4:05] Speaker 6: you know, like something we tried to avoid. We just,
[4:08] Speaker 6: I don't know, it just happened organically.
[4:10] Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of came out of like therapeutic need
[4:13] Speaker 5: to write with each other to get through hard times.
[4:17] Speaker 4: For sure.
[4:18] Speaker 5: But yeah, initially I resisted getting into music because it didn't,
[4:23] Speaker 5: it just felt like so much pressure and like, you know,
[4:27] Speaker 5: but I've, I've been doing music and other projects for
[4:30] Speaker 5: a long time now, but it was hard for me
[4:33] Speaker 5: to get into just because I felt like I was
[4:38] Speaker 5: maybe not maybe just out of ideas, and I didn't
[4:43] Speaker 5: really totally trust myself that I was supposed to do
[4:46] Speaker 5: music for a long time.
[4:48] Speaker 1: What pushes you over the edge, though, in gaining that
[4:51] Speaker 1: confidence and trust in yourself?
[4:54] Speaker 5: I think it was the fear. The fact that I
[4:56] Speaker 5: feared it, and it wasn't any kind of death. It
[4:59] Speaker 5: was more like I just started to think, if I'm
[5:02] Speaker 5: fearing this, then it means I'm thinking about it, and
[5:05] Speaker 5: if I'm thinking about it, it means I'm supposed to
[5:07] Speaker 5: do it. And it's not dangerous. It's just maybe it
[5:12] Speaker 5: might be embarrassing if I'm no good. But I had
[5:18] Speaker 5: a hunch that I had something to say and that
[5:21] Speaker 5: I wanted to. And also, I felt like I wanted
[5:25] Speaker 5: to be able to have a voice to talk about
[5:28] Speaker 5: things that I care about on the world stage. And
[5:32] Speaker 5: I could see how my dad has made so much
[5:37] Speaker 5: impact with his voice. And I wanted to be able
[5:40] Speaker 5: to do that in my own way too. Or just
[5:45] Speaker 5: get dad to sing stuff, which I also like to do.
[5:50] Speaker 2: And how about you, Tina?
[5:52] Speaker 6: Well, I didn't know I had a choice, honestly. I
[5:57] Speaker 6: did not know that I had a choice to do
[6:00] Speaker 6: anything other than that until I moved out and was
[6:06] Speaker 6: living on my own.
[6:08] Speaker 4: And, uh, you know, I had to eat. So it's like, oh, okay, well, I'll,
[6:16] Speaker 4: I'll try, I'll try something else other, other than, you know, music.
[6:21] Speaker 6: But I, I genuinely, I did, I did not, um,
[6:25] Speaker 6: really realize that I had a choice. I just thought that's,
[6:27] Speaker 6: that's what my future was. And that's what I was
[6:30] Speaker 6: planning on doing. And, um, you know, it can be
[6:35] Speaker 6: kind of a shocker when you're a, young adult in
[6:39] Speaker 6: your life kind of takes different paths and you're like,
[6:42] Speaker 6: wait a minute, I'm, but I'm supposed to be doing
[6:44] Speaker 6: this right now. You know, I should have my, my
[6:48] Speaker 6: album out by now. That's something I've talked about before.
[6:50] Speaker 6: Like when I turned 21 and I was like, oh
[6:52] Speaker 6: my gosh, I don't have a.
[6:54] Speaker 4: Record out and I'm 21 years old. I don't, I
[6:57] Speaker 4: don't know where that number came from.
[6:58] Speaker 6: Maybe my siblings, but it was just like, you know,
[7:01] Speaker 6: you got to get your record out by the time
[7:03] Speaker 6: you're 21, you know? But no matter what I've done,
[7:07] Speaker 6: different avenues I've gone down, music is always there. I mean,
[7:14] Speaker 6: it's just a constant and not so much.
[7:17] Speaker 4: I think it's just a part of who we are,
[7:21] Speaker 4: you know?
[7:22] Speaker 6: I mean, a lot of musicians, but especially when you
[7:26] Speaker 6: grow up and you're surrounded, I mean, it's just a
[7:30] Speaker 6: part of your life.
[7:32] Speaker 4: It's just in the fabric of... of who you are.
[7:36] Speaker 4: So it helps you kind of.
[7:38] Speaker 6: Through a lot of things, just like we were talking
[7:41] Speaker 6: about when we were having some heavy conversations and that
[7:45] Speaker 6: kind of led us down the road of this project,
[7:50] Speaker 6: but it's just music is all always there.
[7:54] Speaker 2: Let's talk about there, there.
[7:57] Speaker 1: Walk me through what it was like having, you know,
[8:01] Speaker 1: Willie and Leon's, memory there uh the actual willie's actual
[8:06] Speaker 1: voice all living inside one song uh did that ever
[8:11] Speaker 1: feel like pressure or did that feel like.
[8:13] Speaker 6: Home home i felt like home yeah yes it um
[8:20] Speaker 6: is it really emotional i mean even sometimes now we'll
[8:24] Speaker 6: you know be talking about it or read an article
[8:28] Speaker 6: or somebody has something to say about it and it's
[8:30] Speaker 6: you know they may touch on something that we really
[8:32] Speaker 6: resonate with and it can be really emotionally overwhelming you
[8:37] Speaker 6: know that that we have that experience and that it's
[8:40] Speaker 6: something that we can go back to and listen to
[8:43] Speaker 6: you know I've said to Amy I mean having her
[8:47] Speaker 6: dad on there is.
[8:48] Speaker 4: Just so cool and I'm just like man that is
[8:51] Speaker 4: just so cool. It's just like, you're so lucky.
[8:54] Speaker 6: You know, I'm like, man, I, you know, I wish,
[8:56] Speaker 6: I wish that we had this with, with my dad
[8:59] Speaker 6: on it, but honestly, I feel like we listened to your,
[9:02] Speaker 6: I think he is on it.
[9:03] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[9:04] Speaker 6: We, we listened to your episode with Ziggy and he
[9:06] Speaker 6: was talking about, you know, it being his first collab
[9:10] Speaker 6: with his dad. And I, I feel that way because
[9:13] Speaker 6: when Willie wrote the bridge, it.
[9:17] Speaker 4: Was like, I gotta try to not cuss. I'm sorry.
[9:21] Speaker 6: So sometimes I was like, Oh crap. I, you know,
[9:25] Speaker 6: like I've got to write the melody to this.
[9:27] Speaker 4: And I was really, you know.
[9:30] Speaker 6: Struggling with it. And, um, Amy had kind of helped
[9:36] Speaker 6: me out with a friend of hers. I don't want
[9:38] Speaker 6: to get too deep into that, but.
[9:41] Speaker 5: Um, I don't know.
[9:42] Speaker 4: Can I, can I Amy get in?
[9:43] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
[9:45] Speaker 4: Um, a friend of hers and, um, She was a,
[9:50] Speaker 4: I mean, what was it? Patina? Yeah, yeah.
[9:53] Speaker 5: Yeah, she's by a very clairvoyant, psychic medium, magical angel person.
[10:00] Speaker 4: Yeah. She was wonderful.
[10:03] Speaker 6: But, um, I, I talked to her cause I was
[10:05] Speaker 6: just really struggling when, you know, through some things and, um,
[10:10] Speaker 6: Amy didn't tell her really anything about me other than
[10:13] Speaker 6: my name.
[10:15] Speaker 4: She said, uh, sorry. Sorry.
[10:20] Speaker 6: Um, she said, well, I, Amy told her, you know,
[10:25] Speaker 6: Tina's really like kind of wanting to reach out to
[10:27] Speaker 6: her dad. And, um, she had said, well, your dad's,
[10:30] Speaker 6: he's sitting on your left side and he, he wants
[10:33] Speaker 6: to tell you. And like, she knew nothing about me.
[10:36] Speaker 6: So that this is what was so mind blowing about
[10:39] Speaker 6: the thing was, you know, she said, your dad's sitting
[10:43] Speaker 6: on your left side and he's saying, Duncan, that's what,
[10:47] Speaker 6: you know, that's what my parents call me. you really
[10:51] Speaker 6: got to finish your songs. You got to finish your songs.
[10:54] Speaker 4: Just do it. You know, I'll help you if you
[10:57] Speaker 4: need to, but you got to just get it done.
[11:00] Speaker 6: And she told me that. And I was just like,
[11:02] Speaker 6: so blown away. She's like, is any of this like
[11:05] Speaker 6: making sense? And I was like, no, I was so
[11:09] Speaker 6: freaked out. She, you know, she said all this stuff
[11:11] Speaker 6: and it was totally making sense, but I was just
[11:14] Speaker 6: so just caught off guard by it.
[11:17] Speaker 4: I was just like, Hmm, I don't, you know, I just,
[11:20] Speaker 4: I didn't even know what to say. I was speechless.
[11:23] Speaker 6: But then after that, I, I remembered that it's like, okay,
[11:28] Speaker 6: Willie came, you know, wrote the lyrics to the, to the, um, bridge.
[11:34] Speaker 6: And then I, I remembered that what she said. And
[11:37] Speaker 6: then it just like, I was like, all right, like,
[11:40] Speaker 6: let's do it. And then it just came. The melody
[11:44] Speaker 6: just came. And I was so excited. You know, because
[11:47] Speaker 6: I struggle with songwriting sometimes. I get tripped up on,
[11:51] Speaker 6: you know, is this good enough? Or I'm not, you know,
[11:53] Speaker 6: saying exactly what I want to say. I'm not expressing
[11:56] Speaker 6: these emotions well enough. You know, some people really have
[12:00] Speaker 6: a beautiful gift. And Amy, too, is just such a
[12:03] Speaker 6: beautiful songwriter. And my dad, of course.
[12:07] Speaker 5: You have an amazing gift. Like I took the bridge
[12:10] Speaker 5: to you because I couldn't figure out how to do it.
[12:14] Speaker 6: Well, and, you know, and I did it and I
[12:16] Speaker 6: was like, this is all right, this is going to work.
[12:19] Speaker 6: And I really feel like I had my dad's help
[12:24] Speaker 6: in that.
[12:25] Speaker 4: And so, yeah, I definitely feel that that we both
[12:29] Speaker 4: have our dads on there. So it's it's a it's
[12:31] Speaker 4: a really special it's a special thing for us.
[12:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[12:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[12:38] Speaker 5: We, on our press release, we said it was sort
[12:42] Speaker 5: of like a dedication to my brother, who I wrote
[12:47] Speaker 5: the first verse about, and Tina Rose's dad, who she
[12:51] Speaker 5: wrote the second verse about.
[12:52] Speaker 4: But I thought about it, and really.
[12:55] Speaker 5: It's dedicated to anyone who's ever lost anyone and anyone
[12:59] Speaker 5: who's ever thought to have been lost.
[13:02] Speaker 4: For sure.
[13:03] Speaker 2: It's so beautiful. I mean, I knew.
[13:08] Speaker 1: when I read your notes that you guys wrote to
[13:10] Speaker 1: me that at some point I was going to be
[13:13] Speaker 1: tabbing tears away. I didn't know it would only be
[13:15] Speaker 1: 10 minutes into the interview, but I'm so grateful for
[13:19] Speaker 1: you sharing, sharing those moments and that feeling and how
[13:23] Speaker 1: special that creative, you know, processes and, and, and what it,
[13:28] Speaker 1: what it really means. And so I would say to
[13:33] Speaker 1: both of you, was there a moment in the studio that,
[13:37] Speaker 1: You both saw your dads differently, you know, not as
[13:43] Speaker 1: just a dad, but as a collaborator.
[13:48] Speaker 4: What do you mean in the studio? Like working with
[13:51] Speaker 4: our dads?
[13:52] Speaker 2: Exactly. At that moment that you just described, yeah.
[13:56] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[13:56] Speaker 6: I mean, I don't want to speak for you, Amy,
[13:59] Speaker 6: but I feel like.
[14:02] Speaker 4: You probably feel the same as I do. But, I mean...
[14:07] Speaker 4: Dad is the music. Music is dad. I mean, that's
[14:10] Speaker 4: just a part of.
[14:11] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[14:12] Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
[14:13] Speaker 6: I mean, even like people ask him and I say, oh,
[14:16] Speaker 6: you know, he was just dad. But still, that was
[14:19] Speaker 6: such a huge part that was always there.
[14:24] Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? I mean, what about you?
[14:27] Speaker 5: And we got up on stage with our dads when
[14:28] Speaker 5: we were kids, but I never felt like a collaborator, really.
[14:31] Speaker 4: I just felt like.
[14:33] Speaker 5: I feel like it's an honor to get to collaborate
[14:36] Speaker 5: with my dad.
[14:37] Speaker 4: I just think he's the best.
[14:39] Speaker 5: And I think anybody who, I don't know, most people
[14:42] Speaker 5: who I've ever, I don't.
[14:46] Speaker 4: Know how to explain this, but like, I.
[14:48] Speaker 5: Think that most people who are really great musicians don't
[14:53] Speaker 5: really think of themselves as great musicians.
[14:56] Speaker 4: And usually the person who's like, oh my God, listen
[14:58] Speaker 4: to my demo. I'm amazing. Usually it's not that amazing. Yeah.
[15:04] Speaker 4: So I don't know. I just feel like.
[15:06] Speaker 5: I think everybody has a little bit of that.
[15:13] Speaker 4: Imposter syndrome. I mean, I don't know.
[15:15] Speaker 5: You might not, Tina Rose, but I do sometimes. So
[15:18] Speaker 5: I'm always kind of amazed when dad wants to collaborate
[15:20] Speaker 5: with me or when he says yes.
[15:22] Speaker 4: Yeah. I do.
[15:26] Speaker 6: I definitely feel... the imposter syndrome syndrome when it comes to, um,
[15:33] Speaker 6: my lyrics. Cause I, I mean, I'm just such a
[15:37] Speaker 6: huge fan of lyrics. I just, I love lyrics. I
[15:41] Speaker 6: just wish I was better at that. But as far as,
[15:44] Speaker 6: you know, collaborating with my dad, um, I mean, that,
[15:48] Speaker 6: that was one thing that I really loved and appreciated
[15:51] Speaker 6: was he just loved what I did.
[15:57] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, he loved it.
[16:00] Speaker 6: I feel like my dad was my biggest fan, you know? Like,
[16:04] Speaker 6: it was just so great. We'd be in the studio.
[16:07] Speaker 6: I mean, even, you know, me as a kid at age,
[16:10] Speaker 6: you know, 14 years old singing and, well, I want
[16:13] Speaker 6: to try this.
[16:13] Speaker 4: I want to try this, you know?
[16:15] Speaker 1: And.
[16:16] Speaker 4: the engineers or whoever be like, well, that doesn't quite
[16:19] Speaker 4: make sense or that's well, it needs to be, you know,
[16:21] Speaker 4: and my dad would be like, well, why don't you
[16:24] Speaker 4: just do what she asked you to do, what she
[16:26] Speaker 4: asked you to do, you know?
[16:28] Speaker 6: And, uh, it always just made me feel so good.
[16:33] Speaker 6: You know, it was, it just really made me feel great.
[16:36] Speaker 6: And it, it, um, I think that made me value
[16:41] Speaker 6: myself as far as, you know, my vocals and my ability.
[16:46] Speaker 4: And things like that. Ditto on all that.
[16:50] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[16:52] Speaker 1: Let's talk about the song My Father's Daughter. What film
[16:57] Speaker 1: was that written for?
[16:58] Speaker 4: That was.
[17:01] Speaker 5: Eddie Vedder wrote that for the movie Flag Day and
[17:07] Speaker 5: had his daughter Olivia sing it.
[17:11] Speaker 4: And I just was... watched it.
[17:15] Speaker 5: I don't, I don't know how I came across that
[17:16] Speaker 5: song actually, but I think I watched the movie because
[17:21] Speaker 5: of the song.
[17:22] Speaker 1: Yes.
[17:23] Speaker 5: But I don't know how we found it, but it
[17:25] Speaker 5: was just something where maybe the algorithm or something, but
[17:30] Speaker 5: it was, it was just resonated with us as soon
[17:33] Speaker 5: as we heard it and, and just cried and And
[17:40] Speaker 5: it resonated with our co-producer, Matt Hubbard, when I played
[17:45] Speaker 5: it for him. He was crying. It was just, I
[17:49] Speaker 5: don't know, that song. You don't have to be a
[17:52] Speaker 5: daughter to feel it.
[17:53] Speaker 4: I know that. For sure.
[17:56] Speaker 1: Was there a moment recording it, though, when the lyrics
[17:59] Speaker 1: truly stopped being Eddie Vedder's and started really owning it
[18:05] Speaker 1: and shaping it?
[18:06] Speaker 2: In both your ways.
[18:08] Speaker 4: Yes.
[18:10] Speaker 6: I'm, um, I mean, much love to Eddie. He wrote
[18:14] Speaker 6: the song. It's fantastic. But I mean, I'm like singing
[18:17] Speaker 6: that song. That song was mine, you know, like being
[18:21] Speaker 6: in this, like it's, so I guess, you know, from
[18:25] Speaker 6: the moment I started singing it from when we started
[18:28] Speaker 6: singing it, it was, you.
[18:29] Speaker 5: Know, And that's a mark of a great song when
[18:32] Speaker 5: people can relate to it and feel on their own
[18:34] Speaker 5: terms and make it... I mean, it wasn't about a
[18:37] Speaker 5: celebrity dad. It was about a dad who was working
[18:41] Speaker 5: in criminal enterprises. But there's some similarities there.
[18:49] Speaker 6: But yeah, we watched it together. I was like, we
[18:53] Speaker 6: need to watch... this movie is to check it out.
[18:57] Speaker 6: Cause we had, you know what I mean? I mean,
[18:58] Speaker 6: the song was just so, um, meaningful to us, but
[19:02] Speaker 6: we were like, we, we need to watch it and
[19:04] Speaker 6: see what's, what's going on.
[19:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[19:07] Speaker 4: It was a good movie too. It was great.
[19:10] Speaker 1: The other one I want to talk about is in,
[19:12] Speaker 1: in the news and specifically Chris Christopherson. So first of all,
[19:17] Speaker 1: what was it like actually growing up around that amazing
[19:22] Speaker 1: Chris Christopherson?
[19:24] Speaker 5: He was so great with kids. Like he was one
[19:27] Speaker 5: of those grownups who could see you.
[19:31] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[19:31] Speaker 5: Like you could be, there was a lot of grownups
[19:33] Speaker 5: around and I was really close with his kids.
[19:38] Speaker 4: And so, but yeah, like.
[19:40] Speaker 5: We were just, we were all kind of like, there
[19:42] Speaker 5: were times where all, we all kind of lived in
[19:44] Speaker 5: the same house together somehow.
[19:47] Speaker 4: Like there was just a lot of the.
[19:50] Speaker 5: Was, we were just very, our families were very close. Um,
[19:53] Speaker 5: and he, but it was a lot of adults and
[19:57] Speaker 5: not a lot of times when you're a kid and
[19:59] Speaker 5: you're in a room full of adults, you're just invisible.
[20:02] Speaker 5: but Chris would see you and like, you could say
[20:06] Speaker 5: something and you make a joke and like, I could
[20:10] Speaker 5: make a joke and he would say it again and
[20:13] Speaker 5: like put a spotlight on me. And like, just like,
[20:16] Speaker 5: he was just very, he was, he was just one
[20:20] Speaker 5: of the coolest grownups in the world. Like he just,
[20:23] Speaker 5: he could just see you and he was so humble
[20:27] Speaker 5: and just so like, I mean, I remember him, um,
[20:32] Speaker 5: watching my brother Micah's band plays standing side stage and
[20:36] Speaker 5: he was just beaming with joy and telling him like
[20:41] Speaker 5: you're like the Beatles like he was just like he
[20:43] Speaker 5: was just very he was just always so supportive and
[20:47] Speaker 5: humble and I don't think he had any idea how
[20:50] Speaker 5: amazing he really was or is he's still around for.
[20:55] Speaker 1: Sure do you recall the first time hearing his music.
[21:02] Speaker 5: Um, no, cause I just, it was just always like,
[21:05] Speaker 5: I mean, I was baby. Like my, my mom, um,
[21:09] Speaker 5: met Rita on stage and they were both pregnant. She
[21:14] Speaker 5: was pregnant with Casey and my mom was pregnant with
[21:17] Speaker 5: me at the, at the first 4th of July picnic.
[21:21] Speaker 5: So I don't know how long, I don't know how
[21:24] Speaker 5: long they had, um, known Chris before that, but, uh,
[21:29] Speaker 5: but yeah, so my whole life it was my whole life.
[21:32] Speaker 5: So I don't, I can't really, it's kind of like
[21:34] Speaker 5: the same with Tina Rose. I don't, I don't remember
[21:37] Speaker 5: the early as much of the early childhood. Well, I
[21:40] Speaker 5: do remember early childhood playing with those kids with Casey and,
[21:45] Speaker 5: you know, Chris, you know, but yeah, it was, there
[21:50] Speaker 5: was just a, it was just like a big music family.
[21:54] Speaker 4: It still is really.
[21:55] Speaker 5: It's just, we're kind of just a big music family
[21:59] Speaker 5: and we're all, cousins somehow.
[22:03] Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a
[22:05] Speaker 3: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast.
[22:15] Speaker 1: Out of the whole album's worth of songs, why do
[22:19] Speaker 1: you think that the news pulled you in specifically?
[22:24] Speaker 5: Oh, because I just always thought that was the most
[22:28] Speaker 5: beautiful song chiming in or like imagining what God would
[22:36] Speaker 5: tell us about war and.
[22:40] Speaker 4: And how, just how timeless that is.
[22:43] Speaker 5: Like it was just, um, yeah, it's basically just Chris
[22:47] Speaker 5: reading through the newspaper or watching the news and, and noting,
[22:54] Speaker 5: you know, I think it, uh, it was around the
[22:56] Speaker 5: time of the Lacey Peterson murder trial. Um, And so
[23:01] Speaker 5: I think that's the first verse that goes into that.
[23:04] Speaker 5: And like, but it's, so it's sort of, I mean,
[23:08] Speaker 5: I guess it's sort of timeless in that regard too. But,
[23:12] Speaker 5: and the fact that it's speaking out for women who
[23:17] Speaker 5: are marginalized to the utmost degree. And, but also just
[23:23] Speaker 5: the way that it speaks to, like, there's just no
[23:26] Speaker 5: arguing with that song.
[23:28] Speaker 4: There's just no arguing with it. God, not in my name. Yes.
[23:33] Speaker 5: I want nothing but the ending of the war. No
[23:36] Speaker 5: more kill until it's over and the mystery won't matter anymore. So, yeah,
[23:42] Speaker 5: his version is really amazing. Our version isn't out yet.
[23:47] Speaker 5: And the same with my father's daughter is not out
[23:51] Speaker 5: quite yet either. But I would encourage all of your
[23:54] Speaker 5: listeners to listen to the original versions of those because
[23:56] Speaker 5: they're fantastic.
[23:59] Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that those will be out moving
[24:03] Speaker 1: forward so everybody can look forward to those pieces of work,
[24:09] Speaker 1: among other pieces.
[24:10] Speaker 5: I appreciate you having faith that we're going to put
[24:13] Speaker 5: it out and talking to us about it.
[24:15] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm convinced there's not even a doubt. There's complete certainty.
[24:22] Speaker 2: For sure.
[24:24] Speaker 1: Grassroots leadership. Your first ever concert. being a benefit says
[24:30] Speaker 1: something really about both of your values from the start.
[24:35] Speaker 1: How did that connection come about?
[24:41] Speaker 5: I'm good friends with Tara Trudell. She's another one of
[24:45] Speaker 5: our soul sisters, John Trudell's daughter.
[24:47] Speaker 4: And she.
[24:51] Speaker 5: Lives in New Mexico, but she said she was going
[24:55] Speaker 5: to you know, planned for her to come to town.
[24:57] Speaker 5: And she said the perfect time for her to come
[24:58] Speaker 5: to town was, you know, this is back in like,
[25:04] Speaker 5: this is back when Obama was president. So like maybe
[25:06] Speaker 5: 2014 or 2015. And she said that she was doing,
[25:12] Speaker 5: there was this event, a march in Dilley, Texas with,
[25:17] Speaker 5: that was being planned by grassroots leadership and that she
[25:22] Speaker 5: wanted to volunteer for it. So, she came into town
[25:25] Speaker 5: and stayed with me for about a week and we
[25:27] Speaker 5: went and we volunteered and we went over to grassroots
[25:31] Speaker 5: leadership headquarters, which is here in Austin. And we made
[25:34] Speaker 5: signs and just all the people that we met were
[25:37] Speaker 5: just so beautiful. And, and there were, you know, their
[25:41] Speaker 5: whole thing is about, um, against mass incarceration and, you know, and, um,
[25:48] Speaker 5: supporting immigrant families and, And we found out, I found
[25:53] Speaker 5: out during that time when we did the march, I
[25:56] Speaker 5: had no idea that there were children being held and
[25:58] Speaker 5: growing up in prison with their mothers. And so we
[26:03] Speaker 5: marched outside of this, this detention center, this family prison.
[26:07] Speaker 4: In Dilley, Texas.
[26:10] Speaker 5: And it was like, it was like 105 degrees and cold.
[26:15] Speaker 5: I was getting chills cause they were just, there was
[26:17] Speaker 5: so much love. They, the, the march that they arranged
[26:20] Speaker 5: was so beautiful. It was so peaceful, but there were
[26:23] Speaker 5: people on crutches marching and like, um, people who had
[26:28] Speaker 5: fallen off of the death train, which is like this
[26:30] Speaker 5: train that they, um, somehow comes from South America that they, um,
[26:38] Speaker 5: that people have fallen, like, you know, tried to try
[26:41] Speaker 5: to get here by jumping on top of and losing limbs.
[26:44] Speaker 5: And like, there was just like, And so those people
[26:47] Speaker 5: were marching. Like, it was just powerful and beautiful. And
[26:52] Speaker 5: it made me want to keep doing stuff with grassroots leadership.
[26:56] Speaker 5: But then, you know, that was before the family separation
[26:59] Speaker 5: started happening. So I thought that was as bad as
[27:01] Speaker 5: it could get.
[27:01] Speaker 4: You know.
[27:04] Speaker 5: But now that there's little kids, like, in prison taking
[27:07] Speaker 5: care of each other alone and, you know, like, it's
[27:10] Speaker 5: just something that I can't get off my mind.
[27:13] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[27:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[27:14] Speaker 5: And and they can't either. And they go they do things.
[27:17] Speaker 5: And there's also like a detention center that's like 20
[27:22] Speaker 5: minutes north of Austin. And so I've gone and done
[27:25] Speaker 5: some marches there with them, too. And and they will
[27:29] Speaker 5: go and help the women out of those like pay
[27:31] Speaker 5: the bonds and. get them legal help and get the
[27:35] Speaker 5: women out of prison and then take them down to
[27:38] Speaker 5: the children's prison to sit them in front with signs saying,
[27:42] Speaker 5: give me my kid back. And they've been able to
[27:44] Speaker 5: reunite a lot of families that way. So I just
[27:47] Speaker 5: love everything they do. And so we decided that our
[27:50] Speaker 5: first gig should be a benefit for grassroots leadership.
[27:54] Speaker 4: And it was wonderful. It was, it was really great.
[27:56] Speaker 4: I loved being there. Me too. Clearly a safe place.
[28:02] Speaker 4: space for a lot of people. And I love getting
[28:05] Speaker 4: to be a part of that. Yeah, they're our neighbors.
[28:09] Speaker 4: We gotta love them. They're beautiful, beautiful humans.
[28:14] Speaker 2: We also produce this other podcast. It's called Music Save Me.
[28:19] Speaker 1: And it showcases really the healing power of music from
[28:27] Speaker 1: a lot of different perspectives. Do you both believe that
[28:31] Speaker 1: Music is therapeutic and has healing power?
[28:35] Speaker 4: Without a doubt. Yeah.
[28:38] Speaker 5: My dad taught me that music is the best way to,
[28:41] Speaker 5: it's the fastest way for anything to get straight to
[28:45] Speaker 5: your soul. It goes straight to your chakras. Nothing else
[28:49] Speaker 5: can move to your soul faster than music.
[28:52] Speaker 2: Where would we be without it, right?
[28:55] Speaker 4: It wouldn't exist.
[28:57] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[28:58] Speaker 4: In the first place. Yeah. And it's, yeah, music is everywhere.
[29:02] Speaker 4: I mean, there's nature has beautiful music. I wanted to
[29:08] Speaker 4: add something.
[29:09] Speaker 6: And since you're, you're, um, since you brought up that topic, um, and.
[29:14] Speaker 6: Ziggy's episode. I'm going to keep going back.
[29:17] Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
[29:17] Speaker 4: I wanted to go back to it too.
[29:19] Speaker 6: I mean, we, you know, I was thinking, Oh, what,
[29:22] Speaker 6: what are we going to talk about? We were trying
[29:24] Speaker 6: to think, what are we going to talk about? And
[29:26] Speaker 6: we're like, we need to listen to an episode. So
[29:28] Speaker 6: we were going through and we decided that's the, you know,
[29:33] Speaker 6: the first.
[29:34] Speaker 4: One we were going to listen to.
[29:36] Speaker 6: And within the first few minutes I was shocked. like,
[29:41] Speaker 6: oh my gosh, this is, this is the episode. This is,
[29:44] Speaker 6: you know, this is like divine intervention here. And I
[29:48] Speaker 6: called Amy and I said, this is going to be
[29:52] Speaker 6: so good. The things that Ziggy is talking about, you know,
[29:56] Speaker 6: recording this album and it being a healing for him and,
[30:02] Speaker 6: you know, him making choices based on what he felt
[30:06] Speaker 6: was right and what was healing instead of like, oh,
[30:09] Speaker 6: what do people want to hear? And he talked about
[30:12] Speaker 6: so many different things that we could relate to, that
[30:19] Speaker 6: I could relate to. I mean, it was when I
[30:22] Speaker 6: was done with the episode, I was sobbing.
[30:25] Speaker 4: I mean, like, couldn't even talk. My partner came in
[30:30] Speaker 4: the kitchen. He was like, babe, are you okay? And
[30:32] Speaker 4: I was like, I'm okay.
[30:36] Speaker 6: You know, and I messaged Amy. I said, you have
[30:39] Speaker 6: to listen to this. And then after she listened to it,
[30:41] Speaker 6: she called me. We're just like FaceTiming, you know, red
[30:44] Speaker 6: wet faces. Couldn't even talk. I mean, it was just
[30:48] Speaker 6: so wonderful, you know, and it's everyone has something going on.
[30:57] Speaker 6: You know, there's the appearance, how things look, how things
[31:01] Speaker 6: really are, how people, what people's experience is individually. And then,
[31:07] Speaker 6: you know, there's the inner stuff that happens that nobody
[31:10] Speaker 6: knows about. Him talking about music being healing. I mean,
[31:15] Speaker 6: it was just so on point. Even right now, like
[31:20] Speaker 6: with our project. I mean, you know, people have things
[31:24] Speaker 6: going on. you know, people think they, they know, you know,
[31:28] Speaker 6: who somebody is or what somebody's life experiences or whatever.
[31:32] Speaker 6: And that's, that's not, um, you know, it's not, it's
[31:36] Speaker 6: not always, uh, accurate, but, um, aside from all that,
[31:43] Speaker 6: we still reconnect with the music.
[31:47] Speaker 4: We have that in common.
[31:50] Speaker 6: And I think just humanity as a whole has that
[31:52] Speaker 6: in common.
[31:54] Speaker 1: I went to see Ziggy a couple of weeks ago
[31:57] Speaker 1: out in Tanglewood. It was one scene that really just
[32:03] Speaker 1: said everything. Right up in the front, I could see
[32:07] Speaker 1: this woman with white hair. Honestly, she must have been
[32:11] Speaker 1: 85 years old. And she was in constant motion, just
[32:17] Speaker 1: like Ziggy and the band were in constant motion through
[32:21] Speaker 1: the whole show. And with a big smile on her face.
[32:25] Speaker 2: I didn't know.
[32:26] Speaker 1: Who she was, but just like all of us, I
[32:29] Speaker 1: knew she forgot her troubles at that moment.
[32:33] Speaker 2: She was in a moment that was.
[32:35] Speaker 1: Special, and that typifies certainly what music gives to us
[32:40] Speaker 1: when you see that in motion.
[32:42] Speaker 4: Yes, for sure.
[32:44] Speaker 5: I'm really inspired to tune to 432 hertz, too. After
[32:50] Speaker 5: listening to Ziggy's, and even actually before listening to that interview,
[32:54] Speaker 5: because I had actually stumbled upon 432 Hertz when I
[32:59] Speaker 5: was playing with my band at this haunted, with my
[33:02] Speaker 5: band Folk Uke at this haunted hotel. And it was
[33:06] Speaker 5: right before the gig. Right before the show, we tuned
[33:09] Speaker 5: up and I start to play and I'm completely on
[33:12] Speaker 5: a different tune than her because I had accidentally switched
[33:17] Speaker 5: a switch on my tuner and it tuned me to
[33:19] Speaker 5: a whole different frequency.
[33:21] Speaker 4: But now I think, well, maybe that wasn't so much
[33:23] Speaker 4: of an accident.
[33:24] Speaker 5: So I learned a little bit more about it over
[33:26] Speaker 5: the years and I'd heard about how 432 was such
[33:30] Speaker 5: a healing frequency before. And there's even like a video
[33:33] Speaker 5: out where this woman was chiming this bell at a
[33:36] Speaker 5: 432 frequency and this whale surfaces and lets her pet
[33:41] Speaker 5: him and stuff.
[33:42] Speaker 4: I didn't even realize that's what that was. See, I
[33:45] Speaker 4: need to pay better attention. I love the video, but
[33:47] Speaker 4: I didn't realize that that's what that was. That's fantastic. Yeah.
[33:50] Speaker 5: So it makes me want to like, I always forget
[33:52] Speaker 5: before recording to tune to 432, but I want to
[33:55] Speaker 5: get someone to tune my piano 432.
[33:58] Speaker 4: Like, why not?
[33:59] Speaker 5: Like, why don't we explore that? Cause apparently there's a
[34:02] Speaker 5: story about like why they uniformly switched to 440 and
[34:06] Speaker 5: there's a, I don't know how, I don't know what's
[34:09] Speaker 5: what about it, but I know there's a lot, you know,
[34:12] Speaker 5: there's a lot I could say and I don't know
[34:14] Speaker 5: if it's legit, but like I, it's definitely worth, worth
[34:20] Speaker 5: looking into.
[34:21] Speaker 4: For sure.
[34:23] Speaker 1: So I have to close with the impossible question, the
[34:26] Speaker 1: dream walk question for the take on a walk podcast. If,
[34:30] Speaker 1: You could take a walk with someone living or dead.
[34:33] Speaker 1: Who would you take a walk with and where would
[34:36] Speaker 1: you take that walk?
[34:39] Speaker 4: Do you want to go first, Tina Rose? I do not,
[34:41] Speaker 4: but thank you for asking. Okay.
[34:44] Speaker 5: The first thing that came to my mind when I
[34:47] Speaker 5: was listening to Ziggy talking about your interview with him,
[34:50] Speaker 5: that was the first time I'd heard your show. And
[34:52] Speaker 5: so the first thing that I thought of was, I
[34:54] Speaker 5: want to take a walk with my dad. I miss him.
[34:56] Speaker 5: I don't get to see him enough. So, yeah, I
[34:59] Speaker 5: used to work with him on the road and I
[35:01] Speaker 5: would see him a lot. But even then, I didn't
[35:02] Speaker 5: really get to take a lot of walks with him
[35:04] Speaker 5: because he's so famous. People would stop him and stuff,
[35:06] Speaker 5: you know, like he would he would get out on
[35:08] Speaker 5: his bicycle and things like that. But dad, Aunt Bobby,
[35:13] Speaker 5: I'd love to take a walk with her. And, you know,
[35:17] Speaker 5: she's in heaven. But, you know, I feel like I
[35:21] Speaker 5: feel like we're supposed to pick someone dead because it's, you.
[35:26] Speaker 4: Know, I don't know.
[35:27] Speaker 2: There's no right or wrong answer, Amy.
[35:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
[35:31] Speaker 5: Well, like, I think I'd heard someone give an answer
[35:34] Speaker 5: to that. Like, if you could have dinner with anyone
[35:35] Speaker 5: living or dead and someone was, like, living.
[35:41] Speaker 4: So, yeah, dad.
[35:43] Speaker 2: Tina?
[35:46] Speaker 6: I would have to say the same, except it would
[35:49] Speaker 6: be more like, you know, me falling behind him in
[35:54] Speaker 6: his scooter. Zipping in and out of restaurants, trying to
[35:57] Speaker 6: find a good one in the road in the morning,
[36:01] Speaker 6: bright and early before everyone's up.
[36:02] Speaker 4: But I'd love to take a walk with my dad.
[36:04] Speaker 4: But I think.
[36:06] Speaker 6: In addition to that, I'd love to take a walk
[36:08] Speaker 6: with myself as a child, honestly. I really had to,
[36:13] Speaker 6: if I had to just choose.
[36:15] Speaker 4: One, it would be that.
[36:18] Speaker 6: There were a lot of just uncertainties. Growing up and
[36:27] Speaker 6: insecurities and lots of feelings as a kid. And knowing
[36:34] Speaker 6: myself and knowing, you know, exactly what I needed at
[36:38] Speaker 6: that time, I would go.
[36:42] Speaker 4: Back and talk to myself, you know.
[36:44] Speaker 6: I would actually, as a child, sit and pretend that
[36:50] Speaker 6: when I got older, I was going to come back,
[36:52] Speaker 6: come back and get me.
[36:54] Speaker 4: You know, that's possible too. Yeah. Yeah.
[37:00] Speaker 5: I love that answer. I'm changing my answer.
[37:05] Speaker 1: I have to tell you, uh, Amy and Tina, this
[37:07] Speaker 1: has just been an absolute joy. Uh, I hope you'll
[37:11] Speaker 1: consider coming back and coming back on the show.
[37:14] Speaker 4: We would love to feel.
[37:15] Speaker 1: Like we just scratched the surface, but I had a blast, uh,
[37:20] Speaker 1: Alien Rose is a powerhouse. You guys are amazing and beautiful.
[37:25] Speaker 1: I just can't thank you enough for being on Taking
[37:28] Speaker 1: a Walk.
[37:29] Speaker 4: Thank you so much. You're the best.
[37:30] Speaker 3: Thanks.
[37:33] Speaker 1: I'm Buzz Knight, and thanks for listening to the Taking
[37:36] Speaker 1: a Walk podcast. Now, please check out our companion podcasts
[37:40] Speaker 1: produced by Buzz Knight Media Productions with your host, Lynn Hoffman,
[37:44] Speaker 1: Music Save Me, showcasing the healing power of music, and
[37:48] Speaker 1: Comedy Save Me, shining a light on how laughter is
[37:52] Speaker 1: the best medicine. All shows are available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
[37:58] Speaker 1: and are part of the iHeart Podcast Network.

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