# Sh!tting In The Woods: The Story of Nature Boy featuring @TyreakToldYou!

An episode of [Jade + X. D.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1578749770), 8 May 2026, 1 h 39 min.

Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/71917453/full_nature_doc_1.mp3

We're discussing Hulu's latest doc The Cult of Nature Boy with our friend and social media celebrity Tyreak! Follow Tyreak on all platforms ===> @TyreakToldYou

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Oh worth his gatto. I wanna leave?
[0:05] Speaker 2: Can you beat me up? I'm out on the street
[0:08] Speaker 2: by the corner start, you know, the one on fifteenth
[0:12] Speaker 2: got a bright shirt on. I'm easy to seek.
[0:17] Speaker 3: I've been down here stanning In. Definitely I can't reach
[0:22] Speaker 3: my planet, but I need to believe.
[0:25] Speaker 4: You should see these people. It is hard to believe.
[0:29] Speaker 4: How they treat each other is hard. It can see.
[0:32] Speaker 3: Oh who wo ha ha ha oh ha ha ha
[0:36] Speaker 3: oho ha ha.
[0:38] Speaker 1: Ha whoa whoa pick it up, Tyree.
[0:51] Speaker 5: Wolf wo ha ha.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Come on, give me some duran.
[1:01] Speaker 5: Whoa ha ha.
[1:04] Speaker 3: Yes, everybody, welcome back to the blackest Show about Nothing
[1:14] Speaker 3: as Jade NXD. This week we have a wonderful friend
[1:21] Speaker 3: to the show, friend Irl Tyreek told is here to
[1:26] Speaker 3: tell you what you need to be told.
[1:28] Speaker 4: Is that right?
[1:30] Speaker 1: That's right?
[1:30] Speaker 2: As always, you know, Tyreek comes through with the opinions,
[1:34] Speaker 2: the facts, the commentary, the observations that we.
[1:40] Speaker 3: Are refreshing Brooklyn accent that no longer seems to exist anymore.
[1:45] Speaker 1: Going extinct, going extinct.
[1:47] Speaker 2: Tyrek, you are a special person to this very nasty planet.
[1:51] Speaker 1: How are you today?
[1:52] Speaker 5: I'm doing well.
[1:53] Speaker 6: You know, I'm not in a cult and as far
[1:56] Speaker 6: as I know, I don't think I'll ever join one,
[1:58] Speaker 6: so I sleep easy iPhone Emosi hands.
[2:03] Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels, it feels.
[2:05] Speaker 3: It feels good to know, to be sure of yourself
[2:08] Speaker 3: in that regard, you know what I mean.
[2:09] Speaker 1: We will talk about that.
[2:12] Speaker 2: So this, this this episode came about so very organically.
[2:17] Speaker 2: XD was watching TV as he does, and he called
[2:20] Speaker 2: me and he said, you've got to watch this ship
[2:23] Speaker 2: and I said okay, and then I happened to see
[2:26] Speaker 2: Tyreek posts about this on Instagram and I was like, oh,
[2:31] Speaker 2: that's our episode this week. He said, do you need
[2:33] Speaker 2: a guest, and Tyrek you might be our most returned to.
[2:37] Speaker 1: Guests at this point. I don't know.
[2:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, so it felt it just felt fitting.
[2:43] Speaker 1: It just felt fitting.
[2:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, we we were off last week.
[2:51] Speaker 1: Happy birthday, d.
[2:54] Speaker 4: I don't know, thank you what birthday?
[3:02] Speaker 1: Okay you are the birthday and the cake.
[3:06] Speaker 4: Yes, I had a birthday. It was very, very nice.
[3:12] Speaker 3: I spent it in Santa Barbara. You know, I turned
[3:18] Speaker 3: the Big four zero, so it.
[3:19] Speaker 1: Was special, you know, welcome.
[3:23] Speaker 3: But other than that, you know, it was cool, you know, nothing, nothing.
[3:28] Speaker 3: By the time you're all listening to this, I'm going
[3:29] Speaker 3: to spend some some good time with my mother. So
[3:34] Speaker 3: you know, it's because I'm her only child, so it's
[3:36] Speaker 3: her mommy versary as well. So it's also Mother's Day
[3:40] Speaker 3: this weekend.
[3:41] Speaker 2: If you all forgot, you're getting this Friday, so get
[3:46] Speaker 2: it together real quick.
[3:47] Speaker 3: Yes, so you know we're gonna We're just gonna be
[3:52] Speaker 3: in each other's company.
[3:53] Speaker 1: So yeah, you know what I'm doing for Mother's Day
[3:55] Speaker 1: this year?
[3:56] Speaker 2: Besides that, nigga better get me a facial, you hear me,
[4:01] Speaker 2: We're going to see Jodasy, which feels so.
[4:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, that is.
[4:12] Speaker 4: Are you going to Bbq's beforehand?
[4:15] Speaker 2: No, but my my parents just went to Bbq's. Unbeknownst
[4:19] Speaker 2: they they were.
[4:20] Speaker 1: Very anti that. The other day they were like, you
[4:22] Speaker 1: know what our friends took us Bbq's.
[4:25] Speaker 5: I was like, I hadn't been to BBQ.
[4:29] Speaker 1: Nigga, like fourteen years, I have not been to Bbq's.
[4:33] Speaker 5: I don't think I need to go back.
[4:35] Speaker 4: I couldn't.
[4:36] Speaker 5: Like what do I look like.
[4:39] Speaker 2: With pterodactyl wings and giant fish bowls of liquor of
[4:42] Speaker 2: cheap liquor.
[4:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, but they sponsor all the anti events.
[4:49] Speaker 1: What did you say they sponsored that?
[4:53] Speaker 3: They sponsor all the Auntie evens them, so you know,
[4:56] Speaker 3: like a lot of R and B nights.
[5:00] Speaker 6: You know what, my grandmother died that they have the
[5:02] Speaker 6: l I feel like she'll like order like the big
[5:05] Speaker 6: pan of yellow rice and a thing of corn bread
[5:07] Speaker 6: from them.
[5:11] Speaker 3: Let me tell you how many baby shower I have
[5:14] Speaker 3: been to in the Bronx where it has been nothing
[5:18] Speaker 3: but plates of yellow rice and that textas sheet corn bread.
[5:26] Speaker 4: Nothing else but because give me.
[5:32] Speaker 2: Exactly, we usually order a jerk chicken and bulk if
[5:36] Speaker 2: we want to do a protein that we don't want
[5:38] Speaker 2: to make, and that makes sense, I got me a
[5:42] Speaker 2: new fried chicken spot.
[5:45] Speaker 1: I would judge me if I said this.
[5:47] Speaker 4: So I actually have heard this, Did I say? No?
[5:54] Speaker 2: Well, it's a it's a secret out of shape, uh
[5:58] Speaker 2: the Texas chicken.
[6:02] Speaker 1: No, but let me tell you why, tyre. Let me
[6:04] Speaker 1: tell you why.
[6:05] Speaker 2: First of all, we only go to the one on
[6:06] Speaker 2: Coney Island, right, we go to the one on Coney Island.
[6:09] Speaker 1: Av it's halau and if.
[6:11] Speaker 2: You get halaled chicken, it's fresher than when you get
[6:14] Speaker 2: it from other places.
[6:15] Speaker 1: Like it's fresh chicken.
[6:18] Speaker 2: So these niggas are using hallo chicken and then they
[6:21] Speaker 2: the spicy chicken. I said, I'm impressed. I never thought
[6:26] Speaker 2: I would, And I go right down to the Nigga
[6:28] Speaker 2: spot and get my fried chicken. At this point, no
[6:31] Speaker 2: more Crown, no more Kennedy. I don't want red fried chicken,
[6:34] Speaker 2: but I do eat the Coney Island.
[6:37] Speaker 3: A Texas chicken place I have not ventured to in
[6:41] Speaker 3: a greater part of a decade. I have not been
[6:45] Speaker 3: to a Crown Fried or Kennedy or at Obama fried Chicken,
[6:49] Speaker 3: depending upon which part of King's Highway you're on.
[6:51] Speaker 1: That's true.
[6:52] Speaker 5: I feel like I would.
[6:57] Speaker 1: Noah is going now as a rite of passage.
[7:00] Speaker 2: That's nice, you know, stopping to get a chicken. Sound Yeah,
[7:04] Speaker 2: so it makes sense.
[7:06] Speaker 1: But in our grown ages we probably shouldn't be doing
[7:09] Speaker 1: too much of that. But that Texas allow fried chicken.
[7:12] Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. It's healthy.
[7:14] Speaker 3: And let's jump right into paying bills and get into
[7:22] Speaker 3: some ship.
[7:23] Speaker 4: We're doing docs today.
[7:24] Speaker 3: I know last time we chatted, we had a doc
[7:26] Speaker 3: to cover with Caterpillar.
[7:29] Speaker 4: You and did you watch Caterpillar?
[7:32] Speaker 1: Oh?
[7:34] Speaker 4: You have homework? Yeah?
[7:36] Speaker 1: And I want a video.
[7:38] Speaker 2: I want you to walk down the street and talk
[7:40] Speaker 2: about it.
[7:41] Speaker 4: To be upset.
[7:42] Speaker 2: I want to see how you're able to do that
[7:44] Speaker 2: in a in a social media length of time.
[7:49] Speaker 5: Is it a documentary? A documentaries?
[7:51] Speaker 1: What is it seminary?
[7:54] Speaker 3: It's just one movie on Netflix about a one man's
[7:59] Speaker 3: journey into self acceptance.
[8:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, through I Care capillar.
[8:05] Speaker 6: Yeah, does he like identify what's going on?
[8:09] Speaker 1: We just want you make more sense.
[8:14] Speaker 4: I would.
[8:14] Speaker 3: I would have less problems if he had. If that
[8:18] Speaker 3: person identified.
[8:19] Speaker 4: He was that identified as that would make more sense
[8:23] Speaker 4: to me in this. But yeah, also a black documentary.
[8:28] Speaker 6: Yeah, well there's yeah queer okay, okay.
[8:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's pay some bills. Thank you for tuning
[8:40] Speaker 3: in each and every week tele a friend, tell the friend.
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[9:23] Speaker 3: those things. That's where the Agents of Chaos commune. They
[9:26] Speaker 3: just had a book club meeting. Shout out to you all,
[9:30] Speaker 3: and yeah, this week we are celebrating niggas in nature.
[9:39] Speaker 3: Well we're not celebrating because it's actually a horrible person
[9:42] Speaker 3: behind this, but.
[9:44] Speaker 2: A stranger in Moscow, now that I think about it.
[9:52] Speaker 1: Not the memorizing, not one single you know what, there is.
[10:00] Speaker 4: Nobody tel for documentary.
[10:03] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
[10:05] Speaker 1: Well.
[10:08] Speaker 3: You know what, let me not just I could. I'd
[10:10] Speaker 3: been putting my foot in my mouth, you know. So
[10:12] Speaker 3: let's not say.
[10:14] Speaker 6: A sanitaz version of this story through Hulu.
[10:20] Speaker 2: So I realized when I was hipped by you to.
[10:26] Speaker 1: Pieces of YouTube.
[10:29] Speaker 3: So let's take a break and we'll be back with more.
[10:32] Speaker 3: Jada XD hit it and we're black. We're talking about
[10:39] Speaker 3: Hulu's doc and then we have a lot of like
[10:44] Speaker 3: supplemental information about this but this episode is particularly particularly
[10:49] Speaker 3: centered around the cult of Nature Boy. It is a
[10:54] Speaker 3: doc on Hulu again or Disney Plus, released on Abri
[10:57] Speaker 3: twenty eighth.
[10:58] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we're.
[11:04] Speaker 4: Going to talk about it.
[11:06] Speaker 1: I want to set a disclaimer quickly before.
[11:10] Speaker 3: I was about to get to that, before we dive in.
[11:15] Speaker 3: Big trigger warning in regards to sexual assault coercion. Also
[11:24] Speaker 3: folks who may or may not have been in a
[11:26] Speaker 3: cult and who actually listened to us. I've never really
[11:29] Speaker 3: considered that until I was watching this, So, you know,
[11:34] Speaker 3: just letting you all know now where this is what's happening,
[11:38] Speaker 3: and we will be as sensitive as we can.
[11:42] Speaker 4: Yeah, with the victims.
[11:45] Speaker 2: With the victims, because this is very ridiculous, yes, and
[11:50] Speaker 2: also very harmful.
[11:53] Speaker 6: This is also one of those situations and like the
[11:56] Speaker 6: more you know about the people and the situations, the
[11:59] Speaker 6: horror it is to feel sorry for them.
[12:03] Speaker 7: Oh well, we can't wait to right, Let's talk about details, Okay.
[12:16] Speaker 4: So let's begin in the beginning.
[12:19] Speaker 3: We we need a young man named Elisia, and in
[12:26] Speaker 3: the doc is presented a lot of and a lot
[12:28] Speaker 3: of docs. If we watched, they present it as like
[12:32] Speaker 3: using social media to promote their nonsense and spew their bullshit.
[12:37] Speaker 4: And it opens like.
[12:38] Speaker 3: That we see him, uh talking about watermelons and ship
[12:45] Speaker 3: in paradise, promising.
[12:49] Speaker 4: A better way of life.
[12:52] Speaker 3: Now, my initial thought was and and and I'm glad
[12:59] Speaker 3: you showed this linked to me today to because I
[13:02] Speaker 3: was like, I knew this nigga from somewhere. I don't
[13:09] Speaker 3: know somewhere, and I can't put my finger on it,
[13:14] Speaker 3: but my initial thought was he got away with a
[13:17] Speaker 3: lot because he's fine. And and I see that, and
[13:23] Speaker 3: I get that for both men and women, because yes,
[13:29] Speaker 3: there is the coercion whatever. But the men folk, I
[13:32] Speaker 3: think we've always talked about there a lot of men
[13:34] Speaker 3: who are a lot more homo romantic than they want
[13:36] Speaker 3: to believe. And because he looked a certain way, they
[13:40] Speaker 3: believe that this law of attraction type of thing. Because
[13:45] Speaker 3: we meet his friends eventually who join and they look like.
[13:50] Speaker 4: Who did uchily the brave heart? Have you ever seen
[13:53] Speaker 4: what they look like? They were the.
[13:56] Speaker 2: Worst parts, By the way, we must say that, Okay,
[13:58] Speaker 2: I don't know well all of.
[14:00] Speaker 3: Them niggas that followed him to coast can initially looked
[14:04] Speaker 3: like him and them and I was like you yet,
[14:07] Speaker 3: but AnyWho, it takes place. We meet Alizio. He's born
[14:17] Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty two in Harlem. Born April twenty nine, Yeah,
[14:27] Speaker 3: yes day birthday. He was born to a young woman
[14:35] Speaker 3: and a very old gentleman.
[14:37] Speaker 2: Yes, so he was born into trauma. His mother was
[14:40] Speaker 2: also a heroin addict when he was and he was
[14:44] Speaker 2: born addicted to heroin as a baby and put into
[14:50] Speaker 2: the system relatively early, which I learned through YouTube.
[14:56] Speaker 4: He was put into, which makes score so much of.
[14:59] Speaker 5: What he really never says a chance.
[15:03] Speaker 1: He really didn't. Because I just want to quickly start
[15:06] Speaker 1: off with.
[15:08] Speaker 2: And then we can get into how they opened up
[15:10] Speaker 2: this doc. He was he was born addicted to hero
[15:13] Speaker 2: and he was put into the system with his sister
[15:16] Speaker 2: very early, very young, eventually adopted by a family from Willingborough,
[15:22] Speaker 2: New Jersey, which is also where my father in law lives,
[15:27] Speaker 2: and I never hear anything about Willingborough, and he was
[15:31] Speaker 2: him and his sister were both abused as children and exploited,
[15:36] Speaker 2: and one of their foster families, the father, actually there
[15:40] Speaker 2: was some child pornography and pedophilia going on. So you
[15:44] Speaker 2: know from day one, like you said, Tyreek, he did
[15:47] Speaker 2: not stand a chance.
[15:49] Speaker 1: And then it's very.
[15:51] Speaker 2: Evident all up and through everything that you're watching that
[15:55] Speaker 2: he needs help mentally and like mentally in emotionally.
[16:01] Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that he grew up in like such
[16:04] Speaker 6: an unstable environment and that kind of developed this control issue,
[16:10] Speaker 6: which is how we get to the whole cult thing,
[16:13] Speaker 6: you know, if the world won't give it to me.
[16:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do want to say that stuff
[16:24] Speaker 3: you've watched this in real time go happen. And I
[16:28] Speaker 3: do want to say that the stuff on the internet
[16:31] Speaker 3: does give a bit more context as to who he
[16:34] Speaker 3: is as far as like he also had a lot
[16:39] Speaker 3: of issues surrounding sexuality, right, which is a result, I
[16:45] Speaker 3: don't want to partly a result of his sexual trauma
[16:49] Speaker 3: surrounding you know, his growing up and things like that.
[16:52] Speaker 3: But you know, he he grows up and he becomes
[16:57] Speaker 3: a sex worker. In the documentary talks about him just
[17:03] Speaker 3: being a stripper for men and women, but it.
[17:05] Speaker 4: Actually is quite deeper than that.
[17:07] Speaker 3: He he actually had a sugar daddy who gave him
[17:15] Speaker 3: three thousand dollars a month, which helps kind of was
[17:19] Speaker 3: kind of the steed money for him, you know, moving
[17:22] Speaker 3: to Costa Rica and getting this cult together.
[17:26] Speaker 4: But he worked as an escort.
[17:29] Speaker 3: He also was a womanizer, an abuser, had two children,
[17:35] Speaker 3: which they do not.
[17:36] Speaker 4: Talk about at all. Yeah, he had two little boys.
[17:41] Speaker 1: I believe that.
[17:44] Speaker 4: Ing mm hm, copy, I believe that. So he.
[17:51] Speaker 3: He gets to the point where he is just using
[17:55] Speaker 3: and abusing everybody, and to the point where one of
[17:58] Speaker 3: his one of the children, one of the mothers of
[18:00] Speaker 3: his children, and I don't think I think he has
[18:02] Speaker 3: the same mother.
[18:03] Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
[18:04] Speaker 3: One of the women he abused so bad that he
[18:06] Speaker 3: eventually left him.
[18:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, And he moved tried to move in with his sisters.
[18:12] Speaker 2: You know, his sister. One lived in New York, one
[18:14] Speaker 2: lived in Georgia, I forget in Georgia.
[18:18] Speaker 1: And he was abusive to his sisters.
[18:20] Speaker 2: He ended up getting kicked out of his sister's house
[18:21] Speaker 2: because he was abusive to both of them, who remember,
[18:24] Speaker 2: also grew up in the same circumstances as him.
[18:27] Speaker 3: So right, and like everybody around him sees his mental
[18:32] Speaker 3: health deteriorating, right, It's kind of like a downward spiral.
[18:38] Speaker 3: Everybody around him is like, what the fuck is going on?
[18:41] Speaker 3: You're crashing out, you're hitting me, you hit your sister,
[18:43] Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on? However, there become he
[18:49] Speaker 3: ends up going to put to jail, I believe, right,
[18:52] Speaker 3: mm hm, and gets out and somehow gets his life together.
[18:58] Speaker 4: I'm breezing through.
[19:01] Speaker 3: Are because I'm trying to get to the I'm trying
[19:04] Speaker 3: to get to the good mess.
[19:06] Speaker 4: And he eventually starts a barber.
[19:09] Speaker 3: Shop, oh yeah, in Philadelphia, where he ends up settling.
[19:17] Speaker 3: He has it seems like a like a hood nigga dream,
[19:22] Speaker 3: you know, like you getting money.
[19:24] Speaker 4: You you, you.
[19:26] Speaker 3: Doing all these things. It's also very weird that he
[19:29] Speaker 3: allows his brother to not make money in this shop
[19:32] Speaker 3: being a barber, but he only allows him to be
[19:37] Speaker 3: an artist, which I thought was interesting because it's it's
[19:41] Speaker 3: it's the beginning of this control thing, right, Like he
[19:45] Speaker 3: has a.
[19:47] Speaker 4: Love affair with control and power because.
[19:51] Speaker 2: He never had any from literally from how he was
[19:54] Speaker 2: brought into this world. He didn't have a choice to
[19:57] Speaker 2: be born.
[19:58] Speaker 1: He's like, I didn't even choose.
[19:59] Speaker 2: To to take drugs, but I was born addicted to drugs.
[20:03] Speaker 1: So he literally never had a choice in his life.
[20:06] Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
[20:08] Speaker 3: And like, what's interesting about the doc that doesn't have
[20:15] Speaker 3: that's not on the YouTube doc is the actual voice
[20:18] Speaker 3: of him, right, like explaining these things getting into his mind,
[20:22] Speaker 3: right because he explains kind of how he got into
[20:27] Speaker 3: this My like mind is mindedness of having a cult
[20:31] Speaker 3: or being in a cult because he was Like I
[20:33] Speaker 3: started watching and hanging around people who were elevated and having,
[20:38] Speaker 3: you know, this different type of mentality.
[20:40] Speaker 4: I'm on a different vibration. And how often do.
[20:44] Speaker 3: We hear of niggas being like, oh, I watched this
[20:47] Speaker 3: one video and.
[20:48] Speaker 4: They have all of a sudden their third eye is.
[20:51] Speaker 6: Open to go a little deeper into that. Because that's
[20:56] Speaker 6: how I found out about Nature Boy. I have been
[20:58] Speaker 6: on one of some really ghetto parts of the Internet,
[21:01] Speaker 6: and back in the early twenty tens, those early days
[21:04] Speaker 6: of YouTube, I used to watch those conscious community videos
[21:08] Speaker 6: and not because I agreed with them, but because I
[21:10] Speaker 6: could see how crazy these people were and Nature.
[21:13] Speaker 1: Boy Illuminati videos and all of that.
[21:15] Speaker 6: He came up with Young Pharaoh and Umar Johnson and
[21:19] Speaker 6: Brother Polite. He was a part of that clique and
[21:21] Speaker 6: that's how I learned about him, and it just went
[21:23] Speaker 6: out of control from the air.
[21:24] Speaker 2: So did you watch these videos regularly?
[21:29] Speaker 4: Li?
[21:30] Speaker 2: What where were we at in the journey when you
[21:33] Speaker 2: when you started watching nature again?
[21:37] Speaker 6: Because like I was like just aware of that part
[21:39] Speaker 6: of the Internet. I would see him from like Tim
[21:41] Speaker 6: to Tom, so like I would catch a live stream
[21:44] Speaker 6: on Facebook every now and then sometimes he would pretend
[21:49] Speaker 6: like he's just preaching like the run of the mill
[21:53] Speaker 6: hotep science.
[21:54] Speaker 5: Third, we come from space, our hair is magic, stuff
[21:57] Speaker 5: like that.
[21:58] Speaker 6: And then it went into legamy and you know, don't
[22:02] Speaker 6: take your meds. We don't belong here. Let's go to Africa.
[22:06] Speaker 6: And then he switched it to Central America. It was
[22:09] Speaker 6: just a lot going on, but his message resonated with
[22:12] Speaker 6: people and they stopped taking their medicine and they came
[22:14] Speaker 6: down there with them and shit went down.
[22:17] Speaker 1: Well, listen as a as a you know, as a
[22:21] Speaker 1: person who has lived adjacent to this, to.
[22:25] Speaker 2: This type of yeah, you know, not quite in you know,
[22:29] Speaker 2: adjacent to it.
[22:31] Speaker 1: There's a fine line, right, you know.
[22:33] Speaker 2: Because a lot of our mistrust and distrust and all
[22:37] Speaker 2: of these things comes from white supremacy and you know,
[22:40] Speaker 2: all of the epigenetics of trauma through our bloodlines, and
[22:45] Speaker 2: you know, so we start to question things and the
[22:47] Speaker 2: demonizing of our original religious and spiritual practices, et cetera,
[22:51] Speaker 2: et cetera, And there's a fine line between all of
[22:54] Speaker 2: that and.
[22:56] Speaker 1: What the fuck and people get lost.
[23:00] Speaker 5: Episode would take advantage.
[23:05] Speaker 3: Yes, I was going to say, people will take advantage
[23:07] Speaker 3: of of I don't know where the term would There's
[23:14] Speaker 3: got to be some black academic term to talk about them,
[23:19] Speaker 3: like taking advantage of the grief and the emotion or
[23:24] Speaker 3: the racial vulnerability of us right because of the fact
[23:27] Speaker 3: that we have been subjugated to so much bullshit by
[23:29] Speaker 3: white people that we are looking for some sort of reprieve.
[23:34] Speaker 3: And that's what you see in the beginning of this
[23:36] Speaker 3: doc You have these people, young people like you meet
[23:40] Speaker 3: a young woman named Velvet, you meet this young man
[23:44] Speaker 3: named Aaron, who talk about in the beginning. They talk
[23:49] Speaker 3: about trying to find some place of belonging and try
[23:52] Speaker 3: to get out of this this white hell that you
[23:57] Speaker 3: know they have been in, especially with Aaron. And I
[24:00] Speaker 3: want to talk about Aaron specifically because he was mentioned
[24:04] Speaker 3: in the beginning. This is what got me hooked, because
[24:10] Speaker 3: you know, illiteracy is so dangerous and it has nothing
[24:18] Speaker 3: to do with the effect of like putting to words together,
[24:21] Speaker 3: read and it's the idea of critical thinking and reading, comprehension.
[24:25] Speaker 4: And all those things.
[24:27] Speaker 3: Aaron got on the internet, a got on this documentary
[24:30] Speaker 3: and said, well, I found his YouTube video and I
[24:35] Speaker 3: saw that it had five hundred thousand views, So I
[24:39] Speaker 3: thought that five hundred thousand people watched this and agreed
[24:44] Speaker 3: with it and agreed with it, so he must be
[24:48] Speaker 3: on some truth in light.
[24:52] Speaker 2: No, also, no, and that's that shows how our society
[25:03] Speaker 2: is slipping, is slipping, literacy is dying.
[25:09] Speaker 3: And then what put the icing on the cake was
[25:13] Speaker 3: after he said that, then it's revealed that he was
[25:16] Speaker 3: in the military.
[25:18] Speaker 4: So then I'm like, so.
[25:28] Speaker 6: I really want to know how old he was when
[25:31] Speaker 6: he first saw that video, because that would like give
[25:33] Speaker 6: a lot more insight. But still, there was never a
[25:36] Speaker 6: point in my life where I equated high views on
[25:39] Speaker 6: a video to that means this must be right. You
[25:43] Speaker 6: can get views for all the wrong reasons. That's not
[25:46] Speaker 6: what it means. But he also mentioned that he was
[25:49] Speaker 6: like the only black person in like his town or something,
[25:53] Speaker 6: so he always felt alone and isolated. Then he joined
[25:56] Speaker 6: the military, and like the military gets very controlled and
[25:59] Speaker 6: strong auctured. So I don't think that he knew how
[26:02] Speaker 6: to exist on his own or like have his own mind.
[26:05] Speaker 6: So he was like just actively looking for these this leader,
[26:10] Speaker 6: and he found nature Boy.
[26:13] Speaker 3: I do find it was interesting that leads into how
[26:16] Speaker 3: he structured things as that nature Boy or Aligia was
[26:19] Speaker 3: actually went to the military and he was discharged honorably
[26:25] Speaker 3: because of mental health issues, which I want to know
[26:32] Speaker 3: what happened exactly, Like did he go a wall?
[26:36] Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know.
[26:37] Speaker 2: He's he seemed like a type of nigga who will
[26:40] Speaker 2: go a wall, that is my own speculation, but.
[26:44] Speaker 5: Who struggles with authority like you can't tell.
[26:46] Speaker 2: Him ah ha, yes, Like he got constant insubordination across
[26:52] Speaker 2: the board.
[26:53] Speaker 1: Was you know that mouth probably got him in a
[26:57] Speaker 1: lot of trouble.
[26:59] Speaker 2: And and I want to make sure we talk about
[27:02] Speaker 2: how in episode one they paint this right. I know,
[27:05] Speaker 2: we like gave you all a lot of contexts initially,
[27:08] Speaker 2: but they start this off so it's called searching for Paradise.
[27:12] Speaker 2: And so again because of all of the reasons of
[27:16] Speaker 2: why we question authority and government and all of these things.
[27:21] Speaker 2: His ideals were, you know, living in being one with
[27:26] Speaker 2: the earth, black people, melanated people, you know, being high
[27:31] Speaker 2: of high power, anti society, anti government, anti authority, you know,
[27:37] Speaker 2: in the ways that are harmful to us, and black utopia. Right,
[27:43] Speaker 2: So these this is how he got people in if
[27:46] Speaker 2: we look at the timeline too, the years, right, he
[27:50] Speaker 2: was born eighty two. All right, he's our age range, right,
[27:55] Speaker 2: he's an elder millennial.
[27:57] Speaker 1: Well okay, all right.
[28:03] Speaker 2: All right, Tyrek, but he is an elder millennial as
[28:07] Speaker 2: we are. And a lot of these people were young.
[28:11] Speaker 2: He started this shit like twenty eighteen.
[28:14] Speaker 5: I would say, around time is twenty sixteen ish.
[28:18] Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen ish, twenty sixteen I turned I was already
[28:22] Speaker 2: in my thirties, you know what I'm saying.
[28:24] Speaker 1: These people, a lot of.
[28:26] Speaker 2: Them were early that were early twenties, just getting out
[28:30] Speaker 2: of college. We met with Velvet herself. She was a
[28:34] Speaker 2: college age girl.
[28:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.
[28:37] Speaker 3: When I was watching this, I was like, you know,
[28:39] Speaker 3: a lot of us have like Moesha or like Freddy complexes,
[28:44] Speaker 3: like when we get to college and we get natural
[28:48] Speaker 3: and we get a nigga like Shazza, and we want
[28:51] Speaker 3: to like change the world and like do spoken word.
[28:55] Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean?
[28:57] Speaker 3: Well, watching, yes, well exactly, Well, how Freddie went corporate
[29:05] Speaker 3: and started didn't she just leave?
[29:07] Speaker 4: She's left?
[29:07] Speaker 2: Look and you saw how you saw how shaz started
[29:10] Speaker 2: treating her when she put her hair back in the butt.
[29:14] Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly exactly.
[29:18] Speaker 3: They are insane, exactly, but yeah, we we we.
[29:26] Speaker 4: Meet initially Velvet.
[29:28] Speaker 3: Velvet is very integral to the story. Velvet is from
[29:33] Speaker 3: New Orleans, Louisiana. I don't want to say New Orleans specifically,
[29:39] Speaker 3: but she's from Louisiana and she too was in college.
[29:44] Speaker 3: They kept showing to Lane University, so I'm going to
[29:46] Speaker 3: assume that's where she was going. And so, you know,
[29:51] Speaker 3: figuring life out, you know.
[29:53] Speaker 2: Also vulnerable because remember Velvet lived in poverty and.
[29:58] Speaker 4: She she was Yeah, I was gonna she was.
[30:02] Speaker 3: Broke all her life, you know, like you know, a
[30:06] Speaker 3: lot like a lot of us, you know, just living
[30:08] Speaker 3: in struggle whatever that means, right, and she was trying
[30:11] Speaker 3: to look for a way out, especially community, right, if
[30:16] Speaker 3: there's other folks who are like.
[30:18] Speaker 4: Me, you know, I want to be amongst the people.
[30:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, so she reached out and she started watching the
[30:28] Speaker 3: videos on Melanation TV.
[30:35] Speaker 4: I want to never mind.
[30:37] Speaker 3: No, we got to be more fruitful if we're going
[30:43] Speaker 3: to grift, like you know what I mean.
[30:47] Speaker 4: Explain But again, people.
[30:51] Speaker 3: Well, well you know what if you're going to get
[30:54] Speaker 3: grift from that sect of people, calling this melanation does
[30:57] Speaker 3: make sense?
[30:58] Speaker 4: Right, Like when I think about.
[31:01] Speaker 1: I was more tickled by carbonation.
[31:04] Speaker 4: Oh that's a hoot.
[31:09] Speaker 6: Another name before those two, they were originally called the Ethereals,
[31:14] Speaker 6: and then it changed to melanation and then carbonation, and
[31:17] Speaker 6: then like towards the tail end, he was the three
[31:20] Speaker 6: God or something like that.
[31:22] Speaker 5: That was before he went to prison.
[31:25] Speaker 2: Oh he was at peak psychosis at that point.
[31:30] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[31:30] Speaker 8: Yeah, But any who, if I want to say something
[31:37] Speaker 8: about like the recruitment process, because no said she was
[31:41] Speaker 8: talking to old men, I think one of the one
[31:44] Speaker 8: of the men she was like talking to, like they
[31:46] Speaker 8: were kind of flirting.
[31:47] Speaker 6: Or whatever, and then he invited her out to the
[31:50] Speaker 6: retreat and that's how she went. They were doing that
[31:53] Speaker 6: to all of the women. They would have like the
[31:54] Speaker 6: men flirt with the girls in the comment and that's
[31:56] Speaker 6: how they would convince them to come and fly out.
[31:59] Speaker 6: So she thinks she's forming that's connection with this man.
[32:02] Speaker 6: You're like one off twenty girls hes talking to to
[32:04] Speaker 6: get you all to bring your glasses out here.
[32:07] Speaker 2: I also want niggas to really, if I may so, sorry,
[32:12] Speaker 2: let's talk about retreat culture for a hot second, because
[32:17] Speaker 2: you niggas have taken retreat culture and run it amok.
[32:22] Speaker 2: You call every goddamn thing a retreat and you've got
[32:25] Speaker 2: to stop or retreat you know, says that we are
[32:30] Speaker 2: going to something for healing. We are going to something
[32:34] Speaker 2: that has practitioners who have been trained in specific ways
[32:40] Speaker 2: to assist us in these healings. And I feel like
[32:42] Speaker 2: this term has been bastardized when oftentimes, you know, you
[32:47] Speaker 2: alls retreats our hedonism, and there's nothing wrong with hedonism.
[32:52] Speaker 2: I just want you to say that that's what it is,
[32:54] Speaker 2: because I know niggas will be like, yeah, I'm about
[32:56] Speaker 2: to go to hedonism.
[32:57] Speaker 1: Cool, we know what we're going to expect. I know
[33:00] Speaker 1: where you're going. But niggas have now started masking hedonism
[33:03] Speaker 1: with retreats, and it's.
[33:06] Speaker 4: Dangerous abuse, camps, abuse.
[33:08] Speaker 2: Kims, whatever you want to call it. Yes, yeah, not retreats.
[33:15] Speaker 1: Is what they are.
[33:15] Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm seeing retreats across the board
[33:18] Speaker 2: by people who don't have no business facilitating anything.
[33:22] Speaker 3: Well, you know what was interesting because with his first
[33:26] Speaker 3: recruitment process, where he thought he was just gonna be
[33:29] Speaker 3: nothing but women, because there was nothing but women who
[33:31] Speaker 3: were in the live chats and hyping him up. Who
[33:35] Speaker 3: was the first folks to join him in Costa Rica.
[33:38] Speaker 6: Men, and you know what you mentioned the homo romanticism earlier.
[33:43] Speaker 6: The YouTube dot goes much more in depth about the
[33:46] Speaker 6: same sex relations because there was a whole lot of
[33:48] Speaker 6: that going on and the whole they dabbed a little
[33:52] Speaker 6: bit that that was a key element of all of this, so.
[33:57] Speaker 1: Uh huh, they were well put up in that when.
[34:04] Speaker 5: This is what happened.
[34:05] Speaker 1: There's so much information.
[34:08] Speaker 4: So much energy. We're having a general conversation.
[34:10] Speaker 3: You normally we took notes, but I told Jay, we
[34:13] Speaker 3: need to watch this in general.
[34:15] Speaker 4: I didn't just to have it.
[34:16] Speaker 2: Didn't make points after though, because I needed to keep
[34:19] Speaker 2: some organizations.
[34:22] Speaker 4: The virgo and.
[34:25] Speaker 1: I can't help it. I can't help it.
[34:29] Speaker 2: But that was essentially episode one, right. It was just introducing.
[34:33] Speaker 2: It was introducing the ideal of what this was touched on,
[34:38] Speaker 2: how it started, and then you get you all gave
[34:40] Speaker 2: us more context.
[34:42] Speaker 1: It wasn't feeling cultish.
[34:44] Speaker 5: No, the signs were there, but it wasn't you.
[34:49] Speaker 1: Know, there were.
[34:54] Speaker 3: But let's take a quick break and we'll be back
[34:58] Speaker 3: with more. Jada XTD hit it and we're black. We're
[35:03] Speaker 3: having a conversation about Hulu's documentary called the Cult of
[35:08] Speaker 3: Nature Boy with supplemental information from the Internet with our
[35:13] Speaker 3: friend to me.
[35:16] Speaker 4: We're moving on to episode two.
[35:19] Speaker 3: Where it highlights a lot of the interpersonal relationships and
[35:27] Speaker 3: how he dictated them or my other favorite part that
[35:35] Speaker 3: I think was an episode one was when he was
[35:39] Speaker 3: when Eligio decided to allow white people to join us
[35:49] Speaker 3: a little deeper, so you'll have to fill the holes
[35:54] Speaker 3: and for me there So what happens in the doc
[35:57] Speaker 3: is that you know, it's melanation blah blah blah blah,
[36:00] Speaker 3: but we meet this gentleman from this Puerto Rican gentleman.
[36:06] Speaker 4: I want to say, who is.
[36:08] Speaker 3: You know, a fair complexion and he is looking for
[36:12] Speaker 3: something similar, right, He's looking for something right. And he
[36:21] Speaker 3: eventually comes and Alisio the Christ which he's known as.
[36:26] Speaker 3: Eventually he's like, it's okay, you'll tan yeah. Then they
[36:33] Speaker 3: then they allowed a white woman to come in, White
[36:40] Speaker 3: Girl number one, the only white girl they ever had
[36:43] Speaker 3: that I know where.
[36:46] Speaker 4: She was there for like two weeks and she was like, okay, guys,
[36:51] Speaker 4: that was funny.
[36:54] Speaker 3: And the funny part is is that wherever she was from,
[36:57] Speaker 3: they was out looking for her. They had signs and
[37:00] Speaker 3: they put her ass on the back of the milk
[37:02] Speaker 3: carton she they were like, oh my gosh.
[37:06] Speaker 4: Katie's god, she's been abducted by black people.
[37:09] Speaker 3: And then when she got home and she was like,
[37:12] Speaker 3: it was cool, like and I want to I.
[37:15] Speaker 1: Don't know if we said it.
[37:17] Speaker 2: All of this ship was live stream, so nobody really
[37:21] Speaker 2: had to.
[37:22] Speaker 5: Look for their family.
[37:23] Speaker 2: They were there the whole time because this nigga was
[37:26] Speaker 2: so egotistical and narcissistic that he he didn't find anything
[37:34] Speaker 2: wrong with what he was doing at all until even now,
[37:40] Speaker 2: even now, yeah, even now.
[37:43] Speaker 1: So this is where we become.
[37:44] Speaker 2: This is where we switched from the melanation to the
[37:47] Speaker 2: to the.
[37:48] Speaker 1: Carbonation, carbonation, carbon carbonation.
[37:52] Speaker 5: I don't want to say one thing about the white girl.
[37:55] Speaker 6: It's like you said, everything was live stream when it
[37:58] Speaker 6: was just the black people, Nobody cared that white girl
[38:01] Speaker 6: came down there from Canada her parents, so where she
[38:04] Speaker 6: was at, they called the news, they called the police,
[38:07] Speaker 6: they caught the contulent and the the BBC, the British
[38:12] Speaker 6: broadcasting channel, they did their own documentary about Nature Boy
[38:16] Speaker 6: and the cult because that white girl was here and
[38:18] Speaker 6: that was what initially blew him up for real.
[38:21] Speaker 4: For real. So yeah, that's what I was saying.
[38:25] Speaker 3: When I was watching, I was like, oh, nobody gave
[38:27] Speaker 3: his ship until a little until little Katie missing. Yeah,
[38:30] Speaker 3: and she'd even go missing because this bitch was on
[38:33] Speaker 3: on the YouTube like God's great, not.
[38:36] Speaker 2: Even just that they see her on it and they
[38:38] Speaker 2: see this, they see this black man calling himself King
[38:42] Speaker 2: and Christ and they were like, frighten, get her out,
[38:45] Speaker 2: get her there, you.
[38:50] Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
[38:51] Speaker 2: So and this is also where he started establishing a hierarchy,
[38:57] Speaker 2: because initially there was no hierarchy.
[39:00] Speaker 1: It was just vibes, you know, it was just vibes
[39:03] Speaker 1: in nature or as Tyreek said, shitting in the woods.
[39:10] Speaker 2: But this is where we start establishing the queen who
[39:15] Speaker 2: was Velve. Velvet became the queen and the men, uh
[39:19] Speaker 2: the idea that you know.
[39:21] Speaker 1: Which is also playing right into the white supremacy. So
[39:24] Speaker 1: you're just so contradictory.
[39:25] Speaker 2: But the men, you know, being the end all be
[39:29] Speaker 2: alls and the women being submissive kind of ideology.
[39:33] Speaker 3: Now I did not realize. So the documentary portrays Velvet
[39:38] Speaker 3: a k a. E. J. Because they all have their
[39:40] Speaker 3: own line names or what calls them their business names, yeah,
[39:52] Speaker 3: I have to tell the story. This is totally random.
[39:55] Speaker 3: So I was watching lestous Massacre on I love her,
[39:58] Speaker 3: and she.
[40:00] Speaker 4: She was she went yeah back and so she was in.
[40:05] Speaker 3: She went to the American Girl Doll store, and so
[40:08] Speaker 3: she started calling every doll t s because they're the dolls.
[40:12] Speaker 4: She was like, it's t s addie s.
[40:20] Speaker 5: Got to be CDs.
[40:26] Speaker 4: Yes, girl, sorry, let's just let's just make no.
[40:32] Speaker 2: I I got into her after you told me to
[40:34] Speaker 2: go get to the videos.
[40:35] Speaker 1: And I bought a bit.
[40:39] Speaker 4: Thirty minutes she'd be in the Walmart and I am
[40:43] Speaker 4: tuned in.
[40:45] Speaker 6: Girl, what's going on at the Burlings, Jessica Simpson, don't
[40:54] Speaker 6: get me start.
[40:54] Speaker 5: I need a change.
[40:57] Speaker 2: No, we're gonna do a whole separate you have to
[40:59] Speaker 2: come back for patron Trek where we do some luscious
[41:01] Speaker 2: massacre content because the listeners we all need to be
[41:05] Speaker 2: apart together.
[41:07] Speaker 3: I had laughed because it was like her dead name AnyWho,
[41:11] Speaker 3: so Velvet. She was not the first wife that I learned.
[41:16] Speaker 3: I thought she was the first one. Remember she was.
[41:19] Speaker 3: She went to go meet with Omec. She was chatting
[41:21] Speaker 3: with o Mac, which is the same name from the
[41:24] Speaker 3: thing from the legend of the Hidden Temple. I just
[41:26] Speaker 3: want to let you know.
[41:28] Speaker 6: You know, there is a brand of hoteps that believe
[41:32] Speaker 6: black people are indigenous to the Americas and they use
[41:36] Speaker 6: that old mechhead.
[41:37] Speaker 1: Because foundational Black Americans.
[41:41] Speaker 2: Huh yeah, they hate my fucking guts, nigga, do you hear? Yeah?
[41:49] Speaker 5: They got another side note.
[41:52] Speaker 6: I saw some foolishes online and they basically told a
[41:57] Speaker 6: black girl she was African. They told her she's not
[42:00] Speaker 6: because she's African, and I'm like, no, black people can
[42:03] Speaker 6: be from other countries. And then like, because they saw
[42:05] Speaker 6: a Brooklyn in my bio, they assumed I was Caribbean
[42:08] Speaker 6: and they started calling me a tether and told me
[42:10] Speaker 6: to go back to my island, like my family's from
[42:13] Speaker 6: down South.
[42:14] Speaker 1: For what I'm saying, you already know.
[42:20] Speaker 2: They don't believe there is a diaspora. They don't believe
[42:24] Speaker 2: we are a part of the diaspora.
[42:26] Speaker 1: And they listen, I've.
[42:26] Speaker 2: Been called I told you I will forever stay Cola Boof.
[42:29] Speaker 2: You're with your nutty ass. You gave me the best
[42:32] Speaker 2: insult ever. That bitch Black israelated me and called me
[42:35] Speaker 2: one percent milk on it.
[42:40] Speaker 1: I had to laugh.
[42:41] Speaker 2: I still laugh many years later, exactly. So Nigga bruh bone,
[42:50] Speaker 2: Nigga bo bro.
[42:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're.
[42:53] Speaker 2: Unhinged and very entertaining, but they very unhinged. But so, No,
[42:59] Speaker 2: she was not the first queen and that was not
[43:02] Speaker 2: She wasn't interested in him in that way.
[43:06] Speaker 3: No, And as soon as I started the second episode,
[43:08] Speaker 3: I was like, oh, here comes the sexual assault. I
[43:11] Speaker 3: was like, can't be too far. So like he Alisio
[43:17] Speaker 3: wanted to be in charge. At first, it was like,
[43:19] Speaker 3: it's free love, you choose who you want, you know,
[43:22] Speaker 3: it's it's connection, you know, vibes. And then it changed.
[43:29] Speaker 3: He says, I'm gonna put y'all together. I'm gonna be
[43:33] Speaker 3: anti Sema from Mumbai and I'm going to put y'all
[43:36] Speaker 3: together because this is who I y'all need to be
[43:39] Speaker 3: in the divine image of me.
[43:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he would then he would partner them
[43:44] Speaker 2: up and they would get married. But they get married
[43:48] Speaker 2: in a way that the tunnel people, you know, like
[43:50] Speaker 2: according to their.
[43:51] Speaker 1: Law or not. I don't. That's how they get married,
[43:58] Speaker 1: you know, it's not by us law.
[44:00] Speaker 5: Into religious.
[44:03] Speaker 4: Beef.
[44:05] Speaker 2: Hello, that's how we keep with the section eight in
[44:08] Speaker 2: the food steps. But it was very harmful because then
[44:14] Speaker 2: it started to become this harem situation. Now we're gonna
[44:22] Speaker 2: we put the disclaimer. We're going to get to that
[44:24] Speaker 2: in a second before it gets too serious. Was he
[44:30] Speaker 2: purchasing butterfly wings off of Amazon and making these young
[44:35] Speaker 2: ladies put on these costumes?
[44:38] Speaker 1: Did you see that?
[44:39] Speaker 5: Did you all see that? That was I think latering
[44:42] Speaker 5: down the line?
[44:43] Speaker 1: Well was that later?
[44:44] Speaker 3: Okay, we'll put a pin in that thin we'll they
[44:48] Speaker 3: started to he had like you could tell he was
[44:50] Speaker 3: acting out different sexual fans.
[44:53] Speaker 1: Yes, very Sam Levinson, that man is disturbed.
[44:57] Speaker 6: Another thing I would say with the whole doc, because
[45:01] Speaker 6: we only saw like maybe four of the members, there
[45:03] Speaker 6: was way there were like dozens at probably one hundred
[45:06] Speaker 6: people who were in and out.
[45:08] Speaker 5: And Velvet was not the first queen.
[45:11] Speaker 6: The first queen left, but she saw Bubba was going on,
[45:13] Speaker 6: and then Velvet was next in line.
[45:15] Speaker 5: She was a lot more naive, not.
[45:18] Speaker 6: As quick on her feet, so she put up with
[45:20] Speaker 6: a lot more stuff than the original queen did.
[45:22] Speaker 2: So yeah, and part thirty five, I was telling you, Tyreek,
[45:29] Speaker 2: we meet the first trans queen. So he brings the
[45:35] Speaker 2: first trans Queen Part thirty five, who she also left.
[45:39] Speaker 2: He was like, she wasn't living there. She was there
[45:42] Speaker 2: for a couple of days and he was trying to
[45:44] Speaker 2: get her to stay, and he was like you want to,
[45:46] Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna be a part, You're gonna come
[45:48] Speaker 2: live with us, and she was like, no.
[45:50] Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that.
[45:52] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[45:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, Elizio, by all accounts, if you were to describe
[46:00] Speaker 3: the label and his sexuality, it would be pan sexual actual, Yeah,
[46:04] Speaker 3: because he definitely revered trans women. Yeah, he did, and
[46:08] Speaker 3: he and he talks about that openly and even to
[46:12] Speaker 3: the point where further and even in the Hulu doc
[46:15] Speaker 3: he encourages the men to be with trans women. It's
[46:19] Speaker 3: a fucked up reason why he tells them to do this,
[46:23] Speaker 3: but he but he does express his affinity for trans women,
[46:29] Speaker 3: and yeah, throughout his live lives. Let's go with that,
[46:33] Speaker 3: because that's what we hear.
[46:35] Speaker 1: Like A said, it's not.
[46:36] Speaker 6: Sort of upset that his absolute best sexual experience was
[46:40] Speaker 6: with a trans woman in Atlanta.
[46:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did.
[46:45] Speaker 2: And he later on went on to say, like, you know,
[46:50] Speaker 2: this is not feminine energy at this point, you want
[46:52] Speaker 2: to call things feminine or gay?
[46:54] Speaker 1: Or whatever.
[46:55] Speaker 2: He said, it's feline, and he had his harem of
[47:01] Speaker 2: women around him and or his victims should I say,
[47:08] Speaker 2: And he proceeded to talk about the feline energy and
[47:12] Speaker 2: then he went into.
[47:13] Speaker 1: The uh mao mixed commercial jingle. First he like, I'm no,
[47:21] Speaker 1: I'm dead ass.
[47:21] Speaker 2: So so he's they're all standing there and he's like.
[47:26] Speaker 1: See, it's not feminine.
[47:27] Speaker 2: It's not gay, y'all a DEMONI is not gay. It's
[47:29] Speaker 2: not feminine.
[47:30] Speaker 1: It's feline.
[47:31] Speaker 2: He's like, that's why it goes cock co co co co. Yes,
[47:36] Speaker 2: he's doing this in the video, and then he goes
[47:40] Speaker 2: he said, that's why round round you're all felines.
[47:42] Speaker 1: You're felines.
[47:43] Speaker 2: And then he's like mail meo mail mal meal and
[47:46] Speaker 2: then everybody joins in and they sing it together. And
[47:49] Speaker 2: this is where this is where I was like, I
[47:52] Speaker 2: have to be so careful how we talk about this,
[47:55] Speaker 2: because this is this is insanity. Is there's very harmful parts,
[48:01] Speaker 2: but then there.
[48:02] Speaker 1: Are parts that were just you know, you're righteous.
[48:05] Speaker 4: I don't want to think.
[48:07] Speaker 3: There are parts where I'm like, nobody is just like
[48:09] Speaker 3: sitting there and just like, hey, ain't this And I
[48:13] Speaker 3: know that they talk about in this doc about like
[48:16] Speaker 3: you might want to say something, but you live in
[48:18] Speaker 3: fear because the next nigga might rat you out.
[48:20] Speaker 4: And you get a beatdown or whatever.
[48:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's low key like our current government, right because
[48:25] Speaker 3: I'm like, there's no some of y'all got to have
[48:29] Speaker 3: y'all know, but y'all are too afraid or of whatever
[48:33] Speaker 3: repercussions may happen to you.
[48:37] Speaker 4: So that's yeah, which.
[48:38] Speaker 6: Is another thing that Dot didn't really talk about. He
[48:41] Speaker 6: took their IDs and their passports, so a lot of
[48:43] Speaker 6: them couldn't just come and go as they please. A
[48:45] Speaker 6: lot of them did leave, and people were like leaving
[48:47] Speaker 6: and coming back. Also that's a whole other thing, leaving
[48:50] Speaker 6: their kids behind and stuff. But yeah, they were afraid
[48:53] Speaker 6: most of the time.
[48:54] Speaker 2: So wait, talk about these kids because that I know
[48:59] Speaker 2: you touched that and I don't think I got to
[49:02] Speaker 2: all of that. So people were leaving, I know they
[49:04] Speaker 2: were a lot of these young people were leaving their
[49:06] Speaker 2: families and telling their families like turning their locations off
[49:10] Speaker 2: and blocking them.
[49:11] Speaker 4: And Aaron's wife she.
[49:16] Speaker 2: Did that, she did, but there were folks who So
[49:18] Speaker 2: this was getting into Jim Jones territory where people were leaving.
[49:22] Speaker 1: They didn't bring their families with him. This was not
[49:24] Speaker 1: a child friendly situation.
[49:26] Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of them already had kids.
[49:29] Speaker 6: They just left them behind, They left everything and came
[49:32] Speaker 6: out there with him. Some of them had children while
[49:35] Speaker 6: they were there, Like they got pregnant on the retreat
[49:37] Speaker 6: and had kids. And the YouTube documentary you find out
[49:42] Speaker 6: that uh, nature Boy's first baby mother let the son
[49:46] Speaker 6: go out there for a few months, which.
[49:48] Speaker 5: I think was a horrible idea. And Nature Boy had the.
[49:51] Speaker 6: Boy on camera shitting outside and was posting it on Facebook. Yeah,
[49:56] Speaker 6: and this was also around the time that the videos
[49:58] Speaker 6: of him saying that he let his son play with his.
[50:02] Speaker 5: We we that's going viral.
[50:04] Speaker 6: So the baby mother is seeing all of this while
[50:06] Speaker 6: her son is out there with them. But one day
[50:10] Speaker 6: they were in Cancun, Mexico, she came down there and
[50:13] Speaker 6: grabbed her son and left.
[50:14] Speaker 2: So, yeah, what does she let Was she aware of this?
[50:22] Speaker 2: I'm not putting a blot, I'm just trying to understand
[50:26] Speaker 2: was she was.
[50:27] Speaker 1: She in this in this video that you were talking about. No, Like,
[50:31] Speaker 1: does she speak? Okay?
[50:33] Speaker 2: I wonder if she was aware of the levels of.
[50:37] Speaker 5: I think she was finding out just as we were
[50:40] Speaker 5: via lobster.
[50:41] Speaker 2: Okay, so she let him go in there like he
[50:43] Speaker 2: needs to go be with his dad for a little
[50:45] Speaker 2: bit type ship.
[50:47] Speaker 4: No, No, that's weird.
[50:49] Speaker 5: I agree with you. I wouldn't let my kid because.
[50:51] Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand.
[50:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, you go out there and be with your daddy
[50:57] Speaker 3: who's just eating watermelon and shipping in the wood, and
[51:01] Speaker 3: forgot to talk about them in the fucking woulds? What
[51:05] Speaker 3: a kaya say? All these hookers and pedophiles and whatever
[51:08] Speaker 3: out ship like that, and you having my baby?
[51:12] Speaker 2: How old was this child when he went to He
[51:14] Speaker 2: was like maybe five or six, very very young.
[51:20] Speaker 3: That puts a lot. That puts a different layer of
[51:22] Speaker 3: this documentary to me.
[51:23] Speaker 2: But yeah, because I also was they didn't mention the
[51:26] Speaker 2: kids a lot, And I understand kids are very sacred,
[51:28] Speaker 2: we have to protect them, but I was I needed
[51:31] Speaker 2: more context around. They mentioned that baby, right, the baby
[51:35] Speaker 2: that when when he would beat Velvet in a circle,
[51:38] Speaker 2: they would move the baby out or whatever. So the
[51:41] Speaker 2: baby didn't witness that was but it didn't feel like
[51:43] Speaker 2: he had That was Velvet's baby, right, and she had
[51:46] Speaker 2: two by him, I believe, right, But they didn't touch
[51:50] Speaker 2: a lot on the other kids. So that's where I
[51:53] Speaker 2: wasn't sure. Yeah, so I wasn't sure how active or not.
[51:56] Speaker 2: It felt like he just made babies and then would
[51:59] Speaker 2: move on to whatever the next thing was. I didn't
[52:01] Speaker 2: realize he kept contact with the.
[52:03] Speaker 1: Mothers and stuff.
[52:04] Speaker 6: Even with how many kids did he end up having.
[52:07] Speaker 6: I don't know how many kids he has, it's a lot.
[52:09] Speaker 6: But they were appropriating, like on the retreat too. I
[52:13] Speaker 6: think I just finished episode nine of a YouTube doc
[52:16] Speaker 6: and the last thing I saw one of the couples,
[52:19] Speaker 6: the girl got pregnant and gave birth a month premature
[52:23] Speaker 6: on the side of a mountain.
[52:26] Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that makes and that's the thing about this doc, right,
[52:32] Speaker 3: Like they didn't have any type of real medical anything.
[52:37] Speaker 4: So let's talk about the golden pot.
[52:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, Elisia, the Christ did not refer to his excrement
[52:53] Speaker 3: as defecation or urination or anything.
[52:57] Speaker 4: He thought that it was a pot of gold.
[53:01] Speaker 3: Everybody work was the first night that Velvet was there,
[53:05] Speaker 3: she had to ship And yes, I want to talk
[53:11] Speaker 3: about eventually the like the camp girls, but essentially they
[53:13] Speaker 3: would get airbnbs but also sleep outside intents. Thats right,
[53:20] Speaker 3: so the first night she went to go shipping the toilet,
[53:23] Speaker 3: she was like, I'm fuck y'all. However, the next day
[53:28] Speaker 3: there was a whole big discussion about you know, flashing
[53:34] Speaker 3: the toilet, Yeah, shting the toilet. So from then on
[53:37] Speaker 3: she had to ship in the pot and then use
[53:40] Speaker 3: it as fertilizer or what they believe fertilized it would be,
[53:47] Speaker 3: because that's not how it works entirely, and that's how
[53:52] Speaker 3: they grew vegetation. Velvet said she grew a tomato plant
[53:55] Speaker 3: out of her dookie.
[53:58] Speaker 4: That's crazy.
[54:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you can't, I'm not saying with composting, right,
[54:04] Speaker 3: But it's also like.
[54:07] Speaker 4: There's some other ship that's going on. They're only eating.
[54:12] Speaker 3: Oranges and fruits and ships who knows what their blood
[54:15] Speaker 3: sugar levels are, Like you know.
[54:17] Speaker 6: Him, No, not him, because yeah, they got kicked off
[54:21] Speaker 6: of the first property because like they were all shipping
[54:24] Speaker 6: in the same spot, and the neighbors complained and like
[54:27] Speaker 6: the government got involved because like you're destroying the ecosystem.
[54:30] Speaker 5: This is toxic.
[54:31] Speaker 6: This is not how we grow plants out here. We
[54:33] Speaker 6: don't just ship outside and grow crops.
[54:36] Speaker 3: See that's what I was saying it's not how you
[54:39] Speaker 3: do that. I also wanted to point they got they
[54:42] Speaker 3: got deported a lot, yes, everywhere, all the time, everywhere,
[54:46] Speaker 3: not just kicked out of the properties.
[54:48] Speaker 4: They got kicked off in the countries.
[54:49] Speaker 5: That because nature Boy was up the bud.
[54:51] Speaker 4: I also learned that you could.
[54:53] Speaker 6: But Nature Boy was of the belief that he was
[54:55] Speaker 6: above man made laws, so laws like immigration.
[54:59] Speaker 5: And visus and stuff didn't apply to him.
[55:01] Speaker 6: He would actually tell them not to get their passport
[55:04] Speaker 6: stamped yep.
[55:06] Speaker 2: And then it created a whole brew haha on on
[55:10] Speaker 2: one of the buses when they were where was it
[55:12] Speaker 2: in Mexico.
[55:13] Speaker 5: I think it was Costa Rica or Nicarago.
[55:16] Speaker 2: Nkal they where they were trying to trying to stamp
[55:20] Speaker 2: the path and he was like, no, don't give it
[55:22] Speaker 2: to him, and like I will die for the cause.
[55:24] Speaker 2: Nobody signed up for that at that point.
[55:27] Speaker 6: A lot of them left after that they were about
[55:29] Speaker 6: to go. Some of them stayed on here. Yeah, left,
[55:34] Speaker 6: And this was after he would on that man's money
[55:36] Speaker 6: because they got to get up their credit cards and
[55:38] Speaker 6: stuff too, So you maxed out that man's credit cards,
[55:40] Speaker 6: put his life in danger, and then sent them home.
[55:44] Speaker 2: He took Velvets college money, three thousand dollars. Put it
[55:48] Speaker 2: they all had to put it into.
[55:49] Speaker 6: The One guy gave him thousand dollars from his inheritance. Yes, yeah,
[55:55] Speaker 6: a black man inherited three hundred thousand dollars and gave
[55:58] Speaker 6: it all to nature.
[55:59] Speaker 2: Boy, you know we've got to you know, as as
[56:04] Speaker 2: the mother here, as the mother here, if I made
[56:08] Speaker 2: just for a hot second, I mean.
[56:11] Speaker 5: You know you are mother.
[56:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, the overall, stay on top of these kids.
[56:19] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, we've got to be
[56:21] Speaker 2: a part of our children's lives.
[56:23] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? In every form and fast.
[56:25] Speaker 4: What are you doing?
[56:27] Speaker 2: Ask them questions, be interested in what they're doing, and
[56:30] Speaker 2: also get these niggas checked out when they need to
[56:34] Speaker 2: be motherfucking checked out. Get your kids some therapy. If
[56:37] Speaker 2: you know they've gone through some shit. You've tried your best.
[56:40] Speaker 2: You can't always control everything that happens, but if something
[56:43] Speaker 2: traumatic happens, get the Get these little niggas some therapy,
[56:46] Speaker 2: Get them the assistance that they need for whatever it
[56:49] Speaker 2: is that they need in life, so that we can
[56:51] Speaker 2: get fewer people who fall victim to shit like this.
[56:56] Speaker 2: And I understand that we're not gonna be able to
[56:58] Speaker 2: control all of that until illness is real, trauma is real.
[57:02] Speaker 2: There are people out there who don't have families. They're
[57:05] Speaker 2: loss They get sucked into manipulative circles like this that
[57:09] Speaker 2: mask themselves as community and village. But also for those
[57:14] Speaker 2: of a lot of these, a lot of these niggas
[57:16] Speaker 2: also came from families. If you see some shit as
[57:21] Speaker 2: a skew about your kid, do not motherfucking ignore it.
[57:25] Speaker 2: You need to be on top of it so that
[57:27] Speaker 2: they don't end up getting on the fun wall later
[57:30] Speaker 2: and following a nigga and shitting in somebody's backyard.
[57:34] Speaker 5: Nothing good comes from a thirty dollars bus ticket.
[57:38] Speaker 2: Okay or five at a point in time, Rest in peace,
[57:42] Speaker 2: fuck wah.
[57:47] Speaker 6: Every check your kid's browser history, check that YouTube history.
[57:55] Speaker 6: Just be aware of what they're watching online. You can't
[57:58] Speaker 6: stop from watching it, but at be aware of what
[58:01] Speaker 6: they're watching so that you can, you know, be prepared.
[58:04] Speaker 1: So you can guide Listen.
[58:06] Speaker 2: If you find out stick is sixteen and they like
[58:10] Speaker 2: bondage and you can't you can't change.
[58:13] Speaker 1: I don't know where they got the ideals.
[58:15] Speaker 2: From, guide them in a healthy place where they can explore.
[58:21] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, We gotta find ways.
[58:23] Speaker 1: And I understand that.
[58:24] Speaker 2: This is a muscle. This is a muscle we have
[58:26] Speaker 2: to build. I am a black girl from a black family,
[58:30] Speaker 2: and I had to build a muscle of freedom, you
[58:32] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying in a certain way where I'm like, yeah,
[58:34] Speaker 2: that's what you're into, Okay, let's figure out how to
[58:37] Speaker 2: hone that healthily. So like, sometimes you can't control what
[58:40] Speaker 2: these niggas are into, but you can find spaces where
[58:44] Speaker 2: they can express in healthy ways.
[58:46] Speaker 6: Yeah, y'all Starns are watching red Pill content and following
[58:50] Speaker 6: Andrew Tate. That should be a concerned Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
[58:57] Speaker 4: What I say.
[58:57] Speaker 3: Where's the article that a certain state active folks are
[59:01] Speaker 3: raising school shooters? You know, like you know, I'm not
[59:06] Speaker 3: saying who, but there is a certain sect of people who,
[59:11] Speaker 3: like you both said, who aren't paying attention, who aren't active,
[59:16] Speaker 3: who don't necessarily seem to like their children, right because
[59:19] Speaker 3: I feel like if you like your kids, you would
[59:22] Speaker 3: be involved and ask questions and see that they're being
[59:26] Speaker 3: wayward or not, you know what I mean.
[59:28] Speaker 4: Like love on your kids.
[59:30] Speaker 3: And I think about this in this doc a lot
[59:33] Speaker 3: like there was no love there, Like everybody was searching
[59:35] Speaker 3: for love and they and they just did not.
[59:39] Speaker 4: They was not present. And the person who was.
[59:42] Speaker 3: Looking for love the most was Alligio and definitely was like,
[59:47] Speaker 3: since I can't get it, I'm going.
[59:48] Speaker 1: To look as much harm as possible.
[59:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I believe that was the end of episode two.
[59:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[59:58] Speaker 3: Essentially we talk about, you know, Velvet gets with Alisio
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: against your will and uh he they have a child together,
[1:00:12] Speaker 3: a little girl, and ship gets even crazier from there.
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: But let's take a quick break and we'll be back
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: with more day next to You with three hit it
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: and we're back. We're talking the Nature boy dot not
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: Rick Flair, No, not Ric Flair. We're talking about Alisio
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: the Christ.
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: Can we call him something else?
[1:00:41] Speaker 4: Bishop?
[1:00:42] Speaker 5: What's the opposite of Christ? Satan Lucifer?
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of them.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: Okay, the Epstein list.
[1:00:59] Speaker 5: He got his own. We had our own Epstein this
[1:01:02] Speaker 5: whole time.
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: Exactly, the R s F.
[1:01:06] Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Hotel Kelly, R Kelly, oh
[1:01:11] Speaker 6: Nature Kelly and Kelly, not Nature.
[1:01:15] Speaker 4: Whisper, all of them. He's the one.
[1:01:17] Speaker 5: Getting whispered on apparently.
[1:01:20] Speaker 6: Oh, I need to tell you about how I met
[1:01:26] Speaker 6: nature Boy in Atlanta fifteen years ago.
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: Like yeah, okay, so how I can so the nature
[1:01:38] Speaker 3: was doing poem.
[1:01:38] Speaker 4: Yeah okay, he was doing the gay porn.
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: And I have definitely seen I was I was talking,
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: I was seen these videos in my day, and I
[1:01:49] Speaker 3: was like, I knew he looked familiar.
[1:01:50] Speaker 5: As have I.
[1:01:52] Speaker 4: I'm surprised.
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: I'm surprised they haven't resurfaced on on the major.
[1:01:57] Speaker 5: Gay They'll be on Twitter enough, don't worry.
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: How is that? I just don't understand Twitter really just went.
[1:02:08] Speaker 6: I know how Twitter became the way it is too,
[1:02:10] Speaker 6: Like I watched it happen in real time. It all
[1:02:13] Speaker 6: started when Tumblr had been the adult spicy creators and
[1:02:17] Speaker 6: they just all migrated on over to Twitter. And you
[1:02:20] Speaker 6: know before that, Twitter had Twitter after Dark where you
[1:02:23] Speaker 6: would only see this stuff at nighttime, and like they
[1:02:26] Speaker 6: kind of deleted in the day. The tumbler folks just
[1:02:29] Speaker 6: said fuck the rules and they posted they stuff whenever
[1:02:31] Speaker 6: they felt like it.
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, and it started just but it was just a costume,
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: At Like, you know, and it's like, oh, dick. I
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: didn't sign up for this right now, Like I'm not.
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: In the privacy with my old home. So Twitter, Yeah,
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: it became a little long.
[1:02:48] Speaker 6: I showed my mother a video I was laughing at
[1:02:50] Speaker 6: on Twitter. You know, Twitter just plays the next video automatically. Well,
[1:02:55] Speaker 6: the next video. It was one of them types of videos.
[1:02:57] Speaker 6: Now I'm now I'm embarrassed. God, explain to my mother.
[1:03:00] Speaker 6: It's not my fault. I would never show you something
[1:03:05] Speaker 6: like this on purpose.
[1:03:09] Speaker 4: That happens. Chris Rogers will show something to me and.
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: He'd be like a haha, It'd be like whatever Kiki
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: video about cat or something, and then.
[1:03:18] Speaker 5: That's what happened. Thank god, it was straightforn.
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: Well that's terrible.
[1:03:26] Speaker 4: That's see.
[1:03:27] Speaker 1: This is where as a society we need to do better.
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: It should be any kind of porn that that offends
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: you or doesn't offend you.
[1:03:38] Speaker 3: But in the next episode, we we delve deeper into
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: his descent into the void and also a lot heavier.
[1:03:50] Speaker 4: Sexual assault.
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: We meet another young lady. I cannot remember her name,
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: but she is the woman who broke this case. I
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: also want to talk about Chantelle.
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: Investigator.
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: Yes, now, when I first was watching this, I was like,
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel.
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: About and then I had a little bit the.
[1:04:23] Speaker 3: Humble pie I hate crow down because essentially there's this
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: woman named Chantelle or I don't know their pronouns.
[1:04:31] Speaker 4: But Chantell.
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: Like there, oh yeah, because that was the nosy friend,
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: because that was the friend of the girl who was
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: telling her story. Chantelle is the one who had a
[1:04:47] Speaker 3: YouTube channel. So Chantelle was just like us, started on
[1:04:52] Speaker 3: YouTube and then started watching his videos, not in the
[1:04:55] Speaker 3: sense of like she was interested.
[1:04:57] Speaker 4: But more of like this nigga crazy, I watched that.
[1:05:00] Speaker 4: I know, yeah, yeah, watch your back.
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: So she started saving all the content and started like
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: doing her doing their own commentary on their YouTube channel.
[1:05:14] Speaker 4: What's the team?
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: This also lets me know how like YouTube and blogging
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: or blogging is still like a I remember in New
[1:05:24] Speaker 3: York when it became a thing like in the early
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: like late two thousands or early twenty tens, and then
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: Atlanta kind of took it.
[1:05:32] Speaker 4: Over, and that's where it stayed. Because all of this
[1:05:37] Speaker 4: is all of like the bloggers.
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: I went to look they were commenting on this with
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: like bloggers and bloggers from Atlanta.
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: I wonder if that was because they were set up
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: shopping Atlanta.
[1:05:48] Speaker 6: The fore of the business results with nature boy he
[1:05:54] Speaker 6: the two main incident investigators, ironically enough for not mentioned
[1:05:59] Speaker 6: in these. The main ones were Young Pharaoh and that's
[1:06:04] Speaker 6: a girl named ashe de Vine.
[1:06:06] Speaker 5: She's a hoteltriss in her own right. But they were.
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: And good right because hopefully again a lot of these.
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: Let me be very careful how I say this, these
[1:06:24] Speaker 2: original ideals, like I said earlier, some of them are understandable, right,
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: hence my adjacent yes, right, Uh, some of them are
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: understandable to an extent. You still have to exist within
[1:06:40] Speaker 2: society as well.
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: You still you still have to function, You still gotta
[1:06:47] Speaker 2: you pay bills. Like there's just some shit you're not
[1:06:49] Speaker 2: going to be able to avoid. Because this is the
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: timeline that we live in. And I'm grateful that if somebody.
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: Is leaning a little they're leaning a little far with
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: some of these ideologies.
[1:07:02] Speaker 2: At least let it be somebody who is not inflicting
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: harm on other folks. So is the Vine can she
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: may say some things that I'll be like, yes, And
[1:07:11] Speaker 2: then she may say some things I'd be like, Mama,
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: now you're way out there, but I appreciate the fact
[1:07:17] Speaker 2: that you can at least call harm exactly I'll say that, Yes,
[1:07:22] Speaker 2: that's why I have like a tane of understanding for hoteps,
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: because I get how you got there.
[1:07:27] Speaker 5: Listen, I love history.
[1:07:28] Speaker 6: I went through an Ancient Egypt phase myself, but at
[1:07:32] Speaker 6: no point in my phase that I ever convinced myself
[1:07:35] Speaker 6: that I could talk to mummies and that I could
[1:07:37] Speaker 6: use the pyramids to teleport to another dimension.
[1:07:40] Speaker 5: And that's the type of shit, y'alla on. That's what
[1:07:42] Speaker 5: y'all grand and know you cannot. Also your ancestors.
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: Can amusement park in the outskirts of a and all
[1:08:00] Speaker 2: so inflict harm on people. You see another na or
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: was he from Brooklyn?
[1:08:06] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: Was he Brooklyn?
[1:08:08] Speaker 5: It was New York.
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: I think he's lam.
[1:08:10] Speaker 5: Originally, I don't have to, you know, Shareburrow.
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: With We already share the building the building.
[1:08:19] Speaker 6: But no, that was like the pipeline for whole temperary
[1:08:22] Speaker 6: and bullshit. They all came through that school of thought.
[1:08:25] Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And it started with the tables.
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: It started with the tables. It started with.
[1:08:32] Speaker 4: It because.
[1:08:35] Speaker 5: Office, yes.
[1:08:39] Speaker 9: Up there, the Nebbians was up there, the Nebbyans, and
[1:08:45] Speaker 9: then you got you know, then you would just occasionally
[1:08:48] Speaker 9: just have yourself a good regular black American Muslim, you.
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: Know what I mean. And and then and then there
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: was me and we.
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: Were all at the shabbaz market buying tops and bottoms together.
[1:09:03] Speaker 3: Everybody's at the all right back to this, Yeah, so
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: this is where it gets a little little rock.
[1:09:16] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: We we meet another young woman. Like I said, I
[1:09:23] Speaker 3: don't remember her name, and I should remember her name
[1:09:27] Speaker 3: because she's the most important the story. But she also
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: was looking for something.
[1:09:35] Speaker 4: She she was kind of.
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: She was living in Atlanta at the time. So remember
[1:09:42] Speaker 3: the carbonation. They had to move around a lot, Yes,
[1:09:47] Speaker 3: like from Mexico to Costa Rica, and they would drive
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: through these countries and places or whatever, and they ended
[1:09:54] Speaker 3: up in Atlanta, and so this young lady found it.
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: I also get giggle when that happens. I was like,
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: of course, up.
[1:10:04] Speaker 6: And down the Americas and essentially got away with everything.
[1:10:08] Speaker 6: But it wasn't until y'all got to Atlanta, Georgia County.
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: They said you.
[1:10:23] Speaker 4: Got into America.
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: They were like, excuse me, Decata is greater. We don't
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: tolerate this ship. Okay, this bedload. But get this bedloam
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: out of.
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: Because we because we also begin to meet law enforcement.
[1:10:43] Speaker 4: So now there's this young lady.
[1:10:46] Speaker 3: There are people who would call like the police on
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: nature boring them because they were streaming every day. So
[1:10:54] Speaker 3: this young one, young lady, she would call the police.
[1:10:57] Speaker 3: She was like, this is not okay. She was seeing
[1:11:00] Speaker 3: slap them. Because his rage and his control escalated, he
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: was hitting the men folk.
[1:11:08] Speaker 4: I believe the.
[1:11:09] Speaker 3: Sexual abuse increased between with the men and women and heights.
[1:11:18] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:11:18] Speaker 3: He would host fights with women for his for his
[1:11:22] Speaker 3: love and devotion like and stream them mm hmm. He
[1:11:28] Speaker 3: would ask the men like to swallow his seed as
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: a as a mode of commitment.
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: Yeah. Really harmful, really harmful.
[1:11:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, does not go into this.
[1:11:46] Speaker 6: But there were STDs involved, and they were you know,
[1:11:51] Speaker 6: all that that seed swallowing.
[1:11:53] Speaker 5: That didn't help.
[1:11:58] Speaker 4: I can't imagine that there was Like I said, there was.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: Not at all. They weren't going to the clinics to
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: go get it again.
[1:12:06] Speaker 6: I'll see the the YouTube dot goes more in depth
[1:12:08] Speaker 6: with this. A lot of the nature Boy followers were
[1:12:11] Speaker 6: originally Doctor Sebby followers, and they like nature Boy because
[1:12:16] Speaker 6: he's preaching the same stuff, and you know, they're very candid.
[1:12:19] Speaker 6: Some people had her fees, some people had HIV, a
[1:12:22] Speaker 6: lot of you know, just incurables, and rather than just
[1:12:25] Speaker 6: take their medicine that the doctors gave them, they convinced
[1:12:27] Speaker 6: themselves that the cure was in Costa Rica with Nature Boy.
[1:12:30] Speaker 6: So people went out there and stopped taking their.
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: Meds, drinking their own pea and things like that.
[1:12:36] Speaker 6: There was this one woman who was I'm shocked they
[1:12:37] Speaker 6: didn't mention her Mama dia. She had a heart condition
[1:12:41] Speaker 6: and she took her medicine for that. She didn't want
[1:12:43] Speaker 6: to say her medicine anymore. She was in her fifties.
[1:12:46] Speaker 6: She went out there with Nature Boy and she died
[1:12:49] Speaker 6: out there. They just found her in her tent dead.
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: Was any was he was that part of his charge.
[1:12:58] Speaker 5: No, And this happened outside of the country also, so
[1:13:01] Speaker 5: that can really.
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: Happen, So they couldn't.
[1:13:03] Speaker 6: Yeah, he was a challenge for the family to get
[1:13:06] Speaker 6: the body back. He wouldn't return any of like her possessions.
[1:13:09] Speaker 6: They sent the body back butt naked, like no clothes,
[1:13:12] Speaker 6: no nothing. They had to beg him for like her
[1:13:14] Speaker 6: id and stuff and he said no and just never.
[1:13:16] Speaker 5: Give it back.
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:13:23] Speaker 6: There's also rumors that there was a child born when
[1:13:27] Speaker 6: they were either in Puerto Rico or Hawaii and that
[1:13:30] Speaker 6: child died.
[1:13:31] Speaker 2: So so okay, I'm glad you said because remember we
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: were talking about children earlier, and I was like, I
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: didn't think children were welcome into this space, but I
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: don't know because that other baby was there and then
[1:13:43] Speaker 2: Velvet ran away with the baby, so I didn't know
[1:13:45] Speaker 2: what the situation with children was.
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: But I did wonder.
[1:13:48] Speaker 2: I was like, with all this fucking are they having
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: babies and killing them?
[1:13:53] Speaker 5: They didn't kill that baby. The baby didn't make it.
[1:13:56] Speaker 6: I mean, there's no prenatal care or anything out there,
[1:13:58] Speaker 6: so they're just out in the exact.
[1:14:00] Speaker 2: So yeah, like it was a it was a blessing
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: that Velvet that her pregnancies that she was all right,
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: because she was like, thank god, the baby was healthy.
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: But she did all of that under under these circumstances
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: as well.
[1:14:13] Speaker 6: This was a very morbid situation and Hulu did not
[1:14:16] Speaker 6: touch on any of that.
[1:14:19] Speaker 4: Mmm mm yeah, m.
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: Well it became grossly abusive.
[1:14:29] Speaker 4: Point.
[1:14:29] Speaker 3: Yes, like we said, Velvet, he was abusing Velvet like
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: beating her with the child in their arms. She got
[1:14:39] Speaker 3: up the courage to leave in the middle of the night,
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: and she got everybody drunk and so that nobody can
[1:14:46] Speaker 3: really come after her whatever. They passed out as she
[1:14:48] Speaker 3: took her baby and ran, and she never.
[1:14:50] Speaker 6: I think that baby was the final straw. Though, once
[1:14:52] Speaker 6: it's a child involved, you can beat my ass. But
[1:14:55] Speaker 6: once the kid is in danger, I guess something that
[1:14:57] Speaker 6: snapped in her. She had to get out of the air.
[1:14:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, and this had to be on her second child
[1:15:02] Speaker 3: as well, because I remember she was she has two children.
[1:15:05] Speaker 6: I also want to point out, oh, go ahead, yeah,
[1:15:08] Speaker 6: if I'm not mistaken, Velvet left multiple times. I think
[1:15:13] Speaker 6: that time was the one that made a difference because
[1:15:14] Speaker 6: she had the child.
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: Now was the final time? Okay, okay.
[1:15:20] Speaker 2: I also wanted to point out, while we're getting into
[1:15:23] Speaker 2: the height of this extreme abuse and like he's not
[1:15:27] Speaker 2: even trying to mask anything with nature or vibes or
[1:15:31] Speaker 2: any of that.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: This is just extreme control. He had so.
[1:15:36] Speaker 2: Much control over a lot of these people's minds that
[1:15:40] Speaker 2: when they would put Velvet and she would in the
[1:15:43] Speaker 2: middle and she would be getting beat or whatever the
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: case is, they would be thinking to themselves, well, she
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: shouldn't have been, you know, so belligerent, or she shouldn't
[1:15:51] Speaker 2: have been you know whatever, like they put them. They
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: victim blamed her and it was never about his behavior.
[1:15:58] Speaker 2: And that's how manipulative he was able to be and
[1:16:02] Speaker 2: also how vulnerable they were. Because again, as a person
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: watching this from a different stance, I'm like, how can
[1:16:10] Speaker 2: you fall victim to this?
[1:16:12] Speaker 1: But somebody has.
[1:16:13] Speaker 2: To be extremely vulnerable and not well emotionally.
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: In order to cause this. Nigga was nuts. This nigga
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: was absolutely out at buns. He was buns.
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: So so yeah, we had to see it.
[1:16:28] Speaker 6: So it's like, how do you You're like in the
[1:16:29] Speaker 6: same space as him and you just think this is normal.
[1:16:35] Speaker 2: Well, this is a constant self reminder for me right
[1:16:37] Speaker 2: anytime I'm watching anything cultish, I because I automatically, my
[1:16:42] Speaker 2: brain is automatically how the fuck could you? And I
[1:16:44] Speaker 2: always have to remember that people are vulnerable for many
[1:16:49] Speaker 2: different reasons. You know, some of what we talked about earlier,
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: whether it was you know, no authority figure in their
[1:16:55] Speaker 2: life to help to align them through or or you know,
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: exposure to trauma or mental illness or emotional. You know,
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: there's so many factors as to why people can fall
[1:17:06] Speaker 2: victim to this, and I have like, this is not
[1:17:09] Speaker 2: me preaching, This is me literally saying I have to
[1:17:11] Speaker 2: put a reminder in front of myself when I'm watching
[1:17:14] Speaker 2: these things because it just seems so far fetched, you
[1:17:17] Speaker 2: know what I mean, especially as he got more and
[1:17:20] Speaker 2: more ridiculous and more and more harmful, more and more abusive.
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: Right now, I forgot to mention that. So in these videos,
[1:17:30] Speaker 3: they have like terminology, so they refer to them to
[1:17:33] Speaker 3: themselves as myself, but it's spelled M.
[1:17:37] Speaker 4: Y C E l F. Yeah, because you know sell anyho.
[1:17:47] Speaker 4: That's how insight into what type of ship there.
[1:17:51] Speaker 6: That's how I know I'm too smart. It's a cult
[1:17:54] Speaker 6: that doesn't make sense. Sell like the English word cell.
[1:17:58] Speaker 6: But if we're going back to nature and who we
[1:18:00] Speaker 6: originally were, we weren't speaking English, so why it is
[1:18:03] Speaker 6: my spelling of an English word matter and we're using
[1:18:07] Speaker 6: the Roman alphabet nothing about Come on.
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: You're you're a lazy cult leader. On top of that,
[1:18:13] Speaker 2: you didn't even create.
[1:18:14] Speaker 4: No high.
[1:18:16] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like you've got if you're
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: gonna go go full ass. You know what I mean, Like,
[1:18:22] Speaker 2: go full ass, create an alphabet, create a language. What
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: didn't that bitch, mother God create a lank which you
[1:18:27] Speaker 2: wanted them?
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: Created a language?
[1:18:30] Speaker 4: Full ass?
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
[1:18:32] Speaker 5: Even George R. R.
[1:18:33] Speaker 6: Martin makes up languages when he's doing Game of Throne Ship.
[1:18:36] Speaker 5: Why can't you you?
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: Right? Okay, I'm speaking.
[1:18:40] Speaker 4: The whole world in an avatar exactly, you know what
[1:18:43] Speaker 4: I mean? So, like you were just real lazy.
[1:18:46] Speaker 6: If you want me to join your cult, it has
[1:18:48] Speaker 6: to be a little more sophisticated than this.
[1:18:50] Speaker 5: You can't look dirty.
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: I want bells and whistles. Okay, this is what I'm saying.
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: If you want real people.
[1:18:59] Speaker 6: You need a prospet very gospel or something something to
[1:19:02] Speaker 6: be hopeful for. Not sleeping intent and shitting outside that's
[1:19:06] Speaker 6: not how you get.
[1:19:07] Speaker 2: Me, okay, and moving to Hawaii and drinking coloidal silver
[1:19:11] Speaker 2: and things like.
[1:19:12] Speaker 4: That, like no bad PR, bad PR.
[1:19:16] Speaker 3: So there's one time they all went to Las Vegas.
[1:19:23] Speaker 4: It's just what.
[1:19:25] Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, they all went to Las Vegas and he
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: ordered them all to get married.
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh huh yeah.
[1:19:35] Speaker 3: And to this day some of them are still married,
[1:19:40] Speaker 3: which and the reason why he did that is so
[1:19:44] Speaker 3: whenever he felt that he's going to get caught up
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: by the police, that they couldn't testify against him because
[1:19:51] Speaker 3: of the espousal privileges or whatever the fuck, So.
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: Put a pin there for a second with that.
[1:19:59] Speaker 2: That was the one time exactly, But that was the
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: one time where I said, how.
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: How aware, like how elucid are you young men?
[1:20:09] Speaker 2: Because that's a very very specific move, you know what
[1:20:15] Speaker 2: I'm saying.
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: That's a very so like you playing crazy or you
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: like you.
[1:20:19] Speaker 2: Have crazy and you but there's there's definitely some lucidity
[1:20:22] Speaker 2: in there because making them do that.
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, there you go, there you go.
[1:20:31] Speaker 4: Ye, you're right.
[1:20:34] Speaker 6: He still has situational that's what it is. Awareness, but
[1:20:41] Speaker 6: he knows one he still saw he was above reproach.
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, like and the way and so, which
[1:20:49] Speaker 3: means like his language was talking to them, he talked,
[1:20:51] Speaker 3: he already talks to him crazy, but they were like escalating.
[1:20:55] Speaker 3: He would have them massage him, both men and women
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: rub his feet at it given.
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: Time.
[1:21:03] Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a lot going on.
[1:21:05] Speaker 3: And so there's this one woman who was there who
[1:21:07] Speaker 3: wanted to leave. She packed her things, she get an
[1:21:11] Speaker 3: uber and everything, and he says to her, he tries
[1:21:16] Speaker 3: to her not to go, and he's like has her
[1:21:21] Speaker 3: in a grasp and he says something really wild to her.
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: I'm not going to repeat it, but he says something
[1:21:30] Speaker 3: really wild to her, and she freezes and it leads
[1:21:36] Speaker 3: to a sexual assault. She was raped by him, and
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: so after the attack, she leaves. And I want to
[1:21:49] Speaker 3: say that every time a woman leaves him or leaves
[1:21:53] Speaker 3: the camp that they showed in the documentary, he gets
[1:21:56] Speaker 3: very emotional and very angry, which I wanted to talk about,
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: Like he has not only about like this ego stuff,
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: he has really bad abandonment issues. Yeah, because if anybody leaves,
[1:22:10] Speaker 3: he's like fuck them and they're not a part of
[1:22:14] Speaker 3: the movement, blah blah, like viscerally hurt by all this.
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: Like fast forward even to like the end where he
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: stops court and he's just like, I want to tell
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: you all, I forgive you all, I love you, like.
[1:22:28] Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
[1:22:29] Speaker 3: Like he's still he struggles with that a lot. But
[1:22:33] Speaker 3: this woman runs and leaves and she gets in front
[1:22:37] Speaker 3: of some people, her best friend, and they press.
[1:22:41] Speaker 5: Charges were pressed and the revenge porn.
[1:22:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the revenge porn, right, So.
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: Because he was already under he gets.
[1:22:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets yeah, he gets mad and again he
[1:22:57] Speaker 3: starts posting revenge porn on twit.
[1:23:00] Speaker 5: He had an active only fans account during that point.
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: Also, yes, uh huh oh, yes, uh huh.
[1:23:09] Speaker 2: That's when we got into the the same sex uh,
[1:23:14] Speaker 2: orgies and things that were also happening that the documentary
[1:23:17] Speaker 2: didn't touch on, so.
[1:23:21] Speaker 6: Twitter and everything. You could see what was going on
[1:23:23] Speaker 6: up in that house during the pandemic.
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, and he was him he had he.
[1:23:29] Speaker 2: Would be having orgies with some of the young men
[1:23:32] Speaker 2: who were also present in the documentary, but it would
[1:23:34] Speaker 2: be like four of them, and they'd be you know,
[1:23:37] Speaker 2: all catering to him and sexual and he would tell
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: them that this is, you know, what they're supposed to
[1:23:43] Speaker 2: be doing.
[1:23:43] Speaker 6: That's what blows me like, none of this was happening
[1:23:46] Speaker 6: in secret. It was all being broadcasted to any and everybody.
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
[1:23:54] Speaker 4: My god. H Well, the young lady went to the police.
[1:24:00] Speaker 3: She saw the police outside and she said, hey, I'm
[1:24:04] Speaker 3: such and such. This man is a posting revenge porn.
[1:24:08] Speaker 3: And he put me in a sex colt and X, Y,
[1:24:11] Speaker 3: and Z. And then of course the true documented fashion,
[1:24:15] Speaker 3: we get a we get you know, a police officer
[1:24:21] Speaker 3: and she's giving us a rundown of the investigation. And
[1:24:25] Speaker 3: it's proven that Chantelle runs one about the tea was
[1:24:30] Speaker 3: integral and their evidence and documenting all of what was
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: going on, and that's where I was.
[1:24:35] Speaker 2: My wig was humbled to because I did Internet investigator
[1:24:40] Speaker 2: that came up as a title, and I was like,
[1:24:42] Speaker 2: we couldn't make this a little more savvy of some way.
[1:24:45] Speaker 3: But that's what she was because not like she's a
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: journalist thing, but she's.
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: She investigated and she was very useful.
[1:24:55] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and which made me was like, I was
[1:24:58] Speaker 4: the more people.
[1:24:59] Speaker 3: I hope there's more people out there, not looking to
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: like make it a salacious thing, but like, hey, listen, y'all,
[1:25:05] Speaker 3: there's some shit going on that's going on. I don't
[1:25:09] Speaker 3: know what to do about it, but if y'all know
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: what to do about it, let's get this together.
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: You know what.
[1:25:14] Speaker 6: I also, as somebody who watched this play out in
[1:25:18] Speaker 6: real time, there's some stuff going on on the internet
[1:25:21] Speaker 6: right now that I just haven't seen yet because the
[1:25:24] Speaker 6: internet is so Yeah, absolutely, there is some bullshit happening
[1:25:27] Speaker 6: as we speak, and it's probably one of live streams
[1:25:30] Speaker 6: some weird in a Facebook group, and we have no clue.
[1:25:34] Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And also because we get such very specific
[1:25:39] Speaker 2: ideas when we hear different phrases and.
[1:25:42] Speaker 1: Terms and things like that.
[1:25:43] Speaker 2: Right, Like, I think there was a point in time
[1:25:45] Speaker 2: where sex trafficking to me read as taken, you know
[1:25:49] Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you get kidnapped, put in a van,
[1:25:53] Speaker 2: taken to a place and used in this nefarious ring,
[1:25:57] Speaker 2: you know.
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: And sex trafficking is not always like that.
[1:26:01] Speaker 2: Sometimes it is, as we saw from Epstein's stuff, a
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: teenage girl recruiting another teenage girl, and they may go
[1:26:08] Speaker 2: home at the end of the night, but it is
[1:26:10] Speaker 2: a grown man who has got them in this pay
[1:26:12] Speaker 2: cycle so that they can in this predatory cycle as
[1:26:16] Speaker 2: well to continue to perpetuate these things. So I say
[1:26:20] Speaker 2: all that to say, there's so much happening in this world,
[1:26:22] Speaker 2: and oftentimes we have very narrow ideals of what they are,
[1:26:27] Speaker 2: and they're so much broader and bigger, and people are
[1:26:30] Speaker 2: also bold as fuck, So we know there's some shit.
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: We know there's a lot of shit being broadcast.
[1:26:36] Speaker 2: Somewhere that we haven't seen because people want people to
[1:26:39] Speaker 2: see that shit, which.
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: Was his issue.
[1:26:42] Speaker 2: Narcissism is a very real thing, which is why we
[1:26:44] Speaker 2: have to stop using that all loosely too.
[1:26:47] Speaker 6: And one more thing, had he not posted that revenge porn,
[1:26:50] Speaker 6: he'd probably still be free.
[1:26:52] Speaker 5: That was the thing that got.
[1:26:53] Speaker 2: Me so right, because a bunch of his crimes were
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: out of the country, So even though they were investigating him,
[1:27:01] Speaker 2: they were like, damn, you didn't do a whole lot
[1:27:02] Speaker 2: in the swat, you know what I'm saying, So like
[1:27:06] Speaker 2: we need to we got to figure out how to
[1:27:07] Speaker 2: get you.
[1:27:09] Speaker 4: So we get to trial.
[1:27:13] Speaker 3: He's arrested on a rape charge, also a false imprisonment
[1:27:19] Speaker 3: and the revenge porn numerous counts a false imprisonment, and
[1:27:27] Speaker 3: so we go to trial.
[1:27:29] Speaker 4: He is not staple at trial. He has a he
[1:27:37] Speaker 4: has a.
[1:27:38] Speaker 3: Black defense attorney who and of course he leaves a
[1:27:41] Speaker 3: bad taste in your mouth because he is a defense attorney, right,
[1:27:44] Speaker 3: and his job is to defend the ugliest people.
[1:27:50] Speaker 4: But in the.
[1:27:50] Speaker 3: Middle, like the trial turned into like young thugs trial
[1:27:53] Speaker 3: very quickly, so he's like he's eligio is just like
[1:27:59] Speaker 3: in the middle of the trial, like I want to
[1:28:01] Speaker 3: fire my counsel, and the judges like you can't.
[1:28:06] Speaker 4: We're in the.
[1:28:07] Speaker 3: Middle of court like not like we're we are, like
[1:28:10] Speaker 3: we're not doing that, Like either you do it yourself or.
[1:28:16] Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna be.
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: Honest with you. I thought he was gonna say, yes,
[1:28:18] Speaker 1: he'll do it himself.
[1:28:20] Speaker 4: I thought that too. I thought that too.
[1:28:24] Speaker 3: Then the victims aren't filmed during their testimony. It sounds
[1:28:30] Speaker 3: like they gave their testimony via zoom. And so the woman,
[1:28:35] Speaker 3: one of the women he sexually assaulted, one of the
[1:28:37] Speaker 3: various women he sexually assaulted, told her story, and the
[1:28:42] Speaker 3: defense attorney asks questions that debunk a lot or assumingly
[1:28:52] Speaker 3: so debunk a lot. However, Ligio's response to all of
[1:28:59] Speaker 3: this is very much like this is when he starts
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: to talk about like, you know, I forgive you, and
[1:29:06] Speaker 3: he shows no signs of remorse and even further breaking
[1:29:10] Speaker 3: down in his psyche you can see it, and the
[1:29:12] Speaker 3: defense attorney is like, Okay.
[1:29:18] Speaker 6: At one point they had to put him in his courtroom.
[1:29:23] Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, because he was not.
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: He would he would just badger everybody, and so the
[1:29:32] Speaker 3: defense attorney had to be.
[1:29:34] Speaker 4: Like, look and hated him.
[1:29:35] Speaker 3: This is my job. Yeah, she was like, he was like,
[1:29:37] Speaker 3: this is my job. I don't this nigga.
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: Crazy, And it's just why I was irritated when he said.
[1:29:47] Speaker 2: I do think that he had now listen, you know
[1:29:49] Speaker 2: how complicated you know how I feel about the system.
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: And also he needs you all needed to recommend some
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: some some mental help. Prison is not the place for
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: this man. This man needs to go into it.
[1:30:05] Speaker 2: Well yes, yes, but also he needs a facility, yes,
[1:30:12] Speaker 2: because he's gonna go in there and he's also gonna
[1:30:14] Speaker 2: start spitting the ship and he's either gonna create another
[1:30:17] Speaker 2: harm harmful environment within a harmful environment, but there's no
[1:30:22] Speaker 2: rehabilitation in that.
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: This nigga needs to go get some mental help.
[1:30:28] Speaker 6: I may have to fact check this, but last I heard,
[1:30:31] Speaker 6: either like last year or two years ago, he got
[1:30:35] Speaker 6: stabbed up in prison.
[1:30:36] Speaker 5: He survived. He's still alive.
[1:30:38] Speaker 2: But I'm not surprised, but that which probably it probably
[1:30:42] Speaker 2: increases God complex too if he survived the stapic. Look
[1:30:47] Speaker 2: at what's happening in the White House.
[1:30:49] Speaker 6: I'm stocking didn't recruit anything. You know, they could have
[1:30:53] Speaker 6: took that knife for him somebody to.
[1:30:57] Speaker 4: I have a feeling he would.
[1:31:00] Speaker 3: I have a feeling he would do that, he would
[1:31:02] Speaker 3: start his own thing, because that's the most that's the
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: This is.
[1:31:05] Speaker 1: Why I said, this is why I said, prison is
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: not the place.
[1:31:09] Speaker 2: Yes, you need to atone because you you you were harmful.
[1:31:13] Speaker 2: Like let's be very clear, you need accountability. You are
[1:31:16] Speaker 2: harmful to people. You deserve to pay for that. But
[1:31:19] Speaker 2: also I don't know if prison is the is the
[1:31:22] Speaker 2: space you know what I'm saying to breed anything healthy from.
[1:31:26] Speaker 3: Any of this, Well, I just know his baby moms
[1:31:31] Speaker 3: are elated that he's in prison.
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: And so they are.
[1:31:34] Speaker 2: I want him to be locked up just away from
[1:31:38] Speaker 2: other niggas.
[1:31:40] Speaker 4: That's fair.
[1:31:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:31:42] Speaker 6: Also, as far as like rehabilitation, he's well into his forties.
[1:31:46] Speaker 5: It might be too late for him.
[1:31:49] Speaker 3: I definitely think he is forty four. Well is it
[1:31:58] Speaker 3: just turned forty four?
[1:32:00] Speaker 4: It might not be. I don't know.
[1:32:02] Speaker 5: I'm just being a pessimist.
[1:32:04] Speaker 2: You know, you're like glass apf empty. I don't personally
[1:32:11] Speaker 2: think anything is gonna happen. I don't think this man
[1:32:14] Speaker 2: is ever going to get the real help that he needs.
[1:32:16] Speaker 2: And I don't even know what that real help is.
[1:32:18] Speaker 2: I don't know if they need to go back to
[1:32:20] Speaker 2: like using electricity helmets or whatever. Nigga, I don't I
[1:32:23] Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if they need to hook
[1:32:25] Speaker 2: this nigga up to some coils in a chair. But
[1:32:28] Speaker 2: he needs some kind of help, and I don't know
[1:32:30] Speaker 2: what that help is, and.
[1:32:31] Speaker 6: That help would take years and years and years to
[1:32:34] Speaker 6: even attempt to be completed. Millions of also, like the
[1:32:40] Speaker 6: victims don't just go away because you changed and you
[1:32:43] Speaker 6: got a whole lot of victims.
[1:32:45] Speaker 5: You got kids. This is why he has no coming
[1:32:48] Speaker 5: back from that, and.
[1:32:51] Speaker 2: That's why he deserves to be locked up somewhere away
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: from other niggas, because you have hurt so many people
[1:32:57] Speaker 2: as well.
[1:32:58] Speaker 4: Yeah hm, well damn.
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much more, but we can't come.
[1:33:08] Speaker 5: I do have an idea for like a documentary.
[1:33:11] Speaker 6: I want to know about people after they leave the cults,
[1:33:14] Speaker 6: Like what's that like? Like being reacclimated back into life
[1:33:18] Speaker 6: but your friends and family accept you swop me through
[1:33:21] Speaker 6: that journey.
[1:33:22] Speaker 5: That's a story I haven't.
[1:33:23] Speaker 2: Heard because because of the they just touched at the end, right,
[1:33:26] Speaker 2: they were like some people's family doesn't, some people's family does.
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: When girl was like Damn if.
[1:33:31] Speaker 2: I would have said this ship now, like you see
[1:33:33] Speaker 2: how crazy is that sounds. I would like to get
[1:33:36] Speaker 2: more of their story of the.
[1:33:38] Speaker 3: Only doc that we have ever watched that does that
[1:33:43] Speaker 3: is going Clear because of what happens after right when
[1:33:49] Speaker 3: you leave Big Ology.
[1:33:52] Speaker 4: I want them coming like.
[1:33:53] Speaker 3: That, but you know what I mean, because of the
[1:33:55] Speaker 3: fact of how how how that church is so volatile
[1:34:00] Speaker 3: and in leaving with you leaving that's the only time
[1:34:04] Speaker 3: we've ever seen. But like that is a good point,
[1:34:07] Speaker 3: Like how do you recover? How do you go back
[1:34:10] Speaker 3: into regular life?
[1:34:13] Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, after that, that's something they don't explore.
[1:34:17] Speaker 6: Even like recovering financially because I'm sure your credit is ruined, Yeah.
[1:34:22] Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, or you have none credit? Yeah, you have none?
[1:34:31] Speaker 4: Like that's crazy to me, Like I can't.
[1:34:36] Speaker 3: But that leads into a further discussion about religion and
[1:34:38] Speaker 3: how what people do with that money.
[1:34:40] Speaker 4: But still.
[1:34:42] Speaker 6: The religions are the more sophisticated cults I was talking about,
[1:34:46] Speaker 6: I got a promise of heaven at the end. You know,
[1:34:49] Speaker 6: the rich churchgoers, they look like they enjoy in their lives.
[1:34:52] Speaker 6: We don't ask for the.
[1:34:53] Speaker 2: Money structure their structure, like the military you know what
[1:34:57] Speaker 2: I'm saying, You get to go home at the end
[1:34:59] Speaker 2: of the day.
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying, there's a there's.
[1:35:04] Speaker 6: A Evangelists are not sleeping in the jungle, That's all
[1:35:07] Speaker 6: I'm saying, and never will what you mean because they
[1:35:11] Speaker 6: got too much self respect, That's what it really is.
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: They're like, I have a five bedroom, bring in three weeks.
[1:35:23] Speaker 4: So then.
[1:35:26] Speaker 2: We saw that bitch at the MAGA party stealing champagne
[1:35:29] Speaker 2: off the tables. Like it, don't they are the same.
[1:35:35] Speaker 3: But thank you Trick for stopping by and talking to
[1:35:38] Speaker 3: Earth about this, Nature.
[1:35:42] Speaker 5: About this So I'm happy I caught you when I did.
[1:35:46] Speaker 2: Was there anything that we missed or that came to
[1:35:49] Speaker 2: your mind or it comes to your mind now that maybe.
[1:35:53] Speaker 1: We didn't touch.
[1:35:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:35:54] Speaker 6: In the Hulu doc, there was one part where one
[1:35:56] Speaker 6: of the women mentioned they would mostly eat rice and bean,
[1:36:00] Speaker 6: but Nature Boy will be eating shrimp and lobster and
[1:36:03] Speaker 6: going to restaurants and stuff. That would have been my
[1:36:05] Speaker 6: reason to leave, because I'm not gonna watch you eat
[1:36:08] Speaker 6: good food.
[1:36:09] Speaker 5: And all I get is rice and beans. That's not
[1:36:11] Speaker 5: what I signed up for.
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: Because if you're God, then you need steak.
[1:36:16] Speaker 5: And shrimp, and I gotta eat ship vegetables.
[1:36:19] Speaker 6: But whatever see sea start catch of the day restaurant they.
[1:36:26] Speaker 5: Got on the on the strips or something. I want
[1:36:34] Speaker 5: to give me some of that.
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: Yaw stop stop I did. I forgot about that.
[1:36:40] Speaker 5: That was that was a good watching her turn into
[1:36:42] Speaker 5: a watermelon.
[1:36:43] Speaker 1: No, and then I.
[1:36:50] Speaker 3: Gotta I gotta eat it at least seeds.
[1:36:55] Speaker 6: You it's a human furder.
[1:37:01] Speaker 5: It's only as healthy as you are.
[1:37:03] Speaker 6: And if y'all like, coming in straight from America, that
[1:37:05] Speaker 6: couldn't have been no good soil that was growing those vegetables.
[1:37:08] Speaker 4: And that's what I was saying.
[1:37:09] Speaker 2: It don't work because we've been we don't even know
[1:37:14] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, rubber chicken breasts, Like we're
[1:37:16] Speaker 2: just doing the best we can with what we got.
[1:37:19] Speaker 2: But that's not what y'all want. That's not what you want.
[1:37:28] Speaker 2: And now I go back.
[1:37:30] Speaker 4: This is it.
[1:37:30] Speaker 2: And now I go back, No, not bowberry biscuits fertilizing me.
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: And then xd I Now I just thought about the
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: ship in hand.
[1:37:40] Speaker 3: The ship have you have? Have you learned about the
[1:37:43] Speaker 3: concept of the ship in the Tyreek? Okay, so like
[1:37:49] Speaker 3: when you meet somebody and especially now that you're you're
[1:37:51] Speaker 3: doing big things on serious radio and stuff. But like
[1:37:54] Speaker 3: you know, like when you like, when you meet somebody
[1:37:57] Speaker 3: you shake their hand and you automatically shake their hand,
[1:37:59] Speaker 3: you'd be like, oh, this is a ship in hand,
[1:38:02] Speaker 3: like this is what they used to white.
[1:38:03] Speaker 4: Like that's crazy. Don't everybody, it's.
[1:38:07] Speaker 5: My dominant hand.
[1:38:08] Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I know, but like you don't even think
[1:38:13] Speaker 3: about yours.
[1:38:14] Speaker 2: But somebody in my bathroom and under my nails and yeah.
[1:38:21] Speaker 4: But like when you meet somebody, especially when they look
[1:38:24] Speaker 4: like it's like.
[1:38:26] Speaker 5: Oh, this is just a fist bump from one.
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: That's what I do elbows.
[1:38:32] Speaker 3: I do elbows, but it's just something that when you
[1:38:39] Speaker 3: think about it, you see what I mean. That's why
[1:38:43] Speaker 3: the elbow hold on.
[1:38:45] Speaker 1: My child's at the door, all right, Oh should we
[1:38:48] Speaker 1: just close this up?
[1:38:49] Speaker 4: We just close this out. Thank you to Rick first.
[1:38:53] Speaker 5: I'm always happy to be here.
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: We love you
[1:38:57] Speaker 4: Until next time friends, bye e

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