# The Future of the Democratic Party Runs Through Michigan

An episode of [Big Take](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1578096201), 31 Jul 2026, 18 min.

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The path to the future of the Democratic Party — and to the White House in 2028 — may well run through Michigan. The state’s upcoming Democratic primary election is a highly anticipated showdown between a Democratic-Socialist-backed candidate and a centrist one, who are vying for both a crucial seat in the US Senate and a major say in the party’s priorities. On today’s Big Take podcast, host David Gura sits down with senior political correspondent Nancy Cook and Bloomberg Opinions’ Ronald Brownstein to unpack the stakes of the Democratic primaries in this midterm cycle and what they could reveal about the party’s future. Read more: • How the Michigan Primary Could Shape the Midterms • Democrats’ 2028 Map Reshapes the Fight Between Left and Center We have a special Bloomberg subscription offer for podcast listeners at Bloomberg.com/podcastoffer. Hosted by David Gura; Produced by Rachael Lewis-Krisky; Reported by Nancy Cook and Ronald Brownstein; Edited by Naomi Shavin. Fact-checking by Laura Newcombe and Victor Swezey; Engineering by Sean Carter. Deputy Executive Producer: Julia Weaver. Executive Producer: Nicole Beemsterboer. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.
[0:08] Speaker 2: While many folks have been enjoying beach trips and holiday getaways,
[0:12] Speaker 2: Ron Brownstein and Nancy Cook have spent their summers looking
[0:15] Speaker 2: ahead to the midterm elections.
[0:19] Speaker 3: There have been more consequential primaries this year, Nancy, I
[0:23] Speaker 3: think than any year I can remember, And I mean.
[0:25] Speaker 1: There's kind of been the civil war going on in
[0:27] Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Yeah.
[0:28] Speaker 3: I've been covering national politics since the eighties. I cannot
[0:31] Speaker 3: remember a year when I have written as many stories
[0:34] Speaker 3: about Democratic primaries or primaries in either party.
[0:36] Speaker 2: Ron is a columnist for Bloomberg Opinion and Nancy is
[0:39] Speaker 2: a senior national political correspondent for Bloomberg News, and they've
[0:43] Speaker 2: both been following races across the country from Maine to Colorado,
[0:47] Speaker 2: where centrist Democrats and Progressives have been facing off for
[0:50] Speaker 2: some key seats.
[0:52] Speaker 3: In the history of the party, there is nothing quite
[0:55] Speaker 3: as systematic as what we are seeing now on the
[0:58] Speaker 3: left in terms of the infrastructure of fine candidates, train candidates,
[1:03] Speaker 3: fund candidates, support candidates.
[1:05] Speaker 2: That structure and the success many of those left of
[1:08] Speaker 2: center Democratic candidates have had have become a major theme
[1:12] Speaker 2: this cycle, and they loom large over the future of
[1:15] Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. The scorecards so.
[1:17] Speaker 3: Far is that the left is clearly ascending, but still
[1:22] Speaker 3: primarily in safe places, and that in the competitive districts,
[1:26] Speaker 3: Democrats are still relying more on centrist nominees. But that
[1:31] Speaker 3: firewall is breaking down, and Michigan next week is going
[1:34] Speaker 3: to be critical in determining how far it breaks down.
[1:44] Speaker 2: I'm David Gerrett, and this is the big take from
[1:46] Speaker 2: Bloomberg News today on the show Why the Democratic primaries
[1:50] Speaker 2: in this midterm cycle matter for control of Congress, for
[1:53] Speaker 2: influence over the Democratic parties priorities, and with the upcoming
[1:58] Speaker 2: primary in Michigan in particular, could signal about where things
[2:01] Speaker 2: are headed in twenty twenty eight and beyond. A few
[2:08] Speaker 2: days ahead of the primary in Michigan scheduled to take
[2:10] Speaker 2: place on Tuesday, I sat down with Bloomberg's Nancy Cook
[2:14] Speaker 2: and Ron Brownstein, and Nancy told me ideological infighting among
[2:18] Speaker 2: Democrats is something she's tracking very closely.
[2:21] Speaker 1: You know, so much of the Democratic primary process has
[2:24] Speaker 1: been the party warring between moderates and progressives, between like
[2:28] Speaker 1: sort of new economic policy ideas and old ones. I mean,
[2:33] Speaker 1: the party is really in search of both leadership and
[2:36] Speaker 1: its identity, and all of this is going to set
[2:38] Speaker 1: the stage for what happens and what the twenty twenty
[2:41] Speaker 1: eight presidential race looks like and what the field looks like.
[2:44] Speaker 1: And so the primaries have been really important on the
[2:47] Speaker 1: Democratic side.
[2:48] Speaker 2: On that notion of there being a civil war within
[2:50] Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, Ron, what kind of impact is that
[2:53] Speaker 2: likely to have beyond these primaries, looking at the midterms
[2:56] Speaker 2: and looking at the general election on the heels of that.
[2:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, So most of the wins by the left have
[3:02] Speaker 3: been in solidly blue places. The three Mamdani candidates all
[3:06] Speaker 3: one in New York. Those were all districts where Harris
[3:08] Speaker 3: won over seventy percent. Same thing with Colorado safe district.
[3:13] Speaker 3: But by and large, you know, the left hasn't really
[3:15] Speaker 3: broken through. That's what makes the Michigan Senate race so important, Nancy.
[3:20] Speaker 2: You've written about the upcoming Democratic Senate primary in Michigan.
[3:22] Speaker 2: The other day you called it, quote one of the
[3:24] Speaker 2: signature races of the year. Why is this particular race
[3:28] Speaker 2: shaping up to be such a key battleground, a key
[3:30] Speaker 2: litmus here for Democrats.
[3:32] Speaker 1: It's so important because Michigan is a swing state, and
[3:35] Speaker 1: it will be in twenty twenty eight in the presidential race,
[3:38] Speaker 1: and so it will offer us all these clues about
[3:42] Speaker 1: both parties and what is going to be what's going
[3:44] Speaker 1: to work in this battleground state for the presidential election.
[3:48] Speaker 1: But it's been so important because in Michigan you have
[3:51] Speaker 1: you know, l Sayid, who is a former health official
[3:54] Speaker 1: who is a progressive. He is backed by Senators Warren
[3:57] Speaker 1: and Sanders. He is giving rise to a lot of
[4:01] Speaker 1: the economic populism, he's anti incumbent, you know, all these
[4:05] Speaker 1: things that the progressive movement really wants against Haley Stevens,
[4:09] Speaker 1: who is a current House member, and this is for
[4:11] Speaker 1: the Senate seat. And you know she's backed by Truck
[4:14] Speaker 1: Schumer and also APEC, which is the powerful pro Israel
[4:18] Speaker 1: lobbying group. Gretchen Whitmer, the popular, very popular Michigan governor,
[4:23] Speaker 1: just came out and endorsed her. And underlying that is
[4:25] Speaker 1: a very interesting growing sentiment in the party that is
[4:29] Speaker 1: increasingly anti Israel, and so El Sayed and the progressive
[4:33] Speaker 1: wing are increasingly skeptical of the US giving so much
[4:36] Speaker 1: support to Israel. And so that is sort of an
[4:38] Speaker 1: undercurrent in this race as well.
[4:40] Speaker 2: Ron, you've written about how Michigan's demographics offer Democrats this
[4:44] Speaker 2: kind of unique opportunity to try to win back the
[4:47] Speaker 2: populist periphery voters that both Democrats and Republicans are trying
[4:50] Speaker 2: to court this election cycle. I know you're planning a
[4:53] Speaker 2: trip to Michigan in the coming days. What is the
[4:56] Speaker 2: outcome of that primary going to tell you about that
[4:59] Speaker 2: broader apple the effort to get those voters to go
[5:02] Speaker 2: to one side or another.
[5:03] Speaker 3: One of the things we've seen in these Democratic primaries
[5:06] Speaker 3: is that the left candidates who are styling themselves basically
[5:13] Speaker 3: as class warriors, right, the Sanders argument is that the
[5:16] Speaker 3: way you win back the working class is through undiluted
[5:19] Speaker 3: economic populism, and that in effect that will trump the
[5:23] Speaker 3: cultural issues that Republicans have used to peel away first
[5:27] Speaker 3: white voters and then non white working class voters really
[5:31] Speaker 3: since the sixties. Well, so far in the primaries, you know,
[5:34] Speaker 3: the left candidates, the working class heroes, are depending primarily
[5:38] Speaker 3: on college educated and younger voters. I mean, that's been
[5:42] Speaker 3: their coalition in New York and elsewhere. So you know,
[5:46] Speaker 3: in public polling that's been available in Michigan, you're seeing
[5:49] Speaker 3: the same pattern.
[5:50] Speaker 1: I do think the establishment wing of the Democratic Party
[5:53] Speaker 1: has really woken up to how competitive this race is
[5:55] Speaker 1: in the last few weeks and has rung the bell
[5:58] Speaker 1: And I think that that's why you saw Governor Whitmer
[6:00] Speaker 1: come out and endorse Haley Stephens. She is heavily going
[6:04] Speaker 1: after black voters, you know, in the areas around Detroit.
[6:08] Speaker 1: We've seen her do tons of campaign stop she was
[6:11] Speaker 1: at you know, black churches on Sunday, and so I
[6:13] Speaker 1: think that if Hailey Stevens is able to pull this off,
[6:17] Speaker 1: part of it will be because she has gotten a
[6:20] Speaker 1: huge amount of support from black voters.
[6:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, Stevens is, as Nancy said, relying heavily on black voters,
[6:27] Speaker 3: but also leading among non college white voters and older voters.
[6:31] Speaker 3: And el Seid's coalition is basically college educated voters and
[6:36] Speaker 3: young people. You know. Ultimately, in the general election, Democrats
[6:40] Speaker 3: are going to do fine with college educated voters. I mean,
[6:42] Speaker 3: Trump's approval among them is significantly weaker even than it
[6:46] Speaker 3: was in the first term. And I think Democrats are
[6:49] Speaker 3: going to run very well in places where there is
[6:52] Speaker 3: a big white collar population. The problem is they won
[6:55] Speaker 3: an awful lot of those places already in twenty eighteen,
[6:57] Speaker 3: there aren't that many of them left to win in
[6:59] Speaker 3: the House. In the House, the battleground, as David, as
[7:02] Speaker 3: you noted, is primarily these working class districts. Their Trump's
[7:06] Speaker 3: approval has sagged as well, but those voters have more
[7:10] Speaker 3: residual resistance to voting for Democrats even when they're down
[7:13] Speaker 3: on Trump. So you know, you'd have to say Stevens
[7:16] Speaker 3: is better position to win some of those voters back then,
[7:18] Speaker 3: I'll say that's the fear of Democrats that his far
[7:21] Speaker 3: left positions will allow the Republicans to hold even a
[7:25] Speaker 3: lot of blue collar white voters who feel disappointed in
[7:28] Speaker 3: what they've gotten out of Trump.
[7:29] Speaker 2: Nancy, I want to spend a moment on this Democratic
[7:31] Speaker 2: socialist label, and there is kind of a fascinating moment
[7:34] Speaker 2: during the Democratic debate in the Wisconsin governor's race where
[7:37] Speaker 2: you saw Canada kind of disavow allegiance to the Democratic
[7:40] Speaker 2: Socialists of America, but say that she espouses or greets
[7:43] Speaker 2: with a lot of the policies of that group. How
[7:45] Speaker 2: did we get to the point today, Nancy, where this group,
[7:49] Speaker 2: members of it are really vye to kind of chart
[7:52] Speaker 2: the future of the Democratic Party.
[7:53] Speaker 1: More broadly, well, I think the Democratic Party, you know,
[7:56] Speaker 1: is still licking its wounds from twenty twenty four. Trump
[8:00] Speaker 1: on all seven battleground states there. Kamala Harris spent a
[8:03] Speaker 1: billion dollars to try to win that seat and was
[8:06] Speaker 1: not successful. And I think that there's just a power vacuum, right,
[8:10] Speaker 1: And so anytime there's a power vacuum, it means that
[8:13] Speaker 1: a lot of different people can come into it, and
[8:15] Speaker 1: you know, the Democratic Socialists is one piece of that
[8:18] Speaker 1: that's coming into that. I talked to a lot of
[8:20] Speaker 1: Republicans privately. They are very nervous about the midterms. And
[8:26] Speaker 1: there was a CNN poll that came out this week
[8:28] Speaker 1: which shockingly showed that about seventy three percent of voters
[8:33] Speaker 1: say that Trump is not paying attention to their own
[8:35] Speaker 1: individual concerns. I mean, that is a really startling number
[8:39] Speaker 1: when I look at it. And so what Republicans are
[8:42] Speaker 1: trying to do is say, hey, you know, forget what
[8:44] Speaker 1: we've done or our record or Trump. I mean, Republicans
[8:47] Speaker 1: are entirely empower in Washington, and they're trying to ask
[8:49] Speaker 1: voters to forget about that. And then meanwhile, holds up
[8:52] Speaker 1: these Democratic Socialist candidates, of which yes they're an increasing number,
[8:56] Speaker 1: but not that many, and sort of hold them up
[8:58] Speaker 1: as the boogeyman for the entire Democratic Party, when in reality,
[9:02] Speaker 1: the Democratic Party sure has progressives and Democratic socialists, but
[9:05] Speaker 1: also just has a lot of centrists.
[9:07] Speaker 3: You know, one of the things that Democrats, I think
[9:08] Speaker 3: are really trying to grapple with is the growing strength
[9:11] Speaker 3: of these Democratic socialists or just far left Bernie type candidates.
[9:14] Speaker 3: Is that fundamentally about ideology? I mean, what I call
[9:18] Speaker 3: the core four of all these candidates are Medicare for all,
[9:21] Speaker 3: abolish ice, a wealth tax, not just higher rates on
[9:26] Speaker 3: a tax on assets, and then cutting off military aid
[9:30] Speaker 3: to Israel and in many cases actual arms embargo. So like,
[9:33] Speaker 3: is it that voters are demanding those kind of far
[9:37] Speaker 3: left or vanguard left progressive positions, or is it that
[9:42] Speaker 3: Democratic Socialists candidates seem more committed to fighting you know,
[9:46] Speaker 3: at this moment, I think the evidence is less that
[9:50] Speaker 3: there is this hunger for kind of a revolution in
[9:54] Speaker 3: policy than it is that these guys seem to be
[9:57] Speaker 3: the ones who are fighting Trump and are more to
[10:00] Speaker 3: the idea that Democrats have to do things differently.
[10:07] Speaker 2: After the break, Nancy Cook, Ron Brownstein and I talk
[10:10] Speaker 2: about the way democratic primaries are shaping Republicans approach to
[10:14] Speaker 2: the midterms. Ron and Nancy, we've been focusing on Michigan,
[10:29] Speaker 2: and if you were to pull back and kind of
[10:31] Speaker 2: look at the constellation of other Democratic primaries that have
[10:35] Speaker 2: taken place or are taking place, are there any others
[10:38] Speaker 2: that stand out to you as being maybe similar to
[10:40] Speaker 2: what we're seeing in Michigan or different. Are there ones
[10:42] Speaker 2: you're watching perhaps as closely as you're watching Michigan.
[10:45] Speaker 1: I'm very interested in what happens in Maine, which is,
[10:48] Speaker 1: you know, it's not a primary, but it's you know,
[10:51] Speaker 1: Maine just picked its Democratic candidate, Troy Jackson, after Graham
[10:54] Speaker 1: Patner dropped out. I'm just super interested in what happens
[10:58] Speaker 1: in that state. A because control of the Senate runs
[11:01] Speaker 1: through Maine for a Democratic Party at least, and then
[11:05] Speaker 1: also it's another moment for the strength of incumbency. So
[11:09] Speaker 1: Senator Susan Collins is running for a reelection. She's been
[11:12] Speaker 1: in the Senate for a long time. You know, she's
[11:14] Speaker 1: trying to prevail in a state that Trump lost. Kamala
[11:17] Speaker 1: Harris did win Maine, and so I think that that
[11:20] Speaker 1: is going to be a really interesting test case of
[11:23] Speaker 1: how tired are voters of just like Washington as usual
[11:27] Speaker 1: and are they willing to throw her out even though
[11:30] Speaker 1: she's been making the argument a lot lately that she
[11:32] Speaker 1: is the head of the appropriations committee, she brings a
[11:34] Speaker 1: lot of money back to the state. Like our voters
[11:36] Speaker 1: just so tired of Washington insiders that they're going to
[11:39] Speaker 1: throw you know, everybody out.
[11:41] Speaker 3: One reason Michigan is so important is because the left
[11:44] Speaker 3: is going to have a good week next week. All
[11:45] Speaker 3: signs are pointing toward Francesca Hang, who is a self
[11:49] Speaker 3: declared socialist. In Wisconsin, there's a poll out from Marquette
[11:53] Speaker 3: University with her pulling away from the field despite the
[11:56] Speaker 3: governor endorsing someone else, and then at the same time
[11:59] Speaker 3: same I believe the same day right Minnesota is also
[12:02] Speaker 3: August eleven, and the left candidate there, the Lieutenant governor,
[12:06] Speaker 3: Peggy Flannigan, is another kind of Bernie Warren candidate, seems
[12:10] Speaker 3: to have established a lead over the centrist Andie Craig.
[12:13] Speaker 3: Regardless of how these last ones sort out, I think
[12:16] Speaker 3: you're going to have something of a collective freak out
[12:19] Speaker 3: among centrist Democrats by the end of this primary. What
[12:22] Speaker 3: we're watching now with this kind of infrastructure and kind
[12:25] Speaker 3: of the Bernie Group, our Revolution, the the Elizabeth Warren
[12:29] Speaker 3: Group Justice Democrats like the AOC is like, there's never
[12:33] Speaker 3: been anything quite like this.
[12:35] Speaker 1: Well, just to jump in for a second, you say
[12:37] Speaker 1: the Democrats haven't been through this, and I agree with that,
[12:39] Speaker 1: but the Republicans have. And you know, when I talk
[12:42] Speaker 1: to like my Trump sources and you know, people in
[12:45] Speaker 1: that orbit, they feel like, what is happening to the
[12:47] Speaker 1: Democratic Party is what happened to their party, the Republican
[12:50] Speaker 1: Party with the Tea Party, where you know, suddenly this
[12:54] Speaker 1: insurgent group of people around twenty ten when a President
[12:58] Speaker 1: Obama was an office, you know, got really tired and
[13:01] Speaker 1: really took over the country club establishment Republican Party. And
[13:06] Speaker 1: it's like sort of history repeating itself. But just on
[13:09] Speaker 1: the Democratic side. I mean I had dinner with like
[13:11] Speaker 1: some Trump people a few weeks ago, and they were like, oh,
[13:13] Speaker 1: we feel bad for the Dems. You know, we went
[13:15] Speaker 1: through that sixteen years ago.
[13:19] Speaker 3: What's unique for the Democrats and even compared to the
[13:21] Speaker 3: Tea Party, I mean, the Tea Party was more of
[13:22] Speaker 3: a kind of a diffuse you know, yeah, thing, this
[13:25] Speaker 3: is like actual structures you know that go out recruit candidates,
[13:30] Speaker 3: train them, fund them, support them with endorsements and appearances,
[13:35] Speaker 3: and basically get their buy in, as I said, to
[13:38] Speaker 3: kind of a you know, a litmus test of issues.
[13:40] Speaker 3: You can raise the question where the Democrats are really
[13:42] Speaker 3: advantaged by all of this money going into internal fighting.
[13:47] Speaker 3: But I would bet in twenty eight the center is
[13:49] Speaker 3: going to try to respond more significantly than we've seen
[13:51] Speaker 3: this year to what the left is doing.
[13:54] Speaker 1: And Republicans would like to run against the progressives. Like
[13:57] Speaker 1: the more the further left the candidate is and the
[14:00] Speaker 1: House or the Senate, the more excited the Republicans are.
[14:03] Speaker 1: And so if Lsayed wins the Michigan Senate primary on Tuesday,
[14:07] Speaker 1: you know, Mike Rogers, who is going to be the
[14:09] Speaker 1: Republican candidate, you know he would be thrilled to run
[14:11] Speaker 1: against him. And so it's also just an interesting moment
[14:14] Speaker 1: for Republicans also trying to hold their fire and wait
[14:18] Speaker 1: to see who the pick is.
[14:21] Speaker 2: Let me pick up on that a little bit here.
[14:23] Speaker 2: So they may be eager to run against a kind
[14:25] Speaker 2: of left leaning Democrat in the general election. I'm curious
[14:29] Speaker 2: if you know there's been another impact of this that
[14:32] Speaker 2: maybe the Republican Party. Republicans have felt like they have
[14:35] Speaker 2: they're under pressure to go with their own populist candidates.
[14:38] Speaker 2: Do you feel like the way that this is resonating
[14:40] Speaker 2: among Democrats may lead Republicans and President Trump in particular,
[14:43] Speaker 2: to recognize the fact that perhaps that the game here
[14:45] Speaker 2: is to lean more into economic issues.
[14:48] Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like Republican candidates recognize that, and
[14:51] Speaker 1: they're going to be talking about that. But Trump is
[14:54] Speaker 1: on his own program in Washington, and his own program
[14:57] Speaker 1: is squarely about him and his legacy and what he
[15:00] Speaker 1: views as important, and part of that is Iran war.
[15:04] Speaker 1: But he, I don't think is going to change what
[15:06] Speaker 1: he does based on the fate of other Republicans. I
[15:10] Speaker 1: don't think that's the head space that he's in based
[15:13] Speaker 1: on my reporting.
[15:14] Speaker 2: Let me return to some of the races in which
[15:16] Speaker 2: left leaning candidates have not done well, and Nancy, when
[15:19] Speaker 2: you look at where Democratic socialists have failed to make gains,
[15:24] Speaker 2: how should the Democratic Party think about those outcomes? What
[15:27] Speaker 2: does it say about voters broadly from the way those
[15:29] Speaker 2: races have turned out.
[15:30] Speaker 1: One lesson that progressives are taking where they haven't come
[15:33] Speaker 1: out on top is that people do want to put
[15:35] Speaker 1: forward a candidate who can beat a Republican and they
[15:38] Speaker 1: don't want to put forward someone who is going to
[15:41] Speaker 1: be talking about the Green New Deal and then like
[15:43] Speaker 1: can't win in November or whatever the policy issue is.
[15:46] Speaker 1: And so I think voters are more attuned to that
[15:49] Speaker 1: because I think they are still so mad about the
[15:51] Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. They're kind of shocked that Trump
[15:54] Speaker 1: is back in power, like, how did that happen? How
[15:57] Speaker 1: did these people screw this up? You know, Democrats are
[16:01] Speaker 1: so mad. They feel like we knew all the things
[16:03] Speaker 1: that he was going to do, or we knew some
[16:04] Speaker 1: hint of them. Why did the party let him do that?
[16:07] Speaker 1: And I still think that there's so much anger about
[16:09] Speaker 1: sort of letting Joe Biden run and what happened with
[16:12] Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. And you know, I talked to donors who
[16:14] Speaker 1: were so mad about all the money they gave and
[16:16] Speaker 1: they felt like it went towards nothing. And so I
[16:19] Speaker 1: think they want someone who will fight for them and
[16:21] Speaker 1: fight Trump, but also who can win.
[16:23] Speaker 3: The core issue of twenty six has clarified by now,
[16:27] Speaker 3: and to me, it's like, it's pretty simple. Can Republicans
[16:30] Speaker 3: win vastly more voters who disapprove of Trump than they
[16:34] Speaker 3: did during his first term? And the only reason Republicans
[16:37] Speaker 3: are not freaking out now is because Paul showed Democrats
[16:41] Speaker 3: struggling to crack much past eighty percent of people who
[16:45] Speaker 3: disapprove of Trump. You know, if you're a Democratic strategist
[16:48] Speaker 3: in Maine or Michigan, your job is not as a candidate.
[16:53] Speaker 3: You don't have to convince the majority of the state
[16:56] Speaker 3: that Trump is taking the country in the wrong direction.
[16:58] Speaker 3: Sixty percent of the people believe.
[16:59] Speaker 2: That your job is just.
[17:01] Speaker 3: To reassure enough of them that it's okay to vote
[17:05] Speaker 3: for the Democrat. And so like, you know, the left
[17:08] Speaker 3: is basically treating this as well, the environment's so good,
[17:10] Speaker 3: we can take big swings, we can take chances, Whereas
[17:13] Speaker 3: the center is like, you know, just don't do anything
[17:16] Speaker 3: too unusual and you're gonna win a lot of these
[17:20] Speaker 3: races by historic metrics.
[17:22] Speaker 1: Right, the center is like, don't be weird, you know,
[17:24] Speaker 1: just school, don't be weird, don't be just like seem normal, Like,
[17:28] Speaker 1: don't even talk that much and just like voters get
[17:31] Speaker 1: mad about Trump.
[17:32] Speaker 3: Like that's all you have to do.
[17:34] Speaker 2: Nancy Cook, Ron Brownstein, thank you both very much.
[17:37] Speaker 1: Thanks.
[17:37] Speaker 3: Good to be with you, guys. Good to be with you. Nancy.
[17:39] Speaker 1: Ron was my first boss in Washington, and now I'm
[17:42] Speaker 1: on the pod with him. I'm Honor.
[17:44] Speaker 3: Now we're pod people.
[17:45] Speaker 1: We're pod people.
[17:46] Speaker 3: There you go.
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