# Decoding the Pentagon Bureaucracy

An episode of [Smart Women, Smart Power](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1577846548), 6 Nov 2024, 28 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CSIS3932884854.mp3?updated=1730904863

In this episode, Dr. Kathleen McInnis is joined by Dr. Janine Davidson, who currently serves as president of Metropolitan State University of Denver and the chair of the Defense Policy Board. The pair discusses Dr. Davidson’s years of navigating the bureaucracy within the Pentagon and the lessons she has taken with her to higher education.

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