# She Died, Met Kali & Shiva, Then Returned with Psychic Abilities with Dr. Manmit Kumarr

An episode of [Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1560904383), 25 Aug 2026, 1 h 17 min.

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What happens when someone trained in science and business begins seeing and communicating with what she understands as the spirit world? Dr. Manmit Kumarr shares her extraordinary journey from microbiology and a 19-year corporate career to psychic mediumship, Tantra, and teaching others how to develop their own spiritual sensitivity. Manmit describes childhood memories she interprets as belonging to a past life, a three-day coma, and a later death-like experience in which she says she left her body, saw herself from near the ceiling, perceived a thin cord connecting her to her physical body, and heard voices that she later came to understand as spirit guides. Their message was clear: her purpose had not yet been fulfilled. But Manmit’s journey became even stranger. She describes testing her abilities on missing-person cases, encountering a deceased woman whom she initially believed was physically alive, visiting a reportedly haunted village in India, and returning from Oxford believing that a spirit had attached itself to something she brought home. She also explains her beliefs about why some souls may resist crossing over, how intense trauma can leave an energetic imprint on a location, and why spiritual protection may not always work the way people assume. Later, our conversation moves into Tantra, her profound dreams involving Shiva and Kali, the spiritual meaning she gives to darkness and transformation, and her belief that spirituality should make people more self-sufficient rather than more fearful or dependent. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/next-level-soul-podcast-with-alex-ferrari--4858435/support. Take your spiritual journey to the next level with Next Level Soul TV — our dedicated streaming home for conscious storytelling and soulful transformation. Experience exclusive programs, original series, movies, tv shows, workshops, audiobooks, meditations, and a growing library of inspiring content created to elevate, heal, and awaken. Begin your membership or explore our free titles here: https://www.nextlevelsoul.tv

## Transcript

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[1:30] Speaker 1: I like to welcome to the show, Mamit Kumar. How
[1:33] Speaker 1: you doing, doctor Kumar?
[1:35] Speaker 3: Thank you, Alex, I'm doing wonderfully and lovely to be hell.
[1:39] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being on the show.
[1:41] Speaker 1: I'm truly looking forward to talking to you because I've
[1:44] Speaker 1: had a few psychic mediums that are from India and
[1:50] Speaker 1: do work in India, but it is not as well.
[1:53] Speaker 1: It's not as popular as it is here in the States.
[1:56] Speaker 1: Though from my understanding, as you were telling me before
[2:00] Speaker 1: we started, that it is on the rise and people
[2:03] Speaker 1: the Indian culture is starting to embrace psychic mediumship more.
[2:07] Speaker 1: But there's another thing that is really ingrained, which is
[2:11] Speaker 1: still in the metaphysical world, which is astrology.
[2:13] Speaker 3: Correct, absolutely so. Astrology is very much and very widely
[2:18] Speaker 3: recognized here and people practice it a lot. But psychic
[2:23] Speaker 3: media ship is coming up in a very big way.
[2:25] Speaker 3: People are learning to understand what is intuition sensitivity information
[2:30] Speaker 3: and they are very happy to connect with the departed ones.
[2:36] Speaker 3: On the other side, you have the wayless thinning, literally,
[2:39] Speaker 3: but it's also that people are learning to trust the
[2:42] Speaker 3: intuition mode.
[2:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, and i'd imagine because ancestors are such a big
[2:45] Speaker 1: part in the Indian culture and Hindu culture that I'd
[2:48] Speaker 1: imagine that being able to speak to them would be
[2:52] Speaker 1: something very appealing to them.
[2:54] Speaker 3: Absolutely. So the way India looks at it as of now,
[2:57] Speaker 3: they just honor the ancestors, which is a very big part.
[3:00] Speaker 3: There is a festival for that called Shark, which happens
[3:05] Speaker 3: typically in the month of September, and so you know,
[3:10] Speaker 3: it's a two week process where one honors the ancestors
[3:14] Speaker 3: through rituals. But nobody has bought it to light about
[3:19] Speaker 3: what kind of family patterns would these ancestors be talking
[3:22] Speaker 3: about if one was to connect with them. So that's interesting.
[3:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very much like what's similar to the Day
[3:28] Speaker 1: of the Dead for Mexicans, where they take a day
[3:33] Speaker 1: and they it's all about their ancestors and respecting them
[3:38] Speaker 1: and visiting with them and so on. Well, let's go
[3:41] Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole that is doctor Kumar, because you
[3:44] Speaker 1: have a very interesting path to say the least. So
[3:47] Speaker 1: take me back when you were two years old, something
[3:50] Speaker 1: very very interesting happened to you when you were two,
[3:54] Speaker 1: What actually happened on that day?
[3:56] Speaker 3: I would remember my children, although I was a child myself,
[4:02] Speaker 3: and my mother tells me that I would look at
[4:06] Speaker 3: other people's children or pictures of little children and say
[4:10] Speaker 3: that these are my children. And I would draw a
[4:14] Speaker 3: woman with two children. So that was a little later
[4:17] Speaker 3: when I knew how to draw. But I was very
[4:20] Speaker 3: fascinated with two children. So whenever someone used to tell
[4:23] Speaker 3: me that I'm a child, I would turn around and
[4:25] Speaker 3: tell them that I'm not the child. I have two children.
[4:29] Speaker 3: In whatever language and perception I could tell them at
[4:32] Speaker 3: that point in time, and I strongly believed that it
[4:35] Speaker 3: was my past life memory. And in one of my
[4:38] Speaker 3: previous lives, I was a a woman who saw her
[4:42] Speaker 3: children being shot and gun point. So that just continued
[4:48] Speaker 3: for a while. My mother had to erase it from
[4:51] Speaker 3: my mind. My parents thought I'd seen a movie somewhere,
[4:55] Speaker 3: and you know, the impressions stayed on with me. So
[4:57] Speaker 3: it took them quite some months too literally releep that
[5:01] Speaker 3: from my at least my conscious mind. And that's how
[5:06] Speaker 3: they knew, but they didn't discuss it. And I knew
[5:10] Speaker 3: that as I grew up that there was something real,
[5:12] Speaker 3: but we don't talk about. You know, it was that
[5:18] Speaker 3: if you know what I'm saying.
[5:19] Speaker 1: Absolutely no, I know exactly what you're saying, especially in
[5:22] Speaker 1: those days where you don't. You definitely don't have conversations
[5:26] Speaker 1: like this publicly by any stretchy.
[5:29] Speaker 2: So then you also fell into a coma.
[5:32] Speaker 1: For three days in your youth. Do you remember what
[5:35] Speaker 1: happened when you were in that comma? Did anything happen
[5:37] Speaker 1: when you were in that comma?
[5:39] Speaker 3: In the comma I was. I wouldn't say that I
[5:42] Speaker 3: remember exactly what happened. There was a lot of going
[5:45] Speaker 3: into the light and coming back. But what I do
[5:48] Speaker 3: remember distinctly is the experience I had twelve years ago
[5:52] Speaker 3: where this whole thing exploded, because that is a very
[5:56] Speaker 3: conscious experience. I would say it was, you know, designated
[6:01] Speaker 3: death as such in a hospital, but that's how I
[6:04] Speaker 3: perceived my identity, literally dissolving my body there and me
[6:09] Speaker 3: watching my body. So for me, that was likely leaving
[6:13] Speaker 3: my body and seeing it somewhere else was a deathlike experience.
[6:18] Speaker 3: But all I can say is that all the experiences
[6:21] Speaker 3: that I have had Alex have taken me, pulled me
[6:25] Speaker 3: literally into another world which felt familiar. And every time
[6:31] Speaker 3: I had a choice, I knew I could stay and
[6:34] Speaker 3: I knew I could go back.
[6:35] Speaker 1: So this near death like experience that you had when
[6:40] Speaker 1: you when you were and this happened during the comm
[6:43] Speaker 1: or this didn't happen during the comment, This what happened.
[6:45] Speaker 3: Now about twelve years ago?
[6:47] Speaker 1: About twelve years ago? All right, So when you were
[6:49] Speaker 1: doing that twelve years ago, what I did so you
[6:52] Speaker 1: didn't die? Or how explained to me what happened?
[6:55] Speaker 3: So I had walked out of of my marriage with
[6:59] Speaker 3: two very young children and a lot of responsibility. And
[7:03] Speaker 3: in India it's considered to be a big taboo to
[7:06] Speaker 3: work out of your marriage, however good or bad it
[7:10] Speaker 3: may be. And I had my dad's support and he
[7:15] Speaker 3: was staying with me. I remember I'd lost my mother
[7:17] Speaker 3: to cancer just a year ago, so it was a
[7:20] Speaker 3: time where everything was very intense, the marriage ending, my
[7:25] Speaker 3: mother sort of passing on children very young. I had
[7:28] Speaker 3: a job that would keep me out of the country
[7:31] Speaker 3: for about ten to twelve days a month, and my
[7:34] Speaker 3: gien were very young. So I would experience intense anxiety
[7:38] Speaker 3: and panic and I would reach the hospital and they
[7:42] Speaker 3: would say, oh, you just have anxiety. They would give
[7:44] Speaker 3: me an anti anxiety drug and I would come back.
[7:47] Speaker 3: This started to increase as a pattern, and one night,
[7:50] Speaker 3: as I was on my bed, I felt an intense
[7:56] Speaker 3: choking feeling. The feeling was of choking a lot of
[8:00] Speaker 3: pressure on the chest, and it almost felt like you
[8:03] Speaker 3: just wild to move out of your body. So I
[8:05] Speaker 3: knew that I was dying, but there was nothing I
[8:09] Speaker 3: could do about it. I couldn't even reach my phone.
[8:13] Speaker 3: And it's just that period before death where they are
[8:17] Speaker 3: so helpless and suddenly there's a surrender. You just think, Okay,
[8:22] Speaker 3: now nothing's left. It's in just a few moments, I'm
[8:25] Speaker 3: going to go off. And I did go off, not medically,
[8:29] Speaker 3: but I felt that I had left my body, and
[8:33] Speaker 3: at the level of the ceiling fan, I could actually
[8:36] Speaker 3: see myself lying down on the bed. I perceived a
[8:42] Speaker 3: thin cord between who I was on the fan and
[8:47] Speaker 3: the body that was there. It was not a scary feeling,
[8:52] Speaker 3: nor was it a happy feeling. It was a very
[8:54] Speaker 3: confused feeling. Where am I? What is happening, and I've
[8:57] Speaker 3: always heard that there's going to be a bright white
[9:00] Speaker 3: and all of that, but there was no light. Nobody
[9:03] Speaker 3: came to take me. So it was even more confusing
[9:06] Speaker 3: because no one came. Where are the ancestors? Where the
[9:09] Speaker 3: people who were supposed to be there? And then I
[9:12] Speaker 3: started hearing a lot of voices that were not scary.
[9:17] Speaker 3: It seemed like somebody had opened a large door and
[9:22] Speaker 3: I could hear a lot of voices and they were
[9:24] Speaker 3: talking amongst themselves, and then one decided to talk to me,
[9:29] Speaker 3: and later on I was to figure that they were
[9:31] Speaker 3: my spirit guides. At that point, it was very chaotic
[9:34] Speaker 3: and confusing, and they told me that this is not death,
[9:39] Speaker 3: this is your We wanted to get your attention, and
[9:43] Speaker 3: we want to tell you that your purpose is not
[9:46] Speaker 3: really met. I want to tell you that I'm a
[9:50] Speaker 3: very scientific person. I grew up in an army family.
[9:54] Speaker 3: I've done my microbiology, then I've done my master's in business.
[9:58] Speaker 3: Then I've been in the corporate world for nine years.
[10:01] Speaker 3: Everything's very left bread. If someone like that tells me
[10:04] Speaker 3: that you don't you had a purpose and you've not
[10:07] Speaker 3: met it, and therefore we have sort of got your
[10:10] Speaker 3: attention like that. It's the most bizarre thing that anyone
[10:16] Speaker 3: could have thought. And I of course thought I've lost
[10:18] Speaker 3: it totally. But the things that they proceeded to tell me,
[10:21] Speaker 3: and the way they told me, made me realize that
[10:25] Speaker 3: disbelief was very difficult. Not that I was believing what
[10:33] Speaker 3: was happening, but they made disbelief impossible. The signs they
[10:38] Speaker 3: gave me, the messages they gave me. I kept telling them.
[10:43] Speaker 3: I said, Okay, if this is true, then show me this.
[10:46] Speaker 3: If this is true, then let me know this. And
[10:48] Speaker 3: it exactly happened like that. And by then I realized
[10:53] Speaker 3: that the senses that I had taken for granted, which
[10:55] Speaker 3: means that when I look at people, I have a
[10:58] Speaker 3: you know, energy reading of had become heightened, more heightened.
[11:04] Speaker 3: I would not say that this experience exploded my senses
[11:07] Speaker 3: and I discovered them. No, it was not like that,
[11:10] Speaker 3: but it heightened them and it made it more real.
[11:13] Speaker 3: So that's what happened that night.
[11:15] Speaker 2: When you came back. How did you process it?
[11:18] Speaker 1: Because being such a left brain person, how could you
[11:23] Speaker 1: just process it? I mean, I understand the people getting
[11:28] Speaker 1: the other side getting your attention, and that happens in
[11:30] Speaker 1: multiple ways. Either you have an actual near death experience
[11:34] Speaker 1: where you die and come back. That's the most extreme,
[11:37] Speaker 1: in my opinion.
[11:38] Speaker 2: Versions of it. This was an NDE light version.
[11:44] Speaker 1: But and then there's visions and other sorts of metaphysical
[11:49] Speaker 1: experiences that people have, whether in meditation, or something happened
[11:54] Speaker 1: or someone appears to them, or something happens in a dream.
[11:57] Speaker 1: There's something that's undeniable in a way that you're just like,
[12:02] Speaker 1: I don't believe what's going on, but this happened, and
[12:06] Speaker 1: I can't deny that happened to myself. I cannot deny
[12:10] Speaker 1: to others, but I can't deny to myself because that
[12:12] Speaker 1: actually happened to me. How did you process it? Being
[12:16] Speaker 1: such a left brain practical kind of grounded person.
[12:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, I discussed the two of my friends who clearly
[12:23] Speaker 3: thought but they didn't tell me, but I could imagine
[12:26] Speaker 3: them thinking that I have lost it. It was almost
[12:29] Speaker 3: like so I asked one of them, I said, is
[12:31] Speaker 3: this what you're thinking? He said no. I said no, no,
[12:34] Speaker 3: Let me tell you the language and which you're thinking this.
[12:37] Speaker 3: You're thinking this right now in Tamil, And he said,
[12:40] Speaker 3: how do you know so I said, look, see, so
[12:43] Speaker 3: when I would go to people, and so I asked, sir,
[12:46] Speaker 3: I said, you know, what do you want me to do?
[12:48] Speaker 3: Because I don't have any contacts, I don't know where
[12:50] Speaker 3: to go. I'm not I don't have a guru, I
[12:54] Speaker 3: don't have a school to refer to. You want me
[12:57] Speaker 3: to suddenly just get up one day and said, look,
[12:59] Speaker 3: now you have psychic abilities and do what? So they said,
[13:03] Speaker 3: and leave your job? I said, are you kidding me?
[13:07] Speaker 3: So they said, okay, if we give you tangible proof.
[13:10] Speaker 3: I said, even if you gave me tangible proof, who
[13:12] Speaker 3: will you give me business? I have two young children
[13:14] Speaker 3: to take care of, so this is okay. First let's
[13:16] Speaker 3: get the proof in order. So I said okay, and
[13:19] Speaker 3: I went to a doctor and I went and told
[13:21] Speaker 3: him very honestly, I said, you know, because of intense stress,
[13:24] Speaker 3: something's happening to me and I want you to you're right,
[13:26] Speaker 3: examine me and all that. And he said how do
[13:28] Speaker 3: you know that? I said, I know that because I
[13:31] Speaker 3: have these visions and all that. And by the way,
[13:33] Speaker 3: he was a believer. So he said, okay, are you
[13:36] Speaker 3: very sure that this is what it is? I said, yes, yes,
[13:38] Speaker 3: you playing release take a plain. Next day there is that,
[13:41] Speaker 3: and there was a report lying on his table. It
[13:44] Speaker 3: was a sealed on will and he said, okay. He
[13:47] Speaker 3: was talking to one of his assistants and he said, okay,
[13:49] Speaker 3: just give me this report. And he said, okay, what
[13:52] Speaker 3: do you think is there in this report? And I said,
[13:55] Speaker 3: I don't know what the report is, but I can
[13:57] Speaker 3: see one number seven point zero three And it was
[14:01] Speaker 3: the same report. He opened that report. It was a
[14:04] Speaker 3: test of some sort and there was the number seven
[14:06] Speaker 3: point zero three. Now both of us kept looking at
[14:11] Speaker 3: it and kept looking at each other. Now both of
[14:12] Speaker 3: us didn't know what to do. So he says, you know,
[14:14] Speaker 3: just relax, give it some give it a few days,
[14:16] Speaker 3: and let's see what happens. So they were intense experiences.
[14:19] Speaker 3: They were intense signs. I could not ignore them. At
[14:22] Speaker 3: the same time, I couldn't leave my job. It was
[14:24] Speaker 3: simply not possible. And what would I do just with
[14:26] Speaker 3: a sign? So it was tough. Those six months were tough.
[14:31] Speaker 3: I kept thinking what will I do? What will I do?
[14:33] Speaker 3: But trust me, when I left my job work, so
[14:35] Speaker 3: I didn't have a clue what to do. Because when
[14:37] Speaker 3: I would make short videos and I would love to
[14:41] Speaker 3: share one with you where I'm say hi, I'm Meek Kumar,
[14:44] Speaker 3: I'm a psychic and people would listen to it and say,
[14:46] Speaker 3: are you psycho? I mean, what does this mean? And
[14:50] Speaker 3: I said, oh my god, now I have to bring
[14:52] Speaker 3: the word to the country because they used to think
[14:55] Speaker 3: you know, Google of course, and they said, value make
[14:59] Speaker 3: it a video on this that there's something wrong with you.
[15:04] Speaker 3: It started from there, Alex. And it's been a journey.
[15:07] Speaker 3: It's been a journey from being perceived if somebody was
[15:11] Speaker 3: not stable to now teaching for ten years and having
[15:14] Speaker 3: batches all across the world. God has been very kind
[15:18] Speaker 3: and I think I still watch that video where people
[15:21] Speaker 3: have written saying what is wrong with you? You know?
[15:24] Speaker 3: So that's you the journey.
[15:28] Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
[15:34] Speaker 1: and now back to the show. So you actually did
[15:40] Speaker 1: You just kind of took a leap of faith, but
[15:43] Speaker 1: it was small steps. You didn't jump, You took little steps,
[15:48] Speaker 1: but it took you six months to finally leave your job.
[15:50] Speaker 1: And then when you leave your job, that was the
[15:52] Speaker 1: big just like I'm going into the unknown. And then
[15:55] Speaker 1: you make a video that says, hey, I'm a psychic
[15:58] Speaker 1: medium now, and everyone's like, are you out of your mind?
[16:00] Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? I'm assuming your friends and family
[16:04] Speaker 1: were all very concerned because you had it.
[16:10] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And you made me have three offer letters
[16:13] Speaker 3: in my hand before I left my job, and he said,
[16:16] Speaker 3: you know, I'll give you three months otherwise these are
[16:19] Speaker 3: the opher letters you will take. And I said okay.
[16:21] Speaker 3: And I actually promised the Seals of this company that
[16:23] Speaker 3: I would work with them, and I told them that, look,
[16:25] Speaker 3: I'm taking a three month break and they said, we
[16:27] Speaker 3: will hire you. You go for it, and Alex, from
[16:31] Speaker 3: the first month onwards, there was no looking back. There
[16:34] Speaker 3: was I don't know where the clients came from. I
[16:37] Speaker 3: had no social media experience. I didn't know a thing.
[16:41] Speaker 3: I didn't know a thing. I'm telling you. I made
[16:42] Speaker 3: videos and I said I'm a psychic and people would
[16:44] Speaker 3: join me. It's like, who's going to come to me?
[16:50] Speaker 3: But they just kept coming, They just kept coming, They
[16:53] Speaker 3: just kept coming.
[16:55] Speaker 1: It's fascinating when you actually get a message like that,
[16:58] Speaker 1: or you have an instinct to do something and you
[17:00] Speaker 1: take the leap.
[17:02] Speaker 2: You need to take the leap for the universe. To
[17:03] Speaker 2: be able to help you.
[17:05] Speaker 1: And then once that happens, and then the universe sends
[17:07] Speaker 1: you what you need in an unexplainable, unrational and logical way,
[17:15] Speaker 1: kind of like a filmmaker. Kind of like a filmmaker
[17:17] Speaker 1: who starts a spiritual podcast and has no experience whatsoever
[17:20] Speaker 1: in spiritual heal, it's been a spiritual podcast and it
[17:23] Speaker 1: turns into what we have today.
[17:25] Speaker 2: So it's it's it's fascinating, but it is scary.
[17:28] Speaker 1: So I relate very much to your story because people
[17:32] Speaker 1: I didn't get trolled as much because I didn't come
[17:34] Speaker 1: out and say I was a psychaic media but I
[17:38] Speaker 1: but I slowly, quietly, while still doing the other thing,
[17:42] Speaker 1: started to do my thing down this path.
[17:44] Speaker 2: And then I would get calls. Everyone's Alex, what.
[17:46] Speaker 1: Are you doing? Like are you are you? Did you
[17:50] Speaker 1: find did you find Jesus? That was one of my
[17:53] Speaker 1: best friends. One of my good friends were like I,
[17:55] Speaker 1: so I say you found Jesus. Now I'm like, well,
[17:57] Speaker 1: first of all, he's not lost, and so I didn't fight,
[18:03] Speaker 1: but it's fascinating. A good lesson for everyone listening is
[18:06] Speaker 1: that if you hear that call.
[18:10] Speaker 2: Don't go crazy.
[18:11] Speaker 1: But in a sense like, don't just drop everything and
[18:15] Speaker 1: start doing it. Think about how you're going to do it.
[18:17] Speaker 1: But you have to start moving towards that direction. I'm
[18:19] Speaker 1: still very I'm still very logical in that sense. I'm like, look,
[18:22] Speaker 1: I'm not going to just leave my job because I
[18:24] Speaker 1: had a vision. Like I'm still I'm not that guy yet.
[18:27] Speaker 2: I wish I was.
[18:27] Speaker 3: I'm like, and you should be. But I have to
[18:30] Speaker 3: say this here, Alex that sometimes you will not know
[18:35] Speaker 3: when they play their hand. You just think it's happening
[18:39] Speaker 3: one after the other and then suddenly you're like, okay, Like,
[18:43] Speaker 3: for example, I never ever ever thought that I would
[18:46] Speaker 3: teach Tandra. Ever it is being trold as a psychic medium.
[18:51] Speaker 3: And then this is level two again. So you're a lady,
[18:55] Speaker 3: you're in India, You're going to teach Tandra? Really? How, why?
[19:00] Speaker 3: What gives?
[19:01] Speaker 2: And when it's done? Can you explain to people what
[19:03] Speaker 2: tantra is if they don't know.
[19:04] Speaker 3: Tantra is a path of transformation. It's a path. It's
[19:08] Speaker 3: in simple words, it is about holding consciousness and transpect it.
[19:15] Speaker 3: That's it. We make it about sex, we make it
[19:18] Speaker 3: about rituals. Go do It's not that It is literally
[19:24] Speaker 3: about raising your consciousness to a level that you can
[19:26] Speaker 3: hold the experiences. So psychic mediumship gives you visions, mediumship
[19:37] Speaker 3: helps you to interact on the other side, but tantra
[19:41] Speaker 3: helps you to hold that information and transform it totally.
[19:48] Speaker 2: What do you mean the different things you.
[19:53] Speaker 3: Experience the energy and you can go to the next level.
[19:59] Speaker 3: It's like a video game. That's how I tell my students.
[20:03] Speaker 3: Every time you have to up a level, you have
[20:05] Speaker 3: to put some coins into your thing, you know, into
[20:09] Speaker 3: your kitty, so you expand your experience. If a simple
[20:12] Speaker 3: persons to ask me, I would say, you're getting irritated
[20:16] Speaker 3: at everything. Learn to hold the experience without reaction, so
[20:20] Speaker 3: you expand your mental body, your physical body, your emotional body, everything.
[20:25] Speaker 1: Okay, So so before I go into the deepness of
[20:29] Speaker 1: how you do the work, you do after the experience
[20:34] Speaker 1: and then you're like, now you're a psychic medium. When
[20:37] Speaker 1: did you even realize that you had these abilities? I mean,
[20:41] Speaker 1: did they tell you to you in the near death
[20:43] Speaker 1: like experience where they're like, you will not be a
[20:46] Speaker 1: psychic medium, and you will teach others and you're going
[20:48] Speaker 1: to be helping hundreds of thousands of people around the world. Ye,
[20:51] Speaker 1: then so they said that great, that's talk right now.
[20:55] Speaker 1: Now what point the other side's talking, Yeah, yeah, yep,
[20:58] Speaker 1: you're going to be a psychic medium. Grow fantastic. At
[21:01] Speaker 1: what point did you actually get your first inclination that,
[21:05] Speaker 1: oh I I now can speak to to What do
[21:10] Speaker 1: you see Uncle Bob in the room?
[21:12] Speaker 3: Like?
[21:13] Speaker 2: Is that how you work? Do you hear it? Do
[21:14] Speaker 2: you see it? You smell it? How does that work?
[21:17] Speaker 2: And when it first happened to you, did it terrify you?
[21:20] Speaker 1: Because if I saw Uncle Bob walking around in the room,
[21:23] Speaker 1: it would terrify me.
[21:25] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe that's terrified.
[21:27] Speaker 2: Maybe not terrified, but it would have a few years
[21:29] Speaker 2: ago for sure.
[21:30] Speaker 3: Now you evolved and you can actually hold that experience
[21:33] Speaker 3: that that's done.
[21:35] Speaker 1: And by the way, I am not bringing I do
[21:37] Speaker 1: not want to see Uncle Bob. I'm just putting that
[21:39] Speaker 1: out there.
[21:40] Speaker 2: I don't want to see it, even though I might
[21:41] Speaker 2: be able to handle it, I'd rather not, but go ahead.
[21:45] Speaker 3: It was clear that was a clear disclaimer that to
[21:48] Speaker 3: the spirit world, yes, me boundaries. So the first time
[21:54] Speaker 3: I figured out I had psychic insights into psychic walk
[21:58] Speaker 3: is when one of my friends that you. Thank God
[22:00] Speaker 3: who understood what psychics are told me that a lot
[22:05] Speaker 3: of cases are put on Facebook, cold cases and they
[22:10] Speaker 3: take the help of psychics. And I said okay, and
[22:15] Speaker 3: I applied in two or three and there were some.
[22:17] Speaker 3: The first one I had two thousand and three hundred
[22:18] Speaker 3: comments means at a girl who was kidnapped, and two
[22:21] Speaker 3: thousand and three hundred people were trying to figure out
[22:24] Speaker 3: the address of where she was and how confident would
[22:31] Speaker 3: you be, Alex. You've just got a voice now saying
[22:34] Speaker 3: you are this, and two thousand and three hundred qualified
[22:37] Speaker 3: people are writing the address. I didn't have the guts.
[22:41] Speaker 3: My hands were shaking, and I said, you know this
[22:43] Speaker 3: is crazy. And I asked him, I said, do you
[22:45] Speaker 3: won't come to India to arrest me just because I'm
[22:47] Speaker 3: going to write what I think it is? He said no, no, no.
[22:50] Speaker 3: He encouraged me a lot. And I wrote that. And
[22:54] Speaker 3: it came from knowing what it was. A picture I
[22:58] Speaker 3: could see, and a picture I could see where the
[23:02] Speaker 3: girl was taken, and then there was blank. Later on
[23:06] Speaker 3: I came to know where there was blank was where
[23:08] Speaker 3: she lost consciousness, so till I could connect to her
[23:11] Speaker 3: consciousness I could see, and then there was a blank,
[23:14] Speaker 3: so till wherever I could see, I told them this
[23:16] Speaker 3: is what I see. I got back a call about
[23:19] Speaker 3: after two days, and I was terrified, terrified. I said,
[23:22] Speaker 3: you know, I have nothing to do with this. I
[23:24] Speaker 3: have very young children. Please spare me, because India doesn't
[23:28] Speaker 3: have these things right. I thought that they were telling
[23:30] Speaker 3: me that I had a hand in, you know, getting
[23:33] Speaker 3: out lost or something. So they said no, no, but
[23:35] Speaker 3: but we have you know, we are very intrigued by
[23:38] Speaker 3: your information and all of that. So long story shot.
[23:41] Speaker 3: I worked on eight cases, six out of which I
[23:44] Speaker 3: could solve two. I told them I can't, and they
[23:47] Speaker 3: later on told me that that person was no longer
[23:50] Speaker 3: alive because I couldn't see anything. I just could not.
[23:54] Speaker 3: So they said that am I interested in doing the
[23:56] Speaker 3: work with them. They could work remotely. I was away,
[24:01] Speaker 3: lown away, and they also figured one girl that they
[24:05] Speaker 3: could save because of that oucation. That is when I
[24:08] Speaker 3: knew that this was something serious and I stopped going there.
[24:14] Speaker 3: Now the question was okay, fine, all that is fine.
[24:16] Speaker 3: It's Facebook, it's fine social media. Now who is going
[24:19] Speaker 3: to come to you on a day to day basis.
[24:21] Speaker 3: Everyone knows you as the head of sales of a
[24:23] Speaker 3: M and C company, and now you're saying, this is
[24:26] Speaker 3: my laptop, this is need please come. Nobody would come
[24:32] Speaker 3: so that you know. So the thing cracked at that time,
[24:37] Speaker 3: but it was word of mouth that tried. I started
[24:40] Speaker 3: telling people something. But you know, the thing about psychic reading,
[24:43] Speaker 3: Alex is that things are going to happen in the future.
[24:47] Speaker 3: How will anyone know today what I'm saying is right
[24:49] Speaker 3: or not? So they would not give me references because
[24:53] Speaker 3: the future had not yet happened.
[24:55] Speaker 2: You need some time, Yeah, you need some time.
[25:00] Speaker 3: It's time. You need more people, right.
[25:02] Speaker 1: So this is why I find fascinating about your story
[25:04] Speaker 1: because you know the normal psychic path that i've and
[25:07] Speaker 1: I've spoken to a few, the normal psychic path is
[25:10] Speaker 1: you start with little readings, you start doing little things,
[25:13] Speaker 1: and you build up your confidence. No, you went straight
[25:16] Speaker 1: for missing missing children, kidnappings and police reports cold and
[25:22] Speaker 1: you just like, that's how I'm starting the process. And
[25:25] Speaker 1: that was what you needed to prove to you that
[25:27] Speaker 1: you could actually be of service to people, as opposed
[25:31] Speaker 1: to me coming to you and going when am I
[25:34] Speaker 1: going to find the love of my life.
[25:36] Speaker 2: That that's the normal path. Yeah, that's the normal path.
[25:39] Speaker 3: And you went and I said, you don't do that. No,
[25:41] Speaker 3: I skipped it. It was like a baby skip, skipping
[25:43] Speaker 3: the calling stage and directly going into running. And I
[25:46] Speaker 3: skipped that stage. And then after a few readings, they said,
[25:49] Speaker 3: but you're not here to do the readings. I said,
[25:52] Speaker 3: then what So they said, now you're here to teach.
[25:55] Speaker 3: I said, listen, I don't even have a normal client base.
[25:58] Speaker 3: Oh I teach. Oh you've got to and you've got
[26:00] Speaker 3: to teach workshops and you've got to teach this thing
[26:03] Speaker 3: called automatic writing. And that's when I started my work
[26:07] Speaker 3: in November. In February, I had my first automatic writing
[26:11] Speaker 3: in workshop directly to our workshop, and guess what. Ten
[26:16] Speaker 3: people came hands like, wow, these guys have come. Now
[26:20] Speaker 3: I have to do something I could teach them, and
[26:22] Speaker 3: I taught them whatever I knew. And I'm still connective
[26:25] Speaker 3: with the people from my first batch. They are still
[26:28] Speaker 3: available to give an interview to say how beautifully you
[26:32] Speaker 3: know and seamlessly fell into their lap. The guides told me,
[26:36] Speaker 3: you don't have to create clients, you have to create
[26:38] Speaker 3: spiritual sufficiency. So that's been my corner store, alex. I
[26:42] Speaker 3: teach people how to be their own guides.
[26:45] Speaker 1: And you were talking about missing children. You're talking about missing.
[26:48] Speaker 2: Children in the States.
[26:49] Speaker 1: You were in India, if I'm correct, you were in
[26:53] Speaker 1: India and you're and these are children missing in New York.
[26:56] Speaker 1: So you're talking to the New York Police Department or FBI.
[26:59] Speaker 3: Is it FI or I don't know who would handled it,
[27:04] Speaker 3: but I'm talking of social media messages that were coming
[27:08] Speaker 3: back and back. Jeez.
[27:10] Speaker 1: Yes, when the information, when the information comes to you,
[27:15] Speaker 1: my need is what do you feel? So you're seeing
[27:20] Speaker 1: So when it comes to missing children, it's almost like
[27:24] Speaker 1: a remote viewing, but you're viewing it through the consciousness
[27:29] Speaker 1: of the victim.
[27:31] Speaker 2: Or are you like seeing it from a.
[27:33] Speaker 1: Perspective like I see the house now, but not through
[27:35] Speaker 1: the eyes of the victim.
[27:37] Speaker 2: I'm just shown the house is the How is it work?
[27:39] Speaker 2: I'm just curious?
[27:40] Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, the first part is true. You see it,
[27:44] Speaker 3: you're safe, You're seeing it like a movie, and then
[27:48] Speaker 3: suddenly your heart is pumping very hard, and that is
[27:50] Speaker 3: where your consciousness merges into the victims. Then you're seeing
[27:53] Speaker 3: things at a little you know, very closely and then
[27:56] Speaker 3: you to pull yourself back because I didn't know how
[27:59] Speaker 3: to techt and have boundaries at that point in time,
[28:02] Speaker 3: so I would unconsciously go into either being the victim
[28:06] Speaker 3: or then being the spectator and then so it was
[28:08] Speaker 3: very uncomfortable, which is why I stopped doing this work.
[28:12] Speaker 3: I just thought it was very difficult.
[28:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you that's so, that's that's something that
[28:17] Speaker 1: happens very often in missing children and in criminal cases
[28:21] Speaker 1: and things like that, because you're a human being and
[28:24] Speaker 1: you're going to feel and you're going to so it
[28:27] Speaker 1: takes us very special kind of psychic medium to be
[28:31] Speaker 1: able to do this work because it's it is, it's
[28:34] Speaker 1: very very difficult work emotionally and psychologically for you to
[28:39] Speaker 1: deal with correct very difficult.
[28:41] Speaker 3: More than anything that I can share here on the podcast.
[28:45] Speaker 3: It gives you sleepless nights, It gives you a lot
[28:48] Speaker 3: of trauma. Even later you start looking at things through
[28:52] Speaker 3: a filter. So it was this was over a period
[28:55] Speaker 3: of two to three months, and then I decided I
[28:57] Speaker 3: don't want to do this work in any case. I've
[28:59] Speaker 3: moved on to work. And the moment I moved on
[29:01] Speaker 3: to workshops, I realized that I'm a meeting. Till then
[29:04] Speaker 3: I was only a psychic. And then one day I
[29:08] Speaker 3: went to a friend's house and her mother opened the door.
[29:11] Speaker 3: She said, I'm very unwell, and I said, okay, I'll
[29:14] Speaker 3: come and see you. And it was after office, and
[29:18] Speaker 3: I remember going from a meeting and I went to her.
[29:21] Speaker 3: Her mother opened the door and there was a distinct,
[29:24] Speaker 3: you know, aroma of something cooking in the kitchen and
[29:29] Speaker 3: she told me that, you know, so and so is inside.
[29:32] Speaker 3: And I went inside and all that, and we did
[29:34] Speaker 3: the you know, I said, what's happening, what's happening with
[29:36] Speaker 3: you and all that. After about half an hour, she said,
[29:40] Speaker 3: you know, I'm really missing my mom. It's our death
[29:44] Speaker 3: anniversary today. I I couldn't speak for some time, and
[29:51] Speaker 3: I said, you know, what does your mom look like?
[29:53] Speaker 3: Because it could have been a mother, you know who
[29:55] Speaker 3: opened the door as well, But it was not the
[29:57] Speaker 3: matherin or it was the mother who opened the door.
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[30:11] Speaker 3: And I could not I'm not joking. I called my driver.
[30:14] Speaker 3: I said, I'm very unwill get the car. Let's go.
[30:18] Speaker 3: It was very bad. It was very bad. I was
[30:21] Speaker 3: so frightened, so frightened. I cannot tell you. It was
[30:27] Speaker 3: very difficult. And that's what I try to, you know,
[30:29] Speaker 3: teach my students now that it can happen. You know,
[30:33] Speaker 3: it was very very difficult for me.
[30:36] Speaker 2: And well then good, good good.
[30:40] Speaker 3: And then I would see not everywhere, but I would
[30:43] Speaker 3: see people. So if you went to a hotel and
[30:47] Speaker 3: you wanted to go to the wash room, I would
[30:50] Speaker 3: perceive the Q to be far longer than it actually was.
[30:53] Speaker 3: It could have just been two people, but I would
[30:55] Speaker 3: see five or six people. And the people that I
[30:59] Speaker 3: would see that were not humans. Later on I came
[31:02] Speaker 3: to not like they were wearing different dresses, you know,
[31:04] Speaker 3: like olden times people used to wear slightly different dresses.
[31:09] Speaker 3: M advise you don't notice. You know, it's a cute,
[31:12] Speaker 3: it's a cue. You're on your phone, it's a cue,
[31:14] Speaker 3: you're waiting. But then you notice. Now you're like, you know,
[31:19] Speaker 3: you just want to poke. Now, imagine poking a real person.
[31:21] Speaker 3: You'll think you're nuts. So like, yeah, I'm standing here,
[31:26] Speaker 3: why are you poking me? So it was not easy.
[31:30] Speaker 3: The initial days are not easy, and I really tried
[31:33] Speaker 3: to have a spiritual school. I researched everywhere. Everyone said
[31:37] Speaker 3: it'd take you two years to develop your ability, three
[31:40] Speaker 3: year program. You have to physically come here. There was
[31:45] Speaker 3: nothing simple for people, and I said, you know, if
[31:47] Speaker 3: I cracked this, I'm going to make it very simple
[31:49] Speaker 3: for people. I'm going to tell them what to watch
[31:51] Speaker 3: out for, what to do. And that's the work I
[31:54] Speaker 3: started doing that.
[31:55] Speaker 1: Okay, so I want to go back to the first one,
[31:57] Speaker 1: the mom opening the door. So that's interesting to me
[32:00] Speaker 1: because I get that you saw them and then you
[32:02] Speaker 1: see them and and I'll ask you some questions about
[32:07] Speaker 1: that too. But the woman opening the door or the
[32:11] Speaker 1: spirit opening the door, that's physical interaction. So did you
[32:16] Speaker 1: actually was the door actually being opened and you just
[32:19] Speaker 1: walked through it? And then your friend was there and
[32:21] Speaker 1: she's like, how did you get in the house or
[32:24] Speaker 1: how did that work?
[32:25] Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
[32:26] Speaker 3: I say, yeah, I ran the belt. Okay, the door opened.
[32:31] Speaker 3: Now I've tried remembering and reminding this to figure out
[32:35] Speaker 3: whether the lady opened the door, whether the servant opened
[32:38] Speaker 3: the door. But when the door opened, I saw this
[32:41] Speaker 3: lady standing there. That's what I got it, Like, Okay,
[32:44] Speaker 3: you know you're very busy with many things. But the
[32:46] Speaker 3: door opened and this lady was standing there. Whether she
[32:49] Speaker 3: pulled it open or someone else did, I have no idea.
[32:54] Speaker 3: She was there so like a normal this thing. I said, hello, Auntie.
[32:57] Speaker 3: She said, very good. It also and so side. I'm
[33:01] Speaker 3: deliberately avoiding the name because my circle is all and
[33:06] Speaker 3: she said, you know, I said, how she she called
[33:08] Speaker 3: me inside, so she spoke.
[33:11] Speaker 2: Because you heard her.
[33:15] Speaker 3: Yes, interesting, that's interesting, Yes, totally. And and then that
[33:21] Speaker 3: my friend told me that, you know, my mother's favorite.
[33:24] Speaker 3: This thing was that same thing that I could smell
[33:26] Speaker 3: in the kitchen. So I said, and you know your
[33:28] Speaker 3: mother is also cooked this. She looked at me, she says,
[33:30] Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And we went to the
[33:33] Speaker 3: kitchen and there was nothing. There was nothing, and I
[33:37] Speaker 3: remember clearly that I could smell it. I was very angry,
[33:40] Speaker 3: and I thought, maybe once I go inside, I'll tell
[33:42] Speaker 3: her please, can I have some? There was nothing in
[33:44] Speaker 3: the kitchen, and then I asked her, I said, why
[33:47] Speaker 3: were you crying? She said, really missing my mom. I
[33:52] Speaker 3: think it was her death anniversary or something. It was there,
[33:55] Speaker 3: something was there, and she said, I'm missing my mom
[33:57] Speaker 3: so much and you know, she was so so big
[34:01] Speaker 3: and by the way, till then, neither did she know
[34:03] Speaker 3: that I'm a medium. Neither did I know that she's
[34:05] Speaker 3: in the medium, but she still called me to comfort her.
[34:12] Speaker 3: Exit from our house was scary because I.
[34:17] Speaker 2: Just how did you sleep that night?
[34:20] Speaker 3: I just I just told my father to sit on
[34:23] Speaker 3: the chair. I sat on the sofa and I just
[34:27] Speaker 3: and I told my guys, I said, after today, if
[34:30] Speaker 3: this happens to me, wait, I remember being very angry.
[34:33] Speaker 3: So they said, oh, no problem, you don't want to
[34:35] Speaker 3: see it like that. Okay, how do you want to
[34:37] Speaker 3: see it as to listen? I don't want to see
[34:39] Speaker 3: it only I don't like this only I'm not going
[34:41] Speaker 3: to do this. So they said, no, no, that's not possible.
[34:43] Speaker 3: So okay, how do you want to see it as
[34:44] Speaker 3: it like a like a blurred like a faded vision.
[34:48] Speaker 3: I don't want to see its face or whatever. And
[34:50] Speaker 3: trust me, till data I see it like that will do.
[34:53] Speaker 3: So what I want to tell you is that they
[34:55] Speaker 3: listen to you. You can tell them that listen. I
[34:57] Speaker 3: got really faked out and I can do this And
[35:01] Speaker 3: they say, oh, really, this is a very simple request.
[35:04] Speaker 3: You know, like for them, it's very ordinary.
[35:07] Speaker 2: Pray that coffee, coffee your tea. Yeah, coffee, your tea. Yeah,
[35:10] Speaker 2: well how would you like it? Exactly?
[35:13] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[35:14] Speaker 1: So so now, so when you're walking around your daily life,
[35:18] Speaker 1: do you see this, this, this blurry version of spirits
[35:22] Speaker 1: all over the place or do you have an on
[35:25] Speaker 1: off like open and close operation, like what your boundaries?
[35:29] Speaker 2: Can you explain?
[35:30] Speaker 3: I close my Chuckruss, and I close my consciousness when
[35:34] Speaker 3: I step out, otherwise I'll go mad. I tried very
[35:37] Speaker 3: in my very excite excitment field days, okay now, and
[35:45] Speaker 3: I would be interviewing with someone or I've been talking
[35:47] Speaker 3: to someone and as you know, none you would come
[35:49] Speaker 3: behind the grandmother and I'd be like, do you have
[35:53] Speaker 3: a lad in your house? And you know, some people
[35:56] Speaker 3: would be like wow, wow, and some people be like, aye,
[35:58] Speaker 3: you nuts. I had the code shoulder. So then I
[36:01] Speaker 3: realized that no, you don't do this, you just don't
[36:03] Speaker 3: do this. Yeah, but nobody told me, right, there was
[36:07] Speaker 3: no book, there was no teacher, there was no.
[36:10] Speaker 2: You haven't you hadn't watched Next Level so yet.
[36:13] Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I didn't know you believed in it? But yes, right,
[36:20] Speaker 3: so yeah, yeah, and now that's I'm very clear.
[36:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, from my understanding, it's a big no no to
[36:26] Speaker 1: just walk up to strangers or be hey, do you
[36:28] Speaker 1: know that your grandma's standing behind you?
[36:30] Speaker 2: Like you don't.
[36:31] Speaker 1: That's not a thing you should be doing unless they
[36:33] Speaker 1: ask for it, and then or if you have an indication,
[36:36] Speaker 1: like if you were having a conversation with me, like
[36:39] Speaker 1: we're at right now and someone was behind me, don't don't.
[36:41] Speaker 2: I'm not asking for it.
[36:42] Speaker 1: But if you saw someone behind me, you might say,
[36:44] Speaker 1: you know, during our interview or during our interview, I
[36:47] Speaker 1: think your grandma was behind you, or your uncle Bob.
[36:50] Speaker 1: I don't have an uncle Bob, but uncle Bob is
[36:51] Speaker 1: it behind you? And they have a message for you.
[36:54] Speaker 1: If you felt comfortable or if you had an indication
[36:57] Speaker 1: to do something like that, that would make sense.
[36:58] Speaker 2: But you're in the supermarket. It you don't walk up
[37:00] Speaker 2: the stranger and go did your mom just die? Because
[37:04] Speaker 2: she's hanging up by she.
[37:07] Speaker 3: I know what you're saying, but you know, sometimes you
[37:10] Speaker 3: don't realize. I went to a party and now here
[37:12] Speaker 3: I was with all my cross clothes, nothing called good,
[37:15] Speaker 3: all good, and this lady, you know, she was she said,
[37:18] Speaker 3: I want some wine. And I looked at her and
[37:21] Speaker 3: I said, you know, it's not going to make your
[37:23] Speaker 3: stomach ache better. And I was like, oh no, and
[37:26] Speaker 3: she was like, oh God. So yeah, those that has happened,
[37:30] Speaker 3: that has happened. Sometimes you don't know, so you have
[37:33] Speaker 3: to be very careful.
[37:34] Speaker 1: And then what's the difference between the feeling you get
[37:38] Speaker 1: in your body when it's a psychic message versus in
[37:43] Speaker 1: a mediumship message.
[37:44] Speaker 2: So they're very two different energies.
[37:47] Speaker 3: To my understanding, a psychic message is usually preceded by
[37:52] Speaker 3: a question. You make an inquiry and you get an
[37:55] Speaker 3: answer most ill unless you look at something and you
[38:01] Speaker 3: feel an energy around it. You can feel the energy
[38:04] Speaker 3: around a certain building or a person, which could be
[38:07] Speaker 3: spirit telling you. A medium would experience the energy in
[38:14] Speaker 3: a way that he has decoded for himself. For example,
[38:18] Speaker 3: if I had a very strong message from a person
[38:21] Speaker 3: who's passed over, I get tangling on my crown Jacra.
[38:26] Speaker 3: And sometimes in the beginning I used to also get
[38:28] Speaker 3: a little bit of a push say Tell Tell, I
[38:31] Speaker 3: would say, wait, wait, don't push me, await. So every
[38:36] Speaker 3: media babbage has their own decoded signs, and I teach
[38:39] Speaker 3: this to our students. But you know the I'll tell
[38:44] Speaker 3: you what the problem is. The problem is not in
[38:46] Speaker 3: getting the message. The problem is the difference between a
[38:50] Speaker 3: psychic a good psychic medium, and an average psychic medium
[38:54] Speaker 3: is the level of discernment that you have when you
[38:58] Speaker 3: get the message. How oh much are you able to
[39:02] Speaker 3: filter it from your own filters? Is it my filter speaking?
[39:06] Speaker 3: Is it a message? Is it my fear speaking? Is
[39:09] Speaker 3: it a message?
[39:10] Speaker 1: Right?
[39:11] Speaker 3: That is the main ability that you know separates the
[39:15] Speaker 3: let's say, the men from the voice. Here's that's important
[39:20] Speaker 3: because every time you look at something and say, oh,
[39:23] Speaker 3: I think you know angel so and so is your No, no,
[39:27] Speaker 3: it's not their weight. You are imagining it. So there
[39:30] Speaker 3: is imagination, there is fear. There is your own filter
[39:33] Speaker 3: of experiences that you've gone through life and you look
[39:35] Speaker 3: at things in a certain way, and now you're giving
[39:38] Speaker 3: it the name of a psychic message. So discernment is
[39:41] Speaker 3: very important. But between a psychic message, which comes as
[39:44] Speaker 3: an intution and an easy message mediumship is more intense,
[39:48] Speaker 3: is more connected to your body. You will get goost pumps,
[39:51] Speaker 3: you'll feel your body go cold hot. Like I said,
[39:54] Speaker 3: ghost bumps, or the skull. They'll tap you and in
[39:59] Speaker 3: some cases you can I feel a lot of pressure
[40:03] Speaker 3: on the areas where their death would have happened, like
[40:07] Speaker 3: for example, in India, we say the prow would have
[40:10] Speaker 3: gone from that place. Like even when I do mediumship sessions,
[40:15] Speaker 3: now my chest would just squeeze and I would say
[40:17] Speaker 3: that this person's gone through a cardiac est you know, whatever,
[40:20] Speaker 3: it must have happened. Or sometimes I would say, you know,
[40:23] Speaker 3: my stomach it's gone, but they said no, he had
[40:25] Speaker 3: a cardiac rist. I said no, the cardiacorrest would have
[40:28] Speaker 3: happened later, the main cause of death was something that
[40:31] Speaker 3: happened in the stomach, like, yeah, he had an accident
[40:33] Speaker 3: and a poll went through it and he could never
[40:36] Speaker 3: recover from that. You know, but they won't give you
[40:40] Speaker 3: that message. So as a medium and a psychic, you
[40:43] Speaker 3: would have those messages. You wouldn't have your own system
[40:47] Speaker 3: of coding those messages.
[40:48] Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, because every system, every every psychic
[40:51] Speaker 1: just deals with it a little bit differently. But the
[40:53] Speaker 1: biggest problem with psychics, mediums, even channels is determining what
[41:00] Speaker 1: is it your brain making it up? Is it your
[41:02] Speaker 1: imagination making it up? It's all those things you said
[41:05] Speaker 1: or is it an actual message? And that's where the
[41:07] Speaker 1: confusing part is is like, you know, when you're in
[41:09] Speaker 1: a let's say, in a meditative state and a conversation
[41:13] Speaker 1: starts happening in your head, I'm like, am I actually
[41:15] Speaker 1: speaking to someone?
[41:16] Speaker 2: Or is it? Or is it me having a conversation
[41:19] Speaker 2: with myself?
[41:21] Speaker 3: You know?
[41:21] Speaker 1: And I've heard different techniques to like, well does it
[41:24] Speaker 1: sound like your voice? Not like verbally, but like the
[41:28] Speaker 1: way it's being put together the words would you ever
[41:31] Speaker 1: say that word? Would you ever put a sentence together
[41:34] Speaker 1: like that? That's one way to see which is different.
[41:39] Speaker 2: But what are they saying? How are they saying it?
[41:42] Speaker 1: Is there any techniques that you have to really kind
[41:45] Speaker 1: of figure out what is coming in?
[41:48] Speaker 2: Are you making this up?
[41:49] Speaker 1: Or not?
[41:50] Speaker 3: So I teach this in automatic writing, and I think
[41:52] Speaker 3: a big way too. Things I'd like to say here.
[41:55] Speaker 3: One is that developing a very strong relationship with your
[41:58] Speaker 3: spirit dies don't directly go into you know who's speaking, etc.
[42:02] Speaker 3: So a very good relationship with your spirit guides. I
[42:05] Speaker 3: have noticed that a vagan diet, the way you prepare
[42:08] Speaker 3: your body, certain arsenas pron ions help you to get
[42:13] Speaker 3: eventually your body into a state that it is more
[42:15] Speaker 3: receptive to messages from higher consciousness rather than your own
[42:19] Speaker 3: limiting messages. The second technique I want to talk about
[42:22] Speaker 3: is to remember that Spirit is never going to hold
[42:28] Speaker 3: anybody responsible or they are not going to have any
[42:31] Speaker 3: negative messages for anyone else whereas our own mind when
[42:35] Speaker 3: we are talking say oh, this person's really negative, I
[42:37] Speaker 3: must stay away from him. This can never be the
[42:40] Speaker 3: message of spirit. So Spirit is always going to give
[42:43] Speaker 3: you messages that are more related to you know, the
[42:47] Speaker 3: spiritual values like balance, love, forgiveness. They say, oh, so
[42:53] Speaker 3: bad to you. So that's the message between a you know,
[42:56] Speaker 3: kego and or your mind and a guide. But in
[43:00] Speaker 3: the end, even to become a good medium, sometimes souls
[43:05] Speaker 3: don't speak to you, Alex. They don't. Sometimes they're in
[43:08] Speaker 3: such a depleted state that they cannot raise their level
[43:14] Speaker 3: to the level that you are. And therefore a spirit
[43:17] Speaker 3: guide is again needed to have a conversation with that
[43:20] Speaker 3: with that soul. So either which way, if you want
[43:23] Speaker 3: to develop your psychic abilities, you want to become a
[43:25] Speaker 3: psychic medium, a good one, develop a great relationship with
[43:29] Speaker 3: your guides because they can go anywhere and everywhere and
[43:31] Speaker 3: give you information about that place. And if you have
[43:34] Speaker 3: a good relationship with them, you will know what they're
[43:38] Speaker 3: trying to tell. You may not have the courage to
[43:40] Speaker 3: do it, but you will know what they're saying, and
[43:42] Speaker 3: you know how different it is. So over a period
[43:46] Speaker 3: of I would say two months, one can develop disability
[43:50] Speaker 3: very well and understand the difference. It's not very tough.
[43:54] Speaker 1: During your travels, have you. I'm fascinated because I've heard
[43:58] Speaker 1: all this in the West, but I heard it from
[44:01] Speaker 1: India and the East, which is ghosts and negative spirits
[44:07] Speaker 1: and that kind of you know stuff where from my understanding,
[44:12] Speaker 1: and please correct me if I'm wrong, spirits or quote
[44:16] Speaker 1: quote unquote ghosts that are lingering in a space are
[44:21] Speaker 1: not angry, but they have just decided to either be
[44:24] Speaker 1: really attached to this. Let's say the space a house.
[44:27] Speaker 1: Let's say a woman who lived in a house for
[44:28] Speaker 1: fifty years.
[44:29] Speaker 2: And that's her house.
[44:30] Speaker 1: She doesn't want to go, and when it's time, the
[44:32] Speaker 1: time for her soul to leave and she dies, let's
[44:35] Speaker 1: say in the house, she doesn't want to leave because
[44:37] Speaker 1: she wants you. Many don't know that they're dead. That's
[44:40] Speaker 1: one I found two that they just choose like I
[44:44] Speaker 1: don't want to go anywhere. I want to stay here.
[44:46] Speaker 2: This is my house. I want to see what's going on.
[44:48] Speaker 2: And the hauntings.
[44:50] Speaker 1: Or things like that are people who are are souls
[44:53] Speaker 1: who are just angry that people are in their house,
[44:55] Speaker 1: like get out of my house, this is my house.
[44:57] Speaker 2: They don't understand real estate law. They don't get they.
[45:03] Speaker 1: Don't understand that if you're not paying the taxes, it's
[45:05] Speaker 1: not your house anymore. So so what are your experiences
[45:10] Speaker 1: with that and did you actually have gone into haunted
[45:14] Speaker 1: areas or have encountered these kind of spirits in your work.
[45:17] Speaker 2: Just curious.
[45:19] Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
[45:26] Speaker 1: and now back to the show.
[45:29] Speaker 3: Yes, I have, I have much as we don't want
[45:32] Speaker 3: to encounter them. I have, And I got back one
[45:36] Speaker 3: spid it with me from UK right into my house
[45:39] Speaker 3: as well, which I figured out once head I was
[45:42] Speaker 3: back from Oxford. Yeah. So there's a haunted village in
[45:48] Speaker 3: India called Couldata. It's a good rut and Godada is
[45:52] Speaker 3: a place where they said that you know, there was
[45:54] Speaker 3: a it was a very evolved and modern village where
[45:58] Speaker 3: people used to stay with it lot of joy and happiness.
[46:02] Speaker 3: And one day one of the elders you know, of
[46:06] Speaker 3: the of the klan had a bad eye on the
[46:09] Speaker 3: daughter of a very you know, elderly person, and he
[46:14] Speaker 3: said that I'm going to take you call Crok tomorrow morning.
[46:18] Speaker 3: And they say that, you know, out of grief. Every
[46:23] Speaker 3: person in kold Hara, the village was emptied overnight. So
[46:30] Speaker 3: when you go there, yeah, and the people will nowhere
[46:33] Speaker 3: to be found. Now, isn't it strange that if people
[46:35] Speaker 3: leave on foot or even on camels, how far can
[46:38] Speaker 3: they go within a night? And they left things just
[46:42] Speaker 3: as they were, you know, the fire was burning, the
[46:44] Speaker 3: food was cooking, the clothes were exactly how they were.
[46:47] Speaker 3: They didn't pack anything. And it's very fascinating because a
[46:52] Speaker 3: lot of studies were you know, conducted on this that
[46:55] Speaker 3: it's called the contributage. And when I had gone to Koldhara,
[46:59] Speaker 3: forget going there, and of course I had an experience
[47:02] Speaker 3: also did a couple of lights from there. But the
[47:05] Speaker 3: experience of going to that place, Alex was so intense
[47:10] Speaker 3: that our car broke down and you know, the lady
[47:14] Speaker 3: was driving my friend, she would she would just you know,
[47:17] Speaker 3: serve the car into one area and say what are
[47:19] Speaker 3: you doing? She says, so many people, I'm going to
[47:21] Speaker 3: kill him. All that there was nobody there. So the
[47:24] Speaker 3: journey itself into Kuldhara and jesse May was very tough
[47:29] Speaker 3: for us. And we had, of course, you know, of
[47:32] Speaker 3: course we had to travel in the night. It became night.
[47:35] Speaker 3: Things got prolonged, so it was haunted. Yes, And there
[47:40] Speaker 3: were two of our friends sitting at the back in
[47:42] Speaker 3: the back seat in a moving car and I'm talking
[47:46] Speaker 3: of a very you know, good heavy car. The door
[47:50] Speaker 3: suddenly opened on the outside and he's pulling the door
[47:54] Speaker 3: from the inside and it's okay, someone's pulling it. And
[47:56] Speaker 3: we are at a speed, don't ask so and one
[48:01] Speaker 3: doesn't think, you know, one things that one has done,
[48:03] Speaker 3: one's share of karma and dead with the souls that
[48:06] Speaker 3: one releases. But no, no, no, there were people coming
[48:10] Speaker 3: on the bonnet, on the bonnet, and you just feel,
[48:12] Speaker 3: oh my god, I must turn the card because they're
[48:14] Speaker 3: just going to come on me. So I've had that.
[48:17] Speaker 3: And when we went to Coulthara the next day, I
[48:19] Speaker 3: cannot tell you the energies that I felt over there.
[48:22] Speaker 3: I didn't feel that the village left. I felt that
[48:24] Speaker 3: everybody diet. Now how did they die? How did they disappear?
[48:29] Speaker 3: That I don't know. So this is one. The second
[48:32] Speaker 3: is when I traveled to Oxford and we stayed at
[48:35] Speaker 3: I was presenting a paper there on the ten Goddesses,
[48:40] Speaker 3: and we had a good time, and I just kept
[48:44] Speaker 3: feeling very uneasy, very uneasy, very uneasy when I came back,
[48:48] Speaker 3: even during the flight back and all that. And because
[48:52] Speaker 3: you know, one doesn't do one's own clearing, etc. I
[48:55] Speaker 3: got someone in after two weeks of being very sick
[48:57] Speaker 3: and very anxious and heavy, and they had a machine,
[49:02] Speaker 3: and when they ran that machine, it would again and
[49:05] Speaker 3: again point out to one cupboard. So he says, what's
[49:09] Speaker 3: in this cupboard? I said, act in clothes. And we
[49:11] Speaker 3: opened the cupboard and he says, what's what's here? I said, shoes,
[49:15] Speaker 3: And then we opened that and those are the shows
[49:19] Speaker 3: that I had worn there. And that spirit got attached
[49:23] Speaker 3: and came here. He did not to do the clearing.
[49:25] Speaker 3: He could only spot the spirit. So I spoke to it.
[49:30] Speaker 3: It took me three days. It wanted certain things. Of course,
[49:34] Speaker 3: we just goarted the damn shoe but it wouldn't have
[49:38] Speaker 3: just gone like that. So yes, that was that was
[49:41] Speaker 3: so I do clearing of spirits as well, So I
[49:43] Speaker 3: did that. He helped me. But you can carry spirits
[49:47] Speaker 3: across nations and you know, like he was saying, keep
[49:52] Speaker 3: spirits are you know, sometimes just indigenous to a place there,
[49:55] Speaker 3: and sometimes they will travel with you.
[49:57] Speaker 2: Well that's terrifying. But you can't.
[50:02] Speaker 1: You obviously could put out, you know, protection around you,
[50:05] Speaker 1: and you have a lot of power, and you have
[50:09] Speaker 1: a lot of light if you choose to to go
[50:13] Speaker 1: towards it and to use it within yourself, you can
[50:16] Speaker 1: surround yourself in a white bubble of white light or
[50:18] Speaker 1: a circle of right light. There's many things that you
[50:21] Speaker 1: can't do to protect yourself from those kind of things
[50:24] Speaker 1: as you're walking. And obviously you didn't walk in with protection.
[50:27] Speaker 1: You didn't walk into Oxford, which, by the way.
[50:29] Speaker 2: I love Oxford. I've been there.
[50:31] Speaker 1: It's just I love that little town.
[50:33] Speaker 2: It's beautiful, beautiful town. But you walk in and you
[50:37] Speaker 2: can protect yourself. So you didn't walk in. You're like,
[50:39] Speaker 2: I'm going to Oxford, I'm doing a talk.
[50:41] Speaker 1: You didn't think about it, and then you had to
[50:43] Speaker 1: deal with it when you got back. But you're also
[50:45] Speaker 1: also a beacon for this kind of stuff because you're
[50:47] Speaker 1: a medium. Correct, it doesn't happen to everybody like that?
[50:50] Speaker 3: Correct, Then I have it. I'm going to bust a
[50:52] Speaker 3: mitya people think that they can walk in with protection
[50:57] Speaker 3: and the spirit to a locket attached to the I'm
[50:59] Speaker 3: not taking it doesn't work. I'm saying it doesn't. All
[51:02] Speaker 3: these work.
[51:03] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, you have to.
[51:06] Speaker 2: There's a it's a nuance. If you will, I'll tell you.
[51:10] Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
[51:11] Speaker 1: Something that happened to me is when I was in
[51:13] Speaker 1: New York. I'd went back probably seven years ago. This
[51:16] Speaker 1: is way before Next Level Soul, and I I went
[51:22] Speaker 1: to ground zero where nine to eleven happened.
[51:25] Speaker 2: And I'll never forget it.
[51:26] Speaker 1: And that's probably some of the he I mean, I've
[51:29] Speaker 1: been to the An Frank Museum as well, and I
[51:31] Speaker 1: felt a lot of heavy energy there. And you know,
[51:34] Speaker 1: I've been to certain places where you feel energy, but
[51:36] Speaker 1: I literally remember on the walking on the street and
[51:40] Speaker 1: then stepping up onto the sidewalk of ground zero. The
[51:44] Speaker 1: second I felt I stepped on it this heavy just
[51:52] Speaker 1: almost the lastest kind of energy was on me and
[51:56] Speaker 1: I just could like and I was there, and I
[51:59] Speaker 1: even then I was still I knew enough about you know,
[52:02] Speaker 1: like you know what, let me talk to my to
[52:05] Speaker 1: God and like, you know what, just protect me from
[52:08] Speaker 1: this energy. But I walked into it and I and
[52:12] Speaker 1: for the rest of the hour that we were in
[52:14] Speaker 1: the museum and walking around, I was it felt so
[52:18] Speaker 1: I was visceral. It was visceral in the air. And
[52:21] Speaker 1: my wife felt it as well. And even my kids
[52:24] Speaker 1: who were young, they just like, you know, they were younger,
[52:28] Speaker 1: they didn't feel it as much, but they felt something
[52:30] Speaker 1: going on. They even mentioned it around it. But you
[52:33] Speaker 1: just felt it, and the second you walked away from it,
[52:36] Speaker 1: you were like, ugh, okay, I feel I feel lighter.
[52:40] Speaker 1: But that's one experience that I remember very specifically that
[52:43] Speaker 1: was so intense because so much death happened there, so
[52:47] Speaker 1: much trauma happened on that spot.
[52:49] Speaker 2: Can you explain to people.
[52:51] Speaker 1: What happens when something like that happens in a location,
[52:54] Speaker 1: So like if there's mass death in a location, so
[52:57] Speaker 1: people go to hear in the States, get get where
[53:01] Speaker 1: the war, the Civil War happened. There was a big
[53:03] Speaker 1: battle there. They go to the field and the energy
[53:06] Speaker 1: there is apparently crazy Auschwitz in Poland, people just say like, oh,
[53:10] Speaker 1: I mean so much death and destruction. What is actually
[53:14] Speaker 1: happening on a metaphysical level to the area where this
[53:19] Speaker 1: stuff is happening. How are these energies attaching themselves to it?
[53:24] Speaker 3: So what happens is that we have a choice in debt.
[53:26] Speaker 3: We have a choice when death comes. We can either
[53:30] Speaker 3: go into the light or we can be very scared,
[53:32] Speaker 3: or very angry or very something to not go. So
[53:36] Speaker 3: that's part one. Some of the souls have not just
[53:40] Speaker 3: crossed over. They are very angry and they got stuck there.
[53:43] Speaker 3: The second thing is that when death is going to happen,
[53:47] Speaker 3: those moments before death are so intense that there is
[53:51] Speaker 3: so much of emotional vibration going on at that point
[53:55] Speaker 3: in dying and for hundreds of people together, that gets
[54:00] Speaker 3: etched in the trees, the land, the buildings, the asphalt,
[54:07] Speaker 3: everything that is around that. You know, energy goes and
[54:10] Speaker 3: attaches itself there because energy cannot be created or destroyed.
[54:13] Speaker 3: So what happens is what I have noticed that it
[54:15] Speaker 3: creates a sort of a sphere. The moment you step
[54:19] Speaker 3: out of this sphere you like, but there is a sphere,
[54:22] Speaker 3: there is an invisible circle. So even even if you
[54:26] Speaker 3: go to Stone Innge, for example, you have that same
[54:30] Speaker 3: intense experience. It's it's crazy. You just want to like
[54:33] Speaker 3: pull out, you know, and they it creates that. So
[54:39] Speaker 3: there's an electromagnetic vibration there. And because the souls are
[54:43] Speaker 3: also trapped there, they're not really letting him go. It's
[54:46] Speaker 3: a choice. You can't clear it because they are not
[54:49] Speaker 3: choosing it as a medium. A clear sols every day.
[54:53] Speaker 3: I clear Earth souls every day. And I asked them,
[54:56] Speaker 3: I said, you want to go there's that there's a queue,
[54:57] Speaker 3: there's a one that is I want to go there.
[55:00] Speaker 3: Some who said, you know, I tried to probe the
[55:03] Speaker 3: ones who say they just don't want to go. So
[55:07] Speaker 3: spots like this then become, you know, the reservoirs for
[55:10] Speaker 3: this kind of emotion, and the moment you go inside
[55:13] Speaker 3: is a fresh energy. Energy moves from high to low.
[55:18] Speaker 1: So now I want to jump to the topic of
[55:23] Speaker 1: Shiva and Kali.
[55:24] Speaker 2: You had two different you had visions with these two.
[55:27] Speaker 1: Now, I always joke that Jesus is the hardest working
[55:30] Speaker 1: man in show business because he's had everyone's near death.
[55:32] Speaker 2: Experience, so he always shows up. And I've had.
[55:38] Speaker 1: One or two in the over one hundred and fifty
[55:42] Speaker 1: or so near or more near death experiencers I've.
[55:46] Speaker 2: Spoken to that, I've had Indian.
[55:49] Speaker 1: Gods come in and Shiva, Vishnu, you know, feelings like that.
[55:54] Speaker 2: I'm fascinated.
[55:55] Speaker 1: So please talk to me about Let's talk about Shiva
[55:58] Speaker 1: first and then Kali, which is a new one from me.
[56:00] Speaker 2: I haven't heard anyone having a vision of Callie because
[56:03] Speaker 2: of who Conli is historically. So what was the vision
[56:06] Speaker 2: of Shiva that you had and how did it happen?
[56:09] Speaker 3: It was a dream, Alex, and it is one of
[56:11] Speaker 3: the most profound and vivid dreams I've had in my life.
[56:15] Speaker 3: I was at a very low stage in my life.
[56:18] Speaker 3: I was planning to work out of my marriage and
[56:20] Speaker 3: I told you eventually I did, and it was a
[56:24] Speaker 3: very tough evening. I had gone to a Shiva temple.
[56:27] Speaker 3: I was not much into temples. Being raised in a
[56:29] Speaker 3: typical army background, one would just be a good human
[56:32] Speaker 3: being and be done with it. So I've not come
[56:34] Speaker 3: from a background of temples and rituals at all. But
[56:38] Speaker 3: that night, I mean that evening, I went to a
[56:40] Speaker 3: temple and I sat at a Shiva temple and I
[56:42] Speaker 3: prayed for a very long time. What prayed I was
[56:44] Speaker 3: very sad. I spent a lot of time there. That night.
[56:47] Speaker 3: When I came back home, I had a dream and
[56:50] Speaker 3: in that dream, I had Shiva who came In that dream,
[56:54] Speaker 3: I was sitting and there's the idea of Shiva, and
[56:57] Speaker 3: suddenly I feel that he stepped out of the idea
[57:00] Speaker 3: and into my house, literally my house, and I'm like,
[57:03] Speaker 3: what are you doing? Who are you? He says, I'm
[57:05] Speaker 3: shiver and he's looking like a normal die. And I'm like,
[57:09] Speaker 3: Ye're not shive, are You're I'm wearing those clothes and
[57:10] Speaker 3: all of that. He says, but I am, okay, I'll
[57:12] Speaker 3: show you my other form. And he showed me that
[57:15] Speaker 3: whole form, and he said, do you think I should
[57:17] Speaker 3: row around with you like this? I said, of course not.
[57:20] Speaker 3: He's become a normal person. So he's wearing a pant
[57:22] Speaker 3: and you know, a shirt and everything. And I'm like,
[57:25] Speaker 3: you can't be with me. He says, I want to
[57:26] Speaker 3: spend a day with you. I said, you can't be
[57:28] Speaker 3: with me. He says, I can. He says, I said,
[57:32] Speaker 3: no people doing no, you'r Shiva. He said, no, I'm
[57:34] Speaker 3: very clothes like you. They will not know. And in
[57:36] Speaker 3: their dream alex I spent a whole day with him,
[57:40] Speaker 3: and he told me, he says, whenever you go for
[57:42] Speaker 3: a sales meeting, keep your right side, right seat empty
[57:47] Speaker 3: for me. So on that day he sat. I said,
[57:49] Speaker 3: you know, why are you sitting They think you're not
[57:51] Speaker 3: from the place that I am from. He says, but
[57:54] Speaker 3: they can't see me. I said, but you are sitting here.
[57:57] Speaker 3: So I'm doing that whole meeting. Everything's happening till date.
[58:00] Speaker 3: I leave the chair on my right entity for shire
[58:04] Speaker 3: till date. And they spent a whole day and he
[58:08] Speaker 3: said in the nighte he says, why are you going
[58:10] Speaker 3: back home? This was way back when I didn't have kids.
[58:12] Speaker 3: Why are you going back home? Let's go to a
[58:14] Speaker 3: disc I said, disk God, I said, are you nuts?
[58:19] Speaker 3: You are God, You're not supposed to be in this.
[58:21] Speaker 3: You're supposed to be in temples. He said, well, I'm
[58:23] Speaker 3: the greatest dancer. And you know that the form of
[58:26] Speaker 3: shiva was a dancer is called nutrut. And we are
[58:29] Speaker 3: we have a great evening and everything. We come back home,
[58:32] Speaker 3: and I'm telling you, I said, my maskand's going to
[58:34] Speaker 3: come back. Now, go go back inside your statue. So
[58:37] Speaker 3: I just looked at me, very calmly, and I'll never
[58:40] Speaker 3: forget his eyes. He said, never thing that God is
[58:45] Speaker 3: meant to be in a temple. Later on you will
[58:48] Speaker 3: do work that will take you to the world where
[58:52] Speaker 3: you will teach people that spirituality is daily light. By then,
[58:56] Speaker 3: by the way, I didn't even know what spirituality is,
[59:00] Speaker 3: but I remember his words very clearly, and he said,
[59:02] Speaker 3: your journey will start with me, but it will move
[59:04] Speaker 3: to shut the I didn't know who's Kali, who's Shutty.
[59:08] Speaker 3: I had no idea, so I said, okay, whatever, now
[59:11] Speaker 3: please go inside. You know you you're better off. I
[59:14] Speaker 3: can relate to you when you're there. So they said, okay,
[59:17] Speaker 3: but if ever you need me, just give me a call.
[59:21] Speaker 3: And in that dream, then he goes back into the
[59:23] Speaker 3: stut Okay, dream, Okay, I got up in the morning,
[59:27] Speaker 3: very profound and all of that. But like you said,
[59:28] Speaker 3: then what do you do. You just go to office.
[59:30] Speaker 3: You just think it's a dream. And that's but that's
[59:33] Speaker 3: where my journey started. That's where it started. And whenever
[59:37] Speaker 3: I have called him, he has I'm not joking with you.
[59:41] Speaker 3: Someone called Cheva will come into my office. Someone called
[59:44] Speaker 3: Cheva will send me a message and that work will
[59:47] Speaker 3: be done. I don't call him very often. I just
[59:49] Speaker 3: beel guilty. But it was surreal. So I really started
[59:53] Speaker 3: with it started with no rituals. It started with nothing.
[59:57] Speaker 3: You're consciousness, let.
[59:59] Speaker 1: Me ask you because i'm Because there's I think what
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: two thousand different gods in the Hindu tradition, so it's
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: difficult to keep them all in kind of order. There's
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: there's there's some that have much better pr people than others.
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: Uh so you know them better. So there's Shiva, but
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: there's Vishnu. The difference between I always confused Shiva and Vishnu.
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: What are the difference?
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: So we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: and now back to the show.
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, so there are three main gods. So Brandma, Vishnu,
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: and Dumma is the creator of the universe. He's the
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: one who's created everything, the blueprint of the world is
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: and the universe. Vishnu is the person who sort of
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: runs the show. You know, he's the preserver he's the
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: one you go to when you don't have money. He's
[1:00:58] Speaker 3: the one you talk to and all this is the blue.
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: And he's and he has the blue face.
[1:01:02] Speaker 3: No, he doesn'tnother blue face. He's the one who's sitting
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: on you know, under the sashna with his wife pressing
[1:01:09] Speaker 3: his feet in an ocean luxury and vishno right, okay, okay,
[1:01:14] Speaker 3: So that's that's right. And then there is Shiva. Shiva
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: is the destroyer. So Shiva has the third eye concept.
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: Then when the third eye opens, you know there's there's
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: you know, chaos and everything like that. So he's the destroyer.
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: So the creator, the preserver and the destroyer. So you want, yeah, balance,
[1:01:33] Speaker 3: you got to Vishnu when you have things to do
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: with emotions, when you have things like how do we
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: live in this world? What to do? How's the political scenario?
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: What should I do? You go to Shiva when you
[1:01:46] Speaker 3: need to step away from them all Maya, oh mayas,
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: the luxury of life, the illusion of Maya, which is
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: not just money but wealth, and the whole innutril, the
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: matrix m we call it the matrix. So Vishnu is
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: the preserve of the matrix. You know what goes in
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: what comes out. Shiva says, I don't have anything to
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: do with this. Let me just walk my spiritual part.
[1:02:11] Speaker 3: So Shiva is actually walking away from everything. He's not
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: got any ornaments, he doesn't believe in any of that.
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: So you want to Shiva when you want to just
[1:02:18] Speaker 3: go into Shutney. Shulia means ground zero literally crown sing,
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: So that is so my journey started from there. And
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: his wife, a form of his wife is scani.
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: Of Shiva's wife is Karl now klie KLi.
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: From my understanding is she's tough, just like me.
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: It's a little little little rough around the edges like
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: she's intense. Intense is the better word to she is.
[1:02:46] Speaker 3: She is intense.
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: So explain to the people who Calie is, and then
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: how did you and how did your vision come to be?
[1:02:54] Speaker 3: Alex Carli means kylie, Karl means time, right, so she's
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: the mother of time. Shiva is the father of time,
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: Mark Karl and Mark Cali. Carlie is the frequency of
[1:03:08] Speaker 3: a deity who destroys everything that is false. So basically,
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: Carlie creates a two point zero three point zero version
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: of you. That's what she is. She upgrades your software
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: all the time, so you're not living in tandem with
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: your values. Not good, destroy create a new one. Nay, oh,
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: not not so good, create a new one. So when
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: we go through death, then becomes a new version of herself,
[1:03:35] Speaker 3: which means the dark Knight of the soul is Calli.
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: That's so. So you go through the pain, you transform
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: and you become nice. But you don't like it when
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: you're going through that. So she controls the dark knight soul.
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: And she's also black. The dark Knight's soul is also black.
[1:03:51] Speaker 3: So black and black I mean, and black is a
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: white from any Black is also the color of you know,
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: when the child is in the wound or when the
[1:04:00] Speaker 3: seed is being planted inside, So that color always signifies
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: the birth of something new. Good. We are both back.
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: Right because without darkness there is no light, and without
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: light there is no darkness.
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: You need the two for each to exist.
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: But the light comes out of darkness, but you need
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: the darkness. That's the soil, if you will. All right,
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: So then how was your vision with Kali? How did
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: that work?
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: And were you scared with you story?
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: No, I was very irritated because she came in a
[1:04:29] Speaker 3: dream and she said, look, it's the Vali time and
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: the valley in India, there's a there's a day called
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: Kali jobs. Kalli job this means the day of KLi.
[1:04:38] Speaker 3: So she came three four days before and she said,
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: you know you have to do a Kali pooja. I
[1:04:42] Speaker 3: was like, I don't know you. I'm very scared of you.
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: I'm going to make a mistake. I was not raised
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: to handle a tusk deity. I'm not going to do it.
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: And she said, no, no, you have to do it.
[1:04:51] Speaker 3: I said, nobody will come. There's so many you know,
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: priests out there doing all those things. Why will anyone
[1:04:57] Speaker 3: comple me? She said, just put it in your group
[1:05:00] Speaker 3: and people will come. I said, and when they come,
[1:05:02] Speaker 3: what am I going to do? She said, don a
[1:05:04] Speaker 3: heaven is you know, when you light a fire with
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: some intentions and rituals. Alex again. I put it on
[1:05:11] Speaker 3: the group, feeling like a fool, and in my little
[1:05:15] Speaker 3: apartment at that point in time, I could accommodate about
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty people in the drawing room. One hundred
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: and eight turned up within one day. They were littering
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: at the elevator down they were in the colony, they
[1:05:30] Speaker 3: couldn't be seated. And I started something called the Kali
[1:05:33] Speaker 3: their Bar from there, which is honoring Markli once a
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: year through a special process. And it's been eight years
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: of doing that now planning to get it to other
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: countries now. So that's who Cali is for me. And
[1:05:47] Speaker 3: she's also she's also one of the ten mahawddyas, the
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: ten goddesses of shirt Day. And she's also related to Tandra.
[1:05:58] Speaker 3: So the Academy of Tandra is based on the teachings
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: of Kyli which says that anything that is false inside
[1:06:05] Speaker 3: of you needs to die before you become a better
[1:06:08] Speaker 3: version of yourself.
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: Well, it's like it's an analogy of our body. Our
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: body is being birth and dying every second of every day.
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: Cells or dying.
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: Cells are being born, organs are being replaced, skins being replace.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: It's constant as we age and as we continue to.
[1:06:24] Speaker 3: Add on the access of time. Right, ninety days, sixty days,
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: thirty days, and the access of time is kaydie.
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question from from someone outside
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: of the Hindu culture and Hindu religion and all the
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: traditions of Vedic traditions and all of that.
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: Why do you have.
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: So many different deities and gods? Because as a Catholic
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: we got a whole lot too. I mean, we've got
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: the big ones who have the great pr people, but
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: we have a lot of saints, we have angels, we
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: have I mean, there's a ton as well on us.
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: But I think the Hindus have cornered the market of
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: the most deities of any religion absolutely.
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: Why Why is? Why is that culturally and historically? Why
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: do you need so many?
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: Because there seems to be I mean, there's a saint
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: for almost anything in the Catholic tradition, but in Hindu
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: there just seems to be so many different deities that
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: do different things. It's it's even the Greeks had nothing
[1:07:31] Speaker 1: on you guys, you know there was There's not that
[1:07:34] Speaker 1: many gods in Greece either, So why is I'm just
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: curious where it comes from.
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: I can only answer this from an energetic perspective, but
[1:07:40] Speaker 3: it's a beautiful question. I think India and Indians have
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: and an entire spectrum of emotions and sensitivity towards a
[1:07:52] Speaker 3: lot of things. And therefore, and you know, Alex, these
[1:07:57] Speaker 3: deities are frequencies, so you've got is the frequency of transformation.
[1:08:01] Speaker 3: Krishna is the frequency of love. And I think because
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: we feel every emotion so intensely, we relate to so
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: many emotions of the spectrum that we have an expression
[1:08:13] Speaker 3: of that emotion is the deity. For example, there's a
[1:08:16] Speaker 3: deity for rain, and I typically think that. You know,
[1:08:20] Speaker 3: when India was a land that required rail as its
[1:08:24] Speaker 3: main you know, for its crop, we had a deity
[1:08:27] Speaker 3: for rain. But it's not that a deity is meant
[1:08:29] Speaker 3: to do something for you, I don't think so. I
[1:08:33] Speaker 3: think a deity is an expression of something like a
[1:08:36] Speaker 3: deity like luxury is the expression of abundance. A deity
[1:08:39] Speaker 3: like Vishno is the expression of you know, the preserver.
[1:08:44] Speaker 3: So Indians, I think they feel a lot, they express
[1:08:48] Speaker 3: a lot. It's a culturally very rich place and very democratic.
[1:08:53] Speaker 3: So you know, every region will also have its own
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: regional deity. So even if in a yeah, so you've
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: got to also create the regional data to protect because
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: the land typically belongs to the regional data. We call
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: it the sha trip. So we honor so many energies
[1:09:11] Speaker 3: inside and outside us that I think, in a way
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: it's beautiful unless it becomes sar based and ritualistic. I
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: think it's great to have emotions and expressions, but if
[1:09:23] Speaker 3: it becomes laden with oh, if you didn't do this,
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: this would happen, that I think is horrible and that
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: is not something that is daily based. I think that's
[1:09:30] Speaker 3: something that is society based. As you know, sometimes the
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: priests would do create fear in people, which is I
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: think the worst thing to do, which is very prevalent
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: in India. Oh you don't fast on this day, this
[1:09:41] Speaker 3: will happen. You don't light a lamp like this, this
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: will happen. That's exhausting, and I think from there, yeah, yeah,
[1:09:50] Speaker 3: I think it's we need to understand it as energy.
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: Yes, if you don't go to church on Good Friday
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: or on Ash Wednesday or this or that, this will
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: happen or that will happen, and it's just like really.
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: Really, it's just not sitting there to punish us. I
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: firmly believe that God is an observer. It's an energetic observer,
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: like you know, may I knew there's a mountain, right,
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: It's an observer. It's listening to a podcast with that's it.
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense and for people listening
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: it just you know, twenty thousand years ago, there were humans.
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: There were humans on the planet. What were they were
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: doing is up for debate. Was there an Atlantis? Up
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: for debate? Was there ancient civilizations? Sure?
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: Whatever, But there were human beings on the planet. That's
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: not deniable. So if they didn't fast on a certain
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: day back then, they didn't know about it because they
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: hadn't been developed yet.
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: So what happened to all those souls?
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: Well, all that and you know they didn't There was
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: no good Friday, There was no good Fridays, There was
[1:10:53] Speaker 1: no Jesus, there was no Buddha, there.
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: Was there was no raw, there was no Isis. There
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: was none of that stuff fives and years ago.
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: So all these rules that have been created by religion,
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: what happened to all the souls prior to religion?
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: The rules that have been created by religion are to
[1:11:09] Speaker 3: control man. They they are not plastic. No one is interested,
[1:11:14] Speaker 3: by the way, I don't think that it's important to
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: you know, exhaust people that share. Fear has become a
[1:11:23] Speaker 3: selling point, you know, and religion and fear have been
[1:11:26] Speaker 3: used for the longest time across the world to control people,
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: their emotions and of course.
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: The de Naro as they say.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: Many where can people find out more about you and
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: the amazing work you're doing in the world.
[1:11:44] Speaker 3: On my website and in my book that is coming
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: in the spring of twenty twenty seven.
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: Well, can you give you the website? What's the website?
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: I'm trying to help you.
[1:11:57] Speaker 2: What's your website? You are around.
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: I'm a very reclusive person, so I'm trying hard not
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: to say it's money Kumar dot com, M A N
[1:12:07] Speaker 3: M I T k U M A double R dot
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: com and that's where I post my blogs. And yeah,
[1:12:14] Speaker 3: I'm I'm happy to be on your podcast, but I'm
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: very reclusive by the ways, so I don't market myself well.
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: I think, well, I well, I appreciate you being on
[1:12:24] Speaker 1: the show, and I will put a link to that
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: on the show notes as well for everybody to go to. Yeah,
[1:12:30] Speaker 1: you don't do a lot of podcasts. It's not something
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: that you do often. I do a few here and there, right,
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: but not many.
[1:12:38] Speaker 3: I'm increasing that I'm trying to work hard on it.
[1:12:40] Speaker 3: I'm I'm trying a lot of my work, Alex takes
[1:12:43] Speaker 3: me into the depths of consciousness where I don't actually
[1:12:46] Speaker 3: want to emerge from. It's very nice, it's deep. It's
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: a lot of conversation with the spirit guides. I want
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: to say this that it's very difficult to maintain two identities,
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: and eventually you will notice that mystics will go eventually
[1:13:03] Speaker 3: into their inner identity. It becomes very difficult for them
[1:13:07] Speaker 3: to have a very you know, show bized kind of
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: a thing, and then you know, it's very difficult to switch.
[1:13:13] Speaker 3: I can't explain. So half your life is running on
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: calendars and corust me. The rest half is, you know,
[1:13:19] Speaker 3: with your diets and the downloads that you're receiving from them,
[1:13:23] Speaker 3: and you know, planning courses and content and all of that.
[1:13:26] Speaker 3: So it's like you're living two lives.
[1:13:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, very much so.
[1:13:30] Speaker 1: And you one thing I had the other day, I
[1:13:33] Speaker 1: had an Indian guru who came onto the show and
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: he said something that floored me. And I'd love to
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: hear your thoughts about this, because he's his name is Gurunath.
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: He's very well known in India and he's starting to
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: become more well known here in the States.
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: And I adore him. He's a wonderful man.
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: But when he came into the studio, He's like, do
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: you have any garbage food? And I thought, I was like,
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: what do you? Because we have mostly healthy food in
[1:14:03] Speaker 1: the in the studio because we're health conscious. And he's like,
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: I need garbage food. I need something to ground me
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: because if not, I go off to like you were
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: saying that you like you go to places out of
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: consciousness that you don't want to come back. He's like,
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: I need something to ground me because sometimes I'll just
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: go and I don't want to come back. So the
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: garbage food actually it almost anchors him to the earth
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: or to the physical reum so he.
[1:14:26] Speaker 2: Doesn't fly off in a certain way.
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: It's like a grounding and kind of go what well,
[1:14:33] Speaker 1: what garbage food? And he's like do you have a
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: Snickers bar? And I'm like, oh my god, no we don't.
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: We will next time you come. I'll make sure to
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: have plenty of garbage food for you next time. We
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: found him some chocolate cover pomegranates and he was like,
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: that'll do.
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: Uh.
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: It's just fascinating. Is that is that makes sense to you?
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: Is that something that that what do you think of that?
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: I think grumming is very important one tends to either
[1:14:59] Speaker 3: go into your own like he said, go off. You
[1:15:03] Speaker 3: could be having a conversation here and I could have
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: another window in my mind where there's another conversation going on.
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: So he grounds himself like that. I ground before every conversation.
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: I ground with my own month us and with my
[1:15:15] Speaker 3: own hand action. So my hands are not visible here,
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: but there are actions that are continuously doing here to
[1:15:21] Speaker 3: remain here. So it's a fact. It's not like I said.
[1:15:24] Speaker 3: And you know, eventually, please notice, everybody will eventually go
[1:15:28] Speaker 3: within themselves and then become less whatever. The only reason
[1:15:32] Speaker 3: why many of us, at least I come on a
[1:15:34] Speaker 3: podcast is because I want to tell people that come
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: through is real. It's easy, it's not something that you
[1:15:39] Speaker 3: need to be afraid of, and really get the Sanatan
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: wisdom and the ancient wisdom to a common man and
[1:15:45] Speaker 3: make him less dependent on other people. You become a
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: psychic medium on your own. Why can't you be sufficient?
[1:15:51] Speaker 3: So my teaching mode is on all the time, and
[1:15:53] Speaker 3: so I want to tell people that listen, don't be dependent.
[1:15:56] Speaker 3: It's nice to go once in a while a spiritually
[1:15:59] Speaker 3: sufficient society. But yes, so I don't have garage food.
[1:16:02] Speaker 3: I have my hand gestures and my mum jazz dram me.
[1:16:06] Speaker 3: But that's true what he said.
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: Very cool. But it's been such a pleasure meeting you.
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: If during your next when you have your book tour,
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: if you come to the States, please, if you can
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: make it to Austin, we would love to have you
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: in the studio.
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: It would be a pleasure to meet.
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: Thanks to have you here.
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: But thank you so much for stating here, and thank
[1:16:23] Speaker 2: you for all the work you're doing to awaken the planet.
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: Thank you, nex, thank you. It's a pleasure being here.
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[1:16:34] Speaker 1: us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,
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