# Bob Katter on Taking Down Prime Ministers, 50 years in politics & Australia Selling Itself Out

An episode of [Straight Talk with Mark Bouris](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1572546872), 31 Mar 2026, 1 h 24 min.

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Bob Katter is one of Australia's longest-serving politician with 51 years in parliament and one of the most recognisable figures in the country. In this conversation, Katter reveals how he brought down Prime Minister Julia Gillard over the live cattle export ban, explains why he left the National Party, Australia's problem with selling out, rise of One Nation and details the structural collapse he's witnessed across rural Australia. He discusses the deregulation that decimated sugar, dairy, tobacco and other agricultural sectors, and why he believes politicians today simply won't govern. You can subscribe to the free Mentored newsletter here: https://lnkd.in/e7C8akgj. Join my exclusive Mentored+ community: https://mentored.com.au/become-a-member/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Bob Catter Well and straight to it.
[0:01] Speaker 2: Mate. You have a pretty big reputation these days.
[0:04] Speaker 1: You have too.
[0:05] Speaker 2: I'm sacrificing a day in parliament. This is, oh my God,
[0:08] Speaker 2: come here, thank yous sacrifice.
[0:12] Speaker 1: It is a sacrifice. And by the way, I'm much
[0:15] Speaker 1: appreciative and I'm hopefully we get in a camera with
[0:17] Speaker 1: your hat. I mean, I have to tell everybody that
[0:19] Speaker 1: as he walked up so many people. There's a couple
[0:22] Speaker 1: of trade He's at the front door here recognizing young blokes.
[0:26] Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the hat that's recognizable or
[0:28] Speaker 1: the gate on him, the swagger, but they recognize him,
[0:32] Speaker 1: and you know, people put their hand out to shake
[0:34] Speaker 1: his hand. And I was sitting with my son and
[0:36] Speaker 1: my son, my oldest boy, who's forty five. He said, Dad,
[0:39] Speaker 1: there's Bob catter and so one of the most recognizable
[0:43] Speaker 1: politicians in Australia. And part of the reason of that, Bob,
[0:45] Speaker 1: is that I think you've been in Parliament maybe fifty years,
[0:49] Speaker 1: fifty one years, fifty one years.
[0:52] Speaker 2: A part of the reflection upon my intelligence when I
[0:55] Speaker 2: went in there, I on turned fifty thousand acres good
[0:58] Speaker 2: country up in the Gulf. I didn't know any money
[1:01] Speaker 2: on it. I was negotiating twenty million from my own
[1:04] Speaker 2: mining comes twenty million then money. Wow, look at me now,
[1:09] Speaker 2: my wife said, you'll do well. So I have. I
[1:13] Speaker 2: got all my earthly positions to my son, my six rifles.
[1:21] Speaker 1: So where is your area?
[1:23] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, my homeland's gone curry out or family went there. Well,
[1:28] Speaker 2: I'm living in Charterstowners where my family went, I don't
[1:32] Speaker 2: know, one hundred and eighty years ago to Charter's Tairs gold
[1:35] Speaker 2: Rush tale, you know. And so I'm sort of back
[1:39] Speaker 2: where we started from.
[1:40] Speaker 1: So I did watch something on I think a channel,
[1:44] Speaker 1: wasn't one of the TV channels that the freeware shows.
[1:47] Speaker 1: And I remember, and I didn't realize this, but you
[1:50] Speaker 1: have Lebanese heritage.
[1:52] Speaker 2: Oh my look I burw up. Not to respect yourself,
[1:56] Speaker 2: but I burw up. I mean, yeah, a great grand father. Yeah,
[2:02] Speaker 2: the eighty seventies or eighties. I know nothing about it,
[2:08] Speaker 2: and you know, it really burst me up. All my knowledge,
[2:13] Speaker 2: my father's knowledge, my grandfathers. It's all Australian, you know,
[2:16] Speaker 2: we really know nothing about it about and yet similarly,
[2:22] Speaker 2: with a name Irish and Welsh and bloody, everything out
[2:25] Speaker 2: of the bloody thing that everyone's got a bit of
[2:28] Speaker 2: comic humor. My sisters, So I do a family tree.
[2:32] Speaker 2: I said, you're quite mad. If you're in Australian you
[2:35] Speaker 2: chop it down and burn it as soon as possible.
[2:38] Speaker 2: I'm not ashamed. Has seen two. A month later he
[2:43] Speaker 2: has the family tree going. Great grandfather was your assistant
[2:47] Speaker 2: gardener at Government House. How about that in three generations
[2:52] Speaker 2: in Australia, we hadn't made it past unschooled laborer. That's
[2:57] Speaker 2: a very great to be and nobody. But the second
[3:04] Speaker 2: time I visited, about a month after that, say that's
[3:06] Speaker 2: the family street going. She said, a stupid speech you
[3:10] Speaker 2: gave him mount I was the last week. He's family
[3:13] Speaker 2: tree going about timing did something about crime here in Townsville.
[3:17] Speaker 2: He's family speech last the month.
[3:23] Speaker 1: Why do you think you've been in politics or someone?
[3:25] Speaker 1: But you probably had plenty of cheeses of other things.
[3:28] Speaker 2: You know why all my fortune got shot to places
[3:33] Speaker 2: was I got in there because you know, Joe was
[3:37] Speaker 2: making whitlam bleed and I think they were thirteen or
[3:42] Speaker 2: sixteen of us when in that year they had nothing
[3:44] Speaker 2: to do with politics. Yeah, I'd been nice to stand
[3:48] Speaker 2: down from the local branch of the Country Baker athlete,
[3:52] Speaker 2: disinterested and uninterested and so they stood me there. But
[3:57] Speaker 2: Whitlam got me interested and as I said, thirteen or
[4:01] Speaker 2: sixteen us I can't remember that, went into politics and
[4:04] Speaker 2: got elected to parliament in that election because but JOCKI
[4:08] Speaker 2: Purison was making Whitlam bleed and we followed as our
[4:11] Speaker 2: job to get behind him.
[4:13] Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the Country Party, Country part
[4:16] Speaker 1: What was Country what became the National Party.
[4:18] Speaker 2: But was it was very much Country.
[4:20] Speaker 1: Country Party back in Queensland in those days. And did
[4:23] Speaker 1: you do it though, to support Joba competters in Queensland
[4:27] Speaker 1: with the Country, Well, it.
[4:28] Speaker 2: Was more I suppose to get at Whitlam, and to
[4:32] Speaker 2: get at Whitlam was to back a jokey Purtison.
[4:35] Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the seventies, so early time,
[4:38] Speaker 1: early seventies, and obviously it is fifty odd years ago,
[4:42] Speaker 1: but Whitlam. It's pretty interesting that you should say that,
[4:46] Speaker 1: because if we look at today you remember this, most
[4:51] Speaker 1: people won't. But during that period, Opek in nineteen seventy
[4:54] Speaker 1: three decided to stop the production of oil and we
[4:58] Speaker 1: had this concept called stat yep in the period of
[5:02] Speaker 1: Whitlam's period. And of course Whitlam was one of the
[5:04] Speaker 1: biggest spending governments in our history.
[5:08] Speaker 2: Because but none of it on development. It was all
[5:12] Speaker 2: just taking money off people over here and given making
[5:15] Speaker 2: a big man of myself giving money to people over there.
[5:17] Speaker 1: Redistribution of wealth, distribution. And and when I look at today,
[5:23] Speaker 1: because of course all prices are tripled. It during that period,
[5:26] Speaker 1: during the early seventies through to the late seventies, and
[5:29] Speaker 1: we had this thing called stateflation, when inflation was going
[5:32] Speaker 1: that way and the economy was going that way and
[5:35] Speaker 1: they couldn't control it. And at the same time the
[5:37] Speaker 1: Whitlam gun was spending like a drunken sailor.
[5:40] Speaker 2: Mark, I was wrong in saying that. I said he
[5:43] Speaker 2: took money off people over there. He didn't. He gave
[5:47] Speaker 2: the money to the people that he didn't have. He
[5:50] Speaker 2: borrowed it. Yeah, And that's inflation went through the buddy
[5:54] Speaker 2: roof in one quarter. We're twenty four and a half
[5:57] Speaker 2: percent inflation in one quarter. And it was scary. It
[6:01] Speaker 2: was really scary.
[6:02] Speaker 1: And what most people don't realize, Bob, and you remember
[6:04] Speaker 1: this too, is that we actually had unemployment very high
[6:08] Speaker 1: during the period, because I remember my dad lost his
[6:09] Speaker 1: job during that period, and I remember it well. I
[6:12] Speaker 1: was like in my late teens and my dad lost
[6:15] Speaker 1: his job. And where I'm worried about today given all
[6:18] Speaker 1: price high again and we have a spending government again
[6:21] Speaker 1: who spends more money per capital as a percentage duty
[6:25] Speaker 1: PI than we've ever spent our history. What worries me
[6:28] Speaker 1: about today is that unemployment will get out of control
[6:31] Speaker 1: again if we don't get control of what's going on.
[6:33] Speaker 2: You see, it's hidden now. There's all sorts of ways
[6:37] Speaker 2: you can get dull money, and people take advantage of that.
[6:42] Speaker 2: Someone's going to give us some money for doing nothing. Well,
[6:44] Speaker 2: you'd be stupid not to take it, wouldn't you. And
[6:48] Speaker 2: they live at home now, they don't get married and
[6:51] Speaker 2: you know, make a home for themselves. They can't afford
[6:54] Speaker 2: to anyway. But the structural collapse of the country's knocked out.
[7:00] Speaker 2: For about two months, a dog tried to turmb a
[7:03] Speaker 2: foot off and every excuse me my language smile asked,
[7:06] Speaker 2: of course, said how's the dog? That's a dog? But
[7:12] Speaker 2: and then they call it long flu. I was the
[7:14] Speaker 2: out of the game for two months. When I came
[7:16] Speaker 2: to it. Went down to see Rebecca Sharky and who
[7:20] Speaker 2: who she's a Member of Parliament for Adelaide Hills Federal Parliament,
[7:25] Speaker 2: Independent and I said, this country completely implanting. She said, yeah,
[7:30] Speaker 2: where are you being? Like, you know, you're an idiot
[7:32] Speaker 2: for not knowing it? And then I went Sir Andrew
[7:35] Speaker 2: Gson's parliament resumed. He's the independent member for Orange and
[7:40] Speaker 2: New South Wales and he said he looked at me
[7:44] Speaker 2: like I some more on as well, you know, like
[7:46] Speaker 2: where are you being? Everyone knows the country's but see,
[7:49] Speaker 2: there's nothing happening that increases the wealth in this country,
[7:54] Speaker 2: and there's plenty happening that decreases the wealth. We only
[7:59] Speaker 2: have three sources of income iron ore, coal and gas.
[8:03] Speaker 2: There are one hundred and twenty billion on average the
[8:06] Speaker 2: three of them. The next thing down might be b
[8:10] Speaker 2: for gold fifteen billion, the one hundred and twenty billion.
[8:14] Speaker 2: The next thing down before goes a fifteen billion. So
[8:18] Speaker 2: you've got the big tree. Well, we gave the gas
[8:22] Speaker 2: away for six cents a yearnit, we're buying it.
[8:25] Speaker 1: Can you explain that to everybody?
[8:27] Speaker 2: How it is you have to apply for a permit
[8:31] Speaker 2: to take gas a mining permit. It's court and the
[8:36] Speaker 2: government decides how much they're going to take out of
[8:40] Speaker 2: the mining permit. Now there's no restrictions on foreign investment
[8:46] Speaker 2: in Australia, so it was quickly sold off to foreigners
[8:51] Speaker 2: the entire gas reserves of Australia. So Australia gets six
[8:55] Speaker 2: hundred million for their gas, six hundred million Quata exports
[9:01] Speaker 2: some matter gas and he gets twenty nine thousand VIGION
[9:05] Speaker 2: for the same moment a gain. We gave the gas away.
[9:08] Speaker 2: So gas is gone too bad, so sad. But because
[9:13] Speaker 2: the gas is foreign owned and the government won't reign
[9:17] Speaker 2: in or in any way involve itself in the marketplace,
[9:21] Speaker 2: where we're going to buy a gas at international priceis
[9:24] Speaker 2: which is now about nineteen dollars a unit, where a
[9:27] Speaker 2: competitors Russia and for example and fertilizer Russia and America
[9:32] Speaker 2: are getting this for six dollars. We puying ninety eight dollars.
[9:36] Speaker 2: They're getting this for six dollars for our own gas,
[9:39] Speaker 2: our own gas, we have to buy ninety eight dollars. Now,
[9:44] Speaker 2: West Australia, God bless them. They have reserved resource policy
[9:48] Speaker 2: and in fantasy Prime Minister and I raised it with him.
[9:52] Speaker 2: The next day he came out and said, it may
[9:54] Speaker 2: be that we have to introduce a reserve resource policy
[9:58] Speaker 2: on you gas, he said in Australia the next day.
[10:03] Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm sure that he spoke to a
[10:08] Speaker 2: couple of imbecile ministers about it, and nothing has happened,
[10:12] Speaker 2: and nothing it tends to happen. So Mount Isaac announced
[10:16] Speaker 2: as the closure of two of their three operations, the
[10:21] Speaker 2: fertilized plant and the copper stream. They announced closure of
[10:25] Speaker 2: both and they go and give six hundred million to
[10:27] Speaker 2: a foreign corporation keep it open.
[10:30] Speaker 1: That's the government gave six.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Government Fedish Stawe and federal government goal and I might
[10:35] Speaker 2: add liberal state government labor, federal government liberal labor that
[10:41] Speaker 2: runs Australia. They gave six hundred million to the foreign
[10:45] Speaker 2: corporation to keep the doors open. We want them to
[10:48] Speaker 2: close the doors, get rid of Glencore and open it
[10:52] Speaker 2: up to Australian ownership. There were two Australian groups that
[10:56] Speaker 2: wanted to buy it. I mean, that's the fourth biggest
[10:59] Speaker 2: indust undertaking in Australia and probably about fifty thousand jobs
[11:06] Speaker 2: dependent upon that place directly and indirectly, and well, yeah,
[11:11] Speaker 2: the government props a foreign corporation up with people. Is
[11:16] Speaker 2: that next money?
[11:17] Speaker 1: Is that priandum six hundred minute? Is that six hundred
[11:20] Speaker 1: million perim six.
[11:20] Speaker 2: Hundred and forty million. It's over the next two years effectively,
[11:27] Speaker 2: but I think everyone knows that they'll come back again
[11:30] Speaker 2: next year ask them for more money, so it'll effectively
[11:33] Speaker 2: be pretty close to annually.
[11:36] Speaker 1: So you were a Country Party member, and particularly in
[11:40] Speaker 1: this at the state level, what.
[11:42] Speaker 2: Was when you say country and remember you know.
[11:46] Speaker 1: Do you did?
[11:47] Speaker 2: You went?
[11:48] Speaker 1: What was the change over to federal politics? What was
[11:50] Speaker 1: the thing that reason to change everthings?
[11:53] Speaker 2: What happened was I was running the show. We lost
[11:57] Speaker 2: that election, and people said that was course, I was
[12:00] Speaker 2: running the shop. Put that aside for the moment. But
[12:03] Speaker 2: I was running the show, and I called Neil Turner
[12:07] Speaker 2: his background, so I tendigle to my own right down
[12:10] Speaker 2: to the point of bar room brawling. But Neil came
[12:15] Speaker 2: back in the state House and they said what are
[12:18] Speaker 2: you going to do? And I said, well, I said,
[12:20] Speaker 2: someone's going to go to Cambridge. Well it's obviously you.
[12:23] Speaker 2: I said, yeah, Well I don't really notice it, but
[12:25] Speaker 2: I'm running the show. He said, I have noticed that actually,
[12:29] Speaker 2: so I said, I can't go to camer unless you're
[12:32] Speaker 2: fit to step up and run the show here. He said, no,
[12:35] Speaker 2: I'd like to be. I want to be premier. I'm
[12:38] Speaker 2: determined to be premier. Well that God's decided, and he said,
[12:41] Speaker 2: would have passed your mind of course, that if we
[12:43] Speaker 2: control Queensland you'll be the federal leader. Well it has
[12:46] Speaker 2: crossed my mind anyway, thanks to the stupidity. The premier
[12:53] Speaker 2: is a very nice blake and I put him there
[12:56] Speaker 2: to get us through the elections. He was a harmless
[12:58] Speaker 2: sort of blake, you know, and would and rock the
[13:01] Speaker 2: boat and the media, you know, would be kind to him.
[13:04] Speaker 2: So he put him up front and he's good black
[13:06] Speaker 2: dangu muror. But anyway, through his towering political and confidence
[13:12] Speaker 2: turn and lost that vote by two votes and he
[13:15] Speaker 2: rolled his way and left that Parliament nine left stranded
[13:18] Speaker 2: in bloody Camera with no power boats beyond me. So
[13:23] Speaker 2: that's that's how it ended up.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, how important is Queensland Queensland votes at a federal level,
[13:30] Speaker 1: Like is it more important than we give a credit
[13:32] Speaker 1: for in the in the lower States. In the senior
[13:34] Speaker 1: South walesa well.
[13:36] Speaker 2: You know it's getting pretty big, you know, eight and
[13:38] Speaker 2: nine million people now, yeah, but then again, you know
[13:41] Speaker 2: Sydney has eight on one million people. Yeah, No, it's
[13:47] Speaker 2: very significant now and each passing year it gets more
[13:50] Speaker 2: significant explosive growth on the Gold Coast and in Brisbane.
[13:56] Speaker 1: In that regard, I mean, you've got the Catterparty now
[13:58] Speaker 1: as opposed to as opposed to the Nation you left
[14:01] Speaker 1: the Nationals. Yep, maybe we just cover off that off
[14:04] Speaker 1: what most people see you as a Country Party slash
[14:07] Speaker 1: Nationals guy. Why did you leave the Nationals? What happened
[14:10] Speaker 1: and when?
[14:12] Speaker 2: If you start where I live in Charlestowse, it's a
[14:16] Speaker 2: cattle town and Julia Gillard cut off live cattle exports,
[14:21] Speaker 2: the price cattle drop plan in half. Just about every
[14:25] Speaker 2: cattle in Australia was technically bankrupt at that stage and
[14:29] Speaker 2: that was where I believe I had no alternative but
[14:34] Speaker 2: switched my boat. It was a balance of power situation.
[14:37] Speaker 2: There are only two boats in it. I switched my
[14:40] Speaker 2: boat and support from the Liberal Party to the Love
[14:42] Speaker 2: Party on condition that they got rid of Gillard and
[14:46] Speaker 2: put writing.
[14:47] Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, so wow.
[14:50] Speaker 2: So I held the pres conference the morning ten o'clock
[14:53] Speaker 2: that night, Julie was gone and was in and I
[14:56] Speaker 2: said Delbo, I said, did not really get rid of
[14:58] Speaker 2: the Prime minis. He said, absolutely, it was nothing on
[15:00] Speaker 2: when you call that press conference the morning. Been nothing
[15:04] Speaker 2: on for three or four months. And he said the
[15:07] Speaker 2: phones just went white hot and she was gone that night. Well,
[15:11] Speaker 2: in fantas to my judgment, within nine days Kevin A.
[15:16] Speaker 2: Seven was in Indonesia trying to repair the damage that
[15:19] Speaker 2: had been done. Within thirteen days the market was reopened.
[15:24] Speaker 2: Within two months, the price of cattle I had doubled,
[15:27] Speaker 2: and I'd rescued all of my brothers in the cattle industry,
[15:31] Speaker 2: and i'd whether they've got a single vote off any
[15:33] Speaker 2: of them that election. I mean, you just wedged into
[15:38] Speaker 2: two party politics and you're stupid. But anyway, that's the
[15:41] Speaker 2: way it wasn't. I almost got beaten that election. I
[15:44] Speaker 2: went within about two percent of being beaten.
[15:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, because maybe you could just explain to the people listening,
[15:48] Speaker 1: because you know you just mentioned Indonesia. I mean in
[15:51] Speaker 1: the live cattle export. The issue was, as I understand,
[15:54] Speaker 1: is that Indonesia likes us to send live cattle to
[15:57] Speaker 1: them so that they can slaughter them there, they grow
[16:00] Speaker 1: them out.
[16:00] Speaker 2: We send little calves to them, and you know, they
[16:03] Speaker 2: have a backyard industry. They feed food scraps to two
[16:06] Speaker 2: or three you know mirkhouse, and they grow them out
[16:10] Speaker 2: and then you know, process them over their avatar process
[16:14] Speaker 2: it very cheaply. And they produced a lot of the
[16:17] Speaker 2: world's leather from that market. And you know, I found
[16:22] Speaker 2: them excellent people to deal with, nothing like that Middle
[16:25] Speaker 2: Eastern or North African crouch. And they won't share some
[16:29] Speaker 2: sort of religion. Millings held a lot of different religions
[16:31] Speaker 2: intellection than it is over there. But now you asked
[16:36] Speaker 2: me a question, what did I get out of the
[16:38] Speaker 2: National Park. Well, they had nothing to do with the
[16:41] Speaker 2: destruction of the wool industry. That was a keating special
[16:47] Speaker 2: and they had plenty to do with the live cattle
[16:49] Speaker 2: because Susan Laigh, who was to become the federal leader,
[16:54] Speaker 2: she moved for the abolition of the live cattle trope
[16:57] Speaker 2: and the ALP felt that was a good invitation and
[17:00] Speaker 2: they were being pushed by the Wokis to ban live
[17:04] Speaker 2: animal exports, so that the ellen P had plenty to
[17:10] Speaker 2: answer for on the life cattle decision. But it was
[17:13] Speaker 2: taken by gillad and for that she was sacked as
[17:17] Speaker 2: Prime minister. I know because I sacked her. But so
[17:21] Speaker 2: that was life. Move Charouse. The next town the electric
[17:26] Speaker 2: is Ingham, and then sugar all the way up the case.
[17:30] Speaker 2: John Anderson deregulated the sugar industry. Fifty of our sugar
[17:34] Speaker 2: went on the home market at an agreed upon price.
[17:39] Speaker 2: It was an arbitrated price. So we said we want
[17:42] Speaker 2: this amount. You know, government said you'll get that amount,
[17:47] Speaker 2: and we got a fair So we had forty of
[17:52] Speaker 2: our sugar went on the home market at an acceptable price,
[17:56] Speaker 2: so we could ride ups and downs of the world
[17:59] Speaker 2: mark for sugar. John Anderson free market here replacement for
[18:05] Speaker 2: brains in my opinion. You know, you don't have to
[18:07] Speaker 2: think of for your free market. He abolished all the
[18:11] Speaker 2: marketing arrangements, all of the sugar mills. And it's just
[18:15] Speaker 2: like the fifth biggest export company country. Industry this country
[18:20] Speaker 2: has got starts in northern years south. It's very big
[18:23] Speaker 2: in northern years South whist and goes all the way
[18:25] Speaker 2: to north of Cairns. You know, it's one of the
[18:28] Speaker 2: big industries of this country. Still still he no, no, no,
[18:34] Speaker 2: not now it's it's been given a mortal blow. All
[18:38] Speaker 2: of the sugar mills are owned by the farmers. Now
[18:41] Speaker 2: all the sugar mills are foreign owned. But that's the
[18:44] Speaker 2: start of it. They're using their muscle powercers. There's no
[18:47] Speaker 2: arbitration price, so they get to monopoly. I won't go
[18:50] Speaker 2: into that, but they go to monopoly. So they just
[18:52] Speaker 2: use the monopoly to force price down, prices down more
[18:58] Speaker 2: and more. You see, our boy are going up there.
[19:01] Speaker 2: Put cattle there, and you know, like cattle about one
[19:04] Speaker 2: twentieth what you get out of sugar. And if you
[19:06] Speaker 2: got cattle income for the area, I mean town like Ensphil,
[19:12] Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand people got to size, says Julie Creek
[19:15] Speaker 2: if you switched to cattle. Now, the other issue is bananas.
[19:20] Speaker 2: John Anderson wrecked the sugar industry. He then issued an
[19:25] Speaker 2: import permit for foreign bananas and under the advice of
[19:31] Speaker 2: the great leader we had in the banana industry, Roberd McCoy,
[19:35] Speaker 2: he said, let's get someone powerful and on our side.
[19:38] Speaker 2: We don't know any he said, Dick Pratton. It was
[19:42] Speaker 2: the richest man in Australia at that stage. I said,
[19:44] Speaker 2: you know, Dick Freddy, He said yeah, I got what
[19:46] Speaker 2: I was meeting, so I ran Dick. Dick was in
[19:49] Speaker 2: a fury. He pressed a button. Now I want a
[19:52] Speaker 2: meeting with the Prime minister before cheers. I want the
[19:55] Speaker 2: meeting before cheers. There was really angry, so he and
[19:58] Speaker 2: Robe and KOI went in to see How and how
[20:01] Speaker 2: they had a gut full of Andersent. Little Lord Fauntleroy
[20:04] Speaker 2: in a captain of King's College, the most exclusive and
[20:07] Speaker 2: expensive school in Australia, speaks for the plumb in his mouth,
[20:11] Speaker 2: extremely handsome when he's looking an imaginary mirror in his
[20:16] Speaker 2: hair all the time. And you know, like Howard works
[20:19] Speaker 2: and his daddy's daddy's you know, petrol statue voucher attended
[20:28] Speaker 2: to Worgy's watery in a person. So you imagine how
[20:30] Speaker 2: I had liked Anderson and but he didn't do any
[20:35] Speaker 2: about it. You know, John was terribly good to people.
[20:38] Speaker 2: He didn't do anything about it, John Howard, that is.
[20:41] Speaker 2: But he was watching Anderson destroy rural industry after rural
[20:45] Speaker 2: industry after rule doing this, and you know, Alan Jones,
[20:52] Speaker 2: he was really banging the drum, you know, like this
[20:56] Speaker 2: Blake is completely destroying agriculture in this country. But let
[21:00] Speaker 2: me finish, right, I'm just taking it a tour of
[21:03] Speaker 2: my electric right. So issues an import permit for the Barneses.
[21:06] Speaker 2: And how did that stage It had a gutful of him, right,
[21:10] Speaker 2: and he hauled him in and made him reverse the decision,
[21:13] Speaker 2: and he said, you can't tell me what to do.
[21:15] Speaker 2: And how it said, I will go down to the
[21:17] Speaker 2: governor tomorrow and advise him that the cabinet will be
[21:23] Speaker 2: every single person will be abolished, his fish will be
[21:26] Speaker 2: made vacant. And then I will give him piece of
[21:29] Speaker 2: paper the new cabinet. Your name will not be on it.
[21:33] Speaker 2: And That's what I'm going to do tomorrow morning. So
[21:36] Speaker 2: under that threat, Anderson had to reverse the decision. It
[21:40] Speaker 2: was House overall and reversed the decision. So Banana savit.
[21:45] Speaker 2: The next town is Mariba. Two thousand people employed in
[21:49] Speaker 2: the tobacco industry. Fifty percent of all Australian cigarettes had
[21:53] Speaker 2: to have fifty percent austral in the back up Myrtleford
[21:57] Speaker 2: in Victoria three thousand employees and the tack up we're
[22:01] Speaker 2: two thousand. So he abolishes that rule. Yeah, goodbye. Two thousand,
[22:06] Speaker 2: four hundred farmers bankrupt, two thousand people are out of
[22:10] Speaker 2: their jaws, being kicked out of their homes. But then
[22:14] Speaker 2: we go. The next industry is a flour industry, very big,
[22:17] Speaker 2: and flowers. He he allows flowers in from ota seas,
[22:21] Speaker 2: carrying disease with them, right, so goodbye flower industry. Then
[22:26] Speaker 2: maize corn. He do regulates corn industry. There's thirty million
[22:30] Speaker 2: dollars worth of silos there. They're all empty. Now they're gone.
[22:34] Speaker 2: There's no solace there. We dropped down the road. The
[22:37] Speaker 2: next set of silos a peanuts. They're all empty. The
[22:40] Speaker 2: peanut industry, it's gone, and it's just industry after industry,
[22:47] Speaker 2: sip to grapes. He destroyed all of them, just left
[22:50] Speaker 2: the pathway of absolute dreadful dreadful fellow, you know, pursuing
[22:57] Speaker 2: some ideological what was it?
[22:59] Speaker 1: What is the ideology?
[23:01] Speaker 2: The ideologist free market? You know, the free market will
[23:04] Speaker 2: look after us all. Well, that's all very well if
[23:07] Speaker 2: you are an e f wort and don't do your homework,
[23:10] Speaker 2: because if you do your homework, you know that every
[23:13] Speaker 2: country on Earth, the average is forty six percent. Forty
[23:19] Speaker 2: six percent of a farmer's income comes from the government.
[23:22] Speaker 2: In Australia, seventy four percent. So if your free market,
[23:26] Speaker 2: we're up against the thirty six percent head start. We
[23:29] Speaker 2: were run one hundred meters of rice and we're given
[23:31] Speaker 2: our bonus thirty six meters head start. I mean, she's
[23:35] Speaker 2: like a beat for Christie six meters start. But the
[23:40] Speaker 2: final one was daring. These people get up at five
[23:44] Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, they go to bet it up
[23:46] Speaker 2: on half a jaw right. They're the hardest working people.
[23:50] Speaker 2: They're not very well educated or anything like that, you know,
[23:53] Speaker 2: they're just hard workers, you know. And and he deregulated
[23:58] Speaker 2: the dairy and skin, and that was the final store
[24:01] Speaker 2: for me. I just couldn't walk down the street anymore.
[24:04] Speaker 2: I didn't think that I could win the seat, and
[24:07] Speaker 2: I checked out no independent had ever got re elected.
[24:10] Speaker 2: They got elected, but they never got re elected. So
[24:13] Speaker 2: I'm walking into my open grave. But that was better
[24:16] Speaker 2: than walking down the street and looking people in the
[24:18] Speaker 2: eye knowing that I was a party to the destruction.
[24:22] Speaker 2: Was my party, political party was doing it. It was
[24:24] Speaker 2: the National Party had destroyed except for all that was
[24:28] Speaker 2: the ALP, but all the others were destroyed by not
[24:31] Speaker 2: by the rebels, by the National Party. And I left,
[24:36] Speaker 2: but asked Andrew Ge. He recently left the National Party
[24:41] Speaker 2: and I said why do you leave? And he said,
[24:43] Speaker 2: I was brought up Country Party sending it out about
[24:45] Speaker 2: casts for the Country Party. When I was six years
[24:48] Speaker 2: of age, my dad ran for the Country Party. He said,
[24:51] Speaker 2: some country party. Every single principle we had, the National
[24:57] Speaker 2: Party is party to the exact opposite principles. You know.
[25:03] Speaker 2: We were formed to get statutory marketing arbitration for our
[25:08] Speaker 2: dairy farmers. That was why the party was formed. Now
[25:12] Speaker 2: the party was the party that abolished the right to
[25:15] Speaker 2: arbitration for every single agricultural industry in the country, pitting
[25:20] Speaker 2: us and then removing the bars on imports, pitting us
[25:25] Speaker 2: against people whose average subsidy level is forty five. So
[25:32] Speaker 2: that is the fate of agriculture in Australia. Will has
[25:37] Speaker 2: gone destroyed by the Labor Party, sugar or the sugar
[25:41] Speaker 2: mills of foreign iron. More and more they're buying the
[25:44] Speaker 2: farms because the farmers are going broke bend screwed by
[25:47] Speaker 2: a monopoly position. Will Worths and Coals now going up
[25:52] Speaker 2: probably about eighty five percent of the market. In fact,
[25:55] Speaker 2: the only market they haven't got little towns and way
[25:58] Speaker 2: out suburbs. They don't launch and so there's only two
[26:03] Speaker 2: people to sell you produce to in Australia. And needless
[26:06] Speaker 2: to say, I think Queensland and New South Wales have
[26:11] Speaker 2: lost six federal seats have vanished because population is going
[26:17] Speaker 2: down down down my homeland, the midwest four Little towns
[26:22] Speaker 2: clone carried to you. On the four little towns we
[26:25] Speaker 2: had twenty six thousand. We now got six thousand because
[26:28] Speaker 2: there's no business, seven thousand because there's no jobs. Well
[26:32] Speaker 2: closed down the wool industry then the it was the
[26:36] Speaker 2: ALP that sold the railways. She closed down the railways
[26:41] Speaker 2: and sold off the mineral part of the railways and
[26:45] Speaker 2: a lot of corruption was involved there, not by the
[26:49] Speaker 2: minister but by the head of the railways. And so
[26:53] Speaker 2: you know, the railways are gone, the wool industry is gone.
[26:56] Speaker 2: And you know like cattle, where you had five wool
[27:01] Speaker 2: station properties wool cockage, now you got not even one
[27:06] Speaker 2: cattle cockie. He was just have an overseer on four
[27:09] Speaker 2: or five stations. And of course you really only need
[27:12] Speaker 2: people there when you're mustering, you know, a couple of
[27:15] Speaker 2: months a year.
[27:17] Speaker 1: And let them wander around the rest of.
[27:18] Speaker 2: It, so there's just no work for them out there,
[27:20] Speaker 2: and rural Australia is closing down. They're flying to the cities.
[27:24] Speaker 2: There's no work out there, there's no chance of making
[27:27] Speaker 2: a quid out there. So they were all just taken off.
[27:30] Speaker 1: How do you feel as a quintessential proper country party
[27:35] Speaker 1: guy from the early days, from the you know and
[27:37] Speaker 1: grew up in those environments where you knew all the farmers,
[27:41] Speaker 1: you knew all the suppliers, you knew everybody in town.
[27:44] Speaker 2: I knew them all when they were committing suicide. Really,
[27:48] Speaker 2: my suicide right in Australia was between Milanda and Athena,
[27:52] Speaker 2: which was the biggest dairying area in Australia's right in
[27:55] Speaker 2: the heart of the electrode.
[27:56] Speaker 1: I represent that is that through being remoter.
[28:01] Speaker 2: No no, no. The deregulation, they were on sixty two
[28:05] Speaker 2: cents a leader on the Friday when Anderson introduced the deregulation,
[28:12] Speaker 2: they were on twenty seven twenty six cents. On the
[28:15] Speaker 2: Monday account two cents, they're on twenty six cents.
[28:19] Speaker 1: The boy, why aren't these individuals who have these ideologies
[28:22] Speaker 1: that they're trying to impose on people have been working
[28:25] Speaker 1: hard through generations to establish just a life. They're not rich,
[28:29] Speaker 1: they're just they're putting their kids through school and all
[28:31] Speaker 1: that sort of stuff.
[28:32] Speaker 2: I drive no mesdes Benzes. But then again, there was
[28:36] Speaker 2: none of them being full closed on either, you know,
[28:38] Speaker 2: in the dairy industry, but their lives canted short and
[28:44] Speaker 2: their simple minded, uneducated people, nice good people, you know,
[28:48] Speaker 2: but you know they still don't know what's happened to them.
[28:51] Speaker 2: You know that the ones that are left, like still
[28:53] Speaker 2: bat and Pee, you know, they think it's country poor figures. Well,
[28:58] Speaker 2: no one cares about them because it's only about thirty
[29:00] Speaker 2: of them left, now, you know, wow, serious? Thirty eight thirty. Yeah. Well,
[29:05] Speaker 2: I was addressing a meeting and I said, we're John
[29:08] Speaker 2: fifty four. Now he got fifty eight. And the state
[29:11] Speaker 2: member's member of our party as well. He said, try
[29:15] Speaker 2: forty eight, Bob, And the lady behind him said, try
[29:18] Speaker 2: thirty eight. Chain, that's all that's left.
[29:21] Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Though someone's been in
[29:23] Speaker 1: part so long, I have.
[29:25] Speaker 2: An inner rage. I mean, Jesus told us we're uppose
[29:29] Speaker 2: to love our enemies. Well, you know the judgement I'm
[29:33] Speaker 2: passing upon John Anderson could not be worse. He will
[29:36] Speaker 2: go down in history as one of the worst politicians
[29:40] Speaker 2: in this nation's history. And they say he's found God.
[29:44] Speaker 2: But I hope God's found him because now I know
[29:46] Speaker 2: where he's gone.
[29:47] Speaker 1: What are the people like John Howard? Do you ever
[29:49] Speaker 1: still have conversation with John Howard?
[29:52] Speaker 2: I had a lot of time for John, you know,
[29:55] Speaker 2: and he suffered great pain in what he saw was
[29:59] Speaker 2: going on with agriculture in Australia. But you know, since
[30:04] Speaker 2: all the National Party or Country members of Parliament, they
[30:07] Speaker 2: came from rural areas, he thought, well, there couldn't be
[30:11] Speaker 2: I think this problem. But they're not seeing a problem.
[30:14] Speaker 2: They're still vuting for the National Party. Well, you know.
[30:19] Speaker 2: But in the end, and I think Alan Jones had
[30:23] Speaker 2: a lot to do. You commentatorus, you don't realize how
[30:25] Speaker 2: much power you got, But I think, you know, whatever
[30:29] Speaker 2: Jones's done or not done in other areas, I think
[30:31] Speaker 2: he had a lot to do with how becoming aware
[30:34] Speaker 2: that this bloit was destroying agriculture in this country.
[30:38] Speaker 1: Aside from what Alan Jones is, you know they're currently
[30:40] Speaker 1: dealing with. I mean, one of the things he was
[30:42] Speaker 1: great is prosecuting a strong position for the underdog. He
[30:47] Speaker 1: was always very good.
[30:48] Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. I mean he you know, with this terrible
[30:52] Speaker 2: thing that's happened, I don't know whether it happened or not.
[30:54] Speaker 2: I'm not in judgmental. But outside of that, I thought
[30:58] Speaker 2: he was one of the greatest fighters of the Australian people.
[31:01] Speaker 2: And he also had, you know, that great passion. And
[31:06] Speaker 2: you know for the Australian people, Well.
[31:09] Speaker 1: Who are the fighters now?
[31:11] Speaker 2: I mean, well, that's what I'm saying there there's few
[31:16] Speaker 2: of you people left. Well, you know a bit like
[31:20] Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce, you know, and you know, Barnaby and I'd
[31:24] Speaker 2: agree on everything. You know, we go to church on Sunday,
[31:27] Speaker 2: which pretty rare of these dings, but we'd agree on everything.
[31:31] Speaker 2: And but you know, I said to Barnaby, and I
[31:33] Speaker 2: wasn't trying to hurt him, stip in the second most
[31:38] Speaker 2: powerful man in Australia for six years, tell me one
[31:42] Speaker 2: single thing that you did in those six years. And
[31:46] Speaker 2: it was really sad because he couldn't think of anything.
[31:49] Speaker 2: He raised the Rockampton where I said, you had nothing
[31:53] Speaker 2: to do with that, and you know it, and you
[31:56] Speaker 2: shouldn't erased it. And he felt a bit upset that
[32:01] Speaker 2: he'd raced it because he thought I wouldn't know. But yeah,
[32:05] Speaker 2: I don't say that and rage your anger, but you
[32:08] Speaker 2: know I say it in sadness with Barnaby, you know,
[32:11] Speaker 2: like Matt Canavan is another one. You know, I doubt
[32:15] Speaker 2: whether I've ever heard not say anything that I've disagreed with.
[32:19] Speaker 2: I'm very disappointed that he used the attention of Australia
[32:25] Speaker 2: and he spent the whole time bagging one Nation. Well,
[32:28] Speaker 2: you know, being my guest, they've taken two of our
[32:31] Speaker 2: four seats office and handed them over to the Liverpool
[32:33] Speaker 2: Party and they run around saying, oh, we're the alternative
[32:36] Speaker 2: now or not. You are destroying the alternative. You're just
[32:41] Speaker 2: a running dog or popping on a string for the
[32:43] Speaker 2: Liberal Party.
[32:44] Speaker 1: Just on that, because you know, like you just mentioned
[32:48] Speaker 1: Barnaby and and you've just mentioned as as you said,
[32:51] Speaker 1: one nation taking seats and especially over there in South
[32:54] Speaker 1: Australia recently. But do you think that Matt's strategy around
[33:01] Speaker 1: attacking them, trying to hang them out to dry, that's
[33:03] Speaker 1: the one Nation, is a good strategy.
[33:05] Speaker 2: I wouldn't have played it that way, but I'm not
[33:07] Speaker 2: sure that he's wrong I mean, if you've got bad
[33:12] Speaker 2: out there, you know. I use the word evil with
[33:16] Speaker 2: Penny Wong and with Tony Burke, but I wouldn't use
[33:19] Speaker 2: the word evil here, you know, And I certainly wouldn't
[33:22] Speaker 2: use it against.
[33:23] Speaker 1: Barnaby's not evil as such.
[33:27] Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't describe he as evil, But I wouldn't
[33:32] Speaker 2: say that she's a good person either, you know, And no,
[33:35] Speaker 2: won't apologize for saying that, you know. You know, you've
[33:40] Speaker 2: got to say, I'm fighting when my people get hurt,
[33:45] Speaker 2: I get angry, right, I'm fighting to get bloody the
[33:50] Speaker 2: cold Fields, Galilee based and Goldfield Sapeen. I want the
[33:54] Speaker 2: bloody tunnels that we can open up the massive mineral
[33:58] Speaker 2: province beyond Cam's, you know. I mean, I'm out there
[34:02] Speaker 2: because I know that people are suffering and they don't
[34:05] Speaker 2: have to suffer, and it will get worse unless these
[34:08] Speaker 2: things happen. That is not a characteristic of one nation.
[34:14] Speaker 2: They point out some evils out there, and that's good.
[34:16] Speaker 2: And I think you've got to give her four marks
[34:18] Speaker 2: on a migration. Whether she was right in the past
[34:21] Speaker 2: or not, you may certainly right now, so you give
[34:24] Speaker 2: her four marks on that. But you know, if anyone
[34:27] Speaker 2: thinks that it's going to be where a strangers should go, well,
[34:32] Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I said flippantly, and I probably
[34:35] Speaker 2: shouldn't have said it, but I said, look, people are
[34:38] Speaker 2: so desperate now as a doors political doors and cameras
[34:42] Speaker 2: when you can't at Parliament and there's a doors interview.
[34:45] Speaker 2: I said, mate, they're so desperate now they're vote for
[34:48] Speaker 2: one nation.
[34:49] Speaker 1: You know you think so, you think the vote for
[34:51] Speaker 1: one nation is more desperation.
[34:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, not the slightest doubt in my mind. It's not
[34:59] Speaker 2: afection for their policies. And they don't even know what
[35:02] Speaker 2: their policies are outside of you know, stopping people from
[35:05] Speaker 2: coming to country. And good on them for that. Good
[35:07] Speaker 2: on them for that, and that is very relevant now.
[35:10] Speaker 2: But yeah, they're I can open the Galilee. They're not
[35:15] Speaker 2: going to build that tunnel to not that giant mineral province.
[35:19] Speaker 2: They're not going to build a Bradfield Scheme or the
[35:21] Speaker 2: Clarence River Diversion, which is like the Bradfield Scheme for
[35:24] Speaker 2: New South Wales. It doubles the aguacultural production off New
[35:30] Speaker 2: South Wales. New South Wales produces half of Australia's agricultural
[35:35] Speaker 2: production really and it will double agricultural production and New
[35:40] Speaker 2: South Wales. Every drop of water that stabilded by class
[35:44] Speaker 2: will be used for irrigation where it's only about a
[35:49] Speaker 2: tenth of the water the present moments used for irrigation
[35:52] Speaker 2: buy backs and you know, oh, you can't do this
[35:55] Speaker 2: and you can't do that. And privatization. You know a
[35:59] Speaker 2: lot of water rights that just trade it as a
[36:03] Speaker 2: commodity in the stock market. And Sydney they don't use it,
[36:08] Speaker 2: they just trade it. And Bridge was one of the
[36:12] Speaker 2: great leaders in Australia in my opinion. He used to
[36:15] Speaker 2: get dressed local government conferences and he he said, gentleman,
[36:18] Speaker 2: he quoted one of the big corporations and he said,
[36:22] Speaker 2: as always, the greatest asset we have in our portfolio
[36:26] Speaker 2: water rights. They grow in value every year. And the
[36:30] Speaker 2: wonderful thing about him is you don't have to use them.
[36:32] Speaker 2: What a terrible quote, but Bridgie quoted that from their
[36:36] Speaker 2: annual report to shareholders.
[36:39] Speaker 1: Well, Bob, you're served under so many leaders called leaders,
[36:47] Speaker 1: maybe that they didn't lead very well, but you served
[36:49] Speaker 1: on the same meaning. Who's some of the I mean,
[36:51] Speaker 1: apart from Joe Peterson, who are some of the great
[36:55] Speaker 1: at a federal level. Who was our great leaders?
[36:57] Speaker 2: You know, yeah, Hiltshire was the coordinator general in I
[37:03] Speaker 2: never ever figured out whether Queensland Miracle was Leo or
[37:07] Speaker 2: whether it was Chill, and they both claimed there was
[37:09] Speaker 2: the other Black can both very humble people. But I said,
[37:14] Speaker 2: you know, Leo would be right up there. But you know,
[37:17] Speaker 2: when you come back Federally, Jack McEwan created the bee
[37:21] Speaker 2: fraud's scheme. You know, our property was a two hundred
[37:26] Speaker 2: and sixty kilometers from Richmond, and no one had ever
[37:32] Speaker 2: put cattle on it. The neighboring property made Mone myself
[37:37] Speaker 2: brought five hundred thousand acres. There has never been a
[37:41] Speaker 2: head of cattle on either place. Five hundred thousand native
[37:44] Speaker 2: twenty four inch rainfall. Most of the YUS earth wilds
[37:47] Speaker 2: doesn't get twenty four inch rainfall, and no kind of
[37:52] Speaker 2: been on it. Well, the beef raid scheme changed all
[37:54] Speaker 2: of that. So once you could get so you couldn't
[37:58] Speaker 2: drove anymore, you know, on horseback, and you couldn't get
[38:02] Speaker 2: him out on a ride. The roads weren't fit to
[38:05] Speaker 2: take cattle. So McEwan introduced the beef fraud scheme and
[38:11] Speaker 2: for example, we bought those properties for it's ridiculous. I know,
[38:18] Speaker 2: twenty four thousand dollars. No, half a million acres for
[38:23] Speaker 2: sale for one hundred and eighty million.
[38:25] Speaker 1: Now you should have kept it.
[38:28] Speaker 2: My partner cries all the time. She hungry buss you
[38:32] Speaker 2: sold for twenty eight million.
[38:33] Speaker 1: You may three grand, you may four grand.
[38:37] Speaker 2: Twenty four just on the front of lady man. But
[38:40] Speaker 2: that was the beef fright ski. So that's m the
[38:43] Speaker 2: cattle out, yep. And you could get the cattle in.
[38:47] Speaker 2: And that was McEwen. McEwan set the World Price Agreement
[38:53] Speaker 2: in sugar, which almost doubled our income for sugar. He
[38:58] Speaker 2: introduced the chosen for milk and at the address is
[39:03] Speaker 2: only twenty eight years of age. Two thousand turned up
[39:06] Speaker 2: for the meeting, and he said, look as for me,
[39:09] Speaker 2: I am sick and tired of living on a dirt
[39:12] Speaker 2: floor and a galvanized iron shed eating rabbits, and I'm
[39:16] Speaker 2: not going to do it anymore. So from now on
[39:18] Speaker 2: it gets sold through the marketing corporation, and you do
[39:23] Speaker 2: not sell fresh milk outside the marketing corporation. And three
[39:27] Speaker 2: of them said, you won't tell us how he can
[39:29] Speaker 2: sell our milk. He said, oh, I haven't explained to
[39:31] Speaker 2: your properly. If you just come out the back of
[39:33] Speaker 2: the tent, this big, huge market and we'll just see
[39:37] Speaker 2: if we can get on each other's wavelengths. Now. So
[39:41] Speaker 2: they went out and back through them for them, and
[39:44] Speaker 2: Quan bashed the hell out of left all through them,
[39:46] Speaker 2: semi conscious on the ground. Now, I just want them
[39:49] Speaker 2: explain to them properly. Shut up. But the anthemy is
[39:53] Speaker 2: exactly the same thing. These are the two great founders
[39:56] Speaker 2: the Country Party. Doug Anthony, yeah, his father. They did
[40:01] Speaker 2: exactly the same thing with bananas. All bananas will be
[40:03] Speaker 2: sold through the banana corporate, but in their case had
[40:06] Speaker 2: a little bit of Sicilian in the family tree. He
[40:09] Speaker 2: walks his heads in bit broken lakes while in cases.
[40:15] Speaker 2: And everyone got the message that they saw through the
[40:18] Speaker 2: Banana Grass Corporate. And it was sort of funny that,
[40:21] Speaker 2: you know, the sort of Sicilian background, because Doug was
[40:24] Speaker 2: six foot two or six foot through and he had
[40:26] Speaker 2: a big hook. Now you know, typically European knows he's
[40:30] Speaker 2: blonde hair and blue autumn. But there was a heart,
[40:35] Speaker 2: there was pure Sicilian. I wouldn't have crossed Doug, but
[40:38] Speaker 2: you know, he was the one that created the wool industry.
[40:43] Speaker 2: You know, we were in desperate trouble. Every wool girl
[40:46] Speaker 2: I was technically bankrupt, and he introduced the Wolf scheme
[40:50] Speaker 2: and then we went back to being the juggernaut of
[40:54] Speaker 2: the Australian economy under Doug Anthony. So you're asking me who, Well,
[40:59] Speaker 2: I'm telling you about the heroes, you know, Dug Anthony
[41:02] Speaker 2: and Jack McEwan. And when Jockie Peterson was elected, we
[41:06] Speaker 2: were a coal importing country. It's hard to think of that.
[41:10] Speaker 2: We were coal importing really, And when they said they're
[41:13] Speaker 2: going to build this huge coal port in this big
[41:14] Speaker 2: railway line, never in a screaming it's you know, corrupt fiefs,
[41:18] Speaker 2: you know corruption, and it wasn't actually for thiefs the
[41:25] Speaker 2: first port and Roan, but other of its buddy madness,
[41:28] Speaker 2: we're coal importing country. We're going to bet two thousand
[41:31] Speaker 2: and million, like most of state budget is going to
[41:35] Speaker 2: be on a bet that we can become a coal
[41:37] Speaker 2: exporting country. And I interviewed Jockie Peterson and Leo Hillshire
[41:42] Speaker 2: the court in that general. But I mean, you're going
[41:45] Speaker 2: to go out and spend the entire Queensland budget on
[41:49] Speaker 2: a bet if we could become a coal exporting country.
[41:53] Speaker 2: Did you have any piece of paper saying made by
[41:57] Speaker 2: the coal and Lee, I said, I know what. It
[42:00] Speaker 2: wasn't like that. You know, we knew that we could
[42:02] Speaker 2: sell the cop That's not the question I'm asking Leo.
[42:04] Speaker 2: Did you have a piece of paper that said someone
[42:07] Speaker 2: was going to buy the cop? Yeah? No, no, no,
[42:09] Speaker 2: he said, you don't. He dodged the question. He wouldn't
[42:12] Speaker 2: ask because they had not one single contract. I asked
[42:17] Speaker 2: Joy the same question. It's the same like Leair, you
[42:20] Speaker 2: maybe duck on a dodge and I'm weaving anyone.
[42:22] Speaker 3: But they they put outs and on a bet the
[42:26] Speaker 3: whole Queensland budget for one. You on a bet that
[42:29] Speaker 3: we could become a coal exporting country. Well we did,
[42:32] Speaker 3: would become the.
[42:33] Speaker 2: Biggest collexpoarding state within seventy years on earth. Well, you know,
[42:39] Speaker 2: if you looked at Joe's background, you could have seen
[42:42] Speaker 2: that he was almost as big as thesis, a contract
[42:44] Speaker 2: everyoner those farmer. No he won, he was some machinery contractor. Yeah,
[42:48] Speaker 2: he was a big farmer too, but that was the sideline.
[42:52] Speaker 1: So it's interesting you should say that because when you
[42:55] Speaker 1: the people you named, it wasn't so much about there
[43:00] Speaker 1: warm fuzzy sort of leadership style. You talked about what
[43:05] Speaker 1: they achieved, like you actually like concrete achievements, yes, yes,
[43:09] Speaker 1: concrete achievements, yes. And you talked about one individual characteristic
[43:14] Speaker 1: which seem to cut across all of them, and that
[43:16] Speaker 1: is the individual characteristic of having courage as a political courage.
[43:21] Speaker 1: You know something that you were spending the whole Queensland
[43:24] Speaker 1: budget on one item that tastes a lot of courage.
[43:28] Speaker 2: You know. I was wedged into the Blackfellow portfolio in Queensland,
[43:34] Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm related Blackfellow center. If you live in
[43:37] Speaker 2: small country towns, you custom brothers. They call them hand
[43:41] Speaker 2: novels identifies Soten. It's not as a black Fellow and
[43:46] Speaker 2: dark a gumf curry saying murray from the courage. You know,
[43:49] Speaker 2: we're all bit dark. I don't even figured about that.
[43:53] Speaker 2: But once putting the portfolio, I realized that these pep
[43:58] Speaker 2: were not allowed to on land. They're not allowed to
[44:02] Speaker 2: iron land or the tribines that or the government owns
[44:05] Speaker 2: that are they're holding it in trust for the people
[44:08] Speaker 2: because we love the blackfellows, and we just want to
[44:11] Speaker 2: look after it for them.
[44:12] Speaker 4: You know, we don't trust them, but we won't allow
[44:16] Speaker 4: them to piece paper says I owned mine home, and
[44:20] Speaker 4: but I sort of asked them what they wanted.
[44:24] Speaker 2: Really at the end of the day, they wanted the
[44:26] Speaker 2: white fellows out. Everything was being a ministered by white
[44:30] Speaker 2: fellows out of Brisbane and they were farmed out from
[44:33] Speaker 2: Brisbane onto the Pomper House and dormitors and you know
[44:37] Speaker 2: ka and Yamas, so white fellows running everything in these places.
[44:42] Speaker 2: We had to buy squining dollars to the white fellas
[44:45] Speaker 2: to go out there, living in the middle of nowhere
[44:47] Speaker 2: and do this job. But anyway, they wanted to run
[44:50] Speaker 2: things themselves. They wanted the white fellows out right. That
[44:54] Speaker 2: was obvious to me. But even if they hadn't said that,
[44:57] Speaker 2: I'd still think, hey, this is wrong. White face in
[45:01] Speaker 2: from Brisbane given all the order sense, Yeah that's wrong.
[45:04] Speaker 2: So yeah, I determined that we're going to change it.
[45:09] Speaker 2: But the head of the department was an evil person,
[45:14] Speaker 2: not in the business running people down if I can
[45:16] Speaker 2: avoid it, So I'll just leave it at that. And
[45:19] Speaker 2: but but Jockey Pedison foot the sunshine out of his
[45:24] Speaker 2: well and that of me. And so what am I
[45:28] Speaker 2: going to do? Now? A great lady called pel probably
[45:32] Speaker 2: the greatest lady of the last century. If twenty three
[45:37] Speaker 2: percent of Australia lived in small towns that didn't have
[45:40] Speaker 2: secondary schools unless you were rich, you couldn't go to
[45:43] Speaker 2: a boarding school. So you know ninety those people that
[45:47] Speaker 2: lived that twenty three percent never got a secondary education.
[45:50] Speaker 2: Well she got the remote area allowances and the isolated
[45:55] Speaker 2: children's allowances through so we've got a quality of education
[46:00] Speaker 2: was then about a fifth of the Australian population. A
[46:03] Speaker 2: great lady. But anyway she decided throughout Presbyterian and remember
[46:08] Speaker 2: all the community areas in Queensland. I can't speak, but
[46:11] Speaker 2: then most my brother cousins are in Queensland, not in
[46:17] Speaker 2: Northern Territory. We got ten times more first Australians North
[46:22] Speaker 2: queens then they got Northern Territory. So that's what they
[46:25] Speaker 2: were like. But you know, am I going to sit
[46:29] Speaker 2: idly by and allow this to continue in our way?
[46:32] Speaker 2: Ho say, and featured in the Australian and who's going
[46:36] Speaker 2: to win out of catter on this head of the
[46:38] Speaker 2: department that Jogie Patterson's in love.
[46:40] Speaker 1: With well, I won, did you have to take John?
[46:45] Speaker 2: I was sort of very humorous the deputy premier. His
[46:52] Speaker 2: daughter married one of the leaders in the Torres Straits,
[46:55] Speaker 2: and that's by had a lot of illegitimate children from
[46:59] Speaker 2: the first the strains. And but he was thinking it
[47:03] Speaker 2: was funny and I may have on the fot. Then
[47:06] Speaker 2: suddenly when his daughter married one of the leading people
[47:10] Speaker 2: up in the Torres Straits, he didn't think it was
[47:12] Speaker 2: funny at all, and he came down on my side
[47:17] Speaker 2: by time. But in the end, George May, I haven't
[47:22] Speaker 2: met seven truly great people on my life. Probably George
[47:25] Speaker 2: might be the first one, I'd say. And George put
[47:28] Speaker 2: all his faith in Jesus. And George, George May was
[47:32] Speaker 2: the legendary leader. You know, he's bigger than being in
[47:36] Speaker 2: the Torres Straits.
[47:37] Speaker 1: Wow.
[47:37] Speaker 2: And I don't think George like what fell us a lot.
[47:42] Speaker 2: It was my impression and by Tim, but you know he's,
[47:48] Speaker 2: you know, very deeply religious. That Marlboro case was never
[47:53] Speaker 2: run by Marlboro was Father Salih Anglican Press. And George
[47:58] Speaker 2: May he was you know that the thieves, they were
[48:01] Speaker 2: on that case at all stages.
[48:03] Speaker 1: The famous Marlbo case.
[48:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but those were the two that run and
[48:07] Speaker 2: why they had that tremendous people they were good people.
[48:13] Speaker 2: Backed Marlbo case was because it was led at the
[48:18] Speaker 2: end of the day by two people of towering moral
[48:21] Speaker 2: courage and leadership, Father Salih.
[48:25] Speaker 1: And as In a priest.
[48:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an Anglican pist degree Mr. Island and George
[48:31] Speaker 2: my and they were very very close. And but George
[48:36] Speaker 2: is very religious, and you know, he never went to
[48:40] Speaker 2: a meeting up there. He didn't sing hims and say pray.
[48:43] Speaker 2: It's just very nice, you know. And in fact, I
[48:47] Speaker 2: Christianity's practiced in the Islands like it's not practiced anywhere
[48:50] Speaker 2: else on earth. Right, all the preachers, it's about fifty
[48:55] Speaker 2: preachers and Cans from the Torrest Straits and so their
[48:59] Speaker 2: own sort of little religion Christians. But anyway, I'm very
[49:04] Speaker 2: attractive people, very attractive. But I just got to add this,
[49:09] Speaker 2: this is just terrible. I have to tell you this.
[49:13] Speaker 2: I had about three hundred and fifty meals in the
[49:16] Speaker 2: dw Straates. I had to go up down and stay
[49:18] Speaker 2: and I'll start there for a week or whatever. And
[49:21] Speaker 2: I never touched any food from the mainland at all.
[49:26] Speaker 2: It was taos sweet potatoes, mangoes, bananas, but seafood grown
[49:33] Speaker 2: and caught fish, fish, you know, jewgong, turtle, whatever. So
[49:41] Speaker 2: it was they were totally self sufficient. The last time
[49:44] Speaker 2: I went up there, I measured in the supermarket on
[49:49] Speaker 2: Murrh Island one seventh of the entire shelf space space
[49:54] Speaker 2: was rice. That's what poor people eat. Ah and I
[49:58] Speaker 2: did not touch and my seven meals up there a
[50:01] Speaker 2: single spheric of food from the islands. The greenies said.
[50:05] Speaker 3: Oh, we must protect the barrier reef, we must protect
[50:09] Speaker 3: all of the the seas for the first Australian people.
[50:14] Speaker 2: What's that mean? I would have to place down all
[50:17] Speaker 2: the freezers and all the commercial fishing in entire straits. Well,
[50:22] Speaker 2: hold on a minute, that's where they get their money from,
[50:26] Speaker 2: where their incomes come from. Oh yes, but you know
[50:30] Speaker 2: they wouldn't want us to destroy the environment and the sea,
[50:36] Speaker 2: and so they took away their income and then they
[50:40] Speaker 2: took away their source of food. You know, that's cultural.
[50:48] Speaker 1: I think it's cultural vandalism. I mean the culture.
[50:50] Speaker 2: No, I think it's worse than that. I think what
[50:52] Speaker 2: you're looking at what they call it the Nazis in Germany,
[50:57] Speaker 2: you know where you were annihilator race geneside genocide. Now
[51:01] Speaker 2: I think you're looking at in Neon whits genocide in
[51:06] Speaker 2: the Terres Straits and the people responsible for that. You
[51:11] Speaker 2: will burn in Hell. You know, you've got some weird
[51:15] Speaker 2: ideology that there's no relationship to human beings or human values.
[51:22] Speaker 2: You will burn in Hell. I hope and pray there
[51:25] Speaker 2: is l because that's where I want you to go there,
[51:28] Speaker 2: smooth talking double degree Brisbane, you know, Canberra, I hope
[51:36] Speaker 2: you burn and Hell.
[51:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because it is I mean, that's has
[51:41] Speaker 1: probably destroyed because you as you say, like part of
[51:43] Speaker 1: the culture of those people is that what they catch
[51:46] Speaker 1: with them and their food completely and sharing.
[51:50] Speaker 2: Their right to food has been taken away. But by
[51:55] Speaker 2: the time you get food from the mainland after the
[51:58] Speaker 2: toristrates cossibly fortune. I mean, you know, the melbodyship only
[52:03] Speaker 2: goes out from Thursday Island once or twice a week.
[52:06] Speaker 2: I mean, the cost is colossal.
[52:08] Speaker 1: There's probably not nutritionally right from either so they're you know,
[52:11] Speaker 1: in terms of what they're eating, they're probably not eating
[52:13] Speaker 1: anyone you as well as they used to eat.
[52:15] Speaker 2: Well you know, this is the first Australian settlements. And
[52:21] Speaker 2: you know I can't speak with authority about other areas,
[52:24] Speaker 2: but clearly I can speak about authority for North Queensland.
[52:29] Speaker 2: There's no doubt in my mind that first Australians would
[52:32] Speaker 2: have been annihilated. And I'm not going to go and
[52:35] Speaker 2: to pick the fight first, you know, but one more
[52:38] Speaker 2: bad rifles and the other mob didn't, so we know
[52:40] Speaker 2: this was going to end up and they would have
[52:43] Speaker 2: been all annihilated except the Christian missionaries. The Anglican Church
[52:47] Speaker 2: pulled them in and reserve three and a half million
[52:51] Speaker 2: acres for them in all those community areas, you know.
[52:54] Speaker 2: So and then they set up market gardens in all
[52:58] Speaker 2: of those areas well, Minister. We kept the market gardens going,
[53:03] Speaker 2: but we just went and filled out a form and
[53:08] Speaker 2: unless the council disagreed with it, or someone disagreed with you.
[53:14] Speaker 1: Getting someone objected a freil.
[53:17] Speaker 2: Title, you've got a frail title. And they call them catalyzes.
[53:23] Speaker 2: I honestly had nothing to do with it, asked them
[53:26] Speaker 2: what they wanted to do. I put it before the
[53:28] Speaker 2: committee and it was a really smart committee. Mick Weaver's
[53:33] Speaker 2: played frustrating. I remember Mix sent his money home and
[53:37] Speaker 2: bought all the neighboring dairy farms his richest courses on
[53:42] Speaker 2: the Gold Coast starying sorry from service Paradise. So Mick
[53:46] Speaker 2: was really super intelligent. Blood Douggie Jennings wouldn't be part
[53:52] Speaker 2: of the A V. Jennings. His father's A V. Jennings.
[53:55] Speaker 2: He said. His father gave a million dollars and go away,
[53:58] Speaker 2: went up the golf country twenty eight millions of cattle.
[54:01] Speaker 1: He killed.
[54:03] Speaker 2: Doug use my tough bloke. So Jennings was on the committee.
[54:09] Speaker 2: Now black is the commentact for rugby league in Australia.
[54:12] Speaker 2: And he was also the headmaster of the biggest school
[54:18] Speaker 2: in Coinsay. But you know they're all smart blakes and
[54:20] Speaker 2: achievers and I want the committee and I said they,
[54:25] Speaker 2: I says, what the black fellows want this, it's up
[54:27] Speaker 2: to your blacks and everyone them said, yeah, kick the
[54:31] Speaker 2: white fellows out and let them run their own shot.
[54:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
[54:34] Speaker 2: There's anonymous decision and and that's the way we went. Well,
[54:38] Speaker 2: they've now gone under the Local Government Act and it's
[54:42] Speaker 2: so restricted that it's mixing mockery. They've all got white
[54:45] Speaker 2: fellows back in running everything now and h you know
[54:50] Speaker 2: that famous farm hoover rad Jack Kiflings. If you know
[54:56] Speaker 2: what's everything that you have ever built? Smashed the pieces
[55:00] Speaker 2: and after try and put it back together with a broken,
[55:03] Speaker 2: worn out hands. Yeah, yeah, that's where we were out
[55:06] Speaker 2: at the press moment. He said.
[55:07] Speaker 1: But what frustrates you most in Australia now, just generally
[55:12] Speaker 1: in terms of the political structure, what the political structure
[55:16] Speaker 1: allows to happen. What frustrates your most.
[55:19] Speaker 2: I really appreciate you giving me a bit of time in
[55:21] Speaker 2: your program because before the Senator Kim Karr left and
[55:29] Speaker 2: I didn't know him. I've never spoken in my life.
[55:31] Speaker 2: He said, Bobby, we want you to come down for coupe.
[55:33] Speaker 2: He already ounced his retirement, but he was the leader
[55:35] Speaker 2: in the Senate off and on for about twenty years,
[55:38] Speaker 2: highly respected on both sides of the house. And I
[55:42] Speaker 2: once you come down. So when I went down, made
[55:44] Speaker 2: me a cup of teen and he said, well, politicians
[55:48] Speaker 2: today won't govern. You'll never be able to get them
[55:52] Speaker 2: to govern. They don't govern anymore. I said, when you
[55:55] Speaker 2: come back conclusion, he said, two years ago. So you've
[55:58] Speaker 2: beaten me. I come back clusion five months ago. You know,
[56:03] Speaker 2: it's not that they're bad guys. Are good guys, or
[56:07] Speaker 2: that they're greenies, or that they had blackfellows or whatever.
[56:10] Speaker 2: You know're not going to do it. They're just incapable
[56:14] Speaker 2: of governing. We're trying to get goods in doing what
[56:18] Speaker 2: you at the present moment, you know, with this fuel
[56:21] Speaker 2: crisis and you know, I mean it's sort of sill
[56:25] Speaker 2: eve and ringing up. I've got a black dying, you know.
[56:28] Speaker 2: And he said, oh, well, you know, we've done our
[56:31] Speaker 2: best with the the body that oversightes drug use in
[56:39] Speaker 2: Australia pharmaceutical uh mob, And we've done our best, you know.
[56:46] Speaker 2: And I'm pretty confident dot com, I said, And I said,
[56:50] Speaker 2: I got somebody dying here. Yeah, and I'm going to
[56:55] Speaker 2: pin it on you, your boss. I'm going to pin
[56:58] Speaker 2: it on you because what else am I going to do,
[57:02] Speaker 2: you know, doing it afterwards. I'm not doing it to
[57:05] Speaker 2: hurt you. I'm telling you to try and get save
[57:08] Speaker 2: this blake's life. And he said, oh, I'll make a
[57:11] Speaker 2: decision tomorrow, you know, and I think it'll be favorable.
[57:14] Speaker 2: Well it wasn't favorable. So you know, there's only so
[57:20] Speaker 2: many people that I can destroy, and you know, I
[57:24] Speaker 2: hope Jesus won't judge me askedly. But I did destroy
[57:27] Speaker 2: the Deputy Premier of Queensland, Gordon Chalk. And I did
[57:33] Speaker 2: destroy Jackie Tad, Deputy Premier of Queenslin. I did the
[57:37] Speaker 2: street destroy Michaelhan, Premier Queensland when I came down here. Yeah,
[57:45] Speaker 2: I was not. I can't claim Anderson's scalp, but I
[57:52] Speaker 2: most certainly made a contribution. You know, James probably made
[57:56] Speaker 2: the biggest contribution. And John Howard, you know John, now
[58:00] Speaker 2: it just had a gut full of me. And I
[58:03] Speaker 2: got a lot of time for mode, respect for you know,
[58:06] Speaker 2: I think you said stand out just an ordinary sort
[58:09] Speaker 2: of blake, just trying to do good for Australia. There
[58:14] Speaker 2: was the way I always saw him an honest bike too,
[58:16] Speaker 2: you know, he just didn't think you should lie or
[58:20] Speaker 2: misrepresent anyway. I forget about that.
[58:23] Speaker 1: But yeah, well we bet the current mob, We'll bet
[58:27] Speaker 1: the car.
[58:27] Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm a little bit jawned us here
[58:34] Speaker 2: because Elbow and I went in about the same time,
[58:37] Speaker 2: you know, and I just put those blakes I'm going
[58:40] Speaker 2: on well with you know, were you heavily involved in
[58:42] Speaker 2: rugby league. He's likable and it's just an ordinary knock
[58:46] Speaker 2: about Australian. You know, he's been out to you and
[58:49] Speaker 2: then twice and he just sat in the pub like
[58:52] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, whether a rich, gracious or
[58:55] Speaker 2: or you know, Blake's worked in the railway, you know,
[58:59] Speaker 2: contract this or whatever. You know, he was right at
[59:02] Speaker 2: home talking to any of them, you know. And and
[59:05] Speaker 2: he's that sort of block, you know. But his party,
[59:11] Speaker 2: if I were saying who had the power, I'd say
[59:14] Speaker 2: that Penny warm and Tony Burke had as much Paris.
[59:17] Speaker 2: He's got straight flipp a second on their side, which
[59:20] Speaker 2: is a bit unfair to Tanure. But all the time,
[59:24] Speaker 2: you know, he's got terrible difficulties and tacking the country
[59:28] Speaker 2: where he'd like to tack it.
[59:29] Speaker 1: What about Chalmers's treasure?
[59:36] Speaker 2: You know, I hesitate Chris. I don't know him and
[59:39] Speaker 2: I don't think he counts for anything, and so I
[59:42] Speaker 2: just sort of and I mean I know nothing bad
[59:45] Speaker 2: about him, you know, nothing good about him, but you know,
[59:50] Speaker 2: I mean clearly the superannuation and I said, Kevin I
[59:56] Speaker 2: seven has been really stupid, you know, and I spect
[59:59] Speaker 2: this problem there I won't go into that, but I
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: said we have got to get some off that all
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: of Australia savings going seeperannuation. Well they're doing selling shaes
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: backwards and thoughts to each other or property and that
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: counts for about eighty percent of this banditure. You know,
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: there's a bit assing, but very small bit. But it's
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: just contributing nothing. It's just been taken off the Australian
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: people and they're playing monopoly with each other. And he
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: said John Maynott Keynes said it was a reliate. Well,
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: whether it's a relate, well, the famous economist said this
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: early on. Yeah. But so we've got no money for development.
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: It's useless me saying oh, will you please build the
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: damn or build this tunnel, or build you the Raiway,
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: lined open the Galiley because they got no money to spend.
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: You want to say I got no money to spend.
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: Queensland has got massive income from coal tax, the coal
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: tax in Queensidance twice in years south while well twice
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: that yes it was and of course it will close
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: down the industry. So what the current premier is saying,
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: and I don't know where there is wrong on honesty,
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: this blade. But what he's saying to the back benches
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: just sit tight. The tax will close the mines. Already
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: three big mines have already closed. It was the ALP
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: introduced this massive tax for revenue thing because they've got
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: to pay for the Olympic Games, sixty two thousand million
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: dollars for games. And what will they get out of it?
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: Won't create a single job in Australia. Just a big
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: excitement machine for the politicians. But anyway, so the coal
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: industry will strangle to death by that tax. But Christophilie
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: will be long gone, had crashes down.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: I mean you spend time down in Canberra. I mean
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: most of you them don't really have a sense of
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: this when you get down to the mothership. What's it
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: like having to hang out in Canberra? What does back
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: to do?
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: It's interesting when I went down there the first night,
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: I was in Camera and I went down to the bar,
[1:02:22] Speaker 2: you know where Congrea goes and you talk to people,
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: and no one knew where the bar was. But after
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: about an hour I found out where the bar was
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: and there were two blocks there. They weren't Channelis and
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: they weren't politicians, and they weren't staff as I really
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: didn't know they were. So when does everyone come into
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: the bar, And like I said, well, no one comes
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: to the bar. In Queensland you can't move in the
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: public bar. It is absolutely packed at Parliament House and
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: you know.
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: It's a public bar in Parliament House.
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one goes there. Right in Queensland you
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: can't move. It's packed to the gun walls.
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: But just with people or anybody.
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: No, in the Queensland case, only for unless they bring
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: one of the staffers in. But he can't go and
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: buy himself. So just interesting comment. You know that they
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: don't talk to.
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: Each other, so there's no camaraderie.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: Don't think no camaraderie. They all hate each other or
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: carrying noise to stab each other in the back. And
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: I mean what's happened in the National Party. I mean
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: it's really disgusting. It's just constant warfare. Who's going to
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: be the boss? You know? And of course Varnery didn't
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: make his boss, so he's Ronnie Swagen leaving you and
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: one other the same thing. But I mean they spend
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: their time, you know, hacking each other to the pits.
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: They don't spend a bit of time criticising the government.
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: What do you think about the liberals that federal so.
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: And I've been unfair to care of Cane And you know.
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: I think he's got a pretty good mon orrels Matt.
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: And we'll time will tell whether he can make a difference.
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: And you know my vertites speak. I thought that's good.
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: You know he speaks well, he's very good on his feet.
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: But you know he understand the problems. But you know,
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: as he got the personal force to build a dam,
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: I don't know. I know if I had to say,
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: I say no, he hasn't got the personal force needed,
[1:04:21] Speaker 2: you know to do that. Well. I put the first solid,
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: stand alone solar system in Australia and it's fabulous in
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: remote areas, right, it is monumental craziness. And I speak
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: with authority. I put the first ones in in Australia.
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: It is monumental stupidity in a city. But you know,
[1:04:45] Speaker 2: if we're talking about you know, I don't know, way
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: out in the Burndocks in Year South Wales. Yeah, no,
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: it's good sense in a remote town or location, very
[1:04:58] Speaker 2: good sense. But so I put the first solar system
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: in Australia. We put the first porn and fish farm
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: in Australia. That industry will bring in well over a
[1:05:15] Speaker 2: thousand million ere now in that industry. But you know,
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: I come from backgrounds in a where I had to
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: build my own bloody fences up on site Francis. I
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: had to find work, but get water, you know, from
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: underground help. On Saint Francis. I walked a bit two
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: hundred kilometers trying to get it a road in, you know,
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: so we could get in and out of the bloody place.
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: And but yet I did it all myself. But you know,
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: these people brought up not sort of know how to
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: do any of those things, and you know, direly and
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: I get on extremely well, you know. And she's very
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: conscious of the fact that they lost five thousand jobs
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: when the underwear industry left Sydney and Brisbane. Five thousand
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: jobs went to China, and she's very conscious of that,
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: you know, and she wants those jobs back. Well, dialel
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: say I want to underwear industry back, and I'll say
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: I want damns. Some are people going to have an
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: income And well we're saying the same thing. Not surprisingly.
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: I'll just come from meeting in Dice office.
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: Is it fair to say then that we are not
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: protecting jobs in this country by protecting industries.
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: Well, I think it's infinitely worse than that. I mean,
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: you removed the protection for the garments industry, so all
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: the garments industry is gone. You removed the protection on
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: the motive egle industry. The motive egle industry is gone.
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: You allowed the oil to be exported for nothing, and
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: you allowed all the refineries to close in Australia, so
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: now you have to import petrol.
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: And now look where we are.
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: Sixty two thousand million dollars a year. It is twice
[1:07:11] Speaker 2: as big as any other import, three times as big
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: as any other import except for motor vehicles. It's twice
[1:07:21] Speaker 2: as big as motor vehicles. And also there's the little
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: matter of my horse died and I'm going to have
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: to walk to the super market so i can buy
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: another horse. This is serious stuff. And I'm not Robinson
[1:07:38] Speaker 2: Crusoe's about twenty million other Australians in the same boat.
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: But you know what's the government doing about it? Well,
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: if they're doing something, I'm not aware of it.
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: Then you should be. When you're there, you're not seeing anything, Well,
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: you know, I.
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: Would say that the minister would be one of the
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: biggest gooses I have seen in politics fifty one years.
[1:08:01] Speaker 2: I mean I've seen a lot of goods.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: His bone well, Chris Bowen, yeah yeah, yeah, But.
[1:08:09] Speaker 2: I haven't been question to him the last four days.
[1:08:13] Speaker 2: But the day before that he told everyone, you know,
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: there was a question after question on he told everyone
[1:08:20] Speaker 2: there was no problem. I heard he quoted the figures.
[1:08:23] Speaker 2: You know that, you know, there's no closor and well,
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: I would expect nothing more or less from him. But
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: as I say, elbow I don't think he's strong enough
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: to override Burkey or or Penny Penny wo wo.
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: What do you think? What is it that does does
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: Burke have something like he somehow seems to be able
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: to you know, of course of his own electorate, he
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: seems to be able to influence the prime Minister or
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: the party at least?
[1:08:58] Speaker 2: Sure he don't ginery man, is he? And you know,
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: quiet machinery man do a right in politics. It was
[1:09:09] Speaker 2: just with no but you know prime minister's like Morrison.
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: He was just a quiet machinery man, you know, and
[1:09:18] Speaker 2: he became prime minister. Uh, there's nothing necessarily wrong with
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: that when John Howard was you know, I could could
[1:09:28] Speaker 2: be arguing, but I'm interested in how we turned this around, and.
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: How do we turn around?
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: Well, you know, the only vehicle I've got to offer
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: the Australian people, uh is a voice, and that don't
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: underestimate the power of the voice. Uh. You know, the
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: penis mighty other than the sword, and it's pretty good saying.
[1:09:54] Speaker 2: But you know, outside of that, there's you know, five
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: or six people sitting on independence who are genuinely representing
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: the people in their electorates, and they just coalless colorless. Naturally,
[1:10:11] Speaker 2: I may not be a party, but I mean I'm
[1:10:13] Speaker 2: just coming from a meeting of the five of them,
[1:10:16] Speaker 2: you know, so you know they work together. And maybe
[1:10:22] Speaker 2: if that number becomes fifteen or twenty, then you'll see difference.
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: Even Queensland, our party can get eight seats thanks to
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: Paulling Handsome when we cut back from four to two.
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: And if she tells herself as the answer in Queensland,
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: we could have had the balance of power and she
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: destroyed us. She's a pupent on a string for a
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: very rich person. Now that would be the way that
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: I would see it, and she's done great work on migration,
[1:10:52] Speaker 2: but what does she contribute to Australia. Well, she stopped
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: us from getting eight seats, which I think we could
[1:11:00] Speaker 2: have got at the next election. I heard Robbie Catters
[1:11:04] Speaker 2: speak and he said we'll get the Prance power. Whether
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: it's next election was ten years to him and that's
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: still a pretty good call. And she's got to think
[1:11:12] Speaker 2: about this. And thank goodness Barnaby's there, but she's got
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: to think about this. You know, we'll get three hundred thirst.
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: We got to run in every seat in Queensland and
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: we won't get candidates. Says well, I think we got
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: a couple of hundred thirts in last election, but if
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: we're running in all seats, we'll go over three hundred ths. Well,
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: if we decided not to give her the preferences, she's gone.
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: But I don't think she was the front of the queue.
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: But they in and out cleverness.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: You know, do you think do you think Barney can
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: sort of steal up that group? Do you think Barnaby
[1:11:44] Speaker 1: is going to give it what it means?
[1:11:46] Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping and praying to the good lords you
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: know that said it can and they're pretty good egos
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: by the book. You know, I would be curious to
[1:11:57] Speaker 2: see how they sit in the same route together.
[1:12:00] Speaker 1: Interesting. I'm going to interview her in a couple of
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: weeks time. It's going to be interesting. Get I'm actually
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: going to go and interview her and James, her chief
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: of staff guy. But I'm looking for you.
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, maybe he's gone all the shots there. I
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, there's no way Barnaby will be bending
[1:12:19] Speaker 2: to him. I wouldn't think.
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: all unfolded. I mean Australian politics is that are really
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: a real big inflection point right now. Liberals are sort
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: of waning one nation looks and making a lot of noise,
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: and there's changes going on there. The independence like yourself.
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: Thank god, we've got independence like yourself. And I have
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: to ask you, Bob, there's no retirement from you coming soon?
[1:12:43] Speaker 2: No, you know, I mean, I've got all my faculties.
[1:12:46] Speaker 2: I'm writing my second book.
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: You certainly demonstrate that today.
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: I mean this sounds statistical battlem my way for about
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: forty one people this morning want to photograph and it's lovely,
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: but you sort of got to walk over here, or
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: walk over there, or go walk backwards or you know,
[1:13:04] Speaker 2: and just demanding physically and well, you know, I probably
[1:13:10] Speaker 2: walked about two kilometers.
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: Today from stuff tough stocker may you know they.
[1:13:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how do you peasant stock them? You know,
[1:13:20] Speaker 2: small people from the best bush where you do it
[1:13:23] Speaker 2: all yourself whether you like it or not. And uh,
[1:13:28] Speaker 2: a bit funny on the mother's side of my family
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: and my mother's sort. But I just brought my second
[1:13:36] Speaker 2: book and I used to handle this. It's a good
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: example and almost perished. And buddy Western dissertation goal because
[1:13:42] Speaker 2: they knew nothing about it. And then they became big
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: people and Brisbane and I went from wester training to Brisbane,
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: far awayst I could get from, you know, and uh
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: did it right, you know, uh shoe repairs and boot micasin.
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: But everyone's nurses have became big saddlers and then are
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: still rac and stables and big shopping center and Paddington
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: and very wealthy to great granddad to quote, my mother
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: had an affair with a flu while lift and part time.
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: But you know they said, you know they knew they
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: were important. Well no else they're important, So let's run
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: around the Masonic Lodge and live. Yeah, but I said,
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: yeah my snor and Christian Porter was an that's both
[1:14:51] Speaker 2: catta as long as serving and the other one should
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: have been Prime minister, but chosen another pathway and we'll
[1:14:58] Speaker 2: leave it at that shop.
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: There's no there's no really, there's no retirement or early
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: retirement plans.
[1:15:04] Speaker 2: No, I have no justification to entire. You know, I'm
[1:15:11] Speaker 2: mentally agile, and I have enormous accumulated knowledge.
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: That's for sure.
[1:15:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I've got no way I can justify
[1:15:21] Speaker 2: just shouldering and my rifle and walking out of the trade.
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: You also know where the creaky boards are too, you know,
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: you've been around long enough to know where all the
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: creaky boards are. You know every single step in the joint. Yeah,
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: and every predecessor before that.
[1:15:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll give you one example of that. I
[1:15:38] Speaker 2: have never been able to use a computer. And the
[1:15:40] Speaker 2: reason for that was in the Ficerial Inquirer and Queensland
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: we're trying to weed out there was some really bad
[1:15:47] Speaker 2: corruption and we had to weed it out. And that's
[1:15:51] Speaker 2: plenty awful. But they were putting up child pornography on
[1:15:58] Speaker 2: the good coppers, the ones that have tried to reign
[1:16:01] Speaker 2: in them the and you know, like I think there
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: were eight or nine of them suicide at the good couse,
[1:16:10] Speaker 2: twenty of them became twenty I became alcoholics. All of
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: them were kicked out of the police force. These were
[1:16:17] Speaker 2: the good guys that had the courage to stand up
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: and try and overcome the corruption. In the meantime, the
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: leader of it all, he hasn't got a nice house,
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: the most expensive address in Australia and a very courageous journalist,
[1:16:34] Speaker 2: said senior sergeant, I'm still scared to use his name.
[1:16:39] Speaker 2: Your las, Senior sergeant, you're living in the most expensive
[1:16:43] Speaker 2: address in Australia, you were two top of the range
[1:16:48] Speaker 2: for CDEs bends, your wife doesn't work and you've done
[1:16:51] Speaker 2: all that on eighty thousand dollars a year as a
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: senior sergeant. Could you explains to the.
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: People of Australia thew do go well?
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: I said, I'm getting away from you. You definitely are
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: going to get caught and ricochet. He's just one of
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: those base that you know, journalists with immense courage and
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: Christian conviction for the sake of a bitter word. Yeah,
[1:17:16] Speaker 2: but yeah, the bigger picture is absolutely disastrous.
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: So thank god we've got people still around like you
[1:17:24] Speaker 1: have the history of the joint. But importantly, you know,
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: I guess what I wanted to say to you, Bob,
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: especially of this conversation is I think, and it doesn't
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: get said enough. We should thank you for your like
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: your continued conviction about your principles and your values. I
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: mean like you've never you've never moved from those principles
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: and values. And that's what we need in our politicians.
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: You're not fungible, you're not a changeable. You're not saying, oh,
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: I'm going to change this because it's suitable and it's
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: more popular to go down this way. You've got your
[1:17:58] Speaker 1: position and you stay your your road and I want
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: to say thank you for that.
[1:18:03] Speaker 2: And before we conclude, I just want to paint a
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: picture for you. Please, do we build the Bradfield Scheme?
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: Dr Bradfield, but sitting now which your water supply here,
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: the University of Queensland, the underground railway system which won
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: the World Price for engineering. Let's just say you know
[1:18:21] Speaker 2: a bit about engineering for the Bradfield scheme. Diverse the
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: water from my electric where it rains all the bloody
[1:18:29] Speaker 2: time under its rainfall, a little bit of that water
[1:18:32] Speaker 2: and puts it out where it never rains my homeland,
[1:18:34] Speaker 2: Western Queensland. And that creates, with a bit of adjuncts,
[1:18:40] Speaker 2: sixty thousand million dollars a year the tak money. That
[1:18:44] Speaker 2: is a total expenditure of the Queensland government every year.
[1:18:48] Speaker 2: It will create that every year. Clarence River is not
[1:18:54] Speaker 2: far behind. It will double agriculture in the biggest agricultural
[1:19:00] Speaker 2: state in Australia, the Claris River diversion. Now that's the
[1:19:05] Speaker 2: water schemes. The Galilee Basin coal will double coal production
[1:19:11] Speaker 2: in Queensland which is big coal producer the New South Wales.
[1:19:15] Speaker 2: So there you go. Now, just reeled off three items,
[1:19:19] Speaker 2: like a round one hundred and twenty billion dollars a year.
[1:19:22] Speaker 2: What's the Queensland governs spend the money on the Olympic
[1:19:25] Speaker 2: Games Games?
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: Well, that's that's sort of that says it all right
[1:19:31] Speaker 1: there and then and it's all sitting sitting, and it
[1:19:34] Speaker 1: all sits in the in the in the coast as
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: doesn't go anywhere near the regiency.
[1:19:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the country party will has it's
[1:19:43] Speaker 2: goed ourselves, the own operator party you know, but when
[1:19:46] Speaker 2: you divert that water, you create seven thousand farms. Now
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: for every farm you have a contractor electrician, plumber, whatever, right,
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: and electrician. He retired at thirty nine. He brought acreage
[1:20:03] Speaker 2: on the Budigan River which got some fortune and he
[1:20:07] Speaker 2: goes for tripe Iver's seasipvery year. So we're going infer
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: from this said, you don't want your kids to be lawyers,
[1:20:13] Speaker 2: you want them to be electricians.
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, and plumbers.
[1:20:18] Speaker 2: So so you know, I mean there'll be seven million
[1:20:21] Speaker 2: people moved out of the cities into country years South
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: Wales and country Queensland. And the third one is the
[1:20:31] Speaker 2: bridging scheme in Western Australia. Ernie Bridge bridges very close
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: by the Morn but he had a Bradfeld scheme or
[1:20:38] Speaker 2: class for his diversion scheme for the north of Western
[1:20:42] Speaker 2: Australia and for that Northern Territory area as well bridging.
[1:20:47] Speaker 2: So you had the bridging scheme to that, you know,
[1:20:50] Speaker 2: and well that moves as I say, seven million people
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: out of the cities and their owner operators said, you know,
[1:20:57] Speaker 2: they've got nice houses and nice guards and you're like
[1:21:00] Speaker 2: ten acres of land or whatever. Hu And so you've
[1:21:05] Speaker 2: got the farmers, but you've also got all the people
[1:21:07] Speaker 2: that you know will make a very good living off
[1:21:10] Speaker 2: the farmers, and it'll be a much richer and happier Australia.
[1:21:17] Speaker 2: And the Blake who wrote that beautiful song in and
[1:21:21] Speaker 2: to kick off the two hundred years celebrations, we've done
[1:21:25] Speaker 2: us proud to come this far one hundred, two hundred
[1:21:30] Speaker 2: years to where we are. And every time I said
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: that one of the people running for us was first
[1:21:34] Speaker 2: a strange was a real character. It's a super beautiful
[1:21:37] Speaker 2: and real character. Said you know, you know I'd sing
[1:21:41] Speaker 2: the song in a pub. You know. She bashed the
[1:21:42] Speaker 2: hell out of me. Start screwing a little skinny thing,
[1:21:46] Speaker 2: she said, bullshit, fifty thousand.
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: Years trumped trumped.
[1:21:52] Speaker 2: Well, well, yeah, anyway, but I'm definitely shutting up on
[1:21:58] Speaker 2: this note. The inner the story in for the forty
[1:22:01] Speaker 2: ninth Battalion with Warren Borne either Warren and in Vietnam
[1:22:07] Speaker 2: and the war in the Rack, the First War in
[1:22:10] Speaker 2: the Rock and anyway, I was the inner, the storian
[1:22:15] Speaker 2: for the forty ninth Battalion, and uh, I went absolutely Colonel,
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: I said, look, we covered ourselves in glory in the
[1:22:20] Speaker 2: first allard Second World War. Of course, so good. This
[1:22:23] Speaker 2: is only seven y years after the ward ended, you know.
[1:22:26] Speaker 2: And he said, what do you want to do? What
[1:22:28] Speaker 2: I'm going it got in to the rsel and ask
[1:22:31] Speaker 2: her in and get the true story. Well we might
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: have been a fullback battalion. But then again we mightn't
[1:22:36] Speaker 2: have been. He said, you are cut of it down
[1:22:39] Speaker 2: they meshing, then walla, not anyway you did in the eye.
[1:22:45] Speaker 2: Zillion has a bet one hundred people at in anything
[1:22:48] Speaker 2: bit the forty ninth in the war, and like yell
[1:22:51] Speaker 2: said yeah, Mike, come down in. He said forty ninth
[1:22:55] Speaker 2: I said, yeah, yeah, I'm the inn of the story.
[1:22:57] Speaker 2: And for the forty ninth, I'm I'm certain. Come it's
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: forty ninths. He said, fortyninths. He said, Mike, they were
[1:23:05] Speaker 2: the worst hit of war. When they were relieved San
[1:23:08] Speaker 2: Fernando at the bottom of the Kakoda track, he said,
[1:23:12] Speaker 2: they're only twenty eight of them able to walk out
[1:23:15] Speaker 2: and assisted. I said, twenty eight. At Fort Moresby, seven
[1:23:22] Speaker 2: hundred and eighty three men left Fort Moresby twenty eight.
[1:23:26] Speaker 2: He said, twenty eight and their average odge was eighteen,
[1:23:30] Speaker 2: more than half from seven, eight or six. That's my country,
[1:23:37] Speaker 2: Bob Ketter, what the great read finished, Thanks very much
[1:23:40] Speaker 2: riding appreciate it.

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