# Nerding Out on NATO

An episode of [Smart Women, Smart Power](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1577846548), 22 Mar 2023, 32 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CSIS6133920389.mp3?updated=1679493705

Host Kathleen McInnis sat down with Dr. Benedetta Berti, Head of Policy Planning in the Office of the Secretary General at NATO, for an insightful conversation on her role in adopting NATO’s first Climate Change and Security Agenda. In addition, the pair discussed the incorporation of human security, the protection of civilians, and gender within NATO’s 2022 Strategic Concept.

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