# 164 - Susan Engel: Do We Become Less Curious As We Grow Older?

An episode of [Stanford Psychology Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1574802514), 21 Nov 2025, 49 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1801436/episodes/18229030-164-susan-engel-do-we-become-less-curious-as-we-grow-older.mp3

Adani chats with Dr. Susan Engel, a Senior Lecturer and Senior Faculty Fellow in Psychology at Williams College. Susan’s research spans many areas, including the development of curiosity and invention, children’s ideas, the impact of college, and school reform. In this conversation, we discuss Susan’s seminal research on children's curiosity, how curiosity develops into adulthood, and her latest book, The Intellectual Lives of Children. Susan also shares the story behind how she first started in this field of research, and the projects she’s excited to work on next. Susan’s website: https://psychology.williams.edu/profile/sengel/ Susan’s book The Hungry Mind: https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Mind-Origins-Curiosity-Childhood/dp/0674984110 Susan’s book The Intellectual Lives of Children: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-intellectual-lives-of-children-susan-engel/1136606329 Susan’s upcoming book American Kindergarten: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo258923309.html Adani’s website: https://www.adaniabutto.com Adani’s Bluesky: @adani Podcast Twitter @StanfordPsyPod Podcast Substack https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/ Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com

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