# Episode 544 | Notorious Diapers + Kai Cash & Lake

An episode of [New Rory & MAL](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1572182022), 11 Sep 2026, 1 h 44 min.

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Happy Friday! The guys start by reacting to Daejon Love’s arrest video, where he is still dawning 49ers’ gear, before getting into the greatest scammer of all time, Elizabeth Holmes, and her new documentary by A24. “Entourage” director, Doug Ellin fires at Jake Paul, after Paul’s company wrote a new script of the show for a commercial, which leads to a debate over intellectual property, and remaking things that aren't yours. Aries Spears faces backlash over his comments about comedy legends, and Raven Simone questions the “blackness” of “That’s So Raven”. Generation Now CEO, Lake, and Kai Cash (who most notably took on the West Coast along with Joey Bada$$) stop by to kick it, and share their thoughts on Complex’s Top 100 Hottest Rappers Alive list, the state of hip hop, and Kai’s father being in Junior M.A.F.I.A., before discussing what’s next for both of them! Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-forever Go to https://baskandlatherco.com. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:35] Speaker 1: Um did you guys see that tmz just posted a
[0:37] Speaker 1: dajon love arrest video no i didn't like an.
[0:41] Speaker 2: Hour ago free to god man free to love.
[0:45] Speaker 1: Fam he's in love is free he's in the san
[0:48] Speaker 1: francisco 49ers fit when he got arrested and it looks
[0:52] Speaker 1: like some type of airport right with with with his
[0:57] Speaker 1: ryan uh What's wrong with wearing 49ers gear though?
[1:01] Speaker 3: Nothing.
[1:01] Speaker 4: He's a fan.
[1:02] Speaker 1: Well, clearly we have 10,000 hours of tape that says otherwise.
[1:07] Speaker 2: He's not just a fan.
[1:07] Speaker 1: He's a player.
[1:09] Speaker 2: I mean.
[1:10] Speaker 1: That's commitment to the bit. You get arrested in the
[1:13] Speaker 1: 49ers gear because you know the helmet was in the backseat.
[1:16] Speaker 2: For sure. Passenger seat. He's on his way to practice, man.
[1:21] Speaker 2: I know we've talked about this. You gotta carry your
[1:22] Speaker 2: own equipment when you play in the NFL.
[1:24] Speaker 1: So we don't have to stay on this at all,
[1:25] Speaker 1: but I think he's going to be fine. If he
[1:30] Speaker 1: leans into this shit, he'll probably do a couple months.
[1:32] Speaker 1: It's just wire fraud.
[1:33] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:34] Speaker 2: A couple months, come home, do a podcast.
[1:37] Speaker 1: If he leans into this shit, he could be a
[1:39] Speaker 1: star for a year. Yeah.
[1:41] Speaker 4: Why not?
[1:42] Speaker 1: He could extend that 15 minutes of fame.
[1:43] Speaker 2: He didn't harm anybody. Did he really harm anybody? What
[1:46] Speaker 2: harm was that? $ 1.
[1:47] Speaker 1: 5 million in thievery?
[1:49] Speaker 2: I mean, you spread it out. It's not one person.
[1:51] Speaker 2: It's spread out among, you know.
[1:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, government ways.
[1:53] Speaker 2: It's just gross. That was his gross. You think he
[1:56] Speaker 2: paid taxes? It wasn't his net.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Does he strike you as someone that paid taxes?
[2:01] Speaker 2: Free to love, man. Nah. Why you don't like him?
[2:05] Speaker 5: It's just corny. Like, even getting arrested in a gear,
[2:08] Speaker 5: it's just corny. Like, he's starting to give me that
[2:10] Speaker 5: type of cringe. I'm not saying what he did is cool.
[2:14] Speaker 1: He's a corny thief.
[2:16] Speaker 5: Him and they have, they both give me the ick.
[2:18] Speaker 5: Make me itch. I hate it.
[2:19] Speaker 1: No, he's a corny thief, 100%. But it is funny.
[2:22] Speaker 6: Yeah, but y'all... We just spent all summer asking where
[2:28] Speaker 6: the scamming ass niggas at.
[2:30] Speaker 2: Love the record. Here he go.
[2:33] Speaker 6: He right here at the airport with his with his
[2:35] Speaker 6: with his scam outfit on.
[2:37] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[2:39] Speaker 2: Like now we like now we don't like that.
[2:40] Speaker 1: No, he's in his Batman cape.
[2:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in his uniform. That's his uniform. That's just
[2:45] Speaker 2: part of his thing. His bit. Am I saying it's cool? No,
[2:48] Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's cool.
[2:49] Speaker 6: But I'm saying we can't be screaming where my scamming
[2:52] Speaker 6: niggas at all summer. And then when the scamming nigga
[2:55] Speaker 6: get caught, we be like, nah, he a clown.
[2:57] Speaker 5: But see, it's a different type of scammer. Because you see,
[2:58] Speaker 5: this is when we were talking about- There's no honor
[3:01] Speaker 5: amongst thieves. No, when we were breaking down lyrics yesterday. Remember,
[3:04] Speaker 5: we were breaking down bad lyrics. And you kept saying,
[3:06] Speaker 5: what's the lyric that come after that? Because where are
[3:09] Speaker 5: my scamming ass niggas at? Spending that money fast. Okay.
[3:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, he was spending it.
[3:15] Speaker 5: On women, no. You're supposed to be spending it on women. No,
[3:17] Speaker 5: you don't take money from women to spend on yourself.
[3:21] Speaker 5: You're supposed to take money from large corporations to spend
[3:23] Speaker 5: on women.
[3:24] Speaker 2: He probably had women that he was dating that he
[3:26] Speaker 2: was spending some of that money on. We don't know
[3:27] Speaker 2: that yet. He was teaching them financial literacy. Did you
[3:31] Speaker 2: not hear the video? I'm pretty sure he's a heterosexual.
[3:33] Speaker 2: He seems to be a heterosexual male. Which means he
[3:36] Speaker 2: dates women.
[3:37] Speaker 6: So some of that money that he was getting from women,
[3:40] Speaker 6: because we see men do this all the time.
[3:41] Speaker 1: He had a little Asian boy that was underage. I
[3:44] Speaker 1: don't know if he was heterosexual.
[3:46] Speaker 2: What do you mean he had an Asian boy? His
[3:48] Speaker 2: manager was a 14-year-old little Asian boy. So what does
[3:52] Speaker 2: that mean? No, if you go to when they started scamming,
[3:55] Speaker 2: he was 14 years old. So what does that mean?
[3:57] Speaker 5: Rory putting pedophilia on people. He took it too far.
[4:00] Speaker 1: To me, that's a little DC sniper shit that he had.
[4:03] Speaker 4: Going on there.
[4:03] Speaker 2: All right, now you tripping. But anyway, free to love, man.
[4:07] Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say, man.
[4:08] Speaker 6: We can't say where the scamming niggas at and the
[4:10] Speaker 6: scamming nigga get caught and be like, nah, he whacked
[4:12] Speaker 6: because he wasn't giving money to women because he was
[4:15] Speaker 6: taking money. He was spending money on some women. He
[4:17] Speaker 6: went to a strip club here and there. We're going
[4:19] Speaker 6: to see some videos pop up of him throwing some
[4:21] Speaker 6: singles in the strip club.
[4:24] Speaker 1: I doubt it because even some of the stuff he
[4:25] Speaker 1: had that wasn't fake and even the leases that he
[4:27] Speaker 1: wasn't paying back on cars... 1.5 million can only get
[4:32] Speaker 1: you so far over that many years. I don't think
[4:34] Speaker 1: he was spending a dollar on anything else but keeping
[4:37] Speaker 1: up this lie. I think that investment went into the lie.
[4:40] Speaker 2: You don't think he had no fun with that money?
[4:42] Speaker 7: No.
[4:42] Speaker 1: Well, no, he had fun to rent a car until
[4:45] Speaker 1: it got seized. Like, until the people... Because they... Even
[4:49] Speaker 1: certain car companies that weren't in on the bit were like, yeah,
[4:53] Speaker 1: he'd pay us the upfront and then stop talking to
[4:55] Speaker 1: us and we'd have to go get the car back.
[4:57] Speaker 8: So, yeah, he was just.
[5:00] Speaker 1: Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
[5:01] Speaker 6: So scamming is only OK if the man is spending
[5:03] Speaker 6: the money on women.
[5:05] Speaker 5: Scamming is only OK if you're not stealing from women
[5:09] Speaker 5: and telling them you're going to invest your money. Steal
[5:11] Speaker 5: from large corporations. That's the same thing with India Irie.
[5:14] Speaker 5: India Irie was like, why are we glorifying scamming? And
[5:16] Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, like, why are we like take from
[5:19] Speaker 5: the corporations? They have it. They're using slave labor anyway.
[5:23] Speaker 5: If you want to steal from the corporations, steal from
[5:24] Speaker 5: the corporations. As long as you aren't hurting your people,
[5:27] Speaker 5: the everyday people, you're fine.
[5:28] Speaker 1: And they get bailed out with insurance money.
[5:30] Speaker 2: But is there any blame on the women, though? Yeah.
[5:33] Speaker 2: For being that just... Gullible? Yeah, sure.
[5:36] Speaker 5: But just because people are gullible or slow doesn't... No
[5:38] Speaker 5: situational awareness? Just because people are gullible or slow does
[5:41] Speaker 5: not mean you should take advantage of them.
[5:43] Speaker 2: No, I agree with that.
[5:44] Speaker 6: But I'm just saying, at some point, you got to
[5:45] Speaker 6: be like, yo, but you really thought because this nigga
[5:48] Speaker 6: had a helmet on at the beach, he played for
[5:50] Speaker 6: the 49ers?
[5:51] Speaker 5: Yeah, well, some people don't have as much access to
[5:55] Speaker 5: certain information or experiences.
[5:57] Speaker 2: Certain information?
[5:58] Speaker 5: Information or access, yeah.
[5:59] Speaker 2: Common sense?
[6:01] Speaker 5: Common sense isn't always so common, but you know that.
[6:05] Speaker 8: Google was like telling people he played.
[6:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, if you Googled him, it said that he played
[6:09] Speaker 5: for the 49ers. So AI will pull from.
[6:17] Speaker 2: Social media sites. Okay, so we back to common sense
[6:18] Speaker 2: is what you're saying.
[6:20] Speaker 5: But how is that common sense? I don't think that
[6:23] Speaker 5: that's common sense for everybody. Asking Grok if a dude plays-
[6:26] Speaker 5: They didn't ask Grok. They went and typed into Google.
[6:29] Speaker 5: Google now automatically does AI for you, even if you
[6:32] Speaker 5: don't ask for AI. Google does automatic AI for you.
[6:34] Speaker 1: It's the first thing it does, which is kind of annoying.
[6:36] Speaker 2: Yes.
[6:36] Speaker 5: So if you go and type some shit into Google,
[6:39] Speaker 5: it looks like, yeah, I Googled this. Google is saying
[6:41] Speaker 5: he plays for the 49ers.
[6:45] Speaker 2: That was his real criminal. He really got that off.
[6:49] Speaker 5: But I mean- Not everybody knows enough to know that
[6:53] Speaker 5: when you Google some shit, like, it's coming from AI.
[6:56] Speaker 5: A lot of people don't even know that, that that's AI.
[6:58] Speaker 1: That was the scheme. He knew if you fell for
[7:01] Speaker 1: me walking around the regular streets with a helmet, then
[7:05] Speaker 1: I can scam you.
[7:06] Speaker 5: Now it's changed because of everything that's been happening. But before,
[7:09] Speaker 5: when you Googled him, he came up as if he
[7:11] Speaker 5: played for the 49ers.
[7:11] Speaker 1: And we talked about all this, but just that arrest
[7:14] Speaker 1: video wasn't out until today. And that shit is just funny.
[7:17] Speaker 1: Getting arrested, like, in the uniform... It's kind of poetic. Like,
[7:23] Speaker 1: it's kind of a beautiful ending to the Netflix series.
[7:26] Speaker 5: Yo, I know the news. Whatever jailhouse they took him to,
[7:29] Speaker 5: whatever holding cell he in. If he gets four to nine,
[7:32] Speaker 5: imagine that. There's so much poetic justice.
[7:35] Speaker 1: In all of this.
[7:35] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[7:37] Speaker 1: He's going to be fine, though.
[7:39] Speaker 2: He's going to be more than fine. A little scam.
[7:44] Speaker 2: It's all right.
[7:47] Speaker 1: Y'all just showed me that creepy ass documentary trailer. I mean,
[7:50] Speaker 1: she was at a different level.
[7:53] Speaker 5: I cannot wait for that Elizabeth Holmes documentary.
[7:56] Speaker 2: Who's Elizabeth Holmes?
[7:58] Speaker 5: Elizabeth Holmes is the founder of Theranos.
[8:01] Speaker 1: Goat scammer.
[8:02] Speaker 4: Theranos.
[8:03] Speaker 5: Which was supposed to be a medical device that could,
[8:06] Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, figure out what was wrong with
[8:09] Speaker 5: you or what ailment you had health wise by just
[8:11] Speaker 5: like a tiny prick of blood.
[8:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[8:13] Speaker 1: So essentially like what takes years of blood work, kind
[8:16] Speaker 1: of what I'm going to like through with hematology and
[8:19] Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's wrong with me. She would
[8:21] Speaker 1: just get this much amount of blood and she set
[8:23] Speaker 1: up damn near a vending machine. Like you get your
[8:26] Speaker 1: finger pricked at a vending machine and then it'll shoot
[8:28] Speaker 1: back years of science and tell you exactly what is wrong.
[8:32] Speaker 1: And she had every billionaire from San Francisco, London, everywhere
[8:37] Speaker 1: coming to this headquarters that wasn't real. And they did
[8:42] Speaker 1: the fake prick at the vending machine. And then she
[8:45] Speaker 1: would do this tour of the whole campus so the
[8:48] Speaker 1: actual scientists could do the real thing to analyze the blood.
[8:54] Speaker 2: And she did the okey-doke to a bunch of billionaires.
[8:56] Speaker 1: They're going on an hour tour while scientists are doing
[8:58] Speaker 1: what we already know. And they come back and be like, oh,
[9:01] Speaker 1: your results are here, by the way. And she made
[9:04] Speaker 1: like $ 5 billion.
[9:05] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[9:06] Speaker 2: $ 5 billion?
[9:07] Speaker 1: More.
[9:07] Speaker 5: $ 9 billion. $ 9 billion.
[9:09] Speaker 2: She made $ 9 billion doing this? She got them to
[9:12] Speaker 2: invest $ 9 billion. It wasn't liquid $ 9 billion in her pocket.
[9:16] Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
[9:16] Speaker 2: I'm about to be like, what?
[9:17] Speaker 5: She got them to invest over $ 9 billion.
[9:19] Speaker 6: Getting caught after the $ 9 billion. You should have cashed
[9:21] Speaker 6: out at $ 1 billion. So she raised over $ 700 million.
[9:23] Speaker 5: Her company was valued at $ 9 to $ 10 billion. That's
[9:30] Speaker 5: even though the technology did not work. He's in jail
[9:33] Speaker 5: right now.
[9:33] Speaker 1: I mean, I think about the biggest investors that we
[9:36] Speaker 1: even know now. They were all in on this, too.
[9:39] Speaker 2: They all gave her money.
[9:40] Speaker 1: Every big name, you know, about gave her money like
[9:42] Speaker 1: she tricked everybody. So she should be the one negotiating
[9:47] Speaker 1: with Iran right now. This bitch is the goat.
[9:49] Speaker 2: So she's in she's in jail. Correct.
[9:51] Speaker 5: Yes, she's in jail.
[9:52] Speaker 7: Ow.
[9:53] Speaker 5: She's in jail right now. Sorry, I hit my elbow
[9:56] Speaker 5: on the mic stand. She's in jail right now, but
[9:58] Speaker 5: before she went to jail, she gave a director the
[10:02] Speaker 5: chance to... Can you pull up the actual trailer, baby?
[10:04] Speaker 5: The one that moves. Oh, there it is. She told
[10:08] Speaker 5: a director, allowed a director 35 days before she went
[10:11] Speaker 5: to jail to follow her around. So this clip is
[10:14] Speaker 5: going viral. It's a clip from the trailer.
[10:18] Speaker 1: From the top.
[10:21] Speaker 7: There's no... I'm not that person. I can promise you that.
[10:25] Speaker 1: This is real, Mo. This isn't like a movie.
[10:28] Speaker 7: I don't have anything to deceive you on. Of course
[10:30] Speaker 7: I'm not deceiving you. I'm engaging with you as a
[10:33] Speaker 7: human being. Why would I deceive you?
[10:40] Speaker 2: There's no.
[10:42] Speaker 7: There's no reason for me to do that. Okay. Okay.
[10:51] Speaker 1: All right.
[10:53] Speaker 4: Okay, good shot.
[10:59] Speaker 7: You're being real right now. Always being real.
[11:20] Speaker 2: But that isn't like someone impregnated her.
[11:23] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[11:23] Speaker 5: That isn't like a, like a actor. Like that is
[11:28] Speaker 5: the actual human being that was going to jail in
[11:30] Speaker 5: 35 days. That's the actual Elizabeth Holmes.
[11:33] Speaker 1: Now, did I see, did I see, did I see
[11:36] Speaker 1: a scripted series or a doc? I can't remember how
[11:38] Speaker 1: I know.
[11:39] Speaker 5: You saw a scripted series with, um, Amanda's, uh, C fried.
[11:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[11:44] Speaker 1: Which was a really good series. Is that Hulu or
[11:46] Speaker 1: some shit?
[11:47] Speaker 5: I think so.
[11:48] Speaker 1: It was, I mean, it was on Netflix.
[11:49] Speaker 2: Um, She looks fucking creepy.
[11:52] Speaker 5: Creepy as fuck.
[11:54] Speaker 1: She got over on the biggest investors on earth.
[11:57] Speaker 5: She believes her own lie. She believes her own lie.
[12:01] Speaker 5: Like that's how insane, that's what makes her so insane.
[12:04] Speaker 5: Because she will not stop with this lie. Like she's
[12:07] Speaker 5: in jail right now and she still won't stop with
[12:10] Speaker 5: the lie.
[12:10] Speaker 1: Look at this list more.
[12:12] Speaker 6: The Oppenheimer family, Robert Kraft, the Cox family, Rupert Murdoch,
[12:18] Speaker 6: the Walton family.
[12:20] Speaker 2: Carlos Slim.
[12:22] Speaker 7: Wow.
[12:23] Speaker 1: That's Iceberg Slim's uncle.
[12:27] Speaker 2: I mean, well. Listen, man. Salute to the scam. Fake
[12:33] Speaker 2: it until you make it.
[12:34] Speaker 1: I think, I mean, of course, D-Love is up there, but.
[12:39] Speaker 2: Nah, D-Love ain't on this level, though.
[12:41] Speaker 3: Her, all right.
[12:42] Speaker 1: Compared to, what was the other girl?
[12:44] Speaker 5: Invincing Anna.
[12:46] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[12:47] Speaker 1: She didn't get to this level, like, liquid cash but
[12:51] Speaker 1: anna was up there the fact that anna had um
[12:54] Speaker 1: old boy from fire fest sleeping on her couch is
[12:58] Speaker 1: like the avengers living in the same apartment like that's
[13:00] Speaker 1: so crazy that that really happened like you had that
[13:03] Speaker 1: fire fest guy living on your couch that's like wu-tang
[13:07] Speaker 1: like damn that's crazy that ghost and and ray like
[13:10] Speaker 1: really like live together as kids and did this like
[13:13] Speaker 1: they're scammer avengers the.
[13:14] Speaker 2: One that was uh traveling the world and saying she was.
[13:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like a royal family. I forgot.
[13:20] Speaker 5: She was a German heiress.
[13:22] Speaker 1: That's what it was, yeah.
[13:24] Speaker 2: But hers was more like... She lives down. She lives
[13:26] Speaker 2: not too far from here.
[13:29] Speaker 1: I respected the Elizabeth chick a little bit more because
[13:31] Speaker 1: Anna did it for clout.
[13:33] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[13:34] Speaker 1: Anna did it to hang at Soul House on steroids.
[13:37] Speaker 1: She didn't pocket $ 9.
[13:39] Speaker 2: Billion from it.
[13:40] Speaker 6: No, with Shorty having a company valued at $ 9 billion
[13:44] Speaker 6: and it's not even a real company, that's... There's nobody
[13:48] Speaker 6: on that list.
[13:48] Speaker 5: Well, it technically was a real company. The technology just
[13:51] Speaker 5: didn't work. Like, she really had employees.
[13:53] Speaker 2: Okay, she had an LLC. Okay.
[13:54] Speaker 5: No, she really had a full functioning company.
[13:57] Speaker 1: It was a small corporation.
[13:58] Speaker 5: The technology just didn't work. She had a full functioning company, lab,
[14:01] Speaker 5: all of that shit. The technology just didn't work. It
[14:05] Speaker 5: wasn't like some fake, like, oh, yeah, you know, this
[14:07] Speaker 5: ain't real. I'm renting this office space. Like, nah, she
[14:10] Speaker 5: had a whole thing. It's just the technology.
[14:12] Speaker 2: How long was she sentenced to?
[14:14] Speaker 5: Ten years.
[14:16] Speaker 2: Some of that money stashed somewhere, that was worth it.
[14:19] Speaker 1: No, because a lot of evaluation money isn't real liquid.
[14:22] Speaker 2: It's not liquid.
[14:24] Speaker 1: But also, Damaris, I think the debate with her is
[14:29] Speaker 1: when she found out very early that that technology was
[14:32] Speaker 1: not equipped at the schedule that she was trying to
[14:36] Speaker 1: do it at. And then she moved forward like it was.
[14:39] Speaker 5: Yeah, like it was working.
[14:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[14:40] Speaker 1: I'm not saying she didn't start out thinking, Hey, let's
[14:42] Speaker 1: try to change the world and do something good. But
[14:45] Speaker 1: she found out very quickly that that wasn't happening in
[14:47] Speaker 1: the timeframe that she thought.
[14:48] Speaker 5: But also a lot of the money that she took,
[14:51] Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, was used into trying to make
[14:54] Speaker 5: it work. She was literally trying.
[14:55] Speaker 2: She tried.
[14:57] Speaker 1: But nah, she went nuts. That tour was one of
[15:01] Speaker 1: the funniest things I've ever heard about. Having the Murdochs
[15:05] Speaker 1: just tour your campus. While they're analyzing blood the same
[15:10] Speaker 1: way that we all know how people analyze blood just
[15:12] Speaker 1: to throw you off. And nobody out of some of
[15:16] Speaker 1: the most, well, let me say the most brilliant minds,
[15:18] Speaker 1: some of the most conniving minds on earth. No one said,
[15:22] Speaker 1: I thought I could get it right away. No, everyone
[15:25] Speaker 1: pricked their fingers. Like let's go see the cafeteria.
[15:29] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[15:29] Speaker 1: I want to see my, my results. I just gave
[15:33] Speaker 1: you 20 million, but yeah. I mean, do you think
[15:39] Speaker 1: do you think A.I. is going to take away from
[15:41] Speaker 1: people like this? Do you like do we think, well,
[15:45] Speaker 1: unless we're already on the scamming level of being in
[15:48] Speaker 1: the one percent, do you think the way certain people
[15:52] Speaker 1: did with Palo Alto and the tech boom that did
[15:55] Speaker 1: get their scammer shit off can now do it with A.I.
[15:59] Speaker 2: I feel like your car to get pulled too quick.
[16:02] Speaker 5: To an extent, A.I. helped Dajon.
[16:05] Speaker 1: That's to me, that's, that's like peanuts. I'm not, I'm
[16:08] Speaker 1: talking about on Elizabeth level, not, not on some, I'm
[16:11] Speaker 1: trying to.
[16:11] Speaker 5: Get $ 10 from Instagram. Well, with this that was going on,
[16:15] Speaker 5: how would AI have helped have, have turned in like
[16:18] Speaker 5: turned her?
[16:19] Speaker 1: Um, I think with the amount of money that that
[16:22] Speaker 1: list has put into AI, that's an easy check where
[16:26] Speaker 1: AI would have figured that out before Elizabeth did.
[16:28] Speaker 5: What do you mean?
[16:29] Speaker 1: The amount of doctors now that are saying that, Hey,
[16:32] Speaker 1: AI is going to put us out of, out of business. Um, is,
[16:36] Speaker 1: I mean, kind of astronomical. The amount of doctors that
[16:38] Speaker 1: talk about AI in the health fields and what it's
[16:40] Speaker 1: doing right now, like the amount of stuff that doctors
[16:43] Speaker 1: spent 20 years learning about to get their doctorate AI,
[16:48] Speaker 1: you ask one question and it'll give you the entire results.
[16:50] Speaker 1: But I'm saying that times 10 with where AI is at.
[16:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[16:56] Speaker 1: This, this is something they would have asked AI about
[17:00] Speaker 1: not Elizabeth.
[17:01] Speaker 5: Yeah, but the thing about AI is AI can only
[17:04] Speaker 5: be taught what already exists. If you're creating something, AI
[17:08] Speaker 5: won't know that. AI can't talk about that because if
[17:11] Speaker 5: you're creating technology, AI doesn't know that that technology exists.
[17:14] Speaker 5: So it can't say, well, this is impossible. Because as
[17:18] Speaker 5: time goes on, things will continue to be invented that
[17:20] Speaker 5: we will have to teach AI about.
[17:22] Speaker 1: This is not a conspiracy or a movie trailer. AI
[17:24] Speaker 1: is teaching itself just as much as we are teaching it.
[17:27] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[17:28] Speaker 5: Yes, but AI will never replace human imagination. It can't
[17:34] Speaker 5: replace human imagination.
[17:36] Speaker 6: Did somebody just come out and say AI is going
[17:38] Speaker 6: to wipe out humanity?
[17:42] Speaker 5: Yes.
[17:43] Speaker 4: A doctor.
[17:44] Speaker 5: He wasn't a doctor. He was a tech guy from
[17:47] Speaker 5: one of the major AI companies.
[17:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that.
[17:50] Speaker 1: That shit is up like 100 million views right now.
[17:53] Speaker 2: So Terminator is happening.
[17:54] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[17:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I'm saying that Elizabeth couldn't get
[17:57] Speaker 1: this off in this era because.
[17:58] Speaker 2: AI is too smart.
[17:59] Speaker 6: And y'all shouldn't be worried about Dajon Love and Terminator's
[18:01] Speaker 6: happening as we speak. Project Bluebeam is happening.
[18:07] Speaker 2: iRobot, AI is teaching itself.
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[20:02] Speaker 1: have on our list of topics today? Oh, do you
[20:06] Speaker 1: guys want to get into this Entourage shit?
[20:09] Speaker 2: What about it? um i brought up this was yeah okay.
[20:12] Speaker 1: Last episode um ari gold and vince chase did a
[20:18] Speaker 1: jake paul betting commercial more or less and i was
[20:21] Speaker 1: like that that writing is kind of shitty i just
[20:24] Speaker 1: didn't particularly care for it as an entourage fan and
[20:27] Speaker 1: i said yeah i really would have preferred if doug
[20:29] Speaker 1: ellen wrote it because you could tell that it's not
[20:32] Speaker 1: it's not ari even though it's jeremy pivot acting like
[20:34] Speaker 1: ari the dialogue is just not there so he came
[20:38] Speaker 1: out um today and said, Doug Ellen, who's the creator
[20:42] Speaker 1: of Entourage, he said it was a God awful, cheap,
[20:46] Speaker 1: shitty imitation. Many people work really hard to make our
[20:49] Speaker 1: show as good as it was. When I see a cheap,
[20:52] Speaker 1: shitty imitation that tries to pass for what we did,
[20:54] Speaker 1: it makes me puke. I watch it and I want
[20:56] Speaker 1: to throw up because I would suffer along with many
[20:59] Speaker 1: people over every syllable, every fucking word. So I watch
[21:03] Speaker 1: this trash, this shit and go, ugh, there's no bitterness.
[21:06] Speaker 1: I want everyone to get paid, get rich, just fucking
[21:09] Speaker 1: do it. with your own shit.
[21:10] Speaker 2: That's all.
[21:11] Speaker 1: I not only wrote, we found these people, we cast
[21:14] Speaker 1: these people. I actually had to beg Jeremy Piven to
[21:17] Speaker 1: do the show because he didn't want to do it.
[21:19] Speaker 1: He didn't even want to talk about it afterwards. He
[21:21] Speaker 1: wanted to get away from it because he had so
[21:24] Speaker 1: much better shit going on. But now that he's back,
[21:27] Speaker 1: now he's back on it because he's getting paid. Now,
[21:29] Speaker 1: I don't particularly care to talk about entourage like that
[21:32] Speaker 1: because that's a niche audience. But I feel Doug Ellen
[21:36] Speaker 1: with this with A lot of TV. I remember when
[21:42] Speaker 1: Ashley Larry ended up on Avion Crockett's show. And I
[21:46] Speaker 1: remember Neil Brennan and Donna Rawlings have like a fallout
[21:49] Speaker 1: of that. Like, that's my IP. That's my character. You
[21:53] Speaker 1: can't just go out and do that with someone else
[21:56] Speaker 1: writing a character that I created. I understand it. And again,
[22:01] Speaker 1: as an Entourage fan, it came across cheap. And that's
[22:04] Speaker 1: no disrespect to the Paul Rudd. Like, get your money.
[22:07] Speaker 1: I don't care. But that is a show that was
[22:09] Speaker 1: iconic to so many people. And to me, Ari Gold
[22:12] Speaker 1: is one of the greatest TV characters ever. You can't
[22:14] Speaker 1: just have some gambling sites writers write Ari Gold. Like,
[22:21] Speaker 1: you love Game of Thrones. Think of characters where that
[22:26] Speaker 1: core writing team doesn't write for that character and now
[22:30] Speaker 1: they're in a commercial just just doing.
[22:32] Speaker 5: Shit yeah and it feels very inauthentic and as a
[22:35] Speaker 5: fan like you were tripping out yesterday you were really
[22:38] Speaker 5: upset and we were telling you you were nerding out
[22:39] Speaker 5: and teasing you but i can completely understand like especially
[22:42] Speaker 5: if you haven't seen a character in years when they
[22:44] Speaker 5: come back you're so excited and it's like this ain't
[22:46] Speaker 5: the character like this is a caricature yeah of the
[22:49] Speaker 5: character in person that i love because.
[22:51] Speaker 1: I remember like when sopranos was popping i remember like
[22:56] Speaker 1: Paulie Walnuts would do like Super Bowl commercials but they
[22:59] Speaker 1: would always just do the Italian shit where the guys
[23:01] Speaker 1: would just stand there and just look Italian like it
[23:04] Speaker 1: wouldn't be they tried to make Ari and Vince like
[23:07] Speaker 1: we were watching an episode and it was bad it
[23:10] Speaker 1: was just bad it was nasty yeah.
[23:13] Speaker 5: Yeah I don't blame I don't blame the writer um
[23:15] Speaker 5: as a person who's obviously never written anything to that
[23:18] Speaker 5: extent but who has written and written characters and I
[23:21] Speaker 5: would want them to act the way that I would
[23:23] Speaker 5: want to be in charge if they're writing until the
[23:24] Speaker 5: day I die don't take my shit it's the same
[23:26] Speaker 5: thing as like if I die and you take my
[23:28] Speaker 5: picture and put clouds behind it like don't go do
[23:30] Speaker 5: shit I wouldn't have proved of if I was alive
[23:32] Speaker 5: like they could have called him maybe he would have.
[23:34] Speaker 1: Agreed to it well here's also the thing with Entourage
[23:38] Speaker 1: specifically but to the broader point that we're making Entourage
[23:42] Speaker 1: was kind of buried with the HBO Max and HBO
[23:45] Speaker 1: Go thing because when max and go like really hit
[23:51] Speaker 1: streaming it was at the height of me too woke
[23:57] Speaker 1: gotcha on everything and entourage no there's nothing bad in
[24:02] Speaker 1: entourage but at that height like if you out of
[24:04] Speaker 1: context some of their jokes wouldn't have flown in this
[24:08] Speaker 1: era so doug ellen E from Entourage and Drama from
[24:13] Speaker 1: Entourage have a huge podcast called Victory about the show.
[24:18] Speaker 1: Like they break down each episode. They've had Jeremy Piven.
[24:20] Speaker 1: They've had everyone on the show. It's an incredible podcast.
[24:24] Speaker 1: And they get so many numbers to the point that
[24:26] Speaker 1: HBO has considered maybe a reboot because people, they're starting
[24:30] Speaker 1: to realize how many people love Entourage. It was purposely buried.
[24:36] Speaker 1: And then they did the movie with HBO that was
[24:39] Speaker 1: also a nightmare. And I only know this because I
[24:40] Speaker 1: listened to their podcast. So now imagine you're battling with
[24:45] Speaker 1: HBO and yes, you created these characters, but you don't
[24:47] Speaker 1: own the IP. HBO technically does. And then you watch
[24:51] Speaker 1: somebody you've been battling with after you gave them a movie.
[24:54] Speaker 1: They won't do a reboot even though, and they're burying
[24:56] Speaker 1: your show. And to find Entourage on go is very hard.
[25:00] Speaker 1: You have to type in the entire name to find it.
[25:04] Speaker 2: That happens.
[25:05] Speaker 1: And then you see HBO sell those characters to Jake
[25:07] Speaker 1: Paul and them. and have someone else write it, I'd
[25:10] Speaker 1: lose my fucking mind.
[25:10] Speaker 5: I would be frustrated.
[25:11] Speaker 1: It's the same thing Chappelle did when he said, yo,
[25:15] Speaker 1: boycott HBO when they tried to stream Chappelle's show. And
[25:19] Speaker 1: he said, I have a deal with Netflix. And he
[25:20] Speaker 1: said the CEO of Netflix at the time that he
[25:23] Speaker 1: loved him so much because Netflix was streaming it and
[25:26] Speaker 1: they took it down. They said, Chappelle's not cool with this.
[25:31] Speaker 1: We have a deal with him. I'm taking Chappelle's show
[25:33] Speaker 1: off Netflix. It will no longer stream. Even though Chappelle
[25:38] Speaker 1: signed a shitty deal, admittedly, and Comedy Central could do
[25:41] Speaker 1: whatever the fuck they want with that show. Netflix was
[25:44] Speaker 1: ill enough to be like, no. No fucking way are
[25:46] Speaker 1: we going to stream this when we work with Chappelle
[25:48] Speaker 1: and he doesn't like this.
[25:49] Speaker 5: I didn't know that. That's interesting.
[25:51] Speaker 7: Yeah. I didn't know that.
[25:53] Speaker 5: That's integrity. Shout out to Netflix, yo. Shout out to
[25:56] Speaker 5: the gang.
[25:57] Speaker 1: It's not the redemption clip. It's on YouTube, though. Chappelle
[26:01] Speaker 1: did a whole sit down about the entire thing when
[26:05] Speaker 1: HBO started streaming it. Gave the whole The whole history
[26:09] Speaker 1: of when he brought Chappelle's show to HBO and they said,
[26:12] Speaker 1: why would we need you? We have Chris Rock.
[26:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[26:15] Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, well, fuck you too. And
[26:19] Speaker 1: he said, now why do you need me? Now why
[26:21] Speaker 1: are you streaming my show that you turned down? You
[26:24] Speaker 1: didn't want my show. And then Netflix also had a
[26:28] Speaker 1: bid to get it and started streaming it the same day.
[26:31] Speaker 1: And they took it down because Chappelle was like, this
[26:33] Speaker 1: makes me feel uncomfortable. Yes, you have every legal right
[26:35] Speaker 1: to do it. But why do it if we're in business?
[26:38] Speaker 1: And I feel like Doug Ellen didn't say that here,
[26:40] Speaker 1: but I hear him. If y'all trying to figure out
[26:42] Speaker 1: some type of reboot with Entourage, why are you selling
[26:46] Speaker 1: out the characters?
[26:47] Speaker 2: Me, just me.
[26:49] Speaker 1: No one else created.
[26:50] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[26:51] Speaker 2: To do a shitty Jake Paul ad.
[26:53] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[26:53] Speaker 2: I'd feel a fucking way. Sorry if I.
[26:55] Speaker 1: Ranted for this whole time.
[26:57] Speaker 2: I mean, you're definitely ranted.
[26:58] Speaker 5: You're an Entourage fan, so it's okay. I get it.
[27:01] Speaker 5: I get like that about Harry Potter.
[27:03] Speaker 1: Well, it's not so much Entourage, more just, you.
[27:05] Speaker 5: Know, creators because yeah it's a part it comes across
[27:08] Speaker 5: inauthentic the same way that people complained about the last
[27:10] Speaker 5: two seasons of Game of Thrones and that's because the
[27:13] Speaker 5: writers had to write past the book and past the
[27:16] Speaker 5: books the books match the character arcs everything matched and
[27:19] Speaker 5: then you get separate writers for the last two seasons
[27:21] Speaker 5: everything goes to shit the characters don't seem the same
[27:24] Speaker 5: and it's because they have different writers so.
[27:27] Speaker 2: That makes sense yeah apologies.
[27:29] Speaker 5: If I read too much what do you think about
[27:30] Speaker 5: Aries Spears what he said about the comedians that were overrated.
[27:36] Speaker 1: Um, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Um,
[27:44] Speaker 1: but Aries Spears is going to run into some of
[27:47] Speaker 1: the things that I've run into when you're opinionated and
[27:52] Speaker 1: also have a past of doing the same things that
[27:54] Speaker 1: you're opinionated on. You can't call someone doing buffoonery and
[27:58] Speaker 1: you have 20 years of doing buffoonery.
[28:01] Speaker 7: Hmm.
[28:03] Speaker 2: And not only that, but go ahead. I'm sorry.
[28:05] Speaker 5: For people who don't know, Aries Spears was on a
[28:08] Speaker 5: podcast with a couple of other comedians.
[28:11] Speaker 2: This is Tony Rock's podcast.
[28:12] Speaker 5: Tony Rock's podcast. And they were talking about, you know,
[28:15] Speaker 5: if he had an unpopular opinion, if he thought any
[28:18] Speaker 5: comedians were overrated or whatever. And he brought up the
[28:21] Speaker 5: first one he brought up was Bernie Mac. He said
[28:23] Speaker 5: that he doesn't get the whole Bernie Mac thing. He
[28:25] Speaker 5: said he doesn't even get the jokes anymore. because of
[28:28] Speaker 5: the very um shuck and jive kind of the way
[28:33] Speaker 5: that bernie mack talks.
[28:33] Speaker 2: Well he didn't say shuck and jive he didn't say
[28:35] Speaker 2: shuck and.
[28:35] Speaker 5: Jive i don't want to but that's what he was
[28:37] Speaker 5: alluding to like it's very buffooner how you did it
[28:39] Speaker 5: shut up mom are you scared of you motherfuckers.
[28:42] Speaker 2: Yeah like that he was like.
[28:45] Speaker 1: That wasn't good i didn't do good.
[28:50] Speaker 2: I didn't do good.
[28:50] Speaker 5: It's funny as fuck.
[28:51] Speaker 3: I didn't do good?
[28:52] Speaker 2: No. Oh, my God.
[28:53] Speaker 5: But yeah, he was he said he can't even get
[28:55] Speaker 5: to the point of the jokes because he can't listen
[28:57] Speaker 5: to that voice. He feels the same way about Tracy Morgan.
[29:00] Speaker 5: He said he feels like Martin was overrated. Martin and
[29:04] Speaker 5: the Wayans brothers was overrated and that their sketch comedy
[29:07] Speaker 5: wasn't very good. And I kind of understand what he's
[29:11] Speaker 5: saying and what I'm realizing about the things that he's saying.
[29:14] Speaker 5: Not with Bernie Mac. He tripping with that. But with
[29:16] Speaker 5: the other people, as far as like the Martin show,
[29:18] Speaker 5: because I've said before that I thought Martin was a
[29:19] Speaker 5: little bit overrated, is that he also doesn't like slapstick humor.
[29:22] Speaker 5: And Martin had a lot of slapstick humor. And he
[29:25] Speaker 5: brought up a lot of the situations that Martin would
[29:27] Speaker 5: be in, like fighting the squirrel and shit like that,
[29:30] Speaker 5: where it's like, he's like, I don't find this funny.
[29:32] Speaker 5: All right.
[29:33] Speaker 1: My thing, to start with Bernie, I wouldn't say that
[29:36] Speaker 1: I'm like the biggest Bernie Mac standup fan, but- at 36,
[29:41] Speaker 1: the Bernie Mac show was like one of my favorite
[29:44] Speaker 1: shows growing up. Everything Bernie has done.
[29:48] Speaker 5: Bernie's funny.
[29:48] Speaker 1: Comedic acting is incredible. So to say like, I don't
[29:52] Speaker 1: understand the Bernie Mac, I guess maybe he was saying
[29:55] Speaker 1: standup cause he was imitating Bernie standup.
[29:58] Speaker 5: Well, that's how Bernie talks.
[29:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[30:00] Speaker 1: That's how Bernie talked. No, that's how he talked on
[30:02] Speaker 1: his stand-up.
[30:03] Speaker 5: No, he talked like that.
[30:05] Speaker 2: Listen Up America was very clear. He wasn't going.
[30:08] Speaker 1: It was an extremely articulate show.
[30:12] Speaker 2: He didn't sound like that in Mr.
[30:14] Speaker 7: 3000.
[30:14] Speaker 5: No, but he did sound like that in Players Club.
[30:16] Speaker 5: He sounded like that in Players Club.
[30:18] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, but that was the character. But Bernie is
[30:21] Speaker 1: very much not that... Yeah, I can see.
[30:24] Speaker 2: The only problem.
[30:24] Speaker 6: With this is the person saying it. Aries Spurs is
[30:27] Speaker 6: not the person to say this. If Dave Chappelle said this,
[30:29] Speaker 6: I don't think it would be as much. You have
[30:32] Speaker 6: to be at a certain level. Chappelle wouldn't say that.
[30:35] Speaker 6: I'm just saying, if Dave Chappelle was to say something
[30:37] Speaker 6: about legends, it wouldn't be taken.
[30:42] Speaker 2: As offensive or as kind of like, whoa.
[30:47] Speaker 6: It's just Aries Spears to most people is not on
[30:51] Speaker 6: the level of a Bernie Mac or a Martin Lawrence
[30:53] Speaker 6: to speak about them or speak down on them. Now,
[30:56] Speaker 6: Aries Spears can say whatever he wants. He can have
[30:58] Speaker 6: his opinion. I'm not, you know, anybody's entitled to their opinion.
[31:01] Speaker 6: But if Dave Chappelle was like, you know, honestly, you know,
[31:04] Speaker 6: I just didn't really, the Martin show, like to me,
[31:07] Speaker 6: wasn't really, I didn't really, wasn't really into it like that.
[31:11] Speaker 6: People would be like, oh shit, I didn't, I thought
[31:13] Speaker 6: Dave would fuck with that show. But the backlash wouldn't
[31:18] Speaker 6: be as, oh, that's fucked up. Because Dave Chappelle is
[31:21] Speaker 6: a legend in his own right.
[31:22] Speaker 2: He's a legend.
[31:23] Speaker 6: He's one of the greatest comedians ever. Aries Spears is
[31:27] Speaker 6: not on that level of Martin or Bernie Mac.
[31:31] Speaker 2: At least people feel that way about him.
[31:33] Speaker 1: I feel like Chappelle would still get some backlash there.
[31:35] Speaker 2: For sure.
[31:36] Speaker 1: Because I don't think you get without In Living Color
[31:40] Speaker 1: and even Martin. I think Tony Rock made a great
[31:42] Speaker 1: point about Martin.
[31:44] Speaker 2: It went from.
[31:44] Speaker 1: Sitcom and then sometimes it went into sketch. I don't
[31:47] Speaker 1: think you get to the Chappelle show without having those
[31:50] Speaker 1: steps like In Living Color and Martin.
[31:53] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[31:53] Speaker 1: To be able to push the envelope the way Chappelle did.
[31:56] Speaker 1: You have to have Martin before that. So I think
[31:59] Speaker 1: he'd still get flack, but I don't think Chappelle would
[32:01] Speaker 1: ever say that. And I like Eric Spears a lot.
[32:03] Speaker 1: I actually think he's an underrated comedian. And as someone
[32:07] Speaker 1: that liked Mad TV, I generally liked Mad TV. I
[32:10] Speaker 1: would sit and watch Mad TV. To the point, at
[32:12] Speaker 1: some point, I thought Mad TV was better than SNL.
[32:16] Speaker 1: You can't judge other sketch or sitcoms with some of
[32:21] Speaker 1: the shit y'all was doing on Mad TV. Like, you
[32:24] Speaker 1: can't do that.
[32:25] Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying.
[32:28] Speaker 6: With somebody like Dave Chappelle and his show and his career,
[32:33] Speaker 6: if he was to say some of these things, like
[32:35] Speaker 6: I said, people would give some like, damn, whoa. And
[32:39] Speaker 6: especially because Bernie Mac is no longer with us. Whenever
[32:42] Speaker 6: you speak on the deceased, it's always going to be,
[32:46] Speaker 6: you know, people that feel a way about you just
[32:48] Speaker 6: doing that because Bernie's not here To respond to that.
[32:52] Speaker 2: Yeah. But at least, you know, Dave is well.
[32:55] Speaker 6: Accomplished in having his own show and, you know, having
[32:59] Speaker 6: his standups and legendary standups and things like that to where,
[33:03] Speaker 6: you know, people kind of would take Dave's words a
[33:07] Speaker 6: little more like, okay, with Aries, it's like, watch your mouth.
[33:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[33:11] Speaker 6: Like, who are you to talk about the late, the late,
[33:14] Speaker 6: great Bernie Mac?
[33:15] Speaker 2: Who are you to talk about Martin Lawrence? Like, not
[33:18] Speaker 2: on their level.
[33:19] Speaker 5: Do you guys think that he has a point? And
[33:21] Speaker 5: to be fair, he didn't talk about Martin Lawrence as
[33:23] Speaker 5: a comedian or as an actor. He talked about this show, Martin,
[33:25] Speaker 5: in general.
[33:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[33:27] Speaker 1: No, I don't think he is.
[33:28] Speaker 2: I mean, if he feels that way, he feels that way.
[33:29] Speaker 1: I mean, he's allowed to feel that way.
[33:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's allowed to feel that way. Like, I'm not
[33:33] Speaker 2: mad at him.
[33:33] Speaker 5: That's not what I asked.
[33:34] Speaker 6: The fact that I don't think that his accolades and
[33:37] Speaker 6: his career warrant him saying that to most people. They
[33:41] Speaker 6: probably feel like he doesn't, it doesn't warrant that.
[33:44] Speaker 5: Now, my question, my question is, do you think he
[33:46] Speaker 5: has a point? He can feel however he want to feel.
[33:49] Speaker 5: Y'all can't stop him from doing that.
[33:51] Speaker 6: I thought Bernie Mac and Martin is probably my favorite
[33:54] Speaker 6: sitcom of all time.
[33:56] Speaker 5: So y'all don't agree that it was buffoonery?
[33:57] Speaker 1: I mean, before you asked the question, I said Bernie,
[33:59] Speaker 1: standard wise, was not. But Bernie Mac's show is not
[34:03] Speaker 1: buffoonery to me whatsoever. Bernie is a comedic. actor a
[34:08] Speaker 1: serious actor being in serious movies but being the funny
[34:11] Speaker 1: comic relief bernie is a fucking legend to me the
[34:14] Speaker 1: bernie mack show like bernie mack show is incredible.
[34:16] Speaker 2: One of probably one of the most underrated.
[34:18] Speaker 5: I'm talking about martin and the wayans brothers um two.
[34:22] Speaker 2: Of my favorite sitcoms so.
[34:25] Speaker 5: I disagree you disagree okay thank you.
[34:28] Speaker 1: I disagree oh yeah no for sure and i i
[34:30] Speaker 1: love martin all right so the wayans brothers um I
[34:35] Speaker 1: could only give the white perspective on it. Not what
[34:39] Speaker 1: I think Aries was trying to get across in that.
[34:42] Speaker 1: But I do think there is a space for slapstick,
[34:46] Speaker 1: scary movie, white chicks. That's still a genre of comedy.
[34:52] Speaker 1: If it's not for you, I totally get it. But
[34:55] Speaker 1: I wouldn't discredit what the younger Wayans brothers did after
[35:01] Speaker 1: their two older brothers. If it's not for you, it's
[35:04] Speaker 1: not for you. But to say that that's not a
[35:06] Speaker 1: legendary comedy run, like Don't Drink Juice and South Central,
[35:10] Speaker 1: all that shit is legendary if you like that type
[35:13] Speaker 1: of comedy.
[35:14] Speaker 2: If you don't like it, cool.
[35:16] Speaker 1: But you can't sit here and say that that slapstick
[35:20] Speaker 1: shit has not been around forever. They dominated that era
[35:26] Speaker 1: of that type of comedy. And Aries has done scary
[35:32] Speaker 1: movie-esque type comedy a majority of his career. Aries is
[35:37] Speaker 1: a way better stand-up comedian than both of the younger
[35:40] Speaker 1: Wayans brothers, for sure. He can say that. But when
[35:44] Speaker 1: it comes to the shit that you was doing on
[35:45] Speaker 1: Mad TV, don't say the Wayans brothers didn't do that
[35:47] Speaker 1: better than you.
[35:48] Speaker 2: Because they did.
[35:50] Speaker 1: And not to say they didn't come from a family
[35:52] Speaker 1: and probably had a step up because their oldest brother
[35:55] Speaker 1: is one of the greatest that's ever lived.
[35:58] Speaker 4: But, yeah.
[36:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[36:00] Speaker 1: They have a generational run within cinema when it comes
[36:03] Speaker 1: to slapstick sketch type comedy.
[36:06] Speaker 4: They do.
[36:07] Speaker 5: Okay.
[36:09] Speaker 6: Man, the Williamsboro is a classic show, man.
[36:12] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[36:13] Speaker 6: Martin is a classic show. Bernie Mac is a classic show.
[36:17] Speaker 6: If you don't like it, it's not your type of
[36:19] Speaker 6: humor and comedy.
[36:21] Speaker 2: All good. I know people that didn't like the Chris
[36:22] Speaker 2: Rock show. I think that's one of the greatest sitcoms ever.
[36:27] Speaker 2: But some people don't like it. So, all right. I
[36:29] Speaker 2: get it.
[36:29] Speaker 6: Me personally, if I watched reruns of Martin, I've watched
[36:34] Speaker 6: probably every episode of Martin at least in my lifetime
[36:36] Speaker 6: 20 times.
[36:38] Speaker 2: Jesus. Every single episode of Martin. Like that's just, I'm
[36:42] Speaker 2: going to watch it. You know what I'm saying?
[36:43] Speaker 6: Like I grew up on that. Martin's one of my
[36:45] Speaker 6: favorite comedians. We got some iconic episodes in that comedy series.
[36:50] Speaker 6: We got great characters out of that series.
[36:52] Speaker 2: Same with the Wayans Brothers. With Pops.
[36:57] Speaker 6: Know the dying and all of that like that was
[36:58] Speaker 6: part of you know you come home from school you
[37:01] Speaker 6: was looking forward to watching those shows like so i
[37:04] Speaker 6: mean ari spears can feel how he feels he's a
[37:06] Speaker 6: he's a comment he's a comedian he's probably looking for
[37:09] Speaker 6: certain things in comedy that comedians should do and and
[37:13] Speaker 6: have that i can't really speak to so you know
[37:16] Speaker 6: again his opinion is his opinion but you know yeah
[37:19] Speaker 6: you can't take away from what the legends have done
[37:22] Speaker 6: in the iconic shows that they created and built Just
[37:25] Speaker 6: because certain things that you think should be in comedy
[37:28] Speaker 6: or comedians should have didn't exist in these shows. That
[37:31] Speaker 6: doesn't mean that, you know.
[37:33] Speaker 2: And to be fair, they asked him a question. He
[37:35] Speaker 2: answered it. That's who he felt like was a little.
[37:37] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[37:37] Speaker 6: He said, I don't get the whole Tracy Morgan thing.
[37:40] Speaker 6: You know, I don't get, you know, the Bernie Mac thing.
[37:42] Speaker 4: Like, okay. All right.
[37:43] Speaker 1: Back to similar to the Bernie thing.
[37:46] Speaker 2: The last OG was dope. The last OG was dope
[37:49] Speaker 2: to me. It's so good.
[37:50] Speaker 1: The last OG is incredible. I'm mad they canceled it.
[37:55] Speaker 1: And Tracy is just naturally funny. No, he's not a
[37:59] Speaker 1: Chappelle type style standup comedian, but why does every comedian
[38:03] Speaker 1: have to be that? Now everything has to be super
[38:05] Speaker 1: high brow. Like sometimes it's fucking hilarious when Tracy Morgan
[38:10] Speaker 1: slaps his fucking stomach and puts his leg under and says,
[38:13] Speaker 1: I lost my leg in Vietnam on a fucking late
[38:15] Speaker 1: night show. Like this shit is fucking hilarious. Tracy Morgan
[38:20] Speaker 1: is cinematically with movies. Hilarious.
[38:24] Speaker 2: If you don't like his stand-up, all.
[38:25] Speaker 1: Right, I get you.
[38:27] Speaker 2: That's not his thing. Ain't on Aries' ass, though.
[38:29] Speaker 1: Well, he also, let me say fucked up, but as
[38:34] Speaker 1: someone that's missed the mark in backlash before, I'm not
[38:38] Speaker 1: here to judge him, but his response video, he completely
[38:44] Speaker 1: misunderstood why people were killing him. He was like, I
[38:46] Speaker 1: didn't say anything disrespectful about them. Why is everyone mad?
[38:49] Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to have an opinion. That's not what
[38:51] Speaker 1: everyone's mad at. No one thought he was being disrespectful
[38:56] Speaker 1: to any of them or he shouldn't have an opinion.
[38:59] Speaker 1: We're just saying you can't accuse people of doing something
[39:02] Speaker 1: that you did your whole fucking career.
[39:05] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[39:06] Speaker 1: That's what the backlash was like.
[39:07] Speaker 2: All right, cool.
[39:09] Speaker 1: People may agree with you, Aries, but you can't do
[39:11] Speaker 1: this when there's a thousand hours of tape of you
[39:14] Speaker 1: doing worse than everything you're accusing them of doing. Yeah.
[39:17] Speaker 5: But but and this is not me staring in the fairies,
[39:20] Speaker 5: but some people would say that he was doing that
[39:22] Speaker 5: for Mad TV. He was doing that for a check.
[39:24] Speaker 5: That's not his brand of humor. He's done it, but
[39:27] Speaker 5: that's not his brand of humor.
[39:28] Speaker 2: You don't think the Wayans brothers did it for it? check?
[39:30] Speaker 1: They got a mortgage.
[39:31] Speaker 5: They owned their show. They could have done whatever they wanted.
[39:34] Speaker 1: Who owned the show?
[39:37] Speaker 5: That family could have done whatever they wanted to do.
[39:40] Speaker 5: They specialize in that type of humor, and that's what
[39:43] Speaker 5: they wanted to do. Aries is, I auditioned for a job,
[39:46] Speaker 5: and I got this job, and I was on a show.
[39:48] Speaker 5: This is not my show. I don't have creative control
[39:50] Speaker 5: of a show. I am an employee.
[39:52] Speaker 1: Okay, but Aries, and again, it's totally fine. You can
[39:56] Speaker 1: grow in your career. I mean, he stopped working with Vlad,
[40:00] Speaker 1: even though actually, as someone that Vlad keeps calling out,
[40:05] Speaker 1: I agreed with Vlad in the Aries situation, but Aries
[40:08] Speaker 1: stepped when he felt uncomfortable. He has a track record
[40:13] Speaker 1: of stepping when he feels uncomfortable. So if you felt
[40:15] Speaker 1: uncomfortable with all that mad TV shit she was doing, leave.
[40:19] Speaker 2: You've done it before.
[40:19] Speaker 5: I don't think he felt uncomfortable.
[40:21] Speaker 2: And that's what everyone was saying. And that's the point. Clearly,
[40:28] Speaker 2: he was fine with it.
[40:30] Speaker 5: I mean, I get it. But I can also understand
[40:32] Speaker 5: if he doesn't find it funny.
[40:33] Speaker 1: Listen, you're allowed to grow. Because when I was younger,
[40:35] Speaker 1: I did shit for a check that I wouldn't do now.
[40:37] Speaker 1: So I'm not here to chastise him or judge him
[40:40] Speaker 1: in that way. There's plenty of things that I did
[40:41] Speaker 1: when I was younger when I needed a check or
[40:43] Speaker 1: was trying to grow a career that I would never
[40:45] Speaker 1: do right now.
[40:46] Speaker 3: There's plenty of shit.
[40:46] Speaker 5: That we do today for... We talk about that we
[40:50] Speaker 5: don't really care about.
[40:51] Speaker 7: I love.
[40:51] Speaker 4: See, that.
[40:54] Speaker 6: Was.
[40:54] Speaker 5: You shouldn't have done that.
[40:55] Speaker 2: You won't allow me to talk about it, so.
[40:57] Speaker 5: That was unnecessary. But... We still do shit like, you
[41:01] Speaker 5: know what I'm saying? Like, let's be real here.
[41:03] Speaker 2: We're adults.
[41:04] Speaker 5: We got bills. Like, you know, like we don't do
[41:06] Speaker 5: shit we don't believe in.
[41:08] Speaker 1: Well, there's no but there's no advertiser that can tell
[41:11] Speaker 1: us what we can and cannot say.
[41:13] Speaker 2: That's the difference.
[41:14] Speaker 1: Like when it comes to some of sketch comedy and
[41:16] Speaker 1: you're working for a network and they want you to
[41:18] Speaker 1: do a sketch that you're uncomfortable with, even down to
[41:21] Speaker 1: like maybe Bobby Lee on Mad TV being the Asian
[41:24] Speaker 1: caricature stereotype every time.
[41:26] Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
[41:27] Speaker 1: That's a difference between advertisers and wanting to advertise with
[41:30] Speaker 1: our show. They don't tell us what we can and
[41:33] Speaker 1: cannot say. That's the difference.
[41:36] Speaker 2: If they said that, we'd say, fuck off. You're not
[41:40] Speaker 2: about to tell me what to say.
[41:41] Speaker 1: Unless it's Apple.
[41:44] Speaker 2: Well, I like the duo.
[41:46] Speaker 5: If Apple's listening.
[41:47] Speaker 2: I'll say whatever y'all want me to say, Apple. For
[41:51] Speaker 2: a duo.
[41:52] Speaker 5: Look what niggas are doing for us.
[41:53] Speaker 1: That's your price.
[41:54] Speaker 2: It's just a duo. Yeah, man. I'll tell these niggas
[41:57] Speaker 2: whatever you want me to tell them. My bad.
[42:00] Speaker 1: This became a preachy episode.
[42:02] Speaker 5: No, it's not preachy, but it's, I mean, it's the truth. Yeah, Roy, shut.
[42:05] Speaker 2: The fuck up with this Honor Rod shit, man.
[42:07] Speaker 5: Nobody gives a fuck, bro.
[42:09] Speaker 2: Doug Allen, fuck all of these guys. Every time he ran,
[42:12] Speaker 2: I'd be quiet.
[42:13] Speaker 5: Aries, I'm rolling with you, yo. I think that some
[42:16] Speaker 5: of those shows are a little overrated, too. I respect
[42:18] Speaker 5: them as classics, but the comedy to me is a little...
[42:21] Speaker 5: What's your favorite show? Like I said, I'm not big
[42:24] Speaker 5: on comedy shows.
[42:25] Speaker 2: All right, then you got to just fall back.
[42:26] Speaker 5: But that don't mean I don't know funny. Like the
[42:28] Speaker 5: shows that I watch, I think that Succession is funny
[42:32] Speaker 5: as fuck.
[42:32] Speaker 4: Hilarious.
[42:33] Speaker 5: Funny as fuck. But other people will watch it and
[42:36] Speaker 5: not think that it's funny. I think that sarcasm and
[42:38] Speaker 5: intelligent humor is funny to me.
[42:40] Speaker 1: Cousin Greg is one of the funniest comedic characters.
[42:42] Speaker 5: Yeah, like awkwardness is funny. Like Insecure. Insecure is fucking hilarious.
[42:47] Speaker 1: Very funny.
[42:48] Speaker 5: It's awkward genius funny. Just like, oh my God, let
[42:52] Speaker 5: me just slap something on my face and oh, eggs
[42:55] Speaker 5: on my face. And oh my God, that's so funny.
[42:56] Speaker 5: Or oh, I have like a stupid like shuck and
[42:59] Speaker 5: jive country accent. Or my name is Shaniqua and that
[43:01] Speaker 5: shit ain't funny to me. that's just me I don't
[43:04] Speaker 5: I can understand it being funny to other people but
[43:06] Speaker 5: it's not to me it's literally the same thing with
[43:07] Speaker 5: Will Ferrell but do you also see like people said
[43:10] Speaker 5: it was just because Will Ferrell was white and when
[43:12] Speaker 5: they brought up Martin I was like oh I understand
[43:13] Speaker 5: what he's saying because I never really thought Martin was
[43:15] Speaker 5: that funny either Martin the show not Martin Lawrence the.
[43:17] Speaker 1: Person but you understand like people want to turn off
[43:19] Speaker 1: their brain and watch like reality TV.
[43:21] Speaker 5: Yeah sometimes people want to turn their brain off yeah
[43:23] Speaker 5: that's what's up I don't blame other people for what
[43:25] Speaker 5: they find funny it's just I don't find it funny
[43:27] Speaker 5: that doesn't mean that it's not funny I just.
[43:29] Speaker 1: Don't find it funny do you think That's So Raven
[43:31] Speaker 1: is a black show No.
[43:33] Speaker 7: Okay.
[43:36] Speaker 5: But what would you say makes, Maul, what would you
[43:38] Speaker 5: say makes a show a black show? All black cast
[43:42] Speaker 5: or mostly black people who watch it?
[43:44] Speaker 6: Not all black cast, but it has to be a
[43:47] Speaker 6: predominantly black cast. It has to talk about things in
[43:52] Speaker 6: black culture.
[43:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. It has to highlight or talk about things that
[44:01] Speaker 2: we identify with.
[44:04] Speaker 5: Uh what do you mean things that we identify with like.
[44:07] Speaker 2: What goes on in our culture in our homes and
[44:09] Speaker 2: our schools and our.
[44:11] Speaker 6: Jobs like it has to be the black experience it
[44:13] Speaker 6: has to speak from our experience but.
[44:15] Speaker 5: What do you so what i'm asking is what show
[44:18] Speaker 5: do you think defines the black experience because i don't
[44:20] Speaker 5: want it to be painted as if black people are
[44:22] Speaker 5: a monolith because everybody's black experience is different no that's
[44:26] Speaker 5: what i'm.
[44:26] Speaker 6: Saying but if you said what makes a show a
[44:28] Speaker 6: show a black show i mean whoever the show is
[44:31] Speaker 6: based on has to be a black person with a
[44:35] Speaker 6: black experience. Like it has to be somebody from, from
[44:38] Speaker 6: our culture. That's what makes the show a black to me. Like,
[44:43] Speaker 6: I mean, it's the character. It doesn't have to be
[44:44] Speaker 6: an all black cast. No, like, because we have white friends,
[44:50] Speaker 6: we have Asian friends, we have, you know what I'm saying?
[44:52] Speaker 6: But it's just like, yeah, like it has to be
[44:55] Speaker 6: about our experience and from our point of view.
[44:58] Speaker 5: So this conversation is coming because Raven is, Raven-Symoné made
[45:03] Speaker 5: a comment and said that the That's So Raven show
[45:07] Speaker 5: was not a black show. I agree with her. It
[45:11] Speaker 5: had a predominantly black cast, but millions of kids of
[45:16] Speaker 5: all races can identify with that show.
[45:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a Disney channel.
[45:21] Speaker 6: It wasn't so hyper fixated on, you know, wasn't she
[45:26] Speaker 6: like in school?
[45:27] Speaker 5: She was in high school.
[45:28] Speaker 6: Yeah, so it was a bunch of different, like, classmates
[45:31] Speaker 6: and characters things like that so.
[45:33] Speaker 1: Because she was in school it wasn't a black show
[45:35] Speaker 1: it's weird that you said.
[45:36] Speaker 6: No not not because i'm saying that i'm trying to
[45:38] Speaker 6: remember the show i can't really because i was.
[45:40] Speaker 1: I was all right well i mean the premise of
[45:41] Speaker 1: it yes they were in school they were at home
[45:43] Speaker 1: but the premise was that she could see the future
[45:45] Speaker 1: and she would see the future and the episode would
[45:47] Speaker 1: be based off her trying to fix her vision which
[45:50] Speaker 1: ended up being the vision yeah that's.
[45:53] Speaker 6: Not no black show no it's not a black black
[45:55] Speaker 6: people don't even think about shit like that.
[45:59] Speaker 1: I think it's a great show with a black cast,
[46:02] Speaker 1: but I wouldn't... I don't know what a black show
[46:05] Speaker 1: would be considered. Is My Wife and Kids a black show?
[46:08] Speaker 4: Yes.
[46:09] Speaker 1: See, that's... I'm asking as a white person that's trying
[46:12] Speaker 1: to learn.
[46:13] Speaker 5: I think My Wife and Kids is a black ass show.
[46:15] Speaker 2: I'm not going to give any opinions here. I want
[46:16] Speaker 2: to learn as a white person.
[46:17] Speaker 5: That's with.
[46:18] Speaker 9: Damon?
[46:19] Speaker 6: Yeah, Damon.
[46:20] Speaker 2: Such a good show. One of my favorites ever.
[46:21] Speaker 5: That might be a black ass show.
[46:22] Speaker 2: I think that's a black show.
[46:23] Speaker 5: Just because it's a black show doesn't mean that other
[46:25] Speaker 5: races can't watch it.
[46:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, they can exist in the show.
[46:29] Speaker 5: Not even in the show. I'm talking about the fan base.
[46:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely.
[46:33] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[46:33] Speaker 1: I mean, OK, so then what you ask them all
[46:36] Speaker 1: that question. I'm as a white that's trying to learn.
[46:40] Speaker 1: Why is my wife and kids a black show? And
[46:42] Speaker 1: that's or even not.
[46:44] Speaker 5: Because if you replace Raven with. with a white girl
[46:50] Speaker 5: that show could be outside of raven's um very black
[46:55] Speaker 5: as a black woman very black mannerisms you could replace
[46:59] Speaker 5: raven with a white girl and that show would still
[47:01] Speaker 5: be that show it.
[47:02] Speaker 1: Would stay in a montana could do it you.
[47:03] Speaker 5: Could not replace michael kyle as with a white man
[47:09] Speaker 5: and that show makes sense.
[47:11] Speaker 1: They replaced claire just like.
[47:13] Speaker 2: A dumb son like.
[47:17] Speaker 1: Nah i don't know um okay well let me ask
[47:19] Speaker 1: you this did you ever watch king of queens love
[47:22] Speaker 1: king of queens okay is there king of queens is
[47:25] Speaker 1: there much difference between king of queens and my wife
[47:28] Speaker 1: and kids as far as.
[47:30] Speaker 5: Not that much difference not that much difference.
[47:33] Speaker 2: That's why i guess i'm asking is it a black.
[47:35] Speaker 5: Show but everybody in because.
[47:37] Speaker 1: I think it's just a representation of like two working families.
[47:41] Speaker 5: Yes But I guess it's the actors and actresses that
[47:45] Speaker 5: they had in it because when you think of That's
[47:49] Speaker 5: So Raven. The only black ass, I'm talking about mannerisms,
[47:52] Speaker 5: black ass character was Raven, right? Like everybody else was pretty,
[47:57] Speaker 5: you could replace them with white characters.
[47:59] Speaker 1: Orlando Brown?
[48:00] Speaker 5: My wife and kids, yes. Other than his, he could
[48:03] Speaker 5: be a white hip hop head, whatever. My wife and kids,
[48:07] Speaker 5: you got fucking, look at who the mother and the
[48:11] Speaker 5: fucking father are. Like you can't, there is no white equivalent.
[48:14] Speaker 1: Shout out to Martin.
[48:15] Speaker 5: There is no white equivalent to them. Shout out to
[48:18] Speaker 5: Martin for what?
[48:20] Speaker 3: The wife.
[48:21] Speaker 8: Never mind.
[48:23] Speaker 2: Lineage. Is Everybody Hates Chris a black show? Yes.
[48:26] Speaker 5: That's a black ass show. Black show.
[48:27] Speaker 6: What?
[48:28] Speaker 5: It has a lot of white... All of their experiences.
[48:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
[48:32] Speaker 5: That's a very black show.
[48:34] Speaker 1: Can a white comment on it?
[48:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[48:37] Speaker 1: I think that would be considered one because Chris Rock
[48:40] Speaker 1: speaks specifically to his black experience of being bused from
[48:43] Speaker 1: Bed-Stuy to Garrison Beach. And being with whites.
[48:47] Speaker 2: It's based on the experience. That's the black experience. Yeah.
[48:52] Speaker 1: But I mean, I think, um, a lot of the
[48:55] Speaker 1: family elements of everyone hates Chris are universal.
[49:00] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[49:00] Speaker 5: That's universal.
[49:00] Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't, I don't think that's a.
[49:03] Speaker 5: But that's a black ass. That's a black ass show.
[49:05] Speaker 2: But like having your one white friend, like they speak
[49:08] Speaker 2: on race a lot in the show.
[49:09] Speaker 5: And I think that that's another one, too, is you
[49:11] Speaker 5: speaking on race. My wife's kid speaks on race more.
[49:14] Speaker 5: That's so Raven damn near but it's a Disney show
[49:16] Speaker 5: so they barely barely barely speak on race and that's
[49:20] Speaker 5: so Raven.
[49:21] Speaker 1: But they they didn't kill Raven they just found a
[49:24] Speaker 1: lot of hilarious examples a lot of Raven being black.
[49:28] Speaker 2: Is girlfriend's a black show yes.
[49:32] Speaker 5: Yes girlfriend is a very black show the Cosby show
[49:40] Speaker 5: The Cosby Show was black because it spoke on race
[49:42] Speaker 5: a lot.
[49:43] Speaker 1: Is Sister Sister a black show?
[49:47] Speaker 2: They're not even black.
[49:50] Speaker 5: If they're not black, they're black.
[49:52] Speaker 2: I'm playing, man.
[49:57] Speaker 5: Yes.
[49:59] Speaker 2: Why? Nah, man.
[50:01] Speaker 5: Sister Sister?
[50:02] Speaker 2: Yes. Why is it a black show?
[50:06] Speaker 1: If That's So Raven is not a black show, then
[50:08] Speaker 1: I can't see why.
[50:08] Speaker 2: How is Sister Sister a black show?
[50:10] Speaker 5: I think you're misunderstanding just how big That's So Raven was.
[50:14] Speaker 5: That's So Raven, the only thing that completely... It's the
[50:15] Speaker 5: same fucking network, just two hours difference. I'm talking about popularity.
[50:21] Speaker 5: Popularity has a lot to do with it.
[50:23] Speaker 1: I was young, watch, I didn't care about the numbers.
[50:25] Speaker 5: The more popularity you have, the more of a different
[50:28] Speaker 5: racial demographic you have. And on top of that, the
[50:31] Speaker 5: time that it was in.
[50:32] Speaker 2: But that was still Disney, right?
[50:34] Speaker 5: Yeah they were both what sister sister disney abc.
[50:38] Speaker 2: Was moesha but didn't disney i was on disney.
[50:40] Speaker 5: Black ass show yes the parker is a black ass show.
[50:43] Speaker 2: I don't know if moesha was.
[50:45] Speaker 5: Ma be fucking for real i don't know man that
[50:48] Speaker 5: girl name was moesha yeah.
[50:50] Speaker 2: But i mean i don't know man moesha.
[50:53] Speaker 1: Is a black ass show oh ai says yeah she
[50:57] Speaker 1: is black sister sister oh I thought you typed in
[51:01] Speaker 1: sister sister.
[51:02] Speaker 5: Black show that's a black show sister sister was a
[51:07] Speaker 5: black show.
[51:09] Speaker 1: I don't know like you would compare sister sister like
[51:13] Speaker 1: different strokes different strokes is a black experience in a
[51:17] Speaker 1: white family like to me that would be more of
[51:19] Speaker 1: a black show than sister.
[51:20] Speaker 5: Sister no different strokes it's just a show Steve.
[51:23] Speaker 6: Harvey's a black show huh Steve Harvey.
[51:25] Speaker 5: Harvey show yes black show Kenan and Kel no.
[51:32] Speaker 1: I'm asking as a white.
[51:33] Speaker 2: As a white, I'm trying to learn. We getting somewhere.
[51:35] Speaker 2: We getting somewhere. Hold on. Let me sit up and clash.
[51:38] Speaker 2: Hold on. We getting somewhere.
[51:40] Speaker 5: Keenan and Kel.
[51:41] Speaker 2: Keenan and Kel is not a black show.
[51:43] Speaker 7: No.
[51:45] Speaker 5: Proud family, black show.
[51:47] Speaker 2: But Keenan and Kel is not a black show.
[51:50] Speaker 5: Jackson, not a black show.
[51:51] Speaker 2: Wait, hold on.
[51:52] Speaker 1: Can you just explain why Proud Family is? I'm not
[51:54] Speaker 1: saying it isn't.
[51:56] Speaker 5: Because I think the majority of the people who watched
[51:58] Speaker 5: Proud Family were black and Proud Family's... I also think
[52:03] Speaker 5: a lot of black shows also lean into stereotypical black,
[52:07] Speaker 5: lean into black stereotypes a lot. And the Prowl family
[52:10] Speaker 5: did that.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Every white, Spanish, or black friend I had watched Prowl family.
[52:16] Speaker 5: But this is the thing. I also think the Prowl
[52:18] Speaker 5: family was written by black people, if I'm not mistaken.
[52:21] Speaker 2: I would hope so.
[52:22] Speaker 1: That would be weird.
[52:24] Speaker 5: Do you know why the Gross Sisters were purple? Were blue?
[52:27] Speaker 5: It's because they were ashy. And all the sisters were
[52:31] Speaker 5: named after lotions. That's how black the Prowl family is.
[52:35] Speaker 5: That's how black the Prowl family is. I'm dead ass.
[52:38] Speaker 5: All the sisters was named after lotions.
[52:39] Speaker 1: And I hope it was written by black people. I
[52:40] Speaker 1: think it was.
[52:41] Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure it was written by black people.
[52:42] Speaker 2: I hope to God.
[52:43] Speaker 5: Yeah, the Prowl family was created by a black person.
[52:45] Speaker 2: That was written by Fat Joe.
[52:48] Speaker 6: Yo, is the PJs a black show?
[52:52] Speaker 5: Jambalaya Studios produced the series.
[52:54] Speaker 2: Jambalaya Studios.
[52:55] Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. The Prowl family black as fuck.
[52:56] Speaker 2: So it's Creole.
[52:58] Speaker 5: It was black as fuck.
[52:59] Speaker 2: Of course it's Creole.
[53:00] Speaker 4: It's French.
[53:00] Speaker 5: La Cienega Boulevard is. That show black as shit. I know.
[53:06] Speaker 5: But only a black person will come up with some
[53:07] Speaker 5: shit like that.
[53:08] Speaker 2: Is Smart Guy the black show?
[53:12] Speaker 5: In between. Hang with Mr. Cooper, black.
[53:16] Speaker 2: Wait, hold on.
[53:16] Speaker 1: Can you explain why Smart Guy is half black?
[53:19] Speaker 5: It's biracial.
[53:20] Speaker 1: How though?
[53:23] Speaker 2: It's the same as Sister Sister. small guys that's right
[53:28] Speaker 2: there with sister sister.
[53:29] Speaker 5: It's like this it's it's the same show but i
[53:31] Speaker 5: also think that that that sister sister is more biracial
[53:34] Speaker 5: too like i wouldn't say that it was a black
[53:36] Speaker 5: ass show but it was black the proud family black
[53:39] Speaker 5: ass show Live a single black ass show. Moesha black
[53:42] Speaker 5: ass show. The Parker's black ass show.
[53:44] Speaker 1: Wait, but hold on.
[53:45] Speaker 5: Fresh Prince biracial.
[53:46] Speaker 1: So how is famous Jet Jackson not biracial? That's a
[53:50] Speaker 1: young black famous man trying to live in a white world.
[53:52] Speaker 5: Fresh Prince is biracial.
[53:53] Speaker 2: The Fresh Prince is not a black show? Y'all will
[53:55] Speaker 2: not take that from us. That's a black show, bro.
[53:59] Speaker 5: But it ain't taking it. It's not taking it from you.
[54:01] Speaker 5: I think just because the Fresh Prince got so big.
[54:02] Speaker 2: The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air? That's a black show, bro.
[54:05] Speaker 6: I'm not doing that.
[54:07] Speaker 2: That's a black show. I don't know the definition. I'm
[54:09] Speaker 2: a white trying to learn.
[54:11] Speaker 5: I'm going off fields. I'm going off fields. Mind you,
[54:13] Speaker 5: The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is one of my favorite
[54:14] Speaker 5: shows of all time when it comes to that type
[54:16] Speaker 5: of show. I think The Fresh Prince is significantly more
[54:20] Speaker 5: funnier than Martin.
[54:22] Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. But that's not the topic at hand.
[54:25] Speaker 5: Cousin Skeeter, black. I never seen Rob.
[54:29] Speaker 1: It was sandwiched in between white shows like Cousin Skeeter.
[54:32] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[54:32] Speaker 1: I guess I just don't know the definition.
[54:33] Speaker 2: The Fresh Prince is considered not black?
[54:36] Speaker 5: I didn't say not black. I said biracial. It's like
[54:38] Speaker 5: in the middle. I think when you blow up so big.
[54:42] Speaker 6: It only became biracial when they replaced the dark skin
[54:45] Speaker 6: on Viv with the light skin on Viv.
[54:46] Speaker 1: But they did that in My Wife and Kids with Claire.
[54:49] Speaker 1: They got rid of dark skin Claire and got light
[54:50] Speaker 1: skin Claire.
[54:52] Speaker 2: But they didn't get rid of her.
[54:53] Speaker 5: That's not fair. They didn't get rid of her. Her
[54:56] Speaker 5: parents didn't want her starring on it anymore. Dark skin Claire.
[54:59] Speaker 5: They didn't want her.
[54:59] Speaker 1: That's what NBC said.
[55:01] Speaker 5: No, that's what her parents said. Because the subject matter
[55:04] Speaker 5: was a little bit too much. Family Matters, black.
[55:09] Speaker 2: Family Matters is a black show, for sure.
[55:12] Speaker 4: It's a black show.
[55:14] Speaker 1: Whenever you guys want to pull up white shows, then
[55:16] Speaker 1: I'll be a critic. I'm just here for the ride.
[55:19] Speaker 2: Home improvement.
[55:20] Speaker 5: You think The Wire a black show?
[55:21] Speaker 4: It's a white ass show.
[55:22] Speaker 2: It's a white ass show.
[55:22] Speaker 5: Y'all think The Wire a black show?
[55:24] Speaker 2: No.
[55:25] Speaker 7: Me either.
[55:26] Speaker 1: Not even a little bit.
[55:27] Speaker 7: Me either.
[55:28] Speaker 2: Y'all don't think The Wire is a black show?
[55:29] Speaker 1: No.
[55:30] Speaker 2: No.
[55:33] Speaker 1: Not even a tiny bit.
[55:35] Speaker 5: I can understand why because of the cast, but no.
[55:40] Speaker 2: That's sick. That might be the first time I heard that.
[55:43] Speaker 5: So when I think of a black show, I think
[55:45] Speaker 5: of who the audience is. And The Wire's audience is
[55:48] Speaker 5: so widespread. White people love The Wire.
[55:50] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not thinking about the audience. I'm thinking about
[55:52] Speaker 1: the actual show.
[55:54] Speaker 5: I'm thinking about the audience and the subject matter of
[55:57] Speaker 5: the show, like both. But the audience is important.
[56:01] Speaker 1: If you're going off audience, that would mean Flo Rida
[56:04] Speaker 1: is a white rapper. Just because the audience is white.
[56:07] Speaker 5: That's completely different from show. That's completely different.
[56:10] Speaker 7: How come people don't bring up Flo Rida in rap releases?
[56:15] Speaker 1: Because he's making weird white pop music.
[56:21] Speaker 5: I think music and TV is a little bit different.
[56:23] Speaker 2: I don't think The Wire is a black show.
[56:26] Speaker 1: What about it is a black show?
[56:29] Speaker 2: Have you seen The Wire?
[56:30] Speaker 5: Just because something is in the hood doesn't make it
[56:31] Speaker 5: a black show.
[56:33] Speaker 2: You seen the subject matter?
[56:36] Speaker 1: I mean, the theme of the overall series is how
[56:41] Speaker 1: the street element of Baltimore ties into politics, kids, media, pale,
[56:49] Speaker 1: like everything is just, it's about the city of Baltimore.
[56:52] Speaker 2: No, I get it. Yes, it is.
[56:54] Speaker 1: And mind you, Baltimore is a black country. city whereas
[56:59] Speaker 1: even when the mayor was running at the end of
[57:01] Speaker 1: the day i'll still be a white mayor in a
[57:03] Speaker 1: black city for sure but no it's about city politics
[57:08] Speaker 1: and cities are melting pots no matter what you whatever
[57:13] Speaker 1: the highest demographic is cities are still melting pots and
[57:16] Speaker 1: that's a representation of what city politics look like and
[57:20] Speaker 1: how everything trickles down from a corner kid to the
[57:22] Speaker 1: mayor everything is tied together i don't think that's a
[57:25] Speaker 1: black show I think black people are part of a city.
[57:30] Speaker 2: Hopefully. Hopefully they consider that.
[57:33] Speaker 1: I think everything trickles down to education, to the mayor.
[57:40] Speaker 1: It just is all.
[57:42] Speaker 4: Combined.
[57:43] Speaker 2: Is Snowfall a black show? Yes.
[57:46] Speaker 7: Yes.
[57:46] Speaker 2: But The Wire is not. Different in how.
[57:51] Speaker 3: That aspect.
[57:52] Speaker 1: Snowfall focuses on one specific part. Whereas The Wire, Snowfall
[57:58] Speaker 1: is not about the entire city of LA. The way
[58:02] Speaker 1: The Wire is. The way The Wire is. There's not
[58:07] Speaker 1: a season two dedicated to the Long Beach docks.
[58:11] Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
[58:15] Speaker 1: You can make a case with Snowfall that there is
[58:16] Speaker 1: a lot of the freeway Ricky story of CIA and
[58:21] Speaker 1: how shit got here.
[58:23] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's politics.
[58:26] Speaker 1: In comparison, I would say Snowfall would be more. I
[58:30] Speaker 1: don't know what a black show and a white show is.
[58:32] Speaker 1: It's really what I'm saying.
[58:33] Speaker 5: We're all just, you know, freestyling this shit. It ain't
[58:35] Speaker 5: like what we say is law.
[58:37] Speaker 2: Not what I'm saying is law. Fuck that.
[58:39] Speaker 1: Well, Sim was on the reboot, so.
[58:42] Speaker 2: Of what?
[58:43] Speaker 5: Check it out.
[58:43] Speaker 2: Snowfall.
[58:44] Speaker 1: It came out two nights ago.
[58:46] Speaker 5: Oh, did you see? Did you watch it?
[58:47] Speaker 2: Oh, the spinoff.
[58:48] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[58:48] Speaker 2: I had to watch it. How was it?
[58:51] Speaker 1: No, I haven't watched it yet.
[58:51] Speaker 2: Okay. But yeah.
[58:53] Speaker 1: I did see that it aired. No, I went to set.
[58:55] Speaker 1: Maybe you'll see me in the background.
[58:57] Speaker 2: Maybe. That will make it a not black show.
[59:03] Speaker 1: I play an undercover CIA agent. Hey, how about this
[59:06] Speaker 1: thing called crack? i see compton is a thriving suburb
[59:12] Speaker 1: for black people how about i ruin it with cocaine.
[59:14] Speaker 6: I gotta check it out the drop okay on fx
[59:18] Speaker 6: and hulu i'm gonna check that out because i mean y'all.
[59:20] Speaker 2: Know how i feel about snowfall so i want to
[59:22] Speaker 2: see what they did with this.
[59:23] Speaker 1: Yeah no it's got a lot of good actors in
[59:25] Speaker 1: there as well i don't like what uh Asante Black,
[59:28] Speaker 1: who's been in our studio before. Asante's a really, really
[59:31] Speaker 1: good actor. He starred in Eris' movie, Storiev.
[59:35] Speaker 2: Okay.
[59:36] Speaker 1: He's also in Euphoria, the last season. Asante's really dope.
[59:41] Speaker 1: We have to have Asante on the show soon. He's
[59:44] Speaker 1: a really good actor.
[59:44] Speaker 2: I'm going to check this out, man. Hopefully they got
[59:46] Speaker 2: this one right.
[59:48] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[59:48] Speaker 1: All right, Maul, let's get to our guests here.
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[59:54] Speaker 3: Yes.
[59:55] Speaker 1: Um, we thought it was going to be three people,
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[1:00:02] Speaker 1: caught cash and we have, we have Lake here.
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: Bring them in, bring them in.
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[1:01:24] Speaker 6: We are joined by Generation Now, Kai Cash, bars not
[1:01:28] Speaker 6: dead available now.
[1:01:29] Speaker 7: Yes.
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: And we got lake cheesy oh man here we.
[1:01:36] Speaker 6: Are one of my favorite guys one of my favorite
[1:01:38] Speaker 6: guys right here one of my favorite shit talkers man
[1:01:40] Speaker 6: what's going on with y'all.
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: Man You had the album, what was it, the album released?
[1:01:45] Speaker 3: Album release, yeah, it was a little late, but better
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: late than never. Yeah.
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: Post-promotion, did you wait until you came back to New
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: York to do it?
[1:01:51] Speaker 8: Nah, I've been in New York for like four months.
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: So why'd you do it? I didn't want to. Yeah,
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: I did not want to throw it on the... I mean, bro,
[1:01:59] Speaker 3: the anxiety of having.
[1:02:01] Speaker 8: To put on an event is like, it's a lot.
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: And I just got to, like, Willie Joe, he was
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: just like, yo, let's just do it. And I was
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: just like, word, fuck it.
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: I was like, word. Fuck it, let's just do it.
[1:02:11] Speaker 4: Easiest rollout we ever had.
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just run it.
[1:02:15] Speaker 6: So was it like you just didn't want to do
[1:02:17] Speaker 6: it because it's like, man, just put the music out or.
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm that guy, bro. Like, I don't... To me,
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: it's just like the music is the only thing that matters.
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: But unfortunately, that's not the truth.
[1:02:27] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:02:27] Speaker 8: So it's like, we got to do the other.
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: We got to play the game. Yeah.
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: So I'm like, you know what?
[1:02:31] Speaker 8: Let me get into the groove of it. Let's play.
[1:02:33] Speaker 6: How was it working with, you know, Lake and Drama
[1:02:36] Speaker 6: and Cannon? Like, because these are like, these are vets,
[1:02:39] Speaker 6: but they're also very tapped in with the next generation.
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: I was going to add in like, and they're having.
[1:02:47] Speaker 3: I ain't going to lie, it's been.
[1:02:49] Speaker 8: Smooth for me. I can't lie. It's, Especially learning who
[1:02:55] Speaker 8: they are individually.
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: It's a very interesting group, a collective of guys.
[1:03:02] Speaker 3: It reminds me of me and my friends.
[1:03:04] Speaker 4: Who's the most interesting, bro?
[1:03:07] Speaker 8: It's like, I fuck with y'all.
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: Who's the most interesting?
[1:03:10] Speaker 3: It's like, I fuck with y'all, but I'm going to
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: see y'all when I see y'all. That's the dynamic. Like,
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: all right, we got to do something today? All right.
[1:03:17] Speaker 8: Ken would be like, I might be there.
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: Which is a no.
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: Drama and Lake is kind of, to me, they're always together.
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: So it's just like, all right, I know if Lake
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: will pull.
[1:03:25] Speaker 2: Up, Drama will pull up. Except for today. Except for today.
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: When he has a boating incident.
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, are we allowed to say why he's not here?
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: Sure.
[1:03:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: Falling off a jet ski and missing a podcast is
[1:03:34] Speaker 1: the funniest shit I've ever heard in my life.
[1:03:35] Speaker 3: And what did he hit?
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:03:37] Speaker 4: What injury is it?
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: Was it choppy?
[1:03:41] Speaker 3: Had to be.
[1:03:41] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: Had to be.
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: Well, hopefully Drama's all right.
[1:03:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: I don't want to go.
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: We're praying for Drama.
[1:03:48] Speaker 9: It wasn't a jet ski in New York, too, because
[1:03:49] Speaker 9: when he said it at first, I was like, did
[1:03:50] Speaker 9: this nigga go jet skiing on the Hudson?
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, on the Hudson River.
[1:03:54] Speaker 8: That's an injury for sure. He'd be awfully dusty.
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: He ran into the Manhattan Bridge?
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
[1:04:00] Speaker 6: So, bars not dead. Kyle, how is the climate, as
[1:04:03] Speaker 6: far as you're concerned, being one of the young new
[1:04:07] Speaker 6: rappers out of New York City?
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: What's the climate right now, as far as you're concerned?
[1:04:11] Speaker 8: For hip-hop, or just for me?
[1:04:13] Speaker 7: Both.
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, both.
[1:04:15] Speaker 3: To me, this is a crazy take being who I am.
[1:04:17] Speaker 8: I think hip hop is in a very dead space.
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: I feel the same way.
[1:04:23] Speaker 3: It's not as alive as it used to be. I
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: had a debate with a couple of rappers a week ago.
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: And I was like, yo, I've never been the biggest
[1:04:33] Speaker 3: Nas guy, but this is probably what he felt like
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: when he put that album out.
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still happening, but it doesn't feel like what
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: I know. You feel me? So it's just like right now,
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: to me, it just don't feel like what I know.
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: And for me, that's great. That's great.
[1:04:51] Speaker 8: But for me being a team.
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: Player, for lack of better words, I love to see
[1:04:56] Speaker 3: the sport and the people playing the sport be active.
[1:04:59] Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't really know what's going on.
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: I don't really give a fuck to know what's going
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: on because it's not interesting to me.
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: But people are active, though. That's what I'm saying. I
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: just think the music is just not sustaining.
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: It kind of mirrors that time when Nas put out
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: Hip Hop is Dead. Because you still had Kanye, Jay, 50... Wayne,
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: but under that was all ringtone rap. That's what consumed
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: everything besides those guys. And now, of course, you have
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: great artists, but everything below that is TikTok, which is
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: just the new ringtone.
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: So much of it is just like, I don't really
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: even know where to go, so I personally don't bother. Yeah.
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: I mean, but do you think the moment you had
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: with Joey and everyone, I wouldn't call it battle per se,
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: but just that moment of everyone rapping, did you feel.
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: That way at that time?
[1:05:42] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: I felt like that was cool.
[1:05:46] Speaker 3: But something about it was still just like, all right,
[1:05:49] Speaker 3: this is, it's just another moment. I feel like the
[1:05:54] Speaker 3: last time hip, to me, the last time hip hop
[1:05:57] Speaker 3: was like, okay, this thing is alive and thriving, it
[1:05:59] Speaker 3: might've been that 2016 freshman class. I feel like, yeah,
[1:06:04] Speaker 3: to me, to me personally, I feel like that era,
[1:06:07] Speaker 3: it was like, this shit is jumping.
[1:06:08] Speaker 8: You could go anywhere.
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: Hip hop is just the thing.
[1:06:12] Speaker 3: Now we go places, it's just like, It's.
[1:06:16] Speaker 8: Just, it's like, oh yeah, rap is rap.
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: Was that the Denzel Curry, Yachty?
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:06:20] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: That class definitely.
[1:06:22] Speaker 3: It just felt like a new shift in everything. It
[1:06:24] Speaker 3: just felt like something to me.
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: It was new energy for sure.
[1:06:26] Speaker 3: I think, I think it's a shift happening. I think
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: that's why it feels this way because now everything is resetting.
[1:06:31] Speaker 3: I don't know if it was the whole Drake and
[1:06:33] Speaker 3: Kendrick thing and watching the party die and.
[1:06:35] Speaker 8: It really happened.
[1:06:36] Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but it's like, I'm looking,
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: I'm just like, damn.
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: Do you make music differently because of that?
[1:06:45] Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure.
[1:06:46] Speaker 3: But I also went through a lot of internal changes
[1:06:51] Speaker 3: that just made me just look at life differently. So
[1:06:54] Speaker 3: I'm already just in a different space. That's probably why
[1:06:56] Speaker 3: I feel this way, to be honest.
[1:06:58] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: Do you want to speak about any of those with
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: a microphone in your face?
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: It's just more- People listening? On this huge platform? Like
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: those internal fucking phenomenal platforms?
[1:07:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, no. It was just like I- I did like
[1:07:10] Speaker 3: a three-day fast.
[1:07:11] Speaker 8: I got a baby on the way.
[1:07:13] Speaker 3: It's just so much shit. Thank you. It's just so
[1:07:17] Speaker 3: much shit I'm going through.
[1:07:18] Speaker 8: As an adult.
[1:07:20] Speaker 3: I had an ego death, which is like all the
[1:07:22] Speaker 3: old shit that mattered to me just one day just
[1:07:24] Speaker 3: stopped mattering.
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: And all this shit that I used to care about
[1:07:28] Speaker 3: is the simple shit.
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: Did you take.
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: I feel like I did. Too much shrooms or just
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: really one day was like.
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: This was a natural.
[1:07:35] Speaker 3: I think it was the fast for me realistically. It's
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: just like I shut everything out and it just gave
[1:07:40] Speaker 3: me a different type of clarity.
[1:07:43] Speaker 8: It's just like, damn, I'm polluted.
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: I feel like... I respect that. I'm like, damn, I'm
[1:07:52] Speaker 3: polluted low-key. Like, This shit is crazy. When you get
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: away from certain shit for a little while, you just like, oh,
[1:07:59] Speaker 3: wait a minute.
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: But that's real though.
[1:08:00] Speaker 3: It's still like, I think me personally, I was so
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: stuck and caught up in just the normal shit, the Instagrams,
[1:08:07] Speaker 3: the numbers, the checking in on this, what's going on
[1:08:10] Speaker 3: right now. Because as soon as you wake up, you
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: see a nigga die or a joint naked or whatever,
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: whatever you want to see is right in front of you.
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: So when I kind of let that go for a second,
[1:08:23] Speaker 3: It's like, oh, real world is still outside.
[1:08:26] Speaker 8: Like, it's still things.
[1:08:27] Speaker 3: And I've realized how many more people agree. Like, they
[1:08:30] Speaker 3: want to, like, just ISO.
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: Get away from all of it.
[1:08:34] Speaker 3: Get away from everything. Like, people really want to go
[1:08:36] Speaker 3: outside and touch grass again. And I feel like that's
[1:08:39] Speaker 3: a part of this shit. But that's really what I
[1:08:40] Speaker 3: was going through internally. Like, just letting go a lot
[1:08:42] Speaker 3: of the old shit that don't serve me no purpose
[1:08:44] Speaker 3: no more. People included.
[1:08:45] Speaker 8: I feel that.
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: No, that's, I mean, that's real.
[1:08:48] Speaker 3: How old are you?
[1:08:49] Speaker 2: 29.
[1:08:50] Speaker 6: That's dope to have that, you know, mindset at 29,
[1:08:54] Speaker 6: especially in making music and being in the industry. Because
[1:08:58] Speaker 6: at 29, you supposed to be with all the bullshit.
[1:08:59] Speaker 8: You feel me?
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: But I've been doing all the bullshit since I was
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: like 16. My fucking 16th birthday party was at Greenhouse.
[1:09:08] Speaker 4: Who was the DJ?
[1:09:09] Speaker 8: Who Kid, I would imagine.
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: Who Kid was the DJ?
[1:09:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, Who Kid was the DJ?
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: I was around for the Greenhouse era.
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: Who Kid was the DJ?
[1:09:16] Speaker 2: Legendary Nights.
[1:09:18] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: Was it during the day?
[1:09:20] Speaker 4: No.
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: It was not.
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: No wonder that and Whip got shut down.
[1:09:25] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: You feel me?
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: We probably played part in that.
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: I think they got it right when they shut Greenhouse down.
[1:09:29] Speaker 2: After the party, the shit definitely happened.
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: Shut down. Once Tony Parker gets hit with a bottle.
[1:09:37] Speaker 6: It's time to hit a hard reset.
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: It's time to hit a hard reset once Tony Parker
[1:09:42] Speaker 2: gets hit with a bottle.
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: I mean, did you feel like you grew up a
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: little quicker than most just because your dad was in
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: Junior Mafia?
[1:09:48] Speaker 2: You have like, similar to Maul.
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: You do have a hip hop royalty family, even though
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: you weren't directly in.
[1:09:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, we pseudo-Nepo babies. But yes, I did grow up
[1:10:00] Speaker 3: faster because I seen... I just seen things that people
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: that I was going to school with and just growing
[1:10:05] Speaker 3: up in the neighborhood, y'all probably would never seen in
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: your lives. And it's just like, I seen it so
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: much that it's normal to me. So I kept myself
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: away from even having too many friends in school and
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: shit like that. Cause it's just like, you know, my
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: life is just different. Y'all are not even ready for
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: this shit. Y'all can't fuck with what.
[1:10:21] Speaker 8: I got going on. I don't even really want to
[1:10:23] Speaker 8: fuck with you.
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: And of course now looking back at it, like that's
[1:10:26] Speaker 3: some fuck shit to think.
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: Like, But it's real.
[1:10:30] Speaker 3: It's just like, bro, what am I to do?
[1:10:32] Speaker 2: It's self-aware.
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: I don't think it's arrogant. I just think it's self-aware
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: of who you had around you.
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: You feel me? So it's just like, bro, I'm 14, 15.
[1:10:38] Speaker 3: I'm just having my way. I'm lit on the gram.
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: That's the shit that matters to us.
[1:10:44] Speaker 4: It's like, bro, I'm... I tell niggas, man, Biggie changed
[1:10:47] Speaker 4: my diapers, bro. Shut up.
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: What are we talking about? Why do I even go
[1:10:52] Speaker 3: to you?
[1:10:52] Speaker 4: Diapers are notorious.
[1:10:54] Speaker 3: Easy call. That's crazy.
[1:10:55] Speaker 4: Notorious diapers.
[1:10:56] Speaker 5: Easy.
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: Notorious diapers. That's not the name of the new album.
[1:11:00] Speaker 4: No.
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: Like with D-Rock being your uncle and having all that guidance,
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: were they a little reluctant about these guys?
[1:11:10] Speaker 7: Nope.
[1:11:10] Speaker 8: Okay.
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: Nah.
[1:11:12] Speaker 4: Not at all.
[1:11:13] Speaker 3: Actually, bringing him up, Rock was... He was the happiest.
[1:11:16] Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, nah. Between him and my pops,
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: some niggas was like, nah, those are the right people. Finally.
[1:11:22] Speaker 2: They're like, finally.
[1:11:23] Speaker 3: Yeah. We've been waiting for so long for you to
[1:11:25] Speaker 3: get with some good people.
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:11:29] Speaker 9: And I was already super cool with a lot of
[1:11:30] Speaker 9: the Mafia cast. Like, Seeds had a lot to do
[1:11:32] Speaker 9: with it.
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: Bang.
[1:11:34] Speaker 7: Bang.
[1:11:34] Speaker 4: Like, had a whole lot to do with it. Like,
[1:11:36] Speaker 4: I spent.
[1:11:37] Speaker 9: I think for the last probably five years of me
[1:11:39] Speaker 9: coming to New York, Bang would pick me up and
[1:11:42] Speaker 9: I would be in Brooklyn with them niggas hanging out
[1:11:44] Speaker 9: there every day. So I've had a relationship with Rube, C's, Bang,
[1:11:50] Speaker 9: shit all the way down there.
[1:11:52] Speaker 4: See gutter. You know what I'm saying? I've known them
[1:11:54] Speaker 4: dudes for a while.
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so it's a different
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: type of trust that they have.
[1:11:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a mutual respect.
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
[1:11:59] Speaker 4: And you know, them niggas ain't really nobody to play
[1:12:01] Speaker 4: with either. You know what I'm saying? So the last
[1:12:02] Speaker 4: niggas you want to do is, you know what I'm saying,
[1:12:04] Speaker 4: do something.
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: But it helps when you're involved, you know what I'm saying,
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: and you already have that relationship. Yeah. They know that
[1:12:09] Speaker 2: you ain't going to have Kai in the booth.
[1:12:10] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[1:12:11] Speaker 2: They understand that part of it.
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: What did y'all see in Kai? Because just judging off
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: the Generation Now track record, you had Uzi that was
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: clearly awesome rock star shit and was... Completely different, but
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: had that crossover shit. Jack is white with curly hair.
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: We could take him to Jimmy Iovine and have a blast.
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: Kai raps like he's really, really from New York. While
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: I enjoy that type of stuff, sometimes that's not the
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: easiest thing to market or crossover. And y'all were taking
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: risks with people that I think had pop appeal based
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: off the current times. What did you see in Kai
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: that was different?
[1:12:49] Speaker 4: I mean, I think the foundation is the skill set.
[1:12:51] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:12:51] Speaker 9: I think we were speaking earlier about like why the
[1:12:55] Speaker 9: business is in the position it is.
[1:12:56] Speaker 4: And now I think I think that's part of the problem.
[1:12:58] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:12:59] Speaker 4: I think it's still rap.
[1:13:01] Speaker 9: You know, like I think this is the only sport
[1:13:02] Speaker 9: or this is the only business where somebody says, like,
[1:13:06] Speaker 9: I'm not a rapper, but it's rap. Like, imagine you
[1:13:08] Speaker 9: going to get your toilet fixed and a plumber being like, yo,
[1:13:11] Speaker 9: I'm not a plumber. but I'm here to fix your toilet.
[1:13:13] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Like, it just sounds crazy
[1:13:15] Speaker 4: even doing that.
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: So every landlord.
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:13:17] Speaker 9: I think, I think the appealing thing about Kai is a,
[1:13:19] Speaker 9: the foundation is the skillset, right? He could rap and
[1:13:21] Speaker 9: that's what this shit is. Like it's the music business,
[1:13:23] Speaker 9: but we're in rap music. So that's the exciting thing
[1:13:26] Speaker 9: for us. And, and the truth is, you know, um,
[1:13:29] Speaker 9: even though most people know drama and canon from their
[1:13:31] Speaker 9: history from, you know, the mixtapes and most of those
[1:13:33] Speaker 9: mixtapes are Southern.
[1:13:34] Speaker 4: Those are two hip hop heads from Philadelphia. You know
[1:13:36] Speaker 4: what I'm saying?
[1:13:37] Speaker 9: I'm a dude from LA that grew up in, you know,
[1:13:39] Speaker 9: like the Project Blow era, you know, watching like AC
[1:13:42] Speaker 9: alone and dudes like that. So this is what we
[1:13:44] Speaker 9: traditionally listen to. That doesn't mean we can't identify what's
[1:13:47] Speaker 9: going to work in a marketplace and say, yo, this
[1:13:50] Speaker 9: may not sound like Tribe Called Quest or something that
[1:13:52] Speaker 9: we grew up with, but we can identify whether it's
[1:13:54] Speaker 9: going to work or not. So to me, the skill
[1:13:57] Speaker 9: was the first, thing that was attractive. Of course, the
[1:13:59] Speaker 9: lineage is there. So, you know, he has some sort
[1:14:02] Speaker 9: of strong foundation, at least from a mental standpoint, because
[1:14:05] Speaker 9: that's half of dealing.
[1:14:06] Speaker 4: With these artists, right?
[1:14:06] Speaker 9: You got to deal with them mentally as well as creatively.
[1:14:10] Speaker 9: So I think those two things were it. And then
[1:14:12] Speaker 9: for real, dude, just make good music. Like, and when
[1:14:14] Speaker 9: I look at the guys that are the guys, like,
[1:14:17] Speaker 9: When you look at the top tier rappers, when you
[1:14:20] Speaker 9: think about Kendrick, when you think about shit Drake, when
[1:14:23] Speaker 9: you think about Cole, all those guys can really rap
[1:14:26] Speaker 9: their ass off. You know what I'm saying? So we
[1:14:28] Speaker 9: could develop song structure. We could find good beats. We
[1:14:31] Speaker 9: could make a catchier chorus and take a word or
[1:14:33] Speaker 9: two out, but I can't teach them how to be
[1:14:35] Speaker 9: a good rapper.
[1:14:36] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
[1:14:37] Speaker 6: As an executive though, how do you feel about the
[1:14:39] Speaker 6: current state? of hip-hop like like where do you because
[1:14:43] Speaker 6: you've been in the industry and in the game for
[1:14:45] Speaker 6: so long so you've seen the ups and downs of
[1:14:48] Speaker 6: this is this something that is like completely different for
[1:14:53] Speaker 6: you or are you like i recognize this this is
[1:14:56] Speaker 6: how we've gone through this.
[1:14:57] Speaker 9: Before i think we've gone through this i think it's
[1:14:59] Speaker 9: a few things right i think um I think ageism
[1:15:02] Speaker 9: is a real thing in hip hop.
[1:15:03] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:15:04] Speaker 9: And I think a lot of that isn't necessarily, I
[1:15:06] Speaker 9: think it's a lot of finger pointing saying like the
[1:15:08] Speaker 9: older guys don't like the younger guys and the younger
[1:15:11] Speaker 9: guys don't like the older.
[1:15:12] Speaker 4: I don't think that's the case.
[1:15:12] Speaker 9: The truth is it's a 50 year old genre.
[1:15:14] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:15:15] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? We're just figuring out how
[1:15:16] Speaker 4: to age the right way. You know what I mean?
[1:15:18] Speaker 9: Like, and I think just to use an example, like
[1:15:21] Speaker 9: the work we're doing with Jeezy now with the, with
[1:15:23] Speaker 9: the residency that he's doing in Vegas, you know, dude
[1:15:26] Speaker 9: is in a tux every single day, you know, saying
[1:15:29] Speaker 9: words to probably one of the most gangster albums ever
[1:15:32] Speaker 9: put out. But now those people that are in their
[1:15:35] Speaker 9: late forties or early fifties or late thirties, they feel
[1:15:38] Speaker 9: comfortable going to a setting without having to necessarily go
[1:15:40] Speaker 9: to a nightclub. So for me, I think, I think
[1:15:43] Speaker 9: learning how to age gracefully is one thing. I think
[1:15:46] Speaker 9: hip hop's in a space where it honestly just needs
[1:15:49] Speaker 9: a hard reset. I think the focus has been so
[1:15:51] Speaker 9: much on data that we've kind of lost the foundation,
[1:15:53] Speaker 9: which is again, skill and ability. I think the ability
[1:15:56] Speaker 9: to identify talent has been lost with just kind of
[1:15:59] Speaker 9: looking at information and look, there's nothing wrong with data,
[1:16:02] Speaker 9: but data is what it is, right?
[1:16:03] Speaker 4: It's just information.
[1:16:04] Speaker 9: It's what you use it for. So for me, that
[1:16:06] Speaker 9: should never be the foundation. The ability to identify a
[1:16:10] Speaker 9: talent is the first thing. And then from there, the
[1:16:13] Speaker 9: data gives you the information to know where to go
[1:16:15] Speaker 9: and what to do. So I think we've kind of
[1:16:17] Speaker 9: reversed that a little bit. And I think the, the incline,
[1:16:20] Speaker 9: I think I was here to, you know, we were
[1:16:22] Speaker 9: blessed to see the peak of the streaming era, but
[1:16:25] Speaker 9: now we're seeing kind of.
[1:16:26] Speaker 4: Like the negative effects of what could happen from it.
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:16:29] Speaker 9: And I think right now is the time where, you know, it's,
[1:16:32] Speaker 9: it's good for a hard reset, but it's great for
[1:16:34] Speaker 9: guys like that. Cause now you can just be creative.
[1:16:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:16:36] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
[1:16:37] Speaker 6: It's interesting for me because we're finally seeing, like you said,
[1:16:41] Speaker 6: you know, just hip hop aging and we're seeing guys like,
[1:16:45] Speaker 6: you know, Jeezy do residencies is in a tux every night.
[1:16:51] Speaker 6: Jay-Z is doing stadiums with music that we didn't think
[1:16:55] Speaker 6: was stadium music at one point.
[1:16:57] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: Kanye, what he's doing around the world.
[1:17:03] Speaker 6: You know, I think that, and then you got the
[1:17:05] Speaker 6: guys that's, you know, now starting to really get into this,
[1:17:08] Speaker 6: starting like a Don Toliver.
[1:17:10] Speaker 4: That's a great example.
[1:17:11] Speaker 6: Who is now like, you know, he's showing people like,
[1:17:14] Speaker 6: you know, like, This is my time. I'm at a
[1:17:16] Speaker 6: level now where everybody is looking at me like, holy shit.
[1:17:20] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's an interesting time
[1:17:24] Speaker 2: for a number of things.
[1:17:25] Speaker 6: But like you said, we got away from, I think,
[1:17:28] Speaker 6: what this thing really was about, which is the skill
[1:17:31] Speaker 6: set more than we started paying too much attention to
[1:17:34] Speaker 6: everything outside of the music, you know, impressions and virality
[1:17:39] Speaker 6: and things like that, where it's like, no, let's get
[1:17:41] Speaker 6: back to the music because we see what great music
[1:17:43] Speaker 6: can do later on.
[1:17:45] Speaker 2: You can end up in stadium.
[1:17:46] Speaker 6: You can end up, you know, a guy like Don Toliver,
[1:17:49] Speaker 6: who was probably, I don't see him doing a lot
[1:17:52] Speaker 6: of interviews.
[1:17:52] Speaker 4: Right, at all.
[1:17:53] Speaker 2: But he's going to give you an incredible project.
[1:17:56] Speaker 6: And then his production on stage, you know, visually, aesthetically,
[1:18:00] Speaker 6: is going to be something that, that you can be like, holy,
[1:18:02] Speaker 6: who is this kid?
[1:18:03] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:18:04] Speaker 6: So I think that we're seeing glimpses of what we
[1:18:06] Speaker 6: need to do and glimpses of what will happen if
[1:18:10] Speaker 6: you do certain things later on in your career where
[1:18:12] Speaker 6: it can take you. And I just think that for
[1:18:14] Speaker 6: the next generation now, we got to get back to
[1:18:17] Speaker 6: the nucleus of, yo, listen, just create from a place
[1:18:20] Speaker 6: of respecting the art, respecting the skill set, and being
[1:18:23] Speaker 6: true and passionate to who you are.
[1:18:25] Speaker 4: No, totally.
[1:18:26] Speaker 9: And I think you guys play a vital role in
[1:18:28] Speaker 9: it too, just media in general, because I feel.
[1:18:30] Speaker 4: Like critics are what drove rap for the longest.
[1:18:36] Speaker 9: They used to call them gatekeepers, but they were the
[1:18:39] Speaker 9: ones that kind of let us know the system of
[1:18:41] Speaker 9: checks and balances with this shit, right?
[1:18:42] Speaker 4: The truth of this shit is.
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: We need gatekeepers.
[1:18:44] Speaker 4: No, you have to.
[1:18:45] Speaker 6: It got a negative connotation for some reason, but I
[1:18:48] Speaker 6: feel like it's necessary to have gatekeepers.
[1:18:50] Speaker 2: In anything that's cultured.
[1:18:52] Speaker 9: Because there's no separation between an amateur and a professional
[1:18:55] Speaker 9: in rap.
[1:18:55] Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
[1:18:56] Speaker 9: Like- In basketball, there's high school, there's college, there's.
[1:19:00] Speaker 4: The D League until you get to the pros.
[1:19:01] Speaker 9: Here, you know, there's a guy that could try it
[1:19:04] Speaker 9: one time and be in the same league with somebody
[1:19:07] Speaker 9: that's tried for 15 years, right? But, you know, their
[1:19:10] Speaker 9: career may last a month and they're wondering why it
[1:19:12] Speaker 9: ends up like that. And there's, you know, the sour
[1:19:15] Speaker 9: taste in their mouth for them not, you know, for
[1:19:17] Speaker 9: them not being able to or them not having the
[1:19:20] Speaker 9: success or the successful career that they imagine to have.
[1:19:23] Speaker 4: Right, right.
[1:19:23] Speaker 9: A lot of that comes from the initial gatekeeping.
[1:19:26] Speaker 4: You know, it took money. It took time.
[1:19:27] Speaker 9: It took somebody saying, this ain't good enough to make
[1:19:30] Speaker 9: it out here now. But I think we're hearing everything,
[1:19:32] Speaker 9: whether it's good or bad.
[1:19:33] Speaker 8: You know what I mean?
[1:19:34] Speaker 4: And I don't know how good that is. Yeah.
[1:19:35] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: Because if I hit a lucky three. the league is
[1:19:38] Speaker 1: not going to take me.
[1:19:39] Speaker 3: No, at all.
[1:19:40] Speaker 2: I could put a lucky record out and I'd be
[1:19:42] Speaker 2: on Rolling Loud stage tomorrow.
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: Tomorrow. Tomorrow.
[1:19:44] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: I can get lucky fucking around in Pro Tools and
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: be on Rolling Loud stage tomorrow.
[1:19:49] Speaker 2: Artist development happens at Rolling Loud.
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:19:53] Speaker 4: No, that's it.
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: That's the first day. That's 101.
[1:19:54] Speaker 4: That's it.
[1:19:55] Speaker 2: We saw Ice Spice. I think her first performance.
[1:19:58] Speaker 6: Was Rolling Loud or something like that. And everybody was like, oh,
[1:20:01] Speaker 6: she's just twerking. She doesn't really know.
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: She looks uncomfortable. I'm like, fam, this is probably her
[1:20:05] Speaker 2: first show.
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:20:07] Speaker 6: We're seeing artist development happen at a festival, one of
[1:20:10] Speaker 6: the biggest festivals.
[1:20:12] Speaker 2: We've never seen that before.
[1:20:13] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:20:13] Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying? So I think that gatekeeping,
[1:20:16] Speaker 6: for whatever reason, people started to feel like, oh, they're
[1:20:19] Speaker 6: trying to keep people out and stuff. But you need
[1:20:22] Speaker 6: to because, like, to what you're saying, like, there needs
[1:20:25] Speaker 6: to be checks and balances.
[1:20:26] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: You need to be like, not yet. Not ready.
[1:20:29] Speaker 4: It's not time.
[1:20:30] Speaker 6: That's fire. Y'all should be checking this out. Like, I
[1:20:33] Speaker 6: think that you need those things. To me, it helps you,
[1:20:37] Speaker 6: you know, sift through the bullshit. It's going to, you know,
[1:20:40] Speaker 6: you're not going to waste your time. At one point,
[1:20:42] Speaker 6: I thought it was cool to be like, yo, here's
[1:20:43] Speaker 6: this unknown kid who can upload his album the same
[1:20:47] Speaker 6: day as Drake or Kendrick. Same platform, Apple, Spotify, have
[1:20:51] Speaker 6: his album right there. But then it got to a point.
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: Where it was like, maybe that's not a good thing.
[1:20:57] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[1:20:58] Speaker 6: Maybe they need to accomplish and do a little more
[1:21:01] Speaker 6: before they're able to do that.
[1:21:03] Speaker 9: Because your natural reaction is going to be, okay, like
[1:21:06] Speaker 9: you said, you're going to sift through product. So you
[1:21:09] Speaker 9: go and you see what's released on Friday and there's
[1:21:11] Speaker 9: 35 projects. So you listen to two of them, there's
[1:21:13] Speaker 9: 30 more rappers you got to listen to. If the
[1:21:16] Speaker 9: first two you listen to you don't like too, your
[1:21:18] Speaker 9: natural reaction Progression is to go back to what you
[1:21:20] Speaker 9: do like, and you have all that at your own disposal.
[1:21:22] Speaker 4: So you know what? All this shit don't sound good.
[1:21:25] Speaker 4: Put on Ready to Die.
[1:21:25] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:21:26] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? All this don't sound good.
[1:21:28] Speaker 4: I feel like listening to this this day.
[1:21:29] Speaker 2: Let me go back to what I know is good.
[1:21:31] Speaker 4: Exactly.
[1:21:31] Speaker 9: So, you know, I think right now discovery is the
[1:21:34] Speaker 9: hardest phase, man, because it's so much. And people are
[1:21:37] Speaker 9: so inclined to go back to what they know or
[1:21:39] Speaker 9: they're conditioned to like anyway.
[1:21:41] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:21:41] Speaker 4: And, you know, it's in the palm of your hand.
[1:21:43] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: And I mean, to your point with media being important,
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: I also like that there is a checks and balances
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: with media gatekeepers now. Like as annoying as it is
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: when you are in the media to have a bunch
[1:21:55] Speaker 1: of people kill you online. I like that outside of
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: some of the weirdo stands, people online will keep media
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: as honest as possible.
[1:22:02] Speaker 8: For sure.
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: They will get caught up before. If like I disagree
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: with Elliot Wilson when I was in high school. He
[1:22:08] Speaker 1: wouldn't hear about it. It would be us arguing about
[1:22:10] Speaker 1: it like, damn, oh, he's really tapped in with Shady.
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: He only puts Eminem and 50 Cent on the cover
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: of WWE. My voice was never heard in that regard,
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: and media didn't have to keep to that standard because
[1:22:21] Speaker 1: there was no one really having a voice to yell
[1:22:24] Speaker 1: at them about it. I like that there's checks and
[1:22:26] Speaker 1: balances with us now, too, even when I'm at the
[1:22:28] Speaker 1: butt of it.
[1:22:28] Speaker 2: Right. I think that's.
[1:22:30] Speaker 1: Great to still have gatekeepers, but I do like that
[1:22:32] Speaker 1: fans can call us out on our bullshit.
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: Yeah. Or our admitted biases or relationships we have. I
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: think that is great that the fans have that voice too.
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: As annoying as it can fucking be sometimes.
[1:22:44] Speaker 2: Yeah. No. It's necessary. And how many people I don't
[1:22:46] Speaker 2: think really.
[1:22:47] Speaker 1: even deserve an opinion because they don't give a fuck
[1:22:49] Speaker 1: they're just here to talk but right i think that's
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: important too with checks and balances like.
[1:22:53] Speaker 9: No that's real you don't have to hear all the
[1:22:54] Speaker 9: noise but it's good to hear some of it yeah
[1:22:56] Speaker 9: you need.
[1:22:56] Speaker 6: Some of it awesome so kyle with bars not dead
[1:22:59] Speaker 6: first of all i love the fact that.
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: It's 12 tracks i love that what because.
[1:23:04] Speaker 6: You get right to it don't give me 37 tracks
[1:23:07] Speaker 6: yeah we ain't having.
[1:23:09] Speaker 3: That yeah no i'm not i'm not listening to nothing
[1:23:11] Speaker 3: over 12.
[1:23:12] Speaker 2: Attention span is too short.
[1:23:15] Speaker 6: If you can't tell me what you need to tell
[1:23:17] Speaker 6: me in 12, 14 tracks, I'm not listening to.
[1:23:20] Speaker 2: The next 20 tracks. I'm just not going to do that.
[1:23:22] Speaker 7: It's over.
[1:23:23] Speaker 6: Is there anybody that you worked with on this project
[1:23:26] Speaker 6: that surprised you?
[1:23:28] Speaker 2: Like, damn, I like this dude, but he really performed
[1:23:32] Speaker 2: on this record.
[1:23:32] Speaker 6: Because I see you got Smoke Dizz on there, Ruben Vincent.
[1:23:42] Speaker 2: Ben Reilly. Suave. Suave, yeah. I like Suave a lot.
[1:23:45] Speaker 4: It's my guy.
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: Nico Grimm.
[1:23:46] Speaker 4: Akeem, is that the one?
[1:23:47] Speaker 8: No, that's not the one. Akeem is on the first one.
[1:23:49] Speaker 3: Okay. It would probably have been that one. But from
[1:23:53] Speaker 3: this project, I'd say Ben Reilly. I would say Ben
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: Reilly because I wasn't really super privy to his music.
[1:23:59] Speaker 3: Me and Ben might have really connected this year. But-
[1:24:06] Speaker 3: The verse he gave and just the way he kind
[1:24:08] Speaker 3: of carried it, it was just like, oh shit. Like
[1:24:09] Speaker 3: he matched the energy. I got a melodic hook on there.
[1:24:13] Speaker 3: Like he fit the bill so well. And the verse
[1:24:16] Speaker 3: is impeccable. I think that's probably who really surprised me.
[1:24:20] Speaker 3: Not to say that he not good or nothing, but
[1:24:23] Speaker 3: I wasn't really on to his music like that beforehand.
[1:24:26] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:24:26] Speaker 1: Is there some click that you have with Suave, Ruben?
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: I feel like y'all have been like on tour. Yeah,
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: now we working on Anala Simone. Generation now, Anala Simone.
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: Working on an honor roll project. It's a collective called
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: the Honor Roll.
[1:24:39] Speaker 3: It's me, Ben, Suave, Nico Brim, Marco Plus, Wynn, Ruben Vincent,
[1:24:44] Speaker 3: Chris Patrick, and Jordan Bell. And this is something that
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: Nyla has been trying to do for a little minute.
[1:24:50] Speaker 8: She tried it with just a bunch of us from
[1:24:53] Speaker 8: out here. That shit didn't work.
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: That shit didn't work that shit didn't work but a
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: little New Yorkism yeah man.
[1:25:03] Speaker 3: But she got it right the second time you know
[1:25:05] Speaker 3: that's why I keep trying.
[1:25:06] Speaker 1: Shit salute to her salute.
[1:25:07] Speaker 3: To Lila yeah it's coming together well too cause we
[1:25:10] Speaker 3: the chemistry is there with all of us I think
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: that's what makes this one yeah way better than the
[1:25:14] Speaker 3: first one it wasn't like the chemistry wasn't there but
[1:25:16] Speaker 3: it's just like now I think it's just everybody has
[1:25:20] Speaker 3: been somewhere before and we're all really trying to go
[1:25:24] Speaker 3: to the same thing and we're all adults and it's
[1:25:26] Speaker 3: just like, all right, bro, like, fuck with y'all.
[1:25:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:25:29] Speaker 8: Let's do this music. I hear that.
[1:25:32] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: Y'all have a different understanding now.
[1:25:34] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: But I mean, I think that shit is kind of
[1:25:37] Speaker 1: lost in current music now. I was watching Questlove. I
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: forgot what podcast he was on, but he was talking
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: about like the Geffen days when they were trying to
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: break the roots and he told whoever was the head
[1:25:48] Speaker 1: of Geffen at that point, like, You need to sign Bilal.
[1:25:50] Speaker 1: You need to sign Erica. You need to sign all.
[1:25:54] Speaker 1: We all need to be together. It's a specific niche
[1:25:58] Speaker 1: fan that we have. There's a million of them, but
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: it's still a very niche thing. We need to be
[1:26:03] Speaker 1: together even if we're not a clique. If Geffen wants
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: to succeed with the Roots, they got to sign people
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: like the Roots.
[1:26:09] Speaker 8: Absolutely.
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: So we can move around together. Put a tour together, openers.
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: That's the way it's going to work.
[1:26:14] Speaker 8: It's a lost culture, the collective culture.
[1:26:17] Speaker 3: I think her putting this collective together, especially with like,
[1:26:21] Speaker 3: ain't no slouches for real. We all can rap.
[1:26:24] Speaker 8: Good as fuck. Niggas just fly.
[1:26:26] Speaker 3: We have a girl, a part of it.
[1:26:28] Speaker 8: He's white.
[1:26:29] Speaker 2: That always helps.
[1:26:32] Speaker 8: You feel me? She can rap.
[1:26:33] Speaker 3: She can rap her ass off. Sorry, Wynn.
[1:26:36] Speaker 2: But yeah, Wynn can rap.
[1:26:37] Speaker 1: She can rap.
[1:26:38] Speaker 3: Then we have Nyla Simone, who's young, fresh energy in
[1:26:41] Speaker 3: New York, pushing the culture forward, however she can. You
[1:26:44] Speaker 3: feel me? So it's like, There's beauty in that. I
[1:26:48] Speaker 3: be telling, we all speak about it. We all feel
[1:26:50] Speaker 3: the same way, but it's just like, bro, we know
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: niggas are trying to get their own shit off every day.
[1:26:54] Speaker 3: Everybody got their own agenda, but it's like, this is
[1:26:57] Speaker 3: going to help all of us.
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: And on top of that, you have Lake Drama, then
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: you have Guru, you have 9th. Everyone else has their
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: own exact second cameo.
[1:27:07] Speaker 3: Everybody's going to be helped at the end of the day.
[1:27:09] Speaker 4: And all it's going to take for them is one
[1:27:10] Speaker 4: of them to get the attention.
[1:27:11] Speaker 9: And if they continue to work together, they can build
[1:27:13] Speaker 9: a little community around themselves. The same way you said
[1:27:15] Speaker 9: Geffen is. I think that's a lost start too, Rory,
[1:27:18] Speaker 9: when you just spoke to that. I think that's a
[1:27:20] Speaker 9: huge part of it. I think there's a few labels
[1:27:23] Speaker 9: that have done a really good job of curating a
[1:27:26] Speaker 9: sonic representation of who they are.
[1:27:28] Speaker 4: I think TDE is one of those companies.
[1:27:30] Speaker 2: QC was probably the last one on a major, major level.
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: Sonically, we know what we're getting.
[1:27:36] Speaker 9: QC and TDE really did a good job of doing that.
[1:27:40] Speaker 9: us as Generation Now, we're scattered. We did a good
[1:27:43] Speaker 9: job of building stars, but it's not necessarily like a
[1:27:46] Speaker 9: distinct sound.
[1:27:47] Speaker 4: You know, you're going to get.
[1:27:48] Speaker 9: Uzi and Jack sound totally different, Kai sounds different, you know,
[1:27:51] Speaker 9: but I think they've done a good job of really
[1:27:53] Speaker 9: like developing a sound saying like, this is the brand,
[1:27:55] Speaker 9: this is what it stands for.
[1:27:57] Speaker 4: And you know what you're going to get.
[1:27:58] Speaker 2: You know?
[1:27:59] Speaker 4: So I think that matters.
[1:28:00] Speaker 2: Is there any pressure?
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: Like, I'm sure Kai's not asked or anything, but pressure to,
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: because Generation Now is one of the few labels out
[1:28:07] Speaker 1: that is scattered in that way. Uzi sounds nothing like
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: Jack and vice versa. to merge, like, all right, we
[1:28:13] Speaker 1: need the Uzi feature. We need the Jack feature. Is
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: there pressure when you sign someone? Because that's kind of
[1:28:18] Speaker 1: how QC, because they had similar sounds, it was easy
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: to be like, all right, we signed City Girls, Cardi,
[1:28:22] Speaker 1: here we go. Is there pressure in that regard within, like,
[1:28:26] Speaker 1: label politics?
[1:28:28] Speaker 9: Not really, just because, unfortunately, like, Uzi never did that
[1:28:32] Speaker 9: for Jack, so Jack was like, I ain't doing that
[1:28:34] Speaker 9: shit for nobody either.
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: He's rapped about it.
[1:28:37] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:28:38] Speaker 9: Like I think, um, but, but one thing I can
[1:28:41] Speaker 9: say is, is like, jack himself he's been super receptive
[1:28:45] Speaker 9: to kai like and and always been super open-armed to
[1:28:47] Speaker 9: do you know what i mean so it's always been
[1:28:49] Speaker 9: cool but he's kind of been like yo i had
[1:28:51] Speaker 9: to get it on my own and i had to
[1:28:53] Speaker 9: get it when he was dissing them niggas you know
[1:28:54] Speaker 9: i'm saying so i think for him he's like look
[1:28:57] Speaker 9: you know if if when you need me and when
[1:28:59] Speaker 9: the timing is right he'll do it but i think
[1:29:01] Speaker 9: kai does a good job of standing on his own
[1:29:02] Speaker 9: you know i'm saying and it works but yeah It
[1:29:06] Speaker 9: would be great. I think the way we're structuring our
[1:29:08] Speaker 9: company in the future is, though, is like that.
[1:29:10] Speaker 4: Like, look, Kai's coming. Whether you like it or not,
[1:29:13] Speaker 4: my guy, you're going to have this feature.
[1:29:15] Speaker 2: Whether you like it or not, you're making a deal
[1:29:18] Speaker 2: so often.
[1:29:19] Speaker 3: Hey, whether you like it or not, he's singing a chorus,
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: all right?
[1:29:23] Speaker 1: You're going to paint your nails, too, for the following album.
[1:29:26] Speaker 9: But the truth is, while we're laughing about it, that
[1:29:29] Speaker 9: cohesion is what builds labels.
[1:29:30] Speaker 4: And builds companies.
[1:29:31] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:29:32] Speaker 4: That's how.
[1:29:33] Speaker 9: I knew Jewel was on death row. You know what
[1:29:35] Speaker 9: I mean? That's how you actually build the company. And
[1:29:38] Speaker 9: one good feature or one good representation on a song
[1:29:41] Speaker 9: can do a lot for him. And that may do a.
[1:29:43] Speaker 4: Lot for the next person too. So be a leader,
[1:29:45] Speaker 4: not a follower, bro.
[1:29:46] Speaker 3: No, 1,000%.
[1:29:47] Speaker 2: I'm here.
[1:29:47] Speaker 1: The rumor was when Jack moved to New York, Kyle
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: showed him around, showed.
[1:29:50] Speaker 2: Him the blue note.
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: Then he started wearing a hat.
[1:29:53] Speaker 3: That's what happened. When I bought Jack to the blue note,
[1:29:57] Speaker 3: I had the what's-her-name fit from the Monica cover.
[1:29:59] Speaker 8: I had that whole fit on me.
[1:30:03] Speaker 3: Everything changed crazy man shout out.
[1:30:04] Speaker 8: To jack yo jack is crazy that one right there.
[1:30:07] Speaker 10: Jack is having an amazing tour by the way look
[1:30:09] Speaker 10: at the way you're wearing your hat now we went
[1:30:11] Speaker 10: to we went to we went to uh me and
[1:30:13] Speaker 10: rory went to cole the night jack was i saw
[1:30:15] Speaker 10: y'all drive by yeah i definitely would have had we
[1:30:19] Speaker 10: known i would have pulled.
[1:30:20] Speaker 4: Up to the jack yeah go see my guy man
[1:30:22] Speaker 4: i want to.
[1:30:22] Speaker 2: See him i've never seen jack perform like i definitely
[1:30:24] Speaker 2: want to see him perform and.
[1:30:25] Speaker 9: He does a good job album the way he the
[1:30:27] Speaker 9: twitter did that what's crazy is the album isn't really
[1:30:30] Speaker 9: like i know people it's not bad it's not a
[1:30:32] Speaker 9: bad album at all it's actually that's what it was
[1:30:35] Speaker 9: it's not a bad album it's actually sonically a good
[1:30:37] Speaker 9: album dude is a musician bro he's really good yeah.
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: I'm gonna see a lot the tour's not done right
[1:30:42] Speaker 1: no and he's found a way to integrate the the
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: singing shit with the uh with the rap shit.
[1:30:46] Speaker 2: Yeah so Nah, I'll fuck with Jack, man. That sound
[1:30:49] Speaker 2: just wasn't effective.
[1:30:50] Speaker 8: One of them pictures was crazy.
[1:30:52] Speaker 3: One of them pictures was mad funny.
[1:30:57] Speaker 2: Go back again.
[1:30:59] Speaker 8: Go there.
[1:30:59] Speaker 3: It's the one, the out now Monica joint. Oh, that's sick.
[1:31:01] Speaker 2: In the middle.
[1:31:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, that one's sick.
[1:31:04] Speaker 4: That is fire.
[1:31:04] Speaker 1: That shit fire.
[1:31:07] Speaker 8: Shout out my dog.
[1:31:08] Speaker 2: Jack, that's the word.
[1:31:11] Speaker 4: True artistry because he's standing next to it. He ain't
[1:31:13] Speaker 4: changed hats yet.
[1:31:13] Speaker 8: Super intentional.
[1:31:15] Speaker 4: It's intentional as hell. That's one thing I respect about him.
[1:31:18] Speaker 9: Whether y'all like it or not, this is what I'm
[1:31:20] Speaker 9: doing and I think this shit is dope.
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: I have to see the inner brim of the hat.
[1:31:26] Speaker 2: Like does it got the sweat marks or is he
[1:31:28] Speaker 2: buying new.
[1:31:28] Speaker 9: Ones no it's official two stick roots some of those
[1:31:33] Speaker 9: hats are like the joints you get from.
[1:31:35] Speaker 3: The military supply store the army navy stores yeah hell
[1:31:39] Speaker 3: yeah army navy.
[1:31:51] Speaker 8: That's hilarious.
[1:31:52] Speaker 2: We out here.
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: Kyle, you saw the comments that Vince Staples was making
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: about his rollout with his last project of not really
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: wanting to do media. Cause nobody really.
[1:32:02] Speaker 2: Talks about music.
[1:32:03] Speaker 8: I don't blame him.
[1:32:04] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:32:05] Speaker 2: I don't blame him.
[1:32:05] Speaker 3: Cause it's just like, I'm sitting on a couch.
[1:32:07] Speaker 2: I'm in a dog.
[1:32:07] Speaker 3: I'm about to break it down right now. I'm in
[1:32:09] Speaker 3: a different space.
[1:32:10] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:32:11] Speaker 3: Y'all gonna see me. I want y'all to see me everywhere.
[1:32:14] Speaker 3: Vince is not in the space. I mean, he don't
[1:32:15] Speaker 3: need that shit.
[1:32:16] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:32:16] Speaker 3: We already know Vince Staples from all his interviews. Anyway,
[1:32:19] Speaker 3: it's just like, bro, he's a seriously funny nigga. Both.
[1:32:22] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:32:22] Speaker 3: No pun intended.
[1:32:23] Speaker 4: And.
[1:32:27] Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry. I was just, I just wanted him
[1:32:29] Speaker 5: to read the quote so that they had context for it.
[1:32:31] Speaker 2: But you could keep talking.
[1:32:32] Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
[1:32:32] Speaker 2: I didn't mean for you to try.
[1:32:34] Speaker 3: I didn't mean for you to see me. I'm sorry.
[1:32:36] Speaker 8: Finally, she speaks.
[1:32:37] Speaker 4: Okay, there we go.
[1:32:38] Speaker 3: But yeah, I just feel like, you know, when you
[1:32:42] Speaker 3: get to a certain level, you don't have to do
[1:32:45] Speaker 3: the things. You don't have to play the game, I
[1:32:47] Speaker 3: don't think.
[1:32:47] Speaker 8: For sure.
[1:32:48] Speaker 2: You definitely don't have to play the game when you
[1:32:49] Speaker 2: reach a level. I just don't think you have.
[1:32:51] Speaker 8: To play the game.
[1:32:51] Speaker 4: But question for you though. Sorry about that. These guys
[1:32:55] Speaker 4: are sitting with you right now, right?
[1:32:56] Speaker 5: When you.
[1:32:58] Speaker 4: Need it per se, right?
[1:32:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:33:01] Speaker 4: When they need you, why is it not reciprocated?
[1:33:05] Speaker 3: Do they need Vince Staples?
[1:33:07] Speaker 4: I think they deserve to do an interview with Vince.
[1:33:08] Speaker 3: Staples if they want to. I'm not even talking about
[1:33:10] Speaker 3: y'all in particular. I'm just saying in general, just media
[1:33:13] Speaker 3: in general. I don't feel like media is just like, oh,
[1:33:16] Speaker 3: we need to get Vince Staples up here.
[1:33:18] Speaker 2: To what Lake is saying, some platforms may need a
[1:33:20] Speaker 2: Vince Staples.
[1:33:21] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[1:33:23] Speaker 3: Okay, that changes my... It makes it a little different,
[1:33:25] Speaker 3: but I'm a different person.
[1:33:26] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:33:26] Speaker 3: Because if that's the energy, then it's like, yeah, I
[1:33:29] Speaker 3: fuck with Roy and Ma. I go up there. I'm
[1:33:30] Speaker 3: not going everywhere. Yeah, for sure.
[1:33:33] Speaker 1: I would love a Vince interview just because I fuck
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: with Vince as a human being. I think he's hilarious, intelligent, everything.
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: I think him up here would be dope too. But
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: at the same time... a lot of podcast listenership has
[1:33:44] Speaker 1: become fans of podcasts, not fans of music.
[1:33:47] Speaker 2: So I agree with what he's saying.
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: Sometimes when we get on like nerdy music shit or
[1:33:51] Speaker 1: want to have guests like you of artists that we like,
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: our fans are like, man, get to the headlines. Like
[1:33:58] Speaker 1: we want to hear y'all talk about this interview. We're
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: proud that a lot of our listeners like, We pride
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: ourselves in that. We still do have a listenership that
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: loves music, loves music discovery, but I'd be lying if
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: the podcast space in general is not a bunch of
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: podcast fans, not music fans. When we started podcasting, we
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: got music fans to listen. That has now, because podcasting
[1:34:22] Speaker 1: became so big, They're content fans.
[1:34:24] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:34:25] Speaker 2: That's what they're looking for.
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: And even if we have a super big guest, a
[1:34:29] Speaker 1: lot of times they're like, we just want to hear
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: y'all talk.
[1:34:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to hear the news. This is dang
[1:34:34] Speaker 4: good like urban news to an extent.
[1:34:36] Speaker 8: He's looking for the clip. That's all they looking for.
[1:34:38] Speaker 1: I hear Vince, especially if you put all this work
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: and poured your fucking soul into a project and they're
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: just going to ask him about. headline shit like no.
[1:34:49] Speaker 3: Even what he said i get the breakfast club you
[1:34:51] Speaker 3: sit down and you eat hot wings it's just.
[1:34:53] Speaker 10: Like yo it's not a hot wing at the breakfast
[1:34:57] Speaker 10: club but i'm.
[1:34:57] Speaker 3: Sure yeah i get what but i i understand what
[1:35:00] Speaker 3: you're trying to do but it's just like yeah for
[1:35:01] Speaker 3: some people that'd be like nigga i didn't come here
[1:35:03] Speaker 3: to eat.
[1:35:04] Speaker 6: Events events events events uh interview is is gold because
[1:35:09] Speaker 6: vince is so intelligent so raw and honest um and
[1:35:14] Speaker 6: funny without trying to be yeah But aside from that,
[1:35:18] Speaker 6: he's a super, super talented artist. And some of the
[1:35:21] Speaker 6: conversations we've had with Vince on personal time, away from
[1:35:25] Speaker 6: the cameras, I wish there was a camera roll him first.
[1:35:27] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:35:28] Speaker 8: Nah, he's classic.
[1:35:29] Speaker 2: Real shit. Wish people could hear. It was just me mauled.
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: Vince and his engineer in the studio for three hours
[1:35:35] Speaker 1: that would have been the greatest podcast of all time
[1:35:36] Speaker 1: yeah but there's a reason why it wasn't.
[1:35:38] Speaker 6: There's a reason why that's not going to change the
[1:35:41] Speaker 6: whole trajectory a lot of people will be upset a
[1:35:44] Speaker 6: lot of you know a lot of business might go
[1:35:45] Speaker 6: away right you know what i'm saying so it's like
[1:35:48] Speaker 6: but it's like you know it's up because.
[1:35:50] Speaker 1: And not because he was being messy sorry no no
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: not because it was like messy or like rappers names
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: no i was just a really good conversation that i
[1:35:57] Speaker 1: don't think you get sometimes when there's three cameras lights
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: And you're.
[1:36:00] Speaker 2: Seeing people in the background.
[1:36:04] Speaker 4: How do y'all question for y'all? How do y'all feel
[1:36:06] Speaker 4: about the podcast space?
[1:36:07] Speaker 9: Because like, Again, there's really no system of checks and
[1:36:11] Speaker 9: balances in y'all's shit either, right?
[1:36:13] Speaker 2: For sure.
[1:36:14] Speaker 1: Our checks and balances is Damaris and Peach.
[1:36:17] Speaker 4: Okay, there we go. There we go.
[1:36:18] Speaker 9: But a guy could just get a mic and turn
[1:36:21] Speaker 9: the screen on and start a podcast tomorrow.
[1:36:24] Speaker 2: Oh, have a blast.
[1:36:25] Speaker 3: Try.
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: Go ahead.
[1:36:27] Speaker 2: That's how I feel about the music shit.
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: This isn't an arrogant thing whatsoever, because I know I
[1:36:31] Speaker 1: have room for improvement with everything. But no, that doesn't
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: scare me that anyone could just go get a microphone
[1:36:38] Speaker 1: at Best Buy and start talking.
[1:36:41] Speaker 2: If you guys think it's that fucking easy, do it
[1:36:43] Speaker 2: for 10 years. Let me know how far you get.
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: That's how we feel.
[1:36:50] Speaker 2: I like the fact that people are trying something. I'm
[1:36:53] Speaker 2: never mad at that.
[1:36:54] Speaker 6: I think that we wouldn't be where we are if
[1:36:56] Speaker 6: we didn't try something.
[1:36:59] Speaker 2: It's always room for people trying.
[1:37:01] Speaker 6: I think that people need to understand the consistency that
[1:37:05] Speaker 6: it takes, though, in order to sustain a certain level
[1:37:09] Speaker 6: of longevity is just the work you have to put in.
[1:37:12] Speaker 6: So I'm not, I don't, you know, people, podcasts pop
[1:37:15] Speaker 6: up every day.
[1:37:16] Speaker 2: I love it, man.
[1:37:17] Speaker 6: Because sometimes you'll find something like, oh, okay, I like
[1:37:20] Speaker 6: this person's opinion and their point of view and things
[1:37:22] Speaker 6: like that. And sometimes you can tell, like, this person
[1:37:25] Speaker 6: is just swinging, just trying something. You know what I'm saying?
[1:37:28] Speaker 6: And again, I respect all of that. So I don't
[1:37:30] Speaker 6: feel no type of way about that. I just, I
[1:37:32] Speaker 6: hate when I see rappers start podcasts because I already
[1:37:35] Speaker 6: know what that's going to do. They're going to be like, oh,
[1:37:37] Speaker 6: if I could make money doing this, I'm not putting
[1:37:39] Speaker 6: out music no more. And it's like, no, but we
[1:37:42] Speaker 6: still need music though. From certain people, we need music.
[1:37:46] Speaker 2: You need to keep putting out music.
[1:37:47] Speaker 1: We see it with the athletes going into the space too.
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: Sometimes it works out great and you're Tony Romo. Sometimes
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: it doesn't. And that's going to happen within rappers and
[1:37:59] Speaker 1: musicians doing podcasting and vice versa. That's Some are going
[1:38:02] Speaker 1: to work, some aren't, but it's a booming space. That's
[1:38:05] Speaker 1: what's going to happen.
[1:38:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's true.
[1:38:07] Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, you're going to end up on
[1:38:08] Speaker 1: the Rolling Loud stage.
[1:38:10] Speaker 8: Right, eventually.
[1:38:11] Speaker 2: It'll be a cool month.
[1:38:12] Speaker 3: Eventually.
[1:38:13] Speaker 2: Will you maintain it? I don't know what to tell you. No,
[1:38:15] Speaker 2: that's true.
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: Because I mean, when we did it, we hit every
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: single stage. We did this shit live. We did the
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: underground rapper ascension with podcasting.
[1:38:27] Speaker 4: Y'all took the stairs.
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: Like we've been on the road for six years straight
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: doing this shit. Like that's why it's a little different
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: with even if our core fan base is not as
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: big as the clickbaity person that has it that month,
[1:38:38] Speaker 1: I know our core comes from 10 years of podcasting.
[1:38:40] Speaker 1: Like they've been with us. Like pause, we've touched people
[1:38:43] Speaker 1: in every city. Like we, we did what I think
[1:38:47] Speaker 1: the big three rappers did in the beginning of their careers,
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: but in a podcast, which I don't think content creators
[1:38:53] Speaker 1: view it that way anymore. And maybe you don't need to,
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: but that was our grind. And I think it paid
[1:38:59] Speaker 1: off better in that way than just, you know, saying
[1:39:02] Speaker 1: the wildest shit. in your crib with a microphone. That's true.
[1:39:06] Speaker 2: So Kyle, what's next, man? Bar's Not Dead available now.
[1:39:09] Speaker 2: You hitting the road? You hitting the stages?
[1:39:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, we planning to show. Really just working on the
[1:39:14] Speaker 3: next project. Bar's Not Dead, the series just comes from
[1:39:17] Speaker 3: us getting.
[1:39:18] Speaker 8: The album together. Just want to put some music out there.
[1:39:21] Speaker 8: Put some raps out there.
[1:39:22] Speaker 3: I love to rap so much that it's just like,
[1:39:24] Speaker 3: let's put something into the world for people to listen to.
[1:39:28] Speaker 2: Who are you waiting to rap with, though? If you
[1:39:30] Speaker 2: haven't rapped with yet.
[1:39:31] Speaker 3: To be honest, bro, I want to rap with a
[1:39:36] Speaker 3: lot of people. I want to rap with niggas like Dot.
[1:39:39] Speaker 3: I would love to rap with a nigga like Cole.
[1:39:43] Speaker 3: I would love to rap with a nigga like Hov.
[1:39:45] Speaker 8: I don't know.
[1:39:45] Speaker 3: I don't think that's ever going to happen, though.
[1:39:47] Speaker 2: You put it on the whiteboard, though. Yeah.
[1:39:49] Speaker 3: It's possible.
[1:39:50] Speaker 8: It's possible, yeah. Niggas is getting older, man. I want
[1:39:55] Speaker 8: to rap with Monaleo. I think she's super tough.
[1:39:58] Speaker 2: I like her.
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: Who else?
[1:40:01] Speaker 8: I want to rap with Tyler, the creator. Fuck with Tyler.
[1:40:05] Speaker 4: That's attainable.
[1:40:06] Speaker 8: Yeah, facts.
[1:40:10] Speaker 2: Nobody from the city?
[1:40:12] Speaker 8: From the city?
[1:40:12] Speaker 3: I feel like I rapped. From the city, I already
[1:40:17] Speaker 3: got shit coming out with people from the city that
[1:40:20] Speaker 3: I wanted to rap with. We got this thing, me, Fergie, BMO,
[1:40:26] Speaker 3: Ryan Witherspoon.
[1:40:27] Speaker 8: That's a lot of us. We about to put something together.
[1:40:29] Speaker 2: I like Ryan. Is he from Brooklyn, too?
[1:40:30] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:40:31] Speaker 2: I like him.
[1:40:31] Speaker 8: We got something that we putting together. I would love
[1:40:38] Speaker 8: to rap with Future. I think that would be fun.
[1:40:40] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:40:41] Speaker 2: Really?
[1:40:41] Speaker 8: Future, Pluto would be fun. I would rap with Carable.
[1:40:44] Speaker 3: I'm into stuff like that. People wouldn't think it, but
[1:40:48] Speaker 3: you getting a call from me, I'm probably not going
[1:40:49] Speaker 3: to play what you think I'm going.
[1:40:50] Speaker 4: To play ever.
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: I'm going to sound like a hater. I still don't
[1:40:54] Speaker 1: get the Carable thing.
[1:40:55] Speaker 3: I've even tried.
[1:40:56] Speaker 2: It ain't for everybody. I've tried to convince myself. I've
[1:40:58] Speaker 2: even tried.
[1:40:58] Speaker 3: I would just want to do it just because.
[1:41:01] Speaker 2: I don't want to do it.
[1:41:02] Speaker 8: You feel me?
[1:41:02] Speaker 3: Like, I'm open to rapping with anybody.
[1:41:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:41:06] Speaker 3: Just for the sake of me just showing off, for one.
[1:41:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:41:08] Speaker 3: But for two, like, just to say that I did it, like,
[1:41:11] Speaker 3: let's rap.
[1:41:12] Speaker 8: Let's rap.
[1:41:12] Speaker 2: I hear that. Do you prefer the Atlanta scene or
[1:41:16] Speaker 2: New York scene music-wise?
[1:41:18] Speaker 1: Because, I mean, you've been in both.
[1:41:19] Speaker 3: New York scene, for sure. New York scene, it's just,
[1:41:22] Speaker 3: you can just go anywhere and it's just there. Atlanta
[1:41:25] Speaker 3: is like, It's kind.
[1:41:27] Speaker 8: Of like the who's who's a little bit.
[1:41:29] Speaker 3: You got to know where to go because you can
[1:41:30] Speaker 3: go places. You can end up in the wrong place
[1:41:32] Speaker 3: a lot of the time.
[1:41:33] Speaker 4: That's a fact.
[1:41:34] Speaker 3: New York is just like, maybe it's because I'm from here.
[1:41:36] Speaker 3: I know where to go. I know where not to go.
[1:41:37] Speaker 3: I don't want to go, rather. It's just like, I
[1:41:41] Speaker 3: know where everything is at. So it's easier for me
[1:41:45] Speaker 3: on that scene.
[1:41:46] Speaker 2: I hear that.
[1:41:47] Speaker 4: I hear that.
[1:41:48] Speaker 6: Well, Lake, man, we appreciate y'all for pulling up, man. Drama,
[1:41:51] Speaker 6: hopefully you somewhere healing up. Todd Cash, Bars Not Dead,
[1:41:56] Speaker 6: available now.
[1:41:57] Speaker 2: Get that, stream that.
[1:41:59] Speaker 6: Real Rap is still alive. Bars Are Not Dead. We
[1:42:04] Speaker 6: appreciate y'all pulling up, man. And next time we in Atlanta,
[1:42:06] Speaker 6: we got to come pull up on y'all.
[1:42:07] Speaker 4: No, absolutely, man. Come here to Actual Project. Looking forward
[1:42:10] Speaker 4: to it. We'll be announcing our new label home real soon.
[1:42:14] Speaker 4: Looking forward to that.
[1:42:15] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:42:16] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:42:17] Speaker 4: Keep streaming Spin That.
[1:42:19] Speaker 2: Keep streaming Spin That.
[1:42:20] Speaker 4: Keep streaming Spin That.
[1:42:22] Speaker 8: Shout out Miami.
[1:42:23] Speaker 2: Is the Jeezy residency over?
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: No.
[1:42:26] Speaker 4: We just added nine dates.
[1:42:28] Speaker 2: In Vegas still? Yeah.
[1:42:29] Speaker 4: So there's four dates in November and there's five dates
[1:42:32] Speaker 4: in December.
[1:42:33] Speaker 2: I got to catch one.
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: We supposed to be in Vegas in November.
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to catch one.
[1:42:37] Speaker 8: I love to have y'all out. The F1 shit?
[1:42:39] Speaker 4: I got to check.
[1:42:39] Speaker 9: I'll send y'all the dates, but I'd love to have
[1:42:41] Speaker 9: y'all out, man.
[1:42:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, man. I got to catch one because I thought
[1:42:44] Speaker 2: I saw.
[1:42:46] Speaker 2: Was brawn at one of the shows.
[1:42:47] Speaker 9: So he so the last date that everybody thought was
[1:42:49] Speaker 9: august okay that's what it was okay he got the.
[1:42:51] Speaker 4: Key to the city in vegas and then brawn um
[1:42:55] Speaker 4: announced the other nine.
[1:42:56] Speaker 9: Days that he had okay so yeah the last date
[1:42:58] Speaker 9: is new year's eve um at planet hollywood but yeah
[1:43:01] Speaker 9: that's been amazing man just to.
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: I gotta catch i mean i went to the one
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: at the apollo oh.
[1:43:05] Speaker 9: Yeah this this one is this one is 10 times
[1:43:08] Speaker 9: beyond it like what what he did just from a
[1:43:11] Speaker 9: From a production standpoint, like for real, just shout out
[1:43:14] Speaker 9: to the team, shout out to him, shout out to Naima. Like, bro,
[1:43:17] Speaker 9: they just, what's built, it's so hard to explain, bro,
[1:43:22] Speaker 9: but it's really refreshing to see it.
[1:43:24] Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
[1:43:24] Speaker 9: Because again, you're in there in a tuxedo saying the
[1:43:27] Speaker 9: most gangsta shit.
[1:43:28] Speaker 2: Ever, bro. And it's like- That's why I got to
[1:43:30] Speaker 2: catch it. I got to see that.
[1:43:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing.
[1:43:32] Speaker 2: That's just such a cool thing to see.
[1:43:33] Speaker 4: And we bring somebody out every week, like you never
[1:43:36] Speaker 4: know who it's going to be. You know what I'm saying?
[1:43:37] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
[1:43:38] Speaker 2: I saw L.A.
[1:43:38] Speaker 1: Lake for the first time at the Apollo.
[1:43:40] Speaker 4: You did.
[1:43:41] Speaker 7: L.A.
[1:43:41] Speaker 2: Lake. You did. No, listen, I know Lake has been
[1:43:44] Speaker 2: nothing but kind.
[1:43:44] Speaker 1: I was like, that's how I know Lake.
[1:43:47] Speaker 2: I saw L.A.
[1:43:48] Speaker 7: Lake.
[1:43:48] Speaker 1: Against security. And I was like, oh, okay, my bad.
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: I wasn't familiar with your game.
[1:43:53] Speaker 2: I didn't.
[1:43:54] Speaker 4: We don't ever want to expose that part, man. We
[1:43:57] Speaker 4: want to be a cool business.
[1:43:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, at all times, man. Yeah, at all times. It's
[1:44:00] Speaker 2: still tough in here.
[1:44:01] Speaker 5: Always.
[1:44:02] Speaker 4: It's tough in there still.
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, always.
[1:44:05] Speaker 2: Always. But we definitely going to catch one of them
[1:44:07] Speaker 2: Jeezy shows, man. We're going to catch one of them
[1:44:09] Speaker 2: Jeezy shows in Vegas.
[1:44:10] Speaker 4: Can't wait.
[1:44:10] Speaker 6: That's Kai Cash, Lake Sheezy, Generation Now, Boss Not Dead, available.
[1:44:14] Speaker 2: Go get that.

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