# Fashion Week Takeaways: Update Your Look Without Spending A Fortune

An episode of [Nothing To Wear](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1589394895), 20 May 2025, 26 min.

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Jessica Leahy (model, journalist and all-round fashion powerhouse) joins Host Leigh Campbell to spill the tea on Australian Fashion Week 2025! From polka dots and leather gloves to Nagnata's bury-in-your-garden denim (yes, really!), they break down the runway highlights and what's actually worth adding to your wardrobe. Spoiler alert: cherry red is having a major moment. Drowning in outfit indecision? Jessica's genius hack: choose accessories as the base of all your weekly fits to avoid fashion decision fatigue. Think metallic bags or statement earrings that work with everything. They also get real about runway diversity - yes, it's better than the bad old days, but still not quite there. EVERYTHING MENTIONED: Jess's Budget: Route 66 Vintage Tees Leigh's Budget: Staple The Label Fluffy Knit Jumper $99 Jess's Boujee: Nagnata Denim Jeans $450 Leigh's Boujee: Rebecca Vallance Hazel Shirt $349 For more Aussie gems, read this: LEIGH CAMPBELL: My favourite lesser-known Australian fashion brands. And their best buys. GET YOUR FASHION FIX: Watch this and more episodes of Nothing To Wear on Youtube Follow us on Instagram Want to shop the pod? Sign up to the Nothing To Wear Newsletter to see all the products mentioned plus more, delivered straight to your inbox after every episode. Feedback? We’re listening! Call the pod phone on 02 8999 9386 or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au CREDITS: Host: Leigh Campbell Guest: Jessica Leahy Producer: Mollie Harwood Audio Producer: Lu Hill Video Producer: Marlena Cacciotti Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:10] Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
[0:13] Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
[0:17] Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. Whoever said orange is
[0:22] Speaker 2: a new pink with seriously.
[0:23] Speaker 1: Disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking?
[0:26] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you have.
[0:27] Speaker 1: To do it. You live for fashion.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
[0:34] Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell.
[0:37] Speaker 2: In every week, I chat to an expert who helps
[0:40] Speaker 2: us work out how to get more out of the
[0:42] Speaker 2: clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is
[0:45] Speaker 2: and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Today, I am
[0:48] Speaker 2: thrilled to be joined by someone who truly understands Australian
[0:52] Speaker 2: fashion from every angle. She's a journalist, a model, a presenter,
[0:56] Speaker 2: an author and a fellow podcast host with her iconic,
[1:00] Speaker 2: soft and curious pod, I'm talking about none other than
[1:04] Speaker 2: Nothing to Wear fath Jessica Lay. She has fifteen years
[1:08] Speaker 2: experience in the fashion industries. She's worked with iconic Australian
[1:12] Speaker 2: and international brands like R. M. Williams, Bonds, Ralph Lauren
[1:16] Speaker 2: and Calvin Klein. No big deal, but I particularly love
[1:20] Speaker 2: Jess for her unwavering commitment to positive body image, empowerment
[1:24] Speaker 2: and inclusivity, both in media and in fashion. And today
[1:29] Speaker 2: she's helping me dissect Australian Fashion Week, which happened last week,
[1:32] Speaker 2: and we're going to break down how we can adapt
[1:34] Speaker 2: some of the off the runway styles and trends into
[1:37] Speaker 2: our everyday wardrobes and basically just talk about what fashion
[1:40] Speaker 2: week is, why it happens, how it works, and what
[1:43] Speaker 2: goes on behind the scenes. Hi, friend Jess, Hello, how
[1:46] Speaker 2: are you so good? Have you lost your voice? After
[1:49] Speaker 2: fashion Week? There's been a lot of chit chatting, I
[1:51] Speaker 2: have to say, a lot of small talk, a lot
[1:53] Speaker 2: of small talk. Well I got to bump into a
[1:55] Speaker 2: lot last week. But I've known you for a million years,
[1:58] Speaker 2: Cosmo days and then you're always being dragged into MoMA
[2:02] Speaker 2: Mia for many things.
[2:03] Speaker 1: Which I'm always happy about.
[2:04] Speaker 2: Actually, we love it. Last time you were on here,
[2:07] Speaker 2: you we talked dopamine dressing.
[2:09] Speaker 1: We did emotional dress sets. It still rings true for
[2:12] Speaker 1: me and I've felt it a lot this past week.
[2:15] Speaker 2: I know, right, it's like anything goes so that's quite exciting.
[2:18] Speaker 2: But before we get into fashion week, I ask returning
[2:20] Speaker 2: guests two questions. Do you have the biggest fashion splurge
[2:25] Speaker 2: or impulse purchase that comes to mind?
[2:28] Speaker 1: Something that just pops in which I don't regret at all,
[2:31] Speaker 1: But it was definitely like aUI when I.
[2:33] Speaker 2: Bought it for the wallet?
[2:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got a Gucci Jackie bag and that
[2:37] Speaker 1: was something I bought myself. And how long ago? I
[2:41] Speaker 1: mean it's I think it was like two years ago.
[2:45] Speaker 2: And you use her a lot, not as much as
[2:48] Speaker 2: I should.
[2:48] Speaker 1: But I am getting a little bit more liberal, and
[2:50] Speaker 1: also I am trying to be like where your stuff?
[2:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, every day it's on
[2:55] Speaker 2: an occasion, Yeah, don't.
[2:56] Speaker 1: Let it just sit in the calico at the top
[2:57] Speaker 1: of the that's the.
[2:59] Speaker 2: Spending so important and you've worked so hard and then
[3:02] Speaker 2: you're like, I don't want to use it.
[3:03] Speaker 1: But it's like and she's so pretty, she goes with everything.
[3:06] Speaker 1: She's just black and white. Do you have a style
[3:08] Speaker 1: muse currently Pamela Anderson, Yes, obsessed.
[3:12] Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that so much. Yeah.
[3:15] Speaker 1: I just think it's almost just because she's kind of
[3:17] Speaker 1: returned to herself. I always thought she was the hottest,
[3:20] Speaker 1: like from back in the day like Baywatch days incredible,
[3:23] Speaker 1: like her and calm and like I love sexy girls
[3:26] Speaker 1: me so like that was just so beautiful. But then
[3:28] Speaker 1: now she's just stepped into this phase where she is
[3:32] Speaker 1: being herself with her own human skin.
[3:35] Speaker 2: Yes, And I feel like it's great because what we
[3:37] Speaker 2: expected of her was to be a sexy girl with
[3:40] Speaker 2: the eye makeup and the you know, the whole beauty look.
[3:44] Speaker 2: But she's still just radiating you know, sexuality and just confidence,
[3:49] Speaker 2: but she doesn't have to do the whole hair and makeup.
[3:51] Speaker 1: That's just what we're coming to in this day and age,
[3:53] Speaker 1: like we're getting into that little pointy place where I
[3:55] Speaker 1: think things are getting a little bit hunger games like irl, Yes,
[3:59] Speaker 1: and it's just nice to see someone just pulling back
[4:02] Speaker 1: from that and just being like, I'm actually me do
[4:04] Speaker 1: what I want, and I'm going to kind of look
[4:06] Speaker 1: how I want to look and actually look like myself anyway.
[4:09] Speaker 1: It's so beautiful to see someone just like, yeah, kind
[4:11] Speaker 1: of embracing what they actually look like. I love that,
[4:14] Speaker 1: all right.
[4:15] Speaker 2: I want to talk Fashion Week. Most people don't know
[4:17] Speaker 2: exactly when I say most people, you know, it's an
[4:19] Speaker 2: industry event. So the lay person who doesn't work in
[4:22] Speaker 2: fashion doesn't really understand what it's about. So can you
[4:25] Speaker 2: give us a quick rundown? You know, what are we
[4:28] Speaker 2: seeing and why and when are the normal people going
[4:30] Speaker 2: to see it?
[4:31] Speaker 1: Well? I think what we're seeing is we're seeing what
[4:34] Speaker 1: the designers are bringing out, obviously for their next collections.
[4:37] Speaker 1: And usually it's always about you know, the buyers getting
[4:40] Speaker 1: to have a look and then they can purchase, you know,
[4:43] Speaker 1: in order whatever is because not everything on the runway
[4:46] Speaker 1: gets made, right, So that's why some things look kind
[4:49] Speaker 1: of crazy in outlandish and people like as if anyone's
[4:51] Speaker 1: ever going to wear that, And some of those pieces
[4:53] Speaker 1: are only just to show off like the aesthetic of
[4:57] Speaker 1: the brand, yes, and then other pieces are obviously ready
[5:00] Speaker 1: to wear and like you know, if someone comes in
[5:03] Speaker 1: there like we want that top, that's skirt, blah blah blah.
[5:05] Speaker 1: But that's what gets made. Yeah, So that's what fashion
[5:07] Speaker 1: week is about. It's about showcasing what they're acting they
[5:10] Speaker 1: want to create for the next season.
[5:13] Speaker 2: Yes, so it's a bit of a crystal ball for
[5:15] Speaker 2: I guess you and I I mean you model and
[5:18] Speaker 2: to ten, I saw your running around last week going backstage,
[5:20] Speaker 2: front stage, all over the place and for us, you know,
[5:23] Speaker 2: as media, it's for us to know what's coming up,
[5:26] Speaker 2: and like you say, buyers in Australia but also internationally
[5:29] Speaker 2: going okay, that brand's great, and yeah, let's okay. I've
[5:32] Speaker 2: seen you know, a lot more a lot of Sheer again,
[5:35] Speaker 2: so you know, she is coming as a trend overall,
[5:37] Speaker 2: so kind of everyone kind of getting across what's coming up.
[5:40] Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people don't realize there
[5:41] Speaker 1: are some Australian brands that do really well overseas, yes,
[5:44] Speaker 1: more than you know in Australia, like you know, even
[5:49] Speaker 1: in like Arab markets and things like that, because it's
[5:51] Speaker 1: that modesty dressing. And I think we've got some beautiful brands,
[5:54] Speaker 1: Like I know that Zimmerman did really well overseas before
[5:57] Speaker 1: they kind of did well in Australia. Yes, yeah, yeah,
[5:59] Speaker 1: they did do well, but it was just like you know,
[6:02] Speaker 1: that kind of modesty dressing even when.
[6:04] Speaker 2: You travel to if I ever walked past to Zimmerman
[6:06] Speaker 2: or I saw Alimes when I was overseas, and I'm like,
[6:10] Speaker 2: I'm so proud, and you forget that, you know, our
[6:12] Speaker 2: beautiful brands that you know, are big names.
[6:14] Speaker 1: But they're global totally. I mean, Nagnat are huge globally.
[6:18] Speaker 2: So cool. I love that we're going to talk about
[6:20] Speaker 2: that in a little bit. How many years or how
[6:22] Speaker 2: long have you been attending or been involved in Fashion Week?
[6:26] Speaker 1: I feel like I've been involved since like my late
[6:28] Speaker 1: teen since I started modeling.
[6:29] Speaker 2: Okay, so you're not giving me a time frame like
[6:32] Speaker 2: fifteen years. Yeah, yeah, so about that.
[6:36] Speaker 1: But I feel like this year is the funnest year
[6:39] Speaker 1: for me because I feel like finally I have friends there,
[6:42] Speaker 1: Like it feels a bit familiar and I feel less.
[6:45] Speaker 1: You know, it's just like anywhere you feel like you
[6:47] Speaker 1: finally built up a bit more of a community. Yes,
[6:50] Speaker 1: so it's a lot more fun now to attend rather
[6:52] Speaker 1: than like kind of daunting. It's more like I'm going
[6:54] Speaker 1: to go see what my friends have made.
[6:55] Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you that because I think I've
[6:58] Speaker 2: had some dms on Instagram saying, oh my gosh, is
[7:00] Speaker 2: it intimidating? Is everyone wearing head to toe designer? So
[7:03] Speaker 2: do you find it intimidating or I guess not now.
[7:07] Speaker 2: But it's an interesting question to ask because personally, I
[7:10] Speaker 2: love Australian fashion. I like the fashion shows, but I
[7:15] Speaker 2: do find Fashion Week as an attendee and I'm not
[7:18] Speaker 2: even modeling or I don't know, I just turn up
[7:20] Speaker 2: quite overwhelming. Do you think it's clicking, like for the
[7:24] Speaker 2: outside person, do you think that that reputation or that
[7:28] Speaker 2: stereotype is true.
[7:29] Speaker 1: I think everything I would feel intimidated if I walked into, like,
[7:33] Speaker 1: you know, an accounting.
[7:34] Speaker 2: Meeting for your first time.
[7:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know what I'm talking about, and
[7:39] Speaker 1: I don't have colleagues or peers in that room. I
[7:41] Speaker 1: think everything is intimidating if it's not you, if you're
[7:45] Speaker 1: still getting to know, yeah, the colleagues and peers that
[7:48] Speaker 1: you have. I feel like, now after all these years,
[7:50] Speaker 1: I have friends who I like genuinely are my mates. Yeah,
[7:54] Speaker 1: which is so nice, but obviously yeah, Like I think
[7:57] Speaker 1: people always want to poopo it as something that's a
[7:59] Speaker 1: little bit superficial, you know. It's like people do want
[8:02] Speaker 1: to make clothes feel superficial a lot.
[8:04] Speaker 2: Yes.
[8:05] Speaker 1: And the thing is is I always say to that, like,
[8:07] Speaker 1: well wear something you're uncomfortable and see how much it matters.
[8:11] Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, Like it's a choice
[8:13] Speaker 1: that you're making every day, and yeah, these are the
[8:15] Speaker 1: people that are bringing you, yeah, you know the trends
[8:18] Speaker 1: and yeah, and often they're pretty like cookie and weird
[8:21] Speaker 1: and like they were the outsiders. So it's like they
[8:23] Speaker 1: finally kind of found their people in their place. I agree.
[8:26] Speaker 2: I've just loved watching the diversity of what people are
[8:29] Speaker 2: wearing and the expression. You know, this is art. You know,
[8:32] Speaker 2: you wouldn't say an art gallery or you know, an
[8:34] Speaker 2: art exhibition is superficial, but this is people wearing art
[8:37] Speaker 2: or creating art, and it's just on people's bodies instead
[8:39] Speaker 2: of on a campus.
[8:40] Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think once you know the history of
[8:42] Speaker 1: fashion and things like that, it's it's more interesting. You know.
[8:45] Speaker 1: You can see like when I say the Jackie bag,
[8:46] Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking? Yes, do you know what
[8:48] Speaker 1: I mean? Like it's Jackie, Oh, it's that bag? You
[8:51] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like there is history We're
[8:53] Speaker 1: woven into people's clothes.
[8:55] Speaker 2: And in Australia too. You know, I was chatting to
[8:58] Speaker 2: someone last week and we were talking about, you know,
[8:59] Speaker 2: when Sassen Bibe was Sassin Byde and the Rats leggings
[9:02] Speaker 2: and you know that looking we were looking back at
[9:04] Speaker 2: old age photos from you know, ten years ago and
[9:07] Speaker 2: that sort of sequin skirt. You know, Australian fashion does
[9:11] Speaker 2: have that heritage and it's quite nice to see that
[9:13] Speaker 2: evolve over the decades.
[9:15] Speaker 1: Totally, and I think you only get a perspective of
[9:17] Speaker 1: time when you've lived through trends.
[9:28] Speaker 2: Talk to me about what you loved last week, standout trends, looks, shows, attendees, anything, well.
[9:35] Speaker 1: I obviously the week started with Colors and Patty, which
[9:38] Speaker 1: was beautiful and I think was super fitting. And the
[9:42] Speaker 1: Carriageworks showroom, which, even though the Carla show was in
[9:46] Speaker 1: Circular Key, the Carriagework showroom has been called the Colors
[9:49] Speaker 1: and Patty Room, so I think that's a really nice
[9:52] Speaker 1: nod beautiful with that legacy. The show was very Carlor like,
[9:57] Speaker 1: you know, it was those silhouettes, lots of beautiful like
[10:01] Speaker 1: feminine shapes, like flouncy. Rachel Rutt was wearing this beautiful
[10:07] Speaker 1: polka dot dress which was so floating and gorgeous, like
[10:11] Speaker 1: a kind of hole to neck, and then she had
[10:14] Speaker 1: elbow length leather gloves on.
[10:16] Speaker 2: Amazing.
[10:17] Speaker 1: I loved it. I was like, that is sick, you know,
[10:20] Speaker 1: like that that kind of contrast because I love being girly,
[10:23] Speaker 1: but I also think that I love it to kind
[10:25] Speaker 1: of like, you know, mess it up a little bit
[10:27] Speaker 1: as well. So that was gorgeous.
[10:29] Speaker 2: And I think also for us getting dressed at home,
[10:31] Speaker 2: it's kind of like the wrong shoe theory, but you
[10:33] Speaker 2: can apply it to anything in new ordrobe and like
[10:36] Speaker 2: technically if it doesn't go, that's kind of great. It
[10:38] Speaker 2: doesn't have to be your matchy match or just try it.
[10:41] Speaker 1: I think something has to draw the eye to go.
[10:44] Speaker 1: Do I like that or not? Like it's got to
[10:46] Speaker 1: you don't want to walk in the room and have
[10:47] Speaker 1: no one have kind of an opinion on your outfit.
[10:49] Speaker 1: I feel anyway, I want.
[10:50] Speaker 2: Someone's somewhere you're going if you go into your accounting meetings.
[10:53] Speaker 2: We spoke earlier, Yeah.
[10:55] Speaker 1: But yes, and then I think another standout show for
[10:57] Speaker 1: me was obviously.
[10:58] Speaker 2: Nagnata Yes amazing.
[11:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, Laura and Hannah they is that their first show
[11:03] Speaker 1: that was their first on schedule show, yeah, which they
[11:05] Speaker 1: haven't shown on schedule before, and it was really big
[11:08] Speaker 1: for them because they launched Denim. Yes, it was super excited.
[11:11] Speaker 2: I loved it because if for listeners that don't know.
[11:13] Speaker 2: It's kind of an active way brand, but I'd more
[11:16] Speaker 2: say a lifestyle brand.
[11:18] Speaker 1: You know.
[11:18] Speaker 2: I have a bunch of their shorts and I just
[11:20] Speaker 2: kind of wear them in summer with thongs and an
[11:23] Speaker 2: oversized shirt around to do chores. And I mean, I'm
[11:26] Speaker 2: not really an exercise person, but it was all beautifully
[11:29] Speaker 2: tonal and I loved it.
[11:32] Speaker 1: Makething else that you love? Oh what else should I love?
[11:35] Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like my outfit today is hands
[11:39] Speaker 1: and gradel. Yes, I loved.
[11:40] Speaker 2: I was saying to you before we started filming. I
[11:42] Speaker 2: love velvet, but I if I wear it, I look
[11:45] Speaker 2: like I'm going to be in a pantomime for school.
[11:47] Speaker 2: But you can just do velvet so well, it's such
[11:50] Speaker 2: a lux fabric.
[11:52] Speaker 1: I love. I do love like a silky piece, like
[11:56] Speaker 1: you know, silk laundry.
[11:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, I Laundry, which is another Aussie brand in the show.
[12:00] Speaker 1: I think you'd have talked about that before, yea, Yeah,
[12:02] Speaker 1: I love, I love silky. I love it's great to
[12:04] Speaker 1: fly in velvet.
[12:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, it is all right, first class. Actually, I do
[12:10] Speaker 2: have like wide legged, black oversized pants, elastic waists that
[12:13] Speaker 2: a velvet that's genius. I know they go for traxit pants.
[12:16] Speaker 2: They feel like shaks.
[12:18] Speaker 1: Feel like trackies, but you don't feel like, oh, I'm
[12:20] Speaker 1: just walking around in my trackies all the time. Yeah, no,
[12:23] Speaker 1: it's good.
[12:24] Speaker 2: I personally loved Negali. It was the most beautiful, like
[12:28] Speaker 2: the prints were. They're all indigenous prints and they were
[12:32] Speaker 2: just so beautifully crafted with the garments that it just
[12:37] Speaker 2: felt fresh and different but not sort of trying to
[12:41] Speaker 2: make a statement and out there there were some beautiful
[12:43] Speaker 2: browns and Beija's. As you can tell, I'm a neutral girl.
[12:45] Speaker 2: I just thought that was so beautiful. And for me,
[12:48] Speaker 2: I always loved bian Caspenda, which is interesting that you
[12:50] Speaker 2: mentioned Krla Biancaspender is her daughter. I think she's my
[12:55] Speaker 2: favorite Australian fancy designer. It's all that sort of classic
[12:59] Speaker 2: tailoring but a bit of structure. There was some beautiful
[13:01] Speaker 2: sort of billowing like almost strapless tops, and then these
[13:05] Speaker 2: amazing satin pants that are structured at the top but
[13:08] Speaker 2: then kind of billowing at the bottom. And she introduced
[13:10] Speaker 2: swim which I thought was quite cool. It was a
[13:12] Speaker 2: very yeah, it was very hers, so not I wouldn't
[13:15] Speaker 2: say conservative, but very sort of classic. I have so
[13:19] Speaker 2: many of her pieces that I've bought many years ago
[13:21] Speaker 2: and they still look brand new. And so while it's
[13:23] Speaker 2: expensive price point and they you know, they're classic enough
[13:26] Speaker 2: to keep wearing, but like you say, a little bit
[13:28] Speaker 2: structur all different that every time I wear it, people
[13:30] Speaker 2: will be like, where's that from. I'm like Biancaspander and
[13:32] Speaker 2: they got to look for it. I'm like, oh no, it's
[13:33] Speaker 2: like eight years old. Thoughts on fashion Week and size,
[13:38] Speaker 2: inclusivity and diversity, you know, all encompassing. I've saw a
[13:42] Speaker 2: lot of I hate to say older, but I saw
[13:45] Speaker 2: a really nice representation of women that weren't twenty. What
[13:49] Speaker 2: are your thoughts because you were front stage and backstage, Yeah, you.
[13:52] Speaker 1: Know, I feel like they were going to always have
[13:54] Speaker 1: this conversation about like diversity when it comes to you know,
[13:57] Speaker 1: size and race and age and gender and all that
[14:00] Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Obviously my answer is always the same
[14:03] Speaker 1: year after, could.
[14:04] Speaker 2: Be better, could be better, could be better.
[14:06] Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's less token ISTI now
[14:11] Speaker 1: like we actually know the model's names. You know, those curvier.
[14:14] Speaker 2: Girls, you know, they're not just quickly finding someone on
[14:17] Speaker 2: social media as a ring in.
[14:18] Speaker 1: I think I think it's like, yeah, we've seen girls
[14:21] Speaker 1: year after year on that runway, which is really nice
[14:24] Speaker 1: because it's that's what it's all about. It's about making
[14:26] Speaker 1: someone a personality, someone recognizable. It's not just about finding
[14:30] Speaker 1: you know, the yeah, feeling a brief and just recitling.
[14:34] Speaker 2: Because then everyone else is yeah.
[14:36] Speaker 1: So it's it's I feel like, I feel like it
[14:38] Speaker 1: could be better in terms of everything, but the age,
[14:42] Speaker 1: the age I love, and I just think it's just
[14:45] Speaker 1: less shocking now to see like that's personally how I feel.
[14:49] Speaker 1: And that's where I see that gap being bridged, is
[14:52] Speaker 1: where I'm not shocked to see an older woman or
[14:57] Speaker 1: you know, come down the runway. I'm excited and I
[15:00] Speaker 1: and I don't even notice, and you know, we're all
[15:02] Speaker 1: going to get older, and I'm frankly like pretty sick
[15:05] Speaker 1: of the lack of acknowledgment of I've reposted this thing
[15:09] Speaker 1: that Andy me Dal had like a video and someone
[15:11] Speaker 1: asked her like, oh, now that you're over forty and
[15:13] Speaker 1: you're losing your beauty, Like she talks about this question
[15:16] Speaker 1: that she got and because you know, Andy McDowell was
[15:18] Speaker 1: just like forever the face of was it lorial?
[15:21] Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it's one of those big beauty faces forever.
[15:24] Speaker 1: And then remember when she went into Made and she
[15:26] Speaker 1: had her hair and it was like gray, and yeah,
[15:28] Speaker 1: she looked her age like, you know, she's what is
[15:30] Speaker 1: she in her sixties? I think so she looks incredible,
[15:33] Speaker 1: but like she looks like a six aged.
[15:35] Speaker 2: Beauty is not about age, you know, it's not. I
[15:38] Speaker 2: was quick segue, but I was on mid which is
[15:41] Speaker 2: Muma MIA's podcast for women who are mid thirty, forty
[15:44] Speaker 2: fifty sixties, and I had that question on Instagram too
[15:46] Speaker 2: once and I was like, well, I'm not a banana,
[15:48] Speaker 2: I'm not ham and women aren't something that go off
[15:51] Speaker 2: after a you know, we can be a beautiful vintage
[15:54] Speaker 2: chair or building, and you know, I think that's right,
[15:56] Speaker 2: but it's true because you know, women wear fashion of
[16:01] Speaker 2: all different sizes, of all different ages, and I like
[16:03] Speaker 2: it to you know, a footballer, it's like, well, once
[16:05] Speaker 2: they're thirty, they're out. And it's oftentimes with models it's like, oh,
[16:09] Speaker 2: in your thirties, now, what are you going to do
[16:11] Speaker 2: for your real career after that? And it's like no,
[16:13] Speaker 2: women still work in that industry regardless of their age.
[16:17] Speaker 2: So it's nice to see, but I hope we continue
[16:19] Speaker 2: to see more. Yeah, and it just becomes subconscious before
[16:23] Speaker 2: I ask you just about other Aussie faves. I was
[16:26] Speaker 2: stopped last week. I wish I knew the publication. It
[16:28] Speaker 2: was a video and someone asked me about what I
[16:30] Speaker 2: thought about Australian street style. You know, you go to
[16:34] Speaker 2: Westfield and you see seeds of linen and all the
[16:36] Speaker 2: same colors. You go to fashion Week and it is
[16:39] Speaker 2: so varied and so individual that I'm clocking all these
[16:42] Speaker 2: amazing different things. But when I was asked to sum
[16:46] Speaker 2: up Australian street style, give me your thoughts.
[16:49] Speaker 1: It depends, like you know, Melbourne is very different to Sydney, Like,
[16:52] Speaker 1: you know, Melbourne is very New York, Sydney's very la
[16:56] Speaker 1: I think the temperature does change the way people dress
[16:59] Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, and you know Sydney is a
[17:01] Speaker 1: bit more like cleavage and shearing, a bit more.
[17:04] Speaker 2: Like statemental yeah yeah, and.
[17:06] Speaker 1: Then Melbourn's a bit more covered up and like you know,
[17:08] Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, bookish.
[17:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true what I saw last week. Because
[17:12] Speaker 2: when they asked me that, I was like, well, look,
[17:13] Speaker 2: if I'm just looking at street style images of I
[17:17] Speaker 2: know it's Copenhagen Fashion Week, you can just tell, or
[17:19] Speaker 2: you can tell it's New York. Whereas I said Australian
[17:22] Speaker 2: Fashion Week, for me last week was you probably couldn't
[17:25] Speaker 2: really tell. It felt like not so much London Fashion Week,
[17:28] Speaker 2: but just being out in London. So many different trends, looks,
[17:32] Speaker 2: not trends, just really creative outfits that you can't really
[17:36] Speaker 2: go Okay. Besides rad everyone was wearing red and burgundy.
[17:39] Speaker 2: There wasn't There were a lot of red, so did I.
[17:42] Speaker 2: But what I loved was that there was just such
[17:45] Speaker 2: a huge array of different looks, different trends.
[17:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the thing is about like Australia, I
[17:53] Speaker 1: wouldn't say we have like a distinct signature of how
[17:56] Speaker 1: we dress. Really like we're still pretty mismatched. We're very
[17:59] Speaker 1: multicultural society in terms of like I feel like people
[18:02] Speaker 1: go away, find themselves and come back. Like I moved
[18:05] Speaker 1: to London when I was younger, so I feel like
[18:07] Speaker 1: my kind of confidence in dressing is like I don't
[18:10] Speaker 1: mind if I look a little bit like Loud and Larry, because.
[18:13] Speaker 2: I'm like, that's what I love about you, and I
[18:15] Speaker 2: ask you to come back time and time again, because
[18:17] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the right phrase is,
[18:19] Speaker 2: but people would say you're a curve model, which is
[18:21] Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous because you're smaller than the standard Australian woman.
[18:25] Speaker 1: But I love fluctuate.
[18:28] Speaker 2: I don't really fluctually, but you wear what you want.
[18:31] Speaker 2: You look phenomenal. You use confidence from your Instagram and
[18:34] Speaker 2: knowing you in real life and I mostly see you
[18:36] Speaker 2: on Instagram. That is so inspiring and that sounds really
[18:40] Speaker 2: kind of like lip service, but it's not. You're just like,
[18:42] Speaker 2: I feel fucking great I'm wearing this. You know, it's
[18:45] Speaker 2: just very individual and you feel I feel like you
[18:48] Speaker 2: feel really happy and confident what you wear.
[18:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, well I felt like last week as well. I
[18:52] Speaker 1: was really dressing how I dress like it was for
[18:54] Speaker 1: the first year, and I feel like I was talking
[18:56] Speaker 1: to Liz Sunshine, who shoots a lot, and she was
[18:58] Speaker 1: wearing the same thing every day, and we talked a
[19:01] Speaker 1: bit about how this year it felt like people weren't
[19:04] Speaker 1: doing as many go home get changed five changes And
[19:07] Speaker 1: the only look that mine that was featured on you know,
[19:10] Speaker 1: Vogue Runway, was I was wearing a sixteen dollar vintage
[19:15] Speaker 1: Nevada Cowboys T shirt and my own jeans. I think
[19:19] Speaker 1: I was wearing some Burberry sonnies, which is nice because
[19:22] Speaker 1: I love what Burbery is doing, especially speaking about the
[19:24] Speaker 1: age thing. But like that was me that I would
[19:26] Speaker 1: wear that any day of the week.
[19:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was Indivindually, it was the.
[19:29] Speaker 1: One that got kind of featured. And I feel like
[19:31] Speaker 1: it's because it speaks to wear how you actually would dress.
[19:35] Speaker 2: There was a lot of sheer, There was still a
[19:37] Speaker 2: lot of tailoring. What's stuck in your head that you're
[19:39] Speaker 2: excited to wear in the future.
[19:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think red red, and there was a lot
[19:44] Speaker 1: of red. So good on you, but yeah, no, but
[19:46] Speaker 1: it was almost that beautiful like cherry, kind of cherry red,
[19:50] Speaker 1: loved like a light chilled wine.
[19:52] Speaker 2: All the good things are red.
[19:54] Speaker 1: And I think as well, there was a lot of
[19:55] Speaker 1: things that you could have as a maximalist style, like
[19:59] Speaker 1: but it's almost like sometimes if you go so maximalist,
[20:02] Speaker 1: it almost becomes a neutral.
[20:04] Speaker 2: Totally more street style. What do you think the everyday
[20:08] Speaker 2: person that doesn't go to fashion Week can learn from
[20:09] Speaker 2: what we saw?
[20:10] Speaker 1: Well, you know what I did this year was I
[20:13] Speaker 1: wore a lot of the same shoes and bag or
[20:18] Speaker 1: you know, like accessory wise like and I think the
[20:21] Speaker 1: thing is is taking away some of that decision fatigue
[20:24] Speaker 1: every morning, right, I think you don't have to style
[20:27] Speaker 1: your whole outfit head to toe and change it up
[20:29] Speaker 1: every day. You know, have the kind of like metallic
[20:33] Speaker 1: bag or like, you know that big statement earring.
[20:36] Speaker 2: I was going to say, you.
[20:37] Speaker 1: Know, the high high boot and wear that all week
[20:41] Speaker 1: with all different looks, Like have that be your statement?
[20:43] Speaker 1: And like, you know, it's like that. It can be
[20:46] Speaker 1: daunting trying to dress like interestingly every day, but if
[20:49] Speaker 1: you kind of commit to I'm going to have this
[20:51] Speaker 1: particular bag, which is a bit loud and out there, yes,
[20:53] Speaker 1: but I'm going to work it in with all these
[20:55] Speaker 1: different looks. I think that that's something where you can
[20:58] Speaker 1: play around with fashion and it's less daunty.
[21:01] Speaker 2: Agreed, And mine was belts. I noticed so many people
[21:03] Speaker 2: had a trench or a blazer or even just a
[21:06] Speaker 2: jumper and just checking on a belt and sinching it
[21:08] Speaker 2: in the waist or whatever. It looks like you were
[21:11] Speaker 2: so effortless and timeless in chic, but maybe you just
[21:13] Speaker 2: grabbed a belt at the last minute.
[21:16] Speaker 1: It's very expensive.
[21:18] Speaker 2: Damn, honey, how wonld are these percent okay? Bougie and budget.
[21:23] Speaker 2: You don't have to give me exact products, you can brands,
[21:26] Speaker 2: just Aussie themed bougie and budget.
[21:28] Speaker 1: My budget I'll start with that is Yeah. I did.
[21:32] Speaker 1: I bought a whole bunch of vintage tees this week
[21:34] Speaker 1: and I wore them to a couple of shows and
[21:38] Speaker 1: just like throughout the week, which I loved. There's a
[21:40] Speaker 1: shop on en More Road in a newtown called Route
[21:43] Speaker 1: sixty six.
[21:44] Speaker 2: And fashion Week wasn't far from there. No, I'm gonna
[21:46] Speaker 2: have to go back this week.
[21:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not usually I used to always be
[21:50] Speaker 1: afraid to kind of thrift to be because the shops
[21:52] Speaker 1: are a bit scat, but you know what, they've elevated
[21:55] Speaker 1: so many of that. Like I don't want to sound
[21:57] Speaker 1: like a snob.
[21:58] Speaker 2: No, but it's true.
[21:59] Speaker 1: You know, it's like I'm having a good shopping extent
[22:01] Speaker 1: and you have.
[22:01] Speaker 2: To be in the right frame of mind and have
[22:04] Speaker 2: time to sift.
[22:05] Speaker 1: But then but then now I feel like they've sifted
[22:07] Speaker 1: it for you. I feel like they've gotten there together
[22:10] Speaker 1: in this Route sixty six hop love Love Love. Speaking
[22:12] Speaker 1: of belts, you know, cowboy boots, but amazing vintage ship
[22:15] Speaker 1: teas and really good price point, I think.
[22:18] Speaker 2: And although you know you don't know the brand, you're
[22:19] Speaker 2: supporting an aussy business because that store is an Australian
[22:22] Speaker 2: business that's doing what they can for the circular economy
[22:25] Speaker 2: and the environment totally.
[22:26] Speaker 1: And I got like so many shirts for under forty
[22:28] Speaker 1: bucks and I just.
[22:29] Speaker 2: Love I'll quickly do my budget. It's not they didn't
[22:32] Speaker 2: show up fashion week, because it's important to note that
[22:34] Speaker 2: you know, one percent of Astrone in fashion label show
[22:36] Speaker 2: fashion Week. It's incredibly expensive, but a brand I love
[22:39] Speaker 2: that's quite affordable. It's staple the label. And they have
[22:43] Speaker 2: a nitch that just came out. It's called the Ember
[22:45] Speaker 2: Fluffy Nit Jumper and it's just a cream, quite deep
[22:49] Speaker 2: v neck. It's ninety nine dollars. I've been looking for
[22:51] Speaker 2: a cream jumper that doesn't throw yellow because I love
[22:54] Speaker 2: winter whites and it's I don't want it to be
[22:56] Speaker 2: too it's kind of off white.
[22:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be Margarini.
[23:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. It just it's not right. And
[23:02] Speaker 2: it's got a lovely V. And that's because I just
[23:04] Speaker 2: love checking on a necklace and then feeling like I've
[23:07] Speaker 2: done something so that with jeans, that with white likes
[23:09] Speaker 2: that with my sequence skirt ninety nine dollars. I love
[23:12] Speaker 2: stay for the label and I would love to see
[23:14] Speaker 2: some more affordable Aussie brand showing it fashion Week, because
[23:18] Speaker 2: you know, not everyone has eight hundred dollars for a blazer,
[23:20] Speaker 2: but that's one of my favorite brands. Tell me your bougie.
[23:22] Speaker 1: I bet I can guess my bougie. Well, I mean
[23:26] Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, we could say it's bougie, but
[23:29] Speaker 1: I think it's an investment. Agree, Gagnana everything and the
[23:32] Speaker 1: denim is amazing.
[23:34] Speaker 2: I need to get into some of the dnims. This
[23:35] Speaker 2: was their first year doing dinner.
[23:36] Speaker 1: Their first year and you know what I feel like.
[23:39] Speaker 1: I spoke to Laura May about it.
[23:41] Speaker 2: I went to school with Laura May, is like three
[23:44] Speaker 2: or four grades below me and always that beautiful and
[23:47] Speaker 2: kind and smart. Wow, And that's why I'm so happy
[23:49] Speaker 2: to see their brand do so well.
[23:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she's very clever, and you know, I think
[23:53] Speaker 1: you know she and Hannah has sister have made these
[23:56] Speaker 1: genes which are bury your jeanes. The whole concept is
[23:59] Speaker 1: you cut off the metallic parts, you cut off the
[24:01] Speaker 1: waistband and they're compossible.
[24:03] Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing?
[24:05] Speaker 1: You know? And that's that's you know. I think the
[24:07] Speaker 1: whole greenwashing in the live sustainable fashion is like people
[24:10] Speaker 1: are making things where they're going to try and tell
[24:12] Speaker 1: you that you can wear it in threeenty thirteen, you know,
[24:14] Speaker 1: and it's like, no, this stuff is going to not
[24:17] Speaker 1: last that.
[24:18] Speaker 2: You're going to want to and your kids aren't going
[24:19] Speaker 2: to want to know.
[24:20] Speaker 1: But where we put it? And so it's like you
[24:22] Speaker 1: can bury these in your garden to put seeds and
[24:25] Speaker 1: then they will compost. It's organic cotton vegetable.
[24:27] Speaker 2: Guys, they really walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
[24:30] Speaker 1: I think. So I think I think it's just like
[24:32] Speaker 1: in a really like honest way about Like, No, I
[24:34] Speaker 1: don't think she's ever personally said that she's sustainable, no, like,
[24:38] Speaker 1: but you.
[24:38] Speaker 2: Can just tell, I mean from their vibes that they're
[24:43] Speaker 2: not going to just say something for the sake of it.
[24:46] Speaker 1: No. Well, and you know, you know, fashion is a business.
[24:49] Speaker 1: I guess people are out to make money. It's definitely true.
[24:51] Speaker 1: But like still to that point, like I just think, yeah,
[24:54] Speaker 1: that whole concept of like creating something that then can
[24:57] Speaker 1: get buried in your garden instead of going to land
[24:59] Speaker 1: phill is. Like, I think it's amazing. Wow, I've never
[25:03] Speaker 1: heard of anything like that.
[25:04] Speaker 2: I want to go and bury someone and see what happens.
[25:06] Speaker 2: But I think you have to wait around a long time.
[25:08] Speaker 2: And if I buy some, I'm going to wear the
[25:10] Speaker 2: quickly for me. Another brand that didn't show but has
[25:12] Speaker 2: shown before, Rebecca Velance. I love her stuff. She has
[25:16] Speaker 2: just brought out the hazel shirt. It is expensive for
[25:19] Speaker 2: a shirt, three hundred and forty nine dollars. Pure silk,
[25:22] Speaker 2: the deepest, most delicious, rich chocolate.
[25:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, she makes beautiful, luxey vibes.
[25:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, very kind of black tie. But then she's got
[25:30] Speaker 2: some sort of suiting. And I just feel like this
[25:32] Speaker 2: rich chocolate silk shirt would make me feel so fancy
[25:36] Speaker 2: and so grown up with jeans, wide legged pants anything.
[25:39] Speaker 2: I just am not good enough at washing silk yet
[25:42] Speaker 2: to let myself invest in that. And I'm not dry
[25:45] Speaker 2: cleaning something like that all the time because cost per drying.
[25:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think choky silk is like it speaks like
[25:53] Speaker 1: I'm a grown up.
[25:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a grown up. Oh, Jess, I love chatting
[25:56] Speaker 2: to you. Let's not wait for fashion week next year.
[25:58] Speaker 2: I'm gonna have you back, but thank you for joining me.
[26:00] Speaker 2: I hope you can rest your voice after a very
[26:02] Speaker 2: busy week last.
[26:03] Speaker 1: And thank You'll be having a vitamental after this.
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