# Fashion vs. Style: How To Build A Wardrobe That's Genuinely You

An episode of [Nothing To Wear](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1589394895), 14 Oct 2025, 28 min.

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This week, Leigh Campbell is getting personal with Mamamia’s entertainment writer and fashion obsessive, Chelsea Hui. She's one of the new voices you’ll be hearing on the pod, and this episode is all about her personal style philosophy. They’re talking trends, from the controversial return of distressed denim to the battle between quiet luxury and full-blown maximalism. Chelsea also shares her shopping strategy as a self-confessed "impulsive" but intuitive shopper, telling us how she uses Depop for big-ticket items and why she’s a proud "collector," not a hoarder. EVERYTHING MENTIONED: Leigh's Boujie: Tod’s Glove Gommino Driving Shoes in Suede, $1230 Senso Astro II $249 Chelsea's Boujie: Ksubi Ksuper Surge Trashed $259.95 Leigh's Budget: Uniqlo COMPTOIR DES COTONNIERS Linen Blend Barrel Leg Pants $59.90 (Out Mid Oct) Chelsea's Budget: Zara TRF RIPPED WIDE-LEG MID-WAIST JEANS $69.95 GET YOUR FASHION FIX: Watch us on Youtube this episode goes live at 8pm tonight! Follow us on Instagram Want to shop the pod? Sign up to the Nothing To Wear Newsletter to see all the products mentioned plus more, delivered straight to your inbox after every episode. Feedback? We’re listening! email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here CREDITS: Host: Leigh Campbell Guest: Chelsea Hui Producer: Ella Maitland Audio Producer: Tina Matolov Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris Just so you know — some of the product links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping! Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:10] Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the
[0:15] Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is
[0:18] Speaker 1: recorded on whoever said orange is a new pink with
[0:22] Speaker 1: seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking, Oh my god, you have.
[0:27] Speaker 2: To do it. You live for fashion.
[0:31] Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear. The podcast solves
[0:34] Speaker 1: fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell
[0:38] Speaker 1: and every week I sit down with an expert who
[0:40] Speaker 1: helps us work out how to get more out of
[0:42] Speaker 1: the clothes you already own and tells us exactly what
[0:45] Speaker 1: is and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, as
[0:47] Speaker 1: you know, I've been away for a few weeks and
[0:49] Speaker 1: part of that was a trip to Canada, and I'm
[0:51] Speaker 1: going to tell you a little bit about it at
[0:53] Speaker 1: the end of the episode. And that's why the delightful
[0:55] Speaker 1: Chelsea filled in for me a few weeks ago with Lacinda.
[0:58] Speaker 1: She's one of the new voices you're going to hear
[1:00] Speaker 1: a bit more on the podcast. Chelsea is one of
[1:02] Speaker 1: the entertainment writers here at Mamma Mia and has a
[1:04] Speaker 1: true passion for fashion, sharing her love and shopping hacks
[1:08] Speaker 1: on Instagram. So today I wanted to chat to Chelsea.
[1:11] Speaker 1: She's got some amazing insights about how being Chinese Australian
[1:15] Speaker 1: has shaped her self expression, and we're diving deep into
[1:18] Speaker 1: her wardrobe, almost literally, to find out where she shops,
[1:22] Speaker 1: how she shops, if she's organized, if she's a hoarder,
[1:25] Speaker 1: and the items that she owns that holds the most
[1:28] Speaker 1: sentimental value. So Chelsea, welcome back technically to Nothing to War.
[1:32] Speaker 1: You didn't episode with Lucinda, which I absolutely loved listening to,
[1:37] Speaker 1: But today it's all about you. We're going to get
[1:39] Speaker 1: to know you. So first of all, I get to
[1:41] Speaker 1: ask new guests two questions. Firstly, can you describe your
[1:45] Speaker 1: style in three words? For me?
[1:47] Speaker 2: I can try. I would say comfortable, eclectic, and edgy.
[1:53] Speaker 2: I hate using that word. Well I'm so quirky, but
[1:56] Speaker 2: I feel like it.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, people, it describes what you're trying to say. Yeah, yeah,
[2:01] Speaker 1: it's something a little bit different. Yes, yes, great, I
[2:03] Speaker 1: like that. Eclectic. I like to be eclectic, but I
[2:06] Speaker 1: think I'm really just an unorganized mess. And so the
[2:11] Speaker 1: theory that we think is pretty true for a lot
[2:13] Speaker 1: of women wardrobe of clothes, but there's ten percent of
[2:16] Speaker 1: that wardrobe that we just wear more than the rest.
[2:19] Speaker 1: What's in your ten percent?
[2:20] Speaker 3: I have this black tank top that I got years
[2:24] Speaker 3: ago on Deepop Damn yep, and probably six days of
[2:29] Speaker 3: the week. That's something that I'm throwing on because it
[2:31] Speaker 3: just goes with everything. And I think more recently, the headband.
[2:35] Speaker 3: I know, it's like kind of come back.
[2:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one or two and I think I
[2:39] Speaker 2: wear it probably seven days a week.
[2:40] Speaker 1: I need to get into a headband because my hair
[2:43] Speaker 1: is at an awkward length through it's always annoying and
[2:44] Speaker 1: in my face. But it doesn't go back to on
[2:46] Speaker 1: a full pony, so it's functional. It is it looks
[2:48] Speaker 1: so cute.
[2:49] Speaker 3: It's also one of those things where like I get
[2:51] Speaker 3: like my fringe or like the front of my head
[2:52] Speaker 3: gets a little bit early.
[2:54] Speaker 2: Same slick it back, throw a heapin on you.
[2:55] Speaker 3: Look.
[2:56] Speaker 1: Oh my god, you need to come on your beauty. Yeah.
[2:58] Speaker 1: I love that. And now I want to know what
[2:59] Speaker 1: that black tank is if you can track it down
[3:01] Speaker 1: and find new ones.
[3:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, I have it in a few colors, but the
[3:05] Speaker 2: black one is the one that.
[3:06] Speaker 1: Just goes with everything. All right. So, as I said, today.
[3:09] Speaker 1: The topic is kind of You. We've done a few
[3:12] Speaker 1: of these in the past. They're more of an in
[3:13] Speaker 1: conversation style episode to get to know you. You're going
[3:17] Speaker 1: to be joining us more on this podcast, which is
[3:19] Speaker 1: very exciting. So I want to know who are you,
[3:24] Speaker 1: What do you love, what do you do in your
[3:26] Speaker 1: spare time, what inspires you? Give us the lowdown on
[3:29] Speaker 1: who you are. Well.
[3:30] Speaker 3: So, I'm the entertainment writer here at Mamma Mia. So
[3:32] Speaker 3: I feel like it comes as no surprise that the
[3:35] Speaker 3: things I love really sort of live in that world.
[3:37] Speaker 2: I love to read, love to write, and.
[3:39] Speaker 3: I love movies and TV, and that's a lot of
[3:42] Speaker 3: kind of what inspires me as well fashion wise, but
[3:44] Speaker 3: just in life, I get a lot of inspiration from
[3:46] Speaker 3: pop culture and what I see on screen, and as
[3:50] Speaker 3: far as fashion goes, I feel like I actually draw
[3:52] Speaker 3: a lot of inspiration from the people in my life.
[3:54] Speaker 3: I have a lot of very fashionable friends, my sister,
[3:57] Speaker 3: my mom. I love looking at all photos of my
[4:00] Speaker 3: mom and my ground hoo and like pulling inspiration.
[4:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, cool, I love that. Now, listen, you're
[4:07] Speaker 1: a writer and an author. Congratulation and you write so
[4:11] Speaker 1: beautifully about your bicultural experiences. So how has been a
[4:16] Speaker 1: Chinese Australian shaped your identity and your self expression beyond
[4:21] Speaker 1: the words that you write, Because you've written two beautiful books,
[4:23] Speaker 1: you are an incredible poet. But how has it shaped
[4:26] Speaker 1: what you wear and your beauty approach, your fashion, your wardrobe,
[4:30] Speaker 1: how you show up in the world.
[4:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a lovely question. Well, I mean I
[4:34] Speaker 2: feel like growing up kind of straddling to cultures. You
[4:37] Speaker 2: sort of grew up with.
[4:38] Speaker 3: These two very different lenses, and when you're younger, you
[4:42] Speaker 3: spend a lot of time trying to reconcile those two
[4:43] Speaker 3: things and trying to be one or the other.
[4:46] Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna ask if it tests to feel
[4:47] Speaker 1: like one or the other. Yeah.
[4:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think growing up it felt that way for
[4:50] Speaker 2: a very long time.
[4:51] Speaker 3: But I think now as an adult, those sort of
[4:55] Speaker 3: two cultures just feel intertwined in you, and I feel
[4:58] Speaker 3: like talking about fashion or beauty, it really trickles into everything.
[5:02] Speaker 3: So I feel like I draw a lot of inspiration
[5:04] Speaker 3: from Hong Kong, where that's where my family is from,
[5:07] Speaker 3: and Ossie fashion, so they're sort of both East and
[5:10] Speaker 3: Western influence, which I think is actually really beautiful.
[5:13] Speaker 1: Well it's the best of both worlds. Really, yeah, I
[5:15] Speaker 1: love that. So we're here to talk fashion and style.
[5:18] Speaker 1: It's called nothing to Wear. So what is your personal
[5:21] Speaker 1: approach to fashion and getting dressed?
[5:23] Speaker 3: I think for me, I'm quite an impulsive person, so
[5:27] Speaker 3: now in my twenty twenty five self, I try to
[5:30] Speaker 3: be quite intuitive with how I shop. I love going
[5:34] Speaker 3: on deep hop eBay, doing like vintage shopping, and I
[5:36] Speaker 3: feel like the bigger ticket items I try to secondhand shop,
[5:40] Speaker 3: and then yeah, for trends, I kind of go the
[5:43] Speaker 3: lower end, but I really shop like piece by piece
[5:46] Speaker 3: instead of having like an ideal look.
[5:47] Speaker 2: I don't really do mood boards and look books and things.
[5:49] Speaker 1: Like that either. I want to be that person that
[5:51] Speaker 1: it feels like too much work. I just see an
[5:53] Speaker 1: item that I like and I go, oh, it's cheap,
[5:55] Speaker 1: I'll buy it all. Oh it's expensive, I wish one
[5:57] Speaker 1: hundred percent.
[5:58] Speaker 2: That's me as well.
[5:58] Speaker 3: I feel like if I see something I'm like, does
[6:01] Speaker 3: this fuck joy? Does this piece of clothing make me excited?
[6:04] Speaker 3: Is it something I can afford? I'll think about how
[6:06] Speaker 3: I'm going to style it with stuff that I own,
[6:08] Speaker 3: and then I'll go ahead and get it. I don't
[6:10] Speaker 3: really think about it in terms of like I want
[6:11] Speaker 3: this look specifical life.
[6:13] Speaker 1: Say yeah, I also think like unless you're a celebrity
[6:16] Speaker 1: or someone that's constantly on camera, I mean misort of
[6:18] Speaker 1: on camera, but it doesn't count. But I just don't
[6:21] Speaker 1: think it looks like, Oh I like that top, it'll
[6:23] Speaker 1: go with enough things. I agree. Yeah, And how much
[6:26] Speaker 1: you said comfortable is one of your words. So how
[6:28] Speaker 1: much does practicality play into what you buy? Maybe it's
[6:32] Speaker 1: you buy it and then ends up in your wardro
[6:33] Speaker 1: when you don't wear it because it's not comfy, versus
[6:36] Speaker 1: wanting to you know, we work in a semi glamorous industry,
[6:40] Speaker 1: versus buying things because it feels aspirational. You know. I've
[6:44] Speaker 1: learned that lesson. It's like, oh, I work in media,
[6:47] Speaker 1: I'll buy this fancy thing and then I just live
[6:49] Speaker 1: in leggings. Yep. Yeah, So have you do you still
[6:51] Speaker 1: struggle with that?
[6:52] Speaker 2: I do a lot.
[6:53] Speaker 3: I think these days I try to be a little
[6:56] Speaker 3: bit more careful with that, because, like you said, I
[6:59] Speaker 3: end up having a wardrobe full of things because they're
[7:01] Speaker 3: not comfortable, I won't wear it.
[7:02] Speaker 1: Samee.
[7:03] Speaker 2: That's like a number one thing for me.
[7:04] Speaker 1: Like they're pretty, but no one sees them.
[7:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, even if it's like it could be the most
[7:08] Speaker 3: beautiful thing in the world, but if I can't. Also
[7:10] Speaker 3: because day to day I'm coming into the office, I'm
[7:13] Speaker 3: writing most of the day, so I'm sitting at my desk.
[7:15] Speaker 2: I really no way I get it.
[7:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be something that it's kind of
[7:20] Speaker 3: loose fitting on the waist. I can sit in it,
[7:23] Speaker 3: I can eat and do all that. So I feel
[7:25] Speaker 3: like that's like probably a top priority for me. I'll
[7:27] Speaker 3: see something. If I like it, I'll have to think about,
[7:29] Speaker 3: like is this comfortable practically.
[7:31] Speaker 1: I've learned that lesson at a good age. Trust me,
[7:33] Speaker 1: I've only just learnt it, and so I've still got
[7:35] Speaker 1: all the pretty things.
[7:36] Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's just it's like that sometimes,
[7:39] Speaker 2: isn't it.
[7:39] Speaker 3: I have like tons of dresses and things that just
[7:42] Speaker 3: or like even like corset type tops.
[7:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean I love it.
[7:45] Speaker 3: It's beautiful, but just like practically day to day just
[7:48] Speaker 3: not something that I would wear.
[7:49] Speaker 1: I agree with you, Okay, I want to talk and
[7:51] Speaker 1: get your opinion about fashion versus style. Are they different.
[7:57] Speaker 1: What is your opinion on those two terms.
[7:59] Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't given that a whole lot of thought,
[8:01] Speaker 3: but in my opinion, fashion to me feels a little
[8:05] Speaker 3: bit more external, where a style feels more internal and
[8:09] Speaker 3: kind of personal in a way. I feel like fashion
[8:13] Speaker 3: is kind of informed by more external factors, and sometimes
[8:16] Speaker 3: it's maybe what's trending, what's current, or maybe what was
[8:19] Speaker 3: trending at a particular period of time, whereas style feels
[8:23] Speaker 3: deeply personal and I think, you know, I might see
[8:25] Speaker 3: something I might not know if it's in fashion, but
[8:27] Speaker 3: i'll know if it's yea style.
[8:28] Speaker 1: Your stye. Yeah. And they tend to be I think
[8:31] Speaker 1: the things that live in your wardrobe the longest and
[8:33] Speaker 1: have the longest longevity, regardless of if they're an investment
[8:36] Speaker 1: piece or the price, because you're kind of subconscious picked
[8:40] Speaker 1: it rather than going, oh, red shoes, I better get
[8:42] Speaker 1: some red shoes.
[8:42] Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm absent.
[8:44] Speaker 1: I love that. That's a good way to put it.
[8:47] Speaker 1: Talked about shopping, Are we an in real life person?
[8:50] Speaker 1: Are we an online shop? But you mentioned being impulsive?
[8:54] Speaker 1: How do you control that? Do you have some strategies?
[8:57] Speaker 1: How do you go shopping?
[8:58] Speaker 2: So I feel like a bit of both. I feel
[9:01] Speaker 2: like the gen Z and Me is very much like
[9:03] Speaker 2: online love to brows?
[9:04] Speaker 1: Do you pop to get at computers all day? Sometimes
[9:07] Speaker 1: I just accidentally go over to a website.
[9:09] Speaker 2: It's just so much easier.
[9:11] Speaker 3: Also, just for convenience sake, I think, Yeah, that's kind
[9:13] Speaker 3: of how I've shopped for the last I mean several years.
[9:16] Speaker 3: But I have recently started kind of going back into
[9:19] Speaker 3: stores and having that and I love that so much.
[9:22] Speaker 3: I think it also can be like a bit of
[9:24] Speaker 3: a social experience. So I love to go shopping with
[9:27] Speaker 3: my mom y friends and kind of make a day
[9:29] Speaker 3: of it. And the experience of just going in and
[9:31] Speaker 3: trying things on, Yeah, I think is actually a lot
[9:33] Speaker 3: of fun.
[9:34] Speaker 2: So I think a little bit of both.
[9:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I agree with you. I shop online now
[9:37] Speaker 1: more than ever before because life. But when I look
[9:41] Speaker 1: at what I wear the most, it's oftentimes the things
[9:43] Speaker 1: I've bought in real life, because I've seen the fabric,
[9:45] Speaker 1: I've really tried it on, you know, I've got you know,
[9:48] Speaker 1: I do a lot of online returns. I keep a
[9:51] Speaker 1: lot of my online purchases, but the things I really love,
[9:53] Speaker 1: oftentimes what I've touched physically before I've paid the money.
[9:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true.
[9:57] Speaker 3: I think like also, nothing can really replicate like being
[9:59] Speaker 3: able to try something. Yeah, And I feel like for
[10:01] Speaker 3: so long I really took that for granted.
[10:04] Speaker 1: Yes, And also I think you have to think a
[10:06] Speaker 1: little bit more, like even if it's just to walk
[10:08] Speaker 1: to the register now on the internet, just press one button. Yeah,
[10:11] Speaker 1: you don't even have to enter your credit cards.
[10:13] Speaker 3: And also crazy, well the shipping, it's you often I
[10:16] Speaker 3: find that I don't know if you're the same. You
[10:18] Speaker 3: tend to add more things to your basket, just like.
[10:21] Speaker 1: Say sixty dollars more to say I came out of
[10:25] Speaker 1: the shower yesterday. My son likes to research things on
[10:28] Speaker 1: my laptop. He's in kindy. He doesn't know what he's doing.
[10:30] Speaker 1: He had gone on too Amazon and bought these toys
[10:34] Speaker 1: because it's just like a big yellow button. He can't
[10:36] Speaker 1: really read, but he goes, you know, playing a video game. Yellow,
[10:39] Speaker 1: Great to the next step, Yellow to the next step.
[10:41] Speaker 1: That's so crazy, it's that easy. And you know, if
[10:44] Speaker 1: you don't have any self control, yeah, yeah, yeah, like me,
[10:47] Speaker 1: so trends yes or no, you'd be across them. Because
[10:51] Speaker 1: obviously you're just across the zeit ghost from a you know,
[10:54] Speaker 1: entertainment perspective as well, So you're always on social media,
[10:56] Speaker 1: always seeing what you know, famous people and non famous
[10:59] Speaker 1: people are doing. Are you into trends? You are? I
[11:03] Speaker 1: hope you are, because I am too. I don't do everyone,
[11:06] Speaker 1: but I feel like it's you meant to be embarrassed
[11:08] Speaker 1: to say I like trend.
[11:09] Speaker 3: I know exactly, like literally exactly what you just said.
[11:11] Speaker 3: I think, yes, I love a trend, but I don't
[11:14] Speaker 3: buy into every single trend.
[11:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[11:16] Speaker 3: I think.
[11:17] Speaker 2: For for instance, like when animal print came back, Lombard
[11:20] Speaker 2: print not for you.
[11:21] Speaker 3: No, I love it too. Now have like cowprint shoes,
[11:24] Speaker 3: my bag is left prate, like I.
[11:27] Speaker 2: Love it so much.
[11:28] Speaker 3: I think it's because I've always kind of loved that,
[11:30] Speaker 3: Like there was a period of time when I was
[11:31] Speaker 3: younger that was sort of in as well, and I
[11:33] Speaker 3: kind of kept all the things that I had and
[11:35] Speaker 3: I was really sad when it went out of style. Yeah,
[11:37] Speaker 3: so I think it's more about picking a trend that
[11:39] Speaker 3: you genuinely love and not just because everyone's way.
[11:41] Speaker 1: I agree, And that's a great example. Like you've always
[11:44] Speaker 1: had an affinity for animal print, but you probably didn't
[11:46] Speaker 1: buy much up until recently because it just wasn't around.
[11:49] Speaker 1: But then when a trend comes back or is around,
[11:51] Speaker 1: you've just got more choice. Yep. Agree, Like, for example,
[11:53] Speaker 1: Peplum's everywhere. I don't love peplum. I did it the
[11:57] Speaker 1: first time. I'm not going back there. But if I
[11:59] Speaker 1: was a peplum lover, now I've got heat to choose from.
[12:02] Speaker 1: So it's more just like you can dip in and
[12:04] Speaker 1: out when the tide comes with that trend, but don't
[12:07] Speaker 1: feel like you have to catch every wave.
[12:08] Speaker 3: Yes, And I also think if you're buying it because
[12:10] Speaker 3: you really really love that trend, even when it's no
[12:13] Speaker 3: longer a trend, there's opportunities where you can kind of
[12:15] Speaker 3: style it a certain way.
[12:16] Speaker 1: I just wear it because it makes me happy.
[12:18] Speaker 2: Agree. Agree.
[12:19] Speaker 1: This is an interesting one because I feel like these
[12:21] Speaker 1: two trends, I mean, they're not really trends, but they're
[12:23] Speaker 1: kind of movements are happening at the same time. First
[12:26] Speaker 1: we had quiet luxury, which is still kind of around,
[12:29] Speaker 1: and then now we're seeing maximalism. Do you err on
[12:33] Speaker 1: either side? Are you one or the other? And do
[12:35] Speaker 1: you think they can exist in the same Wardrobel, I'm
[12:38] Speaker 1: the same person.
[12:41] Speaker 2: I think.
[12:41] Speaker 3: Personally speaking, I am like a maximalist girl, like through
[12:45] Speaker 3: and through.
[12:46] Speaker 2: I love like bag.
[12:47] Speaker 3: Charms, phone charms, all charms. I love like I don't
[12:51] Speaker 3: know if fun prints, colors and kind of mismatching. Yes,
[12:55] Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of that and kind of adding
[12:57] Speaker 3: a little bit of character to an outfit. In saying that, though,
[13:00] Speaker 3: I do think they can coexist, I think, you know,
[13:03] Speaker 3: maybe taking some things from the quiet luxury movement and
[13:06] Speaker 3: like getting really like higher quality foundational.
[13:09] Speaker 1: Pieces because maximalist doesn't have to mean a lot of things. No, yeah,
[13:15] Speaker 1: that's so sometimes people get confused.
[13:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think they definitely can coexist and kind
[13:19] Speaker 3: of take little bits from each movement.
[13:21] Speaker 2: But personally speaking, I do.
[13:23] Speaker 3: I do love that maximalism is kind of having a
[13:25] Speaker 3: little bit of a comeback.
[13:26] Speaker 1: See I'm not either. I wish I was quite luxury,
[13:28] Speaker 1: but I'm just quite classic and boring. But my wardrobe
[13:31] Speaker 1: is maximalist just because I've got so much stuff, but
[13:34] Speaker 1: I don't put it on all together. Maybe thinks how
[13:36] Speaker 1: I need to get more aware out of my things,
[13:38] Speaker 1: just do some more quirky combinations.
[13:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, have some fun with it, you know, Yes.
[13:51] Speaker 1: So talk to me about getting dressed. Do you plan
[13:54] Speaker 1: your outfits the night before? Do you wake up and
[13:57] Speaker 1: just go with the vibes? Do you ever, like do
[14:00] Speaker 1: a Sunday night the whole week ahead? And how long
[14:03] Speaker 1: does it take you from picking the outfit to out
[14:05] Speaker 1: the door?
[14:06] Speaker 3: So, no, there's no planning involved whatso. But I think
[14:10] Speaker 3: I'm a pretty chaotic person, So I just go to sleep,
[14:13] Speaker 3: wake up.
[14:13] Speaker 2: I think. I mean it's weather dependent too.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Do you check it the weather?
[14:16] Speaker 2: I don't check it. I just look out the windows.
[14:17] Speaker 2: You're kind of same.
[14:19] Speaker 1: My husband always checks the weather.
[14:20] Speaker 2: Beginning it was mine, Oh it's gonna be.
[14:22] Speaker 1: Twenty seven today, and I'm like at seven am, I'm cold.
[14:24] Speaker 1: And I get to three pm and I was like, oh.
[14:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm exactly the same.
[14:28] Speaker 3: So I'll just kind of look out the window, check
[14:30] Speaker 3: the vibe in the morning, see how I'm feeling. Yes,
[14:32] Speaker 3: in terms of throwing it together, maybe, I think picking
[14:34] Speaker 3: it generally takes longest, so I'll be like fifteen minutes maybe, but.
[14:38] Speaker 1: It's the least amount of time for that, and then
[14:39] Speaker 1: I get frustrated.
[14:40] Speaker 3: Same and then I'll end up walking out of the
[14:43] Speaker 3: house and something that I hate same.
[14:44] Speaker 1: I'll be like, I hate everything is on the floor,
[14:46] Speaker 1: and then when I get home from work, I'm like, well, yeah.
[14:49] Speaker 2: I'm exactly the same.
[14:50] Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't leave too much time to get ready.
[14:52] Speaker 3: But I also just don't think I'm someone who like
[14:54] Speaker 3: would the night before sit around and be like, oh, yeah,
[14:56] Speaker 3: let's think about what I'm gonna wear yeaheah.
[14:58] Speaker 2: It gotta be the on the day kind of thing.
[14:59] Speaker 1: Interesting. I think about an item sometimes, I like, I
[15:02] Speaker 1: really want to wear those pants this week, Yeah, tomorrow.
[15:04] Speaker 2: And then you style it on the day. Yeah, We'll
[15:05] Speaker 2: figure it out.
[15:06] Speaker 1: Then you wake up and it's pouring rain, You're like, well,
[15:08] Speaker 1: I want to wear my shep hair all right. So,
[15:12] Speaker 1: speaking of getting dressed in your wardrobe, what's your approach there?
[15:16] Speaker 1: Are you a color? Are you a hoarder? Is it organized?
[15:20] Speaker 1: Is it messy? How do you store your things? And
[15:22] Speaker 1: do you have any tips for wardrobe and organization?
[15:26] Speaker 2: I am like the worst person to ask for organizational tips.
[15:29] Speaker 1: Like ever, oh my god, I've met my kindred spirit.
[15:31] Speaker 1: Thank God. Everyone's sitting in that chair is so organized,
[15:34] Speaker 1: and I'm just like why can't I beat it.
[15:36] Speaker 2: I'm just not that I wish I was.
[15:38] Speaker 1: I'm just not.
[15:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think my wardrobe is very chaotic. I am
[15:43] Speaker 3: a hoarder. I just I mean, I'm a collector.
[15:47] Speaker 2: Same.
[15:47] Speaker 3: I love that I'm going to use that from now on.
[15:49] Speaker 3: I'm a collector, not a hoarder. Yes, but I find
[15:52] Speaker 3: it really hard to part with clothing. I do try
[15:55] Speaker 3: to every now and then do it a little bit
[15:57] Speaker 3: and do some you know, to clear the space for
[15:59] Speaker 3: new things. Yes, yeah, but it is hard. So I
[16:02] Speaker 3: mean there's probably items in my clothing that I've had
[16:06] Speaker 3: since like early UNI high school.
[16:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe that speaks to back to the style thing
[16:11] Speaker 1: that you're buying things in your style so you don't
[16:12] Speaker 1: want to get rid of them because they're still useful.
[16:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think liked Yes exactly. I think there
[16:19] Speaker 3: are things that I've had for a long time that
[16:21] Speaker 3: maybe I haven't touched for a little while, but then
[16:24] Speaker 3: there will be an occasion. I know everyone say yeah,
[16:25] Speaker 3: like I'll find a time to wear it, but truly
[16:27] Speaker 3: that feels very real for me. Yeah, and you find something, Yeah,
[16:30] Speaker 3: I'll find something and I'll be like, oh, that still
[16:32] Speaker 3: feels my style. It feels like I could still pair
[16:34] Speaker 3: it with something, So I just find it hard to
[16:36] Speaker 3: throw things away.
[16:36] Speaker 1: I don't think you have to do it as long
[16:38] Speaker 1: as those things still bring you joy and you.
[16:40] Speaker 2: I agree, I agree.
[16:41] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you're not organized like the rest of
[16:43] Speaker 1: as well. Okay, this is fun. Imagine you have an
[16:47] Speaker 1: unlimited budget, but you can only buy one color of clothing, shoes,
[16:54] Speaker 1: accessories for the rest of your life. What color and why?
[16:58] Speaker 2: It's going to be so boring and basic? But it's
[17:00] Speaker 2: got to be black.
[17:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can go to Chanell and buy all
[17:04] Speaker 1: the black Chanels.
[17:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You know, the world is your oyster. When
[17:08] Speaker 3: it comes to black, it would yeah.
[17:11] Speaker 1: I think, oh cream, like can we have? Can I
[17:14] Speaker 1: have very.
[17:15] Speaker 2: Variations of the same color?
[17:17] Speaker 1: Okay, well you know off white maybe? I mean black
[17:20] Speaker 1: is very classic. It's a hard one, isn't it.
[17:23] Speaker 2: It is hard?
[17:24] Speaker 3: I think the only thing with white. I think I
[17:26] Speaker 3: spoke about this last time. I don't have a lot
[17:28] Speaker 3: of white.
[17:28] Speaker 1: I have mostly white. Yeah, I don't wear a lot
[17:31] Speaker 1: of black. I think it's my hair, especially when it's
[17:33] Speaker 1: very dark in a bob and then when I wear
[17:35] Speaker 1: a black I feel like I look like a lego
[17:37] Speaker 1: or a floating hand. Okay, but it's the unlimited budget
[17:40] Speaker 1: that threw me because I think oftentimes what holds me
[17:43] Speaker 1: back from experimenting more with color is that I feel
[17:47] Speaker 1: like you need more combinations to put it with ye where,
[17:51] Speaker 1: you know. That's why I try and keep things quite neutral.
[17:53] Speaker 1: I don't try, but that's generally how I get there.
[17:55] Speaker 1: But if I've got an unlimited budget, then I can
[17:58] Speaker 1: buy all the different color combos.
[17:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a question, it is, isn't it.
[18:02] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to take black and white off the table.
[18:04] Speaker 1: You have to choose the color.
[18:05] Speaker 2: Okay, it's brown count.
[18:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, Brown's I think round two.
[18:11] Speaker 3: Actually, if I'm not allowed black or white, I brown's
[18:13] Speaker 3: also having quite a quite a moment soft pot.
[18:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[18:17] Speaker 3: I just feel like it's still very neutral, but I
[18:20] Speaker 3: don't know something fun about it, you know.
[18:21] Speaker 1: I agree, and it just feels like rich. Yes, and
[18:24] Speaker 1: now we are rich, we can buy all the extensive crowd.
[18:26] Speaker 1: It's so true. What's the one item in your wardrobe
[18:29] Speaker 1: that has the most emotional or sentimental value?
[18:32] Speaker 2: For me? It's jewelry in general. So with fashion, I'm
[18:36] Speaker 2: a little bit more. I don't know.
[18:37] Speaker 3: I'm happy to, you know, try a trend or try
[18:40] Speaker 3: something different. Whereas with jewelry, I'm very very intentional about
[18:44] Speaker 3: what I buy, and I think that really comes from
[18:46] Speaker 3: my mom and my grandma, and they've kind of passed
[18:48] Speaker 3: down different pieces to me, and I try to build
[18:51] Speaker 3: a collection that I wear all the time that I'm
[18:53] Speaker 3: going to keep forever. Yes, Pie, Yeah, it would probably
[18:55] Speaker 3: be like a family piece. There's a like a pearl
[18:57] Speaker 3: necklace my grandma gave me that I wore on my
[18:59] Speaker 3: wedding day and that's just like so so special to me.
[19:02] Speaker 3: So probably like a family piece.
[19:04] Speaker 1: I had a necklace on my wedding day, but I
[19:06] Speaker 1: don't know what I've done with it. Thanks for minding
[19:08] Speaker 1: it was obviously, wasn't. I think my husband like went
[19:11] Speaker 1: to Levisa the day before because someone told him that
[19:13] Speaker 1: you meant to like send something.
[19:15] Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so cute though.
[19:17] Speaker 1: Okay, a few more questions then we'll get into bougie
[19:20] Speaker 1: and budget. What's your favorite ever purchase you've made.
[19:25] Speaker 3: I would say I think I wore this on the
[19:27] Speaker 3: pod last time. I will just leather jacket. It's kind
[19:29] Speaker 3: of a blazer style leather jacket.
[19:31] Speaker 2: It's very old and worn in.
[19:33] Speaker 1: Black, yes, but they wear in so well.
[19:36] Speaker 3: But I actually got that in Japan at a vintage
[19:39] Speaker 3: store for like twenty dollars or something.
[19:42] Speaker 2: And I've worn it so much.
[19:43] Speaker 3: I wear it almost every day and it was worth
[19:46] Speaker 3: all the hours I spent sifting through those racks.
[19:48] Speaker 1: Oh my god. See, I'm a huge thrifter and I've
[19:50] Speaker 1: been to Japan, but not since thrifting has blown up there.
[19:53] Speaker 2: It's amazing.
[19:54] Speaker 1: I need like four days, two suitcases and go by myself.
[19:57] Speaker 2: You would love it.
[19:58] Speaker 3: It's amazing that just like the kind of variations of styles,
[20:01] Speaker 3: and there's like also like higher end obviously your designer
[20:03] Speaker 3: like luxury.
[20:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I still like sifting through the cheap style.
[20:06] Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing.
[20:07] Speaker 1: And just the volume there because Australia getting great for thrifting,
[20:10] Speaker 1: but we just don't have the population to do the
[20:12] Speaker 1: donation for the thrifting.
[20:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, those whole like areas where like that whole.
[20:16] Speaker 1: It's like a whole street of shops for trench coat.
[20:20] Speaker 1: I think nothing to needs to go onto it. Okay,
[20:22] Speaker 1: last one, what do you think most people misunderstand about style?
[20:28] Speaker 3: I think maybe just some of the rules around fashion
[20:31] Speaker 3: and style. So one of the ones I think of
[20:34] Speaker 3: is that you have to dress to flatter your body
[20:36] Speaker 3: type or what that means, like fluttering, which.
[20:38] Speaker 1: We're really saying slimming, yes, or hiding bits that you
[20:41] Speaker 1: don't like, which is very you know, a magazine hangover
[20:45] Speaker 1: and apologies. I used to work at magazines. But flattering
[20:48] Speaker 1: can just I think flattering should mean what makes you
[20:51] Speaker 1: feel good. Yes, it might be an oversized T shirt.
[20:53] Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, one hundred percent.
[20:54] Speaker 3: I think it's if you feel good in it, then
[20:57] Speaker 3: it works, you know, then it's stylis flattering really?
[20:59] Speaker 2: Is you in a good mood?
[21:02] Speaker 1: Eyes?
[21:03] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's probably for me. Like what I feel
[21:06] Speaker 2: like is a little bit still outdated when.
[21:09] Speaker 1: You know, we still use the term because it kind
[21:11] Speaker 1: of gets to the point and we know what we mean,
[21:14] Speaker 1: but it feels outdated. Yeah, yeah, it just feel good fashion,
[21:17] Speaker 1: not slattering fashion. Yeah, you're a wise woman. It's very expensive,
[21:33] Speaker 1: how wondred Let's do boogie and budget. So it's just
[21:39] Speaker 1: anything we've recently purchased or in our wish lists are
[21:42] Speaker 1: in a new season, so you know, there's lots of
[21:44] Speaker 1: thing to choose from do you want to choose your
[21:46] Speaker 1: boogie your budget first.
[21:48] Speaker 2: I'll go with my budget first.
[21:50] Speaker 3: Both the things I've chosen are kind of the same
[21:52] Speaker 3: item but different price points.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Love, but I think it is good.
[21:54] Speaker 3: So my budget is the Zara ripped wide leg midwaist gene. Okay,
[22:00] Speaker 3: And last time I was on the pod, we spoke
[22:02] Speaker 3: about how ripped, Yes, distressing is back, which I love.
[22:08] Speaker 3: That's like a trend that I'm very much for. I've
[22:11] Speaker 3: been waiting, like eagerly waiting for it to come back.
[22:13] Speaker 2: So when I saw it.
[22:13] Speaker 1: On I know I need to get my head around it.
[22:17] Speaker 1: It is yeah, like we're not doing that massive hole
[22:20] Speaker 1: in our knee.
[22:21] Speaker 3: I mean, who knows that may like that make up,
[22:24] Speaker 3: but also these are a jeans are kind of like
[22:26] Speaker 3: a little like just a small step where they elevated,
[22:28] Speaker 3: slightly distressed here and maybe a little bit on the knee.
[22:31] Speaker 2: Then too crazy.
[22:32] Speaker 1: They're not your Grandma's not going to go let me
[22:34] Speaker 1: buy some jeans.
[22:35] Speaker 3: No, So I think these are kind of a little
[22:37] Speaker 3: taster of like a little bit of distressing that still
[22:40] Speaker 3: feels quite tasteful.
[22:41] Speaker 1: Cool. I love that. How much are they?
[22:42] Speaker 2: They are sixty nine ninety five, so not too bad.
[22:46] Speaker 1: And if you don't want to buy a brand new,
[22:48] Speaker 1: go thrifted because that's where all the old distressed ones
[22:51] Speaker 1: are have been donated. Or just buy someone distressing me.
[22:54] Speaker 3: Yes, I was going to say, if you have old
[22:55] Speaker 3: jeans that you never wear anymore, it's a nice just
[22:58] Speaker 3: like make some decisions for them a little bit.
[23:00] Speaker 2: There's like a million tatorials on you too.
[23:02] Speaker 1: Fum. Yeah, Well, my budget is also a pair of pants,
[23:06] Speaker 1: so they're a pair of you to go pants, and
[23:08] Speaker 1: I have last year's version. They're doing an almost identical
[23:11] Speaker 1: version this year, but they're not launched until mid October.
[23:14] Speaker 1: So what I love about the nuclear website is there's
[23:16] Speaker 1: a coming soon. Tab oh I don't know. Yes, it
[23:19] Speaker 1: makes me excited because it also makes me less impulsive
[23:21] Speaker 1: because I go there and think, oh, I can't get them,
[23:24] Speaker 1: and then I think about them. But I have these
[23:26] Speaker 1: pants in kind of like a light khaki olive, and
[23:29] Speaker 1: I have worn them to death, and that is not
[23:31] Speaker 1: to say they're not good quality. I just love them
[23:33] Speaker 1: and I get so many comments on them. So this
[23:35] Speaker 1: season's version is called the Linen Blend Barrel Leg Pants
[23:39] Speaker 1: fifty nine ninety. When I say Linen blend, it's not
[23:42] Speaker 1: that sort of Byron bay Lineny Lineny beach linen. It's
[23:45] Speaker 1: very kind of urban linen. You can wear them in
[23:48] Speaker 1: the city, you could wear them out to drinks. They're
[23:50] Speaker 1: so comfy, they're so good. Fifty nine fifty oh good.
[23:53] Speaker 2: I love a barrel.
[23:54] Speaker 1: Yes, and it's also it's not an extreme barrel, it's
[23:57] Speaker 1: quite it's, you know, a cool but tapered, wearable barrel.
[24:02] Speaker 1: I'm literally going to get a recolor this season because
[24:04] Speaker 1: I wish I did last year. They're so comfy, they're breathable. Wow,
[24:07] Speaker 1: I should be an ambassador your boogie. So you've got
[24:10] Speaker 1: a bougie version.
[24:11] Speaker 3: Yes, So my bougie version is the SUBI Super Serge
[24:15] Speaker 3: trashed again.
[24:16] Speaker 2: Distress.
[24:17] Speaker 3: These are a little bit more distressed, maybe a bit
[24:18] Speaker 3: too much for your taste.
[24:19] Speaker 1: With your taste you watch in three weeks, i'll be
[24:22] Speaker 1: come out.
[24:23] Speaker 2: I love these though.
[24:24] Speaker 3: There's a little bit more distressing on the front, and
[24:26] Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't know, I just I think
[24:27] Speaker 3: it's a part of me that used to wear distress jeans.
[24:29] Speaker 2: I still have all my distress jeans. Like when people
[24:32] Speaker 2: stopped wearing them. I was really sad about it, so
[24:33] Speaker 2: I feel like I still got that. Yeah, and I
[24:35] Speaker 2: can pull them out now and it's trendy again.
[24:39] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna work on that. Although why
[24:42] Speaker 1: in my mid forties do I feel like I have to?
[24:45] Speaker 1: But I agree they can look very cool, like even
[24:47] Speaker 1: if you do a distress gene but an oversized fitted
[24:50] Speaker 1: kind of blazer, like you don't have to look like
[24:52] Speaker 1: you're going to this game park.
[24:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you know what, It's the same
[24:55] Speaker 2: way I feel about.
[24:56] Speaker 3: You know, we talked about peplum before, how I hate
[24:59] Speaker 3: that when it was around back in the twenty tens
[25:01] Speaker 3: and the way it was styled. But I do think
[25:03] Speaker 3: there's some really chic and unique ways to style it
[25:06] Speaker 3: now that we weren't doing.
[25:07] Speaker 1: Agree, and it was agreed. So if there's a trend
[25:09] Speaker 1: that's coming back, forget how you wore it and look
[25:11] Speaker 1: at it with fresh eyes before you write it off. Yes, okay, Well,
[25:15] Speaker 1: my bougie is inspired by I just got back. Actually
[25:19] Speaker 1: you filled in for me, thank you. I was in
[25:21] Speaker 1: Canada for a workstrip. I was in Toronto, which I'm
[25:24] Speaker 1: moving to you by the way, this is my resignation
[25:26] Speaker 1: only joking. I've been to Toronto a couple of times,
[25:28] Speaker 1: but it's just above New York City. It's New York
[25:30] Speaker 1: City without the madness of you know that country at
[25:34] Speaker 1: the moment. And also the dollars pretty much on path
[25:36] Speaker 1: and they were all going into autumn winter. And what
[25:39] Speaker 1: I love to see was because we're seeing so much
[25:42] Speaker 1: summer or spring summer swede here, they're all the chocolate
[25:47] Speaker 1: and tan Swedes are still everywhere in Zara, in h
[25:50] Speaker 1: and m in Mango, and they get cold, cold, cold there.
[25:53] Speaker 1: So if you are thinking about investing in a Swede anything,
[25:56] Speaker 1: do it now. Wear it through summer. Obviously differently, not
[25:59] Speaker 1: to the beach. But we're seeing a lot of Swyede
[26:03] Speaker 1: for the first time in a hot season. But you're
[26:04] Speaker 1: going to invest. So I saw some really cool women
[26:07] Speaker 1: walking around and it was quite warm for the time
[26:09] Speaker 1: of year, so they were in there Swede loafers but
[26:13] Speaker 1: with shorts and a blazer or Swayede loafers with a
[26:15] Speaker 1: cool flowy maxi, which we can do now and then
[26:19] Speaker 1: you can wear them with you U jeans and stuff later.
[26:21] Speaker 1: So I've got a very affordable pair from one hundred
[26:24] Speaker 1: years ago that I wore on that trip, but it
[26:26] Speaker 1: made me realize actually they fell apart on the trip
[26:29] Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean there's some slippery stairs this so
[26:32] Speaker 1: all fell off. Anyway, I want a new pair of
[26:35] Speaker 1: beautiful kind of swayed I'm calling it a loafer, but
[26:39] Speaker 1: they're not really like a business loafer. It's kind of
[26:41] Speaker 1: a moccasin hybrid. My dream pair are the Todd's driving
[26:47] Speaker 1: shoes in Swede, and how.
[26:49] Speaker 2: Much of those they are?
[26:50] Speaker 1: One thousand, two hundred and thirty dollars. I'm always love them,
[26:54] Speaker 1: but I'm still not going to buy them because they've
[26:56] Speaker 1: got that like classic Todd's tread that's like like a
[26:59] Speaker 1: dry They call it a driving shoe, so I know
[27:01] Speaker 1: the base is durable, ye, But I ain't got one
[27:03] Speaker 1: thousand dollars to spend on sweet shoes.
[27:04] Speaker 2: The dollars are steep.
[27:05] Speaker 1: It's crazy, and I'm tough on my shoes. I do
[27:08] Speaker 1: have some fancy pairs, but I often get them on
[27:10] Speaker 1: deep hop.
[27:10] Speaker 2: Yep.
[27:11] Speaker 1: I'm not spending that much money on new shoes, so
[27:13] Speaker 1: in reality, I think I'm going to get the Sense
[27:15] Speaker 1: so Astro too. They are very similar, you know, like
[27:19] Speaker 1: I said, loafery but not business loafer, casual loafer, a
[27:21] Speaker 1: bit of a moccasin two hundred and forty nine okay,
[27:24] Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of different colour suedes. I'm going
[27:26] Speaker 1: to get the kind of darker tan erring on the
[27:29] Speaker 1: side of brown but not chocolate brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
[27:31] Speaker 1: I just want to wear them forever. I'm so excited.
[27:34] Speaker 1: A loafer is just I love a loafer. And I think,
[27:36] Speaker 1: you know, we all go oh summer blah blah blah,
[27:38] Speaker 1: but I still come to the office and I've done
[27:40] Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Sometimes you want a close stow shoe, yeah, agreed.
[27:43] Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't want to wear sandals into me. Sometimes
[27:45] Speaker 1: you don't have a petty Sometimes the ac.
[27:48] Speaker 3: Is blasting and you just need a kadi and a
[27:51] Speaker 3: pair of los Chelsea.
[27:53] Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I love getting to know you better.
[27:56] Speaker 1: We're going to have you back on quite frequently, I think,
[27:59] Speaker 1: and thank you for filling in for me when I
[28:00] Speaker 1: went away.
[28:01] Speaker 2: Thank you see you soon.
[28:03] Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Nothing to Wear. Don't forget
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