# Barstool’s Netflix Deal, Joe Burrow’s Trade Value? Tua’s Career Over? NBA Cup Is Great

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 18 Dec 2025, 1 h 02 min.

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Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Thing’s First” on FS1. They start by discussing Barstool’s deal with Netflix and the podcast space expanding from audio to video. They compare it to sports moving from radio to TV and explain why it isn’t “selling out”...it’s smart business (3:00). They move to the criticism of the NBA Cup and they both agree the blowback is unfounded and that the in-season tournament is a hit since the players bought in (19:00). Colin offers his new theory that explains the unprecedented drop off from Russell Wilson after seeing Tua on MNF. He argues that when smaller quarterbacks are afraid to get hit, they age overnight. They both agree that Tua’s career is likely over (29:45). They discuss the evolution of Justin Herbert, and why they think he could win a title and an MVP under Jim Harbaugh (37:15). They also express sympathy for Joe Burrow after he gave multiple despondent press conferences and they debate whether his discontent is purely with the Bengals or if there are other factors (43:45). They also try to decipher what the trade value for Burrow would be if he forces a trade (58:00). Finally, Colin explains why Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza is an easy player to scout due to Indiana running an NFL style offense (1:00:30), and they discuss some of their bad sports bets (1:06:00). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: The volume.
[0:03] Speaker 2: This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Netflix is
[0:06] Speaker 2: basically Santa this year. Two NFL games on Christmas Day,
[0:09] Speaker 2: streaming live at one eastern Cowboys Commanders Dallas is suddenly
[0:13] Speaker 2: red ha could play big for the NFC playoff picture.
[0:17] Speaker 2: Then at four point thirty you've got the Lions struggling
[0:19] Speaker 2: against the Vikings. That's Midwest Football Playoff stakes. Two teams
[0:22] Speaker 2: battling it out for the number one seed last year,
[0:25] Speaker 2: must win for Detroit. So watching holiday football is a tradition.
[0:28] Speaker 2: The whole family can get into, settle in, watch it.
[0:30] Speaker 2: The NFL Christmas Day games live on Netflix starting at
[0:34] Speaker 2: one pm Eastern time. Watching holiday football is a tradition.
[0:36] Speaker 2: The whole family can enjoy, open some gifts, grab some food,
[0:40] Speaker 2: settle in and watch NFL live on Netflix Christmas Day
[0:43] Speaker 2: starting at one pm Eastern time. All right, it's time
[0:51] Speaker 2: for sit down for about forty five minutes to an
[0:53] Speaker 2: hour of Danny Parkins. We have a lot of stuff
[0:54] Speaker 2: to address in the media, so let's get right to this.
[0:56] Speaker 2: So there was an announcement today. iHeart Netflix. Netflix is
[1:01] Speaker 2: buying all sorts of podcasts and I was scrolling around
[1:06] Speaker 2: right before this. I stay off the phone mostly prep
[1:11] Speaker 2: show train ride home.
[1:12] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:13] Speaker 2: I try to be intentional with my phone viewing, but
[1:15] Speaker 2: I was dinking around here, so it's off the top
[1:18] Speaker 2: of my head here barstool. Dave Portnoy was getting crap.
[1:23] Speaker 2: He was being called a sellout, you know, for doing
[1:26] Speaker 2: the Netflix deal, and it was really interesting. I know
[1:29] Speaker 2: you'll appreciate this. Dave owned a company. Iheart's company. I
[1:34] Speaker 2: own a company. Podcasting is audio. I listen to podcasts,
[1:40] Speaker 2: I don't watch them. I may try it Netflix absolutely,
[1:44] Speaker 2: I've done before. I've watched some some Joe Rogan before
[1:48] Speaker 2: the visual version, but they're podcasts were built for audio.
[1:55] Speaker 2: So now YouTube kind of control the universe. It is
[1:59] Speaker 2: a win for anybody that owns a company and a
[2:01] Speaker 2: podcaster if the dominating position is challenged. Like when FS
[2:07] Speaker 2: one was created and people criticized it, and I thought,
[2:11] Speaker 2: are you idiots? This gives you leverage and negotiation the
[2:14] Speaker 2: people at ESPN ripping it. I'm like, do you want
[2:17] Speaker 2: no competition for ESPN? So to me, YouTube dominated in
[2:23] Speaker 2: that space. Netflix a competitor. It's good for people like
[2:27] Speaker 2: iHeart and Dave Portnoy and me and the volume. Eventually
[2:34] Speaker 2: and my example is this baseball was on radio only
[2:38] Speaker 2: for years, for years, for decades, and then came a
[2:42] Speaker 2: TV broadcast and then multiple TV networks vying for it.
[2:46] Speaker 2: Baseball wasn't selling out to go to television. It was
[2:51] Speaker 2: expanding first of all, expanded TV, and then eventually multiple
[2:56] Speaker 2: TV suitors joined in to compete for it. That's not
[3:00] Speaker 2: selling out. That is that is the space expanding and
[3:04] Speaker 2: opening up, and that's always good for baseball. Podcasting. iHeart
[3:09] Speaker 2: barstool volume. Anybody there's my rant.
[3:13] Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a good rant.
[3:14] Speaker 1: The only thing that I think you left out and
[3:16] Speaker 1: this I won't. I'll take a position on what you
[3:18] Speaker 1: said in a second. Of course, it's good for like
[3:24] Speaker 1: you and me, like contents creators, more people who would
[3:27] Speaker 1: want to like bid on our content and like store
[3:31] Speaker 1: our content distribute.
[3:32] Speaker 3: Of course, it's good for you and me.
[3:34] Speaker 1: Of course, it's good for the companies, and you own one,
[3:38] Speaker 1: and that's amazing and all that.
[3:40] Speaker 3: I think the question, I assume.
[3:41] Speaker 1: The people that were calling him a sellout, and I
[3:43] Speaker 1: didn't see that, but I assume that that wasn't like
[3:46] Speaker 1: media executives. It was like people on Twitter like the
[3:50] Speaker 1: question is are going to be good for the consumer?
[3:52] Speaker 1: Like if you watch these podcasts on video and you
[3:56] Speaker 1: your preferred method of viewing it is YouTube and that
[3:59] Speaker 1: is free, and you don't pay for Netflix, and now
[4:03] Speaker 1: you want to watch part of My Take or the
[4:07] Speaker 1: Breakfast Club or whatever one of the you know, middle
[4:10] Speaker 1: Coughs podcasts, that's like whatever, whatever one you watch, now
[4:13] Speaker 1: you have to watch it in a different place exclusively.
[4:17] Speaker 1: If you don't subscribe to that place, you are now
[4:20] Speaker 1: faced with a choice to either stop watching listen only
[4:25] Speaker 1: or subscribe. So I think for the consumer it's like
[4:29] Speaker 1: barrier of entry. Like I saw there was some criticism
[4:33] Speaker 1: that the NBA Cup Final was not on regular TV,
[4:37] Speaker 1: and it's like, well, yeah, the world is changing. Is
[4:40] Speaker 1: it a little frustrating? As like, yeah, we are content creators,
[4:44] Speaker 1: but like, is it a little frustrating that Peacock and
[4:48] Speaker 1: Netflix and Fox and CBS and NBC and ESPN and
[4:51] Speaker 1: then these NFL games are in a million different places.
[4:54] Speaker 1: NBA games are in a million different places, and it's
[4:56] Speaker 1: like I got an idea, let's bundle it all together
[4:59] Speaker 1: and call it and it would be a lot it
[5:02] Speaker 1: would be a lot easier for the consumer. But the
[5:06] Speaker 1: world has just changed a million times since that bundle,
[5:09] Speaker 1: and it's going to continue to I do watch a
[5:12] Speaker 1: lot of YouTube like I will watch a clip of
[5:17] Speaker 1: like the one that was going viral recently. I thought
[5:20] Speaker 1: it was amazing will Arnt on Conan O'Brien's podcast talking
[5:24] Speaker 1: about talking about grief, and I've obviously dealt with a
[5:27] Speaker 1: lot in that space in my recent life, and I
[5:30] Speaker 1: was like, it was beautiful. I've watched the clip legitimately
[5:33] Speaker 1: probably eight times and sent it to probably twenty people.
[5:38] Speaker 1: I didn't listen to that. I saw a video clip,
[5:41] Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. So I do consume
[5:43] Speaker 1: some of this stuff in video form, and so I'm
[5:46] Speaker 1: just I'm interested in it. From Netflix's standpoint of do
[5:50] Speaker 1: they think it's going to get more subscribers or do
[5:53] Speaker 1: they think it is going to just like get time
[5:55] Speaker 1: spent on the app and they want more people on
[5:57] Speaker 1: their app so that they click over to their other
[6:00] Speaker 1: program My hunch is it's the latter, Like I'd be
[6:03] Speaker 1: surprised if there were a bunch of new sign ups
[6:05] Speaker 1: because of this. That's right, Well, like time spent on
[6:07] Speaker 1: the app is their place, right correct?
[6:09] Speaker 2: That's That's my take is that Netflix is going to
[6:14] Speaker 2: these companies taking another reason to stick. You go for
[6:19] Speaker 2: a documentary and you're like, oh god, I'll stick for
[6:21] Speaker 2: another half hour and watch this pod. It has a
[6:23] Speaker 2: stick quality to it. You may not go specifically for,
[6:28] Speaker 2: you know, whatever the podcast is. I also think there
[6:31] Speaker 2: are much larger audio audiences of podcasting than visual audiences
[6:37] Speaker 2: of podcasting. That's my take. You know, I've seen my numbers.
[6:41] Speaker 2: It's it's bigger in audio than it is the visual
[6:44] Speaker 2: portion of it. I also want to mention Tony Kornheiser
[6:49] Speaker 2: got dragged a little bit on the internet. You know,
[6:51] Speaker 2: he's an older guy, and he said I didn't watch
[6:53] Speaker 2: the NBA Cup because I wasn't on real TV. I
[6:57] Speaker 2: thought a better way to say it, and maybe he
[6:59] Speaker 2: was doing that the kind of of you know, play
[7:01] Speaker 2: kind of like the wrestling, play to the character a
[7:03] Speaker 2: little bit. You know, he's an older guy. I'm not
[7:05] Speaker 2: doing that, that's funny. What he was really saying is
[7:09] Speaker 2: the NBA product is not enough to drive me to streaming,
[7:14] Speaker 2: which I think is true. I've said this before. I
[7:17] Speaker 2: think ESPN, the incumbent, will do well with a new contract.
[7:21] Speaker 2: NBC will hemorrhage money, but they'll find an audience streaming
[7:25] Speaker 2: to get me to streaming. Amazon did it with Thursday
[7:29] Speaker 2: Night Football. They've done it with documentaries, great series, an
[7:33] Speaker 2: occasional fight. But you can't get me to regular season
[7:37] Speaker 2: anything outside of football for streaming. That's I think the
[7:42] Speaker 2: point Tony was making the kind of runs alongside what
[7:48] Speaker 2: he said was yeah, I'm not NBA's not getting me
[7:51] Speaker 2: to a streaming platform. That is why I believe Amazon,
[7:56] Speaker 2: because they have a reservoir of money. Three things on
[8:00] Speaker 2: Amazon in the last week. They can hemorrhage money. NBC
[8:05] Speaker 2: is gonna hemorrhage money and they're gonna have layoffs. It's
[8:08] Speaker 2: not they're gonna lose a billion dollars a year on
[8:10] Speaker 2: that thing. ESPN's the incumbent. The incumbent doesn't have to
[8:13] Speaker 2: buy forty new you know, reporters, directors, producers, they've got
[8:19] Speaker 2: their remote unit set up. But I think to that point,
[8:22] Speaker 2: the the I don't Adam Silver smart to do it.
[8:26] Speaker 2: The owners absolutely love it, but I do wonder how
[8:29] Speaker 2: many people are gonna go to Amazon to watch NBA.
[8:31] Speaker 2: I think the number is going to be small.
[8:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and I mean, will we even know the number?
[8:37] Speaker 1: You know, like like the there's how do we know
[8:41] Speaker 1: like that, there's the the the it's like all internal
[8:43] Speaker 1: data stuff when they release it, and they're like twenty
[8:46] Speaker 1: six million people watched that NFL game on Christmas something.
[8:49] Speaker 3: I guess I'll take your word for it. Well you
[8:51] Speaker 3: know what I mean.
[8:52] Speaker 1: It's not like it's out there available for everyone or
[8:54] Speaker 1: that everyone can verify it. It's like independent data that
[8:57] Speaker 1: they that they keep. And so I think the Amazon thing,
[9:01] Speaker 1: and you mentioned it in terms of like they have
[9:03] Speaker 1: obviously unlimited money and they can hemorrhage it. They It's
[9:08] Speaker 1: already happened, and I think it is only going to
[9:11] Speaker 1: just keep happening. But like the integration on these Amazon
[9:15] Speaker 1: broadcasts to buying things is pretty amazing. And the first
[9:20] Speaker 1: time I stumbled on it was like a couple of
[9:23] Speaker 1: months ago. I clicked on my remote like accidentally, but
[9:27] Speaker 1: it was at a time when on the broadcast it
[9:31] Speaker 1: was saying like during like one of the like the
[9:32] Speaker 1: picture and Picture commercials where they're like showing the teams
[9:34] Speaker 1: coming on and off the field, so they didn't completely
[9:36] Speaker 1: go to a commercial, but then they showed a commercial
[9:39] Speaker 1: like in the other box, and it was like, you know,
[9:43] Speaker 1: click okay to get an email about this product. And
[9:48] Speaker 1: I clicked okay because I was trying to change off
[9:50] Speaker 1: of something or mute or whatever I was doing. You
[9:53] Speaker 1: can just now buy the thing that's on commercial on
[9:57] Speaker 1: the Amazon broadcast. That is is clearly the future and
[10:02] Speaker 1: a pretty you know what I mean, it's a pretty
[10:04] Speaker 1: amazing thing. Like, so they can pay for the NFL
[10:08] Speaker 1: and get twenty million people to be on their app.
[10:11] Speaker 1: And the reason they did Black Friday. Why do they
[10:13] Speaker 1: do Black Friday? It's their biggest day of the year.
[10:16] Speaker 1: So I'm watching Bears Eagles, and obviously I'm very invested
[10:21] Speaker 1: in this game, but also I know that there's all
[10:24] Speaker 1: these Black Friday deals and every time there's a commercial,
[10:28] Speaker 1: you have the option to buy it right there through
[10:30] Speaker 1: your remote or if it's like a more complicated thing
[10:33] Speaker 1: like an insurance plan, it's like, would you like an
[10:36] Speaker 1: email with all of these details and if you just
[10:39] Speaker 1: click one button through your Prime account that is linked
[10:43] Speaker 1: to it, they'll send it to you. So I totally
[10:46] Speaker 1: see the reason why Amazon wants event events that get
[10:51] Speaker 1: large amounts of people onto their server, even if that
[10:55] Speaker 1: game would get a million people on ESPN for an
[10:57] Speaker 1: NBA game, if they get two hundred and fifty thousand
[11:00] Speaker 1: people for an NBA game on AMA, five percent, by Yeah,
[11:06] Speaker 1: that's the Amazon is the easiest one to understand, Like
[11:10] Speaker 1: why they want to get into it because it's a
[11:12] Speaker 1: it's a mall you can buy. You can buy literally
[11:15] Speaker 1: anything right there on their on their product. So yeah,
[11:17] Speaker 1: the Amazon one, I don't question at all.
[11:21] Speaker 2: The yeah. I mean it's I know it's not easy
[11:26] Speaker 2: for the consumer, but I there are certain things like
[11:30] Speaker 2: I like the challenge of owning a company. And I mean,
[11:34] Speaker 2: did you see Lucas Shaw as somebody I follow on Twitter,
[11:37] Speaker 2: He's the media guy, and Lucas Shaw said for the
[11:42] Speaker 2: first time and was it a decade chord cutting went
[11:46] Speaker 2: the opposite direction. It added Cable added subscribers. Again, doesn't
[11:51] Speaker 2: mean the end of cord cutting, no, but what it
[11:54] Speaker 2: what it shows is the demand has been so relentless
[11:59] Speaker 2: on the consumer with buying new and more streaming services.
[12:04] Speaker 2: Some people have said, the hell with it, I'm going
[12:05] Speaker 2: to go back to cable. I'm not paying three hundred,
[12:08] Speaker 2: I'll pay one point eighty and I won't watch most
[12:11] Speaker 2: of what's on cable. But I'm not, you know, I mean,
[12:13] Speaker 2: look at we've got inflation that's reportedly high, Unemployment numbers
[12:18] Speaker 2: have ticked up. I mean, stuff matters. Egg prices were
[12:21] Speaker 2: a topic a year ago.
[12:24] Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, so I have not cut the
[12:28] Speaker 1: cord because I'm like in my line of work, our
[12:31] Speaker 1: line of work same, the easiest barrier of entry to
[12:34] Speaker 1: get the most things on my television is still my
[12:36] Speaker 1: preferred method, and I'm going to pay for the services anyway.
[12:39] Speaker 1: Like what I spend on cable, Internet and add on
[12:43] Speaker 1: services is exorbitant, but it's literally our job. So it's
[12:48] Speaker 1: just like it's like paying for water, you know what
[12:50] Speaker 1: I mean, It's like not even a thing I really
[12:52] Speaker 1: think about, which I know is coming from a place
[12:54] Speaker 1: of privilege. But for my friends, a ton of people
[12:59] Speaker 1: my age, most people might age, most of my best
[13:01] Speaker 1: friends don't pay for cable, but I often will hear
[13:04] Speaker 1: them or in the group chats or whatever. YouTube TV
[13:08] Speaker 1: upped the price again, and they're not These are these
[13:11] Speaker 1: are guys who are traders, lawyers. It's not that they
[13:14] Speaker 1: it's not that they can't afford it, but they but
[13:17] Speaker 1: they initially cut the cut the cord to save the money,
[13:22] Speaker 1: like because they were tech tech savvy.
[13:25] Speaker 2: This is why Netflix entering the podcast space is good
[13:29] Speaker 2: eventually for the consumer because YouTube basically ran it correct
[13:35] Speaker 2: it owned a space, and that's never healthy for the
[13:38] Speaker 2: consumer or the podcaster or the podcast company, right.
[13:42] Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think, I think it will
[13:44] Speaker 1: get there, and I think at the beginning, the consumer
[13:46] Speaker 1: is gonna be like, wait, I've watched the last five
[13:49] Speaker 1: hundred episodes of part of my take on YouTube. Now
[13:52] Speaker 1: I have to do what you know what I mean,
[13:53] Speaker 1: Like I there will be it's a disruption. There there
[13:55] Speaker 1: will be a.
[13:56] Speaker 2: By the way, who doesn't have Netflix at this point.
[13:59] Speaker 1: No, I I agree, I agree, but but it's still
[14:03] Speaker 1: is a change in habit, right for whatever. And I'm
[14:07] Speaker 1: sure it'll be easy and I'm sure it'll be heavily
[14:09] Speaker 1: promoted on the app at all of those things.
[14:12] Speaker 3: You know.
[14:12] Speaker 2: It's what I've always tried to give away as much
[14:15] Speaker 2: of my content. Bill Simmons and I had this discussion once,
[14:18] Speaker 2: give it away for free, and a great example, Oprah
[14:20] Speaker 2: was the biggest star on TV. She left right, she
[14:24] Speaker 2: left broadcast TV and literally disappeared irrelevant. She got rich
[14:30] Speaker 2: so she chose wealth over relevant at that point in
[14:33] Speaker 2: her career. I think that was the right call.
[14:36] Speaker 1: Once she owned she like owns Hawaii, so yeah, it
[14:39] Speaker 1: was probably it was probably the right call.
[14:41] Speaker 2: Howard Stern, most relevant radio guy in the world, went
[14:46] Speaker 2: as serious got rich not nearly as relevant. Howard Stern
[14:50] Speaker 2: would do it again. I've always had this theory. When
[14:52] Speaker 2: six is the first number of your age, get out
[14:56] Speaker 2: of relevance. You don't need to be more famous at
[14:58] Speaker 2: the grocery store. Go with wealth. As you're brand building
[15:02] Speaker 2: in your twenties, thirties, forties, you start getting late fifties
[15:05] Speaker 2: and somebody comes up and says, I'm going to put
[15:07] Speaker 2: you behind a paywall and pay us seven times. When
[15:09] Speaker 2: you made an FM radio you take the money. It's
[15:12] Speaker 2: all the Bill Murray line, which is people say rich
[15:16] Speaker 2: and famous, try the rich. That'll do That'll feel fine,
[15:22] Speaker 2: that will be just fine. So so my take is,
[15:25] Speaker 2: let's say, pardon my take, does lose some audience if
[15:29] Speaker 2: they're getting an additional four million each from the company,
[15:34] Speaker 2: you take it. The dudes have busted their ass for
[15:37] Speaker 2: I mean, what do they do a three hour podcast?
[15:40] Speaker 2: Have been busting their ass for years.
[15:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I mean not to like pocket watch
[15:44] Speaker 1: those guys, you know, but they yeah, they they do well.
[15:48] Speaker 1: I saw one clip from that they were talking about
[15:50] Speaker 1: like and like it helps like pay the behind the
[15:53] Speaker 1: scenes people more because the people that are in.
[15:55] Speaker 3: Shance video get to monetize all of that.
[15:58] Speaker 1: It's again for the content creator, it's a no brainer,
[16:03] Speaker 1: like especially because you guys like the people that like
[16:06] Speaker 1: they're really paying to do this, like the big names
[16:08] Speaker 1: they're hauling over there, you all already have your relevance
[16:11] Speaker 1: and in the podcast space, like the Breakfast Club made it.
[16:17] Speaker 1: They made it in audio. Part of my take, made
[16:19] Speaker 1: it in audio, and none of the audio is changing.
[16:21] Speaker 1: You could still listen on iTunes, Spotify's wherever you get
[16:26] Speaker 1: your podcasts, and that's their larger audience. Correct, So to them,
[16:29] Speaker 1: they don't oh selling out, Okay, I'll be like that
[16:33] Speaker 1: scene on the bed in the hotel and the presidential
[16:36] Speaker 1: suite and dumb and dumber, just like wiping my tears
[16:39] Speaker 1: with one hundred dollars bills.
[16:40] Speaker 3: Like melling out like yeah.
[16:44] Speaker 1: For those those guys have probably got million you would
[16:46] Speaker 1: know better than me, they probably got millions of dollars,
[16:49] Speaker 1: like they'll they'll, they'll be fine with that criticism in
[16:52] Speaker 1: their mentions on X For.
[16:54] Speaker 2: The record, I did a rant today to lead my show,
[16:57] Speaker 2: and I tend to have my lead on a star
[17:00] Speaker 2: athlete or a star team, and I did it on
[17:02] Speaker 2: the NBA Cup, and I said, people that complain a
[17:07] Speaker 2: lot are rarely creators. Surround yourself with creators, not complainers. Yeah,
[17:13] Speaker 2: it's and I said, the people that bitch about the
[17:16] Speaker 2: NBA Cup, they don't watch the NBA.
[17:19] Speaker 1: They don't.
[17:21] Speaker 2: And it's it's like rural guy in Kentucky ripping California.
[17:25] Speaker 2: It's like, bro, we're the fourth biggest economy in the
[17:30] Speaker 2: world and the weather's perfect. We're doing just fine. California
[17:34] Speaker 2: is doing just fine. I know, I know living with
[17:39] Speaker 2: goats is your chosen you know, docile, I'm for that.
[17:44] Speaker 2: I'm but and and so when I hear guys ripping
[17:47] Speaker 2: the NBA Cup, my take is I watched the players.
[17:51] Speaker 2: They gave a ship. They were into it last night.
[17:53] Speaker 2: They were they were I'll tell you this, The NBA
[17:56] Speaker 2: players I watched last night were more into that than
[17:59] Speaker 2: the COVID or Lando experience where the Lakers won the
[18:02] Speaker 2: title and did sort of this weird, fake, in authentic
[18:07] Speaker 2: cheering and there was no crowd like I watched last night.
[18:11] Speaker 2: I'm like, these guys are busting their butt. They're totally
[18:13] Speaker 2: into this thing. So and if it takes an extra
[18:15] Speaker 2: check to get there, who cares? Like coloring the court?
[18:18] Speaker 2: Like I like the swing of Adam Silver.
[18:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, undeniable and I love that he like that he
[18:26] Speaker 1: unapologetically stole it from the Premier League. Like you said,
[18:30] Speaker 1: it works in European soccer. I believe eventually it will
[18:33] Speaker 1: work here. I'm like, that is like one of my
[18:35] Speaker 1: favorite things a commissioner in sports has said in my lifetime,
[18:39] Speaker 1: cause it's just so because so much where there's like
[18:43] Speaker 1: we're America and it's our game, and like we we
[18:45] Speaker 1: we have the best ideas, and it's like no, no, no,
[18:47] Speaker 1: I think this thing works and uh, it shouldn't be
[18:50] Speaker 1: that we have thirty teams and only one is happy
[18:52] Speaker 1: at the end of the year.
[18:53] Speaker 3: Let's do something else and let's try it, and so
[18:56] Speaker 3: like is the like.
[19:00] Speaker 1: How much should a fan care about something new? Reasonable
[19:05] Speaker 1: minds can disagree on that. How much are the players
[19:08] Speaker 1: doing it for the money? I'm actually a little skeptical
[19:11] Speaker 1: of it. I actually think that it's like these guys
[19:13] Speaker 1: are super competitive saying they're like they're like, oh, there's
[19:16] Speaker 1: a trophy being given out, Like it's not like the
[19:19] Speaker 1: crowning accomplishment my career. It's not going to be the
[19:22] Speaker 1: first story I tell my grandkids, but like bragging rights.
[19:26] Speaker 3: You know, you feel like who won it?
[19:28] Speaker 1: Yannis has won it, you know, like the thunder were
[19:31] Speaker 1: in the finals, and then we're in the Semis this year.
[19:33] Speaker 1: It's like, oh, Danny good.
[19:34] Speaker 2: When I was in local radio, I didn't get paid
[19:37] Speaker 2: more for good ratings books, but I loved winning.
[19:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, you said I had a better contract.
[19:44] Speaker 3: You didn't have us.
[19:45] Speaker 1: Hell's the matter with you? You're savvy business guy. You
[19:48] Speaker 1: gotta at least get a.
[19:49] Speaker 3: Little extra five K, a little extra ten k a quarter.
[19:51] Speaker 3: What's going on? But no like it?
[19:54] Speaker 1: But also something to me of course, of course you're competitive.
[19:57] Speaker 1: But then the other thing that I think is this
[20:03] Speaker 1: is where we're at three years into it. Imagine how
[20:07] Speaker 1: it's gonna feel in twenty three years. It's only going
[20:11] Speaker 1: to get more competitive and more popular as it becomes
[20:16] Speaker 1: more a part of the fabric of the sport and
[20:18] Speaker 1: people get used to it. And so the debate over
[20:21] Speaker 1: the banner is silly to me, like the NBA should
[20:24] Speaker 1: mandate it, and it's like you it shouldn't.
[20:27] Speaker 3: You don't.
[20:27] Speaker 1: The banner shouldn't be as big as a championship banner.
[20:31] Speaker 1: You don't even need to have a night where you
[20:33] Speaker 1: raise the banner. It could just be like they want
[20:35] Speaker 1: on a Tuesday the next time the Knicks play a
[20:38] Speaker 1: home game.
[20:40] Speaker 3: It's just up and it's just NBA.
[20:42] Speaker 1: It's just NBA the banner at the top, says NBA
[20:44] Speaker 1: Cup Champion twenty twenty five.
[20:48] Speaker 3: That's it. Don't need to make it. You don't need
[20:50] Speaker 3: to raise a banner.
[20:52] Speaker 1: You black it out, call back your legends, like it's
[20:55] Speaker 1: just like it should be. If the Lakers can figure
[20:58] Speaker 1: it out with seventeen championships, like put it up, make
[21:02] Speaker 1: it a league mandated thing so that it is celebrated,
[21:05] Speaker 1: so that it is talked about, so that it is
[21:07] Speaker 1: because it's only going to get more popular. I saw Silver,
[21:09] Speaker 1: said wedd He's like, we're looking at doing it at
[21:11] Speaker 1: like prestigious college arenas. Yes, cool, like Allen Field House
[21:16] Speaker 1: or Cameron Indoor, Like Cameron Indoor, nine thousand people in
[21:21] Speaker 1: an arena for an NBA game. That would be really cool.
[21:23] Speaker 1: That's a good that is a that is a good idea.
[21:26] Speaker 1: And I've been to Allen Field House. Those people will
[21:29] Speaker 1: go nuts for that that game like that. That's a
[21:33] Speaker 1: that's a good idea. So I like that they try stuff,
[21:36] Speaker 1: and I think it's only going to get more popular.
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[23:46] Speaker 2: when I can't figure out something and then you have
[23:50] Speaker 2: an Aha moment, And I kind of had one over
[23:53] Speaker 2: the last two weeks. So for years, the last several years,
[23:59] Speaker 2: I could not figure out how Russell Wilson went from
[24:03] Speaker 2: elite to maybe just a really good backup with no
[24:08] Speaker 2: major injury and he wasn't that old. And I kept
[24:11] Speaker 2: saying it made I mean, it was like literally a
[24:13] Speaker 2: two year topic. I don't understand it. I what great,
[24:20] Speaker 2: really good? Is he a backup? But and then I
[24:25] Speaker 2: watched Tua the last two weeks and I went, wait,
[24:28] Speaker 2: two is about his size?
[24:31] Speaker 1: Oh?
[24:31] Speaker 2: Wait? And then I watched Kyler Murray Arizona doesn't want
[24:34] Speaker 2: to play him. And I've come to the conclusion that
[24:38] Speaker 2: smaller quarterbacks could not withstand Justin Herbert's career and that
[24:44] Speaker 2: those hits are more punitive. And if you watch TUA
[24:48] Speaker 2: last on Monday Night, he is afraid to get hit.
[24:51] Speaker 2: That's not disputable, Like that's been said by Gruden, multiple
[24:56] Speaker 2: people out there. Bruce Arians like he didn't want to
[24:59] Speaker 2: get hit. Kyler Murray, I was told by an NFL
[25:02] Speaker 2: guy his rookie year who sacked him. He's like, bro,
[25:04] Speaker 2: he I know when somebody scared when I hit them.
[25:08] Speaker 2: And Russell Wilson didn't get hit a lot, but he
[25:11] Speaker 2: got hit enough. And so I watched Tua go from
[25:15] Speaker 2: Pro Bowl to good too. Can't play a lick, and
[25:19] Speaker 2: it sort of unraveled the mystery of Russell Wilson, which
[25:23] Speaker 2: is size matters at quarterback. Smaller quarterbacks age overnight, if
[25:29] Speaker 2: they lose elusiveness, if they get hit too many times,
[25:35] Speaker 2: they don't withstand the punishment. And frankly, I mean, ask
[25:39] Speaker 2: yourself if you got hit by football players who could
[25:42] Speaker 2: bench twice your weight, and you how many hits with
[25:46] Speaker 2: you like Justin Herbert sixty six. I had dinner with
[25:48] Speaker 2: their GM, the Chargers last week. He goes, I think
[25:50] Speaker 2: he's six seven. Actually, you guys are short changing him.
[25:53] Speaker 2: Six seven's an NBA small forward, right, and he's two
[25:58] Speaker 2: thirty eight, So I guess I guess My point was.
[26:00] Speaker 2: I feel like the Tua story is the reality of
[26:04] Speaker 2: small quarterbacks, the age overnight.
[26:08] Speaker 1: First of all, I hope the Chargers general manager knows
[26:10] Speaker 1: how tall Justin Herbert is.
[26:12] Speaker 3: I think he's definitely. You should know.
[26:14] Speaker 1: If anyone in the world you know exactly how tall
[26:17] Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is, it's the Chargers general manager. Yeah. I
[26:20] Speaker 1: saw you ask Brady on the show about the hype
[26:23] Speaker 1: thing for quarterbacks, and I thought he gave a great answer.
[26:27] Speaker 3: There are outliers, but that doesn't disprove the rule.
[26:30] Speaker 2: Right.
[26:30] Speaker 1: It's like Kurt Warner succeeded and he was a grocery
[26:33] Speaker 1: store backer. That doesn't mean you should go to your shop, right,
[26:36] Speaker 1: that finds the next great quarterback. Right, Like Drew Brees
[26:42] Speaker 1: was six feet tall. He's six feet tall, and he
[26:45] Speaker 1: got better as his career went on, and he was unbelievable.
[26:48] Speaker 1: But he's also like one of the best throwers of
[26:51] Speaker 1: the football ever. You know, like he's just crazy accurate,
[26:55] Speaker 1: crazy smart. His highlights don't really make any sense, like
[26:58] Speaker 1: is he throwing from his tiptoe? Yeah he is, as
[27:01] Speaker 1: long has he done that for a decade, Like it's
[27:03] Speaker 1: like it's like a week, but it's like, well, but
[27:06] Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that. If I was a general manager,
[27:09] Speaker 1: I'd be like, I want to find the next Drew Brees.
[27:11] Speaker 1: Like it doesn't there's one, you know, there's not there's
[27:15] Speaker 1: not many guys that you would like. Yeah, long sustained
[27:18] Speaker 1: career at that size, and so yeah, I think it's
[27:21] Speaker 1: totally reasonable. The only thing I would say about Tua
[27:27] Speaker 1: is man, it's sad, but it's just true. Like he's
[27:33] Speaker 1: concussion prone and he played in an era where we
[27:38] Speaker 1: know as much as we do about concussions that he's
[27:42] Speaker 1: clearly been told you can't get concussions man, Like I
[27:47] Speaker 1: because it had happened, like when they when he had
[27:50] Speaker 1: the multiple concussions quick and he was having the fencing
[27:52] Speaker 1: response and it was really like tough to watch. He
[27:55] Speaker 1: got he got a concussion and I don't remember the
[27:58] Speaker 1: exact sequence of what happened, but they put him on
[28:01] Speaker 1: IR immediately and it. Maybe he came out of the
[28:06] Speaker 1: protocol sooner than that, but it got to the point
[28:09] Speaker 1: where Mike McDaniel was like, well, I can't.
[28:12] Speaker 3: You can't have a concussion and then play two of
[28:14] Speaker 3: the next week.
[28:15] Speaker 1: It felt cruel and reckless and like, you know, like,
[28:20] Speaker 1: but then they can't win without Tua. Apparently no one
[28:24] Speaker 1: else can run his offense, and so what do you
[28:27] Speaker 1: do with that guy? You probably tell him, hey man,
[28:29] Speaker 1: priority number one, don't get a concussion, don't get hit well.
[28:35] Speaker 1: So then you combine small quarterback, not the strongest arm
[28:39] Speaker 1: playing to not get hit, and you get what we
[28:43] Speaker 1: saw the other night.
[28:44] Speaker 3: More it's like, what is your career over?
[28:48] Speaker 2: Yes, right, Like it's it's over.
[28:51] Speaker 3: His career is over because he's.
[28:54] Speaker 1: Way too expensive and too accomplished and he's made too
[28:56] Speaker 1: much money and he's like too young. Is he gonna
[29:00] Speaker 1: play for six million bucks to be someone's to be?
[29:04] Speaker 1: To be Patrick Mahomes's backup next year? Like that would
[29:07] Speaker 1: shock me.
[29:08] Speaker 2: A in a strange way.
[29:09] Speaker 1: Not that it would be next year because of what
[29:11] Speaker 1: his contract, but two years from now is to a
[29:14] Speaker 1: five to ten million dollar a year backup for a
[29:17] Speaker 1: great quarterback.
[29:17] Speaker 2: That that would shock me in a weird way. He
[29:20] Speaker 2: got paid, he got his guaranteed money, he sent for life,
[29:24] Speaker 2: and he's probably best served to not play anymore because
[29:27] Speaker 2: of the concussions. In a sense, it played out not beautifully,
[29:35] Speaker 2: but it played out or ironically the way it should have.
[29:42] Speaker 2: He made a Pro Bowl, he got paid, there were concussions,
[29:48] Speaker 2: he got better, he got bad quickly, and it's probably
[29:54] Speaker 2: time to leave now, not stay for four years like
[29:58] Speaker 2: most guys could drag it on. In a way, it
[30:01] Speaker 2: all played out. Won a Natty, drafted first round, made
[30:05] Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl, got paid, concussion stuff, really bad, comes
[30:10] Speaker 2: back not the same player that was always probably going
[30:15] Speaker 2: to be his career, right Like like once he had
[30:18] Speaker 2: the first couple concussions, you're like, okay, it's like a
[30:21] Speaker 2: big man in the NBA getting injured. They'll go eleven
[30:24] Speaker 2: years not getting injured. That's just your body's not meant
[30:27] Speaker 2: to be seven to three, right, just not.
[30:30] Speaker 1: Can you imagine, just because you mentioned the dinner with
[30:33] Speaker 1: the Chargers GM, I would have loved to know next
[30:37] Speaker 1: time you have dinner with him, I'll fly out because
[30:38] Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's probably my favorite non Caleb Williams player, in football,
[30:43] Speaker 1: like I love watching Justin Herbert play football, have for forever.
[30:48] Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in that draft room being like, god,
[30:52] Speaker 1: I hope the Dolphins take two over Herbert.
[30:55] Speaker 3: Like what an insane decision.
[30:58] Speaker 1: When you're talking, you're talking about like height, Like one
[31:00] Speaker 1: guy looks like Tua, the other guy looks like Justin Herbert.
[31:05] Speaker 3: And you're like, I'm going Tua.
[31:07] Speaker 2: I just think it's a mind So I have insight
[31:10] Speaker 2: to that. Tom Telesco's a friend.
[31:12] Speaker 1: I would love to I would love to hear as
[31:14] Speaker 1: much about that as you're willing to share.
[31:16] Speaker 2: Okay, Tom liked both. Tom was leaning Tua because he
[31:21] Speaker 2: thought he thought Herbert was mechanical. He was a little stiff. Yeah, Tom,
[31:26] Speaker 2: Tom goes, I'm going to the Rose Bowl. Oregon's taking
[31:29] Speaker 2: on Wisconsin, and Wisconsin had, if you recall, a great
[31:33] Speaker 2: defense for about a two year stretch they had the
[31:35] Speaker 2: former NFL player came back and was their decordinator. Okay,
[31:40] Speaker 2: so he went and watched him, and I said, what
[31:44] Speaker 2: did you think? And he's like, yeah, you got to
[31:47] Speaker 2: see Herbert in person. First of all, he's way bigger
[31:49] Speaker 2: in person than on TV. And Tom said, secondly, he
[31:52] Speaker 2: is really really athletic, he said. Tom came to the
[31:56] Speaker 2: conclusion that Mario Christobal did not have a backup he
[32:03] Speaker 2: believed in, so they played a very super conservative offense.
[32:07] Speaker 2: Ohio State did this with c J. Stroud. They never
[32:10] Speaker 2: let him run and then he played Georgie in his
[32:13] Speaker 2: final game and they let c J. Stroud run and
[32:15] Speaker 2: he was running all over and you're like, oh what CJ.
[32:18] Speaker 2: Stroud's athletic. Justin Herbert was a very protect justin we
[32:23] Speaker 2: don't have a backup. We love let's and Mario knew
[32:26] Speaker 2: it was a really good team that could get to
[32:28] Speaker 2: a Rose Bowl. And then then you get to play
[32:30] Speaker 2: Wisconsin and you're like, okay, kid, do your magic. And
[32:34] Speaker 2: Tom said, you watched it and went, oh, okay, this
[32:37] Speaker 2: is a different version of the guy. And by the way,
[32:40] Speaker 2: John Snyder feels this way to Seahawk GM. You got
[32:43] Speaker 2: to go to the games. You just there's certain things
[32:46] Speaker 2: you gotta see. You got to be on the sideline
[32:47] Speaker 2: before the game. You gotta look at their confidence. You
[32:50] Speaker 2: gotta see you gotta hear the ball when they throw
[32:52] Speaker 2: it past you can you hear it? Like there's a
[32:54] Speaker 2: lot of things that you want to.
[32:55] Speaker 1: They interact with teammates. Do they hang their head?
[32:59] Speaker 2: I watched Boone Nick, so I went. I had a
[33:02] Speaker 2: place for a while in Utah and the Ducks were
[33:05] Speaker 2: in town, and I had seen Washington, Oregon. I'd seen
[33:07] Speaker 2: bone Nicks and Michael Pennix. I went to the game
[33:10] Speaker 2: because I was a Husky fan and a Duck fan,
[33:12] Speaker 2: but I wanted to see these two quarterbacks. I thought,
[33:13] Speaker 2: I can kill two birds one stone. Go to Husky
[33:15] Speaker 2: Stadium and a few weeks later they played Utah. I
[33:18] Speaker 2: was literally at my house. I'm like, it's just down
[33:20] Speaker 2: the road. I want to go watch the game. And
[33:22] Speaker 2: I got, strangely a great seat two rows in.
[33:24] Speaker 1: And I was right behind bone Nix. It wasn't so strange.
[33:27] Speaker 1: It wasn't strange. You're Colin Cowherd. I didn't think you
[33:30] Speaker 1: were gonna be in section three forty six. Like, go ahead, sorry, okay.
[33:34] Speaker 1: So I don't know how, but I got a sideline
[33:38] Speaker 1: pass and then my ticket was on the forty yard
[33:40] Speaker 1: line in the second round.
[33:41] Speaker 3: I don't know how it happened. I have an idea,
[33:43] Speaker 3: but go ahead.
[33:44] Speaker 2: So he's cut, Bow's cut when you see him like
[33:48] Speaker 2: he is like it reminded me of d Wade's body.
[33:50] Speaker 2: You're like, that guy lives in a gym. The second
[33:53] Speaker 2: thing was he was on the sideline and they were
[33:56] Speaker 2: winning comfortably. I mean, he was a coach park turn player,
[33:59] Speaker 2: and I was like, holy shit, that is a frickin' inte.
[34:04] Speaker 2: He was intense and they were up by three touchdowns early.
[34:07] Speaker 2: Bon Mix is and I was just like, oh wow, okay,
[34:10] Speaker 2: that's the first round. So I knew Sean Payton at
[34:12] Speaker 2: the time, and I said, Sean, let me tell you
[34:15] Speaker 2: a story about Bonix. I'm like, that guy's impressive in person.
[34:20] Speaker 2: And Sean, you know, he loved him just before he
[34:23] Speaker 2: even saw him on film, and you know his personality.
[34:26] Speaker 2: The dad was a coach. But I guess the whole
[34:28] Speaker 2: point being is when you see Herbert in person, or
[34:31] Speaker 2: you see some of these quarterbacks in person, to hear
[34:34] Speaker 2: the ball, to see the interaction, it's different than you
[34:36] Speaker 2: and I. That's why I go to two or three
[34:38] Speaker 2: college games a year. I want to see people in person.
[34:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's I mean, that's that's what
[34:43] Speaker 1: scouting is, right. You can't just watch the film. There's
[34:46] Speaker 1: all sorts of soft factors. It's interesting that the Herbert
[34:49] Speaker 1: mechanical thing, I think that's totally fair. Like he's the
[34:53] Speaker 1: last couple of years, I think it translated to the pros.
[34:57] Speaker 1: I think he was very you know, make the right read.
[35:02] Speaker 1: Sometimes you would throw short of the sticks a little
[35:04] Speaker 1: bit too much, but you know what I mean. I
[35:06] Speaker 1: think I think that that was a fair criticism of him.
[35:10] Speaker 1: But for me, I also was just like there was
[35:12] Speaker 1: always like, man, you know what, that guy's not the problem.
[35:15] Speaker 1: Like his rookie his rookie year, he's not even supposed
[35:19] Speaker 1: to start. Tyrod Taylor has the mis state and the
[35:23] Speaker 1: middle the.
[35:24] Speaker 3: Mistake punctured lunk thing.
[35:26] Speaker 1: He comes in and he plays in Week two and
[35:28] Speaker 1: at the end of the year, yes my homes, yeah right,
[35:31] Speaker 1: exactly the end of the year, he's got thirty one
[35:34] Speaker 1: touchdown passes, which is still a record for rookie players.
[35:38] Speaker 3: And I'm like, unbelievable, he said.
[35:40] Speaker 1: Three head coaches, he said, I think four play callers.
[35:43] Speaker 1: He's had disastrous injuries around him. Always they just have
[35:47] Speaker 1: terrible luck, terrible special teams. Until this year. Finally, Dicker
[35:51] Speaker 1: is an unbelievable kicker. Like he's obviously got a coach
[35:54] Speaker 1: who knows how to win. Still horrifying injury luck most
[35:57] Speaker 1: offensive line combinations in the NFL, Like, I just I
[36:00] Speaker 1: want to see one year and I know everybody gets hurt,
[36:04] Speaker 1: just like one year where Justin Herbert has just like
[36:08] Speaker 1: above average luck around him. Because I'm just to me,
[36:13] Speaker 1: it's like, you watch the NFL, well, you can't have
[36:16] Speaker 1: him in your top five because he has zero playoff wins.
[36:18] Speaker 1: I'm like, watch me like Mahomes Alan this year. You
[36:23] Speaker 1: want to say Stafford, fine, but if you think there
[36:26] Speaker 1: are five five quarterbacks in the world better than Justin Herbert,
[36:30] Speaker 1: I just think you're insane. I think it's an I
[36:32] Speaker 1: think it's an insane thought.
[36:33] Speaker 3: But it's just got zero wins.
[36:35] Speaker 2: And people will say interceptions, but right now seven of
[36:38] Speaker 2: the leading eleven interception leaders in the NFL are Josh Allen, Mahomes, Herbert,
[36:43] Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, dak Bo Nicks. It's like, guys, for of
[36:47] Speaker 2: the last six Super Bowls, the winning quarterback through an
[36:50] Speaker 2: interception into Super Bowl, Like, you got to get over that.
[36:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, they and listen, he had four interceptions in that
[36:57] Speaker 1: game against Houston last year. Obvious sleep in the playoff
[37:00] Speaker 1: game obviously not good. Two of them were off his
[37:03] Speaker 1: guy's hands, and his offensive line was decimated in the interior.
[37:06] Speaker 1: And Houston is a great defense, and he had he
[37:08] Speaker 1: was a bad game to have the worst game of
[37:10] Speaker 1: his career, undeniable blew a twenty seven point lead to Jacksonville.
[37:15] Speaker 1: I don't tend to think that's on the quarterback, missed kick,
[37:18] Speaker 1: other team defense, all those things. But you know, again,
[37:20] Speaker 1: oh and two, you got to live with it. But
[37:22] Speaker 1: I've just he's going to hoist the Lombardi Trophy. He's
[37:25] Speaker 1: going to be an MVP. Like I just I think
[37:27] Speaker 1: he's too good not to.
[37:31] Speaker 2: One of the things that it's one of the things
[37:38] Speaker 2: I always feel bad for athletes. I know they're rich,
[37:43] Speaker 2: yeah sure, but I always feel bad for athletes that
[37:47] Speaker 2: the harder you train in college, the greater you are
[37:51] Speaker 2: the worst franchise you go to. And I have some
[37:55] Speaker 2: I've thought about this Joe Burrow situation so many times.
[38:01] Speaker 2: So in his is it six or seven years in
[38:03] Speaker 2: the NFL, he's never had an O line rated higher
[38:07] Speaker 2: than twenty third best in the NFL. They don't make
[38:10] Speaker 2: any big trades. Even their star players are almost forced
[38:14] Speaker 2: to hold out Zach Tator by any estimation is okay.
[38:21] Speaker 2: And even if he wasn't, they don't fire and payoff
[38:24] Speaker 2: coaches early. Cincinnati is a small I mean, people don't
[38:26] Speaker 2: understand Los Angeles doesn't have a bigger economy than Cincinnati.
[38:31] Speaker 2: It's hundreds of times bigger. The game day revenue Stan
[38:35] Speaker 2: Cronk makes it. SOFI in a Sunday is probably almost
[38:39] Speaker 2: a season worth of game day revenue. Maybe two SOFI
[38:43] Speaker 2: games is an entire season worth of home games for Cincinnati.
[38:46] Speaker 2: So I really I and I feel Joe Burrow and
[38:54] Speaker 2: Carson Palmer already ditch this organization. What do you do?
[38:58] Speaker 2: Because I think what we're seeing is Overah knowing he's
[39:01] Speaker 2: trapped and there's been now counting three press conferences when
[39:05] Speaker 2: he's been asked about this by SIAT, by Cincinnati media. Danny,
[39:11] Speaker 2: they are a therapist, he's on the couch. He's like,
[39:14] Speaker 2: I think about a lot of things. I think we
[39:16] Speaker 2: are watching the greatest American football player who's in an
[39:20] Speaker 2: awful situation in Cincinnati. And I feel absolutely I know
[39:24] Speaker 2: he's rich. I feel horrible for him.
[39:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, so he was you know, obviously
[39:29] Speaker 1: he was asked about that this week and he said
[39:32] Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with Cincinnati. Hard to believe him.
[39:37] Speaker 2: Because somebody said, do you think about leaving or something?
[39:40] Speaker 2: Do you think and he said I think about a
[39:42] Speaker 2: lot of things, And I thought that was the best answer.
[39:45] Speaker 2: Where I hate it here, but I don't want to
[39:48] Speaker 2: throw my teammates or my coaches under the bus.
[39:51] Speaker 3: So I think it's hard.
[39:54] Speaker 1: We do it all the time, and so like sometimes
[39:56] Speaker 1: like when these things get clipped, I try, I'm like,
[39:58] Speaker 1: is the is the player going to see it? Who
[40:00] Speaker 1: the hell does this guy think he is to psychoanalyze me?
[40:03] Speaker 1: So like, I know your people won't do that, but
[40:05] Speaker 1: just we're having a good conversation. I think people will
[40:07] Speaker 1: listen to it in its entirety and take it there.
[40:09] Speaker 1: I Joe Burrow strikes me as someone and he has
[40:16] Speaker 1: said things around this. He strikes me as someone who
[40:20] Speaker 1: loves football but does not love the things that come
[40:25] Speaker 1: with football, Like you don't see Joe Burrow in a
[40:29] Speaker 1: lot of commercials. I don't think Joe Burrow likes fame,
[40:33] Speaker 1: which is totally understandable. You just said rich and famous.
[40:37] Speaker 3: Try rich.
[40:38] Speaker 1: It's probably enough for you, right, But like Patrick Mahomes
[40:42] Speaker 1: clearly is okay with being famous. Clearly he's in a
[40:45] Speaker 1: ton of commercials. He sits courtside at games, he shows
[40:50] Speaker 1: up at celebrity golf tournaments like he's very comfortable being famous.
[40:54] Speaker 3: Josh Allen, same thing. Caleb Williams, same thing.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, a very introverted guy, does not like it
[41:03] Speaker 1: is dating a model, influencer, singer, song or whatever. Madison
[41:08] Speaker 1: Beer is, and she's all of those things according to
[41:10] Speaker 1: her Wikipedia page.
[41:11] Speaker 3: He's clearly like getting used to it or trying to
[41:15] Speaker 3: because of the woman that he.
[41:16] Speaker 2: When I had Justin Herbert on this year, the Charger
[41:19] Speaker 2: said they got calls from even their own employees going
[41:23] Speaker 2: Justin's on television just hides from the media. And he's like,
[41:28] Speaker 2: well he's listened to Colin when he was a kid.
[41:31] Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But the point being is Justin literally
[41:35] Speaker 2: it's not anti media. He just he's embarrassed by being
[41:40] Speaker 2: front and center above his teammates. He's that kind of guy.
[41:44] Speaker 3: Sure, okay, And so that's like a football thing.
[41:45] Speaker 1: But like you know, Joe Burrow, he loves he did
[41:49] Speaker 1: that the Netflix quarterback thing, and I and I watched it,
[41:53] Speaker 1: and he's he's interesting, he's thoughtful, he's very close with
[41:58] Speaker 1: his parents. He's genuinely into fashion.
[42:02] Speaker 3: He you know, he.
[42:02] Speaker 1: Tried to buy the Batmobile then he had to return it.
[42:05] Speaker 1: He likes I think he liked Pokemon cards.
[42:08] Speaker 3: And video games.
[42:08] Speaker 1: He seems like a kid, like a big kid who
[42:11] Speaker 1: got rich and he's having to be really good at football.
[42:13] Speaker 3: And then you remember the story about his home invasion.
[42:16] Speaker 1: He was he's one of those athletes who they were
[42:18] Speaker 1: on the yes on the road house got broken into,
[42:23] Speaker 1: what got stolen kind of got reported, who was there,
[42:27] Speaker 1: you know, got reported, And he talked about it being
[42:30] Speaker 1: like a felt very violated, huge invasion of privacy and
[42:34] Speaker 1: like both like the literal invasion of his home, but
[42:37] Speaker 1: then also the reporting around it and what was revealed
[42:39] Speaker 1: about his personal life and who he was dating that he.
[42:41] Speaker 3: Didn't want revealed.
[42:43] Speaker 1: I again, literally no insight into it, but just how
[42:47] Speaker 1: he handled that press conference after the burglary at his house.
[42:52] Speaker 1: I wonder how much that's sticking with him of just like, man,
[42:56] Speaker 1: is this I'm injured. I've been injured multiple times, so
[43:01] Speaker 1: I'm spending a lot more time rehabbing than playing.
[43:03] Speaker 3: Football.
[43:04] Speaker 1: I'm losing, we are we are losing, and the cost
[43:09] Speaker 1: of this is coming at like a real expense.
[43:11] Speaker 2: To like, especially he's in Ohio. You can't you can
[43:15] Speaker 2: hide in LA. You can't hide when you're an Ohio
[43:18] Speaker 2: boy playing for the Bengals.
[43:19] Speaker 1: Right, Because I've seen some people think, oh, he doesn't
[43:21] Speaker 1: like fame, looking how he dresses, I'm like, I don't know.
[43:23] Speaker 1: The Netflix thing made it seem like he is just
[43:25] Speaker 1: like genuinely interested in fashion, which is a totally reasonable
[43:30] Speaker 1: thing for people to be interested in, and you have
[43:32] Speaker 1: money and access to whatever.
[43:33] Speaker 3: So like, I just I think he hates fame. He
[43:37] Speaker 3: hates being injured. Obviously, he hates losing.
[43:40] Speaker 1: And so where I my guess is where that time
[43:43] Speaker 1: He's like, I don't just like Cincinnati. I've been in
[43:46] Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, I've played for I've been I've played
[43:48] Speaker 1: for another super Bowl. I've won here. But is Cincinnati
[43:52] Speaker 1: doing all the things on the margins to allow him
[43:55] Speaker 1: to win? You know, like, if if they, if they,
[43:57] Speaker 1: if they were a small market team operated like the
[44:00] Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers or the Kansas City Chiefs or whatever,
[44:04] Speaker 1: like I think he would be totally fine with it.
[44:07] Speaker 2: And so Tom Tom Brady was like this in New England.
[44:10] Speaker 2: Tom was taking pay cuts and going where all my receivers?
[44:15] Speaker 3: Right? Right?
[44:16] Speaker 2: So Joe Burrows like, I'm doing all these rehabs because
[44:20] Speaker 2: you can't protect me.
[44:22] Speaker 3: Right.
[44:23] Speaker 2: So I think Brady felt like at the end he
[44:26] Speaker 2: chose Tampa because of Mike Evans Chris Godwin. I'll bring
[44:30] Speaker 2: Gronk like they had. They had three tight ends. I
[44:33] Speaker 2: think Joe and Tom are like and Tom won all
[44:37] Speaker 2: the Super Bowls, but at the end, Tom was frustrated,
[44:39] Speaker 2: I'm not respected. We have no wide receivers that can
[44:42] Speaker 2: get open. I'm taking pay cuts. Where are the playmakers
[44:46] Speaker 2: around me? And I think Joe's like, you won't protect me.
[44:51] Speaker 2: I'm I'm the car. That's the insurance policy. You won't pay,
[44:55] Speaker 2: the policy known as the old line.
[44:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I just wonder. I obviously hope Joe
[45:00] Speaker 1: Burrow doesn't retire like he you know, I and Diana
[45:03] Speaker 1: Rossini reported that people are taking that too far with
[45:06] Speaker 1: the Andrew Luck comparisons.
[45:07] Speaker 3: I hope she's I hope she's right. But if he's.
[45:11] Speaker 1: Fallen out of love with football because of the physical
[45:17] Speaker 1: toll it's taken on his body, and the toll it's
[45:19] Speaker 1: taken on his like mental health and like the price
[45:22] Speaker 1: of fame, then anything's possible, you know. But I would
[45:27] Speaker 1: say also, just like so like that's one thought. Other thought.
[45:31] Speaker 1: If you're right and it's man, he's tired of the Bengals,
[45:36] Speaker 1: what do you think twenty two to twenty six teams
[45:41] Speaker 1: should call Cincinnati this offseason and say our quarterback plus two.
[45:46] Speaker 3: First round picks for Joe Burrow.
[45:48] Speaker 1: Right, Like, he's unbelievable, He's in his prime, his contract
[45:54] Speaker 1: is relatively reasonable. Like basically every team in the league
[45:58] Speaker 1: should at least make that phone call.
[46:00] Speaker 3: If he loves football and hates Cincinnati.
[46:03] Speaker 1: Everyone should try to get Joe Burrow to demand to trade.
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[47:45] Speaker 2: app today. The New York Giants right now would have
[47:52] Speaker 2: the number one pick. You trade Jackson Dart, you take
[47:55] Speaker 2: the six, five and a half Fernando Mendoza absolutely.
[48:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, oh oh, okay, I think you were saying Joe Burrow.
[48:03] Speaker 2: Okay, we're saying no shit, And that's a college quarterback
[48:08] Speaker 2: that's unproven Burrow Here, if Burull had no injuries, three
[48:13] Speaker 2: first round picks two two's one to three and all
[48:18] Speaker 2: I need back is a backup. All I need back
[48:20] Speaker 2: is a player. I mean again, what I think Nick
[48:23] Speaker 2: Wright once said this, like, we have undervalued how much
[48:28] Speaker 2: a great quarterback is worth. If Mendoza is as good
[48:32] Speaker 2: as I think he's going to be, Yeah, okay, is
[48:36] Speaker 2: four first round picks unreasonable?
[48:38] Speaker 1: No?
[48:38] Speaker 3: You you mentioned Nick again?
[48:40] Speaker 1: Uh? And obviously he's a connective tissue between the two
[48:42] Speaker 1: of us. But maybe my favorite Nick take ever was
[48:46] Speaker 1: he says is that he said, I would trade for
[48:49] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And I know it's against league rules because
[48:52] Speaker 1: it's capped on the number of picks you could say,
[48:53] Speaker 1: but I would trade Aaron Rodgers, and the trade would be,
[48:57] Speaker 1: you can have all of my first round picks for
[48:59] Speaker 1: as long as he's on the tape him right, if
[49:02] Speaker 1: he's if he's on my team for nine years, it's
[49:05] Speaker 1: nine first round picks. If he's on my team for
[49:07] Speaker 1: six years, it's six first round That is a great take.
[49:11] Speaker 1: It's just it's it's beautifully constructed.
[49:13] Speaker 2: Well, and it's like, what's funny is so the Packers
[49:18] Speaker 2: have lost Tucker Craft great, Micah Parson's great, Kenny Clark
[49:22] Speaker 2: run stopper, and Christian Watson their deep ball specialist.
[49:27] Speaker 1: Well this Zach Tom their right tackle he had the
[49:31] Speaker 1: knee injury.
[49:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really good too.
[49:33] Speaker 2: And yet this weekend they're favored over Chicago. If all
[49:38] Speaker 2: of those players were still there and Jordan Love was out,
[49:41] Speaker 2: you'd be like Bears in a blowout. Like yeah, So
[49:45] Speaker 2: so when you nick nick Wright's take is that there
[49:48] Speaker 2: is no there is no the value is it's it's
[49:52] Speaker 2: the old commercial. It's priceless. Is that if Jordan Love
[49:56] Speaker 2: got hurt and you still had Micah and Kraft and
[49:58] Speaker 2: Watson and Kenny Clarke att, season's over.
[50:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right, we see it and listen, you
[50:05] Speaker 1: and I gamble enough. You see it in the point spread.
[50:07] Speaker 1: Sometimes when Kyler's out and Jacoby Brissett's him, there's no
[50:12] Speaker 1: movement in the point spread. Other times when all the
[50:16] Speaker 1: times when Lamar Jackson's out, it's.
[50:18] Speaker 3: Like, oh, that's ten points like on the point spread.
[50:22] Speaker 1: Like, oh, okay, now I know the difference between Lamar
[50:26] Speaker 1: Jackson and Kyler Murray.
[50:27] Speaker 3: It's significant, you know what I mean?
[50:29] Speaker 1: Like, and so there are there are, there are some
[50:32] Speaker 1: of those guys that are true, crazy difference making level players,
[50:36] Speaker 1: and you do anything to get him.
[50:38] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Mendoza is about as good a prospect
[50:41] Speaker 2: as you're gonna get. I mean, humble, Oh, I think
[50:43] Speaker 2: he's so. And the other thing is I talked to
[50:46] Speaker 2: an NFL coach about him. I said this, this person
[50:53] Speaker 2: may need a quarterback, but won't be able to get Mendoza,
[50:57] Speaker 2: who will go number one. He won't have. He won't
[51:00] Speaker 2: be able to move up, and he said he's also
[51:03] Speaker 2: such an easy player to scout because Indiana runs pro concepts,
[51:08] Speaker 2: so you will know watching his college film, the throws
[51:12] Speaker 2: he canon cannot make. He goes, he's such an easy
[51:15] Speaker 2: and this is a very good coach who may draft
[51:19] Speaker 2: a quarterback in the next two or three years, may not.
[51:22] Speaker 2: It's not urgent, but his take was easy guy to camp.
[51:27] Speaker 2: He said, these big twelve guys like Mahomes, you knew
[51:30] Speaker 2: he was talented, but you're like, what in the hell
[51:31] Speaker 2: is that offense?
[51:32] Speaker 3: Yes, he goes.
[51:33] Speaker 2: Mendoza is like, they run pro concepts. You will know.
[51:36] Speaker 2: He goes, it's it's one day I watch in film.
[51:39] Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, you can make that throw, that throw,
[51:41] Speaker 2: that throw, that throw the audible out of that throw.
[51:43] Speaker 2: He goes, he's the easiest guy to scout.
[51:45] Speaker 3: Ever, what.
[51:48] Speaker 1: So, I haven't done the full deep dive on him.
[51:50] Speaker 1: You've watched more of them, so I'll defer to you
[51:52] Speaker 1: for now on it. But what how would you comp
[51:54] Speaker 1: that to JJ McCarthy.
[51:57] Speaker 2: Well, you say, bigger athlete what I'm saying.
[52:00] Speaker 1: But it wasn't the thing on McCarthy, like, yeah, he
[52:01] Speaker 1: doesn't have the most pass attempts, but pro style, winner,
[52:06] Speaker 1: great leader, people love him, all those things.
[52:09] Speaker 2: Well, he also had Jim Harbaugh, the best offensive line
[52:11] Speaker 2: in the country, the best defense in the country, and
[52:13] Speaker 2: they ran a half with no throws. He was never
[52:18] Speaker 2: really asked. They won almost every game in a blowout. Now,
[52:21] Speaker 2: Indiana this year has been blowing people out like Illinois.
[52:25] Speaker 2: But you know, I think remember Mendoza was at cal
[52:28] Speaker 2: and then Mendoza goes to Indiana, and so I think
[52:31] Speaker 2: the feeling on Mendoza is compared to JJ McCarthy, better traits,
[52:36] Speaker 2: better arm, bigger guy, incredibly humble, neat story, his parents, neat,
[52:43] Speaker 2: easy to embrace story. And I think Michigan was not
[52:48] Speaker 2: as pro as you think. It was very run heavy Indiana.
[52:54] Speaker 2: I mean that Ohio State and that Penn State. Those games, like, guys,
[52:58] Speaker 2: we need to score, we need to sling it. This
[53:00] Speaker 2: last drive means everything. And you're going up against the
[53:03] Speaker 2: Ohio State secondary. They got Caleb Downs is going to
[53:07] Speaker 2: be the first seven players taken.
[53:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's ridiculous.
[53:10] Speaker 2: So you're watching pro concepts, pro guy. Indiana's got some
[53:14] Speaker 2: pro players. Ohio State secondaries all pro players. It's like
[53:17] Speaker 2: that's easy film to digest and go, that's a great player.
[53:21] Speaker 2: I felt like in the JJ McCarthy when people asked
[53:25] Speaker 2: about JJ McCarthy, they gave my least favorite answer. He's
[53:29] Speaker 2: a winner, Right, Well, what does that mean? I mean
[53:33] Speaker 2: every Florida quarterback Spurrier had was a winner because it
[53:36] Speaker 2: was Steve Spurrier and he was eight years ahead of everybody.
[53:39] Speaker 2: Everybody else in the SEZ offensively, So I think Mendoza
[53:43] Speaker 2: is one of the better easier guys to preview we've seen.
[53:49] Speaker 3: So that's that's that's really interesting. I'm trying to think, like.
[53:53] Speaker 1: The Trevor Lawrence as a prospect was like, okay, make
[53:59] Speaker 1: all the throws when.
[54:00] Speaker 2: But Clemson didn't run. Clemson's a very it's more college
[54:04] Speaker 2: than pro Dabbo is very much a college coach, whereas Signetti,
[54:12] Speaker 2: if he was ten years younger, could get an NFL job.
[54:15] Speaker 2: But he's a college guy. He loves college, and he's
[54:17] Speaker 2: in his sixties. If Signetti was fifty two, he'd get
[54:21] Speaker 2: Jim you know, he'd get NFL calls. Absolutely, I think
[54:24] Speaker 2: you know what I think he is. He's a much
[54:25] Speaker 2: better version of Brian Kelly.
[54:30] Speaker 3: I'm just trying.
[54:30] Speaker 1: I'm going back through my in my head of like
[54:32] Speaker 1: the best college prospects that you know, like Burrow at
[54:39] Speaker 1: LSU the year before before Trevor.
[54:42] Speaker 2: I mean part thing for him Burrow was average as
[54:45] Speaker 2: a junior, and the LSU team may have been the
[54:48] Speaker 2: most talented college team in the history of the sport.
[54:51] Speaker 2: So you're like, I was, Yeah, everybody liked him, but
[54:55] Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, his receivers are better than the
[54:58] Speaker 2: Patriots now in college right right?
[55:00] Speaker 1: I uh So, my wife went to Clemson and so
[55:04] Speaker 1: she got me into Clemson football, like starting in Deshaun
[55:06] Speaker 1: Watson's freshman year and for like a basically for the
[55:09] Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson Trevor Lawrence era. That the best era of
[55:12] Speaker 1: Clemson football ever. We watched basically every game, and I'd
[55:17] Speaker 1: say the worst sports bet I've ever made is is
[55:23] Speaker 1: Clemson LSU in the title game. It's like, yeah, I'm
[55:27] Speaker 1: just gonna bet against Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,
[55:30] Speaker 1: and Clyde Edwards Hilaire in a dome in Louisiana.
[55:35] Speaker 3: This was a mistake. It was a mistake.
[55:37] Speaker 1: They scored on like every possession.
[55:39] Speaker 3: It was like against Clemson for the title it's like, oh,
[55:42] Speaker 3: do you ever they're really good? Like I was maybe
[55:46] Speaker 3: a little bit of a homer on that one.
[55:48] Speaker 2: When I lose last week. I was two and three,
[55:51] Speaker 2: but I really felt I was on the right side
[55:53] Speaker 2: of Carolina. I thought I had a tips down lead
[55:55] Speaker 2: two minutes left. I thought it was bad coaching by
[55:57] Speaker 2: Dave Canalis. Let's give on a fourth down the ball
[56:00] Speaker 2: to the least skilled offensive player we have, the full
[56:02] Speaker 2: back jesus, I mean, Bryce Young runs well, he's clever,
[56:07] Speaker 2: he's creative, he's slippery. Giving the ball, let him try
[56:09] Speaker 2: to get a yard. So but do you ever make
[56:12] Speaker 2: a bet, You'd say it's a worse bet. About three
[56:15] Speaker 2: or four times a year, I'll make a bet and
[56:17] Speaker 2: I know instantly I didn't think about that. Like, for instance,
[56:22] Speaker 2: Miami beat the Jets and the thing was over in
[56:26] Speaker 2: four minutes, and I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Mike
[56:29] Speaker 2: McDaniel is coaching for his job. His staff is coaching
[56:33] Speaker 2: for their jobs. You could tell their game plan was clever,
[56:37] Speaker 2: they were into it. They had huge juice and energy.
[56:39] Speaker 2: It's like they look like they were in a playoff game,
[56:42] Speaker 2: and the Jets are like, we need a better draft pick.
[56:45] Speaker 2: Nobody's getting fired here, So yeah, that's a game I
[56:49] Speaker 2: knew eight minutes. I'm like, I just picked up. I
[56:51] Speaker 2: didn't think about that.
[56:53] Speaker 1: Yeah all the of course, all the time, I thought
[56:55] Speaker 1: you were gonna go the other way, because this is
[56:57] Speaker 1: the one that I do all the time that Nick hates.
[57:00] Speaker 1: I'm like, like, well, I lost that bet, but I
[57:03] Speaker 1: was on the right side.
[57:06] Speaker 3: All the time. I'm like, I'm happy. I'm fine.
[57:09] Speaker 1: I'm not not happy, but I'm fine to lose that
[57:12] Speaker 1: bet because I know I was.
[57:14] Speaker 3: I handicapped it correct.
[57:15] Speaker 2: Bad line was the pick Revenge Spot Extra Rest. They
[57:20] Speaker 2: were the pick last week.
[57:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the other thing that I do with
[57:24] Speaker 1: gambling that I need to get over, but I just
[57:27] Speaker 1: I hold grudges. I love Survivor contests. I've never won one.
[57:33] Speaker 1: I could probably buy like a BMW with every dollar
[57:36] Speaker 1: I've lost the Survivor over my career doing it, I
[57:38] Speaker 1: could probably have a much nicer car.
[57:40] Speaker 3: Than I do right now, or at least least one.
[57:43] Speaker 1: But this year, me and a couple of buddies who
[57:47] Speaker 1: gambled together, we did an entry in like a Super
[57:51] Speaker 1: Survivor where it's it's a five thousand dollars entry into
[57:55] Speaker 1: a Survivor Yeah, massive, massive, massive, massive size, like you know,
[58:00] Speaker 1: literally seven figure payout type thing, not a ton of entrants.
[58:05] Speaker 1: And so like me and a couple of guys, real
[58:08] Speaker 1: sharp people, huge NFL guys, gamblers, money people, numbers all
[58:12] Speaker 1: the thing, and I obviously have a percentage of it.
[58:15] Speaker 1: And we got eliminated on the Falcons against the Panthers.
[58:20] Speaker 3: This is taking Atlanta.
[58:22] Speaker 1: This was earlier early in the year, before we knew
[58:24] Speaker 1: that Carolina was actually legit this year. And Carolina won
[58:29] Speaker 1: thirty to zero, and we're we're and we're on Atlanta,
[58:33] Speaker 1: and I'm like, I made a pledge, just like I'll
[58:35] Speaker 1: never bet Atlanta the rest of the year.
[58:37] Speaker 3: Like I won't do it. I'm like, I refuse.
[58:39] Speaker 1: They haven't been in a show pick, they haven't been
[58:42] Speaker 1: in other Survivor contests. I will bet against them, and
[58:46] Speaker 1: then when I bet against them, they cover. I'm like,
[58:48] Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons this year are my least favorite team
[58:51] Speaker 1: in football by so far because of that Survivor pick.
[58:54] Speaker 1: And I know that I shouldn't be admitting that bias,
[58:56] Speaker 1: but I'm like, I hold a grudge against you.
[58:58] Speaker 2: This has been I don't like them. There's been a
[59:01] Speaker 2: running joke in my show for years. They the Atlanta
[59:04] Speaker 2: Falcons are an ATM machine, the opposite I only give
[59:09] Speaker 2: money to it. It's they're the Bermuda Triangle.
[59:14] Speaker 3: Of the irls.
[59:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, like, all I do is get audited and pay
[59:20] Speaker 2: write checks. I don't think I could not tell you
[59:23] Speaker 2: the last time I won on the Atlanta Falcons. They're
[59:25] Speaker 2: the weirdest franchise in the league.
[59:27] Speaker 3: Weird, it's just it's just it's insane.
[59:31] Speaker 2: But then they go on Thursday and beat Baker Mayfield
[59:34] Speaker 2: in Tampa.
[59:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they did.
[59:38] Speaker 1: And Kyle Pitts had the best game as a pro,
[59:41] Speaker 1: best game, best game as a pro by far in
[59:44] Speaker 1: Week one of the Fantasy Playoffs, three weeks before its
[59:48] Speaker 1: contract time for Kyle Pitts like, well, what do you
[59:51] Speaker 1: do with that? Because he looked he looked like a
[59:53] Speaker 1: combination of like Ozzie Newsome and Tony Gonzalez, And he's like, oh, okay, well,
[59:58] Speaker 1: I guess you're awesome, but maybe you're not.
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: I have no idea what the hell's going on?
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, all I will say, though Bijeon is great, Jean's
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: not tough to scout. He is.
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: He is Falcons proof. It's like, oh, that guy is
[1:00:12] Speaker 3: one of the best players in the NFL.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: Like, I know, the NFL Top one hundred list is
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: super flawed and biased and all that. I'm like, but
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: that guy, if he showed up to the top ten
[1:00:20] Speaker 1: on next year's list, I'd be like, yeah, I got
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: no problem with it.
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: He is.
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a GM tell me it was. He
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: said he's the cleanest running back he's taken since Ladanian Tomlinson.
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: He said, doesn't fumble, great kid, great locker room, can catch,
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: can block, can run. It seemed like he got into
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: a pissing match with Arthur Smith his rookie year, like
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: he just stopped using him. But no, it's yeah, Bjean's great.
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: And for a long time there was don't take a
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: running back in the first round, and there's been some misses.
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: But Christian McCaffrey and Bijean and Saquon and Zeke, it's
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: like this kid for Notre Dame, Jeremiah Love. Yeah, that
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: he's that's a first round player.
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I think think, like I think
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: it's gone a little bit. The names that we just mentioned,
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs, included like are our reasons to do it,
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: but also like because the rookie, when you know it's
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: not the number one pick, is not getting sixty million
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: dollars anymore, like JaMarcus Russell, like it got slotted down
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: that if it that any player who hits on a
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: first round contract is a huge value. Now, a quarterback
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: that hits is more valuable. A left tackle who hits
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: is more valuable relative to like what they get paid.
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: But it's you get the fifth year option on first
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: round picks, and you don't want running backs in their
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: late twenties early thirties traditionally some guys are starting to
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: break that mold, but running backs a young man's game,
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: so especially at the end of the first round when
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: the contract's really cheap. Like we saw the Chiefs do
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: it with Clyde Edwards Hilayer. It didn't work out, but
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: I totally supported the logical. I think the Patriots did
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: it with Sony Michelle one year. Again it didn't really
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: work out, but like end of the first round, talented
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: running back who you can execute the fifth year option
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: on if he works out, and so you have him
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: for his age like twenty three through twenty eight season.
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: I actually think that's like a really sharp franchise move.
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: To make I agree.
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: Danny Parkins is always buddy, great chatting.
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, this was fin Our Hours, fly by Man. We'll
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: do it again.
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: The volume

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