# Beauty Bonus: Hair Training Is A Myth & Our Reverse Eyeliner Reality Check

An episode of [Nothing To Wear](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1589394895), 3 Aug 2025, 22 min.

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Think you need to wash your hair less to keep it healthy? Leigh & Kelly are here to burst that bubble! They're tackling how often you should actually be washing fine, oily hair. Spoiler alert: wash it as much as you bloody want! From debunking the "hair training" myth to sharing their holy grail products, they're serving up real talk about why your hair doesn't need the same love as your skin. Then they're diving into reverse eyeliner - that dramatic bottom lash line emphasis all over your Instagram feed. Kelly attempts it (and immediately regrets it), while Leigh explains why this runway trend might not be your everyday go-to. LINKS TO EVERYTHING MENTIONED: My Soda Australia Balanced Shampoo and Conditioner (for oily-prone hair) $10.00 John Frieda Profiller Thickening Shampoo $20.99 John Frieda Profiller Thickening Conditioner $20.99 Garnier Fructis Coconut Water Shampoo for Oily Roots and Dry Ends $16.99 Batiste Dry Shampoo $10.00 Makeup by Mario Master Pigment Pro Pencil - Super Black $47.00 Lovebasiq Smudge Wipes FOR MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM: Watch & Subscribe on Youtube here Follow us on Instagram: @youbeautypodcast Follow us on TikTok: @youbeautypod Join our You Beauty Facebook Group here For our product recommendations, exclusive beauty news, reviews, articles, deals and much more - sign up for our free You Beauty weekly newsletter here Subscribe to Mamamia here GET IN TOUCH: Got a beauty question you want answered? Email us at youbeauty@mamamia.com.au or send us a voice message, and one of our Podcast Producers will come back to you ASAP. You Beauty is a podcast by Mamamia. Listen to more Mamamia podcasts here. CREDITS: Hosts: Leigh Campbell & Kelly McCarren Producer: Mollie Harwood & Sophie Campbell Audio Producer: Tina Matolov Video Producer: Marlena Cacciotti Mamamia's studios are furnished with thanks to Fenton & Fenton. For more head to their website here. Just so you know — some of the product links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping! Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:10] Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
[0:13] Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
[0:17] Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hi friends, Lee here,
[0:21] Speaker 2: and I'm giving you another episode of Your Beauty because
[0:23] Speaker 2: each week we answer two questions, but this episode in
[0:26] Speaker 2: particular features a question we get asked time and time
[0:29] Speaker 2: and time and time and time again, so we're answering
[0:31] Speaker 2: it and maybe it's a question you've wondered too. Enjoy
[0:35] Speaker 2: makeup is my therapy.
[0:38] Speaker 3: Love.
[0:38] Speaker 2: I'm obsess and I don't even feel jailty body. Hello,
[0:44] Speaker 2: and welcome to Your Beauty, the podcast for your Face.
[0:46] Speaker 2: I'm Lee Camber, I'm Kelly McCarron and I have very
[0:50] Speaker 2: dry scale legs today, but we're not going to look
[0:51] Speaker 2: at those because I'm wearing a T shirt that says
[0:53] Speaker 2: I love past stuff. No wa, what does it say?
[0:55] Speaker 2: How good is past stuf?
[0:56] Speaker 1: Which you know? The best?
[0:58] Speaker 2: The best? So no one look at my legs. Everyone
[1:00] Speaker 2: look at my T shirt and let's do some beauty stuff.
[1:04] Speaker 2: How are you?
[1:04] Speaker 1: I'm good?
[1:05] Speaker 3: But I do have something funny to read you. Okay,
[1:08] Speaker 3: we have a review. Oh the vibes are off.
[1:13] Speaker 1: This was left on Apple Podcast for years.
[1:16] Speaker 3: Do look at those sometimes? Yeah, oh god, lock of
[1:18] Speaker 3: a punishment.
[1:19] Speaker 2: That's the bit of people.
[1:21] Speaker 3: No, I mean, except unless you've given us a lovely review.
[1:24] Speaker 3: But also like, I just think that they're quite funny.
[1:26] Speaker 3: I've got very thick skin, so I can deal with it.
[1:29] Speaker 3: Lee and Kelly's dislike for each.
[1:31] Speaker 1: Other is palpable.
[1:33] Speaker 3: We get this a lot, actually helpable. Well, I have
[1:35] Speaker 3: a reason, but let me finish this first. It's so
[1:38] Speaker 3: awkward to listen to used to love, but it's really
[1:41] Speaker 3: awkward listening now. Exclamation point palpable. My dislike for you
[1:46] Speaker 3: apparently palpable.
[1:48] Speaker 2: I have a theory fabulous.
[1:51] Speaker 3: Lately, I think my thing is the more I know
[1:54] Speaker 3: someone unlike them, the meaner I am to them.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Generally. Yeah, so I reckon if it's a long time listener.
[2:01] Speaker 3: When we were like overly nice and place to each
[2:04] Speaker 3: other colleagues, we didn't know each.
[2:06] Speaker 2: Other that well. Now you come over to my house,
[2:08] Speaker 2: you can put pat on, you clean my ward.
[2:10] Speaker 1: We'll tell each other off for different things.
[2:11] Speaker 2: I give you clothes for Lenny. We just text each other.
[2:14] Speaker 3: One random or rant about different But also what makes
[2:18] Speaker 3: content good is not that we try to it on purpose,
[2:20] Speaker 3: but you won't to have a bit of tension because
[2:22] Speaker 3: if you were both just like yeah, Joply, I love
[2:25] Speaker 3: that product too, that would be so boring.
[2:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, So I'd just like to say on
[2:31] Speaker 2: the record, lol, and we are very very good friends.
[2:35] Speaker 2: We next every single day.
[2:36] Speaker 3: I assure you, my love for the woman has never
[2:39] Speaker 3: been more intense, if not less, maybe, which is maybe
[2:43] Speaker 3: why I'm mean to it.
[2:44] Speaker 2: Maybe it was my friends. I read a study recently
[2:48] Speaker 2: that says if you neg your friends and super close.
[2:51] Speaker 3: If you troll like I troll you often when I
[2:54] Speaker 3: get teasing you about your francois.
[2:56] Speaker 1: Yes, that's life.
[2:57] Speaker 2: And how old I am that I can't work?
[3:00] Speaker 1: That is love Anyway, that's.
[3:02] Speaker 2: A bit of a BTS. Don't forget about YouTube. So
[3:05] Speaker 2: now you can watch us. There's a whole Mum and
[3:07] Speaker 2: mea YouTube channel. But then there's a new beauty YouTube
[3:10] Speaker 2: channel that you can just go and see us straight up,
[3:12] Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't you want to? It's at You Beauty
[3:14] Speaker 2: podcast on YouTube, So go watch us. But of course
[3:16] Speaker 2: we're still in your ears now. Today we answer to questions,
[3:19] Speaker 2: We've got two really good ones.
[3:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, it was quite funny though, I was like, yeah,
[3:23] Speaker 3: they've got short questions day and Lee said, no, I've
[3:25] Speaker 3: got big lists.
[3:26] Speaker 1: You love a list.
[3:27] Speaker 2: Well, I like to answer the question.
[3:29] Speaker 1: I just bought in one product.
[3:31] Speaker 2: Oh good oath.
[3:32] Speaker 1: I couldn't help, but Wonder asked me anything you ask
[3:35] Speaker 1: any questions. So LAMB has sent us a DM.
[3:39] Speaker 3: Hi. Girls, I'm so confused about how often I should
[3:42] Speaker 3: be washing my hair. I've got fine, oily hair, and
[3:45] Speaker 3: I feel like I need to wash it every day,
[3:47] Speaker 3: but everyone keeps telling me that's bad for it. My
[3:50] Speaker 3: hairdresser says every second day, my mom says twice a week,
[3:53] Speaker 3: and TikTok is telling me to try hair training and
[3:56] Speaker 3: go longer between washers. I'm so overwhelmed. What's the actual
[4:00] Speaker 3: answer and does it change with different hair types?
[4:04] Speaker 2: See?
[4:04] Speaker 1: My answer for that is simply do whatever you please.
[4:07] Speaker 2: Ye I love. I have very fine hair, believe it
[4:11] Speaker 2: or not. I just have so much of it. I
[4:12] Speaker 2: often get DMS saying, wow, your hair's so thick and volumess.
[4:16] Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I've just got same butt loads of it.
[4:18] Speaker 2: And guess what, I'm forty three now in my twenties,
[4:20] Speaker 2: I double this amount of hair. It'll it's all downhill,
[4:23] Speaker 2: so every single strand is fine. But I've got a
[4:25] Speaker 2: lot of it. And I'm an oily, oily mofo. So lamb.
[4:30] Speaker 2: I've been on this journey. I've tried hair training. I've
[4:33] Speaker 2: told myself that it worked, it doesn't work, or I
[4:37] Speaker 2: just don't like the feeling.
[4:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, yuck.
[4:39] Speaker 2: I washed my hair five times a week, let's say,
[4:43] Speaker 2: and then maybe you know if it's a Friday night
[4:45] Speaker 2: and I'm not doing anything. Honest, I'm a morning hair washer.
[4:48] Speaker 2: You're usually a night hair washer.
[4:49] Speaker 3: Oh, I usually do it during the day when I'm
[4:51] Speaker 3: working from Oh that's clever.
[4:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I have to Otherwise you have to
[4:56] Speaker 1: blow dry it.
[4:57] Speaker 3: Because now I'm I'm officially grown up and I don't
[5:00] Speaker 3: just let my hair air dry anymore because I know that.
[5:03] Speaker 2: It Guess what I did last night because we had
[5:06] Speaker 2: an early start this morning, and I needed to do
[5:07] Speaker 2: my roots because it's a whole love She's cheery, ut
[5:10] Speaker 2: trick and gray correct. So I colored my roots, washed
[5:13] Speaker 2: my hair. But it was bedtime. I went to bed
[5:15] Speaker 2: with wet hair, which is naughty. But I just went
[5:16] Speaker 2: sent apart two little pigtails so I could sleep like that,
[5:19] Speaker 2: because if I slept with it, well, it's almost too
[5:21] Speaker 2: short to stay in a one thing. But if I
[5:24] Speaker 2: slept with it out, I wake up like a chicken,
[5:25] Speaker 2: like a yeah, so two little pigtails, and then when
[5:28] Speaker 2: I woke up, it was still a bit damn But
[5:29] Speaker 2: I could quickly dry it and do it. Yeah. But
[5:31] Speaker 2: normally anyway, normally I'm a morning washer. I would do
[5:35] Speaker 2: most mornings. Say it's a Sunday, we're not leaving the house,
[5:37] Speaker 2: so we just going to the park or whatever. I
[5:39] Speaker 2: will just whack it back or put a hat on.
[5:41] Speaker 2: But I washed my hair most mornings. You do you,
[5:44] Speaker 2: I want you to follow Abby Jung on Instagram. She's phenomenal.
[5:48] Speaker 2: She's a tricologist and she does a lot of really
[5:50] Speaker 2: great hair products, and she's very pro supermarket brands, which
[5:53] Speaker 2: I love because you know, the orbays of the world
[5:56] Speaker 2: are fantastic, very like, yeah, I need.
[5:59] Speaker 1: To mix it up a little bit.
[6:01] Speaker 2: You save your ABAYSBA. I don't know expensive occasions. Carastar's expensive,
[6:07] Speaker 2: but it's fine. I just think it is about what
[6:10] Speaker 2: the products are you're using, like eyechop and change, because
[6:13] Speaker 2: you've got to realize that your hair product is asking
[6:15] Speaker 2: your hair to do something. So if you're all using
[6:17] Speaker 2: smoothing and moisturizing, it's going to do that every time
[6:20] Speaker 2: you wash your hair, and then your hair will be
[6:22] Speaker 2: really smooth and moisturized. And for us fine hair oily girls,
[6:25] Speaker 2: that means it'll be too limp and flat and oily.
[6:29] Speaker 2: So you want to use a volumeizing product or like
[6:32] Speaker 2: a there's products for like oily roots, dry ends. And
[6:35] Speaker 2: also it all comes down to your scalp. So your
[6:37] Speaker 2: scalp's like an extension of your head, I mean your face,
[6:41] Speaker 2: and you want to make sure you're caring for your
[6:43] Speaker 2: scalp because you can kind of minimize the oil. But
[6:46] Speaker 2: if you're an oily person, you're an oily person. So
[6:48] Speaker 2: here's products I love and use. I didn't even mean
[6:51] Speaker 2: to do this, but a lot of them are from Woolies.
[6:53] Speaker 2: So there's a brand called my Soda Australia. It's balanced
[6:56] Speaker 2: shampoo and conditioner and it's for oily prone hair. It's
[6:59] Speaker 2: really good because what it does is obviously removes the
[7:02] Speaker 2: oil from the root and kind of if you use
[7:04] Speaker 2: that over time, the oil's like okay, okay, you want
[7:07] Speaker 2: me to go away? It's not going to change your
[7:09] Speaker 2: scalp type or hair type, but it's really good. One
[7:12] Speaker 2: I love so much. I just bought it. I think
[7:15] Speaker 2: it was in a while ago Priceline had the everything
[7:17] Speaker 2: ten dollar thing, like every shampoo conditions ten dollars. It's
[7:21] Speaker 2: the John frieda pro filler. It's like a volumizing, oh sorry,
[7:24] Speaker 2: thickening shampoo and conditioner for fine hair. So while it's
[7:27] Speaker 2: not for oily hair specifically, because we've got fine hair,
[7:31] Speaker 2: it kind of just gets more air in your hair
[7:33] Speaker 2: and so your hair doesn't feel so way down and
[7:36] Speaker 2: start to feel greasy. I always have that shampoo and
[7:38] Speaker 2: conditioner in my bathroom or a backup, but I'm chopping
[7:41] Speaker 2: and changing all the time. One more that I swear
[7:44] Speaker 2: we used to have here, but I don't know if
[7:45] Speaker 2: we do anymore. But I found it on Amazon. It's
[7:47] Speaker 2: called the Gannia Frucktus Coconut Water Shampoo for oily roots
[7:50] Speaker 2: and dry ends. So like, obviously the ends of your
[7:54] Speaker 2: hair aren't oily, but a product like that is fantastic.
[7:57] Speaker 2: And then in terms of dry shampoo, because you know
[8:00] Speaker 2: you're allowed to wash your hair every day, that's fine,
[8:02] Speaker 2: but if you don't want to remember a few weeks
[8:05] Speaker 2: months ago now the chloran for oily hair, yep, dry shampoo,
[8:09] Speaker 2: because I was saying I didn't really ever get the
[8:11] Speaker 2: chloran dry shampoo thing. And as a fine haired oily person,
[8:15] Speaker 2: sometimes dry shampoo just makes it feel dirty in another
[8:17] Speaker 2: way or really obvious. So the chloran, it's a green bottle,
[8:21] Speaker 2: it's got nettle something for oily hair, phenomenal, like really
[8:25] Speaker 2: does mop up the oil and make the star last
[8:28] Speaker 2: long without feeling that kind of gritty dirty instead of
[8:31] Speaker 2: greasy dirty. Yeah, so you do, you wash it as
[8:34] Speaker 2: much as you want. Also for me, because I used
[8:37] Speaker 2: to have long hair. Now that it's short, it's so
[8:40] Speaker 2: much easier to wash every day in star whereas it
[8:42] Speaker 2: used to be long, And so now you don't.
[8:43] Speaker 3: Feel like you're damaging it as bad because there's not
[8:45] Speaker 3: as much hair to be damaging totally.
[8:48] Speaker 2: And like the joy of being long was when it
[8:50] Speaker 2: was really dirty, I would just do a slip back bun,
[8:52] Speaker 2: which I can't really do, but it's fine. Just make
[8:54] Speaker 2: sure you're not using something too hydrating or too stripping. Yeah, Like,
[8:59] Speaker 2: don't use a clarifying shampoo every single no, but once
[9:01] Speaker 2: a week for us oily girls is fabulous because it's
[9:04] Speaker 2: going to lift off the dry shampoo, the oil.
[9:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
[9:08] Speaker 3: I have very similar hair, like I should. And when
[9:11] Speaker 3: I say should, if I don't wash my hair every
[9:13] Speaker 3: day and didn't use dry shampoo, it would be very yeah.
[9:17] Speaker 1: Like it's gross.
[9:18] Speaker 3: I washed my hair probably five times a fortnight. Okay,
[9:21] Speaker 3: so twice a week roughly, but like then I'll chuck
[9:24] Speaker 3: in an extra one on the weekends.
[9:25] Speaker 2: But how do you get away with it?
[9:26] Speaker 1: Because I use half a can of dry shampoo.
[9:29] Speaker 2: I got those friends and I'm like, yeah, he looks amazing,
[9:31] Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, thanks, that a blow draw like
[9:33] Speaker 2: four days ago.
[9:33] Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, no, no, yeah, I just And
[9:37] Speaker 3: it's simply because I don't hate the feeling of dry
[9:41] Speaker 3: shampoo like some of them I hate and I have
[9:43] Speaker 3: to wash out.
[9:44] Speaker 1: But a lot of them, even if I don't love it, like.
[9:47] Speaker 2: Iry shampoo this morning just to get a bit of
[9:50] Speaker 2: volume and juju, but not it wasn't to mop up oil.
[9:54] Speaker 2: It was just to go so it was a little bit.
[9:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, So I did it this morning to mop up
[9:59] Speaker 3: a lot of oil.
[10:00] Speaker 2: Because I don't not wash it it doesn't at all, but.
[10:02] Speaker 3: It also doesn't look super gritty, right, maybe that's not
[10:05] Speaker 3: it's just cool blonde hair.
[10:06] Speaker 1: That's quite damage.
[10:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, so chemical damage mean you probably want to wash
[10:11] Speaker 2: it less so you don't damage this stuff. And it
[10:14] Speaker 2: also looks more lived in textured anyway, because yes it is. Yeah,
[10:19] Speaker 2: but you want to wash it less in general if
[10:21] Speaker 2: you've lightened your hair or chemically treated it, because the
[10:24] Speaker 2: ends don't need all that. And now that I am
[10:27] Speaker 2: a grown up and blow dry my hair because I've
[10:29] Speaker 2: realized that my hair needs it in order to look presentable,
[10:33] Speaker 2: I don't want to do that every single day. Oh god, no,
[10:36] Speaker 2: i'd have the time or the energy for it.
[10:38] Speaker 3: But I do think that that is one of those
[10:40] Speaker 3: things where, I mean, everything with beauty is just you
[10:42] Speaker 3: do you, because it's just so personal and yeah, it
[10:45] Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
[10:46] Speaker 2: But also I think it's different for your hair. I mean,
[10:48] Speaker 2: obviously you've got a care for your scalp, but your
[10:50] Speaker 2: hair's dead, whereas your face is your skin is alive
[10:54] Speaker 2: and will react, whereas this is dead protein. Your hair
[10:56] Speaker 2: and your nails are dead protein that's literally growing out
[10:59] Speaker 2: of your body.
[10:59] Speaker 1: So exactly do.
[11:00] Speaker 2: What you want that's why TikTok. Don't listen to your
[11:03] Speaker 2: ha dresser, do like wash your hair whenever. Yeah, and
[11:05] Speaker 2: when a hair dress is like, oh my god, I
[11:06] Speaker 2: can't believe you color you hair at home, I'm like,
[11:08] Speaker 2: it's dead.
[11:08] Speaker 1: I'll do it quite.
[11:10] Speaker 3: You just don't want me to do it so that
[11:11] Speaker 3: I have to pay you to do it. Like, just
[11:14] Speaker 3: as Lee said, think about what products are using, so
[11:16] Speaker 3: you're not using the clarifying or really really nourishing because
[11:19] Speaker 3: that's just going to weigh it down.
[11:20] Speaker 1: But you do you.
[11:21] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[11:26] Speaker 2: So Jemima sent us a short and sharper DM of
[11:29] Speaker 2: which we have many thoughts. Well I do, Kelly and
[11:32] Speaker 2: Lee exclamation mark. What are your thoughts on reverse eyeliner?
[11:36] Speaker 2: Before you talk, can I explain what it is?
[11:39] Speaker 1: Yes?
[11:39] Speaker 2: Okay, So reverse eyeliner is essentially the emphasis and focus
[11:43] Speaker 2: on the bottom lash line or bottom like in a
[11:46] Speaker 2: rear or the underreye as opposed to the top. So
[11:49] Speaker 2: more traditionally.
[11:50] Speaker 1: Think of an eyeliner it's like a wing.
[11:53] Speaker 2: Yes. Well, traditionally we do the focus on the top
[11:55] Speaker 2: lash line, the top water line gauge. Yes, and so
[11:58] Speaker 2: reverse liner is the focus on the bottom, leaving the
[12:02] Speaker 2: top quite bare, so yeah, might not just it does
[12:05] Speaker 2: not bear, but you might just put a you know,
[12:09] Speaker 2: really new shade so the impact is on the bottom.
[12:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, and it can be really really pretty. I attempted
[12:16] Speaker 3: to do it this morning. I have done it a
[12:18] Speaker 3: couple of times before, and I do really like it.
[12:20] Speaker 3: But I was in a rush this morning and I
[12:22] Speaker 3: attempted to do it, and oh, my LURDI, so you've
[12:25] Speaker 3: removed it. No, I just like smodged it out and
[12:28] Speaker 3: then tried to blend it into the top of it.
[12:30] Speaker 2: What color black? Oh, I can't even see anything? Well,
[12:33] Speaker 2: I mean you look beautiful. Yeah.
[12:35] Speaker 3: I smudged like there was no tomorrow because I didn't
[12:36] Speaker 3: have time to take everything off because also then my
[12:39] Speaker 3: foundation was separating and I had five minutes to like.
[12:41] Speaker 1: To leave, and I was like, oh, for goodness sake.
[12:44] Speaker 3: What are you holding the one product that I do
[12:47] Speaker 3: use when I do want to do this. I had
[12:50] Speaker 3: two products at home. One of them is a tart
[12:52] Speaker 3: product that no longer exists, and this is the makeup
[12:55] Speaker 3: by Mario Master Pigment pro Pencil super Black.
[13:00] Speaker 1: It needs to be for me something that is so creamy.
[13:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And are you doing waterline or are you
[13:07] Speaker 3: doing like underneath like a wing out but then winging
[13:11] Speaker 3: up and then smodging it. It's just that I went
[13:15] Speaker 3: too low this morning and it was just too much
[13:17] Speaker 3: with everything else that was going on.
[13:19] Speaker 1: But it's also fun.
[13:20] Speaker 3: You could do it with a bold color as kind
[13:23] Speaker 3: of like a pop, but then I guess then it's.
[13:26] Speaker 1: A little bit ubstract to wing it out.
[13:28] Speaker 2: No, No, it's well, look I'm for me, Like the
[13:32] Speaker 2: answer is absolutely, you wouldn't do it. Oh my lord.
[13:34] Speaker 2: It's like it's very editorial. You see a lot of
[13:37] Speaker 2: on runways, you see it in photo shoots, and oftentimes
[13:40] Speaker 2: it's like a really kind of graphic stripe or smudgie
[13:42] Speaker 2: which is more wearable.
[13:43] Speaker 1: And they might go inwardly.
[13:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like that, so it sort of goes
[13:48] Speaker 3: it's like in and then out. So I think it
[13:51] Speaker 3: looks cool, but I think for the everyday person, I mean,
[13:55] Speaker 3: it depends on your eye shape. If you've got almond
[13:57] Speaker 3: eyes or large eyes, you can pull it off to
[14:00] Speaker 3: varying degrees. If you've got sort of hooded eyelids, which
[14:04] Speaker 3: I do at my age, or smaller eyes. It's just
[14:08] Speaker 3: the visual so because makes of all about light and
[14:11] Speaker 3: shade and how you emphasize.
[14:12] Speaker 2: It's kind of like conjuring for your eyes. When you
[14:14] Speaker 2: think about it, There's no way I could make it
[14:16] Speaker 2: look flattering for me. It would just make my eyes
[14:18] Speaker 2: look tired. Yeah, it would bring everything down. It drags
[14:23] Speaker 2: the whole face down. I mean maybe if I was
[14:25] Speaker 2: going to address up party or a makeup artist did
[14:27] Speaker 2: just doing it for an editorial. But I do nothing
[14:30] Speaker 2: on the lower lash line except for like that beautiful
[14:33] Speaker 2: inner rim creamy to make me look wide awake. If
[14:36] Speaker 2: I was, you know, getting my hair and makeup done
[14:38] Speaker 2: for something fancy, and a makeup artist did emphasis on
[14:41] Speaker 2: the top and the bottom and kind of did me
[14:43] Speaker 2: a smoky wingy, but I would never focus mostly on
[14:46] Speaker 2: the bottom, leaving the top almost bare. It just I
[14:49] Speaker 2: just think it doesn't suit most people. However, if you
[14:52] Speaker 2: want to try it.
[14:52] Speaker 1: Have fun like I did, and then just shmood it off.
[14:55] Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say, Like, get your
[14:56] Speaker 2: makeup out on a Sunday afternoon, have a plan and
[14:58] Speaker 2: see what you think of it. I'm also now I
[15:00] Speaker 2: wear glasses. That's a whole other thing. By the way,
[15:02] Speaker 2: we have to do an episode on makeup and glasses,
[15:05] Speaker 2: because guess what, I can't see my makeup when well,
[15:08] Speaker 2: I'm trying to do my eye makeup. I need those
[15:10] Speaker 2: flippy glasses.
[15:11] Speaker 1: Oh, you just need a magnifying mirror.
[15:13] Speaker 2: You told me that that's too scary.
[15:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I forgot about the whole glasses thing.
[15:18] Speaker 2: Yes, but look like, don't do it right before you're
[15:20] Speaker 2: going to your friend's birthday party. Get your stuff out,
[15:23] Speaker 2: have a place see if you like it. But I'm
[15:24] Speaker 2: also an eye rubber and I also have to fix
[15:26] Speaker 2: my concealer under my eyes. It does. It's more high maintenance.
[15:30] Speaker 2: It can look very cool, but for me, I mean
[15:32] Speaker 2: you've just said, what are your thoughts, I'm like, that's
[15:34] Speaker 2: great that it exists. I will never do it.
[15:36] Speaker 3: I will totally have fun and try it do. I
[15:39] Speaker 3: think it is for everyone. Well, if you want to
[15:41] Speaker 3: give it a go, give it a go. However, it's
[15:43] Speaker 3: one of those things that you probably want to master
[15:45] Speaker 3: at home before you venture out in public. Yeah, with
[15:48] Speaker 3: a giant black line, yeah dry.
[15:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be cute though.
[15:52] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[15:53] Speaker 2: I want to know if any of the Ubis.
[15:54] Speaker 3: Do that reverse on the rag as part of their
[15:56] Speaker 3: everyday look. Yeah, we want to see if only soften it,
[15:59] Speaker 3: I could do like a softy smoky But I figure
[16:01] Speaker 3: she's talking.
[16:02] Speaker 2: Like liner.
[16:11] Speaker 1: Time for beauty bye.
[16:14] Speaker 2: Oh my god, please don'n't. What is wrong with us?
[16:17] Speaker 2: Yeah no. Also, there's that yummy snack called beauty bites.
[16:20] Speaker 2: It's like those collagen bars.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Someone, it's a crumbled doue.
[16:22] Speaker 2: They should sponsor us.
[16:23] Speaker 1: They're yummy.
[16:25] Speaker 2: Mine is an Instagram ad that stalked me. Won the battle,
[16:29] Speaker 2: and I'm so glad. We both of us are suckers,
[16:32] Speaker 2: but this is a good one.
[16:33] Speaker 3: Not oh yeah, but both of us are suckers for
[16:35] Speaker 3: seeing something online and then shopping for it even though
[16:37] Speaker 3: we've never heard of it before.
[16:38] Speaker 2: This is it. It's called love Basics. So I host a
[16:42] Speaker 2: beauty podcast, as if you didn't know, and I, you know,
[16:45] Speaker 2: have been in the beauty industry testing makeup for a
[16:47] Speaker 2: long time. I also host a fashion podcast, so this
[16:50] Speaker 2: could go across both. And I also love a white
[16:53] Speaker 2: T shirt. How smart is this? Smudged it, wipe it,
[16:57] Speaker 2: wear it sligh lifts make up off your clothes in seconds.
[17:01] Speaker 1: Stop stop stop no, yes, yes.
[17:04] Speaker 2: Yes, so good. So it's an Aussie brand. I believe
[17:06] Speaker 2: I'll give you some. So you know, we also get
[17:09] Speaker 2: changed a lot in the office, sometimes for different various things.
[17:12] Speaker 2: So you've got these little sch cool packaging. You go,
[17:15] Speaker 2: oh shit, got my foundational life. I'm a collar and
[17:17] Speaker 2: I don't have another top. I'm gonna ruin one just
[17:20] Speaker 2: to show you.
[17:20] Speaker 1: No, no, no, can we do a test?
[17:22] Speaker 2: Well, I'm not gonna have. I already got makeup on
[17:24] Speaker 2: my top.
[17:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but you if they.
[17:25] Speaker 2: Work, Ah, they work, I promise. So you've got like
[17:30] Speaker 2: an ex Foley eighty side, yeah, and then a smooth side,
[17:33] Speaker 2: so you just get the thing. I do have a
[17:34] Speaker 2: few stays on my jeans, I realized, but I don't
[17:36] Speaker 2: know if I don't know if that's the design or
[17:39] Speaker 2: did I get that all real dirty? No, it's that
[17:41] Speaker 2: that's the denim. So you literally go shit and then
[17:44] Speaker 2: you wipe. I mostly exclusively wear white shirts. I should
[17:47] Speaker 2: have my own white t ship, right, But it works
[17:49] Speaker 2: kind of on anything. So you've got makeup on something
[17:51] Speaker 2: or even toothpaste, like you know, when you've got your
[17:53] Speaker 2: full outfit on, and then you clean your teeth and
[17:54] Speaker 2: then you dribble on yourself. No, I'm not three I'm
[17:58] Speaker 2: really clumsy, but.
[18:00] Speaker 1: Do not close your mouth that.
[18:02] Speaker 2: Sometimes it foams up too much. I can't fit it
[18:05] Speaker 2: all in.
[18:05] Speaker 1: Do you have an electric toothbrush?
[18:06] Speaker 2: No? But also I walk around the house as I
[18:08] Speaker 2: clean my teeth, but how But then you can't get
[18:11] Speaker 2: to the basin by the time it's all foaming at emil,
[18:14] Speaker 2: I can.
[18:14] Speaker 3: Tell that Lee brushes her teeth the way she applies miscara.
[18:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, vigorously correct. Also, like basically the other day, I
[18:22] Speaker 2: was driving somewhere and I had my protein shake and
[18:24] Speaker 2: I poured it down myself. That I can relate tank you.
[18:27] Speaker 2: So you just keep a couple in your bag. You
[18:29] Speaker 2: can buy a one pack for twenty one dollars, or
[18:32] Speaker 2: you can get a two pack.
[18:33] Speaker 1: It's a one pack though, like.
[18:34] Speaker 2: One bag, and in the bag it's twenty individual wipes
[18:37] Speaker 2: go on on the website. The links are in the
[18:39] Speaker 2: show notes. It's just so clever, feel it. Yes, I'm
[18:41] Speaker 2: going to give you some because obviously you've got wipes
[18:44] Speaker 2: like normal wipes or whatever, but this is specifically dying
[18:46] Speaker 2: for makeup and fabric. Yeah, because you shake it on
[18:49] Speaker 2: a leather But isn't it just so genius?
[18:51] Speaker 1: I love that that is so smart.
[18:53] Speaker 2: Go my friend, thank.
[18:54] Speaker 1: You, well done to what's the brand called.
[18:57] Speaker 2: It's called Love Basic but with a queue wipe it
[19:00] Speaker 2: where it's slay cute love the branding love it well done?
[19:04] Speaker 2: I know. Isn't that so smart? I wish I thought
[19:06] Speaker 2: of it?
[19:06] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[19:06] Speaker 2: What's your beauty bite?
[19:08] Speaker 1: Okay, it's a hack.
[19:09] Speaker 3: So this is something that I've been doing for twenty years,
[19:13] Speaker 3: but I've never talked about it. And it's so easy
[19:16] Speaker 3: if you want the most simple, like thirty second hairstyle.
[19:20] Speaker 1: So let's just say that this.
[19:21] Speaker 3: Is your hair and you're like, oh, I just want
[19:23] Speaker 3: to pull it back. I want it to look a
[19:24] Speaker 3: little bit.
[19:24] Speaker 1: You could like that, So do a what's that called?
[19:27] Speaker 2: When it's a side sort of seapi a deep side,
[19:30] Speaker 2: but a messy one, A messy one. Wait, have long hair?
[19:33] Speaker 1: No, you can have any hair length maybe not yours?
[19:35] Speaker 2: Okay, so longer than mi?
[19:36] Speaker 3: So like shoulder length, all longer okay, so messy. Don't
[19:40] Speaker 3: have it brushed. So I just want you to get
[19:42] Speaker 3: the top part.
[19:43] Speaker 2: So she means, like the front what would be a
[19:45] Speaker 2: fringey bit even if you don't have a fringe all right,
[19:47] Speaker 2: you try to explain while I'm doing she's got a
[19:48] Speaker 2: deep side part that's kind of messy. Then she's pulling
[19:52] Speaker 2: the majority of the what would be a fringe to
[19:54] Speaker 2: the side.
[19:55] Speaker 3: Kit, and then I'm just going to start twisting it
[19:58] Speaker 3: and grubbing the hair under.
[19:59] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so you've made like a headband of hair.
[20:02] Speaker 2: Oh my god, it looks like you've had your hair
[20:05] Speaker 2: wild bobby pin. Oh my god, you found a bobby pin.
[20:08] Speaker 1: Well, I bought them my hose Attack a few months ago.
[20:12] Speaker 2: Kelly, that's phenomenal. And you know what, that's why you
[20:14] Speaker 2: would need the dry shampoo. My hair's too shiny. It
[20:16] Speaker 2: would all slip out.
[20:17] Speaker 3: But yeah, it works with dirty like dirty but dry
[20:20] Speaker 3: shampooed hair. Then just like, oh sorry, am I so whimsical?
[20:23] Speaker 2: Yes, it looks like you've had your hair done. Also,
[20:26] Speaker 2: it almost looks like a braid. Okay, so you've done
[20:28] Speaker 2: the twisty bit. Then you literally just pulled it up
[20:30] Speaker 2: and kind of twisted it at the back of your
[20:31] Speaker 2: head and stuck a bobby ivein in ten seconds.
[20:33] Speaker 3: Looks like I've done a whimsical braid. If you will,
[20:36] Speaker 3: look like you're like out of Little Women or something.
[20:38] Speaker 3: It was actually so funny. I was at Manly Warf
[20:40] Speaker 3: bar one day and I was a bit pissed, and
[20:42] Speaker 3: the girl at the bar was like, oh, my goodness,
[20:45] Speaker 3: your hair. And I said, oh, show you how to
[20:46] Speaker 3: do it, because she was complimenting me on it. And
[20:49] Speaker 3: she goes, oh my goodness, please, no, don't take your
[20:51] Speaker 3: hair and it looks so pretty and I said no, no, no, no,
[20:53] Speaker 3: I took it out and then yeah, thirty second. That
[20:56] Speaker 3: wasn't even thirty seconds, that's ten seconds. It's that fast.
[20:59] Speaker 1: Her mind was blown.
[21:00] Speaker 2: Anyway.
[21:01] Speaker 1: I don't know why.
[21:02] Speaker 3: This is the seventh year of you, beauty, and I
[21:04] Speaker 3: just forgot that I do that all the time. Maybe
[21:06] Speaker 3: because it's something that I literally just forgot that I
[21:08] Speaker 3: do because I do it so easy, and that is.
[21:10] Speaker 2: So good for our oily hair friend. Try that, yes,
[21:13] Speaker 2: love it. Well that's it for today, unfortunately, what a
[21:17] Speaker 2: great episode, though, I'm going to go home and cry
[21:19] Speaker 2: about how much Kelly hates me.
[21:21] Speaker 3: I know, I hate you so much. To port your
[21:22] Speaker 3: passion fruits from the three that lash.
[21:25] Speaker 2: She picked me passion fruits. So that's it. Send us
[21:28] Speaker 2: a DM on Instagram.
[21:29] Speaker 1: You know what your questions are? Or what you want
[21:31] Speaker 1: to see or hear about.
[21:33] Speaker 2: Don't forget her on TikTok at You Beauty Pod. I
[21:35] Speaker 2: went on to TikTok the other day and uploaded some stuff.
[21:37] Speaker 2: I'm trying to do it. I'm trying to do I.
[21:39] Speaker 3: Always get like a burst of energy every couple of
[21:41] Speaker 3: weeks and then I'm like, Niah, come.
[21:42] Speaker 2: Be bothered, and so on Instagram and YouTube, We're at
[21:44] Speaker 2: you Beauty Podcast. Send us your questions. Do you want
[21:47] Speaker 2: us to review something? Do you want to see Kelly
[21:49] Speaker 2: do something else to her hair?
[21:51] Speaker 1: I'll do the reverse eyeliner if you'd.
[21:53] Speaker 2: Like, Yes, We're going to make her do that. And
[21:55] Speaker 2: This episode of You Beauty is produced by Molly Harwood
[21:58] Speaker 2: and Sophie Campbell, with audio production by Tina Madeloff and
[22:01] Speaker 2: video production by Marlena bye Bye

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