# Academia vs. the Policy World

An episode of [Smart Women, Smart Power](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1577846548), 21 Jun 2023, 33 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CSIS1726518400.mp3?updated=1687291934

Dr. Kathleen McInnis spoke with Dr. Heather Williams, director of the Project on Nuclear Issues and a senior fellow in the International Security Program at CSIS. Together they discussed their decision to leave the academic world for the policy world. Plus, they discussed what's going on in the nuclear space!

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