# Reaction to Rams-Bears, Texans-Patriots, Bills-Broncos & 49ers-Seahawks

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 19 Jan 2026, 1 h 06 min.

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Colin Cowherd and '3 & Out' host John Middlekauff react to the NFL Divisional Playoffs. They start off with the insane game between the Los Angeles Rams & Chicago Bears. They give their take on Caleb Williams incredible 4th down play to force overtime, Matthew Stafford finding Davante Adams to set up game winning Field Goal. Who do they like in the NFC Championship game between the the Rams & Seahawks. Next they react to New England Patriots beating the Houston Texans. They give their takes on Drake Maye, Mike Vrabel and what Houston should do with CJ Stroud. Josh Allen loses another heartbreaker, this time to Sean Payton & Denver Broncos. How will Denver fare with Jarrett Stidham with Bo Nix being out the rest of the postseason. The Seattle Seahawks dominated the San Francisco 49ers from start to finish. They discuss Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold & Mike Macdonald. Lastly they hit the new head coach hirings: John Harbaugh to New York Giants & Kevin Stefanski to the Atlanta Falcons. Timeline: 02:30 Rams-Bears 25:30 Texans-Patriots 35:30 Bills-Broncos 53:00 49ers-Seahawks 1:01:00 John Harbaugh to the Giants (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:36] Speaker 1: The beginning of the next hour, former NFL scout and
[0:40] Speaker 1: a new father, John middlecoff Rams twenty bears, seventeen Rams
[0:48] Speaker 1: play an extra quarder the Seahawks, and that deep young
[0:53] Speaker 1: roster will have an extra day of prep, so a
[0:55] Speaker 1: little bit of a Seahawk advantage going into the NFC Championship.
[1:00] Speaker 1: Between Caleb's throw to the back of the end zone
[1:03] Speaker 1: to send it in overtime and Stafford's throw to DeVante Adams,
[1:08] Speaker 1: I honestly believe John, those are the two best throws
[1:10] Speaker 1: I've seen in the playoffs. I don't have the memory
[1:14] Speaker 1: if to know all season I mean that lost in
[1:19] Speaker 1: all of this. I wrote this down during the game.
[1:23] Speaker 1: One penalty for the Rams. No turnovers. I didn't. I
[1:30] Speaker 1: don't have a dropped pass by the Rams. We've talked
[1:34] Speaker 1: about it this year. Seattle I think has more talent.
[1:38] Speaker 1: I think Eagles may have a better roster man. You've
[1:41] Speaker 1: got to beat the Rams. I mean, just though, just
[1:45] Speaker 1: don't make any mistakes. It's the worst whether they could
[1:48] Speaker 1: play in as an indoor team. They go on the road,
[1:52] Speaker 1: and I think in the end they just you know,
[1:55] Speaker 1: great first drive, great last drive, then they get the
[1:58] Speaker 1: huge pick. I mean, Seattle Rams kind of feels fitting,
[2:03] Speaker 1: doesn't it.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought the Bears they were pretty good.
[2:08] Speaker 2: I mean, their defense was really playing well the second
[2:11] Speaker 2: half of last game in the night. I mean physically,
[2:13] Speaker 2: they were hitting, they were covering pretty well. They felt
[2:17] Speaker 2: for the first time not this great Cinderella team and
[2:21] Speaker 2: a real like Super Bowl contender. I thought, if they
[2:23] Speaker 2: win this game, obviously you're in the Final four. But
[2:26] Speaker 2: just the way their defense had played for second half
[2:29] Speaker 2: into this game, obviously you know the weather benefits them.
[2:34] Speaker 2: I also think that for the Rams, what an organization
[2:38] Speaker 2: will win, there is no way to prep when you
[2:41] Speaker 2: practice in Los Angeles, there's just no Sean McVay was asking,
[2:45] Speaker 2: I don't control the weather here. I can't press a
[2:47] Speaker 2: button and have us practice outside and drop the you know,
[2:50] Speaker 2: seventy five degrees it was seven degrees on the field.
[2:54] Speaker 2: I mean that is but the way less Sneid, like
[2:57] Speaker 2: Les Sneed has his hands in that the landman the
[3:00] Speaker 2: type got Durant tonight made huge plays. He was physicality,
[3:05] Speaker 2: the mindset that Kieran Williams how hard they're Blake Quorum,
[3:08] Speaker 2: who comes from that culture in Harbaugh in Michigan. You know,
[3:11] Speaker 2: Stafford's been doing this forever, right, DeVante Adam's been doing
[3:14] Speaker 2: this forever. Puka guy they've had now for how many years? Three?
[3:17] Speaker 2: Who just belongs in moments like that, you know the bears.
[3:21] Speaker 2: You develop callouses, you practice and live in that weather,
[3:24] Speaker 2: you become a little more comfortable in it. Caleb. The
[3:27] Speaker 2: difference of Caleb and Stafford is I mean his legs
[3:30] Speaker 2: are I mean he could take off. It looks like
[3:31] Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. We can get into Ben Johnson. I think
[3:34] Speaker 2: he doesn't utilize his legs enough. And you know, I
[3:38] Speaker 2: thought tonight that the toughness in the physicality of the Rams.
[3:41] Speaker 2: How about the hit They ended up turning it over
[3:43] Speaker 2: on downs and then they got the ball back because
[3:45] Speaker 2: McVeigh ended up hunting. I think it was like third
[3:48] Speaker 2: and two or third and goal and they tackled I
[3:51] Speaker 2: think it was DeAndre Swift and he got elevated. About
[3:53] Speaker 2: three guys hit him. Even my wife's like, holy mold.
[3:56] Speaker 2: I mean, it was just these The one thing you
[3:59] Speaker 2: would say now about the last fifteen years of the
[4:01] Speaker 2: good Rams teams Seattle, the good forty nine ers teams,
[4:05] Speaker 2: they build their teams to play environments like this because
[4:08] Speaker 2: of the value on toughness, physicality, serious guys. I didn't
[4:14] Speaker 2: know much about Landman, honestly, and I texted the one
[4:16] Speaker 2: I was like, was he that good in the pack?
[4:17] Speaker 2: I wasn't watching Colorado football when they were going one
[4:19] Speaker 2: and eleven. Yeah, most people weren't. And they're like, yeah,
[4:22] Speaker 2: he's one of the best players in the conference. Is
[4:23] Speaker 2: no one really paid attention? You watch him? How many
[4:25] Speaker 2: places does that guy make?
[4:27] Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, you know, it's really interesting tonight. So
[4:30] Speaker 1: you know, Caleb's got the picks, and so you would
[4:33] Speaker 1: look at the night and go Oh, what a bad
[4:35] Speaker 1: night for Caleb. But beyond that one throw he made,
[4:39] Speaker 1: descend it at overtime, which you know, outside of Josh Allen,
[4:42] Speaker 1: I can't think of any current player that could make
[4:43] Speaker 1: that throw. I mean, guys have the league, the league
[4:46] Speaker 1: far elway farv Allen. I mean, but Brady and Manning
[4:50] Speaker 1: aren't making that throw, and they're.
[4:52] Speaker 2: All rogers when he was younger.
[4:53] Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but it's really it's funny. I think Caleb
[4:58] Speaker 1: is so much better than three months ago. Like they
[5:02] Speaker 1: didn't run him a lot. He's much more comfortable in
[5:05] Speaker 1: the pocket. I think some of it is John. He
[5:07] Speaker 1: just doesn't he doesn't want to run. He likes delivering
[5:10] Speaker 1: in the pocket. I thought his receivers had multiple drops tonight.
[5:13] Speaker 1: I thought Dj Moore Collins pointed this out. Felt like
[5:17] Speaker 1: he he didn't know the route or didn't know it
[5:19] Speaker 1: was coming, or it was kind of a soft route.
[5:23] Speaker 1: On Kobe Durant's interception, it was you could tell Caleb
[5:27] Speaker 1: was bothered by it. I know everybody's gonna look at
[5:30] Speaker 1: this as a bad Caleb Knight, but I just I
[5:33] Speaker 1: think he's improved so much. I think you take I mean, listen,
[5:36] Speaker 1: here's the good news for the Bears, Dennis Allen had
[5:39] Speaker 1: a great last six quarters of defensive coordinator scheming. They
[5:44] Speaker 1: they do not have John, they don't have the Rams
[5:46] Speaker 1: defensive personnel now they they're healthier in the back end.
[5:49] Speaker 1: So Chicago's secondary does have some talent. Buyer has been
[5:52] Speaker 1: good for a long time. But that front seven Rams
[5:55] Speaker 1: is much better than the Bears, much more talented. And
[6:00] Speaker 1: I thought Stafford was uncomfortable for big portions of this game.
[6:04] Speaker 1: I thought they tackled well, I thought they were physical.
[6:08] Speaker 1: I just think the Rams played a cleaner football game. Penalties,
[6:13] Speaker 1: didn't have the turnovers, and you know, they had like
[6:16] Speaker 1: three really good drives, one in the first quarter, one
[6:19] Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and then one in overtime. I
[6:21] Speaker 1: mean that just basically they I mean, they were very
[6:25] Speaker 1: limited on what they could do.
[6:27] Speaker 2: I actually think in a weird way, they underutilized Caleb.
[6:30] Speaker 2: You know, his strength. He had a run earlier in
[6:33] Speaker 2: the game that when he hit the Jets, it went.
[6:37] Speaker 2: I don't know how many guys in the league are
[6:38] Speaker 2: faster than him. I mean it's probably like Lamar Jackson
[6:41] Speaker 2: and Kyler Murray and who even knows at this point
[6:43] Speaker 2: time both guys are banged up, and Ben Johnson I
[6:46] Speaker 2: think really struggles because he's such a I mean, he
[6:50] Speaker 2: runs more of an old school timing offense that he
[6:52] Speaker 2: doesn't have quarterback run plays in them. And when do
[6:54] Speaker 2: the Bears usually thrive when they let Caleb just kind
[6:57] Speaker 2: of cook and use his legs, talking always to run,
[7:01] Speaker 2: sometimes to run and throw, to scramble and throw. But
[7:05] Speaker 2: clearly Ben's offense, he's not calling those plays. You see
[7:08] Speaker 2: the short yardage plays to night which failed going right
[7:11] Speaker 2: up against land Man and verse. Why not run a
[7:14] Speaker 2: quarterback power for Caleb or at least get him on
[7:16] Speaker 2: the move. He's he's the best ad liber right now
[7:18] Speaker 2: in the league. He's what Lamar was a couple of
[7:20] Speaker 2: years ago. Get him and crazy things happen. But that's
[7:23] Speaker 2: not really how he wants to call plays. And I
[7:26] Speaker 2: think there's some give and take. And when do they
[7:27] Speaker 2: really thrive when they don't have a choice? Right, Yeah,
[7:30] Speaker 2: seventeen to ten, two minutes to goo Caleb save our season,
[7:33] Speaker 2: you know against the forty nine against whoever drive us
[7:36] Speaker 2: the field to win us the game. And then Ben's
[7:38] Speaker 2: play calls like Caleb can kind of throw him out
[7:40] Speaker 2: the window after a split second if he doesn't see
[7:43] Speaker 2: it and he takes off and he he either makes
[7:44] Speaker 2: plays run How many first downs a guy run for
[7:47] Speaker 2: this year, my guess would be like close to thirty,
[7:49] Speaker 2: you know, And that's not I think there's got to
[7:52] Speaker 2: be some give and take there. And I think Ben
[7:53] Speaker 2: would say for Caleb to be an elite player, the
[7:56] Speaker 2: accuracy does need to improve a little bit on some
[7:59] Speaker 2: of just the layup throws. Like Stafford when he has
[8:02] Speaker 2: time is hitting layups with his eyes closed right, because
[8:05] Speaker 2: the big plays, he's proven to do it immediately at
[8:08] Speaker 2: an all their thing.
[8:10] Speaker 1: Alf Roma Dunze has not been impactful in the second
[8:13] Speaker 1: half of the season. I mean, obviously Loveland's been huge.
[8:17] Speaker 1: Luther Burden tonight didn't do a ton I mean, listen,
[8:21] Speaker 1: so you look at the Bears average five point one
[8:24] Speaker 1: yards of play better than the Rams. The Bears nine
[8:27] Speaker 1: for nineteen on third down, better than the Rams. They
[8:31] Speaker 1: had seven minutes more time of possession. Again, they had
[8:35] Speaker 1: three picks, but the Bears only had three penalties. They
[8:38] Speaker 1: had more total plays. The Bears didn't allow a sack
[8:43] Speaker 1: while they had four. The Rams were forced to punt
[8:46] Speaker 1: eight times. Bears only three. I look at totally yards, Bears,
[8:50] Speaker 1: passing yards, Bears, rushing yards, Bears first down Bears, like
[8:55] Speaker 1: it's interesting. You look at Caleb and everybody's going to
[8:57] Speaker 1: point to the interceptions. But I thought, I mean, they
[9:00] Speaker 1: had some drops tonight, But I the Rams played a
[9:04] Speaker 1: cleaner game, and that they've done all the year. They've
[9:06] Speaker 1: been the least penalized team the last two years. They
[9:08] Speaker 1: just don't get penalized. It's not it's listen when people
[9:12] Speaker 1: get into this rig stuff. I always laugh because the
[9:14] Speaker 1: Devonte I was sitting there watching on the couch. I'm like,
[9:17] Speaker 1: you can't take that catch away from him. That's just
[9:19] Speaker 1: an insane play. But people are going to look and
[9:22] Speaker 1: say the Bears didn't play well. I thought Dennis Allen
[9:25] Speaker 1: had a great defensive game. I thought offensively, they made mistakes,
[9:29] Speaker 1: but they did a lot. They ran the ball at
[9:31] Speaker 1: various times. You know, it's time of possession that you know, again,
[9:37] Speaker 1: Chicago wins. I think people will probably dump on them.
[9:42] Speaker 1: They were two for three in the red zone like
[9:44] Speaker 1: the Rams were.
[9:46] Speaker 2: You know, I think the Bears they're two most impressive
[9:49] Speaker 2: games Colin. Obviously, they've had some great wins. I mean,
[9:52] Speaker 2: last week was incredible, but they've had these magical comebacks.
[9:55] Speaker 2: But in two of their losses against the Packers, the
[9:58] Speaker 2: first time in Lambeau and tonight, you came away going god,
[10:01] Speaker 2: I got a lot of respect for what's he doing.
[10:03] Speaker 2: I mean, they totally played winning football and one of
[10:05] Speaker 2: his interceptions came on fourth down, So it's like, what
[10:09] Speaker 2: are you supposed to do? I'd argue I would have
[10:11] Speaker 2: a rule if I owned a team, you are not
[10:13] Speaker 2: allowed to go for it in short yard a situation
[10:16] Speaker 2: when you can kick a field goal when the score
[10:18] Speaker 2: is zero zero, you know you have no clue how
[10:21] Speaker 2: these games are going to play out. I get you
[10:22] Speaker 2: come from Dan Campbell, but when you were with Dan,
[10:25] Speaker 2: the majority of your games were indoors. It's frigid conditions.
[10:29] Speaker 2: Even with this ram scoring offense. What it's seven degrees
[10:33] Speaker 2: and you got a quarterback who's thirty eight years old
[10:35] Speaker 2: with six kids, who's battling injuries. You think they're going
[10:38] Speaker 2: to score thirty points in that weather. I mean, they
[10:41] Speaker 2: looked like he was a lumberjack in Alaska to night.
[10:44] Speaker 2: When have you ever seen him? He's I mean that
[10:46] Speaker 2: they are the advantage you have with the weather, the
[10:49] Speaker 2: game is not gonna be some thirty five to thirty seven.
[10:52] Speaker 2: Never plays out that way in these games, you know sh.
[10:55] Speaker 1: I'll tell you who really deserves credit, Puka Nakua and
[10:57] Speaker 1: Kyron Williams. Those guys have strong hands. The Bears are
[11:02] Speaker 1: great at stripping the ball. The Rams didn't have a fumble.
[11:05] Speaker 1: Kyraen Williams had multiple guys clinging and trying to strip
[11:10] Speaker 1: the ball, never fumbled. I mean we watched New England
[11:12] Speaker 1: Houston today. I mean that thing was a fumble fest,
[11:15] Speaker 1: eight turnovers at one point. The Rams Pooka. They multiple
[11:19] Speaker 1: times Pooka had guys on him trying to strip it.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Same with Kyraen Williams. No fumbles. So I mean again,
[11:26] Speaker 1: this is a This Rams team is really well schooled.
[11:29] Speaker 1: I would imagine on an extra overtime Seahawks an extra day,
[11:35] Speaker 1: plus the Seahawks are at home, Seattle's probably gonna be
[11:38] Speaker 1: favored by what about a two points in that game.
[11:40] Speaker 2: Maybe Seattle number might be like three, three and a half.
[11:44] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't gotta tell you, I have looked
[11:47] Speaker 2: pretty shaky over the course of the second half.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Of the season, and Seahawks big special teams advantage. Although
[11:54] Speaker 1: when that kicker for the Rams was getting ready for
[11:57] Speaker 1: that kick, I was it was coin flip to me.
[11:59] Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't no, I don't have any.
[12:01] Speaker 2: I coulda saw a block touchdown the other way. I
[12:03] Speaker 2: thought that was exactly absolutely Even Collins were said when
[12:08] Speaker 2: they punted, you know, I thought McVeigh and I get it,
[12:11] Speaker 2: you're you're in a tough spots, easy to judge from
[12:13] Speaker 2: the couch, but they're getting a time out because of
[12:16] Speaker 2: the two minute warning. It was third and eight and
[12:19] Speaker 2: he chose to run it. I thought you could have
[12:21] Speaker 2: passed it there. I mean, your two best, two of
[12:23] Speaker 2: the best players in the league are Puka Nakua and DeVante.
[12:26] Speaker 2: You got the MVP playing quarterback. You're a great play caller.
[12:30] Speaker 2: I thought he could have got aggressive there and he didn't,
[12:32] Speaker 2: and then he punts and Collins worth like they were
[12:34] Speaker 2: clearly rattled from last week because all ten guys, they
[12:36] Speaker 2: didn't even run anyone down there to cover. So you
[12:39] Speaker 2: start dictating the way you call some of your plays
[12:42] Speaker 2: on special teams based on you're scared that listen, I
[12:45] Speaker 2: think it's easy to bag on a special team's coach,
[12:47] Speaker 2: Typically those are your backups. Clearly they're not as deep
[12:50] Speaker 2: as some of these other teams. Their starters are good.
[12:53] Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I thought McVeigh was clearly pretty rattled
[12:58] Speaker 2: on that special team's moment. That's why I would played
[13:00] Speaker 2: to avoid the punt and go for the first. I
[13:02] Speaker 2: was a little Sean McVay loves the pass. I was
[13:04] Speaker 2: surprised that he ran it there, and I mean the
[13:06] Speaker 2: Bear's got the ball at the fifty yard line.
[13:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's when I look at the Bears season, one
[13:18] Speaker 1: of the things that really jumps out to me is
[13:21] Speaker 1: how much everything improved. Even when they were winning, they
[13:25] Speaker 1: were beating bad teams barely. If you go look at
[13:28] Speaker 1: the last six weeks, I mean, John, they had you
[13:31] Speaker 1: know they were in this game. I mean, if you
[13:33] Speaker 1: didn't know the records, you didn't know anything, and just
[13:36] Speaker 1: watch this game, your takeaway would be Chicago's everybodit as
[13:39] Speaker 1: good as the Rams. But you know the Rams come
[13:41] Speaker 1: in as a four and a half point favorite, don't cover,
[13:44] Speaker 1: but win, and you know your takeaway is the Rams
[13:47] Speaker 1: were more efficient. They're a cleaner team with an older quarterback,
[13:51] Speaker 1: made fewer mistakes. They just don't fumble it out three interceptions,
[13:53] Speaker 1: I don't get penalized. They again, I don't remember a
[13:56] Speaker 1: drop pass they may have. I don't remember a drop
[13:58] Speaker 1: pass Bears had three or four or five. But and
[14:02] Speaker 1: for the record, that's why the Rams beat the Seahawks
[14:05] Speaker 1: in one of their meetings. They played a cleaner game
[14:07] Speaker 1: than Seattle. So I think one of the big developments
[14:10] Speaker 1: over the course of the weekend no bow Nicks, you
[14:13] Speaker 1: know that's you start looking at Seattle right now and
[14:15] Speaker 1: it's like Seattles could, I mean, I could I make
[14:19] Speaker 1: this argument this is the last team with a chance
[14:22] Speaker 1: to beat Seattle. Drake may neutral site that Seahawks defense
[14:27] Speaker 1: if he got past him, because I think New England,
[14:30] Speaker 1: you know, is gonna be favored over Denver. La is
[14:34] Speaker 1: LA special teams worrying me.
[14:36] Speaker 2: But again, I think you're looking at the winner of
[14:39] Speaker 2: the NFC championship game is a favorite of the Super Bowl.
[14:42] Speaker 1: Absolutely, and they should be absolutely should be.
[14:48] Speaker 2: Man their game their games for theater. This year, I
[14:54] Speaker 2: was on my my podcast text Chain, I said, I
[14:57] Speaker 2: think I've watched more Bears football this year than I
[14:59] Speaker 2: have in the last fifteen years total. I mean, I
[15:02] Speaker 2: feel of the how many games they play seventeen and
[15:05] Speaker 2: then a couple of playoff games, So you're talking nineteen games.
[15:08] Speaker 2: I feel like I watched sixteen plus start to finish. John,
[15:11] Speaker 2: Their games have been riveting. I mean the last stretch
[15:15] Speaker 2: of the season. That's his entertaining, which is cool, Like
[15:18] Speaker 2: as a lover of this sport, someone that does this
[15:21] Speaker 2: for a living, like see a big city get revitalized,
[15:24] Speaker 2: see this brand matter. I was someone that questioned Caleb.
[15:28] Speaker 2: Obviously his physical attributes never wore a question. Just how
[15:32] Speaker 2: he would mix his playmaking is just even people that
[15:37] Speaker 2: loved him the most would not imagine. I mean, he's
[15:39] Speaker 2: looking like Farvard lway down the stretch of these games
[15:43] Speaker 2: in the freezing cold, right. I Mean the guy played
[15:45] Speaker 2: in sc and Oklahoma, and I know he's played in
[15:48] Speaker 2: DC in high school. But this is a little different
[15:51] Speaker 2: animal here. Yeah.
[15:52] Speaker 1: I mean the good news for the Bears this draft,
[15:55] Speaker 1: you know, John, they don't need a single offensive player.
[15:57] Speaker 1: They have their tackles, the interior line, they have two backs,
[16:01] Speaker 1: they have two tight ends, they have three receivers. I
[16:04] Speaker 1: mean they could take every draft pick. You see this
[16:06] Speaker 1: from time to time and just go, hey, defensive end.
[16:09] Speaker 1: Let's get a younger safety, corner, edge rusher. I mean,
[16:12] Speaker 1: this is a big edge draft. They need an edge rusher.
[16:15] Speaker 1: So you can tell what Chicago's going to do in
[16:17] Speaker 1: this drafty he Ben Johnson came in, solidified the interior.
[16:21] Speaker 1: OH line goes out and get Luther Burden, Colston Lovelin,
[16:25] Speaker 1: like we're gonna have a powerhouse offense. I'm going to
[16:27] Speaker 1: get my side of the ball. The Bears next year
[16:30] Speaker 1: are going to draft five defensive players, a lot of them.
[16:33] Speaker 1: To me in the box, they're going nowhere. I mean,
[16:38] Speaker 1: and the other thing we've said, Caleb doesn't throw a
[16:41] Speaker 1: lot of picks. He had him tonight. Again, it should
[16:44] Speaker 1: be noted roma Dunze dropped the touchdown ball on that
[16:47] Speaker 1: Bears first drive. So I mean, they're they're you know
[16:50] Speaker 1: this this this was not a game and where I
[16:52] Speaker 1: didn't think the Bears receivers had as good a game
[16:55] Speaker 1: as you know, a DeVante a Puka. The tight ends
[16:59] Speaker 1: for the Rams are so good they use all of them.
[17:01] Speaker 1: They're really really good. But I mean, Gardner Johnson knocked
[17:05] Speaker 1: that ball away from Terrence Ferguson that forced the field goal.
[17:09] Speaker 1: That's another great play by the Bears defensive backs to night.
[17:12] Speaker 1: Great game.
[17:14] Speaker 2: I don't remember their dbs were really good tonight.
[17:16] Speaker 1: I mean excellent, healthy, too healthier.
[17:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just making plays on the ball. They
[17:21] Speaker 2: were tackling well in the open field. I actually think
[17:23] Speaker 2: they could. Obviously, Lovelin and Burden were two of his
[17:27] Speaker 2: first two draft picks, so those guys are going nowhere.
[17:30] Speaker 2: I think you could pick between Roma Dunze, who was
[17:33] Speaker 2: just a top ten pick couple years ago. DJ Moore,
[17:36] Speaker 2: who kind of had a weird year but he's has
[17:38] Speaker 2: a long resume of being a really good player, and
[17:40] Speaker 2: Cole Comet and take one of those players and use
[17:45] Speaker 2: it to get either draft capital. Maybe use it and
[17:47] Speaker 2: your first round pick to trade up in the draft
[17:49] Speaker 2: because they kind of have you don't need them all
[17:52] Speaker 2: and they're definitely As this goes on, they're going to
[17:54] Speaker 2: feature Lovelin and Luther Burden Moore. So to me, it's
[17:57] Speaker 2: almost between DJ Moore and Rome, which one do you
[17:59] Speaker 2: want to keep? You know, Rome's technically cheaper, but Rome
[18:03] Speaker 2: might have more value to some teams and just had
[18:05] Speaker 2: them rated really high. Cole Comet is a really solid
[18:07] Speaker 2: tight end. You might just why would you not just
[18:10] Speaker 2: keep him around. He's a virtuaal player. I think you
[18:12] Speaker 2: could take one of those two wide receivers and utilize
[18:16] Speaker 2: that to help get defensive help, because they probably have
[18:19] Speaker 2: an abundance of riches. But they're not, like you said,
[18:22] Speaker 2: Puka DeVante is better than those guys. I mean, right,
[18:25] Speaker 2: DeVante's a Hall of Famer and Puka is on a
[18:27] Speaker 2: track to go there. I mean they're just a little
[18:29] Speaker 2: higher level version of kind of their group.
[18:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, let's say this, this is Ben
[18:35] Speaker 1: Johnson's first year and Caleb's second year, and Stafford's been
[18:38] Speaker 1: around forever, and Sean mcvaz a veteran. And to go
[18:41] Speaker 1: on the road in the opposite of the weather you're
[18:45] Speaker 1: comfortable in and play that clean a football game, that's
[18:49] Speaker 1: really impressive. I mean it really is. To you know,
[18:53] Speaker 1: no drops, no penalties, not turning the ball over. I
[18:57] Speaker 1: know I've said that multiple times. That's really hard to do.
[19:01] Speaker 1: Go back and look at the box score on the
[19:04] Speaker 1: Texans Patriots, and those are again well coached teams. It
[19:07] Speaker 1: was a mess. You can't feel your hands. At halftime,
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[19:12] Speaker 1: it wasn't halftime because I hadn't been outside for several hours.
[19:15] Speaker 1: I just went outside for two minutes and I'm like,
[19:18] Speaker 1: oh my god, it was windy. I'm like, this is
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[21:04] Speaker 1: we've talked about Bears and Rams. Let's get to New England.
[21:08] Speaker 1: Twenty eight Houston sixteen, New England forcing five turnovers in
[21:13] Speaker 1: the win. You know, I picked New England to be
[21:19] Speaker 1: my double yr win total team, and as a wildcard team,
[21:22] Speaker 1: I picked Seattle to be my surprise playoff team. So
[21:27] Speaker 1: I thought, I thought Seattle had a chance to be special,
[21:30] Speaker 1: not maybe this good, but New England. I did pick
[21:31] Speaker 1: as a playoff team, a double your win total. And
[21:34] Speaker 1: my takeaway was I don't think people understand when you
[21:38] Speaker 1: go from a coach who's really not a coach to
[21:40] Speaker 1: Mike Frabel and Josh McDaniel. My take is that's three wins. Well,
[21:44] Speaker 1: they also had a great draft. They also are very
[21:47] Speaker 1: good at player development. I mean, if you look at
[21:50] Speaker 1: a play like a Keisham Boudet, who just has become
[21:53] Speaker 1: a better player under this staff. So you get a
[21:55] Speaker 1: really great draft the development of like Budet and Drake May,
[22:01] Speaker 1: and you spent two hundred and fifty MILI plus, plus
[22:03] Speaker 1: you have the best coordinator in the league. Josh McDaniels
[22:06] Speaker 1: and a head coach. You know, I picked him to
[22:08] Speaker 1: win ten games, and I take away everybody was like, well,
[22:11] Speaker 1: I looked at their roster today. It reminds me of
[22:14] Speaker 1: the old Belichick rosters, except the quarterbacks mobile. You just
[22:18] Speaker 1: have the same owner, Vrabels, a more current, more player
[22:22] Speaker 1: friendly version of Belichick high IQ, same coordinator and may
[22:26] Speaker 1: as Tom but more move He moves more. He had
[22:29] Speaker 1: twenty seven first downs running this year. But when I
[22:32] Speaker 1: look at their team, there's no real hole. I don't
[22:36] Speaker 1: know where New England's great. I think their receivers are undervalued.
[22:39] Speaker 1: I think they're a little better at receiver than people think.
[22:41] Speaker 1: They have two capable running backs. Hunter Henry's good, solid.
[22:44] Speaker 1: But my take on New England is in Seattle as
[22:48] Speaker 1: a little bit of this John. There's no hole where
[22:52] Speaker 1: do you now? Will Anderson eats Will Campbell for lunch? Okay,
[22:56] Speaker 1: he's a rookie left tackle. I'm not sure he's one
[22:58] Speaker 1: hundred percent. That was a mismaan. Will Anderson is getting
[23:01] Speaker 1: to a point now. Maybe he's not Miles Garrett, but
[23:03] Speaker 1: he is. He's the second best edge rusher in the
[23:06] Speaker 1: last seven eight years. I mean, it's like he looks
[23:09] Speaker 1: pretty good. He's just a blockable, long instinctive. But I
[23:15] Speaker 1: just think New England's talent is better than people understand.
[23:19] Speaker 1: They spend a lot of money in free agency, not
[23:21] Speaker 1: a lot of flashy stuff. Gonzalez is an elite corner.
[23:25] Speaker 1: They get really solid pressure ball hawking corners. I think
[23:29] Speaker 1: the Patriots talents better than people think.
[23:32] Speaker 2: Remember I think Belichick's last year defensively, they weren't terrible.
[23:36] Speaker 2: They were actually pretty good. And remember Belichick took some
[23:38] Speaker 2: shots at Gerard Mayo when he was in the media,
[23:40] Speaker 2: going like our defense was not their offense was horrendous.
[23:44] Speaker 2: The Patricia, the Jacoby mac Jones situation, Zappi. Defensively, they've
[23:50] Speaker 2: had pieces, even when Belichick handed the thing to Girard
[23:53] Speaker 2: and now to Vrabel. One note I wrote down is
[23:56] Speaker 2: there's a grit and toughness that reminded me of the
[24:00] Speaker 2: Atriot teams of the twenty year Dynasty, just the way
[24:02] Speaker 2: it looked unfazed by anything that happened. I mean, they
[24:06] Speaker 2: fumble unfaced, a crazy play by Willi Anderson, an offensive
[24:11] Speaker 2: lineman getting smoked unfaced, a touchdown that they score a
[24:14] Speaker 2: big unfaced. It's a very kind of old school mentality
[24:19] Speaker 2: they have, and to me, for ay Bole has clearly instilled.
[24:23] Speaker 2: I mean I was texting with someone that played for
[24:26] Speaker 2: Belichick with Brady in the two thousands, and he said,
[24:30] Speaker 2: it is so hard in those games to feel your hands,
[24:34] Speaker 2: how cold it is. And I think that directly impacts CJ. Shroud.
[24:37] Speaker 2: I know he played at Ohio State, but they don't
[24:40] Speaker 2: play in December and January. In college.
[24:42] Speaker 1: You could tell John. You could tell both quarterbacks with
[24:44] Speaker 1: the fumble issues they couldn't feel their hands.
[24:47] Speaker 2: Say with the running backs, it was I mean there
[24:49] Speaker 2: was at one point early in the third quarter there
[24:51] Speaker 2: were eight turnovers. I text a couple people, is this
[24:53] Speaker 2: a good game or a bad game? Because I'm entertained,
[24:55] Speaker 2: But I don't know. But I think there's an element
[24:58] Speaker 2: of the cold and just how difficult is to play. Honestly,
[25:02] Speaker 2: I'm watching this game like incredible. How good Tom was
[25:05] Speaker 2: in these elements for all those years. I mean, the accuracy,
[25:08] Speaker 2: the control of the ball, It's their whole team. I mean,
[25:11] Speaker 2: Belichick had that thing master to dominate in those environments. Well,
[25:15] Speaker 2: Rabel's inn Ohio guy played for a decade there kind
[25:18] Speaker 2: of likes vrable to me, feels much more cold sleep
[25:22] Speaker 2: that he does Nashville on Broadway, you know, So, I mean,
[25:26] Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, they're very, very lucky. You know, a lot
[25:30] Speaker 2: of teams. Look look at Robert Solis, probably gonna get
[25:32] Speaker 2: a job. Kyle Shanahan would give him a ten year,
[25:34] Speaker 2: fifty million dollars contract right now to be as defensive coordinator.
[25:37] Speaker 2: Josh Stamers is not going to get a head coaching
[25:39] Speaker 2: job because of how bad his second tier. So there's
[25:42] Speaker 2: going to have this offensive coordinator who's elite at his job.
[25:45] Speaker 2: Who I mentioned this, I need to do the study.
[25:47] Speaker 2: I mean, it's really just a math equation. How many
[25:49] Speaker 2: games is Josh McDaniels coach as an offensive coordinator as
[25:52] Speaker 2: the in playoff games? Fifty? I mean, think how many
[25:55] Speaker 2: big games he's game planned for, practiced for, adjusted for
[25:59] Speaker 2: in the middle of the game. He's been in that
[26:00] Speaker 2: exact role for decades. And I mean he was the
[26:04] Speaker 2: offensive coordinator when Mac Jones made the playoffs. Like this
[26:06] Speaker 2: guy is that he has to be one of the
[26:09] Speaker 2: more senior or in terms of experience, corodinator in the
[26:13] Speaker 2: history of the NFL.
[26:14] Speaker 1: And he hasn't had to switch. He got middle aged Tom,
[26:17] Speaker 1: old Tom young, Mac Jones, young, Drake May, all kind
[26:21] Speaker 1: of the same prototype. You know, obviously Drake's the best
[26:24] Speaker 1: athlete in terms of mobility, but all pocket guys, all
[26:28] Speaker 1: pocket guys who just like who don't like stuff at
[26:30] Speaker 1: their feet, who like a little protection, who think pretty
[26:33] Speaker 1: quick get rid of the ball accurately. Brady mack So
[26:37] Speaker 1: it's as he has an offense, he has an ecosystem
[26:40] Speaker 1: the way he does it, and they've all kind of
[26:41] Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have to change rapidly. Yeah, I
[26:45] Speaker 1: mean if you're not giving him hyper athletic guy, because
[26:47] Speaker 1: Drake May runs for first down, but you can see
[26:49] Speaker 1: he wants to sit in the pocket.
[26:51] Speaker 2: And you know the.
[26:55] Speaker 1: Other thing that jumped out to me in this game,
[26:58] Speaker 1: New England beating Houston is Will Anderson's up for an extension.
[27:01] Speaker 1: He's getting it. You pay him whatever you have to
[27:04] Speaker 1: pay him. He is right now next to Miles Garrett,
[27:06] Speaker 1: Max Crosby's up there. C J. Stroud is going to
[27:10] Speaker 1: be very interesting because we've seen over the last couple
[27:13] Speaker 1: of weeks, boy, he has regressed. Now is it coaching?
[27:16] Speaker 1: You and I both feel strongly about this when it
[27:19] Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks, and CJ is still kind of in
[27:21] Speaker 1: that Herbert Younger. Quarterback coaching matters a lot like and
[27:25] Speaker 1: by the way, it mattered for I mean Aaron Rodgers
[27:29] Speaker 1: much better this year with Arthur Smith than he was
[27:31] Speaker 1: with the Mess in New York. So c J. Stroud,
[27:36] Speaker 1: he'll get an extension, right, I mean it's it's.
[27:39] Speaker 2: I could not this offseason give him an extension.
[27:41] Speaker 1: Okay, so you wait to the other season. Okay.
[27:43] Speaker 2: To me, Will Anderson, you treat him like Micah Parsons.
[27:46] Speaker 2: You know, Aiden Hutchinson. What do you want, big guy,
[27:49] Speaker 2: here's the number. It's huge. You're going to be c J. Stroud,
[27:53] Speaker 2: I mean part of winning in that conference. I know
[27:57] Speaker 2: he played his year at Ohio State, but he's from
[28:00] Speaker 2: southern California and now he plays in a dome and
[28:03] Speaker 2: that feel today and again texting this guy that had
[28:05] Speaker 2: played there is like, he's like, you can't feel your hands.
[28:08] Speaker 2: So he's a touch passer. You know, a lot of
[28:11] Speaker 2: people compt him coming out of college. To Jared Goff, yes,
[28:14] Speaker 2: he was struggled in cold weather majority of his career.
[28:17] Speaker 2: He's clearly gotten a little bit better as he's gotten older,
[28:19] Speaker 2: maybe just a little more comfortable now he plays in
[28:21] Speaker 2: the NFC North, playing in more cold weather places. Like
[28:25] Speaker 2: he's a touch passer. Even on the touchdown he threw
[28:27] Speaker 2: to Kirk, Kirk had to make a great play and
[28:30] Speaker 2: box the guy out. His touch is a it doesn't
[28:32] Speaker 2: really work. And then you know these last couple of
[28:35] Speaker 2: weeks in the cold weather struggled touching the You gotta
[28:39] Speaker 2: play cold weather teams in the AFC. It's unavoidable unless
[28:42] Speaker 2: you're the number one seed every year. And to me,
[28:45] Speaker 2: they're clearly there's a little I mean, they didn't even
[28:46] Speaker 2: win their own division this year, so they're a well
[28:49] Speaker 2: run team. I think Casario's a stud. Mass They have
[28:53] Speaker 2: the Commander's second round pick, so they have their own
[28:56] Speaker 2: first round pick, and they got two two's offensive line off, Yes,
[29:00] Speaker 2: offensive line. So but we've seen you just talked about
[29:04] Speaker 2: quarterback thing. We have seen some bad quarterback contracts that
[29:08] Speaker 2: you didn't need to pay Cathera. Murray, you didn't need
[29:09] Speaker 2: to pay to it. Just take another year. CJ. Hey,
[29:12] Speaker 2: you're the number two overall pick. You're making millions of dollars.
[29:15] Speaker 2: It's not you're not Rock Purty payscale here, but you
[29:19] Speaker 2: just had I mean, how many turnofs this guy hap
[29:20] Speaker 2: in the last two weeks twenty I mean it was today.
[29:22] Speaker 2: It was outrageous, and I just you can't pay because
[29:26] Speaker 2: the going rate the minimum, like Sam Dartle's the minimum,
[29:30] Speaker 2: and that starts at one hundred and guys like CJ.
[29:31] Speaker 2: Stroud hang up on that. So they started like one
[29:33] Speaker 2: p fifty one sixty. You can't. I think he's playing
[29:38] Speaker 2: out next year. And that doesn't mean I like him.
[29:40] Speaker 2: I'm a fansy, high character guy, works hard, loves football,
[29:45] Speaker 2: but he's a touch passer that if I got to
[29:47] Speaker 2: go on the road Kansas City, Denver, New England, you
[29:50] Speaker 2: know Baltimore ain't gonna be down long, so it's I
[29:54] Speaker 2: gotta have a Kansas City. I mean, they'll they'll be back.
[29:57] Speaker 2: You gotta play well November December outside in the cold
[30:00] Speaker 2: weather and today because I talked to someone last week
[30:03] Speaker 2: that said his bad plays were atrocious, but he made
[30:06] Speaker 2: some good plays in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's just not that good
[30:08] Speaker 2: of a team, right, They're just they're not. New England
[30:11] Speaker 2: was a different level, and it felt he would I mean,
[30:14] Speaker 2: how often do you see former players. They go to
[30:17] Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey's like, I think you got a bench him
[30:19] Speaker 2: at half?
[30:19] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[30:19] Speaker 2: Pretty rare you and I I have no problem saying that,
[30:22] Speaker 2: but it's pretty rare for a guy like Kelsey. And
[30:24] Speaker 2: they weren't wrong. And Demico former player, probably thought like, Hey,
[30:28] Speaker 2: he's gonna be my starting quarterback next year. I can't
[30:30] Speaker 2: create a controversy going the offseason, which I don't disagree.
[30:33] Speaker 2: I understand where he's coming from, but you could have
[30:36] Speaker 2: justified benching him because this is in the NBA. Can't
[30:38] Speaker 2: demand a trade and get trade. That's not the way
[30:40] Speaker 2: it works. So I'm sure they had a conversation right
[30:43] Speaker 2: him and the OC like Davis Mills ready because this
[30:47] Speaker 2: is not going to work. And if you're thinking about
[30:49] Speaker 2: benching a guy at half, you can't then give him
[30:51] Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollars. I mean, Colin, you
[30:53] Speaker 2: would do it potentially like a month. I mean, this
[30:55] Speaker 2: is the lot of guys get extension late February, early March.
[30:58] Speaker 2: So that's a noe for me. And it's not because
[31:00] Speaker 2: I don't like him, but he sent a five year
[31:03] Speaker 2: contract right pick up a fifth year option and then
[31:05] Speaker 2: go from there.
[31:06] Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Denver and overtime thirty three
[31:09] Speaker 1: to thirty over Buffalo. You know what, John, Like everybody
[31:13] Speaker 1: in America, I have watched every replay, and I will
[31:18] Speaker 1: say I think in most instances, when fans you know
[31:23] Speaker 1: it's rigged. If you're going to rig this thing, you'd
[31:25] Speaker 1: rig it for Josh Allen and the Bills, Bo Nixon,
[31:28] Speaker 1: the Super Bowls not moving a number. But I will
[31:31] Speaker 1: say I talked to a GM today and I looked
[31:35] Speaker 1: at several Let me put it this way, slow motion
[31:39] Speaker 1: usually creates clarity. I would argue this is one of
[31:43] Speaker 1: the rare instances slow motion created confusion because slow motion
[31:48] Speaker 1: makes it look like it's more of a catch by
[31:51] Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks than it is that in fast motion. When
[31:54] Speaker 1: I watched it about thirty times after talking to a GM,
[31:58] Speaker 1: the GM who is no, by the way, fan of Denver,
[32:00] Speaker 1: and I'll just leave it at that. Said, in the end,
[32:03] Speaker 1: if you look at it at real speed, the ball's
[32:06] Speaker 1: bouncing when he hits the ground, and that's not an
[32:08] Speaker 1: official cash though. Then it's whoever wins the wrestling match,
[32:11] Speaker 1: and Denver won the wrestling match. So I thought slow
[32:14] Speaker 1: mo is I'm watching it in slow mo. It actually,
[32:17] Speaker 1: in hindsight did it a disk service because it makes
[32:19] Speaker 1: it look like cochit is more in possession. That was
[32:22] Speaker 1: my take. Anyway, they got it right, but I've never
[32:25] Speaker 1: seen anything like that, so I didn't know for about
[32:28] Speaker 1: a day how to compute it.
[32:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the catch has become such
[32:32] Speaker 2: a convoluted situation in the NFL, Like why do we
[32:34] Speaker 2: have to make this so confusing? And by the letter
[32:37] Speaker 2: of the law, they got it right. I think you
[32:39] Speaker 2: could argue was he officially touched and then he ran
[32:42] Speaker 2: out of bounds and dropped the ball? Some people are
[32:44] Speaker 2: saying it should have been a Safety Bills win, But yeah,
[32:47] Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean, I just think that we've
[32:50] Speaker 2: got to this point with instant replay, which does benefit us,
[32:54] Speaker 2: right because we can get things right. But also, like
[32:56] Speaker 2: I do feel for Sean McDermott. If you watched his
[32:59] Speaker 2: long time of you know, he went on this, I
[33:02] Speaker 2: wouldn't even call it a rant because he was very
[33:04] Speaker 2: under control and he said, listen, if I take a
[33:06] Speaker 2: step back objectively, can we just try to get it right?
[33:09] Speaker 2: And it felt very rushed. Now I think you know,
[33:13] Speaker 2: being in that spot in the first place, all the
[33:15] Speaker 2: turnovers right, obviously, the way the half ended for Buffalo,
[33:21] Speaker 2: there's a lot to even get to that point that
[33:24] Speaker 2: was avoidable. And I also think it's a reflection of
[33:27] Speaker 2: when the season's on the line. He's throwing a jump
[33:30] Speaker 2: ball to a very old I mean for NFL standards,
[33:34] Speaker 2: an older player who is not a jump ball player.
[33:38] Speaker 2: I mean, he's made some such place for him and
[33:39] Speaker 2: he honestly he has a couple. He made a great
[33:41] Speaker 2: catch to win out of bounds. But kind of a
[33:43] Speaker 2: reflection of their personnel, isn't that you and I talk
[33:45] Speaker 2: about a lot.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon Cooks has always been like a number two
[33:49] Speaker 1: or three. He's a speed guy. You run him up,
[33:51] Speaker 1: you run him deep. Yeah. I mean this has been
[33:53] Speaker 1: my knock is that they have three elite players all
[33:56] Speaker 1: on offense. You know, and by the way, Josh Allen's
[33:59] Speaker 1: best team James cook led running backs and fumbles, that's
[34:02] Speaker 1: his best teammate. They have a slot receiver, a good
[34:05] Speaker 1: left tackle Josh Allen, and a fumble prone running back
[34:08] Speaker 1: who's got jets. That's not great, you know. So my
[34:12] Speaker 1: takeaway is it's really not a good enough roster, so
[34:16] Speaker 1: you are left to I mean, they had three active guys.
[34:18] Speaker 1: You're left to throwing up a jump ball to a
[34:20] Speaker 1: speed guy, not a big receiver. Brandon Cooks is a smaller,
[34:24] Speaker 1: smaller speed guy without a huge catching radius. So you know,
[34:30] Speaker 1: I mean my question if you're gonna run McDermott out
[34:32] Speaker 1: of the building. And I think he's a BB plus coach.
[34:34] Speaker 1: I feel like this' ohas something last year they couldn't
[34:37] Speaker 1: get the tush push right. This year it's multiple turnovers.
[34:40] Speaker 1: The year before, you know, three years ago or whatever
[34:42] Speaker 1: it was, it was the thirteen second loss. You know,
[34:45] Speaker 1: years and years and years ago, it was wide right.
[34:47] Speaker 1: It's always something for Buffalo. But I do feel like
[34:50] Speaker 1: there are certain teams. We watched the Indiana Hoosiers. While
[34:54] Speaker 1: they're tight, the Belichick dynasty really tight. I just feel
[34:59] Speaker 1: usually comes on the offensive side. John Buffalo is a
[35:02] Speaker 1: little loose. They've missed on a lot of picks. They
[35:05] Speaker 1: have too many turnovers. I thought Josh was very reckless.
[35:08] Speaker 1: Can't you coach some of that out of him? By
[35:10] Speaker 1: the way, another defensive coach, Demiko Ryans, who I think
[35:13] Speaker 1: fondly of C J. Stroud, way too loose. You know,
[35:18] Speaker 1: sometimes I look at these defensive coaches and they're so
[35:21] Speaker 1: good on the defensive side elevating and developing that the
[35:25] Speaker 1: offense just doesn't feel like it's buttoned up. And that's
[35:27] Speaker 1: Buffalo again.
[35:29] Speaker 2: I do think when it comes to Josh in the
[35:30] Speaker 2: reckless nature, I mean, that's probably the worst playoff game
[35:32] Speaker 2: he's ever had. I mean statistically right, you know, I
[35:35] Speaker 2: think there's a farveing quality. I don't think you coached
[35:38] Speaker 2: that out. I mean he had Mike Holmger and Andy Reid,
[35:40] Speaker 2: John Gruden, Steve Mariucci and you know, in the prime
[35:42] Speaker 2: of his career, and he drove them all nuts. Sean
[35:45] Speaker 2: McDermott on an individual play basis, like the end of half.
[35:49] Speaker 2: He's not the offensive coordinator, but that's how you come
[35:52] Speaker 2: on the headset. We're kneeling it, Tony Romo. You know,
[35:54] Speaker 2: the best point of the day was like you could
[35:56] Speaker 2: not it's not worth the risk there when you don't
[35:58] Speaker 2: have any timeouts. And then Josh, you know, carries the
[36:00] Speaker 2: ball like Shady McCoy and the ball hits the ground.
[36:03] Speaker 2: But like on the aggregate of his career, they've been
[36:07] Speaker 2: really successful right up until yesterday they were eight no
[36:10] Speaker 2: to non Mahomes Joe Burrow teams. So they had won
[36:13] Speaker 2: a lot of playoff games. Look at how many playoff
[36:15] Speaker 2: games he's won relative to like Harrball and Tomlin. I mean,
[36:18] Speaker 2: Harball has got a hundred million dollars. If Tomlin chose
[36:22] Speaker 2: to coach, he'd probably get a hundred million dollars right now.
[36:24] Speaker 2: And Sean McDermott, I think, would say, well, we're all
[36:27] Speaker 2: defensive CEO types. I actually think the GM, and you
[36:31] Speaker 2: look around the league, all these gms survived, Joe Shane,
[36:34] Speaker 2: the guy in Arizona, the guy in Cleveland. I think
[36:37] Speaker 2: the GM relative to having this court, Howie Roseman, you
[36:40] Speaker 2: would rather get thrown off the Walt Whitman than be
[36:44] Speaker 2: to not be aggressive when he had Josh Allen as
[36:45] Speaker 2: his quarterback, and I think if you look at him
[36:48] Speaker 2: a little Farviyan Ted Thompson or not Rogers. I mean,
[36:52] Speaker 2: remember it was like god, Ted be aggressive here. You
[36:55] Speaker 2: got this guy in the peak of it, and they
[36:57] Speaker 2: weren't smaller market. Now they have an owner, but he
[37:00] Speaker 2: doesn't feel that aggressive at least from sitting here three
[37:03] Speaker 2: thousand miles away, like some of these owners I think
[37:05] Speaker 2: the GM has been dramatically worse than Sean McDermott. Now
[37:09] Speaker 2: we feel Sean McDermott more on game day than we
[37:12] Speaker 2: do the GM, just because on an visual play basis.
[37:15] Speaker 2: But I think the GM, relative to having this all
[37:18] Speaker 2: time great quarterback has been really bad. I mean Kethon Coleman.
[37:21] Speaker 2: He had a touchdown yesterday but was inactive most of
[37:23] Speaker 2: the season. So it's like, how many impact one thing?
[37:27] Speaker 2: How did the forty nine ers keep it going all
[37:29] Speaker 2: these years? They hit on a lot of like mid
[37:30] Speaker 2: round guys to become him, Like where are those guys
[37:32] Speaker 2: in Buffalo? You know Shakier's been on the team a
[37:34] Speaker 2: long time now It's like, you know, Cook was a
[37:37] Speaker 2: second round pick. Where are your big impact guys and
[37:40] Speaker 2: they where are your aggressive moves? Like why when how
[37:44] Speaker 2: he's making these trades when less Senie, when John Schneider,
[37:46] Speaker 2: why are you hand in hand with them? Like, hey,
[37:48] Speaker 2: I need to outbid this guy. When the forty nine
[37:51] Speaker 2: ers traded for McCaffrey, they had an add an extra
[37:53] Speaker 2: pick because the Rams are gonna get him and people
[37:55] Speaker 2: now the Rams and the Niners are crazy here, but
[37:57] Speaker 2: they lean aggressiveness when I look at Buffalo, Yeah, they're
[38:00] Speaker 2: just not that aggressive of a front office, and I
[38:03] Speaker 2: think it's bit them on the margins when they've had
[38:05] Speaker 2: now Finally, their quarterback played a bad game. But man,
[38:09] Speaker 2: so to me Sean McDermott, by the time people are
[38:11] Speaker 2: listening to this Monday, he might be done. But the
[38:14] Speaker 2: GM to me, cannot be one of those that survives
[38:16] Speaker 2: and the coach goes. That would be insanity to me.
[38:19] Speaker 1: Now and credit to Denver, they will not have bow Knicks.
[38:22] Speaker 1: Jarrett Stidham, because he's been in the program a couple
[38:24] Speaker 1: of years, should be a fairly competent backup, and they
[38:27] Speaker 1: also have between MEM's Courtland Sutton Harvey. They run the
[38:31] Speaker 1: ball pretty effectively at times. They did not against Buffalo,
[38:34] Speaker 1: credit to McDermott and the defense, they didn't run the
[38:36] Speaker 1: ball well. But Stidham should be a capable backup. He
[38:40] Speaker 1: won't run like bow Nix, He's not that athlete. But
[38:43] Speaker 1: in the end, could I not argue the Broncos have
[38:46] Speaker 1: the better coach, the better roster, the more efficient quarterback
[38:50] Speaker 1: for this game, and frankly huge edge on deep balls
[38:53] Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Lost in all of this is that
[38:56] Speaker 1: bow Knicks was two for two on two big deep
[39:00] Speaker 1: ball home run touchdown throws. He did a lot of
[39:03] Speaker 1: stuff under eight yards, a lot of stuff behind the
[39:06] Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. The two times he went big he
[39:09] Speaker 1: hit on both of them. So lost in all of
[39:11] Speaker 1: this was their corners got beat twice on big plays
[39:13] Speaker 1: and Bonix was more efficient.
[39:15] Speaker 2: Well, think about this one area that he got a
[39:18] Speaker 2: lot of credit this year. So did Caleb. Throughout the
[39:20] Speaker 2: regular season when it mattered most, they turned into a
[39:22] Speaker 2: high level player. Yeah, I mean both of them played
[39:25] Speaker 2: like top five guys on the last couple drives throughout
[39:28] Speaker 2: the season when their backs were against the wall. That
[39:30] Speaker 2: led them to both winning a bunch of games right
[39:32] Speaker 2: and becoming you know, high sets. His final drive was fantastic.
[39:36] Speaker 1: Fantastic, multiple big shots.
[39:38] Speaker 2: In zone coverage, a big run for a first down,
[39:40] Speaker 2: and obviously the game winning touched or game I guess
[39:43] Speaker 2: if they took the lead and then Buffalo tied it.
[39:44] Speaker 2: But it was just a gorgeous pass. And what was
[39:47] Speaker 2: an area that we hammered him on this season was like, ah,
[39:50] Speaker 2: the deep balls a little, it's not great. And I
[39:52] Speaker 2: think one thing, if you wanted to be critical of
[39:55] Speaker 2: Sean with both, Like I think Ben Johnson's a lot
[39:57] Speaker 2: like this too. Their favorite plays are timing pass routes.
[40:02] Speaker 2: That's what Ben Jonson thrived with Jared Goff and him
[40:05] Speaker 2: wi Sean Payton. These guys are playmaking athletes. You kind
[40:09] Speaker 2: of gotta let him and it's hard, you know, Steve
[40:11] Speaker 2: Kerr and I'm not comparing Steph Curry to either one
[40:14] Speaker 2: of these guys, but likes sometimes he's got to let
[40:16] Speaker 2: him be him and most coaches struggle with that. And
[40:19] Speaker 2: I think he got like, this game's probably not as
[40:21] Speaker 2: close if Sean just let him kind of scramble around
[40:24] Speaker 2: and make plays. But sometimes in the pocket that's not
[40:27] Speaker 2: where bo when he gets out of rhythm, it can
[40:28] Speaker 2: look a little off right, but as he just kind
[40:31] Speaker 2: of like, hey, make some plays, we need a touchdown,
[40:33] Speaker 2: run around, let it loose. That's when he's at his best.
[40:36] Speaker 2: Which do you ever remember a game ending and then
[40:39] Speaker 2: all of a sudden the guy broke his ankle and
[40:41] Speaker 2: no one saw it. I mean, it's it feels like
[40:43] Speaker 2: an unprecedented an injury when you factor in, no one knew,
[40:47] Speaker 2: even clearly the coach didn't know till he was told
[40:50] Speaker 2: I mean he walked. The NFL tweeted out a video
[40:53] Speaker 2: of him walking off the field, high five in people.
[40:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think it's a bummer that
[40:58] Speaker 1: Jared's did a misplaying because I do think Denver, although
[41:01] Speaker 1: I don't know if they would win the Super Bowl,
[41:03] Speaker 1: I do think they're on a short list of teams
[41:05] Speaker 1: that can compete with it. I think they have an
[41:07] Speaker 1: excellent roster. And I'll give you I was thinking about
[41:10] Speaker 1: this today, John Denver and Seattle pivoted off Russell Wilson.
[41:16] Speaker 1: Denver really paid both number one seeds and the message
[41:22] Speaker 1: to the NFL if you make a mistake, move off
[41:26] Speaker 1: it quickly. Think about this. Gerrod Mayo, New England, big mistake,
[41:31] Speaker 1: moved off it. They're in the AFC Championship. Seattle, you
[41:37] Speaker 1: know we got Russell Wilson. We're moving off it didn't
[41:39] Speaker 1: take long. Geno Smith, Darnold Boom, number one seed, hit
[41:43] Speaker 1: on draft picks. Denver still paying cat room for this
[41:46] Speaker 1: year bow Nick's drafting playoffs, second year, number one seed
[41:50] Speaker 1: now AFC Championship. Bad weekend for Russell Wilson. Not to
[41:53] Speaker 1: bury him, but the point being between New England and Denver.
[41:57] Speaker 1: The message is, guys, don't get out of the rigidity
[42:02] Speaker 1: if you make a mistake with a coach or a quarterback.
[42:05] Speaker 1: The rebuilds are a year in the NFL you get
[42:08] Speaker 1: about a crappy year. I mean Denver in their rebuild
[42:11] Speaker 1: year with bow Knicks made the playoffs New England, and
[42:14] Speaker 1: I believe a rebuild year is going to make the
[42:17] Speaker 1: AFC Championship. So I kept thinking about it this weekend
[42:20] Speaker 1: when I looked at denveright. The overarching message is you
[42:24] Speaker 1: get the coach right, you get the quarterback mostly right.
[42:27] Speaker 1: Bo Nicks is hit and miss. You can not only
[42:30] Speaker 1: make the playoffs, you can end up a number one seed.
[42:33] Speaker 1: Our number one seeds are Bo Nicks and Sam Darnold.
[42:37] Speaker 1: You know, so we were getting into a weird space, John,
[42:40] Speaker 1: where it felt like mahomes Alan Lamar like you were
[42:43] Speaker 1: getting into a space where it felt like you had
[42:45] Speaker 1: to have a superstar quarterback to get in. The takeaway
[42:48] Speaker 1: now is no ge get a young talented quarterback. Caleb Williams.
[42:53] Speaker 1: I mean Stafford's now the only expensive guy left right
[42:56] Speaker 1: going into this podcast.
[42:58] Speaker 2: I also think that a lot of it, like the
[43:01] Speaker 2: Texans are a good example if CJ. Stroud would have
[43:04] Speaker 2: taken the approach like, hey, on this team, I'm just
[43:06] Speaker 2: gonna be Brad Johnson or Trend Dilfer, call me a
[43:09] Speaker 2: game manager, they could have won the Super Bowl. But
[43:12] Speaker 2: he tried to play like on this number two overall
[43:15] Speaker 2: quarterback watch me make plays? Is like, bro, do you
[43:18] Speaker 2: do not need to do that? So I think there's
[43:21] Speaker 2: this fine line of can you get a guy to
[43:23] Speaker 2: play within your system? Understand what he is? It's hard.
[43:26] Speaker 2: These quarterbacks now are rock stars. They make a ton
[43:28] Speaker 2: of money on and off the field, and some guys
[43:31] Speaker 2: just can't kind of find their lane, and then you're
[43:33] Speaker 2: very predicated on the play calling. Also, when you pay
[43:37] Speaker 2: a lot of money for these quarterbacks, it does limit.
[43:39] Speaker 2: I mean Buffalo in Kansas City just have less wiggle
[43:41] Speaker 2: room to make moves. I look at Denver, I want
[43:43] Speaker 2: Hufunga and I want Greenlow boom by it Bot mcglinchy
[43:46] Speaker 2: a year ago. You just start, you just can be
[43:49] Speaker 2: a little more aggressive once you pivot off and kind
[43:51] Speaker 2: of manipulate the cap. Also, it speaks to these owners,
[43:55] Speaker 2: what is Denver doing a lot? Like the Eagles did
[43:57] Speaker 2: they funny money contracts? They pay you more cash up front,
[44:00] Speaker 2: push it all down the line, and it's become not
[44:04] Speaker 2: only a smart guy, aggressive league, but is your owner
[44:06] Speaker 2: willing because they all have money, Like if the Browns
[44:09] Speaker 2: want to spend money, they can, they just choose not to.
[44:11] Speaker 2: In Cincinnati, they be cheap. It's your owner wants to
[44:14] Speaker 2: double down. I mean that's been the knock on Jerry.
[44:15] Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, just I'll pay you a couple guys,
[44:18] Speaker 2: but like gonna I'm gonna be a little cheap on
[44:19] Speaker 2: the margins. And I think Denver, clearly this is only
[44:23] Speaker 2: gonna solidify they They might get beat by twenty points
[44:26] Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship just because this guy doesn't take
[44:29] Speaker 2: any reps. Right, so we're in late January. I mean
[44:34] Speaker 2: he's probably gone four months without really taking assuming Bo
[44:36] Speaker 2: takes him all during practice he's with the scout team.
[44:39] Speaker 2: That's a lot to ask. So even worst case scenario,
[44:42] Speaker 2: but big picture, now, Sean's kind of you know, validated
[44:46] Speaker 2: when I tell you when I want something, to listen
[44:48] Speaker 2: to me. And these owners, I mean, who has more
[44:50] Speaker 2: money than Walmart? You know, Steve Balmer. I mean it's
[44:53] Speaker 2: a very short list. So it's like, hey, let's pay
[44:55] Speaker 2: this guy, give him a eighty million dollars signing bonus.
[44:57] Speaker 2: We'll do a ten year contract and we'll manipulate the book.
[45:00] Speaker 2: And that's why they were able to kind of maneuver
[45:03] Speaker 2: the Russell Wilson disaster. Think about Trey Lance. Niners pivoted
[45:07] Speaker 2: in a blink of an eye. Boom didn't even think twice.
[45:10] Speaker 2: You know, Carson Wentz years ago with the Eagles. It's like,
[45:13] Speaker 2: if you're willing to be like, hey, we missed, we
[45:15] Speaker 2: traded its first rounders, we paid a bunch of money.
[45:17] Speaker 2: Who cares. You're all making so much money you won't
[45:21] Speaker 2: even remember it.
[45:22] Speaker 1: In six months, Seattle our final game, recap hammer San
[45:35] Speaker 1: Francisco forty one to six. I thought it was going
[45:38] Speaker 1: to be really close. Somewhere in the third quarter, Seattle
[45:40] Speaker 1: pulls away. Instead, they take the opening kickoff, and from
[45:44] Speaker 1: that point the floodgates open. You know, I'll say this.
[45:46] Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has coached one hundred and sixty three games
[45:49] Speaker 1: with the Niners. Only four times he's been held under
[45:52] Speaker 1: seven points. Two of those are against the Seahawks in January.
[45:56] Speaker 1: Listen one with George Kittle, one with that out listen.
[46:01] Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the legion of Boom, but
[46:04] Speaker 1: I will tell you these corners for Seattle, the linebackers
[46:08] Speaker 1: Ernest Jones, their pass rush is unbelievable. You can't run
[46:12] Speaker 1: on them. I mean, And what this really benefits Seattle
[46:15] Speaker 1: is that they don't have to take major risks. With
[46:17] Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, he plays a very conservative game. They run
[46:20] Speaker 1: the ball with Walker. I mean, I look at the
[46:22] Speaker 1: Seattle defense and they don't need to take a lot
[46:27] Speaker 1: of risks. It's I mean, you know, Donald's throwing eighteen
[46:31] Speaker 1: to twenty times a game with that run game, with
[46:34] Speaker 1: that defense. Also the difference between the Seahawks and the
[46:37] Speaker 1: Rams and Niners in Division. Seattle's got great special teams,
[46:40] Speaker 1: outstanding special teams. I don't see a hole in Seattle,
[46:43] Speaker 1: do you You know?
[46:45] Speaker 2: They remind me a lot of the twenty nineteen forty
[46:47] Speaker 2: nine Ers who were the number one seed and had
[46:50] Speaker 2: a ten point lead with five minutes to go against
[46:52] Speaker 2: Kancay Chiefs and the Super Bowl. And if you remember
[46:54] Speaker 2: in that NFC Championship game, I think Jimmy Garoppolo threw
[46:57] Speaker 2: eight pass attempts and they blew out Aaron because their
[47:01] Speaker 2: defense was unstoppable. And what did they have Kyle and
[47:05] Speaker 2: Sola back then? Well, what does this team have McDonald
[47:08] Speaker 2: and Kubiak, who I've been saying forever the Kubiaks are
[47:11] Speaker 2: basically just the cousins of the Shanahans, right. I mean
[47:13] Speaker 2: the offense was invented with the two of them. So
[47:17] Speaker 2: when I see a team that they won a game
[47:20] Speaker 2: yesterday forty one to six, and their quarterback completed twelve
[47:23] Speaker 2: fastes for one hundred and twenty yards, So this was
[47:27] Speaker 2: the Jimmy Garoppolo forty nine ers. As long as you
[47:30] Speaker 2: don't turn the ball over, they're gonna win the Super Bowl.
[47:32] Speaker 2: If their defense is gonna play like that, they're going
[47:34] Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. The only way they will
[47:36] Speaker 2: not win the Super Bowl is if he has a
[47:37] Speaker 2: game where he has a fumble in an interception, if
[47:40] Speaker 2: he just plays control. Who cares to look at CJ.
[47:43] Speaker 2: Stroud today. Punt is not a bad thing. They're not
[47:45] Speaker 2: going to move the ball. At most, they're going to
[47:47] Speaker 2: score a couple touchdowns. Who cares. We cannot fumble the ball,
[47:50] Speaker 2: We can not throw interceptions. If Sam Darnold, which let's
[47:54] Speaker 2: face he led the league in turnovers during the season,
[47:56] Speaker 2: so you were nervous. And then the oblique injury to
[47:59] Speaker 2: me scared me because because yeah, a lot of quarter
[48:01] Speaker 2: I remember specifically, I think Derek Carr had this and
[48:04] Speaker 2: he just couldn't throw right. So you just think, how's
[48:06] Speaker 2: this gonna work? And then you watch that first throw
[48:08] Speaker 2: of the game. It was kind of like a hit
[48:09] Speaker 2: the ground. You want, well, this might be something Shanna
[48:12] Speaker 2: Hand said after the game, He's like, well, I wants
[48:13] Speaker 2: the tort roll really hits it in, he ain't gonna
[48:15] Speaker 2: feel it. So and then as the game went on
[48:18] Speaker 2: he looked just completely normal and they didn't even need him.
[48:20] Speaker 2: But if your defense from a scheme standpoint, they're the
[48:23] Speaker 2: best scheme defense in the way I've been described by
[48:25] Speaker 2: Niner people. Typically Kyle he kills you because he's such
[48:30] Speaker 2: a good game planner of like he knows exactly what
[48:33] Speaker 2: you're gonna do, so he can put his guy in
[48:36] Speaker 2: a place that he knows you're not gonna be. The
[48:38] Speaker 2: problem for McDonald is he's basically a wizard. You think
[48:43] Speaker 2: he's gonna do something and then he does the complete
[48:44] Speaker 2: opposite when the ball snapped. No one really plays like that.
[48:47] Speaker 2: Belichick used to do this forever, right, Spagnola kind of
[48:51] Speaker 2: does this with his blitzes. It's a short list of
[48:53] Speaker 2: guys that can really manipulate the defense like offensive coaches
[48:57] Speaker 2: manipulate the offense. This guy's I mean, there's no way
[49:01] Speaker 2: around it. And his and then the personnel standpoint. We
[49:04] Speaker 2: talk about britt being with Buffalo, they have the opposite
[49:07] Speaker 2: with shut Schnyder. I mean he's he's going to the
[49:09] Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. I mean that's just that's the case.
[49:12] Speaker 2: So he's going right to the Hall of Fame as
[49:14] Speaker 2: a GM.
[49:14] Speaker 1: My people that I trust think Snyder's is the best
[49:17] Speaker 1: personnel guy in the league. Howie Roseman is more aggressive
[49:21] Speaker 1: and maybe the great manipulator of trades and draft picks.
[49:25] Speaker 1: John's the best personnel guy just just looking at overall personnel.
[49:29] Speaker 1: And by the way, in this division, Seattle said, Listen,
[49:32] Speaker 1: McVeigh and Shanahan are in this division, We're not going
[49:35] Speaker 1: to have the third best offensive coach. They didn't try
[49:37] Speaker 1: to top the Rams and the Niners, Like, Okay, we
[49:40] Speaker 1: got McVeigh, we got Shanahan. We're not beating that. We're
[49:44] Speaker 1: gonna go get the McVeigh of the defensive side. So
[49:46] Speaker 1: we're gonna build this thing on defense, because you and
[49:48] Speaker 1: I John know this in the history of football, even
[49:50] Speaker 1: now's football, in most of the time, if your offense
[49:54] Speaker 1: is competent and not turnover prone, a dominating defense. The
[49:58] Speaker 1: Seahawks humul Peyton Manning in a Super Bowl. The Seahawks
[50:02] Speaker 1: should have beaten Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, not
[50:04] Speaker 1: for Malcolm Butler. A great defense with a competent offense.
[50:09] Speaker 1: Usually Mahomes has been blown out twice in Super Bowls.
[50:12] Speaker 1: He can't get pass pro, he can't be protected. So
[50:16] Speaker 1: I just they're the opposite of the Steelers. They're the
[50:19] Speaker 1: opposite of the Steelers. Is that the Seahawks have built
[50:23] Speaker 1: a defense that is young and cheap. It's the twenty
[50:26] Speaker 1: third most expensive defense. You know, with the Steelers they
[50:29] Speaker 1: spent all this money four years in a row of
[50:31] Speaker 1: the most expensive defense. It's old, creaky, a lot of injuries,
[50:34] Speaker 1: and expensive. Seattle's the opposite they hit on their draft picks.
[50:37] Speaker 1: It's young, cheap, flexible, and allows them to, you know,
[50:42] Speaker 1: go out and get Rashid Sahed and you know who.
[50:45] Speaker 1: By the way, they already had solid special teams. Now
[50:48] Speaker 1: they're probably the best special teams left in the playoffs.
[50:52] Speaker 2: I think what he did a really good job of
[50:54] Speaker 2: and a lot of people complain, go, we're never bad
[50:56] Speaker 2: enough to bottom out. Well, Seattle never bought him down.
[51:00] Speaker 2: They kept the Russell Wilson trade in the one year
[51:02] Speaker 2: it netted them I think the fifth pick, and they
[51:04] Speaker 2: got Witherspoon, who was a high end player. But a
[51:06] Speaker 2: lot of their guys, the guards from North Dakota State's
[51:10] Speaker 2: able Byron Murphy, those were teams that went like nine
[51:14] Speaker 2: to eight or ten and seven. So he was picking
[51:16] Speaker 2: in the teens and he hit home runs. So a
[51:19] Speaker 2: lot of GMS you know him, I know him in personnel. Well, bitch,
[51:22] Speaker 2: like you know, it's hard to find a guy at sixteen.
[51:25] Speaker 2: I didn't see John Snyder complaining he just got impact
[51:27] Speaker 2: Pro Bowl guys with those couple of picks. Obviously, the
[51:30] Speaker 2: Sam Darnold thing, even he admitted we tried to pay Gino.
[51:34] Speaker 2: We kind of low balled them relative I mean, they
[51:37] Speaker 2: were offering him thirty five million dollars. He thought he
[51:39] Speaker 2: was with Fortis like, fine, we're not We're gonna have
[51:41] Speaker 2: a number see you later. We'll go to Sam for
[51:43] Speaker 2: basically a cheaper price. And it's not like Sam. You know,
[51:46] Speaker 2: he was better last year, right, thirty five touchdowns this
[51:49] Speaker 2: year a little up and down with the turnovers, but
[51:52] Speaker 2: he's much more seasoned. Like you saw him last night,
[51:55] Speaker 2: it felt like a guy under control. He's injured, he
[51:58] Speaker 2: understands the circumstance. Play under control, play like Jimmy Garoppolo
[52:02] Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, which back to CJ. Stroud, can be hard
[52:06] Speaker 2: for guys who were star guys drafted high. You just
[52:09] Speaker 2: view yourself and that's why when people make the transition.
[52:12] Speaker 2: Rich Gannons talked about this. You know, it used to
[52:15] Speaker 2: happen a lot, like even before I was born, Jim Plunkett,
[52:18] Speaker 2: Guys that have been really humbled and then kind of
[52:20] Speaker 2: know their role. I think it is very difficult for
[52:22] Speaker 2: these guys to be like, hey, JJ McCarthy, you were
[52:25] Speaker 2: a top ten pick, but we need you to play
[52:26] Speaker 2: a little different now. And the version they got out
[52:30] Speaker 2: of Sam Donald last night, that will win them the
[52:32] Speaker 2: Super Bowl if he can just if they can play
[52:35] Speaker 2: in games where they're not even throwing at twenty times
[52:37] Speaker 2: a game, they might blow out the next two teams
[52:40] Speaker 2: they play. Maybe not forty one to six. But when
[52:42] Speaker 2: it shocked you, if they won the next two games
[52:44] Speaker 2: by double digits, if Sam Donald is attempting less than
[52:47] Speaker 2: twenty balls, they can run the ball in their defense.
[52:49] Speaker 2: Houston could do that if they just had a normal offense.
[52:51] Speaker 2: When you have that level of defense, Houston's defense seattles
[52:55] Speaker 2: defense even Denver. I keep hearing their defense is not
[52:58] Speaker 2: as good as it was last year. It's not bad, no,
[53:01] Speaker 2: but it's not dominant by anything. I mean, they got
[53:03] Speaker 2: shredded on the ground. You can't do anything on Seattle.
[53:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, the Niners overachieved all season.
[53:09] Speaker 1: They had no business beating Philly and Philly. Philly fell
[53:12] Speaker 1: apart offensively in coaching. So I mean, to me, Trent
[53:15] Speaker 1: Williams said it, after once you beat Philly and Philly
[53:17] Speaker 1: with this roster, you're going up to Seattle. You got
[53:20] Speaker 1: no George Kittle. I've always said this, if you speed
[53:22] Speaker 1: brock perty up, he becomes pretty normal. I mean, Christian
[53:25] Speaker 1: McCaffrey in two games against the Seahawks couldn't do anything.
[53:27] Speaker 1: So you know, McCaffrey's got Christians not helping. He's averaging
[53:31] Speaker 1: three yards of carry. There's no Kittle. I'm sorry that
[53:34] Speaker 1: the secondary for Seattle in the pass rush. This was
[53:36] Speaker 1: a roster mismatch, and I do think San Francisco hitting
[53:39] Speaker 1: a couple of young players, but I felt it was
[53:41] Speaker 1: a roster mismatch, all right. John Harbaugh to the New
[53:44] Speaker 1: York Giants, let's finish with this. Stefanski, by the way,
[53:47] Speaker 1: gets the Atlanta job. A lot of offensive skill people.
[53:49] Speaker 1: Not sure what the Steelers are doing. They're gonna get
[53:51] Speaker 1: the third choice because the Ravens they're coming in. They're
[53:55] Speaker 1: probably I think you would choose the Ravens over the Steelers,
[53:57] Speaker 1: So excuse me. The Steelers will get the fourth choice
[53:59] Speaker 1: at you know, and this is a rone. He's not
[54:02] Speaker 1: super aggressive in the free agent market, the trade deadline,
[54:05] Speaker 1: of the coaching market. They're not good at this. So
[54:08] Speaker 1: Giants get their guy Atlanta against their guy. Baltimore's probably
[54:12] Speaker 1: next top of the food chain with Steve Bushatti, Lamar Jackson.
[54:15] Speaker 1: Good roster. Steelers at best get fourth, Watch out Pittsburgh.
[54:19] Speaker 1: John Harbaugh to New York. So I text the GM today,
[54:23] Speaker 1: I said, Joe Shane, I mean John Harbaugh's making twenty
[54:28] Speaker 1: million a year. Joe Shane has no leverage, and that's
[54:31] Speaker 1: what he said. This is John is going to go
[54:33] Speaker 1: straight tomorrow. I have picked four years in a row.
[54:38] Speaker 1: My double year win total team, Giants went four and thirteen.
[54:42] Speaker 1: I actually think they're going to be a ten or
[54:44] Speaker 1: eleven win team next year. I think Washington's a bit
[54:46] Speaker 1: of a mess. Dallas, we don't know what they're doing
[54:49] Speaker 1: with the coaching position. I think they're bringing the you know,
[54:51] Speaker 1: they're bringing Brian Schottenheimer back. They still have some real
[54:54] Speaker 1: holes defensively. You know, you get to watch Jackson Dart
[54:58] Speaker 1: John Harbaugh and watch Jackson for a year and say,
[55:00] Speaker 1: let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna start him and see
[55:02] Speaker 1: if I like him. Because it's good. They're gonna be
[55:04] Speaker 1: going into a great quarterback draft out of college. I
[55:07] Speaker 1: think it sets up really well. I think between Andrew Thomas,
[55:10] Speaker 1: if they get a right tackle like the Tampa Bay
[55:12] Speaker 1: Buccaneers did with Brady Go get a right tackle, there's
[55:15] Speaker 1: three good ones in the first round. I think offensively
[55:18] Speaker 1: they're going to be interesting. They've got Duel Carter, they
[55:21] Speaker 1: got Brian Burns, probably needs some secondary help. I strongly
[55:25] Speaker 1: believe that this is a they don't need a schematic guy. John.
[55:29] Speaker 1: They don't need a play caller. They need a culture changer.
[55:33] Speaker 1: There's no Shanahans on the market, right, that's rare. You
[55:35] Speaker 1: get the CEO and the play caller, play designer. Harbottom
[55:39] Speaker 1: is what they needed. Successful culture builder, good staff builder.
[55:45] Speaker 1: I like, I'll be honest, if they get the right
[55:47] Speaker 1: tackle and a corner and a tight end and the
[55:49] Speaker 1: draft John, I like their roster.
[55:52] Speaker 2: Yeah to me, and it's a great fit for him. Yeah.
[55:55] Speaker 2: When it when he got fired and then the next
[55:59] Speaker 2: day they fire Mike McDaniel and it was like they're
[56:02] Speaker 2: gonna go after him. I was like, John Harbott in Miami.
[56:05] Speaker 2: That feels like a weirdest fit. That feels like where
[56:08] Speaker 2: a guy goes to kind of retire in his shoes.
[56:11] Speaker 2: To me, he feels New York giants. You know. Since
[56:13] Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight he got hired with Philadelphia. I think
[56:15] Speaker 2: that was the year before Andy Reid even got there. Yeah,
[56:18] Speaker 2: and Andy kept him and then so basically from ninety
[56:21] Speaker 2: eight till a couple of weeks ago, he's been in
[56:23] Speaker 2: Philadelphia and Baltimore. R Like he belongs in that area.
[56:26] Speaker 2: He's company, he feels like that area yes, yeah, I was.
[56:33] Speaker 2: I don't really remember the Walsh Niner era, but there
[56:37] Speaker 2: was one team that could handle him, and it was
[56:38] Speaker 2: Bill Parcells. And then the one team that could take
[56:41] Speaker 2: down Brady and Belichick it was Tom Coughlin. And I
[56:44] Speaker 2: would say that when Bill Parcells and Tom Coughlin. I
[56:47] Speaker 2: remember meeting Tom Coughlin one time at the combine. He's
[56:50] Speaker 2: not the biggest, most intimidating human. It's not like a
[56:52] Speaker 2: Vrabel or a Jim Harbaugh. But when you met him,
[56:55] Speaker 2: you felt like, this guy's the boss, you know, just
[56:57] Speaker 2: like stand up straight, and to me, that's what the
[57:00] Speaker 2: bringing to the table. So the Giants, now you could
[57:02] Speaker 2: argue this about New York. Think about the successful coaches,
[57:05] Speaker 2: even remove football pat Riley, right, Joe Tory, they've kind
[57:10] Speaker 2: of been like, yeah, this guy's the boss. And the
[57:13] Speaker 2: last decade since they got rid of Coughlin, which wasn't
[57:15] Speaker 2: the wrong move, it was time, right, they got a
[57:18] Speaker 2: bunch of guys that like, this guy's a number two,
[57:20] Speaker 2: this guy's at number three, this guy's no in this market.
[57:23] Speaker 2: To you can pull it off in some of these
[57:25] Speaker 2: smaller market spots, you have no chance. In New York.
[57:27] Speaker 2: You get eaten alive. The Jets make that mistake a
[57:30] Speaker 2: lot right, and John Harbaugh will come in. I mean,
[57:33] Speaker 2: look at they are very very lucky that this played
[57:38] Speaker 2: out the way it did because it gives them a
[57:40] Speaker 2: chance to change the franchise.
[57:41] Speaker 1: Also, John, when you do the first hire, you get
[57:43] Speaker 1: the best staff. So this is why I worry about Pittsburgh.
[57:46] Speaker 1: So Atlanta immediately goes and gets Stefanski because they want
[57:50] Speaker 1: to get the best. Stefanski wants to get that defensive
[57:52] Speaker 1: staff in. Because Stefanski's gonna get a good offensive staff.
[57:55] Speaker 1: He's a bright guy. He wants to get special teams
[57:57] Speaker 1: in defense taken care of. So I mean, to me,
[58:00] Speaker 1: I think Atlanta is very attractive in terms of offensive skill,
[58:04] Speaker 1: pretty good offensive line. I think their stability in Arthur Blank,
[58:06] Speaker 1: I think people respect Arthur Blank. I think Stefanski's really bright.
[58:09] Speaker 1: It's a weaker division. You're playing indoors, you know. To me,
[58:13] Speaker 1: I think Stefanski would fit there. But the minute the
[58:15] Speaker 1: Giants went horriball, I think Atlanta looks at that and goes,
[58:18] Speaker 1: all right, let's get our guy. That's where I worry
[58:20] Speaker 1: about Pittsburgh because they don't do this at least Atlanta
[58:24] Speaker 1: and the Giants have. They have a history of hiring
[58:26] Speaker 1: coaches and the process.
[58:29] Speaker 2: My only issue with the Giants thing is the Giants
[58:33] Speaker 2: had to do whatever it took to get this guy.
[58:34] Speaker 2: They gave one hundred million dollars. I mean, great time
[58:36] Speaker 2: to be a coach. I mean, how much money is
[58:38] Speaker 2: John Harbaugh gonna make over the course? By twenty and thirty,
[58:40] Speaker 2: he'll be worth like hundreds of millions of dollars. This
[58:42] Speaker 2: guy's These guys are crushing it. But I do think
[58:46] Speaker 2: you've got to be very careful. And Andy's like his mentor,
[58:49] Speaker 2: guy that he looks up to. I think that helped.
[58:51] Speaker 2: He talked to a bunch when Andy went to Kansas City.
[58:53] Speaker 2: He said, listen, I do not want to pick the players. Now,
[58:56] Speaker 2: I'm not saying John is saying that, but when you
[58:59] Speaker 2: put yourself away away from the GM, you have all
[59:02] Speaker 2: the juice to me the Giants. What they should do is, listen,
[59:05] Speaker 2: we are gonna put you at the top of the
[59:06] Speaker 2: food chain, but we want you, like your brother with Ortiz,
[59:10] Speaker 2: get someone you really respect so you can lean on him, like.
[59:14] Speaker 1: You know what.
[59:14] Speaker 2: Demico doesn't have to worry about picking players. Casario does
[59:18] Speaker 2: it all right, you know what, Mike McDonald doesn't have
[59:20] Speaker 2: to worry about picking players. John does it all focus
[59:23] Speaker 2: on coaching, focus on the culture. Obviously, you impact who
[59:26] Speaker 2: we draft and sign. But right now, John's kind of
[59:30] Speaker 2: it's kind of Gruden like. And Mark Davis said, I
[59:33] Speaker 2: want you to work with Reggie mackenzie for a year.
[59:34] Speaker 2: You know why because I think a lot of these owners,
[59:36] Speaker 2: they spend way more time with the GM. They end
[59:38] Speaker 2: up liking the guy. I'm sure they like Joe Shane
[59:40] Speaker 2: a lot. This is never gonna Joe Shane. I would
[59:43] Speaker 2: be stunt now. I said that about Sean Payton with
[59:45] Speaker 2: the guy he's still there. The GM that you know
[59:48] Speaker 2: kind of fall so it's it's never guaranteed. You know,
[59:50] Speaker 2: he's got a year to sell himself. And George pat
[59:53] Speaker 2: Peyton Patton, right, yeah, still Shawn's GM.
[59:55] Speaker 1: He's respected though, I mean, he's pretty good personnel guy.
[59:59] Speaker 2: Had turned down G interviews for like seven years before
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: he got the Denver job. He was kind of like
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: you know, Chris Ballard, Adam Peters. There are these rare
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: personnel guys that, like Cassario was like, that have a
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: run where they kind of picked their specific job. This
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: doesn't feel like that with Joe Shane, and it almost
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: feels inevitable that he's just gonna have a raven type
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: guy in that spot. Why not do it right now?
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: Why not just start fresh? So John, because sometimes coaches
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: they think a lot different than personnel guys.
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, Corsonnelle.
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: Guys can be a little less emotional, can think bigger
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: picture stuff. They understand the marketplace of the draft a
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: little bit better. And I'd just be Now, the Giants
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: don't really have a crazy It's not like there's a
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: Khalil Mack for him to trade or you know, something
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: crazy for him. But in a year he could do
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: something that maybe he would regret in two years that
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: he didn't have to do that in Baltimore because he
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: had Ozzy and Ericacosta and by many consider the best
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: one of the best staffs in the league. Now he's
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: going he's you know Vrabel when he went to New England,
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: brought one of his guys to Tennessee to work with
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf. I have a lot of friends that think,
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: you watch John will bring uh, you know, a Baltimore
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: guy with him, But then that's what's the point. You know,
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: it's I'd be very careful about that. Totally pro The
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: higher think it's a no brainer, but that the coach
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: having too much jew Sometimes they can I think he
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: told you O'Connor, we plan on making the playoffs next year.
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's not coming there to uh the rebuild.
[1:01:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's hard enough to be a GM.
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: I think you have to be very careful about wanting
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: that power. Sean Payton has had some power, but again
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: has a really strong guy. Joe Shane, I don't. I
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: don't think is going to rise to a top five GM.
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: The Saquon Barkley move because it was so public and
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: on TV. But I mean, let's be honest. Abdul Carter
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: was skataboo. Jackson Dart Malik neighbors when he's healthy. I mean,
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: there are some players on this roster that he's done
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: a pretty good job. Joe Shane hasn't. He hasn't whipped
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: I mean Brandon Bean with the Buffalo Bills has. I mean,
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: there's some big whiffs here. Joe Shane's done been more
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: than competent for a lot of his draft picks. The
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: Saquon Bartley thing is going to hang over him forever.
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: That's why that's another reason why you don't want to
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: do one of these HBO Hard Knocks shows. But I
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: my argument is that division between Dallas's dysfunction. You know,
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, keep your eyes on that, Adam Peters basically
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury felt he was bullied. Now you don't have
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator Jade and Daniels. You cross your fingers.
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: Siriani's going to maintain his job. So my take it,
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: this is not one of the stronger coach divisions. This
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: is not mcveay, Shanahan and Mike McDonald. Okay, this division
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: is a Harbaugh. The minute you hired Rabel, best coach
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: in the division, the minute you hired John Harbaugh, best
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: coach in the division. That usually works out well.
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: Well, I think what you can see with Washington come
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: from a mile away is Mike Tomlin, because I'm pretty
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: sure Mike Tomlin's from that general area. Yeah, and he's
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: going to go on TV. His stock is only going
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: to skyrocket. And who's their owner? An NBA guy? Who
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: is he hired Doc Rivers. Nick Nurse won an NBA
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: championship in NB get Paul George like, the NBA's a
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: splash your league, and that's he's kind of used to that.
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: And he goes, well, we haven't even won, but we've
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: always been a topic of conversation. We can win and
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: be a topic of conversation. To me, you can see
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: it coming from a mile away. The Tomlin thing. Who's
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: his right hand man now, Bob Myers, NBA guy, their
[1:03:25] Speaker 2: mental Bushott, he's an NFL guy, thinks big picture, can
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: take a deep breath, doesn't live you know, on Twitter,
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: like doesn't even care. Right, most of these NFL owners,
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: they're making so much money. They realize that they've been
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: making the money before social media. They realize how irrelevant
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: is the NBA is a little bit more day to
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: day Internet, all out flashy headlines and Josh Harris like,
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: to me, dan Quinn's a year away. You don't make
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: the playoffs next year, which the Eagles obviously they're coach,
[1:03:54] Speaker 2: but they're gonna be good. You know, they got good players.
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: Dallas. Ben Johnson turned down Washington. His takeaway was the
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: Washington guys, the NBA, Washington guys thought they knew a
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: little more about football than they really did. Those your
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: NBA guys. Yeah, I think the Tomlin thing, I think
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: you're right about. And Tomlin's not a college or a
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: West coast guy. He wants to stay east. That's his heritage,
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: that's his history, that's what he feels comfortable doing. Again,
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: some of these guys, Belichick, Vrabel, Tomlin, Harbaugh, they just
[1:04:27] Speaker 1: feel like they're at home. They feel comfort. Where you
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: live dictates a lot of your happiness and comfort and confidence.
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: And I think you're right.
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: I give Mike a lot of credit if truly and
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: who knows exactly the behind the scenes detail, but if
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: he truly looked in the mirror, and he probably would
[1:04:41] Speaker 2: have known this before the day that he announced, Like,
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: this thing's over, right, they're gonna be better off. I
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: need to move. Sean Payton did the same thing, like, guys,
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: this thing's done, we need both pivot nineteen eighteen years.
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: You know, John Harbaugh, it's hard. I mean, they reports
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: Mike Tomalin's making twenty five million dollars. Most human being
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: to no walk away from that. But he saw this
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: team a lot like the Saints. It's gonna get uglier
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: before it gets better. Yeah, what was the Rooney's quote?
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: We don't plan on rebuilding. Well, bro, you might need
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: to like, yeah, this is twenty twenty six, check your roster.
[1:05:15] Speaker 2: You got problems. So I think Mike Tomlin if dan
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: Quinn is dan Quinn. You know, he's a great guy.
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: People love him. Is he missing? And he's had a
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: good little run there with McCarthy. They had some really
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: good players there for a couple of years. I like,
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't know.
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: I think he's mid. I think that's fair. I think
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: he's a nice guy. I think he's pretty mid. I
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: think coaching is getting better and smarter, and I just
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: even defensive coaches. I don't put him in like a
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: Mike McDonald class, or a Robert Solid class, or a
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: Demico Ryan's class, agreed.
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