# Carrie Bradshaw's Closet: Three Decades of SATC Fashion Chaos

An episode of [Nothing To Wear](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1589394895), 19 Aug 2025, 36 min.

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Think Sex and the City was just about dating and designer shoes? Think again. This week, Leigh's joined by Mamamia's Head of Entertainment, Laura Brodnik to decode the fashion legacy that's still influencing our wardrobes 30 years later. From Carrie's controversial black bra moments to Miranda's power suits that actually made sense, these four women didn't just change how we talk about relationships—they revolutionised how we dress. Laura breaks down why Carrie Bradshaw's style is actually more attainable than aspirational (yes, really!), explains how each character's wardrobe evolved to reflect their personal growth, and reveals why that infamous pigeon clutch from "And Just Like That" is peak Carrie energy. EVERYTHING MENTIONED: Dirt Fabric Spray Starter Pack $35.40 Leigh's Budget: Norma Kamali Diana one-shoulder ruched stretch-jersey dress $339 Laura's Budget: Fayt Sola Skirt Black $89.00 Leigh's Boujie: JW Anderson Pigeon clutch $1260 JW PEI Kallie Pigeon Clutch Bag-Purple $249.00 Laura's Boujie: ARRANGE Curve futurist sequin embellished fringe hem midi skirt in gold $314.00 Want $10 + a free month of Mamamia? We've got you. We're cooking up something exciting and need your brilliant opinions to help us make even better content. It's just 20 minutes of your time, and you'll get: • $10 e-gift card • 1 month Mamamia subscription (or gift it to someone if you're already a subscriber) Survey here T&Cs here This week, you can get 20% off a Mamamia sponsorship, and Mamamia will match that 20% and donate it to RizeUp, a charity supporting women and families affected by domestic violence. Subscribe today with the code GIVEBACKNTW until 24 August 2025. GET YOUR FASHION FIX: Watch us on Youtube this episode launching tonight 8pm! Follow us on Instagram Want to shop the pod? Sign up to the Nothing To Wear Newsletter to see all the products mentioned plus more, delivered straight to your inbox after every episode. Feedback? We’re listening! Call the pod phone on 02 8999 9386 or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au CREDITS: Host: Leigh Campbell Guest: Laura Brodnik Producer: Mollie Harwood & Ella Maitland Audio Producer: Tina Matolov Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris Just so you know — some of the links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping! Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:10] Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
[0:13] Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
[0:17] Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. Whoever said orange is
[0:22] Speaker 2: a new pink with seriously disturbed.
[0:24] Speaker 3: Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have.
[0:27] Speaker 4: To do it.
[0:28] Speaker 3: You live for fashion.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear the podcast. It
[0:34] Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
[0:38] Speaker 2: and every week I chat to an expert who helps
[0:40] Speaker 2: us work out how to get more out of the
[0:42] Speaker 2: clothes we already own and tells us what is and
[0:44] Speaker 2: isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, today's bit sad
[0:48] Speaker 2: because we're saying goodbye to a friend. We're actually saying
[0:51] Speaker 2: goodbye to four friends. Sex and the City hit our
[0:55] Speaker 2: screens almost thirty years ago, and since then, with a
[0:59] Speaker 2: few breaks, these four women and their friends have influenced
[1:03] Speaker 2: our lives in ways we don't even realize. Whether you
[1:07] Speaker 2: were a fan or not, or a late coming to
[1:09] Speaker 2: the show. Sex and the City and then, and just
[1:13] Speaker 2: like that, have revolutionized the way women talk about relationships, careers,
[1:18] Speaker 2: sex and fashion. Back in nineteen ninety eight, Carrie Charlotte
[1:23] Speaker 2: Samantha and Miranda burst onto the scene and changed our
[1:27] Speaker 2: lives in so many ways, talking about sex, career, relationships,
[1:31] Speaker 2: and of course, their fashion. So joining me today is
[1:34] Speaker 2: Laura Brodnick. There is no one better to help me
[1:37] Speaker 2: dissect the legacy that is sex and the City through
[1:39] Speaker 2: a fashion lens. She is the head of entertainment here
[1:42] Speaker 2: at Mamma Mia and the host of the Spill, and
[1:44] Speaker 2: her brain is an encyclopedia of TV and movies.
[1:48] Speaker 1: I don't know how she fits it all in.
[1:50] Speaker 2: She's got some incredible insights about how these four women
[1:53] Speaker 2: changed our lives and what their fashion meant to us
[1:55] Speaker 2: and to them and to the world. Lovely Laura, welcome
[1:59] Speaker 2: to Nothing to Wear. You are on ten thousand other podcasts,
[2:03] Speaker 2: but I don't think I've had you on Nothing to Wear,
[2:05] Speaker 2: So welcome.
[2:06] Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm happy to be here as a listener.
[2:08] Speaker 1: As a and also an expert.
[2:11] Speaker 2: Soon, but let me start with our questions we ask
[2:13] Speaker 2: first time guests before we get into the topic. Can
[2:16] Speaker 2: you describe your own style in three words and what
[2:19] Speaker 2: are they?
[2:20] Speaker 4: Oh? Well, I would say a bit classic, classic, glamorous
[2:26] Speaker 4: and comfortable. Yeah maybe, yes, I.
[2:29] Speaker 2: Have worked with you for seven and a half years,
[2:31] Speaker 2: and I would absolutely agree, particularly the glamorous, because I
[2:34] Speaker 2: think of your job, although I don't know, maybe on
[2:36] Speaker 2: the weekends, which might help you answer the next one.
[2:40] Speaker 2: Women have a wardrobe full of clothes, whether that's a
[2:42] Speaker 2: lot or not a huge amount, but generally we reach
[2:45] Speaker 2: for a small section about ten percent. What's in your
[2:47] Speaker 2: ten percent?
[2:48] Speaker 1: And why?
[2:48] Speaker 4: Okay, I think my ten percent just because again, my
[2:50] Speaker 4: job is very much like red carpets, junkets, parties, all
[2:54] Speaker 4: that sort of stuff and which I'm always it's a lot,
[2:57] Speaker 4: But the difference is that there's a lot of people
[2:59] Speaker 4: who spend their day getting professionally made up to go
[3:01] Speaker 4: to those events, whereas I am always running from the
[3:04] Speaker 4: office where I keep a wardrobe under my desk, doing
[3:06] Speaker 4: my hair in the back of an uber. So I
[3:09] Speaker 4: love a very I have a rotation of a few,
[3:11] Speaker 4: like long glamorous dresses that I always throw like a
[3:13] Speaker 4: black jacket, all because I feel like they can take
[3:15] Speaker 4: me from the office to an event. And at the
[3:17] Speaker 4: moment in my rotation is a lot of I have
[3:19] Speaker 4: one black skirt and one long black pair of pants
[3:22] Speaker 4: that I'm wearing now that I just mix jackets with.
[3:25] Speaker 2: So I was gonna say, when I think of you,
[3:27] Speaker 2: I think of amazing blazers.
[3:28] Speaker 1: You have a lot of gray blazes.
[3:30] Speaker 4: A blazer fixes you for just every single moment. You
[3:32] Speaker 4: can wear a blazer to a red cart, but you
[3:34] Speaker 4: can wear in the office. You just always look very
[3:35] Speaker 4: put together. I someone's even wear a blazer to brunch.
[3:38] Speaker 3: It's comfortable.
[3:39] Speaker 2: I'm going to hold you, but I'm going to put
[3:41] Speaker 2: you on the spot while where filming and recording. I
[3:43] Speaker 2: think you need to write like a blazer edit for
[3:46] Speaker 2: the website or something, because I can thank you for that.
[3:50] Speaker 2: Onto Fashion, Sex and the City and just like that,
[3:53] Speaker 2: and what were the movies called?
[3:55] Speaker 4: Oh, just Sex and the City one, And you're up
[3:58] Speaker 4: to date, very good.
[3:59] Speaker 2: We are farewelling our four friends and their friends, which
[4:03] Speaker 2: is really sad for a lot of people. So let's
[4:05] Speaker 2: go back and talk fashion and our four friends sex.
[4:09] Speaker 1: When the City launched in nineteen ninety eight, so I
[4:12] Speaker 1: was sixteen.
[4:14] Speaker 2: You don't have to tell us how old you were,
[4:16] Speaker 2: But how radically different do you feel it was from
[4:19] Speaker 2: everything else on television at the time.
[4:22] Speaker 4: There just wasn't anything else on television at the time
[4:24] Speaker 4: like that. And again I was in primary school so
[4:26] Speaker 4: I wasn't allowed to watch it, but it became such
[4:28] Speaker 4: a big deal into high school. My friends and I,
[4:31] Speaker 4: living in this tiny town in North Queensland, would relate
[4:33] Speaker 4: to these women in their late thirties in New York
[4:36] Speaker 4: and we would pour our vodka cruises into martini glasses
[4:39] Speaker 4: a sleepovers to pretend we were them. I think it
[4:41] Speaker 4: just had this reach. And there were so many kind
[4:44] Speaker 4: of those New York City based comedy shows at the time,
[4:46] Speaker 4: but they were always about a big group of friends
[4:48] Speaker 4: and they were predominantly focused on love stories or career stories,
[4:53] Speaker 4: whereas Sex and the City talked about dating and sex
[4:55] Speaker 4: from a woman's perspective that we hadn't seen before. But
[4:58] Speaker 4: it also highlighted friendship in a way that we haven't
[5:02] Speaker 4: seen the same way since, and it's kind of going out.
[5:04] Speaker 4: Other shows have done it, but it hasn't resonated in
[5:07] Speaker 4: the same way.
[5:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, I did watch it at sixteen, and like, I
[5:10] Speaker 2: don't really think lots of sixteen year old should have.
[5:13] Speaker 2: But I'm the third child with her twelve year gap,
[5:16] Speaker 2: so I think my parents like, eh, who knows what
[5:17] Speaker 2: she's having seen? Yeah, exactly, I saw Cocktail when I
[5:20] Speaker 2: was like nine, so it became a cultural phenomenon straight away.
[5:23] Speaker 2: But still almost thirty years on, it's still so powerful,
[5:27] Speaker 2: resonates with women of my age, you know, meer and
[5:30] Speaker 2: Holly's age and younger. Why do you think it is
[5:34] Speaker 2: still so popular and why was it so life changing?
[5:36] Speaker 4: I think the life changing element also just comes from
[5:39] Speaker 4: maybe the fantasy element of it. I think we are
[5:41] Speaker 4: in a time now where and this is a good
[5:43] Speaker 4: thing that there's so much realism on TV and we
[5:45] Speaker 4: have TV shows that show you this really gritty side.
[5:48] Speaker 4: But I think that fantasy element and that idea of
[5:50] Speaker 4: like New York being a character on the show, and
[5:53] Speaker 4: the restaurants being a part of it, and the shopping
[5:55] Speaker 4: and the clothes in a fantasy element is something that
[5:58] Speaker 4: died a little after Sex and the City. And part
[6:00] Speaker 4: of that is not the industry didn't try, because after
[6:03] Speaker 4: Sex and City finished, all these other big shows came
[6:05] Speaker 4: in to take its place, Like you had Kashmir Mafia
[6:08] Speaker 4: with Lucy Lou or you had Lipstick Jungle with Brookshields,
[6:11] Speaker 4: And these were shows about groups of women living in
[6:14] Speaker 4: New York with these glamorous careers and these incredible clothes
[6:17] Speaker 4: that were meant to fill that gap because the show
[6:20] Speaker 4: creators rightly knew that people were craving that, and unfortunately
[6:24] Speaker 4: right of strikes kind of killed them off. But nothing
[6:26] Speaker 4: has come in to take that cultural narrative in the
[6:29] Speaker 4: same way. And I think the friendship thing, as we
[6:32] Speaker 4: were saying, is a huge thing. And I really hate
[6:34] Speaker 4: when people say, like, oh, Charlotte was just the prissy
[6:37] Speaker 4: one or Samantha was a sex crazed one. It's like,
[6:39] Speaker 4: you would not find a better friend than Samantha Jones,
[6:41] Speaker 4: a great out there. And also just the way it
[6:44] Speaker 4: spoke about single life I think hasn't been picked up
[6:47] Speaker 4: in the same way. Like I think that in the
[6:49] Speaker 4: final season, there's this episode called a Woman's Right to
[6:52] Speaker 4: Shoes and the way that Carrie has that conversation with
[6:56] Speaker 4: her friends saying I have a real life, like I
[6:58] Speaker 4: don't have children, i'm not married, but my life matters
[7:01] Speaker 4: in a way through an allegory of shoes. I think,
[7:04] Speaker 4: like so many of my friends and so many people
[7:06] Speaker 4: I know still reference that episode a symbolic right as
[7:09] Speaker 4: the call of that conversation and the fact that that
[7:11] Speaker 4: happened over twenty years ago, and it's still relevant today,
[7:14] Speaker 4: and I feel like no other TV show has captured
[7:16] Speaker 4: the zeitgeist in that way.
[7:17] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love that perspective.
[7:19] Speaker 2: It's funny because obviously, thirty years ago there was god
[7:21] Speaker 2: no such thing as social media. I think maybe we've
[7:24] Speaker 2: just got a computer and I had to kick my
[7:25] Speaker 2: dad's fax machine off to go on to nine MSN
[7:28] Speaker 2: or whatever it was. But I didn't, and I don't
[7:31] Speaker 2: think anyone back then really was like, oh my gosh,
[7:34] Speaker 2: this woman can't pay her rent, but she's buying all
[7:36] Speaker 2: these shoes. Like you say, it was fantasy, but there
[7:38] Speaker 2: was no outrage about it. I feel like if they
[7:40] Speaker 2: did that now, it just it just I don't even
[7:44] Speaker 2: know if it would even land.
[7:45] Speaker 4: We'd be nitpicking so much. It's so funny, like every
[7:47] Speaker 4: time Patricia Fields, who's the very famous stylist is you know,
[7:50] Speaker 4: behind Sex and the City, when she said that the
[7:52] Speaker 4: writers and her team had this unofficial kind of story
[7:55] Speaker 4: amongst themselves that Carrie had like this whole big storage
[7:58] Speaker 4: apartment somewhere else in New York City. I don't know
[8:00] Speaker 4: where she was finding the money for that. Although magazine
[8:03] Speaker 4: articles paid better then so I don't think it's beyond
[8:05] Speaker 4: the realm of disbelief that a writer could afford that
[8:08] Speaker 4: that was in a time of high commissions. Yes, but
[8:10] Speaker 4: they even the writers had a fantasy in their own
[8:13] Speaker 4: heads of how she had all these clothes in the
[8:15] Speaker 4: studio apartment. And I know in the later on seasons
[8:17] Speaker 4: they nit picked it a little bit. Yes, but I
[8:19] Speaker 4: also back in the star it's very believable that a
[8:22] Speaker 4: woman being crazy debt and all her money on shoes.
[8:26] Speaker 2: I started watching It's sixteen and then a few years
[8:28] Speaker 2: later I never wanted to get into magazines, but fell
[8:31] Speaker 2: into magazines, and I wonder now, subconsciously I did get
[8:33] Speaker 2: into a ridiculous amount of credit card debt, not earning
[8:36] Speaker 2: a lot of money, but thinking, oh credit pretty close.
[8:39] Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and you need it, and like carry kind
[8:41] Speaker 4: of made it okay because she'd like I bought Vogan
[8:44] Speaker 4: shoes instead of food, and you're like, I want to
[8:46] Speaker 4: do that as well.
[8:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like my friend on the TV did,
[8:48] Speaker 1: so it's okay.
[8:49] Speaker 4: It made you feel like more of a creative person.
[8:51] Speaker 1: To do it, totally struggling financially.
[8:54] Speaker 2: So she's one character, obviously, But then we've got Miranda, Charlotte,
[8:57] Speaker 2: and Samantha. Give me your vibe on each character, because,
[9:02] Speaker 2: like you said, they're not one dimensional. I mean, I
[9:03] Speaker 2: think if I look back at you know, like you
[9:06] Speaker 2: referred to, Charlotte was prim and proper and pressy and
[9:10] Speaker 2: desperately wanted her husband and kids. Then Samantha was sexy
[9:14] Speaker 2: and therefore dressed very sexy.
[9:16] Speaker 1: And then you had Miranda, who has a bit in Drogena.
[9:18] Speaker 1: She's a lawyer.
[9:19] Speaker 2: She was kind of that more sensible one. But you know,
[9:21] Speaker 2: that's painting them with one brush. However, it was kind
[9:25] Speaker 2: of a helpful tool at the time because you could
[9:27] Speaker 2: maybe identify yourself in one of them or your friends.
[9:32] Speaker 2: But obviously they were much more complex than that. So
[9:35] Speaker 2: how do you think, I guess the characters represented women
[9:39] Speaker 2: in our lives, And then why do you think they
[9:41] Speaker 2: dressed the characters the way they did.
[9:43] Speaker 4: I think what you're saying about them being these kind
[9:44] Speaker 4: of archetypes was very helpful when the show first came
[9:47] Speaker 4: out to sort of distinguish who was who of like
[9:50] Speaker 4: the proper one and then carry like the whole way
[9:52] Speaker 4: she was. Because if you watched the first episode of
[9:54] Speaker 4: Sex and the city where Patricia Field wasn't involved. She's
[9:56] Speaker 4: got a very different look. She's writing at home in sweatpants.
[9:59] Speaker 4: It's very strange then.
[10:00] Speaker 1: And didn't they talk to the camera for the first time.
[10:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they did that again. It was very documentary style.
[10:06] Speaker 4: I wonder how much of that came from Sarah Jessica
[10:08] Speaker 4: Parker wanting to be She was very embarrassed when the
[10:10] Speaker 4: show first started because she didn't want to be playing
[10:13] Speaker 4: a sex crazed character and she was like desperately trying
[10:15] Speaker 4: to get out of her contract and all this stuff.
[10:18] Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, she was like, I will do three
[10:20] Speaker 4: movies for free if you let me out of this show.
[10:22] Speaker 4: And I think bringing Patricia Field on was a way
[10:25] Speaker 4: to kind of elevate it because she and Jessica Parker
[10:27] Speaker 4: became really good friends. And the whole reason she's wearing
[10:30] Speaker 4: that pink tutu in the first episode was to show
[10:33] Speaker 4: I mean once they didn't want the first look to date,
[10:36] Speaker 4: but they wanted to show that Carrie in a way
[10:39] Speaker 4: had this princess affliction, almost as like Patricia Field would
[10:43] Speaker 4: put it, that she lives outside of the normal world,
[10:45] Speaker 4: that she doesn't dress appropriately and she kind of just
[10:48] Speaker 4: walks to her own style. Yeah, And I think once
[10:51] Speaker 4: they decided that was Carrie, then they then went around
[10:53] Speaker 4: and sort of put those feelings on every character, Like
[10:56] Speaker 4: Charlotte was very tailored and together, which is kind of
[10:59] Speaker 4: misleading later on because after Samantha, she does have the
[11:01] Speaker 4: most sex on the show. So I think it's kind
[11:03] Speaker 4: of like, you know that, well, there are kind of
[11:06] Speaker 4: tellies of how many inct so you're watching it like
[11:08] Speaker 4: she's out there in the world living it's so true
[11:10] Speaker 4: and proper behind the scenes. And then as she becomes
[11:13] Speaker 4: more confident over time, she becomes a bit more glamorous,
[11:16] Speaker 4: a bit less loafers, a bit more like kind of
[11:19] Speaker 4: Park Avenue princess.
[11:20] Speaker 2: So yes, I was going to stay still very kind
[11:21] Speaker 2: of prim and proper, Yeah, but with her sex angle
[11:24] Speaker 2: sometimes very like sort of feminine.
[11:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And then with Samantha in the earlier episodes,
[11:29] Speaker 4: I know she's older than the other characters, but she
[11:30] Speaker 4: almost does dress a little bit older, slightly dowdier. And
[11:34] Speaker 4: then again Daddy's wrong word, but like you know, knits.
[11:36] Speaker 1: Coats compared to what we see her evolve into exactly.
[11:39] Speaker 4: And then towards the end, season, she's all about a
[11:41] Speaker 4: really strong power suit and a huge accessory. And that's
[11:44] Speaker 4: not just to show that she's overtly sexual. It's also
[11:47] Speaker 4: because she's running this big business and she's seen as
[11:50] Speaker 4: a power player on the New York scene, so it's
[11:52] Speaker 4: kind of to show that, like she's a businesswoman as well.
[11:54] Speaker 2: Yes, and then Miranda, I guess, on the other hand,
[11:57] Speaker 2: he is a businesswoman, but more of what you think
[11:58] Speaker 2: is traditional business law.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Tell me about her.
[12:02] Speaker 4: I get she got the most ridicule when the chauf
[12:04] Speaker 4: first started for her fashion because I guess she had
[12:07] Speaker 4: that kind of like nineties working girl look of suits.
[12:10] Speaker 4: But it did look like, you know, like early in
[12:12] Speaker 4: your career. I don't know if you did this when
[12:13] Speaker 4: you worked in an office, so maybe because you're working
[12:14] Speaker 4: in a more of a glamorous place.
[12:16] Speaker 1: No, no, I did.
[12:16] Speaker 2: I thought, what do grown ups were? Yes, and I
[12:19] Speaker 2: think I went to que and that was before Q
[12:21] Speaker 2: was cool again or Jackie E. And I was like,
[12:24] Speaker 2: I'm going to buy me suit.
[12:25] Speaker 4: I would go to like somewhere that wasn't cool and
[12:27] Speaker 4: by like two different.
[12:29] Speaker 2: Black Laura, I'm forty three, Yes, me too, and then
[12:32] Speaker 2: trying to pretend it was it.
[12:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeap, So we can't sit the riunda where she's
[12:35] Speaker 4: dressing how she thinks the lawyer should dress. And she's
[12:37] Speaker 4: a lot of money, so it's not it's not super cheap,
[12:39] Speaker 4: but like wearing the sneakers with it. And then she's
[12:42] Speaker 4: the only one who had a real off duty weekend
[12:44] Speaker 4: look where she would go to their brunches in like
[12:46] Speaker 4: the overalls and the hoodie and all that sort of stuff.
[12:48] Speaker 4: But again, as time kind of passes, especially as we
[12:51] Speaker 4: see her become a again moved to Brooklyn and become
[12:54] Speaker 4: a mother, her look kind of softens. And that's why
[12:56] Speaker 4: I love in the last season that she's wearing a
[12:58] Speaker 4: lot of these beautiful autumn hues and like, and she's
[13:01] Speaker 4: still got her own style, but she's wearing like those
[13:03] Speaker 4: very plush jackets and things over a suit to kind
[13:06] Speaker 4: of show that she's dressing how she wants, but she
[13:09] Speaker 4: hasn't left old self behind, yes, like, yeah, exactly. I
[13:12] Speaker 4: just love how all of their outfits over the seasons,
[13:15] Speaker 4: even though different stylists coming and out, shows the evolution
[13:18] Speaker 4: of the characters in such a beautiful way.
[13:20] Speaker 2: And I guess if you watch it, you know, like
[13:22] Speaker 2: we did weekly when you couldn't really stream things or whatever.
[13:25] Speaker 2: It was so gradual we didn't really notice it. But
[13:27] Speaker 2: it's so interesting now with streaming or I mean, I
[13:29] Speaker 2: still have the box set of DVD.
[13:31] Speaker 4: I wish I hadn't got rid of Fine in the shoebox.
[13:34] Speaker 4: Have you? Oh my god, hold onto that. I know
[13:35] Speaker 4: so many people got rid.
[13:36] Speaker 1: Of them, and I don't know the DVD player, but
[13:40] Speaker 1: it's still streaming.
[13:41] Speaker 4: It's a cultural moment. That shoebox you mean to keep you.
[13:43] Speaker 1: I think I'm missing one disc.
[13:45] Speaker 2: But yeah, Now, if you'd like, you say you watched
[13:47] Speaker 2: the first episode in the first season, you can see
[13:49] Speaker 2: more rapid change. But that's not how it worked at
[13:52] Speaker 2: the time. You grew with them. You know, we watched
[13:54] Speaker 2: it weekly or whatever. But you know, it's strange to
[13:57] Speaker 2: watch someone grow up. If you do a binge of
[13:59] Speaker 2: over a week, it's not how TV was meant to be.
[14:02] Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yes, I so believe that anyone who
[14:04] Speaker 4: says they binged all of sex and scene a week,
[14:05] Speaker 4: I just feel like that is suckrilegious, because again, it's
[14:08] Speaker 4: one episode of you're meant to like live with it
[14:11] Speaker 4: and think about it and have it in your.
[14:12] Speaker 1: Home, miss them and want to catch up with them.
[14:14] Speaker 2: Yes, I'm glad you say that because I only ever
[14:16] Speaker 2: watch to an episode of a week of anything.
[14:17] Speaker 4: That's the correct way to watch TV.
[14:19] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[14:19] Speaker 1: I felt my God from you.
[14:20] Speaker 4: That means a lot.
[14:29] Speaker 2: Let's go back to carry for a second, because you
[14:31] Speaker 2: know main character, her style, you know, I mean almost
[14:36] Speaker 2: always prioritized fantasy or fashion overfunction. The amount of times
[14:42] Speaker 2: you would see her running around an entire city, and
[14:44] Speaker 2: in New York you walk everywhere. Although you know the
[14:47] Speaker 2: famous clips of her hailing a taxi and getting to
[14:49] Speaker 2: jump in the bags that held nothing maybe a tampon.
[14:53] Speaker 2: I must say today I wore a black bra under
[14:55] Speaker 2: this sheer thing because she was very carry, very carry.
[14:58] Speaker 2: But remember at the time, like, oh, you could see
[15:00] Speaker 2: her bra like a mistake.
[15:01] Speaker 4: The costumers had mucked up. And then Patriciavilde had to
[15:04] Speaker 4: come out and say, no, that's like part Carrie sees
[15:07] Speaker 4: her underwear is outerwear, and if even in an overly
[15:10] Speaker 4: sexual way, because the rest of her would be like
[15:12] Speaker 4: she'd be wearing this oversized skirt or like this weird bandanna.
[15:15] Speaker 4: So she almost had that old school man repeller vibe. Yeah,
[15:18] Speaker 4: with a bit of the brain.
[15:19] Speaker 1: But the original man.
[15:21] Speaker 4: Was and but it always felt it was for the girls,
[15:23] Speaker 4: not for the guys.
[15:24] Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean I think, well, I was gonna
[15:26] Speaker 2: say all of them, but maybe not. But I think,
[15:28] Speaker 2: like you say, she was one of the original sort
[15:30] Speaker 2: of man repellers. And I think to your point, the
[15:33] Speaker 2: fact that I'm wearing a black brother not you can
[15:34] Speaker 2: see much and she didn't have hers like pushed up
[15:36] Speaker 2: and out, but it was.
[15:37] Speaker 4: Just a little peak through.
[15:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I.
[15:39] Speaker 2: Think we don't realize how much permission that show gave
[15:42] Speaker 2: us to push the boundaries from what was before that,
[15:47] Speaker 2: because you know shows I was watching, you know around
[15:49] Speaker 2: the time of before was sort of like you Melrose Place,
[15:51] Speaker 2: you know, No. Two on and O's everything was out
[15:53] Speaker 2: of America really and we hadn't seen anything like that.
[15:57] Speaker 2: What do you think about some of those iconic looks
[15:59] Speaker 2: or unusual things that they wore thirty years ago has
[16:03] Speaker 2: influenced us now, Like did the kids even realize?
[16:06] Speaker 4: I think it's had a real resurgence, like you're hear
[16:08] Speaker 4: now about like GenZ and even like gen Alfha getting
[16:11] Speaker 4: into sex and the city in a way, and I
[16:12] Speaker 4: guess because it feels otherworldly. And also there is that
[16:15] Speaker 4: thing at the moment, because we're all so online, everyone's
[16:17] Speaker 4: style is starting to look very similar because we're all
[16:20] Speaker 4: looking at the same few blogs, we're looking at the
[16:22] Speaker 4: same photo.
[16:23] Speaker 2: Or we're liking something on the algorithm. The algorithm is
[16:26] Speaker 2: then sending us such a narrow view that you think
[16:28] Speaker 2: that's all there is, because you know, I was looking
[16:30] Speaker 2: for a certain type of pair of genes and I
[16:31] Speaker 2: was like, wow, there's no other you know, everything is
[16:34] Speaker 2: getting more narrow and narrow, and it was, and it's
[16:36] Speaker 2: already relatively narrow to begin with, because you know, with
[16:40] Speaker 2: online retailers, they have so much data about what cells
[16:42] Speaker 2: they make more of that. Then you algorithm gives you
[16:44] Speaker 2: more of that, and you feel like there's nothing else
[16:46] Speaker 2: out there exactly.
[16:47] Speaker 4: And that's why I do feel at the moment we're
[16:48] Speaker 4: kind of living in the death of personal style, which
[16:51] Speaker 4: is confronting. But I think in a way, Sex and
[16:53] Speaker 4: the City gave you permission to find your personal style.
[16:56] Speaker 4: And I know this might be a controversial take, but
[16:59] Speaker 4: I do feel like Carrie Bradshaw's style is very attainable,
[17:04] Speaker 4: not just aspirational, which I feel.
[17:06] Speaker 1: Talk to me about that and tell me why.
[17:08] Speaker 4: Well, I think because on the outside you're looking at
[17:10] Speaker 4: like these are designer pieces that normal people cannot afford.
[17:14] Speaker 4: And it's also on this woman who is conventionally thin
[17:17] Speaker 4: and attractive, and she was a ballerina for a long time.
[17:20] Speaker 4: She has a ballerina's body again, which is why she's
[17:22] Speaker 4: wearing the two tuo in the opening sequence. And you
[17:25] Speaker 4: know she has her hair bill alone for that blonde
[17:27] Speaker 4: and foils and the hair, en imagine, is literally more
[17:30] Speaker 4: than most people would paying a mortgage free year.
[17:32] Speaker 2: And also her lifestyle is a freelancer. You know, she's
[17:35] Speaker 2: like your part. You know, you often run from the
[17:37] Speaker 2: office quickly to an event in the three seconds she
[17:39] Speaker 2: has the time, and they're just like the freedom I
[17:43] Speaker 2: guess as that character, she.
[17:44] Speaker 4: Has so much time, Yeah, totally to.
[17:47] Speaker 1: Sit and wonder.
[17:48] Speaker 2: But I think you're right because I think, you know,
[17:51] Speaker 2: I've watched a resurgence that I haven't actually realized was
[17:54] Speaker 2: a lot. You know, a lot of influence came from this.
[17:56] Speaker 2: But for example, I'm wearing some vintage shoes because I
[17:59] Speaker 2: felt they were like quite cary. I think they were
[18:00] Speaker 2: sixteen dollars. Wow, my brass from Target. This is secondhand,
[18:04] Speaker 2: and so you can because it's not a look for
[18:08] Speaker 2: her particularly but even yeah, probably mostly for her. But
[18:12] Speaker 2: it's all a colectic, it's all kind of a stylish
[18:14] Speaker 2: but it doesn't match. And you that means you can
[18:17] Speaker 2: go into your wardrobe and find old things and pull
[18:20] Speaker 2: them out and mix and match them and just because
[18:22] Speaker 2: they're not Manalo Blanik or whatever she's wearing.
[18:25] Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that vibe right, exactly. It's not about the
[18:27] Speaker 4: designer clothes, it's the way she puts them together. And
[18:30] Speaker 4: I feel like that's when I first started to get
[18:32] Speaker 4: a bit interested in fashion, when I was a teenager
[18:34] Speaker 4: watching Sex and the City. And again, I'm living in Townsville,
[18:37] Speaker 4: which is tropical North Queensland. Could not be further away
[18:39] Speaker 4: from the streets of me.
[18:40] Speaker 1: Or do you even own like a jacket or anything?
[18:42] Speaker 4: No, because there's't bey one day a week in towns All.
[18:44] Speaker 4: We can wear a jacket when it's cool enough the rest.
[18:46] Speaker 1: Of the mean a whole year.
[18:47] Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much, it's tropical all year round, which is
[18:50] Speaker 4: be't great for me, but I would save up all
[18:52] Speaker 4: my pennies from working at the cash register a Kmart
[18:55] Speaker 4: and go and buy like a pearl necklace or a
[18:57] Speaker 4: lace skirt to put over something, or cowboy boots. And
[19:00] Speaker 4: again I had literally no where to go. I cannot
[19:02] Speaker 4: say that enough. I was going to like walk around
[19:03] Speaker 4: the shopping center with my friends or going to the
[19:05] Speaker 4: movies or something, because when you're sixteen, like you want
[19:07] Speaker 4: to go somewhere, but you have nowhere to go. And
[19:09] Speaker 4: I've felt like every day I would be putting these
[19:11] Speaker 4: outfits together on my bed and the accessories and things,
[19:14] Speaker 4: and I would wear heels out. Again at sixteen, I
[19:16] Speaker 4: had nowhere to go. But it's almost like Carrie Bradshaw
[19:19] Speaker 4: gave you permission to live in a fantasy. And even
[19:21] Speaker 4: if your fantasy things came from Target and Valley Girls,
[19:26] Speaker 4: lots of Valley Girls staff couldn't even afford Sports Girl
[19:28] Speaker 4: got it. And I think that stayed lay By now
[19:31] Speaker 4: exactly exactly for God. I had that six week payment
[19:34] Speaker 4: place because I needed it. And I think sometimes now
[19:37] Speaker 4: when I find myself also now that I kind of
[19:39] Speaker 4: have the job I fantasize at.
[19:40] Speaker 1: The time, kind of we both semi have a carried out.
[19:43] Speaker 4: I feel like so many people in our industry do.
[19:46] Speaker 4: Sometimes I think to myself, like living in the big city,
[19:48] Speaker 4: working in this glamorous job, and sometimes when I get
[19:51] Speaker 4: really tired and I feel like I just want to
[19:52] Speaker 4: pull on a whatever outfit, I think, what would sixteen
[19:56] Speaker 4: year old you think when she was watching Sex in
[19:58] Speaker 4: the City that you were leaving the house like that
[19:59] Speaker 4: when you finally have somewhere to go?
[20:01] Speaker 2: Yes, totally, I love that, but I think you know, yes,
[20:04] Speaker 2: you had nowhere to go. But sixteen year old you,
[20:08] Speaker 2: you clearly were a creative person. Look where you've landed
[20:10] Speaker 2: in your career, and so it was an outlet for
[20:12] Speaker 2: creativity exactly.
[20:13] Speaker 1: But then a lot of our.
[20:14] Speaker 2: Listeners don't have somewhere to go, is you know, as
[20:16] Speaker 2: a mother and as someone who works here part time.
[20:19] Speaker 2: But otherwise I'm schlepping around doing very mundane things. I'm
[20:23] Speaker 2: really trying not to save my special things and nowhere
[20:27] Speaker 2: to go. Sure I'm not wearing a ball gown and
[20:29] Speaker 2: definitely not at my age wearing six inch heels, but
[20:32] Speaker 2: I will wear something a little bit fish, you know.
[20:34] Speaker 4: And I think that's what Sex and the City has
[20:36] Speaker 4: taught us, because look at like some of Carrie's best
[20:38] Speaker 4: outfits is sitting at the diner having breakfast with their
[20:40] Speaker 4: friends on a Saturday even. I feel like one of
[20:43] Speaker 4: the moments that got the most ridiculed from the new
[20:45] Speaker 4: And just like that is where she's staying the night
[20:48] Speaker 4: at her apartment after BIG's death and she wakes up
[20:51] Speaker 4: in the morning and her coffee machine is broken, and
[20:53] Speaker 4: so she goes down the road to literally just grab
[20:55] Speaker 4: a coffee from a bodega and she's wearing a full
[20:58] Speaker 4: like chul maxi skirt with a train and a glittery bag.
[21:02] Speaker 4: And I just think that is what she would wear
[21:04] Speaker 4: to go get a coffee.
[21:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, that is what she because of her.
[21:06] Speaker 4: Comfort outfit and she felt good in it, and she
[21:08] Speaker 4: felt like that was her for the day.
[21:10] Speaker 2: And do you think because that occurred now, you know,
[21:12] Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, did you see any online
[21:15] Speaker 2: discourse saying someone grieving wouldn't do that?
[21:17] Speaker 4: There was so much I feel like people had forgotten
[21:19] Speaker 4: the world that they had craved to go back into.
[21:21] Speaker 4: Like everyone wanted to go back into the sextant City,
[21:23] Speaker 4: and when it came back, we're like, oh, she would
[21:25] Speaker 4: never wear that. First of all, if you go to
[21:27] Speaker 4: New York and walk around like the West Village and stuff.
[21:29] Speaker 4: You do see characters like that who were quintessentially New
[21:32] Speaker 4: York who live in these rent controlled apartments that they
[21:34] Speaker 4: could never afford, who buy these crazy clothes and they
[21:37] Speaker 4: do wear stuff like that to get coffee. And I'm like,
[21:40] Speaker 4: that's Carrie Bradshaw. She's you think of her as this
[21:42] Speaker 4: like fancy girl on TV, but at her heart, she
[21:44] Speaker 4: is just an eccentric New York woman with too much
[21:47] Speaker 4: time and money, and we love her for.
[21:48] Speaker 2: That and her ten percent. You know, she probably grabbed
[21:50] Speaker 2: her what was closest to the door. She doesn't have
[21:52] Speaker 2: old Lillu lemon leggings and so hould up track is
[21:54] Speaker 2: that's what she's got in her ten percent?
[21:56] Speaker 4: She'd have to go dig for the flats to find them.
[21:58] Speaker 4: She puts on her walking heels, as she says, I know,
[22:01] Speaker 4: and she walks a lot.
[22:03] Speaker 2: I had. I didn't know this, so if you can
[22:05] Speaker 2: tell me about it. Sarah Disika Barker has confirmed that
[22:08] Speaker 2: she had a clause in her country.
[22:09] Speaker 1: That allowed her to keep the outfits. Is this true?
[22:12] Speaker 4: That is one hundred percent true? So this yeah, yeah,
[22:14] Speaker 4: she has all of them. In an archive, and she
[22:17] Speaker 4: does loan them out every soften to events and movies
[22:22] Speaker 4: and things, and she says she's keeping them for her
[22:23] Speaker 4: twin daughters and so jealous of those.
[22:25] Speaker 1: Oh my god, they better make a museum.
[22:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so all those archival pieces that you
[22:30] Speaker 4: see in and just like that where that's why they
[22:32] Speaker 4: have all the clothing racks out where she says she's
[22:34] Speaker 4: sorting her clothes, and so you can see all the
[22:36] Speaker 4: pieces and they're all from her personal archive.
[22:39] Speaker 1: No way, isn't that just?
[22:40] Speaker 4: I also do feel that clause was potentially put in
[22:42] Speaker 4: before the big designers loaning Clay.
[22:45] Speaker 1: She is a baller.
[22:46] Speaker 2: I know she wanted to get out at the start,
[22:47] Speaker 2: but now that is so smart.
[22:49] Speaker 4: But once the show became so cultural elevant, then she
[22:52] Speaker 4: leaned in in a huge way and you became a
[22:54] Speaker 4: producer on the show and became all that sort of stuff.
[22:56] Speaker 4: And yeah, she had that clause written in. I think
[22:58] Speaker 4: it was again to kind of sweeten the deal because
[23:00] Speaker 4: she did want to leave. Yeah, and then once all
[23:03] Speaker 4: the designers started being like where are stuff? Yes, it
[23:05] Speaker 4: was just like the game.
[23:07] Speaker 1: I can't imagine anyone else playing but her.
[23:10] Speaker 4: No, not at all.
[23:11] Speaker 1: Isn't it funny how that.
[23:12] Speaker 2: Was like exciting doors moments you're just so glad that
[23:14] Speaker 2: they happened. I have to admit something, I have only
[23:18] Speaker 2: watched the first two seasons, even just like that, I
[23:20] Speaker 2: haven't watched the third one. I was in a panic
[23:23] Speaker 2: to catch up. But now that we know it's the
[23:24] Speaker 2: last I'm kind of savoring it, like that that chocolate
[23:27] Speaker 2: clear in the back of the fridge, or you know
[23:29] Speaker 2: that really good book you're saving for holidays. Yes, talk
[23:32] Speaker 2: to me about the last season and what have I missed,
[23:34] Speaker 2: and maybe some spoilers for people that haven't caught up,
[23:36] Speaker 2: But this is from a fashion perspective.
[23:38] Speaker 4: Yes, I won't go into sort of deep spoilers and
[23:40] Speaker 4: firs all, I think it's the right thing for you.
[23:41] Speaker 1: To save it because I'm excited now.
[23:43] Speaker 4: It's like Chillian glass of wine. We're not in the
[23:45] Speaker 4: mood for it.
[23:45] Speaker 2: You're not going to enjoy that, but you don't want
[23:47] Speaker 2: to open the bottle until you're ready.
[23:49] Speaker 4: Exactly one day you're going to reach for that treat
[23:51] Speaker 4: and it's going to be the perfect time. Yes. So
[23:53] Speaker 4: this season was a bit of a divisive one because
[23:55] Speaker 4: Carrie's outfits we're getting if we're going to talk from
[23:57] Speaker 4: a fashion yes, have been very pulled apart. I don't
[24:00] Speaker 4: know if you saw the images of her like out
[24:02] Speaker 4: and about having ice cream with Seama with a huge
[24:04] Speaker 4: kind of opulent hat.
[24:05] Speaker 1: Yes, that hat was a lot looked like a marshmallow
[24:07] Speaker 1: from it.
[24:07] Speaker 4: It was a huge I do think Sarah Jessica Parker,
[24:10] Speaker 4: like she takes a lot of criticism on the chin
[24:12] Speaker 4: for the show with that, she was not having it.
[24:14] Speaker 4: She's like that hat came from an artist. It is
[24:16] Speaker 4: a piece of art.
[24:17] Speaker 2: And she's really elevated, like she's made some designers whole career.
[24:21] Speaker 4: Is exactly I mean, even with Monolo's and stuff like,
[24:24] Speaker 4: she was the one who were like these are the
[24:26] Speaker 4: shoes I'm gonna or like the Fendi bagats and stuff like,
[24:28] Speaker 4: she was the one who picked them and brought them
[24:30] Speaker 4: into a bit more mainstream, which means more people were
[24:32] Speaker 4: buying them. But I do think that she's just in
[24:35] Speaker 4: a different place in her life from their original sex
[24:37] Speaker 4: and the city, and so her clothes should reflect that.
[24:39] Speaker 4: She is a multi multi millionaire woman because she has
[24:42] Speaker 4: the money from her books, but also all of B's
[24:45] Speaker 4: money in including the money that he was meant to
[24:47] Speaker 4: give to Natasha, which then carry kept, which is fair enough.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Cour she I mean, I half feel bad for Natasha.
[24:52] Speaker 1: She felt.
[24:54] Speaker 4: She doesn't need any Yeah, she has her own money,
[24:55] Speaker 4: as she said on the show. So I think we're
[24:57] Speaker 4: looking at this woman who's living in this mansion and
[25:00] Speaker 4: who has unlimited money, unlimited time, and her clothes should
[25:04] Speaker 4: reflect that. Just think if you had nothing but time
[25:06] Speaker 4: to sit around your huge house with unlimited money.
[25:08] Speaker 1: Yes, and it was already part of you, you do
[25:11] Speaker 1: your expression.
[25:12] Speaker 4: And I think it still kind of shows like in
[25:14] Speaker 4: this new season, we do see Carrie like attaching significance
[25:17] Speaker 4: to like a Vivian Westwood dress that she thought was
[25:20] Speaker 4: too special to wear, and then she wears when she
[25:22] Speaker 4: wants to go meet this writer she's got a crush
[25:24] Speaker 4: on because.
[25:24] Speaker 1: She she's learned the life is sure, yeah, and.
[25:27] Speaker 4: She's ready for the moment. And you see her again
[25:29] Speaker 4: go off in these like beautiful gowns to meet her
[25:32] Speaker 4: friends and very kind of big on the accessories, And
[25:35] Speaker 4: it does feel like it stays true to the Carrie
[25:37] Speaker 4: Bradshaw's style. It's just reflecting where she is now.
[25:39] Speaker 2: Right exactly and me as mid forties. Trust me, you
[25:41] Speaker 2: get to a point where you give zero FUCKX that
[25:43] Speaker 2: goes both ways. Sometimes it's literally attracksit that hasn't been
[25:46] Speaker 2: wa washed for three months, that I had a spraytang
[25:48] Speaker 2: in it. And sometimes it is a ball gown in
[25:50] Speaker 2: very coffee And I kind of like that. Before we
[25:53] Speaker 2: get into bougie and budget, can I ask you, did
[25:55] Speaker 2: you have a favorite character or do you have a
[25:58] Speaker 2: favorite character and has it changed through their thirty years?
[26:01] Speaker 4: Oh? I mean it's hard because I loved all of
[26:05] Speaker 4: them from the start, which I feel is like just
[26:07] Speaker 4: maybe like a goody two shoes answer that I loved.
[26:10] Speaker 4: I loved like Charlotte's romanticism for the world. I love
[26:13] Speaker 4: Miranda's smarts. And again, I think Samantha is the best
[26:16] Speaker 4: friend you could have. But I do relate to carry
[26:20] Speaker 4: the most.
[26:20] Speaker 1: But about fashion wise.
[26:22] Speaker 4: Passion wise, oh I wish. I mean again, I've tried
[26:24] Speaker 4: to dress like Carry over the years in a way,
[26:27] Speaker 4: I don't think my taste is that eclectic. I think
[26:29] Speaker 4: more of a Samantha. I think it's like power Blazer, Yeah,
[26:31] Speaker 4: I see that for series. I think that kind of
[26:34] Speaker 4: power dressing is what I relate to the most, and
[26:37] Speaker 4: also at the end of the day most comfortable. She's
[26:39] Speaker 4: often in a suit and I was like, that woman can.
[26:40] Speaker 2: Move, Yeah, totally, and a bold accessory you added on
[26:43] Speaker 2: and it looks like you put so much effort. Mine has
[26:45] Speaker 2: to be Miranda, not in just like that, not because
[26:49] Speaker 2: of everything that happened with her then, but in Sex
[26:52] Speaker 2: and the City. I just and maybe now because that
[26:54] Speaker 2: whole kind of nineties and Hite two K's having a resurgence.
[26:58] Speaker 2: It maybe was a bit daggy back then, but I
[27:00] Speaker 2: don't know, Like it's just I just loved Miranda, and
[27:04] Speaker 2: I love what you are and I will always love her.
[27:07] Speaker 2: I love that.
[27:08] Speaker 4: I love that Miranda had a puge Riss surgeons with
[27:10] Speaker 4: that we should like with every outfit girls writing that
[27:12] Speaker 4: we shall be Miranda's and all of a sudden everyone
[27:13] Speaker 4: loved her. Do you have a favorite Miranda look or
[27:16] Speaker 4: a favorite season?
[27:17] Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean I love I just love Steve.
[27:20] Speaker 1: I think, I just like, I.
[27:22] Speaker 4: Actually just want to be Miranda and marry Steve.
[27:24] Speaker 2: I know, but then do I And then he gets
[27:26] Speaker 2: really fit. She's I can't remember exactly what it was,
[27:28] Speaker 2: but there was a few kind of brown blazes she
[27:30] Speaker 2: wore just from what I remember, some good knits.
[27:33] Speaker 1: Like you said as.
[27:34] Speaker 4: Well, I just autumn tone. She always looks gorgeous.
[27:37] Speaker 2: Look if I could play with any of their wardrobes,
[27:39] Speaker 2: I wouldn't say no.
[27:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's very expensive. How wondre.
[27:56] Speaker 2: Onto boogie and budget, my friend? So our vibe for
[28:00] Speaker 2: this episode is Sex and the City. Inspired something we
[28:03] Speaker 2: might have bought in the past, or looking at, or
[28:05] Speaker 2: just something that you know, Like you say, inspired by
[28:09] Speaker 2: Sex and the City, you can get to your fancy
[28:11] Speaker 2: events after work.
[28:12] Speaker 1: I want to start with your bougie or your budget.
[28:14] Speaker 4: I stuff my budget because I'll say, my bougie is
[28:16] Speaker 4: like the dessert. Yes, love it.
[28:18] Speaker 1: What's your budget?
[28:19] Speaker 4: So it's a skirt that I've recently purchased a second
[28:22] Speaker 4: one off. So I bought this skirt a few years ago.
[28:24] Speaker 4: And talking about the ten percent that you reached for
[28:26] Speaker 4: in your closet, I've reached this multiple times a day
[28:29] Speaker 4: to the point where when I do have to wash it,
[28:32] Speaker 4: I'm sometimes in a panic. So recently the other day
[28:34] Speaker 4: I bought another one. I'm also like, what if it
[28:35] Speaker 4: gets lost on a plane or something, and I.
[28:37] Speaker 3: Don't have it.
[28:38] Speaker 4: So it's the Solar skirt. So it's a long black
[28:40] Speaker 4: Maxi skirt from an Australian label called Fate very Size Inclusive.
[28:44] Speaker 4: They got to a size twenty four. Their stuff is
[28:46] Speaker 4: lovely and at the outset you might think like, oh,
[28:48] Speaker 4: a black Maxi skirt, that's not that Sex and the City.
[28:51] Speaker 4: But why I kind of And I guess it's also
[28:54] Speaker 4: something that all the different characters would wear. But the
[28:56] Speaker 4: reason I call it my Sex and the City piece
[28:58] Speaker 4: is that I use it to layer. It's almost not
[29:01] Speaker 4: those pieces that kind of fades away to nothing where
[29:03] Speaker 4: I layer, like the really fancy tops and the glittery
[29:05] Speaker 4: heels and the blazing right foundation. It's the foundation piece.
[29:08] Speaker 2: So yes, for your job, I have to just tell you.
[29:11] Speaker 2: There's an Australian brand called Dirt. It's kind of like
[29:14] Speaker 2: a fabreeze, but it's fancier and it smells like perfume.
[29:17] Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
[29:18] Speaker 2: And it's antibacterial as well. It's meant to be a
[29:20] Speaker 2: travel spray for when you want to weave you go again.
[29:22] Speaker 2: Everything of mine is dirted. It doesn't sound very sexy
[29:25] Speaker 2: as a brand. We'll put a link in the show
[29:27] Speaker 2: notes the amount of jackets I disprayed the pits or something.
[29:30] Speaker 2: You know. I pull it up a wash and I go, oh,
[29:32] Speaker 2: need to like it's filthy.
[29:34] Speaker 4: But yeah, we just in one more. You just in
[29:36] Speaker 4: one more wear.
[29:37] Speaker 2: That will change your life. Add that to your work order.
[29:39] Speaker 2: Will Oh, yeah, it's very good. Good tip, all right,
[29:41] Speaker 2: my budget. Look, it's not that cheap, but it was
[29:44] Speaker 2: worn by Carrie in season two. She wore a very
[29:48] Speaker 2: iconic light blue, one shoulder kind of rouchey dress. The
[29:54] Speaker 2: designer is normal Kmalie, and you can get it in
[29:57] Speaker 2: literally any color. About eight years ago, I bought it
[30:00] Speaker 2: on the out net when was on sale in lime green.
[30:04] Speaker 2: Don't ask me why. I think that color is particularly discounted,
[30:07] Speaker 2: and that's all I could afford at the time.
[30:09] Speaker 1: But it's still around.
[30:10] Speaker 2: You can get it for about one hundred and fifty
[30:11] Speaker 2: bucks on the outmet. It's on Netaporter at the moment.
[30:15] Speaker 2: They make it every single season in a jersey and
[30:19] Speaker 2: then sort of more of a slinky one. You can
[30:20] Speaker 2: even get it in a leather. So originally it's about
[30:23] Speaker 2: four hundred, you can get for like one hundred one hundred.
[30:25] Speaker 1: And fifty dollars. I've still got it.
[30:27] Speaker 2: It's got a built in body suit leg thingy, not
[30:31] Speaker 2: size inclusive. From what I believe, it's French sizing, but
[30:34] Speaker 2: I'll have it forever. I've actually tried to wear it
[30:37] Speaker 2: recently again, but then I don't know. Maybe now that
[30:39] Speaker 2: we're back in this vibe, I love it. I just
[30:41] Speaker 2: we shouldn't get the green. But she wore it in
[30:43] Speaker 2: season two, which would have been washed nineteen ninety eight. Yes,
[30:47] Speaker 2: and normal Kamali is still making it. Oh.
[30:49] Speaker 4: I love that. A truly timeless fashion.
[30:51] Speaker 2: I'm going to put in my archive, like with three
[30:53] Speaker 2: other things like sjp's massive archive.
[30:56] Speaker 1: All right, what's your bougie.
[30:57] Speaker 4: This is a new brand that's only come out in
[30:59] Speaker 4: the last year and it's called a Range and I
[31:01] Speaker 4: buy it fire asos, so unfortunately you can't try it on.
[31:04] Speaker 4: It's a UK brand, but it is the first time
[31:06] Speaker 4: I found a brand of plus size and they do
[31:08] Speaker 4: street sizing twos so through from a six to a thirty.
[31:11] Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's impressive and just very these.
[31:13] Speaker 4: Very opulent fashion moments like beautiful studded gowns, lace scowns,
[31:18] Speaker 4: sequence skirts, so It's a very opulent range, and the
[31:20] Speaker 4: first time I've seen sort of Sex and the City
[31:23] Speaker 4: inspired clothes from a size six through to a size
[31:26] Speaker 4: thirty at a fairly reasonable price point from what it is.
[31:30] Speaker 4: You know, some of the pieces are at four hundred,
[31:32] Speaker 4: five hundred dollars and then some of them more around
[31:34] Speaker 4: one hundred dollars range. But they have these like beautiful
[31:37] Speaker 4: kind of studded gowns and like silk gowns and beautiful
[31:40] Speaker 4: lace tops, and this gold sequence skirt that is just
[31:45] Speaker 4: the this Sex and the City dream. I've always had
[31:47] Speaker 4: to wear something that opulent behind it.
[31:50] Speaker 1: I'm saying, you've bought a dress, I gonna buy the skirt.
[31:53] Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna buy the skirt. It's so wildly
[31:55] Speaker 4: and practical. But I also just think I'm gonna wear
[31:58] Speaker 4: it to the office with like a white T shirt.
[32:00] Speaker 1: You have the most glamorous job.
[32:02] Speaker 4: I'm just gonna wear it to my next Don could
[32:04] Speaker 4: be more dressed up than the movie star I'm chatting to.
[32:06] Speaker 4: So again, they have really beautiful basics and things, but
[32:08] Speaker 4: I think it is the I bought this like studded
[32:11] Speaker 4: kind of like a lime green long sleeved gown and
[32:15] Speaker 4: all of these just really beautiful pieces that just weren't available.
[32:18] Speaker 4: So and I'm finding the quality from the pieces I
[32:21] Speaker 4: bought so far from that I've bought like a lace
[32:22] Speaker 4: top and a lace stress. The quality really beautiful, the
[32:25] Speaker 4: fit really beautiful. It's lovely to be able to size
[32:28] Speaker 4: up and down if you need, and just to like
[32:30] Speaker 4: wear something so special that feels like it came from
[32:33] Speaker 4: a designer showroom.
[32:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:34] Speaker 4: So Arrange is the.
[32:35] Speaker 2: Brand change and it's on Aesos. Yes, amazing. Oh my god,
[32:38] Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to have a look. I mean, you
[32:39] Speaker 2: show me a few pictures.
[32:40] Speaker 4: I need to see that. I got too excited.
[32:42] Speaker 1: No, I love it.
[32:42] Speaker 2: Okay, my bougie, I would never buy, but I just
[32:46] Speaker 2: am fascinated and loved it. And it's horrific and awful
[32:49] Speaker 2: and so ugly.
[32:51] Speaker 1: The J. W.
[32:52] Speaker 2: Anderson Pigeon clutch. Yes, so Kerry had this in season
[32:57] Speaker 2: two and just like that.
[32:59] Speaker 1: I love J. W. Andison.
[33:01] Speaker 2: He is a phenomenal designer and I have a few
[33:03] Speaker 2: bags of his before he became cool. When they're about
[33:08] Speaker 2: six hundred dollars, but then I'd wait for them to
[33:09] Speaker 2: on the outnet and by the color. No one onted
[33:11] Speaker 2: with freeh then she you know he's now he's the
[33:15] Speaker 2: designer of Dior or something. Now one of the big
[33:17] Speaker 2: ones often does a collaboration with Uniclow there's one at
[33:20] Speaker 2: the moment. But this pigeon bag is exactly as it sounds,
[33:25] Speaker 2: a small, hard, almost like statue of a pigeon with
[33:29] Speaker 2: a small little bit that opens and you can put
[33:31] Speaker 2: like one key and maybe a left liner in it.
[33:33] Speaker 2: So impractical, but I think it speaks to where Carrie
[33:37] Speaker 2: was at that point, Like, you know, she had lots
[33:40] Speaker 2: of money, she didn't really need to carry anything. Carrie
[33:42] Speaker 2: famously never really liked a phone. She didn't have to
[33:44] Speaker 2: fit a phone in there. No, but it's you know,
[33:47] Speaker 2: well over a thousand dollars. Then, strangely, given the name JWP,
[33:51] Speaker 2: which is another designer I like that makes more affordable bags,
[33:54] Speaker 2: has done an almost exact tube for a couple of
[33:57] Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Confusing, there's two JW's there, and also does
[34:02] Speaker 2: a cat, a unicorn. You know, lots of different strange
[34:06] Speaker 2: animal bags, but we're seeing a huge resurgence of these
[34:09] Speaker 2: almost fantastical character to of bags and it's just a
[34:13] Speaker 2: bit of joy after you know, a lot of seriousness
[34:16] Speaker 2: in the world, and you know the quiet luxury trend,
[34:19] Speaker 2: which was lovely and I, you know, I dress quite classically,
[34:22] Speaker 2: but it's a bit boring. I just love looking at
[34:24] Speaker 2: these things exactly. I'm never gonna buy it. I just
[34:26] Speaker 2: think it's kind of ridiculous, But I love that there's
[34:30] Speaker 2: art out there in fashion. And if you don't want
[34:33] Speaker 2: either of those, but you want to get on the
[34:34] Speaker 2: bag charm trend because everyone's wearing sort of bag charms,
[34:38] Speaker 2: get your regular good old black bag.
[34:40] Speaker 1: And then there's this really.
[34:41] Speaker 2: Cute pigeon caring on Amazon and it's cheapest chips. So
[34:44] Speaker 2: we're gonna put all of those in the show notes.
[34:46] Speaker 2: But if you want a pigeon to carry in some form,
[34:49] Speaker 2: you've got three options.
[34:50] Speaker 4: Well I kind of do now. Well, so much joy
[34:54] Speaker 4: to carry a tiny pigeon in your hands.
[34:56] Speaker 2: As long as it's not a life like that woman
[34:59] Speaker 2: who kidnapped Love Seagull. Yeah, Laura, Oh my gosh, it's
[35:02] Speaker 2: such a wealth of knowledge. I do not know how
[35:04] Speaker 2: you fit all of that in your brain for every
[35:06] Speaker 2: show and movie, and it's just phenomenal. So thank you
[35:09] Speaker 2: for joining. That was awesome.
[35:10] Speaker 4: Oh thanks for having me to talk about the greatest
[35:12] Speaker 4: show on TV.
[35:14] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me, and don't forget.
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