# The Book of Enoch & the Discovery of the Real Noah's Ark with Robert Edward Grant

An episode of [Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1560904383), 17 Oct 2026, 59 min.

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Why is the Book of Enoch capturing so much attention, and could ancient stories contain clues about humanity's spiritual evolution? In this fascinating conversation, Robert Edward Grant returns to Next Level Soul to explore the Book of Enoch, the mysterious Watchers, Noah's Ark, sacred geometry, and surprising connections between ancient civilizations. From Orion and the pyramids of Egypt to the Ramayana, the Odyssey, and the story of Metatron, Robert shares his interpretation of how these seemingly separate traditions may point toward a larger story of human consciousness and spiritual awakening. We also explore claims surrounding a possible Noah's Ark discovery, the Nephilim, ancient flood narratives, the origins of Lucifer, the symbolism of the Eye of Horus, and the possibility of two different paths for humanity's future. Could these ancient stories reflect our struggle to reconcile spirituality with the physical world? And what might they reveal about the meaning we give to our experiences? Join us for an expansive conversation about forgotten wisdom, the mysteries of human history, and the importance of remaining open to new perspectives. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/next-level-soul-podcast-with-alex-ferrari--4858435/support. Take your spiritual journey to the next level with Next Level Soul TV — our dedicated streaming home for conscious storytelling and soulful transformation. Experience exclusive programs, original series, movies, tv shows, workshops, audiobooks, meditations, and a growing library of inspiring content created to elevate, heal, and awaken. Begin your membership or explore our free titles here: https://www.nextlevelsoul.tv

## Transcript

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[1:25] Speaker 1: or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive
[1:28] Speaker 1: into today's episode. I'd like to welcome back to the show,
[1:32] Speaker 1: returning champion, Robert Edward Grant. How you doing, brother?
[1:35] Speaker 2: Hey, Alex. How are you?
[1:37] Speaker 1: I'm good, man.
[1:38] Speaker 2: I'm good.
[1:39] Speaker 1: Good to see you, man. Well, first of all, thanks
[1:42] Speaker 1: for obviously being back on the show. I don't know
[1:45] Speaker 1: if this makes, I think, seven, episode seven that you've
[1:47] Speaker 1: been on with me.
[1:47] Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, wow.
[1:49] Speaker 1: It's been a bunch. You've been in studio a few times,
[1:53] Speaker 1: but you're a busy man flying around the world doing
[1:55] Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. So I got you on Zoom
[1:57] Speaker 1: this time. Hopefully next time you're in Austin, you can
[1:59] Speaker 1: swing by. But sir, there's been a lot of stuff
[2:04] Speaker 1: going A lot of things going on in the world.
[2:07] Speaker 1: But one thing I wanted to kind of dive into
[2:09] Speaker 1: with you in this conversation is something that I found
[2:13] Speaker 1: out just a few moments ago that you have been
[2:15] Speaker 1: actively reading for the last two weeks. And I just said, hey, man,
[2:20] Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Book of Enoch. I
[2:22] Speaker 1: really haven't had a real deep conversation about the Book
[2:25] Speaker 1: of Enoch. And you're like, how the hell do you
[2:27] Speaker 1: know that I've been reading the Book of Enoch?
[2:29] Speaker 2: You're monitoring me. Yeah.
[2:33] Speaker 1: I hacked into your AI, sir. And it's actually seeing
[2:37] Speaker 1: everything you're doing. Wow.
[2:41] Speaker 2: It's not very interesting. If you could see everything I did,
[2:43] Speaker 2: you'd probably be like, that's pretty boring, man. Is he
[2:46] Speaker 2: reading again? Oh, God. Yeah, exactly.
[2:54] Speaker 1: So let me ask you, why do you think the
[2:56] Speaker 1: book of Enoch is suddenly everywhere right now? It's one
[2:58] Speaker 1: of those things that's on the top of a lot
[3:00] Speaker 1: of people's lists and people are interested in it. And
[3:03] Speaker 1: it is one of those books that was removed from
[3:07] Speaker 1: the Bible. Some people say left out, but I say
[3:10] Speaker 1: it was physically removed because it is– If I'm not mistaken,
[3:13] Speaker 1: in the Ethiopian version of the Bible, it is in
[3:16] Speaker 1: that Bible. So why do you think the Book of Enoch,
[3:20] Speaker 1: before we get into what it is, why do you
[3:21] Speaker 1: think it's everywhere right now? A lot of people are
[3:23] Speaker 1: asking about it.
[3:24] Speaker 2: I think the answer to your question is actually a question.
[3:29] Speaker 2: Why do you think the Odyssey became the biggest hit
[3:32] Speaker 2: movie this summer? And I know you're a movie buff, so.
[3:36] Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I've seen it twice already and in
[3:38] Speaker 1: the theater. And I believe that, well, there's two reasons. One,
[3:44] Speaker 1: and the most important, Chris Nolan. Chris Nolan has so
[3:47] Speaker 1: much good karma, cinema karma, that he could basically- And credibility. Yeah,
[3:55] Speaker 1: that's cinema karma and credibility go hand in hand. Because
[3:58] Speaker 1: of him as a filmmaker- He's done so many amazing
[4:02] Speaker 1: movies over the last two decades that he could pretty
[4:04] Speaker 1: much show up and read the Yellow Pages and someone's
[4:08] Speaker 1: going to pay a ticket to see it because it's
[4:10] Speaker 1: Chris Nolan. I mean, look what he did with Oppenheimer.
[4:13] Speaker 1: I mean, that's ridiculous. A physicist. And it turned into
[4:18] Speaker 1: a billion. So what he did with The Odyssey is amazing.
[4:22] Speaker 1: So I think a return back to these older stories
[4:26] Speaker 1: is another reason is people were like, wow, there is
[4:28] Speaker 1: so much value. The Odyssey for me was haunting and
[4:32] Speaker 1: it stuck with me. And movies that stick with you
[4:35] Speaker 1: after you watch it and doesn't let go, that I
[4:38] Speaker 1: pay attention to. And that's rare nowadays. You don't see
[4:41] Speaker 1: that as often. It used to happen a lot in
[4:42] Speaker 1: the 90s, especially in the 90s with like Fight Club
[4:45] Speaker 1: and The Matrix and those, even Pulp Fiction, like those
[4:49] Speaker 1: movies that kind of just stuck with you and just
[4:51] Speaker 1: kept replaying in your head because they had these stories
[4:54] Speaker 1: were so deep where now you don't get as much
[4:56] Speaker 1: of that from the studio system. So he's a rare...
[4:59] Speaker 1: a rare bird to be able to do what he's doing.
[5:02] Speaker 1: There's a handful of directors who could do that, but
[5:03] Speaker 1: he's arguably the only one. If Spielberg would have made
[5:07] Speaker 1: or Scorsese would have made The Odyssey, it would have
[5:09] Speaker 1: done okay, but it wouldn't have become a phenomenon. It
[5:12] Speaker 1: just wouldn't have, in my opinion.
[5:13] Speaker 2: I have another question for you then. There's a big
[5:16] Speaker 2: movie coming out this fall, next month, actually, yeah, next month,
[5:21] Speaker 2: that is coming out of Bollywood that is related to
[5:25] Speaker 2: The Odyssey. Do you know what it is?
[5:27] Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. What's the name?
[5:29] Speaker 2: The Ramayana.
[5:31] Speaker 1: Oh, I have heard of the Ramayana.
[5:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:33] Speaker 1: Is that coming out here?
[5:34] Speaker 2: That's coming out worldwide. Yeah.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
[5:36] Speaker 2: It's coming out worldwide. Now, how are these two stories connected?
[5:40] Speaker 2: And I want to get something if I can. Hold
[5:43] Speaker 2: on one second.
[5:44] Speaker 1: Oh, of course. Of course. The bow. Yes. The bow. Yes.
[5:53] Speaker 2: So now, this is... A real old, it's a newly made,
[6:00] Speaker 2: but it's a longbow made in the ancient style. It's
[6:04] Speaker 2: a legit one, right? This is legit. I got this
[6:07] Speaker 2: as a gift. It had the whole thing. It was like,
[6:10] Speaker 2: someone sent it to me. It was amazing. I was like, whoa,
[6:11] Speaker 2: this is epic. And I actually shoot it and everything.
[6:13] Speaker 2: And these are real like wooden arrows with the real
[6:17] Speaker 2: feathers and everything. So you remember in the movie, The Odyssey,
[6:25] Speaker 2: In the beginning, it shows him and he's like making
[6:28] Speaker 2: this bow. And then he does this thing. Of course,
[6:32] Speaker 2: it has a more cinematic sound to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[6:37] Speaker 1: Oh, so good.
[6:38] Speaker 2: Right? So good. And then, of course, at the end,
[6:42] Speaker 2: when he returns as a beggar, cloaked, he has to,
[6:48] Speaker 2: he's given the challenge by his wife, Penelope, who doesn't
[6:51] Speaker 2: know that he is Odysseus. And the challenge is to
[6:56] Speaker 2: all the suitors that were basically overrunning his kingdom, someone
[7:01] Speaker 2: has to be strong enough to string his bow and
[7:05] Speaker 2: shoot the arrow through the 12 axes and hit the target, right? Now,
[7:12] Speaker 2: that is actually smacking of an ancient story also, but
[7:17] Speaker 2: it's slightly different. And both are related to gaining kingship.
[7:22] Speaker 2: In the Ramayana, Rama.
[7:25] Speaker 2: Basically has to prove that he's worthy of being king.
[7:27] Speaker 2: And the way that he has to prove that he's
[7:29] Speaker 2: worthy of being king is he has to string the
[7:32] Speaker 2: bow of Shiva.
[7:32] Speaker 1: Okay.
[7:35] Speaker 2: Now, this is all related to Enoch. You just didn't
[7:37] Speaker 2: know it.
[7:38] Speaker 1: Okay.
[7:39] Speaker 2: And stringing the bow of Shiva, and what happens in
[7:42] Speaker 2: the Ramayana, Rama is so strong, he breaks the bow
[7:45] Speaker 2: of Shiva. Right? And so that begins the process where
[7:50] Speaker 2: he becomes the king. So it's like the beginning of
[7:53] Speaker 2: a cycle, right? And then he has to go through
[7:56] Speaker 2: this whole cycle of being lost and then come back
[7:58] Speaker 2: and reclaim his kingship. And the reclaiming of kingship is
[8:01] Speaker 2: what we see in the story of the Odyssey. And
[8:04] Speaker 2: the Roman version of this, right, the Latin version would
[8:07] Speaker 2: be Ulysses, which is kind of interesting because that relates
[8:10] Speaker 2: to me. There's a very famous grant in history, my namesake,
[8:14] Speaker 2: and his name is Ulysses or U.S. Grant. He won
[8:17] Speaker 2: the war, the Civil War versus Robert Edward Lee. And
[8:21] Speaker 2: I was named after both of these Civil War generals.
[8:23] Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.
[8:26] Speaker 2: Right? So there's a great Netflix documentary on Grant, really
[8:30] Speaker 2: worth watching.
[8:30] Speaker 1: All right.
[8:31] Speaker 2: It shows how he wins this war. So this is
[8:37] Speaker 2: somehow related to Enoch. And I can tell you the
[8:40] Speaker 2: way it's connected. There is one very, very large constellation
[8:44] Speaker 2: that we have in the sky that shows up in
[8:46] Speaker 2: virtually almost every sacred site around the world. And it
[8:51] Speaker 2: is Orion. Orion. Now, certain depictions of Orion have Orion
[8:56] Speaker 2: with a club, and other depictions, and he's holding a fleece,
[9:00] Speaker 2: and other depictions have Orion holding a bow and arrow, right?
[9:04] Speaker 2: So this is the same, you know, hero throughout time.
[9:08] Speaker 2: In Hungary, it was referred to as Nimrod. Nimrod's also
[9:13] Speaker 2: referenced in the Bible. In Mesopotamia, it's more related to Hayek.
[9:21] Speaker 2: Tyche is also the same kind of a great hunter.
[9:25] Speaker 2: Then we also have the story of Orion and Artemis,
[9:27] Speaker 2: and Artemis kills Orion inadvertently or accidentally because of her
[9:32] Speaker 2: brother Apollo. Then we also have Osiris is the same constellation.
[9:37] Speaker 2: Osiris and Isis are the two constellations. And by the way,
[9:41] Speaker 2: Shiva and Shakti are the exact same constellations. In the
[9:46] Speaker 2: story of Ramayana, it starts off, he's with Sita, they're
[9:50] Speaker 2: in a forest, and they see this golden deer. And
[9:53] Speaker 2: next thing you know, he's off chasing the golden deer
[9:56] Speaker 2: with a bow and arrow. So this is a symbology.
[10:00] Speaker 2: of something related to this evolution of mankind, going from
[10:05] Speaker 2: holding a club, which is a very imprecise, blunt instrument,
[10:10] Speaker 2: to the precision of a bow and arrow. Now, this
[10:14] Speaker 2: is interesting because the story of Enoch, is also related
[10:19] Speaker 2: to Orion. And Enoch is a man who becomes angelic.
[10:25] Speaker 2: And we've talked about this before, right? We've had a
[10:27] Speaker 2: podcast before. We talk about Enoch and we talk about,
[10:30] Speaker 2: because you asked me about who is Thoth, who is Metatron,
[10:34] Speaker 2: who is Enoch. What is all those? Saint Germain, all
[10:37] Speaker 2: this stuff. What if I told you they're all the
[10:40] Speaker 2: same archetype?
[10:44] Speaker 1: Okay.
[10:45] Speaker 2: They're all the same archetype. And we see this in
[10:49] Speaker 2: the hero's journey. The story of Orion, who even in
[10:53] Speaker 2: the Vitruvian Man, it's Orion. You've got Orion's Day in
[10:56] Speaker 2: the Vitruvian Man by Leonardo da Vinci. If you look
[10:58] Speaker 2: at his stomach, his abs are not just ripped. His
[11:01] Speaker 2: abs have three diamonds on them. Why do they have
[11:04] Speaker 2: three diamonds? Because those three diamonds represent the three belt
[11:07] Speaker 2: stars of Orion. And if I showed it to you
[11:10] Speaker 2: right now, you'd be like, whoa, what the heck? And
[11:12] Speaker 2: if you look at his throat, da Vinci drew his
[11:15] Speaker 2: throat in the shape of a bull's head. literally has
[11:18] Speaker 2: the shape of a bull's head because that's the Apis bull.
[11:21] Speaker 2: Nandi represents Shiva. It's the Apis bull. The Shiva constellation,
[11:28] Speaker 2: Orion constellation are all the same. Mount Meru, which I
[11:31] Speaker 2: know you've probably heard of and studied, is supposed to
[11:34] Speaker 2: be the home of Shiva. Well, the original name of
[11:36] Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid is Mer. If I spoke it in Japanese,
[11:40] Speaker 2: it'd be pronounced Meru because it's a glutinative language that
[11:44] Speaker 2: has to end in a vowel. So this story of
[11:48] Speaker 2: Enoch is actually the story of man going through the
[11:51] Speaker 2: hero's journey and forgetting that he's an angel and then
[11:54] Speaker 2: remembering that he's an angel. This is why the book
[11:57] Speaker 2: of Enoch is now showing up in all of our consciousness.
[12:01] Speaker 2: Why did I all of a sudden start listening to
[12:02] Speaker 2: the book of Enoch? I've read it before, but somebody
[12:05] Speaker 2: told me to go back and study it in depth.
[12:08] Speaker 2: Because this is the story of mankind's ascension. It's the
[12:13] Speaker 2: story of us remembering who we are.
[12:15] Speaker 1: And that's why the Odyssey is something that.
[12:18] Speaker 2: That's why the Odyssey is in the consciousness. That's why
[12:20] Speaker 2: Ramayana is in the consciousness. That's why you asked me
[12:23] Speaker 2: about the Book of Enoch, because it's all the same story.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Interesting. So in the Book of Enoch, and tell everybody
[12:32] Speaker 1: a little bit about the Book of Enoch, it's about
[12:33] Speaker 1: an angel who forgets who he is, and then.
[12:38] Speaker 2: Well, in the story, basically what it does, it's not
[12:41] Speaker 2: telling it from the story or the context that he's
[12:44] Speaker 2: an angel who forgets who he is. But it does
[12:46] Speaker 2: tell the story of how the beginning of the world
[12:49] Speaker 2: began and how there were these fallen angels that came
[12:52] Speaker 2: as well. They were teaching esoteric knowledge and then And
[12:56] Speaker 2: you have to basically parse out, remember, this shows up
[12:59] Speaker 2: in the Nakamadi text. This shows up, you know, in
[13:02] Speaker 2: what we found in Qumran, right? But also, it was
[13:05] Speaker 2: also in the Ethiopian Bible. And probably the cleanest version
[13:09] Speaker 2: of this, and none of this was canonized in the
[13:13] Speaker 2: Council of Nicaea that happened, you know, around the 3rd
[13:17] Speaker 2: century A.D., When Emperor Constantine decided to convert to what
[13:23] Speaker 2: they refer to as Catholicism, and they said, oh, well,
[13:25] Speaker 2: even though we crucified Peter upside down in the Vatican,
[13:30] Speaker 2: we'll basically just say Peter was the first pope, and
[13:32] Speaker 2: I'm just one of the lineage of that popehood, right?
[13:35] Speaker 2: That's basically how it went down.
[13:38] Speaker 1: I think the politician would.
[13:41] Speaker 2: That's right. They decided, yeah, if I can't beat him,
[13:43] Speaker 2: I'll join him. So they decided what books would end
[13:46] Speaker 2: up in the Bible and what books would be excluded
[13:48] Speaker 2: from the Bible. Not that they were saying that the
[13:51] Speaker 2: book of Enoch was necessarily heretical. Not that they were
[13:54] Speaker 2: saying there was a heretical text. But what they're saying
[13:57] Speaker 2: is this is really not for virgin eyes. So someone
[14:02] Speaker 2: who doesn't really understand spirituality, this is too much for them.
[14:05] Speaker 2: You know, there's like talk of giants and floods and,
[14:09] Speaker 2: you know, like having sex between like angels and men
[14:13] Speaker 2: and what's going on here. And then they're teaching all
[14:15] Speaker 2: kinds of strange stuff. And there's a whole giant section
[14:17] Speaker 2: in there about a calendar. Why is all this stuff
[14:20] Speaker 2: in here? Why also now, all of a sudden, in
[14:25] Speaker 2: the last 24 hours, they've now declared... in many media
[14:29] Speaker 2: outlets that we found Noah's Ark.
[14:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard about that. Is that, I mean, yeah,
[14:34] Speaker 1: I heard something about that, that they were drilling down.
[14:37] Speaker 1: I saw some videos of it and they're like, this
[14:39] Speaker 1: is it.
[14:42] Speaker 2: So for a long time, people were like, wait a minute,
[14:44] Speaker 2: the biblical measurements. And remember, Enoch was the grandfather of Noah.
[14:51] Speaker 2: He was the father of Methuselah. If we go back
[14:54] Speaker 2: to the Genesis account. So Of course, the flood plays
[14:59] Speaker 2: a role in this. Enoch was alive at the time
[15:01] Speaker 2: of the flood, supposedly, in the book of Genesis. So
[15:05] Speaker 2: when we look at this and you look at the
[15:06] Speaker 2: story of Noah's Ark, Noah's Ark is supposed to be
[15:08] Speaker 2: 300 cubits long, right? And it's supposed to be, which
[15:15] Speaker 2: would be, you know, if we use the biblical cubit,
[15:18] Speaker 2: which is one and a half feet long, then that's
[15:22] Speaker 2: not matching the exact length of what the measured purported
[15:28] Speaker 2: arc is on top of one of the mountains not
[15:30] Speaker 2: far from Ararat. I think it's like 18 kilometers away
[15:33] Speaker 2: or something like that. And it never said in the
[15:36] Speaker 2: Bible that it landed on Mount Ararat. It said it
[15:38] Speaker 2: landed on the Ararat Mountains.
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[15:52] Speaker 2: So they measured it. They're like, it doesn't really fit
[15:54] Speaker 2: the measurement, but it does look like a boat. If
[15:56] Speaker 2: you haven't seen it, it definitely looked kind of like
[15:58] Speaker 2: a boat. It fits the description in many ways. And
[16:03] Speaker 2: then they realized, wait a minute, maybe we're using the
[16:05] Speaker 2: wrong cubit measurement. They assumed it was one and a
[16:08] Speaker 2: half feet. Maybe the cubit measurement is actually the Royal
[16:10] Speaker 2: Egyptian cubit, the one that the pyramid was built on.
[16:14] Speaker 2: And if you use that measurement, the measurements match perfectly.
[16:17] Speaker 2: Turns out to be 157 meters exactly, which is half
[16:21] Speaker 2: of pi. 1.5707 is half of pi.
[16:26] Speaker 1: So do you believe that what they found is Noah's Ark?
[16:28] Speaker 1: I do. Really?
[16:30] Speaker 2: And it matches the height. So you should get someone
[16:33] Speaker 2: on your podcast to talk about this, but it matches
[16:35] Speaker 2: the height, the 30 cubits high, right? And the width
[16:38] Speaker 2: is also matching. Now, what they just did is they
[16:40] Speaker 2: did some core samples where they drilled in and they
[16:43] Speaker 2: found the same structures as described- partitions, right, as described
[16:50] Speaker 2: in the Bible of exactly the three stories of the ark.
[16:56] Speaker 2: So now, wait a minute. Why all of a sudden
[16:58] Speaker 2: are we all coming back to these ancient stories of
[17:02] Speaker 2: the flood, Enoch, you know, the Ramayana, the story of
[17:09] Speaker 2: Ulysses and Odyssey, the Odyssey? What's going on? It's the
[17:14] Speaker 2: hero's journey. We're on the hero's journey, and we're going
[17:18] Speaker 2: through the cycle of time.
[17:19] Speaker 1: So right now, and for people who don't understand the
[17:22] Speaker 1: hero's journey, I've studied that ad nauseum. Joseph Campbell came
[17:27] Speaker 1: up with the hero's journey many, many years ago, and
[17:29] Speaker 1: it's the basis of the most perfect execution of the
[17:32] Speaker 1: hero's journey is probably Star Wars. It's pretty much just
[17:37] Speaker 1: beat by beat perfect.
[17:39] Speaker 2: By the way, I've watched every Star Wars movie right
[17:42] Speaker 2: before Burning Man.
[17:44] Speaker 1: As you should, sir. Yeah, exactly.
[17:46] Speaker 2: But again, that's also in the consciousness. It's the concept
[17:51] Speaker 2: of the warrior monk. It's the concept of the Jedi, right?
[17:55] Speaker 2: And the return and the reconciliation. And now we're in
[17:58] Speaker 2: the stage of mastery of the two worlds. The split
[18:02] Speaker 2: that Dolores Cannon was referring to that was coming, the
[18:06] Speaker 2: split in the earth, the two earths, it's a relational
[18:09] Speaker 2: also to this concept of the two worlds, mastery of
[18:13] Speaker 2: the two worlds. It's being able to unite heaven and spirituality,
[18:18] Speaker 2: or heaven, spirituality, and the earth plane in manifestation. It's
[18:22] Speaker 2: the return.
[18:23] Speaker 1: So that is, but that is what I've heard from
[18:27] Speaker 1: many people I've spoken to, is that other civilizations, maybe
[18:33] Speaker 1: around the universe, through channelings and through even esoteric writings,
[18:39] Speaker 1: they are able to do exactly that. It's like a
[18:42] Speaker 1: hybrid between they're not fully in spirit, but they're not
[18:45] Speaker 1: fully here. This is a very dense reality where a
[18:48] Speaker 1: more evolved civilization, they have to have telekinesis, being able
[18:53] Speaker 1: to talk telepathically, these kinds of things. These are ideas
[18:57] Speaker 1: that have been around for centuries. And that is kind
[19:00] Speaker 1: of where we're supposed to supposedly going in this cycle.
[19:04] Speaker 1: In the yugas right now, we're on our upward swing
[19:07] Speaker 1: right now past the dark ages. And now we're going
[19:09] Speaker 1: towards the age of enlightenment, which is going to take
[19:11] Speaker 1: a minute. But this is a very pivotal, these next
[19:15] Speaker 1: 50 years, it's very pivotal for humanity.
[19:18] Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt. So but you asked the question,
[19:20] Speaker 2: you know, why is this coming up now? I believe
[19:23] Speaker 2: it's the exact same reason. But I've just said, why Enoch?
[19:27] Speaker 2: Enoch is just this archetypal story of the city that
[19:32] Speaker 2: he basically was responsible for translated. It went up into heaven.
[19:37] Speaker 2: He walked with God. And in the, you know, Kabbalistic tradition,
[19:43] Speaker 2: they have this concept of Metatron. The Greek pronunciation of
[19:48] Speaker 2: it is Metron. And it's supposed to be this like
[19:53] Speaker 2: angel who's in the sacred geometry. And that's what Enoch was.
[19:59] Speaker 2: Enoch was very much in the geometry. He's explaining the geometry.
[20:03] Speaker 2: of the calendar and the precision of it.
[20:06] Speaker 1: So the book of Enoch does not come from Judaism.
[20:10] Speaker 1: It does not come from the Torah, or does it?
[20:12] Speaker 2: It would also be kind of considered the non-canonical. It's
[20:17] Speaker 2: books that are recognized as being sacred.
[20:20] Speaker 1: Scripture, but they're not.
[20:23] Speaker 2: Part of the five books of the Torah. The five
[20:25] Speaker 2: books of the Torah are Genesis, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Exodus. Right.
[20:32] Speaker 2: Those are the books that we know of as the
[20:35] Speaker 2: five books that were written by Moses. So what we
[20:37] Speaker 2: think of as the Torah is all predominantly the books
[20:40] Speaker 2: of Moses. These are all the books of Moses. These
[20:43] Speaker 2: are non-canonical books that are studied and rabbis study them.
[20:47] Speaker 2: And they definitely know about this concept of Metatron for sure.
[20:52] Speaker 2: And they believe that it's directly associated with Enoch. And
[20:56] Speaker 2: Enoch becomes an angel. And it's all matching exactly my
[21:00] Speaker 2: work too on the Giza Plateau. So you know that
[21:03] Speaker 2: the Giza pyramids are all the three belt stars. The
[21:07] Speaker 2: three belt stars, and we see this everywhere. I'm going
[21:09] Speaker 2: to Teotihuacan in a few weeks, and there's three belt
[21:12] Speaker 2: star formation there as well. And you can't say that
[21:16] Speaker 2: they're totally separate because the height of the pyramid called Katminkari,
[21:21] Speaker 2: which is the third pyramid on Giza Plateau, is 216 feet.
[21:25] Speaker 2: The height of the Pyramid of the Sun in Teotihuacan,
[21:27] Speaker 2: 216 feet. The base is 756 feet. for both the
[21:33] Speaker 2: Pyramid of the Sun and the Great Pyramid of Giza.
[21:36] Speaker 2: Pyramid of the Sun and Teotihuacan, totally separated places. And
[21:40] Speaker 2: then the base width of the Pyramid of the Moon
[21:43] Speaker 2: in Teotihuacan is the exact same height as the Great Pyramid.
[21:47] Speaker 2: So you could say that they split up Menkaure Pyramid
[21:51] Speaker 2: and the Great Pyramid, and they spread it across these
[21:54] Speaker 2: three pyramids and their portions.
[21:57] Speaker 1: How did that happen? It's obviously a coincidence.
[22:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty incredible coincidence, right?
[22:08] Speaker 1: So there are other books though, Robert, like the Gospel
[22:10] Speaker 1: of Mary Magdalene, and there are other- Gospel of Thomas. Yeah,
[22:16] Speaker 1: Gospel of Thomas. So there are other books that were
[22:19] Speaker 1: just taken out, but still survived somehow.
[22:22] Speaker 2: Yes, they're referred to as the apocryphal, as the apocryphal
[22:26] Speaker 2: texts by some, or also referred to as the apocrypha.
[22:30] Speaker 1: All right.
[22:31] Speaker 2: So why I mention this, though, is we think of
[22:35] Speaker 2: the Giza Plateau as related to these three belt stars
[22:39] Speaker 2: of Orion. But what if I told you there's another
[22:42] Speaker 2: constellation that actually matches, potentially even better, the association of
[22:47] Speaker 2: those three stars and the way the pyramids align? And
[22:51] Speaker 2: that other constellation is called the Swan. It's Cygnus. Now,
[22:57] Speaker 2: Cygnus is across the sky. And the swan has white
[23:00] Speaker 2: wings that look like angelic wings. What I found is
[23:03] Speaker 2: that I found two new pyramids on the Giza Plateau
[23:05] Speaker 2: that are Southwest of Menkaure Pyramid. And those two new
[23:09] Speaker 2: pyramids are matching exactly the maps from four different cartographers
[23:14] Speaker 2: from the 15th, 16th and 18th centuries. They never talked
[23:18] Speaker 2: to each other. Those pyramid placements are matching the star
[23:22] Speaker 2: locations When you put an overlay, the Cygnus constellation on
[23:27] Speaker 2: top of the three pyramids, they match perfectly. And then
[23:31] Speaker 2: there's two other locations of stars called Omicron Cygni and
[23:36] Speaker 2: Zeta Cygni. Those two star locations are matched exactly where
[23:41] Speaker 2: the two other pyramids are. So it means those are
[23:44] Speaker 2: now become the wings because it's on the swan. These
[23:47] Speaker 2: are the wings. The three stars are right in the body,
[23:50] Speaker 2: but then it starts to go out to the wings
[23:52] Speaker 2: of the swan. What it's basically telling us is that
[23:56] Speaker 2: in the story of Osiris, Osiris loses his ability because
[24:01] Speaker 2: he gets killed, right? He dies and he ends up
[24:03] Speaker 2: getting reincarnated as Horus. Horus takes on the battle with
[24:07] Speaker 2: Set and Set plucks out his left eye, the left
[24:09] Speaker 2: eye of intuition, the feminine. Okay. Our calendar system, we
[24:14] Speaker 2: have a 365.24 day calendar. For the solar cycle, we
[24:20] Speaker 2: have a 354.6-day lunar cycle. If you average those two together,
[24:27] Speaker 2: they're exactly 360 days. Now, how did that happen? The
[24:32] Speaker 2: reason that happened is that we forgot to include the
[24:35] Speaker 2: feminine aspect in our calendar system. That's really what's happened, right?
[24:41] Speaker 2: And the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians, they all used 360-day calendars.
[24:45] Speaker 2: So this was kind of known, but we somehow lost it.
[24:49] Speaker 2: We lost it. So what happens is that the story
[24:53] Speaker 2: of the hero's journey is that Horus, which is really Enoch, Osiris, right?
[24:58] Speaker 2: It's really the same folks over and over and over
[25:01] Speaker 2: again has to get back the eye of Horus, the
[25:05] Speaker 2: left eye of Horus, to awaken the third eye of Thoth.
[25:09] Speaker 2: the third eye in the center of the forehead. The
[25:12] Speaker 2: third eye of Thoth is this combination of warrior and monk.
[25:19] Speaker 2: It's the ability to hold multivariate opposing viewpoints and be
[25:24] Speaker 2: able to do so in equanimity and without judgment. And
[25:27] Speaker 2: it's the ability to have pure intuition that's next level beyond.
[25:32] Speaker 2: The other name for this is called the eye of Shiva.
[25:35] Speaker 2: Shiva constellation is also Orion. So what has to happen?
[25:39] Speaker 2: The story is, is that Orion has to ascend. And
[25:42] Speaker 2: as Orion ascends, he gets back the eye of Horus.
[25:46] Speaker 2: He gets back the eye of the feminine. He awakens
[25:48] Speaker 2: the third eye of Shiva. And as the third eye
[25:50] Speaker 2: of Shiva is awakened, the swan descends upon him. So
[25:55] Speaker 2: Orion has to make the traversal across the entire northern
[25:59] Speaker 2: sky to get the descension of the swan that's flying
[26:04] Speaker 2: down upon him. And it gives him his wings. So
[26:07] Speaker 2: when you place the wings on top of those three pyramids,
[26:11] Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now you've got Orion and Osiris
[26:14] Speaker 2: and the Vitruvian man getting his wings. It's literally getting
[26:20] Speaker 2: the angelic wings back. It's about opening the eye of
[26:24] Speaker 2: Horus that then leads to the opening of the eye
[26:26] Speaker 2: of Shiva, the eye of Thoth, as it's also called.
[26:30] Speaker 2: And Shiva is not only a name that showed up
[26:32] Speaker 2: in the Eastern world, region of the world in India
[26:36] Speaker 2: and in China, et cetera. It shows up as Siwa
[26:39] Speaker 2: in Egypt. Siwa is a place of induction. It's a
[26:44] Speaker 2: place of initiation. I'm gonna go there on a trip
[26:46] Speaker 2: next year. So the point is that this is the
[26:50] Speaker 2: story and it's a story of Enoch transcending. And is
[26:54] Speaker 2: there some sort of big cataclysm coming? Maybe in one
[26:56] Speaker 2: of the versions of earth? I think that's why the
[27:00] Speaker 2: Noah's Ark thing is coming up.
[27:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think also, But could it be a,
[27:06] Speaker 1: if there is a cataclysm, it might not be a
[27:09] Speaker 1: physical one, though it might be more of a spiritual one.
[27:13] Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? Something happened that could just
[27:16] Speaker 1: set everything off in a way that awakens mass. I
[27:20] Speaker 1: say mass awakening, and I'm saying the entire planet will
[27:23] Speaker 1: awaken up at the same time. It'll go in stages,
[27:25] Speaker 1: but something happens. You know, is it disclosure, like actual,
[27:29] Speaker 1: you know, contact? Is it, you know, a great discovery
[27:33] Speaker 1: like Noah's Ark and everyone's just starts saying, or something
[27:36] Speaker 1: else that they discover like, hey, here's, Jesus wrote this book.
[27:40] Speaker 1: We just found it. He actually wrote something down. Look,
[27:44] Speaker 1: and we can move it. He wrote some stuff down
[27:48] Speaker 1: on some post-its, you know, kind of thing. It could
[27:52] Speaker 1: be something like that. Cause I, I'm hoping, but I,
[27:55] Speaker 1: this is, I'm on the fence really on this, Robert,
[27:58] Speaker 1: because I don't think there's going to be a giant
[28:00] Speaker 1: cataclysm that will wipe out the planet or anything like that.
[28:03] Speaker 1: But I do think that there's going to be stages
[28:05] Speaker 1: of things that there'll be collapses and we're seeing it
[28:08] Speaker 1: already collapses in.
[28:09] Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, that is for sure. I mean, we're
[28:12] Speaker 2: already seeing the collapse of what we know of as
[28:14] Speaker 2: civilization right now.
[28:15] Speaker 1: It started, it's slow. It's slow. Well, just like in Rome,
[28:18] Speaker 1: Rome didn't fall in a day. It took a while.
[28:21] Speaker 2: That's right. It takes, it takes a while. It definitely
[28:23] Speaker 2: takes a while for it to fall apart, but it's,
[28:26] Speaker 2: It's I would say it's moving pretty fast right now.
[28:30] Speaker 1: God, it is, isn't it?
[28:32] Speaker 2: It's super fast. I mean, it's like a breakneck pace.
[28:35] Speaker 2: Even for me, I have a hard time because like you,
[28:36] Speaker 2: I grew up in the same time frame. I liked
[28:38] Speaker 2: the same movies. I had kind of an idyllic childhood
[28:42] Speaker 2: and the world was good to me. It's not like
[28:44] Speaker 2: I had a bad life in the old world. I
[28:46] Speaker 2: didn't have a bad life. I had a good life.
[28:48] Speaker 2: I was successful. You know, it worked for me. I'm
[28:51] Speaker 2: one of the people that maybe the old world worked for.
[28:54] Speaker 2: But I think what's happening now is the realization that
[29:00] Speaker 2: what we thought was the objective truth was never truly
[29:06] Speaker 2: an objective fact or truth. It was merely a facet.
[29:10] Speaker 2: It's not a fact. It's a facet of a larger
[29:14] Speaker 2: prism of truth. And now we have to realize that
[29:18] Speaker 2: the way that we've been seeing the world in this
[29:21] Speaker 2: unipolar viewpoint, was really just the way that we believed
[29:25] Speaker 2: we thought would benefit us the most. Because we're unwilling
[29:31] Speaker 2: to see anything else. Now I've never had, have you
[29:33] Speaker 2: ever had an objective experience?
[29:36] Speaker 1: What do you mean by an objective experience? Can you
[29:38] Speaker 1: define that?
[29:39] Speaker 2: Where it's... undeniable that your experience was being identical to
[29:43] Speaker 2: anyone else having the exact same experience and how you
[29:45] Speaker 2: would describe it after the fact.
[29:47] Speaker 1: Sure.
[29:48] Speaker 2: Give me an example of one.
[29:50] Speaker 1: An objective experience? I mean, everyone is going to have
[29:54] Speaker 1: a different perspective because everyone's filter is different and everyone's
[29:57] Speaker 1: life experience is different. So I could eat a burger.
[29:59] Speaker 1: And go, that's the best burger I ever had. And
[30:00] Speaker 1: somebody else can eat the burger and go, that is
[30:02] Speaker 1: dog crap. So you're right. No, I have not had that.
[30:06] Speaker 1: I've had something that I've eaten similar things or I've
[30:08] Speaker 1: seen similar things or I've been in similar things and
[30:10] Speaker 1: experienced similar things. But everyone's filter and baggage that they
[30:14] Speaker 1: bring along in their soul's journey is going to, you know,
[30:18] Speaker 1: taint it. So no, it's impossible.
[30:21] Speaker 2: Exact. Okay. So then how do we have science?
[30:25] Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
[30:31] Speaker 1: And now back to the show. Science is something that
[30:36] Speaker 1: you can prove and quote unquote, prove, recreate, test, experiment.
[30:44] Speaker 1: And then the same thing happens again and again and again,
[30:47] Speaker 1: no matter how many times you try it. And it's
[30:49] Speaker 1: just proof like, well, that's actually just the way that
[30:51] Speaker 1: works because I can prove it again and again and
[30:53] Speaker 1: again and again. So one plus one is two. One
[30:55] Speaker 1: plus one is two. No matter what you do, one
[30:57] Speaker 1: plus one is two, generally speaking. There is some one
[31:01] Speaker 1: plus one equals A, but that's a whole other conversation.
[31:04] Speaker 2: So you could say then, so I think what you're
[31:06] Speaker 2: actually saying is that the experience might actually be the same,
[31:10] Speaker 2: like you and I could eat the burger, right? But
[31:14] Speaker 2: the meaning that we ascribe to that experience is entirely subjective.
[31:18] Speaker 1: Completely.
[31:20] Speaker 2: Right? And so that's the ontology that we're basically attaching
[31:23] Speaker 2: to it. Ontology is a study of meaning, right? It's
[31:27] Speaker 2: the meaning. So You could say one plus one is two,
[31:30] Speaker 2: but what does that actually mean? A math with no
[31:32] Speaker 2: meaning is just information, but math with meaning can become
[31:35] Speaker 2: divine communication.
[31:36] Speaker 1: Correct.
[31:36] Speaker 2: How you attach meaning to your experience is what we're
[31:39] Speaker 2: all actually doing. Maybe that's what we actually call space time.
[31:43] Speaker 2: So the point is that these stories that we have
[31:46] Speaker 2: from the Ramayana to Odyssey to the hero's journey, and
[31:51] Speaker 2: it wasn't created by Joseph Campbell. No. Found by Joseph Campbell. Synthesized.
[31:58] Speaker 2: It was synthesized. He took thousands and thousands of stories
[32:02] Speaker 2: throughout human history and looked at the common denominators. And
[32:06] Speaker 2: they were all the same storyline. And movie makers have
[32:09] Speaker 2: learned to master this. Because if you don't, you're not
[32:13] Speaker 2: going to have a great movie. You look at Lord
[32:16] Speaker 2: of Rings. You said the perfect example of it is
[32:18] Speaker 2: Star Wars. Star Wars is a great example of it.
[32:21] Speaker 2: It's literally the battle, right? And every detail in between.
[32:26] Speaker 2: So this whole concept is, I think, what's coming into
[32:30] Speaker 2: the consciousness right now. That your experience, whether you like
[32:34] Speaker 2: it or not, has entirely been, for your entire life, subjective.
[32:39] Speaker 2: It's not objective. Because any meaning you ascribe to that
[32:43] Speaker 2: experience has been entirely painted by your own subjectivity.
[32:47] Speaker 1: Your own life experience, of course.
[32:50] Speaker 2: So that's why this is coming up. Now, do I
[32:53] Speaker 2: think there's going to be a cataclysm?
[32:54] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[32:55] Speaker 2: I can't tell you that. I can't say one way
[32:58] Speaker 2: or another. I believe that what Dolores Cannon says is right.
[33:02] Speaker 2: I believe there's going to be two existences. People that
[33:05] Speaker 2: go more into judgment and people that go more into non-judgment.
[33:10] Speaker 2: And this realization that there are multiple ways of seeing
[33:13] Speaker 2: the world and describing meaning to it, and that each
[33:16] Speaker 2: of those is entirely subjective. Hmm. That's what I believe.
[33:22] Speaker 1: That's where we're going.
[33:24] Speaker 2: And I believe that's where we're going.
[33:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I've been hearing that
[33:30] Speaker 1: from many people I've spoken to in my own research
[33:33] Speaker 1: is that the two Earths, the two existences, that there's
[33:37] Speaker 1: going to be a group of us that will decide
[33:42] Speaker 1: to live in another timeline, quote unquote another timeline. and
[33:45] Speaker 1: another group can live elsewhere. And that happens right now.
[33:48] Speaker 1: You and I are having a very, you know, beautiful conversation,
[33:51] Speaker 1: peaceful conversation about this. Now, other people, it's fast. All
[33:56] Speaker 1: you gotta do is look at the comments of this conversation.
[33:58] Speaker 1: When this comes out, just look at the comments. And
[34:00] Speaker 1: some people will say, this is the greatest thing I've
[34:03] Speaker 1: ever seen in my life.
[34:04] Speaker 2: Yes, and some people are gonna be like, this is
[34:05] Speaker 2: total bullshit.
[34:06] Speaker 1: This is all BS. This is, this is absolute heresy.
[34:10] Speaker 1: I can't believe you're talking about this. This is the
[34:11] Speaker 1: only way. So you just, I've kind of like, look,
[34:15] Speaker 1: when I look at comments, I'm like, well, this is,
[34:17] Speaker 1: this is their filter. This is their story that they're
[34:20] Speaker 1: holding on to regardless of it. Because we could look
[34:23] Speaker 1: at the exact same conversation. It's fascinating to see that
[34:25] Speaker 1: some people are like, I don't like Robert's shirt. I
[34:28] Speaker 1: don't like the way he's sitting right now. Why did
[34:30] Speaker 1: he bring that bow out? That's violent. Like there's a
[34:33] Speaker 1: thousand stupid things that people could say. You know what
[34:37] Speaker 1: I mean? And other people are like, oh, my God,
[34:39] Speaker 1: how cool is that? He was talking about that. So
[34:41] Speaker 1: it's all, it's absolutely subjective, completely. And it has little
[34:44] Speaker 1: to do with you and me. That I realized. It
[34:46] Speaker 1: has really little to do with you and me because
[34:48] Speaker 1: they don't know us personally. So that's an example of
[34:53] Speaker 1: the subjective aspect of the work that we're doing, but
[34:55] Speaker 1: also the subjective factor of everything that we interact with
[35:00] Speaker 1: as humanity. I can look at the book of Enoch,
[35:03] Speaker 1: you can look at the book of Enoch and interpret
[35:04] Speaker 1: it two different ways. I'd argue that both you and
[35:07] Speaker 1: I will probably be similar camps. In the way that
[35:10] Speaker 1: we look at it, other people will look, this is heresy.
[35:12] Speaker 1: This is not part of the original canon. And the
[35:14] Speaker 1: original canon is like the word of God. You know
[35:16] Speaker 1: what I mean? And they get caught up in all
[35:18] Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So it's fascinating to watch.
[35:20] Speaker 2: To me, I do find that the timing of all
[35:22] Speaker 2: this is very interesting, though, because I look at the world.
[35:25] Speaker 2: I'm a student of observation. I look around me to
[35:29] Speaker 2: see what things are in the awareness, because it's not
[35:32] Speaker 2: a universe to me. It's a universe. Mm-hmm. So the
[35:35] Speaker 2: story of Enoch is a man who walks with God,
[35:38] Speaker 2: who becomes, you know, he's also referred to as the only,
[35:41] Speaker 2: you know, he's like literally like a perfect man. And
[35:47] Speaker 2: he ends up ascending and bringing his whole city with him,
[35:49] Speaker 2: the city of Enoch. And is it coincidence that Eno is,
[35:58] Speaker 2: you know, like in Hebrew, everything has to end with like.
[36:03] Speaker 2: It's kind of like it's only consonants. There's no vowels
[36:06] Speaker 2: in the language. There's no vowels written in the language.
[36:10] Speaker 2: So you've got yod, hey, vav, hey. That's ya, we.
[36:15] Speaker 2: It's like a breath.
[36:15] Speaker 1: Ya, we. Ya, we.
[36:18] Speaker 2: Well, when you think about this as well, it's like, okay,
[36:22] Speaker 2: we had to put into the words the vowels. So
[36:25] Speaker 2: it's only consonants. We put in the words. So if
[36:28] Speaker 2: you have a word like eno, how would it end? Eno,
[36:31] Speaker 2: I laugh because I'm like, wait, that's like the one backwards.
[36:35] Speaker 2: E-N-O backwards. The one backwards. It's like an anagram.
[36:40] Speaker 1: Or like Neo.
[36:42] Speaker 2: Like Neo, exactly.
[36:45] Speaker 1: One, Trinity, Morpheus. I mean, let's not get into it.
[36:48] Speaker 1: That's right. We should do a whole episode. We could
[36:51] Speaker 1: go there.
[36:51] Speaker 2: Now you're in a rabbit hole right there.
[36:53] Speaker 1: We should absolutely do an episode just on the Matrix.
[36:57] Speaker 2: So here's the backdrop, right? We've got Enoch, who's supposed
[37:00] Speaker 2: to be this grandfather of Noah. It's the time of
[37:02] Speaker 2: the flood. His city somehow translates, goes to a different existence.
[37:10] Speaker 2: Maybe they choose a different timeline. to experience, to get
[37:15] Speaker 2: called up into heaven, into this ascension. It seems kind
[37:19] Speaker 2: of like an interesting parallel of what we're talking about now.
[37:22] Speaker 1: Let's dive into the Book of Enoch for a second,
[37:23] Speaker 1: even deeper. There's this concept of the watchers. Can you
[37:27] Speaker 1: explain to people what the watchers are? Because, you know,
[37:31] Speaker 1: I think Stan Lee took it straight from the Book
[37:34] Speaker 1: of Enoch for Marvel, because in Marvel, there are the watchers.
[37:39] Speaker 1: And there is one called the watcher who watches over
[37:41] Speaker 1: our reality. And it's like this being that just watches
[37:46] Speaker 1: everything and doesn't interfere, but can kind of like whisper
[37:50] Speaker 1: and guide people, but generally just observe. And if things
[37:54] Speaker 1: get out of hand, they step in.
[37:55] Speaker 2: They have a prime directive, like Star Trek.
[37:57] Speaker 1: It's a prime directive. Exactly. It's a prime directive. So
[38:01] Speaker 1: who are the watchers in the Book of Enoch?
[38:03] Speaker 2: So it's interesting because... gosh, there's so many interpretations of
[38:07] Speaker 2: this and I'm only gonna give you what I believe
[38:09] Speaker 2: they are, okay? So I'm not trying to make a claim.
[38:12] Speaker 2: I'm not Wes Huff is gonna basically try to say
[38:15] Speaker 2: whatever and just throw it out and see what spaghetti
[38:17] Speaker 2: sticks to the wall. No, I'm gonna tell you, I'm
[38:19] Speaker 2: a student of this first and foremost. I want to
[38:23] Speaker 2: understand it better, but I also feel like the more
[38:25] Speaker 2: I learn, the less I know. So that's my caveat.
[38:29] Speaker 2: That clear? Fair enough. So in the story, you have
[38:35] Speaker 2: angels that were supposed to come from higher dimension that
[38:38] Speaker 2: came down to earth, right? These angels were listed and
[38:42] Speaker 2: they're named in the book of Enoch as well. So
[38:44] Speaker 2: you could see the names of them. And some of
[38:46] Speaker 2: them sound like really almost like evil sounding names, like Azazel, right?
[38:51] Speaker 2: They've got all kinds of bizarre names. Interestingly, the name
[38:55] Speaker 2: Metatron is not listed. And Metatron is supposed to be
[38:58] Speaker 2: an archangel that's supposed to be at the level of,
[39:01] Speaker 2: if not higher than even, is also referred to by
[39:04] Speaker 2: Kabbalistic rabbis as the little Yahweh. The little Yahweh. Or
[39:10] Speaker 2: the lesser Yahweh is the correct way to say that.
[39:14] Speaker 2: So it's notably missing. And then you've got Mikael and
[39:17] Speaker 2: you've got all of the other Raphael and Gabriel. They're
[39:20] Speaker 2: all basically listed on this. The Watchers, in this context,
[39:25] Speaker 2: these angels come down to earth. They're supposed to, I guess,
[39:29] Speaker 2: just supposed to watch over the place, right? And yet
[39:32] Speaker 2: somehow they kind of come into it. They're like, hey,
[39:36] Speaker 2: let's look at the comely daughters of the children of men.
[39:40] Speaker 2: And the comely daughters of the children of men, all
[39:43] Speaker 2: of a sudden are these beautiful women. And we saw
[39:45] Speaker 2: that they were beautiful. And so one of them decides
[39:48] Speaker 2: one day, let's start mating with them. as angels, and
[39:51] Speaker 2: that creates the giants, supposedly described as red-haired giants that
[39:57] Speaker 2: basically wreak havoc on the land. We have multiple rows
[40:00] Speaker 2: of teeth and all this stuff. So these were sort
[40:04] Speaker 2: of angels that were supposed to have been good, but
[40:07] Speaker 2: somehow come down into this dimension and get defiled.
[40:10] Speaker 1: Corrupt, yeah, corrupted.
[40:12] Speaker 2: Corrupted, right? They get corrupted. They teach the things that
[40:16] Speaker 2: they're not supposed to teach. is how it describes it
[40:18] Speaker 2: as well. They do the stuff that they're not supposed
[40:21] Speaker 2: to do. They teach the stuff. They have sex with
[40:23] Speaker 2: the women. They're not supposed to do that. And this
[40:25] Speaker 2: is like evil and bad. This is part of the
[40:27] Speaker 2: reason why the flood had to come, to wipe it
[40:29] Speaker 2: all out, to cleanse the whole thing.
[40:33] Speaker 1: Yeah. So it wasn't, so the flood didn't come to
[40:36] Speaker 1: wipe away man's sins. It came to deal with this issue.
[40:42] Speaker 2: Also this issue, yes. It doesn't say it was only
[40:45] Speaker 2: this issue, but this was one of the things that
[40:47] Speaker 2: lists that needed to be basically fixed. Okay, so that's
[40:50] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It does conspicuously tie to this Noah's
[40:56] Speaker 2: Ark showing up right now. That's how I see this.
[40:59] Speaker 2: And so basically these watchers were entrusted with this responsibility
[41:05] Speaker 2: and somehow they're teaching people astrology, they're teaching people magic, incantations, right?
[41:12] Speaker 2: They're teaching people science and the knowledge of wisdom of God. Now,
[41:18] Speaker 2: why would they do that? Why would they do that?
[41:22] Speaker 1: Bored? I mean, why?
[41:26] Speaker 2: Maybe they're just, I mean, there is an argument that
[41:29] Speaker 2: says maybe that's because that's what they were supposed to do. Now,
[41:36] Speaker 2: think about this for a moment. I remember when I
[41:40] Speaker 2: went to, I used to be Mormon. I'm not Mormon anymore.
[41:45] Speaker 2: But in the Mormon temple, they have something that is
[41:48] Speaker 2: taken from the Freemason rites and it's the temple ceremony.
[41:56] Speaker 2: So I was lucky because I guess I got to
[41:58] Speaker 2: learn the temple ceremony of Freemasonry by virtue of the
[42:01] Speaker 2: fact that I was Mormon, even though I never learned,
[42:04] Speaker 2: I never was Freemason because it's a very similar system. Now,
[42:10] Speaker 2: some say that part of the reason why the Freemasons got,
[42:12] Speaker 2: you know, why Joseph Smith got murdered in the end
[42:14] Speaker 2: was because he defiled and broke the covenant of not,
[42:19] Speaker 2: you know, that's supposed to be confidential. You're not supposed
[42:21] Speaker 2: to share that information with anyone. And yet he did
[42:24] Speaker 2: and made it put it into the temple endowment. So
[42:28] Speaker 2: in the temple endowment, there's one philosophy, and it actually
[42:32] Speaker 2: has this whole thing. I'm not divulging anything really terribly
[42:36] Speaker 2: confidential here, but they reenact the whole beginning of the
[42:40] Speaker 2: Garden of Eden in the Mormon temple rite.
[42:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[42:45] Speaker 2: So in the Mormon temple, right, they have a reenactment
[42:47] Speaker 2: of the Garden of Eden. And there is Adam and
[42:50] Speaker 2: there is Eve. And they have little fig leaves. And
[42:53] Speaker 2: this is why they have aprons also in Freemasonry. Same thing.
[42:56] Speaker 2: It's kind of representing why God shows up and says, Adam,
[42:59] Speaker 2: what are you doing? Oh, where were you? I was hiding.
[43:01] Speaker 2: Why were you hiding? Because I was ashamed. Why were
[43:04] Speaker 2: you ashamed? Because I was naked. Who told you you're naked?
[43:07] Speaker 2: Did you eat of the fruit of the tree of
[43:08] Speaker 2: knowledge of good and evil? I told you not to. Yeah.
[43:11] Speaker 2: And I told you the day you do it is
[43:13] Speaker 2: the day thou shalt surely die. Yeah. The woman that
[43:17] Speaker 2: you gave me, that bitch, she gave me the fruit
[43:20] Speaker 2: and I ate it. Eve, what did you do? The
[43:23] Speaker 2: serpent beguiled me and I did eat. Now, there is
[43:26] Speaker 2: a philosophy that says even the act of Lucifer basically
[43:32] Speaker 2: tempting Eve to give her the fruit of the tree
[43:35] Speaker 2: of knowledge of good and evil. And that's what the
[43:37] Speaker 2: description is, is that Lucifer is then described as a snake.
[43:40] Speaker 2: that will have the power to bruise your heel, but
[43:45] Speaker 2: mankind will have the power to crush your head, is
[43:47] Speaker 2: the description.
[43:48] Speaker 1: In the Bible. Hold on one second. I wanted to
[43:51] Speaker 1: touch on something that I haven't really dived into before.
[43:55] Speaker 1: The Old Testament of the Bible is essentially the Torah, correct?
[43:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Genesis. That's what you're thinking of right now
[44:01] Speaker 2: is Genesis.
[44:02] Speaker 1: Correct. Yes, it's the Torah. So it comes from Judaism. Okay,
[44:08] Speaker 1: to my understanding... The concept of the devil and Lucifer,
[44:15] Speaker 1: wasn't that a new, and please correct me, it wasn't
[44:18] Speaker 1: New Testament, it was all Old Testament? Because there's no hell.
[44:22] Speaker 1: According to the Jewish tradition, there is no hell. It
[44:25] Speaker 1: just goes into something. So who is the snake? And
[44:29] Speaker 1: if it is the devil, then where else is the
[44:31] Speaker 1: devil as a character in the first Old Testament? Or
[44:34] Speaker 1: was that just added in the Christian Bible versus the Torah?
[44:39] Speaker 2: I mean, look, here's the thing is that how Judaism
[44:42] Speaker 2: sees it is just based on their ontology that they
[44:44] Speaker 2: described related to it. So even though the events might
[44:49] Speaker 2: be the same, and by the way, that's why we
[44:51] Speaker 2: have Islam. Islam also believes in the book of Genesis.
[44:56] Speaker 2: They just have their own interpretation of it. It's like
[44:59] Speaker 2: Abraham screwed up, right? He had a bad estate plan.
[45:02] Speaker 2: He had one child. It was his first child was
[45:04] Speaker 2: Ishmael to this housemaid that he had in the house,
[45:09] Speaker 2: which was Hagar. And then Sarah couldn't get pregnant until
[45:12] Speaker 2: she's 90 years old. Then she finally gets pregnant. And
[45:14] Speaker 2: they're like, okay, sorry, Ishmael, you got to get out
[45:16] Speaker 2: of here. So they go to Mecca.
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[45:26] Speaker 1: And now back to the show.
[45:29] Speaker 2: And where does Abraham go? Abraham's in Haran. And then
[45:32] Speaker 2: he goes, you know, to the promised land. He goes
[45:34] Speaker 2: towards the promised land, land of Canaan. The point is
[45:38] Speaker 2: that it's just interpretation. Who was the first birthright holder?
[45:43] Speaker 2: Ishmael is the oldest son. But it's Isaac who gets
[45:46] Speaker 2: the land in the blessing of Abraham. So, and both
[45:50] Speaker 2: sides have their own version of this. So that's the
[45:53] Speaker 2: point is, yes, you could say, well, wait, there's a devil,
[45:55] Speaker 2: there's a Lucifer described in the Old Testament. There it is,
[45:59] Speaker 2: most definitely. And the serpent beguiles, and who is the serpent? Well,
[46:04] Speaker 2: that's Lucifer. Who is Lucifer? Well, you have to go
[46:08] Speaker 2: to Paradise Lost.
[46:09] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but now we're not in biblical times. Now
[46:12] Speaker 1: we're in Dante.
[46:12] Speaker 2: Now that goes to the interpretation of what's written about
[46:16] Speaker 2: the story of the serpent. So the story of the
[46:18] Speaker 2: serpent becomes, lucifer is the light bringer in the pre-war
[46:22] Speaker 2: of heaven there were a third of the host of
[46:24] Speaker 2: heaven taken away according to this right this is the
[46:27] Speaker 2: milton story and they get taken away and they follow
[46:31] Speaker 2: lucifer that's right yeah and they come to earth to
[46:34] Speaker 2: torment the children of men and the reason why they
[46:37] Speaker 2: broke off is because lucifer had his own plan about
[46:41] Speaker 2: how mankind was going to live its days and instead
[46:44] Speaker 2: of having to go through this process and have a salvation,
[46:48] Speaker 2: make mistakes and learn through suffering and everything. He proposes
[46:51] Speaker 2: a different plan, which is, hey, I'll make sure everyone
[46:53] Speaker 2: gets there to heaven in the end. And this angers
[46:56] Speaker 2: God the Father, and God the Father says, no. And
[46:58] Speaker 2: Jesus steps forward and says, I will sacrifice myself so
[47:01] Speaker 2: that there is a Savior and there's a salvation. So
[47:04] Speaker 2: this is this whole separation of religion. And the point
[47:08] Speaker 2: is that the question is, is it part of the
[47:11] Speaker 2: matrix of of experience that darkness must exist with light.
[47:16] Speaker 1: So Dante and Milton were basically the Stephen King and
[47:20] Speaker 1: the J.K. Rowling of their day. And then the church
[47:25] Speaker 1: grabbed onto these stories and used them and started not
[47:28] Speaker 1: putting them technically in the canon, but preaching about them
[47:30] Speaker 1: and talking about them. But the seven levels of hell
[47:32] Speaker 1: doesn't exist in the Bible. No, that's right. Neither do
[47:35] Speaker 1: the demons and the pitchforks and the lakes of fire
[47:38] Speaker 1: and all that. It's different. Like the lake of fire,
[47:40] Speaker 1: what Christ talked about was Gehenna. which is different and
[47:44] Speaker 1: all that. But that's all that imagery that they eventually
[47:47] Speaker 1: used for their, and I'm calling it what it is,
[47:49] Speaker 1: propaganda and the great paintings of Europe and all the
[47:53] Speaker 1: art pieces. That's all that stuff. And that's around the 1300s,
[47:57] Speaker 1: around the 13th century. So they just took that and
[48:01] Speaker 1: grabbed it. So that doesn't exist in the original canon. No,
[48:04] Speaker 1: that's right. I say all of this because I want
[48:07] Speaker 1: people listening who have a problem maybe with what we're
[48:09] Speaker 1: having a conversation about. I was like, The book is
[48:12] Speaker 1: not like, oh, this is the book and nothing has changed.
[48:14] Speaker 1: No one has touched it. Everything was perfect. I mean,
[48:17] Speaker 1: Jesus spoke Aramaic. He did not speak Greek or Latin,
[48:22] Speaker 1: which is what the first Bibles were. The first, if
[48:25] Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, right? The first Bible was written in
[48:28] Speaker 1: Greek and then translated into Latin, you know, eventually, correct?
[48:31] Speaker 2: It was written in the original Greek. But Aramaic was
[48:34] Speaker 2: his language.
[48:35] Speaker 1: Right, and he never wrote anything down. So all of
[48:38] Speaker 1: this is stories handed down from story after story and
[48:41] Speaker 1: then switched around in the King James Bible and then Dante.
[48:44] Speaker 1: It's just all this hodgepodge of stuff. Before I let
[48:49] Speaker 1: you go, because I know you're a very busy world traveler,
[48:51] Speaker 1: so you are easily the most interesting man in the world.
[48:55] Speaker 1: You mentioned something in regards to the flood, which I
[48:57] Speaker 1: wanted to touch upon. If they found Noah's Ark now,
[49:04] Speaker 1: Is that, because from what I understand, and this is
[49:07] Speaker 1: my interpretation of the information, a lot of the stuff
[49:10] Speaker 1: we're talking about with the nephilim and the watchers and
[49:15] Speaker 1: all that stuff, that happened. more than 12,000 years ago,
[49:22] Speaker 1: more than 10,000 years ago, in my understanding, and please
[49:24] Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, because if we look at
[49:27] Speaker 1: the geological evidence of there was a catastrophic event that
[49:33] Speaker 1: was around the time of Atlantis, and then there was
[49:38] Speaker 1: the melting of the ice caps and all of that stuff,
[49:40] Speaker 1: and the great flood, and every culture on the planet
[49:43] Speaker 1: has a great flood story. How does Noah's Ark at
[49:48] Speaker 1: this point, match with that timeline? Or has this Noah's
[49:53] Speaker 1: Ark been there, hidden, protected, and sealed, just like Pompeii,
[49:59] Speaker 1: for centuries upon centuries upon centuries? I just wanted to
[50:02] Speaker 1: see how that, what you think about that.
[50:03] Speaker 2: We don't know. And right now, the carbon dating is also,
[50:07] Speaker 2: you know, there's a whole theory that says that if
[50:11] Speaker 2: you have any radioactivity at the surface, that it can
[50:14] Speaker 2: have a big impact on carbon dating timelines. And so
[50:18] Speaker 2: I just watched a whole episode related to that recently.
[50:22] Speaker 2: And basically, they don't know how old the Noah's Ark
[50:26] Speaker 2: thing is. Hopefully, they're going to be able to find out.
[50:29] Speaker 2: There are some that are saying they believe it's like 4,000,
[50:31] Speaker 2: maybe 5,000 years old. But I think it's got to
[50:34] Speaker 2: be far older than that. It has to be far
[50:36] Speaker 2: older than that. And how does a boat like that
[50:39] Speaker 2: end up on a mountaintop at 6,500 feet? That's pretty high.
[50:45] Speaker 2: That's pretty high up here. Yeah, it's relatively preserved. And yeah,
[50:48] Speaker 2: it looks like it's somewhat, you know, kind of almost
[50:51] Speaker 2: petrified or something, but you can see it. And you
[50:53] Speaker 2: can see this is clearly, it's a boat. It's definitely
[50:56] Speaker 2: a boat. Now that starts to raise all kinds of
[50:59] Speaker 2: questions about like, what is the true history of the world?
[51:03] Speaker 1: Right?
[51:04] Speaker 2: Because we all thought that these Bible stories are just
[51:06] Speaker 2: sort of fairy tales. Where did all the water come
[51:09] Speaker 2: from for it to have gotten that high up? How
[51:11] Speaker 2: big of a flood was this? And where is the water?
[51:14] Speaker 2: Is the water from inside the earth and then it subsides?
[51:17] Speaker 2: It comes out, you know, maybe there's a pole shift
[51:20] Speaker 2: or something and you have a crustal displacement?
[51:24] Speaker 1: We don't know.
[51:25] Speaker 2: Is this just part of the cycle of time? Our history,
[51:27] Speaker 2: here's the problem. Our history has an abrupt beginning 6,000
[51:32] Speaker 2: years ago. We don't have anything beyond 6,000 years. Well,
[51:37] Speaker 2: I mean, it isn't... Besides Gobekli Tepe. Gobekli Tepe, Karahan Tepe...
[51:42] Speaker 2: the stuff in Turkey, which by the way, this is
[51:44] Speaker 2: around the same area as where this Noah's Ark supposedly
[51:48] Speaker 2: is found. But in general, when you go back to
[51:51] Speaker 2: mainstream science, they'll tell you that we don't really have
[51:54] Speaker 2: any mainstream historical records of anything that goes beyond 6,000 years.
[52:00] Speaker 2: So what is this? It starts to really raise major
[52:04] Speaker 2: questions about what is the history of humanity? What is
[52:07] Speaker 2: the true story? And I think everybody knows that there's
[52:10] Speaker 2: something that doesn't quite fit. The story doesn't foot, and
[52:15] Speaker 2: we all feel this. Was there an Atlantis? We have
[52:17] Speaker 2: only one reference from, you know, the Critias and from
[52:20] Speaker 2: Timaeus by Plato, where he talks about Solon, who was,
[52:24] Speaker 2: you know, generations before him, who basically says, yeah, this
[52:27] Speaker 2: is what Atlantis was, but it was 9,000 years before
[52:30] Speaker 2: the day of Plato, which was the fourth century BC.
[52:34] Speaker 2: So now you start to go, what is the story here?
[52:38] Speaker 2: And that's my point, is that I believe that That
[52:42] Speaker 2: all of this is coming up for a reason. It's
[52:45] Speaker 2: going to make some sort of big, almost cinematic debut
[52:50] Speaker 2: for everyone. It's going to be tied together with, you know,
[52:54] Speaker 2: look at all the things converging right now. Is it
[52:56] Speaker 2: a coincidence that mankind is making AI, which is essentially
[53:00] Speaker 2: like a digital golem, right? A clay man, just like
[53:05] Speaker 2: the rabbinical, you know, priests, when they go through their process,
[53:09] Speaker 2: they start to make a clay man. So you make
[53:13] Speaker 2: the clay man, and at the same time, it's actually
[53:15] Speaker 2: a representation of you emulating the act of creation of man.
[53:20] Speaker 2: That's what we're also kind of doing collectively. And is
[53:23] Speaker 2: it happening as a coincidence at the same time as
[53:25] Speaker 2: our global awakening? You have a wake on this picture
[53:29] Speaker 2: right over your shoulder. Is that just a coincidence? Is
[53:33] Speaker 2: it a coincidence that this is happening right now also,
[53:35] Speaker 2: and we finally, after thousands of years of not knowing
[53:38] Speaker 2: if it's true or not, now finding out that possibly
[53:41] Speaker 2: the story of Noah's Ark might actually be true? I
[53:45] Speaker 2: don't think this is all a coincidence. I used to
[53:47] Speaker 2: believe in coincidence. I don't believe in coincidence anymore.
[53:50] Speaker 1: Well, look at what happened with Troy. They thought that
[53:52] Speaker 1: was a myth, and they actually found the city of Troy.
[53:55] Speaker 2: That's right. So, I mean, I think we're on the
[53:59] Speaker 2: precipice again. I'm not claiming that I know everything. And
[54:03] Speaker 2: I can only give you my own interpretations of what
[54:05] Speaker 2: I believe I'm reading when I read these things. I
[54:09] Speaker 2: listened to the audio book of this whole story of
[54:12] Speaker 2: the Watchers and of the book of Enoch like six
[54:16] Speaker 2: times last week. I never listened to something six times
[54:19] Speaker 2: in the same week. So the reason that I did
[54:22] Speaker 2: is because there are so many aspects of it that
[54:25] Speaker 2: I'm trying to piece together. Was this literally at the
[54:28] Speaker 2: same time concomitant with Noah's Ark and the flood? Was
[54:32] Speaker 2: there this group that translated what caused them to be translated?
[54:35] Speaker 2: I want more details about that.
[54:37] Speaker 1: The logic behind Noah's Ark, I don't disbelieve that there
[54:41] Speaker 1: is a boat that did something, but I don't believe
[54:45] Speaker 1: in the concept of like putting in every animal from
[54:48] Speaker 1: the planet. two of everything, that doesn't make any logical sense.
[54:52] Speaker 1: The lions would have had a field day. I'm sure
[54:55] Speaker 1: it wasn't that organized where the predators were away from
[54:58] Speaker 1: the food and so on and so forth. So that
[55:01] Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But the idea of the concept of
[55:04] Speaker 1: a Noah's Ark, that there might've been something to save people,
[55:07] Speaker 1: to save things, absolutely. But I think the technical- But
[55:11] Speaker 1: it was only.
[55:11] Speaker 2: But here's the thing, if it's true and the dimensions
[55:14] Speaker 2: seem to match, And the three stories inside the boat
[55:19] Speaker 2: were basically to house all these animals. It wasn't to
[55:21] Speaker 2: house other family members. They know all the family members.
[55:23] Speaker 2: I mean, you have basically the three sons. It was Ham, right? Ham, Japheth.
[55:30] Speaker 2: And Seth, those are the three sons of Noah. That's it.
[55:33] Speaker 2: There was nobody else on the boat except their wives.
[55:36] Speaker 2: So it's like, why do they need a boat that's
[55:39] Speaker 2: like 500 plus feet long, 550 feet long? Why?
[55:44] Speaker 1: So then maybe once they actually open it up, get
[55:49] Speaker 1: in there and actually see what's happening, maybe you'll see
[55:52] Speaker 1: rows and rows and rows of that people could sit in.
[55:54] Speaker 1: Who knows? I don't know. I'm just saying that for me,
[55:58] Speaker 1: the logic of having so many animals.
[56:00] Speaker 2: All I'm going to say to you, my friend, is
[56:03] Speaker 2: I am open to expect the unexpected.
[56:06] Speaker 1: Well, that's where we live.
[56:06] Speaker 2: We're in uncharted territory right now. We're in uncharted territory.
[56:11] Speaker 2: And it's like we're walking on to Jurassic Park Island
[56:15] Speaker 2: for the first time. We don't know the story.
[56:19] Speaker 1: Right?
[56:19] Speaker 2: It's like you just hear this dinosaur sound. What the
[56:21] Speaker 2: hell was that? I mean, that's every day that goes by.
[56:25] Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, what's going to happen today? What's next?
[56:28] Speaker 2: The world is getting stranger and stranger and stranger. That's
[56:31] Speaker 2: the only common denominator in all of this.
[56:34] Speaker 1: And it's gotten stranger every day.
[56:35] Speaker 2: And to be well-adjusted, I just said this on an
[56:37] Speaker 2: interview I did with this UK newspaper, to be well-adjusted
[56:41] Speaker 2: to an extraordinarily maladjusted world is not a sign of sanity.
[56:44] Speaker 1: You should put that on a t-shirt, sir, and sell it.
[56:48] Speaker 1: I mean, it is it's it's it's a really powerful quote,
[56:52] Speaker 1: but very honest quote and very true. Robert, it is
[56:56] Speaker 1: a man I could I mean, days and days I
[56:58] Speaker 1: can talk to you for. So I hope I can't
[57:01] Speaker 1: wait for you to get back to Austin so you
[57:02] Speaker 1: can come back to the studio, sir. Where can people
[57:05] Speaker 1: find out more about you and the amazing work you're
[57:06] Speaker 1: doing in the world?
[57:07] Speaker 2: Robertedwardgrant.com and on Instagram, robertedwardgrant on all the platforms. I'm
[57:14] Speaker 2: on all of those. And I do take trips. If
[57:17] Speaker 2: you want to go on an adventure with me, I'm
[57:18] Speaker 2: going to Antarctica in March of 2027. You can find
[57:23] Speaker 2: it on my, it's going to be an epic trip.
[57:25] Speaker 2: And then I'm going to be in Egypt in November.
[57:29] Speaker 2: I'll be in Mexico next week. And then next year,
[57:32] Speaker 2: I've got a couple trips to Egypt, one in April
[57:34] Speaker 2: and one in August for the great eclipse. And I'd
[57:37] Speaker 2: love to come back at some point and talk to
[57:38] Speaker 2: you about the discovery that all of the pyramids around
[57:42] Speaker 2: the world are different musical notes and that together they
[57:44] Speaker 2: actually make one song. And that song is the primordial
[57:49] Speaker 2: OM chant.
[57:51] Speaker 1: Well, that is a good cliffhanger for the next conversation,
[57:55] Speaker 1: my friend. Robert, I appreciate you, man, and everything you're
[57:57] Speaker 1: doing to awaken this planet. And it's always a joy
[58:00] Speaker 1: talking to you, my friend. I can't wait to the
[58:02] Speaker 1: next time. So thank you, my friend.
[58:04] Speaker 2: Thank you, bro.
[58:07] Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
[58:10] Speaker 1: If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll
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