# The Women of Work In Progress

An episode of [Drama Queens](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1571792783), 29 Sep 2026, 25 min.

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Who doesn't need friendship, fierce honesty, big laughs, and some seriously unforgettable moments? In honor of International Women’s Friendship Month, we’re revisiting some of our favorite conversations with the women who have made Work in Progress a true labor of love. Hear from Dr. Jill Biden, Rosie O'Donnell, Laverne Cox, Leslie Jones, and Brooke Shields. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hi friends.
[0:19] Speaker 2: Did you know September is considered International Women's Friendship Month?
[0:23] Speaker 2: So it feels like the perfect opportunity to recognize and
[0:26] Speaker 2: honor the incredible women in our lives. and celebrate the friendships, connections,
[0:31] Speaker 2: and stories that make each of them oh so special.
[0:35] Speaker 2: Over the years, I have had so many talented, fierce, inspiring, funny,
[0:41] Speaker 2: just amazing women on this podcast. Their wisdom and candor,
[0:46] Speaker 2: their humor and grace has stayed with me so long
[0:51] Speaker 2: after each of those conversations ended. So today's episode is
[0:55] Speaker 2: a special collection. of some of my favorite moments and
[0:58] Speaker 2: highlights from those amazing women and those very meaningful conversations.
[1:05] Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy looking back with me and maybe
[1:07] Speaker 2: you'll hear something that inspires you, makes you laugh, or
[1:11] Speaker 2: reminds you of an incredible woman in your own life.
[1:25] Speaker 2: I'm curious about something because obviously part of writing a
[1:29] Speaker 2: memoir is looking back and you have such an incredible
[1:33] Speaker 2: life to look back at, all of your service, all
[1:36] Speaker 2: of your teaching, but before that, before you were Dr.
[1:41] Speaker 1: Biden or Mrs.
[1:43] Speaker 2: Biden in class to someone, I'm curious about you when
[1:46] Speaker 2: you were somebody's student. When you think about your life,
[1:52] Speaker 2: if you could walk out in front of this building
[1:55] Speaker 2: and run into yourself at.
[1:56] Speaker 1: 10 years old.
[1:57] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
[1:59] Speaker 2: Do you think that little girl would see herself in you?
[2:02] Speaker 1: Would you see yourself in her?
[2:04] Speaker 4: Well, I can, I never would have predicted how far.
[2:10] Speaker 3: My life took.
[2:11] Speaker 4: I mean, quite honestly. You know, I grew up really
[2:14] Speaker 4: in an idyllic, I mean, idyllic childhood. I just had,
[2:20] Speaker 4: my parents were really young. They were lots of fun.
[2:23] Speaker 4: I mean, we would have tomato fights during the summer
[2:26] Speaker 4: out on the lawn. You know, having four sisters was
[2:32] Speaker 4: just so great. And I loved school when I was
[2:37] Speaker 4: in those early years. By high school, I was cutting
[2:39] Speaker 4: class like the rest of everybody else.
[2:42] Speaker 1: She's a good time, you guys.
[2:43] Speaker 4: Yeah, so sneaking out, you know, to go eat a hoagie.
[2:47] Speaker 5: Anyway, so.
[2:51] Speaker 4: But my 10-year-old self, I don't think I've changed all
[2:55] Speaker 4: that much. I mean, I still love to read, and
[3:02] Speaker 4: I love to write, and so I don't think I've
[3:05] Speaker 4: changed that much, no.
[3:07] Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, especially given the life.
[3:11] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[3:12] Speaker 2: I'm curious why this felt like the time, because View
[3:17] Speaker 2: from the East Wing is, it's personal, it's historic. Did
[3:22] Speaker 2: you just kind of feel ready to put it all
[3:25] Speaker 2: out there, given the state of the world in 2026?
[3:27] Speaker 4: You know, I was definitely ready to put it out.
[3:30] Speaker 4: And when Joe got out of office, I just felt
[3:34] Speaker 4: that so many people went out and wrote books. And
[3:39] Speaker 4: I read parts of many of them. And I saw
[3:43] Speaker 4: things that weren't true or had been misconstrued. And I thought,
[3:48] Speaker 4: I want to write my own reflections of how I
[3:52] Speaker 4: saw things. And that encompassed the whole four years. It
[3:58] Speaker 4: encompassed travel, state dinners, Camp David, teaching, all the things
[4:04] Speaker 4: I did. And then I included the chapters that were
[4:08] Speaker 4: the really hard ones to write about Joe getting out.
[4:12] Speaker 4: But I want you to know, because many of you.
[4:14] Speaker 6: Have not read the book, it's not a political book.
[4:18] Speaker 4: It's a book about.
[4:21] Speaker 4: Like you're saying, an ordinary woman who was given the
[4:26] Speaker 4: opportunity to live an extraordinary life. And it's my reflections
[4:31] Speaker 4: on that.
[4:37] Speaker 2: If I were in the totally emotionally raw sci-fi movie
[4:41] Speaker 2: of my dreams, myself today would walk onto a playground
[4:49] Speaker 2: in Manhattan and meet up with my nine year old
[4:53] Speaker 2: self and what would that be like? And I, I
[4:56] Speaker 2: think it's actually so profound that you say that that
[5:00] Speaker 2: little girl might be so blown away by the possibility
[5:03] Speaker 2: and maybe a little afraid of it. It's because it's
[5:06] Speaker 2: one of the things I've come to wonder about why
[5:10] Speaker 2: there is so much of a reaction. to trans folks.
[5:16] Speaker 2: And I think about this a lot, and I think
[5:19] Speaker 2: I really related it. I'm going to show the people
[5:21] Speaker 2: at home because the book is called Transcendent.
[5:24] Speaker 1: And I know.
[5:25] Speaker 2: When this airs, it will have just been out for
[5:28] Speaker 2: a few weeks.
[5:29] Speaker 1: So if you don't have a copy yet, what are
[5:30] Speaker 1: you doing?
[5:31] Speaker 2: But when I looked at the title, I thought about
[5:34] Speaker 2: it because transcendence as a concept is holy. It's very spiritual.
[5:43] Speaker 2: The idea that you can transcend something is about transformation.
[5:49] Speaker 2: Transformation is alchemy. Alchemy is magic. I believe for myself,
[5:55] Speaker 2: the experience of my life in our community and the
[5:59] Speaker 2: blessings I have as a cis person, as a queer
[6:03] Speaker 2: cis person having trans friends, is that of all of
[6:08] Speaker 2: us on earth, trans people are miracles. I think people
[6:12] Speaker 2: are afraid of trans people because limits don't exist in
[6:17] Speaker 2: the same way. The stories humans have told themselves, you know,
[6:21] Speaker 2: are not all that's true.
[6:23] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[6:24] Speaker 2: And you're so in touch with the essence of humanity
[6:27] Speaker 2: itself as a big concept. Freedom as a permission slip,
[6:32] Speaker 2: not an idea. And I think for people who are
[6:34] Speaker 2: not free, that is frightening.
[6:37] Speaker 7: Absolutely.
[6:38] Speaker 8: A lot of the reason that I'm there's the backlash
[6:41] Speaker 8: against trans people specifically. And first is because we kind
[6:48] Speaker 8: of are the solution, we're the answer, right? Like if
[6:53] Speaker 8: I can be assigned male at birth and told I'm
[6:57] Speaker 8: male and I'm supposed to dress this way, act this way,
[7:00] Speaker 8: live this way, and I say, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[7:05] Speaker 8: that's not true. I am actually, I was, I was
[7:09] Speaker 8: assigned male, but I've always been a girl and now
[7:12] Speaker 8: I'm a woman and I can make the choice to
[7:17] Speaker 8: live in that truth. And after a lot of struggles,
[7:21] Speaker 8: years of struggle that you read about in the book,
[7:23] Speaker 8: I can get to a place where I am living
[7:26] Speaker 8: in my truth and like throw off those shackles that
[7:29] Speaker 8: people have sort of put on me. I can, I
[7:31] Speaker 8: can transcend your ideas of who you think I'm supposed
[7:34] Speaker 8: to be. And if I can do it, you as
[7:39] Speaker 8: a cis person, Sophia, can do it. And a non-queer
[7:43] Speaker 8: cis woman or man can also do it. It doesn't
[7:46] Speaker 8: have to look like being trans, but you don't have
[7:49] Speaker 8: to subscribe to what people tell you that men and
[7:53] Speaker 8: women should be and should do. And that is a
[7:55] Speaker 8: threat to the patriarchal system. And particularly in this fascist
[8:03] Speaker 8: Christian nationalist moment, it is a threat to the fascism
[8:07] Speaker 8: that they're trying to.
[8:08] Speaker 6: Sort of roll in.
[8:10] Speaker 8: Patriarchy is essential to fascism.
[8:13] Speaker 6: And so.
[8:14] Speaker 8: we see, I don't think it's all connected for me.
[8:17] Speaker 8: I don't think it's a mistake that when we have
[8:20] Speaker 8: all this anti-trans bigotry, there's a rolling back of reproductive rights, right?
[8:26] Speaker 8: All these hurdles to getting reproductive care. Florida is such
[8:31] Speaker 8: a great example of so much of this. But in Florida,
[8:33] Speaker 8: for example, only doctors can administer gender-affirming care when 80%
[8:41] Speaker 8: of transgender Floridians receive their gender-forming care from nurse practitioners.
[8:45] Speaker 6: So effectively, 80%.
[8:50] Speaker 8: Of trans people who live in Florida can access gender-forming care.
[8:53] Speaker 8: That's children and adults. So that's one of those sort
[8:56] Speaker 8: of trap laws that they use to kind of deny
[9:01] Speaker 8: us health care. And so that is not disconnected from racism,
[9:05] Speaker 8: from sexism.
[9:07] Speaker 6: It's all connected.
[9:09] Speaker 1: Men are so embarrassing.
[9:12] Speaker 6: And I would just check the phone. I wouldn't fuck
[9:15] Speaker 6: you with my enemies. Go away. You know, I was
[9:18] Speaker 6: just like, you know, and I would make them laugh,
[9:20] Speaker 6: but like, you'll never touch me. Like, you know what
[9:22] Speaker 6: I'm saying? You have to. It's just so many things
[9:25] Speaker 6: that I was learning in that three months. Yeah.
[9:27] Speaker 9: I remember talking to a veteran. And I was like,
[9:29] Speaker 9: how long is it going to take me to make it?
[9:31] Speaker 9: I was like, how long is it going to take
[9:33] Speaker 9: me to be like the funniest bitch? Because I really
[9:35] Speaker 9: wanted to be funny. I made a prayer to God
[9:38] Speaker 9: before I started. I said, if I'm not funny, then,
[9:41] Speaker 9: you know, let me still be in the field. But
[9:43] Speaker 9: if I want to be a comedian, if I'm funny,
[9:46] Speaker 9: I want to be it if I'm just pretend funny.
[9:48] Speaker 9: And as I work into it and he told me
[9:51] Speaker 9: he was like 10 years, he was like, you got
[9:54] Speaker 9: to get all that.
[9:55] Speaker 6: He was like, first three years is you telling fart
[9:58] Speaker 6: jokes and Jokes and... jokes.
[10:00] Speaker 9: He was like, that's that's the two or three year
[10:02] Speaker 9: old dope telling jokes like, you know.
[10:04] Speaker 6: Right. Yeah.
[10:05] Speaker 1: You have to mature as a comedian.
[10:08] Speaker 6: As a storyteller.
[10:09] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[10:09] Speaker 9: You got to be, you got to learn how to
[10:11] Speaker 9: be on stage. You got to learn if you're going
[10:13] Speaker 9: to have a drink on stage, if you're going to
[10:14] Speaker 9: hold them up, you got to learn all that stuff.
[10:16] Speaker 9: He was like, and then your fourth and fifth year
[10:18] Speaker 9: is when you start kind of making money off of you.
[10:21] Speaker 9: He said, it may be a little earlier because you
[10:24] Speaker 9: are funny. He was like, but you still got to
[10:26] Speaker 9: pay dues.
[10:27] Speaker 6: It's just, you just got to pay them. You know,
[10:29] Speaker 6: you got to go through hecklers. I went through all
[10:31] Speaker 6: the stages of it, you know? So yeah.
[10:34] Speaker 9: And I tell comedians when you try to skip, the stage,
[10:38] Speaker 9: you're not doing any good for you as an entertainer
[10:42] Speaker 9: or for your audience. You're not doing anyone any good.
[10:45] Speaker 9: It's always good to have a, I always think three pigs,
[10:48] Speaker 9: three pigs, three pigs. The one that lived is the
[10:51] Speaker 9: one that had the bricks. He had a strong foundation.
[10:54] Speaker 9: Your shit can't blow away. You gotta, and the only
[10:56] Speaker 9: way you can have a strong foundation is to work.
[10:59] Speaker 9: You don't want a doctor that just said, woke up
[11:01] Speaker 9: one day and said, I'm gonna be a doctor. You
[11:03] Speaker 9: want a doctor that's been trained, that's been in the field,
[11:06] Speaker 9: that knows.
[11:07] Speaker 6: That's had.
[11:07] Speaker 1: Experience.
[11:09] Speaker 9: When I went to go get my knee checked, I
[11:12] Speaker 9: remember my aunt telling me, make sure that he does surgery.
[11:17] Speaker 9: This is not no every once in a while. Make
[11:20] Speaker 9: sure that he has a surgery scheduled every week. Like
[11:23] Speaker 9: you ask him, do you do surgery? Or is this
[11:26] Speaker 9: just a case you take it on? And I remember
[11:28] Speaker 9: my knee doctor laughing. He was like, that's a good question.
[11:31] Speaker 9: He said, I do all the left knees on Wednesday
[11:33] Speaker 9: and all the right knees on Thursday.
[11:35] Speaker 6: And I was just like, Loved. You know what I mean?
[11:38] Speaker 6: It's like that.
[11:39] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[11:40] Speaker 9: Then he's confident because you don't want a doctor that's
[11:42] Speaker 9: going to be like, I think I'm good.
[11:45] Speaker 6: You know, people tell me you don't want that.
[11:48] Speaker 9: And that's what makes me mad that when people see
[11:52] Speaker 9: that type of confidence on me, I promise, Sophia, I
[11:55] Speaker 9: don't know what it is. But when people see that
[11:57] Speaker 9: type of confidence on me, everybody tries to break it.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Well, the world hates a confident women.
[12:04] Speaker 2: And frankly, people are very jealous of Of anyone who
[12:08] Speaker 2: makes an artistic life. And so I think the envy
[12:11] Speaker 2: and also the loathing from this fucking, you know, white
[12:16] Speaker 2: heteronormative patriarchy we all suffer under. I think it really
[12:23] Speaker 2: bends people out of shape to see women embody themselves
[12:29] Speaker 2: and laugh at themselves and survive their mistakes and thrive
[12:35] Speaker 2: in their careers. Like they really get butthurt about it.
[12:39] Speaker 9: And I'm telling you, it's a thing and you see
[12:41] Speaker 9: it like they go, it's first of all, they go, Oh,
[12:44] Speaker 9: this is just a, um, this, this is a fluke.
[12:47] Speaker 9: This is a fluke that she's, this is, she's getting lucky.
[12:50] Speaker 9: And then they say I'm not lucky. And then they go, Oh,
[12:52] Speaker 9: she's arrogant. We need to break her down. You know,
[12:55] Speaker 9: I'm not saying that, that, that happened before. With everybody
[13:00] Speaker 9: at SNL because Lauren had much respect for me. The
[13:03] Speaker 9: one thing that I loved about Lauren Michaels is that
[13:06] Speaker 9: he knew exactly who I was.
[13:08] Speaker 6: He knew exactly what I could do. He understood me
[13:12] Speaker 6: in a way.
[13:13] Speaker 1: I love that.
[13:15] Speaker 6: He loved it because he.
[13:16] Speaker 9: Was like, oh, you know how to work a room.
[13:19] Speaker 9: You know how to be this person. When it needs
[13:22] Speaker 9: to be this, you know how to be this. When
[13:24] Speaker 9: it needs to be this, he says, you know how
[13:26] Speaker 9: to work. So that's the one thing that Lord, but
[13:29] Speaker 9: the people, some of the people that work there were
[13:31] Speaker 9: just very, how can I put it? Like you, you just,
[13:38] Speaker 9: you just, I can't explain this. Like you're just too,
[13:42] Speaker 9: you're too what?
[13:44] Speaker 6: Confident. Like I know what I want. I'm sorry.
[13:48] Speaker 9: I know what I want. I know you think, you know, everything.
[13:51] Speaker 9: And that was the thing. There were people that worked
[13:53] Speaker 9: there for years and they think they knew everything.
[13:56] Speaker 6: Which they probably did, but you don't know me. Yeah. Like,
[14:02] Speaker 6: like you should be open to learning.
[14:05] Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors.
[14:11] Speaker 7: Well, you know, I did some reading on you because
[14:14] Speaker 7: my daughter said, Oh, Oh my God, Sophia Bush.
[14:19] Speaker 6: And I was like, is.
[14:20] Speaker 7: She related to any of the Bush? Mom, she's an
[14:25] Speaker 7: actress from one tree Hill, which I didn't feel horrible
[14:29] Speaker 7: that I didn't watch it.
[14:30] Speaker 1: You don't need to feel horrible about it.
[14:33] Speaker 7: Well, I would have liked to have, you know, seen
[14:35] Speaker 7: your work, but you know, apparently everyone says you're really
[14:38] Speaker 7: killing it on this podcast thing.
[14:40] Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I just, I love it.
[14:43] Speaker 2: You know, it's, um, I recently went and got to
[14:47] Speaker 2: guest host your old show. I went to hang out
[14:49] Speaker 2: with all the.
[14:49] Speaker 1: Ladies on The View.
[14:50] Speaker 6: How was that?
[14:52] Speaker 1: It was so fun.
[14:53] Speaker 2: But I said, I said, you know, The View and Oprah,
[14:55] Speaker 2: like your shows raised me. And when I think about
[15:01] Speaker 2: being able to watch not just women whose work I loved,
[15:06] Speaker 2: you know, professionals who like do great comedy and great things,
[15:10] Speaker 2: but watching you all sit down and have conversations about
[15:15] Speaker 2: what matters. You know, you really, you're like one of
[15:18] Speaker 2: the original users of a platform for good.
[15:22] Speaker 6: So I have to thank you for that.
[15:23] Speaker 7: That is very, very nice. Thank you for saying that.
[15:26] Speaker 7: I mean, I'll tell you the God's honest truth is
[15:29] Speaker 7: that when I was little and my mother was sick,
[15:32] Speaker 7: I thought if Barbra Streisand's mother was sick, she would
[15:36] Speaker 7: go on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson and ask
[15:38] Speaker 7: everyone to send $ 10, and everyone would, and they'd get $ 1, 000,
[15:41] Speaker 7: and they'd get the mother the medicine that they needed.
[15:46] Speaker 7: So I knew there was power in celebrity. And to me,
[15:50] Speaker 7: there was only one, and it was Barbra Streisand, right?
[15:53] Speaker 7: So if I wanted to be famous at all, it
[15:59] Speaker 7: was because of that. I wanted to be in the
[16:02] Speaker 7: Justice League. I thought, when I achieved a level of
[16:05] Speaker 7: success in financial something, we would form a Women's Justice League.
[16:09] Speaker 7: And it would be like, you know, Gloria Steinem and
[16:13] Speaker 7: Oprah and Diane Sawyer and Katie Couric and Maya Angelou
[16:18] Speaker 7: and Adela Shabazz. And, you know, and I would join
[16:22] Speaker 7: because I would have my own charity and I would
[16:24] Speaker 7: do right. And we would solve the problems of children
[16:28] Speaker 7: in America. You know, that's what I fantasized was going
[16:33] Speaker 7: to happen. happened from fame.
[16:35] Speaker 2: I've never heard anybody else talk about even something adjacent
[16:40] Speaker 2: to what I thought as a kid. That's so cool.
[16:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[16:45] Speaker 2: And I wonder too, you know, you, you say it
[16:47] Speaker 2: and it's like, we had all those women, those examples. And,
[16:54] Speaker 2: you know, as much as I know, the role can
[16:55] Speaker 2: be reductionist in certain senses. We also grew up watching
[16:58] Speaker 2: all these first ladies, um, do good for kids and families.
[17:02] Speaker 2: So you kind of figure, oh, when the women get
[17:05] Speaker 2: to the upper echelon, that's what they do. They solve
[17:09] Speaker 2: things for the women and the children.
[17:10] Speaker 1: Yes.
[17:12] Speaker 7: And that was my belief. Like, not just wish. That
[17:18] Speaker 7: was my belief that this would all happen. And, you know,
[17:22] Speaker 7: I have that belief that there's going to be all
[17:25] Speaker 7: the women bonding together, all the powerful women Bonding together
[17:30] Speaker 7: and saying, you know, we've had enough of this. Yeah.
[17:35] Speaker 7: And this Epstein situation and this, you know, child abuse
[17:41] Speaker 7: and this.
[17:43] Speaker 6: Listen.
[17:44] Speaker 7: Yeah. You're here, America. We don't have the choice to
[17:47] Speaker 7: pretend it's not happening.
[17:49] Speaker 1: Right.
[17:50] Speaker 6: Right.
[17:51] Speaker 2: What a surreal thing, too, when you when you consider
[17:53] Speaker 2: the last couple of decades you watch. You know, we
[17:58] Speaker 2: had the historic midterms, and then we began to shift
[18:01] Speaker 2: the percentages of power in Congress. And you watched a
[18:04] Speaker 2: version of the Justice League, right? The women launched Time's
[18:07] Speaker 2: Up and the Legal Defense Fund. And look at the backlash.
[18:11] Speaker 2: I mean, you look at these fascists. You look at
[18:12] Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth's pastor on NPR yesterday saying they're going to
[18:16] Speaker 2: take away women's right to vote.
[18:18] Speaker 7: Look at his tattoo, for God's sake. I know. He
[18:22] Speaker 7: branded himself with that. Yes, yes. Okay, America, no more
[18:28] Speaker 7: willful blindness.
[18:29] Speaker 1: I know it.
[18:29] Speaker 6: No more.
[18:30] Speaker 7: There's trouble at the gates, ladies and gentlemen.
[18:34] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[18:34] Speaker 6: There's trouble at the gates.
[18:35] Speaker 7: And we're not talking about the border of Mexico. We're
[18:38] Speaker 7: talking about the decency gates. They have a leak in them.
[18:42] Speaker 7: We need to solve this crisis. And I don't get, really, Sophia,
[18:47] Speaker 7: I don't get why so little has happened with so
[18:51] Speaker 7: much proof.
[18:53] Speaker 1: I know it.
[18:54] Speaker 2: We'll be back in just a minute after a few
[18:56] Speaker 2: words from our favorite sponsors. I can't wait to send
[19:04] Speaker 2: this episode to my mom because we've been through our
[19:08] Speaker 2: own version of I think that complicated thing when you
[19:14] Speaker 2: did raise smart, independent women and they go out in
[19:18] Speaker 2: their independent world and it's hard. And there was a
[19:22] Speaker 2: period where I was doing the same and it was,
[19:27] Speaker 2: I know it was tough for my mom and also
[19:31] Speaker 2: it was necessary for my life. And we are in
[19:34] Speaker 2: this place now where yes, she's my parent and I'm
[19:37] Speaker 2: her daughter, but also we're more friends. Like we're peers,
[19:42] Speaker 2: you know, I'm an adult, she's an adult. And whenever
[19:45] Speaker 2: I'm home on the West coast, we go to the
[19:48] Speaker 2: flea market together every weekend. and my mom comes with
[19:51] Speaker 2: me and all my friends and my friends are like.
[19:53] Speaker 6: Mom's coming you know and it's this cool.
[19:56] Speaker 2: Thing and my mom is back in the space where
[19:58] Speaker 2: she was oh my god we have to but like
[20:01] Speaker 2: my mom's back in the space that she was in
[20:04] Speaker 2: when I was you know 13, 14, 15, 16, where
[20:07] Speaker 2: she was always the mom all my friends wanted to
[20:09] Speaker 2: hang out with. She was the one my friends wanted
[20:12] Speaker 2: to ask advice of, which I just know is exactly you.
[20:14] Speaker 2: And now she's kind of like, mom gets invited again
[20:19] Speaker 2: to the stuff. And it's so fun and it's so sweet.
[20:23] Speaker 2: And I don't know, it makes me really nostalgic for
[20:25] Speaker 2: her to hear you talking about the stage you're in
[20:29] Speaker 2: and the journey with your girls.
[20:31] Speaker 1: And it's a trip because.
[20:32] Speaker 2: It makes me realize how long I've known you. I
[20:34] Speaker 2: will never forget you said something when your kids were
[20:37] Speaker 2: little that really solidified like this thing I talk about
[20:43] Speaker 2: a lot now, which is everyone wants to cartoonify motherhood.
[20:47] Speaker 2: And I think it does such a disservice to moms.
[20:50] Speaker 2: And I will never forget. It's like, it's the most
[20:52] Speaker 2: magical thing you've ever done.
[20:53] Speaker 1: And it's also the hardest. And anyone who says it's
[20:56] Speaker 1: not hard is a traitor.
[20:58] Speaker 2: And like you said a thing forever ago that, somebody
[21:04] Speaker 2: said like, when did it, you know, when did you
[21:05] Speaker 2: really know you were a mom and you were talking
[21:07] Speaker 2: about having one of the babies like up in the
[21:10] Speaker 2: air and that one of them, when you had them
[21:13] Speaker 2: up laughing, threw up in your mouth and you had
[21:17] Speaker 2: to be like, okay, I can't drop the baby. I
[21:21] Speaker 2: have to hold this in my mouth. I have to
[21:23] Speaker 2: get the baby, you know, settled and then go clean
[21:27] Speaker 2: myself up. And it has stayed with me for so long.
[21:33] Speaker 3: And there was like, I traumatized you.
[21:35] Speaker 2: No, I just was like, no one's ever said it
[21:38] Speaker 2: out loud and I'll never forget it. It was like,
[21:39] Speaker 2: it was like an SNL skit that makes an impact,
[21:42] Speaker 2: but I read it and I will never forget, you know,
[21:46] Speaker 2: I don't know. What is it like a year or
[21:47] Speaker 2: two years ago, like a stomach bugs going around pre-K
[21:51] Speaker 2: and I am, you know, holding ashes, our precious little boy.
[21:59] Speaker 2: Who's like my favorite little boy, literally.
[22:01] Speaker 1: On the planet.
[22:03] Speaker 2: And I got thrown up on in such a way
[22:06] Speaker 2: that was in my mouth, in my eyes, in my hair,
[22:09] Speaker 2: down my shirt. And I was like, OK, here we go.
[22:16] Speaker 1: It's OK. Don't be scared. You're OK. And what do
[22:20] Speaker 1: I do?
[22:21] Speaker 2: And how do I manage this moment? And I thought
[22:25] Speaker 2: about you. And I was like, it's official.
[22:28] Speaker 6: It's official. It's official. Like that's the thing.
[22:31] Speaker 2: And you've shared like the funny things and the real things. And,
[22:36] Speaker 2: you know, you talked about postpartum before anybody would.
[22:39] Speaker 1: And like you, I don't know, you've just.
[22:41] Speaker 2: Been so generous with us for so long in ways
[22:45] Speaker 2: that I think make women feel seen. And so in
[22:47] Speaker 2: all the years I've known you, like over and over again,
[22:50] Speaker 2: you do that for me.
[22:52] Speaker 9: Wow.
[22:53] Speaker 3: Gosh, thank you.
[22:54] Speaker 1: It's so cool.
[22:56] Speaker 5: I've always looked up to you and I've always really
[23:02] Speaker 5: loved your brain and loved the way you treat people.
[23:07] Speaker 3: And obviously your talent. That just goes without saying.
[23:11] Speaker 5: But your intellect and your willingness to just, but really
[23:15] Speaker 5: your willingness to sort of have convictions and speak them.
[23:21] Speaker 5: And enter in debate and conversation. And to me, like,
[23:26] Speaker 5: that's just such a beautiful thing to be a mom
[23:31] Speaker 5: and have that, you know what I mean? And be
[23:33] Speaker 5: a friend and be a wife and be a partner
[23:36] Speaker 5: and be, you know, a colleague and all of those things.
[23:40] Speaker 5: That what you represent is such a beautiful image for
[23:47] Speaker 5: women in particular to have. To own all of.
[23:51] Speaker 3: The complexities of being a woman. Do you know what
[23:53] Speaker 3: I mean? Yes, the beauty, but the intellect, but the
[23:57] Speaker 3: sex appeal, but.
[23:58] Speaker 5: The strength and the vulnerability and all of that is
[24:03] Speaker 5: what makes a woman.
[24:05] Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? And to be not
[24:06] Speaker 3: afraid to reveal it.
[24:08] Speaker 5: And I mean, I feel like the second I met you,
[24:11] Speaker 5: I was like, oh, yeah, I was like, And then
[24:14] Speaker 5: you compounded it by having the white tattoo.
[24:17] Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, God, never going to be
[24:19] Speaker 3: this cool.
[24:20] Speaker 5: And I was just like, you know, that type of
[24:26] Speaker 5: model as a female is really, and you share it too.
[24:30] Speaker 3: And I'm proud to say that you're my friend, you know.
[24:33] Speaker 1: Oh, I just love you, you sweet soul.
[24:37] Speaker 2: I am feeling so amped and inspired and just, oh, happy.
[24:43] Speaker 1: But I'm not done.
[24:44] Speaker 2: There is still far too much goodness to listen to,
[24:47] Speaker 2: so we're going to pause here for today and see
[24:49] Speaker 2: you back for part two.

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