# Starting With Your Shoes: Winter Footwear & Dressing From The Floor Up

An episode of [Nothing To Wear](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1589394895), 29 Jul 2025, 25 min.

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Winter footwear got you stumped? This week, Leigh's joined by creative director Erin Kadwood, who's bringing her 15+ years of styling expertise to solve our seasonal shoe struggles once and for all. From navigating those tricky hemlines that never seem quite right to building a capsule footwear collection that actually earns its wardrobe space, Erin's got the answers. She explains why flipping your getting-ready routine and starting from the shoes up is a total game-changer, plus she lets us in on her genius tailoring hack that makes your trousers work seamlessly with both sneakers and heels—no more choosing between comfort and style, or committing to just one shoe height when you get pants hemmed. Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton visit www.fentonandfenton.com.au EVERYTHING MENTIONED: Leigh's Budget: Nine West Mailin Pumps $189.95 Erin's Budget: Raboesy Adjustable Strap Tabi Mary Janes $68 Leigh's Boujie: Mollini Kylie Cream Leather Loafers $199.95 Erin's Boujie: Dior J'Adoir Slingback Flat $1490 GET YOUR FASHION FIX: Watch us on Youtube Follow us on Instagram Want to shop the pod? Sign up to the Nothing To Wear Newsletter to see all the products mentioned plus more, delivered straight to your inbox after every episode. Feedback? We’re listening! Call the pod phone on 02 8999 9386 or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au CREDITS: Host: Leigh Campbell Guest: Erin Kadwood Producer: Ella Maitland Audio Producer: Tina Matolov Video Producer: Marlena Cacciotti Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:10] Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
[0:13] Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
[0:17] Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on.
[0:21] Speaker 1: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed.
[0:24] Speaker 3: Laurels for spraying groundbreaking?
[0:26] Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to do it.
[0:28] Speaker 4: You live for fashion.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
[0:33] Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe.
[0:36] Speaker 1: I'm Lely Campbellin every week, I chat.
[0:38] Speaker 2: To an expert who helps us work out how to
[0:40] Speaker 2: get more out of the clothes we already own and
[0:42] Speaker 2: tells us what is and.
[0:43] Speaker 1: Isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Today, I'm joined by
[0:46] Speaker 1: Aaron Cadwood.
[0:47] Speaker 2: She's a creative director with over fifteen years in the
[0:50] Speaker 2: fashion industry. She has styled shoots for GQ, curated fashion
[0:55] Speaker 2: shows in New.
[0:55] Speaker 1: York, and is now using all that knowledge.
[0:58] Speaker 2: To create luxury tailored suits for just us girls. Now
[1:02] Speaker 2: we're finally more than halfway through winter, and I'm so
[1:05] Speaker 2: happy because I hate winter shoes. I find them hard
[1:08] Speaker 2: to style. I don't know what him to wear. I
[1:11] Speaker 2: just want to slide. I want something open that is easy.
[1:13] Speaker 2: But we need to keep our feet warm, so Erin
[1:15] Speaker 2: and I are going to chat about what shoes we're
[1:17] Speaker 2: wearing in winter, what shoes make a great capsule collection
[1:21] Speaker 2: when it comes to footwear, and how long to make
[1:23] Speaker 2: your pants if you're getting them taken up so they
[1:24] Speaker 2: go with every single pair of shoes. Eron, Welcome to
[1:27] Speaker 2: Nothing to wear. Thank you for coming all the way here.
[1:31] Speaker 2: Now listen, I ask new guests two general questions before
[1:33] Speaker 2: we get into the topic, So let's start with those.
[1:36] Speaker 2: Can you describe your own style in three words? And
[1:39] Speaker 2: what are those words and why?
[1:40] Speaker 4: I'd probably say eclectic. I'd like to really pull references
[1:45] Speaker 4: from heaps of different places.
[1:47] Speaker 2: And put them all to everyone outfit and put them.
[1:51] Speaker 4: Or who I am that day. I would also say
[1:55] Speaker 4: self referential. For that reason, the outfit either speaks about
[1:58] Speaker 4: itself or I take my personal style very seriously, and
[2:02] Speaker 4: those things are really expressive of who I'm feeling that
[2:06] Speaker 4: day or what I need to be that day.
[2:08] Speaker 2: That is a really good term that yes, can apply
[2:12] Speaker 2: to so many things like that.
[2:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, I never had it and then tailored why it
[2:18] Speaker 4: would have to be right? It has to be. I
[2:20] Speaker 4: found out quite a few years ago that just tailored
[2:23] Speaker 4: pieces look really good on me. The structure everyone.
[2:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, tailoring just gives a vibe. It doesn't have to
[2:30] Speaker 2: be a tailored suit. You don't have to be going
[2:32] Speaker 2: to an office, but just good tailoring.
[2:34] Speaker 4: Yeah, even just like crisp collared shirt. That structure around
[2:39] Speaker 4: my face I think just really works instead of anything
[2:42] Speaker 4: too frillly.
[2:43] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not a frill that's maybe have a
[2:45] Speaker 2: fill on the bottom, you're right around the face.
[2:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, I love those all right.
[2:49] Speaker 2: The theory that we believe that most women wear a
[2:52] Speaker 2: smaller portion of their wardrobe. So there's the ninety percent
[2:54] Speaker 2: that you love but you don't reach for all the time.
[2:57] Speaker 2: The ten percent you reach for all the time. What's
[2:59] Speaker 2: in your ten percent or.
[3:01] Speaker 4: The day to day is like a long skirt and
[3:03] Speaker 4: a blazer, okay, And so I feel like that gives
[3:06] Speaker 4: me the core of getting everyone. And then I can
[3:10] Speaker 4: chuck on you know, snipes or boots or whatever.
[3:13] Speaker 2: So it's a versatile kind of bass layer.
[3:15] Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, it's always kind of like a long or
[3:18] Speaker 4: a three quartered skirt and.
[3:20] Speaker 1: You love a maxi skirt.
[3:22] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really loving them at the moment. And then yeah,
[3:25] Speaker 4: just always putting on a blazer. It can be vintage,
[3:28] Speaker 4: it can be a little over do you think you
[3:30] Speaker 4: have don't make me calm, I don't expose to I mean,
[3:34] Speaker 4: it's your vibe, it's your fe Sure, I think you know.
[3:37] Speaker 4: I've got a few of my personal collection, but now
[3:40] Speaker 4: I have access to so many all the time.
[3:42] Speaker 2: Well, it's dangerous and if people are watching on YouTube,
[3:46] Speaker 2: we did not both plan to wear checked blue.
[3:48] Speaker 1: And like army greens. So let's get into the topic.
[3:52] Speaker 2: We're going to talk about what is arguably the last
[3:55] Speaker 2: step in someone's process of getting ready, but possibly the
[3:57] Speaker 2: most important footwear shoes. I don't think I can think
[4:02] Speaker 2: of another word, but it's always compers scene. We're still
[4:06] Speaker 2: in the depths of winter, So what is your footwear situation?
[4:10] Speaker 2: And in a bigger picture kind of this this winter's
[4:13] Speaker 2: footwear trends.
[4:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, I just got a pair of knee high boots.
[4:19] Speaker 1: Are the ones you're wearing one of the.
[4:20] Speaker 4: Ones I'm wearing. I'm really loving the clip.
[4:23] Speaker 1: Chocolate animal is that? I mean it's not real.
[4:26] Speaker 4: Croc No, it's like a faux cross.
[4:27] Speaker 1: It's very cool.
[4:29] Speaker 4: I wanted something with a little bit of depth and
[4:30] Speaker 4: interesting pattern. I'm wearing a lot of like that knee
[4:34] Speaker 4: high because, as I said, I wear long skirts and
[4:37] Speaker 4: I just don't want that ankle cut off.
[4:41] Speaker 1: Interesting.
[4:41] Speaker 4: And the row of flesh, yeah, when it's at an
[4:44] Speaker 4: awkward level. I love the row flesh. When it's a ballet.
[4:48] Speaker 1: Flat, No, I know exactly what you mean.
[4:51] Speaker 4: Yeah, but I just wanted to be a seamless line.
[4:54] Speaker 4: So this kind of comes off the back of I
[4:57] Speaker 4: would say, like motorcycle boots was the trend over the
[5:00] Speaker 4: last few years. Everyone's wearing those this winter. But the
[5:05] Speaker 4: low profile sneaker, you know, evolution from the Samba and
[5:08] Speaker 4: all the brands around that style is super popular at
[5:13] Speaker 4: the moment.
[5:13] Speaker 2: So less about the chunky and more like the honest Suker, Tiger,
[5:16] Speaker 2: the Sumber, So they're like more the Tokyo's. Yeah, it
[5:19] Speaker 2: makes me feel like like kind of retro seventies sneaker vibe, Yeah,
[5:24] Speaker 2: instead of the chunky eighties dad sneaker.
[5:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think seventies and I love to sit in
[5:29] Speaker 4: a reference of seventies. Anything like late sixties, early seventies
[5:33] Speaker 4: is really my vibe. So I'm loving that everything is
[5:36] Speaker 4: very like seventies coded at the moment. Yeah, even the
[5:39] Speaker 4: big sunglasses like the over oversized sunglasses that are kind
[5:42] Speaker 4: of orange tinted.
[5:44] Speaker 1: Me too. It's so nice to see some color happening
[5:46] Speaker 1: in sunny's. Yeah. Not much of a color girl, but
[5:48] Speaker 1: I can do it on a small accessory.
[5:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good.
[5:51] Speaker 2: What do you think is the most versatile option when
[5:54] Speaker 2: it comes to a winter shoe? Maybe firstly for yourself
[5:56] Speaker 2: and then just in general, because I hate winter.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Shoes They're so hard. Yeah, I like summer shoes.
[6:02] Speaker 4: I do like a summer shoe. I think I often
[6:05] Speaker 4: just wear all of my stuff pretty much all the time.
[6:08] Speaker 1: Me too.
[6:09] Speaker 2: But when I say that, it's like my birken stocks
[6:11] Speaker 2: with exercise socks to drop my son at school. It's
[6:13] Speaker 2: not intentional, it's not sheic. I'm just like I just
[6:16] Speaker 2: slides are easy.
[6:17] Speaker 4: I would say my every day go to no matter
[6:20] Speaker 4: what is my loafer. Okay, I have a leather pair
[6:23] Speaker 4: of loafers, really good. I got them made in Portugal
[6:25] Speaker 4: and they are just perfect.
[6:27] Speaker 1: Pocked black and you just wear them with everything.
[6:30] Speaker 4: Classic pretty much, great arch support, white toe box. It's
[6:34] Speaker 4: just nice, beautiful.
[6:36] Speaker 2: We often get I mean, I moderate the nothing to
[6:39] Speaker 2: Wear community group, and a lot of people say I
[6:41] Speaker 2: don't know how to wear loafers because I think they
[6:43] Speaker 2: think of it so literally as like what men would
[6:46] Speaker 2: wear with a suit. But I love loafers and I
[6:48] Speaker 2: think they're so versatile. So what would you wear them with.
[6:51] Speaker 4: A tailored pair of trousers is a good one. I
[6:54] Speaker 4: always think that you have to look at the relationship
[6:56] Speaker 4: between the shoe and the hemline. Yes, and so I
[7:01] Speaker 4: actually think if you're getting into loafers and probably have
[7:05] Speaker 4: a thing about this during springtime, it's probably easier to
[7:08] Speaker 4: wear them with sock and like shorts or a skirm
[7:12] Speaker 4: something I love that.
[7:14] Speaker 1: I love the look. I I can't.
[7:16] Speaker 4: Do it, can't have legs out. Well, then you can
[7:18] Speaker 4: do it with a long skirt.
[7:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[7:19] Speaker 2: I often do a loafer with a Maxi skirt or
[7:22] Speaker 2: even in winter try and get more out of my wardrobe.
[7:24] Speaker 2: I'll be wearing like a Maxi dress. It might be
[7:26] Speaker 2: like a pretty floral, but I'll put a big long
[7:28] Speaker 2: gray chunky knit and a loafer.
[7:30] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's goods.
[7:32] Speaker 2: And even I think like if you did like a
[7:34] Speaker 2: black legging, like a dressy legging or whatever where you
[7:36] Speaker 2: lu lemon if you want, and then a long blazer
[7:38] Speaker 2: and then your loafer and people just think they're like nice.
[7:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I like that looks all them. People realize
[7:44] Speaker 4: they are good and like, if you want to do
[7:46] Speaker 4: a chunky loafer, you can. If you want to do
[7:48] Speaker 4: a slim sort of slide on loafer.
[7:50] Speaker 2: I'm more of a slim classic. You know, it's got
[7:52] Speaker 2: a back on it. But I can't do that chunky
[7:54] Speaker 2: Prata esque loafer that has been everywhere. It feels too school,
[7:59] Speaker 2: which is kind of the vibe.
[8:01] Speaker 4: I think. Yeah, for so many people, that is the
[8:03] Speaker 4: point the brat stole Yes school girl, that is kind
[8:06] Speaker 4: of their vibe.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Talk to me about high heels because the footwear category
[8:10] Speaker 2: has had quite the revolution, and I think that covid
[8:12] Speaker 2: Lockdown had a lot to do with that. What are
[8:15] Speaker 2: you seeing in high heels in terms of what people
[8:17] Speaker 2: are wearing or are they wearing them? Are they kind
[8:20] Speaker 2: of over in that they'll never be as popular as
[8:22] Speaker 2: they were before.
[8:23] Speaker 4: Maybe it's just my Instagram algorithm, but I'm seeing a
[8:27] Speaker 4: lot of women call the heel back.
[8:31] Speaker 1: They want it back.
[8:33] Speaker 4: They say, you need to before you go out, you
[8:36] Speaker 4: need to learn to walk in them.
[8:39] Speaker 1: You know, you really need because the generation just hasn't
[8:42] Speaker 1: done it.
[8:42] Speaker 4: They haven't done it, and like I have a you know,
[8:44] Speaker 4: my mum always jokes that I've been able to run
[8:47] Speaker 4: in hills before I could run.
[8:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a ride of passage where I
[8:51] Speaker 2: kind of first started going out and you got your
[8:53] Speaker 2: license and you could drink and you were just.
[8:55] Speaker 1: Like tottering around.
[8:56] Speaker 2: But we work with a lot of young women here
[8:57] Speaker 2: and they just everyone's just like nah.
[8:59] Speaker 4: Yeah, I can understand why I love it because I
[9:03] Speaker 4: love feeling like you walk differently when you're in a
[9:07] Speaker 4: per even if it's a small little kid.
[9:09] Speaker 2: Ye to kit and heel you've got to block he
[9:11] Speaker 2: along those boots, which is very wearable. So maybe not
[9:14] Speaker 2: the six inch stilettos. I mean, I love the look.
[9:17] Speaker 4: There's a time for it, yeah, but I just think
[9:19] Speaker 4: when you go to the oscars, you just need to
[9:22] Speaker 4: find the right moment. But I love kind of like
[9:25] Speaker 4: is it the fourth centimeter? Kind of like that mid
[9:28] Speaker 4: me too.
[9:28] Speaker 2: I'm all about when I go on a website, now
[9:30] Speaker 2: I'm searching for a shoe of like you know, still
[9:32] Speaker 2: it like point or pump and then I'll do mead.
[9:35] Speaker 2: I always search to mid heere and I'm like, oh
[9:37] Speaker 2: my god, I'm such a grandma.
[9:38] Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna though.
[9:39] Speaker 4: I was getting to that age as well. But I
[9:42] Speaker 4: love a really comfortable heel again, wide toe box. I
[9:45] Speaker 4: love the I would call them thong heels, the ones
[9:50] Speaker 4: where they like look like the pair of Aviana thongs.
[9:53] Speaker 4: And then yes, but just with like a leather or something.
[9:55] Speaker 4: I don't really need it to be in rubber.
[9:57] Speaker 3: No.
[9:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, well you put a heel on us.
[9:59] Speaker 4: And like, this generation has it so easy. They're like
[10:02] Speaker 4: Louis Biton's miss these are the most comfortable pair of shoes.
[10:06] Speaker 4: We had to suffer through painstaking heel It's true.
[10:10] Speaker 2: And also back in the day, you know, oftentimes if
[10:13] Speaker 2: you were wearing a really high heel, you might be
[10:15] Speaker 2: going out somewhere. And when I was when I was young,
[10:17] Speaker 2: there was no uber, so you just try to flag
[10:19] Speaker 2: down taxis and run around the city.
[10:20] Speaker 1: Now you just call the uber and you stand there, right,
[10:22] Speaker 1: it's door to door. Yeah, it's stored to door. Yeah.
[10:25] Speaker 2: Look, I'm interested to see what happens with heels. I
[10:27] Speaker 2: think I'm so pro heel because I love them and
[10:30] Speaker 2: I wore them a lot when I was younger. But
[10:31] Speaker 2: I'm also very happy with the evolution of more stylish
[10:34] Speaker 2: flatter footwear. So now we've got more options whereas us like, oh,
[10:38] Speaker 2: flats depending on what you did, but now there's so
[10:40] Speaker 2: many phenomenal flats or kitten heels that you don't have
[10:43] Speaker 2: to do high high heels. Okay, So we love a
[10:55] Speaker 2: statement shoe, whether it's you know, a loud color or
[10:58] Speaker 2: a cowboy boot. What are your styling tips for a
[11:02] Speaker 2: brave shoe choice? Like, do we ever make our shoe
[11:05] Speaker 2: the center of the outfit?
[11:06] Speaker 1: Attention?
[11:07] Speaker 4: Oh? I'm always making the shoe the center if I
[11:10] Speaker 4: if I'm gonna wear. So my theory is always like,
[11:15] Speaker 4: let's start with the shoe so you can figure out
[11:17] Speaker 4: what you want who But it's huge, yeah, of course,
[11:21] Speaker 4: because you need to like check in with yourself. You
[11:24] Speaker 4: need to really figure out, like what are you doing
[11:26] Speaker 4: that day?
[11:26] Speaker 2: That's true because you ask a lot from your footwear.
[11:28] Speaker 2: Is there a lot of walking? Are you sitting?
[11:30] Speaker 4: Are you getting in the uber and going straight to
[11:33] Speaker 4: the location. It's so true, and so.
[11:36] Speaker 1: How I want to get it so wrong all the
[11:37] Speaker 1: time I get it.
[11:38] Speaker 4: I think it's a good opportunity to like check in
[11:40] Speaker 4: and see who you need to be that day. And
[11:43] Speaker 4: so often if I do just feel like maybe I'm
[11:47] Speaker 4: wearing a lower key out, like maybe it's all black.
[11:51] Speaker 4: Having a statement footwear is super easy to bring, like
[11:55] Speaker 4: just a piece of interest to the look. It's also
[11:58] Speaker 4: a good way of like trying out the trends, even
[12:00] Speaker 4: though I don't want trends to be around it.
[12:02] Speaker 1: No, but I know what you mean.
[12:03] Speaker 4: You know, it's like if you're investing in really good
[12:06] Speaker 4: quality pieces and you want them to be that in
[12:10] Speaker 4: neutrals or colors that really work for you, like your neutrals. Obviously,
[12:14] Speaker 4: an olive green is like a dark green is our neutral?
[12:17] Speaker 1: Such a neutral. These are like a gray khaki.
[12:20] Speaker 4: Their gorge I really love.
[12:21] Speaker 2: They're actually very expensive and the toe has started to
[12:23] Speaker 2: feel off already. But I say very expensive, four hundred dollars,
[12:26] Speaker 2: which is very expensive.
[12:27] Speaker 4: Okay, I want to get a lot out of it.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Annoyed, I won't say anything about the brand.
[12:31] Speaker 2: But yes, you want to invest in stuff that's not
[12:33] Speaker 2: going to be worn once or twice because it's too uncomfortable,
[12:35] Speaker 2: it's badly made, especially when it comes to footwear, because
[12:39] Speaker 2: of what we ask it to do.
[12:40] Speaker 4: For sure, And like I, you know, I'm creating suits
[12:44] Speaker 4: for women who they're going to invest in these pieces.
[12:47] Speaker 4: They want to make them really versatile. So often we'll
[12:51] Speaker 4: do it in a neutral color. And so adding a
[12:55] Speaker 4: staple piece like a red shoe makes them feel very
[12:58] Speaker 4: like in the moment.
[12:59] Speaker 2: So as part of your job and what you do,
[13:01] Speaker 2: would you consider the footwear in what you're doing?
[13:04] Speaker 1: So do you say to her what shoes are we
[13:06] Speaker 1: wearing with this?
[13:06] Speaker 4: Yeah? So we often call our sessions discovery sessions because
[13:10] Speaker 4: we're really trying to figure out, like what is your lifestyle?
[13:13] Speaker 4: Are you doing the morning run for school and then
[13:16] Speaker 4: going to meetings and between what's happening? And so I
[13:21] Speaker 4: will tailor the pants to what you often wear.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's so important with the feet for sure.
[13:28] Speaker 4: And I will always tailor my wide leg long pants
[13:33] Speaker 4: to be shorter at the back. Smart because then I
[13:37] Speaker 4: can wear sneakers and it's not dragging on the floor.
[13:39] Speaker 4: And when I wear heels, they're still versatile. I don't
[13:41] Speaker 4: have to worry about it.
[13:42] Speaker 2: That is the smartest because when I take pants to
[13:46] Speaker 2: be tailor because I'm not particularly tall, and gosh, tailor
[13:48] Speaker 2: is expensive.
[13:49] Speaker 1: If you're buying an affordable with.
[13:50] Speaker 2: Hair pants and you need to get them taken up anyway.
[13:52] Speaker 2: They go, I take my shoes and they're like, well,
[13:53] Speaker 2: what choosing I'm like, well, I don't know. I might
[13:55] Speaker 2: wear a high heel, I might wear a sneaker, and
[13:57] Speaker 2: can you kind of do in between. But it's such
[13:58] Speaker 2: a commitment to choose a length that's so steack.
[14:00] Speaker 4: It's such a commitment to choose a length thing you
[14:02] Speaker 4: shouldn't have to. And I've found this technique that gives
[14:06] Speaker 4: you both because you don't want to drag you on
[14:08] Speaker 4: the bottom like the and I.
[14:09] Speaker 1: Also just don't want to pigeonhole those pants.
[14:12] Speaker 2: When we know now that you know wideleg pants, tailored
[14:14] Speaker 2: pants can be so versatile. They're not just dressy pants
[14:17] Speaker 2: or pants. You can wear them with sneakers or sandals.
[14:19] Speaker 2: So let's say someone listening is going to create a
[14:22] Speaker 2: capsule wardrobe for their shoes. So then on you know
[14:25] Speaker 2: the stuff that not everyone has to have all these
[14:28] Speaker 2: exact styles. But what do you think a kind of
[14:29] Speaker 2: the footwear staples that you can take us through life?
[14:32] Speaker 4: Oh, really good question. I'd say going with something you
[14:37] Speaker 4: definitely need a sneaker.
[14:39] Speaker 2: And that's separate to like your gym sneakers, Like if
[14:40] Speaker 2: you exercise, you mean like a lifestyle sneaker, yes, a trainer.
[14:44] Speaker 4: Yes, a trainer, a lifestyle sneaker, and that can be
[14:48] Speaker 4: low profile or chunky, it doesn't matter. And then I'd
[14:51] Speaker 4: have something a little bit more dressier, and that can
[14:54] Speaker 4: be a loafer, a Mary Jane, a ballet flat, yes,
[14:58] Speaker 4: anything like.
[14:58] Speaker 2: You com'fy footwear. That's the equivalent of a sneaker, but
[15:01] Speaker 2: more dressy.
[15:02] Speaker 4: Absolutely. I would always when you're talking about boots, you
[15:07] Speaker 4: really need to look at the hemlines.
[15:09] Speaker 1: I can't do boots.
[15:10] Speaker 2: I mean I can occasionally, but agreed, I don't know
[15:13] Speaker 2: how to lay them.
[15:14] Speaker 4: So would you go with a near high boot, yeah,
[15:18] Speaker 4: compared to an ankle.
[15:19] Speaker 2: Boot maybe, But I don't really wear short things I
[15:22] Speaker 2: wear like maxiskirts or jeans, So what kind of boot
[15:25] Speaker 2: do I wear?
[15:27] Speaker 4: I would probably go You would rather have something underneath longer, Yeah, underneath.
[15:32] Speaker 1: Maybe That's where I'm going wrong.
[15:33] Speaker 2: I think also, you know, touching on sandals, agreed, Like
[15:36] Speaker 2: I think you need like maybe a classic black pear
[15:39] Speaker 2: and then something neutraally like a tanny creamy even a white.
[15:43] Speaker 1: Because they just go with everything.
[15:44] Speaker 4: See, I do the exact opposite. I always think that
[15:48] Speaker 4: if it doesn't go with anything, it kind of goes
[15:50] Speaker 4: with everything.
[15:50] Speaker 2: Well, I agree, but this is the capsual staples, so
[15:53] Speaker 2: this is then we can go buy our fun little treats.
[15:55] Speaker 2: Like I just wore burgundy sandals even though it's they're
[15:59] Speaker 2: dead of winter. But I guess for what I'm my
[16:01] Speaker 2: capsule would be some neutrally stuff. I don't know, but
[16:05] Speaker 2: I do love a colored shoe and a statement shoe,
[16:07] Speaker 2: but I wouldn't put them in my capsule.
[16:08] Speaker 4: I'm a very vibr I I dress very like bright colors,
[16:12] Speaker 4: and I like to have my accessories really bright. And
[16:16] Speaker 4: so even if I'm going like a lot of Navies,
[16:19] Speaker 4: blacks and grays.
[16:20] Speaker 1: Like, what would you do a purple?
[16:21] Speaker 4: I do bright green.
[16:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, I like bread bright green.
[16:25] Speaker 4: I haven't done a lot of burgundy, even though this
[16:27] Speaker 4: is the time to buy burgundy.
[16:29] Speaker 1: You don't have to that rle, it's not done, but
[16:32] Speaker 1: it is everywhere.
[16:33] Speaker 2: So maybe, like I wear a lot of burgundy too,
[16:35] Speaker 2: because it's good for our colors exactly, So I don't
[16:37] Speaker 2: think I necessarily need it in the footwear.
[16:40] Speaker 4: But I do wear Yeah, I've got some blacks and
[16:42] Speaker 4: some neutrals. Okay, but yeah, I love it. I love
[16:45] Speaker 4: a statement green shoes.
[16:47] Speaker 2: I just love all shoes, even if I don't wear them,
[16:49] Speaker 2: I just want to look at them and think they're pretty.
[16:51] Speaker 2: So on that because you say you love fun shoes,
[16:54] Speaker 2: statement shoes, So you'd be across the wrong shoe theory.
[16:57] Speaker 4: Oh for sure.
[16:58] Speaker 2: So can you explain to the listeners what that is
[17:00] Speaker 2: and how do you use that theory or process to
[17:03] Speaker 2: get dressed?
[17:04] Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, the wrong shoe theory is going to be
[17:08] Speaker 4: picking something that just doesn't quite feel like it goes
[17:11] Speaker 4: with the overall theme or general esthetic that you're doing
[17:15] Speaker 4: and the rest of your outfit, and it creates tension.
[17:20] Speaker 4: And so I really like the wrong shoe theory. Well,
[17:23] Speaker 4: the tension because it's adding like a level of complexity.
[17:28] Speaker 4: I always like to think about, if I'm bringing in
[17:32] Speaker 4: something that really is wrong, it doesn't really make sense
[17:35] Speaker 4: to the rest of the outfit, how can I reference it?
[17:38] Speaker 4: And so, like, I have a pair of shoes that
[17:40] Speaker 4: are not only like wrong shoe, they're also relatively ugly
[17:44] Speaker 4: by all means. They are the Nike Tabby's, you know,
[17:48] Speaker 4: the ones with the toka and they're in camouflage.
[17:51] Speaker 2: Majella started, so Mason Martin Margiela started its shoe that
[17:55] Speaker 2: looks like a pousehold or something. It's got that line, yeah,
[17:59] Speaker 2: between like a thong but in a close gin shoe.
[18:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[18:02] Speaker 4: So the Tabby is originally a Japanese oh there you
[18:06] Speaker 4: go shoe. It's I believe it was more like a
[18:09] Speaker 4: working shoe. And so in Japan there's heaps of options,
[18:14] Speaker 4: options and lots of little buyers. Of course, Mochella has
[18:18] Speaker 4: made it so popular and expensive. I've had the great
[18:22] Speaker 4: quality and they really did last.
[18:24] Speaker 2: I've tried them on several times, but I'm not sold yet.
[18:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, I've recently bought an Etsy brand that I'm really
[18:33] Speaker 4: loving so I could try it out. Obsessed with them.
[18:36] Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good way to do it, and it's
[18:37] Speaker 1: a good spot to do that.
[18:39] Speaker 4: Yeah, independent sellers. So when I wear my camo colored
[18:44] Speaker 4: sneaker tabbys, I always try and parrot back with like
[18:49] Speaker 4: maybe a brooch that looks like an army number.
[18:54] Speaker 1: So there's another element that pulls it together.
[18:57] Speaker 4: Maybe the top is like green camera like not camera,
[19:01] Speaker 4: but army.
[19:02] Speaker 1: Green green like a khaki cando.
[19:04] Speaker 4: Yeah, and so like that structured military look, and I'll
[19:08] Speaker 4: wear it with a long, slowly black skull.
[19:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.
[19:12] Speaker 2: See me.
[19:12] Speaker 1: But yes, as Allen st Yeah, when I.
[19:15] Speaker 2: Try and do the wrong shoe theory, because you were
[19:17] Speaker 2: saying how oftentimes you started the shoe, I don't. But
[19:19] Speaker 2: I'll try and leave myself enough time. And this is
[19:22] Speaker 2: especially I guess if I'm going somewhere nice on the weekends,
[19:24] Speaker 2: I'll put on the outfit. Then I'll get out five
[19:26] Speaker 2: pairs of shoes and I'll quickly just try them all on,
[19:28] Speaker 2: because there's always a pair of shoes that you.
[19:30] Speaker 1: Know go in your head.
[19:32] Speaker 2: But the wrong shoe theory is add interest in quirk
[19:34] Speaker 2: by wearing not something that's ugly in mismatch, but something
[19:37] Speaker 2: that would technically not be thought of.
[19:39] Speaker 1: It's not.
[19:41] Speaker 2: So we are chatting in the depths of winter, but
[19:43] Speaker 2: spring is right around the corner. So do you have
[19:45] Speaker 2: any little sort of forecast of what we're going to
[19:48] Speaker 2: be wearing on our feet in the spring.
[19:49] Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I've been looking at the runways that are
[19:53] Speaker 4: happening in Europe at the moment, and a lot of
[19:55] Speaker 4: the like leather sandals, the Indian style sandals, I think,
[20:00] Speaker 4: just like thongs, but not in like the haavianas. We're
[20:03] Speaker 4: going to be doing like a leather or like a
[20:05] Speaker 4: dress style.
[20:05] Speaker 1: So like that simple, like the rose A song that
[20:08] Speaker 1: was that's back.
[20:09] Speaker 4: Again, I think. So that's what I'm seeing everywhere. I'm seeing,
[20:12] Speaker 4: you know, everyone that's in the European summer at the moment.
[20:16] Speaker 4: They Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of that. So I
[20:18] Speaker 4: love it because I already have a.
[20:19] Speaker 1: Pair of I was gonna say, if you've already read it,
[20:22] Speaker 1: I'm prepared.
[20:23] Speaker 2: But if you're shopping now, you know, particularly if you're
[20:26] Speaker 2: like there's some websites that have got like when Overseas
[20:29] Speaker 2: goes on, soal they're going to we're selling their summer.
[20:31] Speaker 1: Grab it because we're going to be wearing it.
[20:33] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're like Christmas boxing days. Tales will be
[20:38] Speaker 4: definitely where we can prepare for our summer. Yes, yeah,
[20:42] Speaker 4: that's what I'm seeing a lot of at the moment.
[20:44] Speaker 1: Okay, love it.
[20:45] Speaker 3: Simple, it's very expensive, how wonder.
[21:03] Speaker 2: Okay, Bougie and Budget Winter Footwear Edition. I want you
[21:07] Speaker 2: to start with your budget please.
[21:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, my budget I'm loving the Rabosy Mary Jane Tabby's
[21:14] Speaker 4: I got love Etsy. They're sixty nine dollars.
[21:17] Speaker 1: Oh my god.
[21:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that was a really good They're not
[21:20] Speaker 4: real go.
[21:21] Speaker 1: A good way to practice and see if you like to.
[21:23] Speaker 4: See if you like it. There's a few that are
[21:25] Speaker 4: real leather and the different price points. I like their
[21:28] Speaker 4: whole collection. I was specifically after the Tabo's.
[21:31] Speaker 1: What color did you get?
[21:32] Speaker 4: I just got black?
[21:32] Speaker 2: Okay, very simple shape with the weird toe thing is
[21:37] Speaker 2: already quite a statement. So it's good to start with black.
[21:40] Speaker 4: Yes, there are statement piece without being too much of
[21:42] Speaker 4: a statement.
[21:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, not visually colored. Yeah, okay, that's your budget.
[21:45] Speaker 2: Well, my Bougie and budget are similar prices and they're
[21:48] Speaker 2: not outrageous, but they're the two winter styles I wear
[21:51] Speaker 2: the most. So I'll start with my budget because it's
[21:54] Speaker 2: ten dollars cheaper.
[21:55] Speaker 1: And this.
[21:55] Speaker 2: I've got this Nine West pump. But I have got
[21:57] Speaker 2: a version of this pump from every brand, from every
[22:00] Speaker 2: color ever, from Jimmy Chwo, Tibets, I've got a lot
[22:05] Speaker 2: of them. So I love the Nine West mailing pumps.
[22:08] Speaker 2: It's a medium here, real Swede. You need to get
[22:11] Speaker 2: real Swede in these guys, and look at the greens.
[22:14] Speaker 2: It comes in black, navy, red, and two types of green.
[22:17] Speaker 2: They are the hardest swearing pump ever, and Swede makes
[22:21] Speaker 2: them look expensive, whereas if you get them even in
[22:23] Speaker 2: a real leather, they.
[22:24] Speaker 1: Can just look a bit. I don't know. I love them.
[22:27] Speaker 2: So I've got the black and navy in those. I've
[22:29] Speaker 2: got a green in another brand. I've got a liec.
[22:32] Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many Swede pumps I've got. Okay,
[22:35] Speaker 2: because you can wear them to your first you can
[22:37] Speaker 2: wear them with cute shorts and like a big blazer
[22:40] Speaker 2: like a Swede pump is actually so versatile. My favorite
[22:43] Speaker 2: person in the whole world, Rosy Huntington Whitey, wears a
[22:46] Speaker 2: pump all the time.
[22:46] Speaker 1: But she does that high. I do that high and
[22:48] Speaker 1: I can run for the bus in them.
[22:50] Speaker 4: Perfect. You can wear them everywhere, you can dress something.
[22:53] Speaker 1: It would have heard them to the gym, but I
[22:54] Speaker 1: don't go to the gym.
[22:55] Speaker 2: Other than that, I'm good, all right, bougie, what's your
[22:58] Speaker 2: fancy winter shoe?
[22:59] Speaker 4: This is my all year, but I've only recently just
[23:02] Speaker 4: got it. Resold it is the deal, sing back the
[23:06] Speaker 4: sling back. I think it's just like a nice again
[23:09] Speaker 4: point is it a heel, it's not a hill. I
[23:12] Speaker 4: went with the flat. It's more versatile. Yes, because I'm
[23:15] Speaker 4: wearing you know, if I'm wearing jeans. I just bought
[23:18] Speaker 4: a pair of the tapered jean.
[23:20] Speaker 1: Love a barrel jean. Yeah, so good with that style
[23:23] Speaker 1: of shoe.
[23:23] Speaker 4: Yes, because it cuts off a little bit too short
[23:26] Speaker 4: than what I'm used to, so I'm really enjoying.
[23:29] Speaker 1: Okay, and what color have you got in that? Just
[23:31] Speaker 1: black with the white, the very classic, that ribbony kind.
[23:34] Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I always think that a black shoe,
[23:37] Speaker 4: no matter kind of like what the style is, that
[23:39] Speaker 4: is a winter shoe.
[23:40] Speaker 1: I agree, yeah yeah.
[23:41] Speaker 2: And also if you're going to invest in that kind
[23:43] Speaker 2: of price, black is so clever. Yeah yeah, like we
[23:46] Speaker 2: do love a colored shoe, but black, that would that
[23:48] Speaker 2: would get a spot in your kind of capsule I reckoning.
[23:51] Speaker 4: Yes, it's truly timeless.
[23:53] Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, mine are the Malini Carli cream leather Loafers
[23:57] Speaker 2: one hundred and nineteen nine ninety five. I love a
[24:00] Speaker 2: cream loafer. I have too many pairs of cream loafers.
[24:02] Speaker 2: I don't have these ones.
[24:04] Speaker 1: I have the Tony.
[24:05] Speaker 2: Bianco ones that are very similar. Both of them are
[24:07] Speaker 2: inspired by the Saint Laurent loafers. I tried these on
[24:10] Speaker 2: after look there's much of a muchness. But these ones
[24:13] Speaker 2: are really great in that I don't like anything because
[24:16] Speaker 2: I've got big feet and I just I don't know.
[24:18] Speaker 2: I don't like anything too visually chunky on my feet,
[24:21] Speaker 2: so I will wear a lighter colored loafer with jeans.
[24:25] Speaker 2: Navy camel, even black looks cool like it looks wrong
[24:29] Speaker 2: shoe theory. I love my white loafers. Sometimes they look
[24:32] Speaker 2: like a retirement village golfer.
[24:34] Speaker 4: It's gonna say it's very seven years so I love.
[24:36] Speaker 2: It's just cool, and I honestly like I've got some
[24:39] Speaker 2: beautiful black loafers that are quite a few seasons old
[24:41] Speaker 2: and quite expensive.
[24:42] Speaker 1: I haven't reached from this winter because I'm all about
[24:44] Speaker 1: the cream.
[24:45] Speaker 4: It's very eclectic, Granpa.
[24:46] Speaker 1: Of you, I love you, ieel comfortable.
[24:48] Speaker 2: So the Mileni ones are great, but so are the
[24:50] Speaker 2: Tony Bianco. There's a lot and also some of those
[24:53] Speaker 2: sale like the end of winter sales is a great
[24:55] Speaker 2: time to get quality footwear for next season.
[24:58] Speaker 4: Yeah to prap to have a little.
[25:00] Speaker 1: More, especially your classic.
[25:02] Speaker 4: That one will take you through to spring as well. Forever, yeah, forever.
[25:07] Speaker 1: Thank you. That was fascinating.
[25:08] Speaker 2: I'm going to all my new pants all my old
[25:11] Speaker 2: pants in a new way.
[25:12] Speaker 1: So thank you for joining me.
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