# The Single Smartest Case Against AI Doom

An episode of [Plain English with Derek Thompson](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1594471023), 25 Sep 2026, 1 h 01 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5689306875.mp3

With new breakthroughs in math and biology alongside reports of AI agents escaping and hacking systems, suffice it to say AI has had an interesting few weeks. How worried should we be about it all? Derek talks with researchers Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor, authors of the “AI as a Normal Technology” framework, about a simple question: Is AI actually just a normal technology? And if today’s AI is as powerful as it seems, why does the world still look so normal? Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Host: Derek Thompson Guests: Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor Producer: Devon Baroldi Additional Production Support: Ben Glicksman Visit uber.com/safety to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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