# Cowboys Offense On Fire To Start Season, Should Cowboys Hire Belichick? Did Dallas Win Parsons Trade? Dak Has Been Underrated

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 16 Oct 2025, 55 min.

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Colin is joined by Cowboys insider and Fox Sports columnist Matt Mosley. They start with the surprisingly hot start for Dak Prescott and the Cowboys offense and debate what the secret sauce has been for America’s team (3:00). Colin doubles down on his take that trading Micah Parsons was the right long-term move for the Cowboys but Mosley pushes back that the defense is now a disaster minus Micah (6:45). They discuss how the Dallas media treats Jerry Jones now that Mark Cuban sold the Mavericks and is the centerpiece of Dallas sports (11:00), and why Dak has been consistently over-villainized and underrated throughout his career (14:00). They pivot to college football and Colin argues that Arch Manning taking the heat at Texas has taken the heat off Steve Sarkisian, and Mosley explains why Manning has been subjected to unfair expectations (26:15). Colin also talks about the incredible humility he’s experienced interacting with the Manning family (29:30). They pivot back to the Parsons trade, and how it played out with the benefit of hindsight and whether it seemed like Jerry bumbled the contract negotiations (33:45). They discuss the disastrous state of the Cowboys defense and Colin throws out the potential of the Cowboys hiring Bill Belichick (54:00). Finally, they debate why Jason Garrett has remained out of coaching and Colin argues he’d be a great fit in college (1:00:00). All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: The volume.
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[0:31] Speaker 2: talked to Matt mosey in, a long time host of
[0:35] Speaker 2: the Doomsday Podcast with Ed Werder, but Ed's not here today,
[0:38] Speaker 2: so let's just say Matt's the host and Ed will
[0:40] Speaker 2: have to give you know, deal with all the you
[0:42] Speaker 2: know land mines after this. So, first of all, longtime,
[0:45] Speaker 2: no talk. It's I thought this was a four win team.
[0:49] Speaker 2: I thought Schottenheimer was going to be a disaster, and
[0:53] Speaker 2: yet the offense is cooking with no CD LAMB. They're
[0:58] Speaker 2: rebuilding the old line. Dave Williams looks pretty good. They
[1:01] Speaker 2: don't have a number one receiver. I think Pickens is
[1:04] Speaker 2: more of a two. What is Brian Schottenheimer, who hadn't
[1:09] Speaker 2: interviewed for a head job in a decade and a half.
[1:11] Speaker 1: What's the secret sauce here? By the way, I mean,
[1:16] Speaker 1: they have CD coming back, so you know, I think
[1:19] Speaker 1: we would agree he's a legit one. He's great. Pickens
[1:22] Speaker 1: playing himself into a big contract. And see, Jerry has
[1:27] Speaker 1: all this room now to deal with, you know, getting
[1:30] Speaker 1: trading Micah. He's got all the cap room in the world,
[1:33] Speaker 1: so Jerry can can move around and do some things.
[1:37] Speaker 1: It really is kind of sad though, because it feels
[1:40] Speaker 1: like it's gonna be wasted. They're gonna win more than
[1:43] Speaker 1: four games, but they're losing games. And this is probably
[1:48] Speaker 1: the best Dak's ever played. This is the most comfortable
[1:50] Speaker 1: he's been. And thinking about what you just said, without CD,
[1:54] Speaker 1: with Pickens in that last game, without even a run game,
[1:57] Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Bobby Brown from Texas A and M,
[2:01] Speaker 1: the fifth year player out A and M and whoever
[2:03] Speaker 1: else Carolina was lining lining up, you could name them all,
[2:06] Speaker 1: Colin they were. I mean, they had Juvante bottled up
[2:09] Speaker 1: and still that was fine, and they're scoring thirty points
[2:13] Speaker 1: a game, and they had one hiccup and that was
[2:16] Speaker 1: in Chicago, and they had a really bad outing against
[2:19] Speaker 1: Caleb in Chicago. But maybe Ben Johnson is turning that
[2:22] Speaker 1: thing around. But this is a real this is but
[2:25] Speaker 1: the offense is great. It looks so much better honestly
[2:30] Speaker 1: than even McCarthy because they're just more inventive. They're getting
[2:34] Speaker 1: more people involved. Their running game looks better, like what
[2:37] Speaker 1: they're doing with their tight ends. I mean, think about that.
[2:40] Speaker 1: Ferguson didn't have a touchdown all of last season. I
[2:43] Speaker 1: only get a single touchdown, he said, like four in
[2:45] Speaker 1: the last four weeks. But he's on a roll. And
[2:49] Speaker 1: then you know he's doing for Pickens what Romo used
[2:52] Speaker 1: to do for the La Run Robinson's and you know, remember,
[2:56] Speaker 1: oh miles they had, I mean they've they've had some
[2:59] Speaker 1: Miles Austin. You know, Romo used to elevate guys, and
[3:03] Speaker 1: Dak's even doing that because Pickens looks incredible and he's
[3:07] Speaker 1: looked like a number one. But I think your four
[3:10] Speaker 1: win I think they'll exceed that, but only Colin because
[3:15] Speaker 1: the NFC East is so bad, Like this thing looks
[3:19] Speaker 1: bad right now and this could have been a year
[3:23] Speaker 1: with a league average defense, Cowboys could have a great
[3:26] Speaker 1: shot of winning this division. That's how bad. The division
[3:29] Speaker 1: looks right now and they're not going to be able
[3:32] Speaker 1: to do it because this defense is horrific and there's
[3:35] Speaker 1: no I don't really see any path foward, like anybody
[3:40] Speaker 1: you could bring in.
[3:41] Speaker 2: What I've said this it's the Shaq Kobe trade. The
[3:44] Speaker 2: Lakers knew for two years Shaq was going to go
[3:46] Speaker 2: to Miami with d Wade and win more than Kobe was.
[3:50] Speaker 2: But in the end it was the right move. I
[3:52] Speaker 2: think I am the only syndicated voice TV or radio
[3:56] Speaker 2: that has said I love moving Dak. Jerry's a deal.
[4:00] Speaker 2: In the last two years. He couldn't pay eight million
[4:02] Speaker 2: dollars for Derrick Henry. You took the oil man and
[4:05] Speaker 2: the maverick and you muted his ability to do any
[4:07] Speaker 2: deals because they were too top heavy. And now Dak
[4:11] Speaker 2: is playing great. So you go in to a draft
[4:13] Speaker 2: next year with two ones and you don't need a quarterback.
[4:17] Speaker 2: Meaning let's say let's say they finish they have the
[4:21] Speaker 2: eighth pick, eighth pick, ninth pick. They could move down
[4:25] Speaker 2: to fifteen, grab another three or a four or five,
[4:28] Speaker 2: rebuild the defense. You know how it works. Defense is
[4:31] Speaker 2: about collisions, is about blowing stuff up. You can walk
[4:35] Speaker 2: in as a pass rusher, as an elite corner or
[4:38] Speaker 2: a linebacker and play as a rookie and have an impact.
[4:41] Speaker 2: I mean, Fred Warner did, Boss do Micah did? You're
[4:45] Speaker 2: not asking a tight end to learn how to block
[4:47] Speaker 2: out a college or a quarterback or an offensive lineman,
[4:50] Speaker 2: where even if you're good, it takes a year. I
[4:52] Speaker 2: think Dallas is going to take those first two draft picks.
[4:55] Speaker 2: They're going to upgrade their defense. They'll have money to
[4:58] Speaker 2: buy another playmaker, Kenny Clark. That's a nice getting that deal.
[5:02] Speaker 2: I think Dallas long term is better without Micah. I
[5:06] Speaker 2: just think you're gonna lose this trade because Green Bay
[5:09] Speaker 2: is gonna win playoff games.
[5:10] Speaker 1: And you're gonna look bad. You're gonna look like.
[5:12] Speaker 2: Kobe with the Lakers waiting to get Gasol shacks in
[5:16] Speaker 2: Miami winning and everybody crushes you for two years. But
[5:20] Speaker 2: in the end, Gasol was the better fit.
[5:23] Speaker 1: Okay, but the quarterback is going to be thirty four
[5:27] Speaker 1: or thirty five years old by the time you're turning
[5:30] Speaker 1: the corner and getting all these picks hit, so you
[5:33] Speaker 1: might have to go get another quarterback too. And you're
[5:36] Speaker 1: so I mean, what's happening right now is they're wasting
[5:39] Speaker 1: a brilliant year. He was second. I mean, I know
[5:42] Speaker 1: we beat up on him, and you have and I
[5:44] Speaker 1: have over the years to a certain extent. He was
[5:47] Speaker 1: number two in the MVP voting just two years ago. Yeah,
[5:50] Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Does he get hurt too much? Yes?
[5:53] Speaker 1: Does he run the ball anymore? No? But like he's
[5:55] Speaker 1: making right now, he's as effishent. I mean, there's not
[6:00] Speaker 1: a quarterback in the league playing more consistently and throwing
[6:05] Speaker 1: the ball better than Dak right now. Totally, totally, And
[6:08] Speaker 1: I just don't know if they can turn it around
[6:11] Speaker 1: as quickly as you're talking about. And plus what a
[6:14] Speaker 1: deal to do to eber Flus and even Shoty, what
[6:17] Speaker 1: a deal a week before, seven days or five days
[6:20] Speaker 1: before the deal? You trade your one huge defensive playmaker.
[6:25] Speaker 1: And it's not just all they're struggling against the run,
[6:29] Speaker 1: they're struggling against the pass. It's a disaster. It's a disaster.
[6:33] Speaker 1: So while I agree and it's interesting to see what
[6:36] Speaker 1: they do with it, they're going to be on their
[6:37] Speaker 1: third defensive coordinator in three years. Because if eber Flus
[6:43] Speaker 1: continues down this path, this isn't sustainable and they're not
[6:46] Speaker 1: going to give him another season, and so Shoty has
[6:49] Speaker 1: to fire him. I mean, although it's not Shoty's decision.
[6:51] Speaker 1: And again that's where it all comes back to. I mean,
[6:54] Speaker 1: Jerry medals so much he didn't even allow this new
[6:59] Speaker 1: internal candidate to hire his own defense coordinator. I think
[7:03] Speaker 1: ibra Flus was in the building and probably hired before
[7:06] Speaker 1: they'd even finished the deal with Schottenheimer. So again, this
[7:11] Speaker 1: is the backwards dealings of an owner's slash gem. But
[7:16] Speaker 1: I mean, I it'd be great if they could, if
[7:18] Speaker 1: they could turn it and flip it. I mean, they'll
[7:20] Speaker 1: have two first round picks next year. Maybe they find somebody,
[7:23] Speaker 1: But I mean, think about what they're missing right now.
[7:26] Speaker 1: They don't have a decent linebacker. There are two stud
[7:30] Speaker 1: defensive backs. They are two studded cornerbacks that are ninety
[7:35] Speaker 1: million worth ninety million in the contracts combining for about
[7:39] Speaker 1: thirty six to forty million this year, just on this
[7:42] Speaker 1: year's books. Are horrible right now. They don't have anybody's
[7:45] Speaker 1: playing safety. They're playing Donovan Wilson completely out of position.
[7:49] Speaker 1: They don't have a linebacker that can make a tackle.
[7:52] Speaker 1: I mean, it's bad. This is this makes like rob Ronan,
[7:58] Speaker 1: you know, look look almost like he knows what he's doing.
[8:01] Speaker 1: Now you go back to some of those guys they
[8:03] Speaker 1: struggled with. So it's just I guess to me, Colin,
[8:07] Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, and I'll be interested to
[8:09] Speaker 1: see what they're able to build moving forward. But as
[8:13] Speaker 1: I've said to you before, it really is a gut
[8:16] Speaker 1: punch to have lucked into two quarterbacks. Yeah, or twenty
[8:21] Speaker 1: years now. The Green Bay Packers have done it for
[8:25] Speaker 1: thirty Yes, now, I'm not saying they locked into it,
[8:27] Speaker 1: although the trade for far if you can say what
[8:29] Speaker 1: you want, and they got Aaron Rodgers lay it way
[8:32] Speaker 1: later than anybody ever thought Rogers would go in the
[8:34] Speaker 1: first round. But they've had thirty years of great quarterback play.
[8:38] Speaker 1: That boys are entering year twenty of tremendous quarterback play
[8:43] Speaker 1: and have nothing to show for. At least the Packers
[8:46] Speaker 1: have one Super Bowl. At least they can point to
[8:49] Speaker 1: one Super Bowl. Yeah, Cowboys have zero and not even
[8:53] Speaker 1: a NFC title game.
[8:54] Speaker 2: So Dallas, I mean, there's how does the Dallas media.
[9:01] Speaker 2: I mean, now that Mark Cuban has sold the Mavericks.
[9:05] Speaker 2: Jerry is the centerpiece of that city's sports fortunes.
[9:11] Speaker 1: How does the.
[9:14] Speaker 2: When he fired Tom Landry, nobody liked him. Then when
[9:17] Speaker 2: he built the Empire, he was a big shot. Then
[9:20] Speaker 2: they got rid of Jimmy and things sag. And how
[9:25] Speaker 2: does the Dallas media treat Jerry Jones? What is it
[9:28] Speaker 2: like in those postgame scrums? How is he treated with.
[9:32] Speaker 1: Reverence, with anxiety with you seen? Have you seen me
[9:38] Speaker 1: behind him in all those scrums? And I have, for
[9:40] Speaker 1: some reason, I have to battle my way back there.
[9:43] Speaker 1: I have to watch it because then later people show
[9:46] Speaker 1: me my facial expressions. I've been around him so long
[9:50] Speaker 1: that I can't like kind of hold it in. I'm
[9:52] Speaker 1: just like, what in the world am I hearing? I
[9:57] Speaker 1: think if anything, people have gotten more or where they're
[10:03] Speaker 1: just kind of they know he's not going to change.
[10:06] Speaker 1: He is entertaining. Nothing's ever going to change. They have
[10:11] Speaker 1: a guy in Will McLay who's a good personnel man.
[10:14] Speaker 1: There's a shot that they hit on these draft picks.
[10:18] Speaker 1: I mean, they hit on a lot of these picks
[10:20] Speaker 1: they've hit on. They they may end up hitting on
[10:23] Speaker 1: I mean every one of their offensive line now when
[10:25] Speaker 1: you ask them to go get a defensive tackle or
[10:28] Speaker 1: sometimes the defensive end, they'll miss they'll miss on some
[10:31] Speaker 1: of that. But no, I think the media is just
[10:36] Speaker 1: at this point going through the motions. They know he's
[10:39] Speaker 1: still the center of everything. It's kind of humorous because
[10:43] Speaker 1: the head coach almost has to kind of I think
[10:45] Speaker 1: they wait to take it is smarter them to do this.
[10:49] Speaker 1: They wait to take the head coach to the podium
[10:53] Speaker 1: until Jerry's thing is finished, because I would when they didn't,
[10:57] Speaker 1: and McCarthy would start before Jerry was finished. McCarthy might
[11:01] Speaker 1: have like five people around him and there would be
[11:05] Speaker 1: forty five to seventy people gathered around Jerry. So that's
[11:09] Speaker 1: what it's all. It's what it will always be, and
[11:11] Speaker 1: Jerry will keep doing this until he's well into his nineties.
[11:15] Speaker 1: All right, he just turned eighty three. I think he
[11:18] Speaker 1: just celebrated his eighty third birthday. But I think I
[11:22] Speaker 1: just think we're just so used to it, and so
[11:25] Speaker 1: there's nothing I mean, And so the head coach and
[11:30] Speaker 1: everybody else has to wait and see what he said,
[11:34] Speaker 1: and then they have to react to whatever he said.
[11:37] Speaker 2: The you know, I will say I said generally in
[11:43] Speaker 2: the NFL by the end of the second chapter. If
[11:47] Speaker 2: your average NFL quarterback career is fifteen years fifteen chapters
[11:51] Speaker 2: of a book, generally by the middle to late stages
[11:55] Speaker 2: of the second chapter, you know what they are. Josh Allen,
[12:00] Speaker 2: end of his second year, jumping over linebackers. You're like,
[12:03] Speaker 2: this is gonna work. Burrow Herbert, we knew first year
[12:08] Speaker 2: Dak's unique. We're probably in chapter eleven. And I talked
[12:13] Speaker 2: about this a month ago on my show. They lost
[12:15] Speaker 2: Zach Martin, Tyron Smith, Ceedee Lambs, now Hurt, Mike McCarthy,
[12:20] Speaker 2: Jason Garrett, des Bryant Zeke, all these formidable players, and
[12:26] Speaker 2: yet Dak, if he is upright, will win ten plus games.
[12:32] Speaker 2: And I thought I was always.
[12:33] Speaker 1: Fair with Dak.
[12:35] Speaker 2: But he's lost Hall of Fame talent, and it's rarely
[12:40] Speaker 2: been replaced by Hall of Fame talent. And Dak's never
[12:44] Speaker 2: had what you would consider our Andy Reid as Sean
[12:48] Speaker 2: Payton of Bill Parcells a Jimmy Johnson, and Dak's gonna
[12:52] Speaker 2: get Hall of Fame boats and Dak is having his
[12:54] Speaker 2: best year. Think about this, and I came to this
[12:58] Speaker 2: conclusion about a month ago out you don't have a
[13:01] Speaker 2: number one receiver, you don't really have a number one
[13:03] Speaker 2: tied end. The offensive line is mid and in a
[13:06] Speaker 2: rebuild running game, Javonte Williams does look like the Denver
[13:10] Speaker 2: Javonte Williams and you're dropping thirty a game?
[13:13] Speaker 3: Is that?
[13:13] Speaker 2: I look at it and I'm like, I always try
[13:15] Speaker 2: to be fair with these guys. Baker Mayfield, that was hard.
[13:18] Speaker 1: Now I'm not.
[13:21] Speaker 2: Dak Prescott's intelligence and maturity. I haven't even thrown in
[13:25] Speaker 2: the Jerry Jones quotient, which is a lot to deal
[13:30] Speaker 2: with and a very aggressive big city media in Dallas.
[13:33] Speaker 2: Quarterback for the Cowboys is shortstot for the Yankees. It's
[13:36] Speaker 2: a big boy job. And I look at Dak and
[13:39] Speaker 2: he's one of these quarterbacks. It took till about chapter
[13:42] Speaker 2: eleven and I look at him and I'm like, if
[13:45] Speaker 2: he gives me four more years like this, he's gonna
[13:48] Speaker 2: get a lot of Hall of Fame votes.
[13:49] Speaker 1: We're just gonna have to. I mean, the critics, and
[13:52] Speaker 1: I've been one.
[13:52] Speaker 2: I'm not a harsh critic, but I always said he's
[13:54] Speaker 2: a B plus quarterback. Have I just undervalued the intangible?
[14:00] Speaker 2: So the maturity, the smart. I mean I always thought
[14:02] Speaker 2: he was smart. He was always great at the podium. Yes,
[14:05] Speaker 2: but I mean Jalen Hurts is not good from the pocket.
[14:09] Speaker 2: Dak is good from the pocket. We can't deny that
[14:11] Speaker 2: he didn't run like he used to. Although he's got
[14:13] Speaker 2: a little bit of juice this year, I don't know.
[14:15] Speaker 2: I look at Dak and I'm like, hell, he's playing
[14:17] Speaker 2: as ball as anybody right now.
[14:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I only spent ten years trying to convince
[14:23] Speaker 1: you of this. And I do think after some of
[14:31] Speaker 1: those playoff games, when I would come on and say
[14:36] Speaker 1: the intangibles, the way he leads, the way people respond
[14:41] Speaker 1: to him, you weren't the only deaf ears that was
[14:45] Speaker 1: falling on. It was just that the problem with Dak
[14:49] Speaker 1: is you know. And it happened to Romo too. Like Dak,
[14:54] Speaker 1: Romo is great early. I mean now he had to
[14:57] Speaker 1: wait until he got his turn. But by two thousand
[14:59] Speaker 1: and seven and he was rolling That team should have
[15:02] Speaker 1: made it to an NFC title game. And he was
[15:05] Speaker 1: better than Eli. He was absolutely a better quarterback than Eli.
[15:09] Speaker 1: But Eli won two Super Bowls? So how are we
[15:11] Speaker 1: going to view them? We're always going to view Eli
[15:13] Speaker 1: as the better quarterback. You know, Dak had the same
[15:16] Speaker 1: kind of issue. Dak was great. In twenty sixteen, Romo
[15:20] Speaker 1: had to give a concession speech. They thought they were
[15:23] Speaker 1: going to get two or three more years out of
[15:24] Speaker 1: Tony Romo, and Romo finally had to come out and
[15:27] Speaker 1: write a concession speech and go, he's been great, and
[15:30] Speaker 1: you know, my time has been great here and I'm
[15:32] Speaker 1: going to turn this over to Dak Prescott now. And
[15:36] Speaker 1: so Prescott was then held to like this high standard
[15:40] Speaker 1: that we don't hold most fourth round picks too. He
[15:43] Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick, but he had a great
[15:45] Speaker 1: year out of the shoot and it's just like, man,
[15:47] Speaker 1: this guy's got to be great for the next ten,
[15:49] Speaker 1: fifteen years or whatever. And he's had his down moments
[15:53] Speaker 1: and he's had his great moments. He was good against
[15:55] Speaker 1: Tom Brady and the Bucks in the playoffs. He was
[15:57] Speaker 1: good against when they had to play the Packers in
[16:00] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs and they lost that game
[16:02] Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. He's had good moments in the playoffs,
[16:05] Speaker 1: but all of you remember are the horrible moments the
[16:08] Speaker 1: San Franciscos, them getting crushed against the Packers in twenty
[16:14] Speaker 1: twenty three, so he's defined by that. And here's the
[16:18] Speaker 1: thing Stafford's had. Stafford had the same career. Stafford had
[16:21] Speaker 1: the same career as Deck, but he was playing in Detroit,
[16:24] Speaker 1: and we didn't hold him to the same standard even
[16:26] Speaker 1: though he was the number one overall pick and made
[16:29] Speaker 1: fifty million dollars immediately, we held him to a different
[16:32] Speaker 1: standard because he didn't play for the Cowboys. So what
[16:35] Speaker 1: you said early on was right short stop for the Yankees,
[16:38] Speaker 1: quarterback for the Cowboys. Like He's had the exact same
[16:42] Speaker 1: career as Stafford, but he didn't get the super Bowl.
[16:45] Speaker 1: He didn't have the Super Bowl. And guess where DeMarcus
[16:48] Speaker 1: Square had to go to get that Super Bowl. Another
[16:50] Speaker 1: team had to go over to He had to go
[16:52] Speaker 1: over to Denver, and then he got one with Peyton Manning.
[16:54] Speaker 1: You got a super Bowl. Finally. Teams here don't get
[16:56] Speaker 1: super Bowls and so you can have great careers. I
[17:00] Speaker 1: don't think Dak will see the whole thing because I
[17:04] Speaker 1: just don't think there's much evidence of other than I mean,
[17:07] Speaker 1: and Marino at least made it to the Super Bowl.
[17:10] Speaker 1: I mean, and you have to put up massive numbers
[17:13] Speaker 1: for ten or fifteen years like he did, and Dak
[17:17] Speaker 1: won't do that. I mean, Dak's not man and sadly
[17:19] Speaker 1: Dak to your point, I mean, he is playing great,
[17:24] Speaker 1: but and I know quarterbacks are playing better into their
[17:26] Speaker 1: mid thirties now, but are they really gonna get this
[17:30] Speaker 1: thing turned around and be good in his next two years?
[17:34] Speaker 1: I don't know, Mason. Maybe it's hurt a lot too.
[17:36] Speaker 1: Don't forgot Jackson Dart. The Giants went from pathetic to
[17:41] Speaker 1: very interesting. This is a weird league. Washington last year
[17:44] Speaker 1: was great, Now what are they? Bears were untenable. Now
[17:49] Speaker 1: they're three and two. This is a weird league.
[17:51] Speaker 2: Like if you have the quarterback, and Dak is clearly
[17:54] Speaker 2: a top twelve quarterback, you can get better really fast
[17:57] Speaker 2: in this league. Like really, I mean, seet could be
[18:01] Speaker 2: undefeated right now. Darnold's better than Geno. I mean it's
[18:04] Speaker 2: I think if you have Dac and you have CD
[18:08] Speaker 2: and then I mean, let's say you go in the
[18:11] Speaker 2: draft or two first and you get an edge rusher
[18:13] Speaker 2: and a top corner second round, you get an elite
[18:15] Speaker 2: tight end. Those three guys inserted into the starting lineup.
[18:18] Speaker 2: Dallas is a real team. They already have top corners.
[18:21] Speaker 1: They're paying huge money to their quarterbacks and they're not playing.
[18:25] Speaker 1: They're not any good. So I don't know if you
[18:27] Speaker 1: go yeah, I mean, it's and where you can't totally
[18:31] Speaker 1: come around them. Dak Is, When I hear you say
[18:34] Speaker 1: he's a top twelve quarterback, it doesn't come naturally out
[18:37] Speaker 1: of you to say what he did, which is a
[18:40] Speaker 1: top eight quarterback.
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[20:13] Speaker 2: you're beyond this. As you know Texas College football very well.
[20:22] Speaker 2: I threw this out a month ago, I said in
[20:26] Speaker 2: a weird way. Arch Manning taking all the Arrows.
[20:31] Speaker 1: This year.
[20:33] Speaker 2: Has actually taken the pressure off Sark. I mean Texas
[20:37] Speaker 2: runs through football coaches and you know, Sarks building this
[20:42] Speaker 2: thing up and Art struggling. Nobody's talking about Sarks. Sark's
[20:46] Speaker 2: not getting any heat in these games. And it's like
[20:49] Speaker 2: it's a good reprieve because the old line's been bad.
[20:52] Speaker 2: Arch has struggled. How does that get covered where you're at?
[20:56] Speaker 2: The arch Man because I don't think he's a bust.
[20:59] Speaker 2: I just think I said this when the Athletic came
[21:01] Speaker 2: out with that Arch Manning is the biggest flop ever.
[21:04] Speaker 2: And I went back to his senior year of high school.
[21:07] Speaker 2: I took the four best quarterbacks. One is a hit
[21:12] Speaker 2: Dante Moore, Nico Iamaliava. One gets Now at Auburn, there's
[21:17] Speaker 2: arch man As you know because you follow some high
[21:19] Speaker 2: school recruiting, these spot star quarterbacks. If it's a if
[21:23] Speaker 2: it's a fifty percent hit rate, I'm shocked. How is
[21:29] Speaker 2: how is arch viewed in Texas?
[21:30] Speaker 1: Is it?
[21:30] Speaker 2: You know? Mannings aren't Texans, but Texas football is you know,
[21:35] Speaker 2: kind of king. How does that does that story get
[21:37] Speaker 2: me play?
[21:38] Speaker 1: Where you're at? Yeah? I mean it's huge play and
[21:42] Speaker 1: the great thing for him and Sark is he had
[21:46] Speaker 1: a decent day against ou. Yeah, and in this part
[21:50] Speaker 1: of the world, that defines you. I mean, you probably
[21:53] Speaker 1: don't remember Peter Gardair, but he went four and oh
[21:57] Speaker 1: against the Sooners, and so he's a made man. Never
[22:00] Speaker 1: pay for a drink in Austin and so. And you know,
[22:04] Speaker 1: Arch is held to a completely different standard than even
[22:08] Speaker 1: the top you know, five stars. We see five stars
[22:11] Speaker 1: all the time that don't meet expectations and then have
[22:14] Speaker 1: to bounce around and nobody keeps bringing it up. People
[22:18] Speaker 1: just kind of forget about them. But his uncles were incredible,
[22:22] Speaker 1: his his his grandfather is beloved. He had you know,
[22:28] Speaker 1: there was almost a no win situation. He had to
[22:32] Speaker 1: come in and be brilliant in his first time ever
[22:36] Speaker 1: starting with the team. The best thing I can hear
[22:38] Speaker 1: about Arch is his teammates absolutely seem to love him.
[22:42] Speaker 1: And you do see at times when people like, by
[22:47] Speaker 1: the way this Cowboys team is turning on this defensive
[22:49] Speaker 1: coordinator and and and they're starting to rip on him.
[22:52] Speaker 1: When a team's going poorly and a quarterback's going poorly,
[22:56] Speaker 1: you start to hear whispers from their teammates and that's
[23:00] Speaker 1: not happening in Austin. And by the way, it's an
[23:03] Speaker 1: easy place to whisper because you can find those kids
[23:07] Speaker 1: out on Sixth Street. You can go find them and
[23:09] Speaker 1: you can get them talking, all right, but they're they're
[23:11] Speaker 1: not talking about Arch and they seem to love him.
[23:15] Speaker 1: And so he seems to have gotten pasted, at least
[23:17] Speaker 1: with his own teammates. This born with the silver spoon
[23:21] Speaker 1: in his mouth. I don't think a teammates think of
[23:24] Speaker 1: him that way. Well, but everybody else that watches the
[23:27] Speaker 1: team and even covers the team does kind of see him.
[23:31] Speaker 2: Now I can say I know Cooper very well. I
[23:35] Speaker 2: casually know Eli. I've only met Peyton once, but I
[23:39] Speaker 2: have dealings with Omaha Productions, which is, you know, a
[23:42] Speaker 2: Peyton I have never thought. I think the Mannings are
[23:46] Speaker 2: remarkably humble. I mean, just Eli maybe the most. I
[23:52] Speaker 2: mean think about this, A Louisiana kid goes to New
[23:55] Speaker 2: York and for like twenty years completely only Jeter maybe
[23:59] Speaker 2: handle the US better. Eli handles the New York Press
[24:03] Speaker 2: for two decades perfectly. Eli is one of the great
[24:08] Speaker 2: guys that has ever been in pro sports as a
[24:11] Speaker 2: human being. I mean he went to New York as
[24:14] Speaker 2: a Southern kid and charmed him and by the way,
[24:17] Speaker 2: totally authentic. Nothing's fake Eli. The three times I've been
[24:21] Speaker 2: around him, he's the exact same.
[24:22] Speaker 1: Guy, by the way, with and I hope you you
[24:25] Speaker 1: have so many associations it's hard to know, so I
[24:28] Speaker 1: hope I'm not gonna rip some guy that his buddies
[24:30] Speaker 1: with you. But t Key was undermining him like crazy
[24:34] Speaker 1: early on, was the stuff he was calling him in
[24:36] Speaker 1: the huddle like but I mean, I remember showing up
[24:40] Speaker 1: there when I was at ESPN dot com and they
[24:43] Speaker 1: were they were having to basically give the guy like
[24:46] Speaker 1: body language classes, like Eli, stop making this face, stop
[24:52] Speaker 1: lowering your head, do it this way. You can't hang
[24:55] Speaker 1: dog it like that, because that's just who he was.
[24:57] Speaker 1: That's just the man. And of course then he has
[25:00] Speaker 1: an incredible two thousand and seven run. Then he has
[25:03] Speaker 1: another Super Bowl run, and then he's a make man.
[25:05] Speaker 1: And it didn't finish well, but he did enough to
[25:08] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you should have seen te Key the
[25:10] Speaker 1: stuff he was like he was being. I mean, they
[25:13] Speaker 1: were awful to Eli. It was like they're pledging him. Man.
[25:16] Speaker 1: It was like when you were trying to go Sigma
[25:18] Speaker 1: Kai or whatever. They were all over him and and
[25:21] Speaker 1: he was uh. And that was a rough time early
[25:24] Speaker 1: in his time because he was the number one bonus
[25:27] Speaker 1: baby and his dad had taken over and uh and
[25:31] Speaker 1: gotten him to be drafted in a different place. And
[25:35] Speaker 1: that as we see with you know, any any of
[25:38] Speaker 1: these quarterbacks who have famous dads, then you have to
[25:40] Speaker 1: wear that for a while, you know, in the league.
[25:43] Speaker 1: But to your point, I used to. I used to
[25:45] Speaker 1: get in the car and ride around with Eli and
[25:48] Speaker 1: do stories on him at the Giant's practice, and it
[25:52] Speaker 1: couldn't You're right, he to be from this famous family,
[25:56] Speaker 1: and I saw him in social situations where people were
[26:00] Speaker 1: trying to flood around him, and he was truly it
[26:03] Speaker 1: wasn't like just he was playing possum. He was almost
[26:06] Speaker 1: kind of like troubled by it. So what I love
[26:08] Speaker 1: now is that he's very funny, Like he and Hayton
[26:11] Speaker 1: are perfect together. Genuinely. Yeah, it isn't that the perfect thing?
[26:15] Speaker 1: They failed? Why put yourself through the ringer of having
[26:18] Speaker 1: to do a three hour game every Sunday and do
[26:22] Speaker 1: all that? Why not just sit there and goof off
[26:25] Speaker 1: for a game? And they're great at it, and you know,
[26:28] Speaker 1: I find myself watching that more than the actual game.
[26:32] Speaker 2: So how are you doing, my man? I mean, we
[26:34] Speaker 2: don't get a talk. You know, we're both busy as hell.
[26:37] Speaker 2: Are you still doing that? Are you still doing that
[26:40] Speaker 2: ESPN radio show down.
[26:42] Speaker 1: In by Yeah, Central Texas, that whole area I left.
[26:47] Speaker 1: I've got a new YouTube show through Rogue Media. Appreciate
[26:51] Speaker 1: you asking me the Matt Moseley Show, so people can
[26:54] Speaker 1: find it wherever they find out. And you know, I
[26:56] Speaker 1: thought about this when you said something about being syndicated. Now,
[27:00] Speaker 1: my syndication doesn't quite go to as many states as
[27:03] Speaker 1: you do, but several states across the Southwest. Now, I'm
[27:06] Speaker 1: a part of something called the E Radio Network, and
[27:09] Speaker 1: so I do a radio show that hits all the
[27:12] Speaker 1: Fox and ESPN affiliates in about five states in the morning,
[27:17] Speaker 1: and by afternoon I do this YouTube show. So we're
[27:21] Speaker 1: all doing YouTube shows now. I saw Michael Irvin is
[27:24] Speaker 1: doing one, and I know your production staff, Josh and
[27:26] Speaker 1: the whole gang were very impressed that I actually went
[27:29] Speaker 1: out and I bought myself like a tracking camera and
[27:32] Speaker 1: all the things that you need to really, you know,
[27:35] Speaker 1: really act like a grown up in this business.
[27:36] Speaker 2: So yeah, and now for our next segment, Whiskey Business. Yes,
[27:41] Speaker 2: Whiskey Business, brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the
[27:43] Speaker 2: official whiskey of the Colin Coward Podcast. I want to
[27:47] Speaker 2: go back to the mica trade. So there's a lot
[27:52] Speaker 2: of finger pointing and a lot of my audience isn't
[27:55] Speaker 2: in Dallas, right, And I've always leaned on guys like
[27:58] Speaker 2: you who know you know, you're You're a soldier, You're
[28:01] Speaker 2: a foot soldier, you're in the belly, you know of
[28:05] Speaker 2: this beast, the cowboys. When the mica trade went down,
[28:08] Speaker 2: people overwhelmingly didn't like it. But can we blame anybody?
[28:12] Speaker 3: Now?
[28:13] Speaker 1: Was it?
[28:13] Speaker 2: I mean, because because the national press was basically Jerry
[28:16] Speaker 2: doesn't know what he's doing. And my take is, you're
[28:19] Speaker 2: not one of the richest Americans. It's almost like I
[28:22] Speaker 2: always tell people about Trump, whether you like him or not,
[28:26] Speaker 2: what he's done in the Middle East, with the border
[28:28] Speaker 2: he won for a second time, pretty competitive country. He
[28:31] Speaker 2: can't be a dope. There's got to be the light
[28:34] Speaker 2: bulb's got to be on most of the time. Jerry's
[28:38] Speaker 2: been too rich, too successful, too smart in business to
[28:42] Speaker 2: not know what he's doing in that deal. He knows
[28:45] Speaker 2: when the money doesn't sound right. I defended it because
[28:48] Speaker 2: Micah in big playoff games and in big games sometimes
[28:51] Speaker 2: disappeared and was engulfed by the better left tackles.
[28:54] Speaker 1: How did it play? Is there?
[28:56] Speaker 2: If you look at it now in hindsight, could it
[28:59] Speaker 2: have ever? I mean, they didn't make him an offer.
[29:02] Speaker 3: Matt.
[29:06] Speaker 1: We don't know. I mean, I don't even know he
[29:10] Speaker 1: made him an offer. And that's where the thing fell
[29:12] Speaker 1: apart is because it came across to the agent and
[29:16] Speaker 1: Micah later on that Jerry tried to take advantage of him,
[29:21] Speaker 1: and that's where the thing went south. Jerry thought he
[29:25] Speaker 1: had a deal with him and it was gonna be
[29:27] Speaker 1: a massive deal. I don't think it was going to
[29:29] Speaker 1: be as good as a deal as he got with
[29:30] Speaker 1: the Packers. The shocking thing about this is Jerry's never
[29:35] Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they had the Hearschel Walker trade and
[29:38] Speaker 1: all that, but he's never had like a guy who's
[29:41] Speaker 1: arguably the best defensive player in the NFL. He's never
[29:45] Speaker 1: let a superstar get away. I mean, he did a
[29:49] Speaker 1: horrible deal with Zeke. I think he just honestly flat
[29:52] Speaker 1: out got tired of getting beat on these deals. He
[29:56] Speaker 1: makes you know, CDs the highest paid receiver, second hight
[29:59] Speaker 1: paper receiver in the game, that's the highest paid quarterback.
[30:03] Speaker 1: I think Jerry saw an opportunity to, in his mind,
[30:07] Speaker 1: go a different direction here, and they just made each
[30:11] Speaker 1: other mad. I think he embarrassed and tried to make
[30:15] Speaker 1: Micah look like a guy who was confused and didn't
[30:19] Speaker 1: understand the business. Okay, and then I think all that
[30:23] Speaker 1: stuff Micah did, I mean, I still think it could
[30:26] Speaker 1: have they could have gotten a deal done. And then
[30:28] Speaker 1: Micah went to camp and I was there, and Micah
[30:31] Speaker 1: started showing people up and and and getting on and
[30:36] Speaker 1: taking naps and lying down on the trainer table or
[30:40] Speaker 1: you know, training table on the during a game. I
[30:44] Speaker 1: think both sides kind of embarrassed each other and then
[30:49] Speaker 1: they moved on. Now what I what I wonder about
[30:52] Speaker 1: is when a guy gets traded, you'll start hearing leaks
[30:56] Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's a bad guy, or he
[30:58] Speaker 1: was immature and he was this and that. I will say,
[31:01] Speaker 1: you talk about me being there and I watched him
[31:05] Speaker 1: and he was trying to be a leader, like I'm
[31:07] Speaker 1: not saying he was great at it, but Micah I
[31:10] Speaker 1: was at his locker almost every single game, and while
[31:14] Speaker 1: other players were slinking out of there after a lot
[31:17] Speaker 1: of those losses last year, Micah was trying. Now he
[31:20] Speaker 1: would screw up and accidentally throw his coach under the bus,
[31:23] Speaker 1: like he had moments where he messed up, and he
[31:26] Speaker 1: sounded like a twenty four year old kid or twenty
[31:28] Speaker 1: five whatever he is. But man, he I think he
[31:32] Speaker 1: tried more than they're letting on. And I think he's
[31:37] Speaker 1: I think, deep down, even with all the money, I
[31:40] Speaker 1: think people going out forty seven million, who cares. He's fine,
[31:43] Speaker 1: he's with the Packers. I think his feelings are hurt.
[31:47] Speaker 1: And I think Jerry tried to make him look bad,
[31:50] Speaker 1: and Jerry embarrassed him, and Jerry embarrassed the agent. I mean,
[31:55] Speaker 1: Jerry now has to turn around trying to get a
[31:57] Speaker 1: dill done with Mulgeta on George Pikett's that's who That's
[32:00] Speaker 1: who Pickens agent is. He's now got to turn around.
[32:03] Speaker 1: And Jerry not only embarrassed the player, but Jerry took
[32:08] Speaker 1: aim at that agent. And that's just unnecessary. Why do
[32:12] Speaker 1: you do that? Like, dude, I've been with all those Rangers,
[32:15] Speaker 1: GMS and covered baseball for many years, and do you
[32:19] Speaker 1: think all of them hated Boris? Sure, there was a
[32:22] Speaker 1: time when Scott Boris was the most hated man in
[32:26] Speaker 1: all the sports. But they knew they had to deal
[32:28] Speaker 1: with him. They knew if they wanted great players, they
[32:30] Speaker 1: had to deal with him. Well, Jerry just decided, Yeah,
[32:34] Speaker 1: we'll just I'll just I'll just I'm just gonna piss
[32:37] Speaker 1: this guy off. I'm just gonna I'm gonna basically speak
[32:41] Speaker 1: to the character and the and the and I mean
[32:44] Speaker 1: just completely undermine the agent and everything. So that's where
[32:50] Speaker 1: Jerry did some weird stuff on this thing. Now I'm
[32:53] Speaker 1: with you in some respects. I want to see how
[32:56] Speaker 1: the trade plays out. But what fuels this tray, it's
[33:00] Speaker 1: the wrong stuff. What fuels Jerry is this eternal deal
[33:07] Speaker 1: to try to prove that he can do it without
[33:09] Speaker 1: Jimmy and so don't when he brought up the Herschel
[33:14] Speaker 1: trade immediately the night the trade was announced with Micah,
[33:18] Speaker 1: that's what all this is about. You realize that these
[33:21] Speaker 1: are two old men in their eighties still trying to
[33:25] Speaker 1: get back at each other. Yeah, and they'll make up
[33:29] Speaker 1: and they act like they love each other and they'll
[33:31] Speaker 1: cry on camera and all this. But you know what,
[33:35] Speaker 1: when Jimmy saw how that thing turned out Netflix, Jimmy
[33:38] Speaker 1: was like, that's just Jerry trying to rewrite history Jared.
[33:42] Speaker 1: He I guarantee you he looked at that whole thing
[33:45] Speaker 1: as a love letter to Jared, and he thinks a
[33:49] Speaker 1: lot of that stuff that came out in that documentary
[33:51] Speaker 1: was just made up complete bs. The bet the guy
[33:55] Speaker 1: who looked the best was Switzer. Yeah, Switzer ends up
[33:59] Speaker 1: looking like and I had Switzerland on the other day,
[34:01] Speaker 1: and he's still unbelievable his mind. You ought to have
[34:05] Speaker 1: him on soon. His mind at age eighty eight. He
[34:07] Speaker 1: just turned eighty eight. It's unbelievable, and he's funny. Now
[34:11] Speaker 1: he may say some stuff get everybody in trouble, but
[34:15] Speaker 1: Switzer actually looked okay at that documentary. But I think
[34:19] Speaker 1: that documentary's going to get Jimmy and Jerry back at
[34:24] Speaker 1: loggerheads again, and so they'll just go off into their
[34:27] Speaker 1: eighties still mad at each other, because at the end
[34:29] Speaker 1: of the day, that's all Jerry's trying to do is
[34:33] Speaker 1: win one without Jimmy and he's never been able to
[34:36] Speaker 1: do it for thirty years, even even Washington. At least
[34:41] Speaker 1: you had Washington that had been forever since they had
[34:45] Speaker 1: been to the NFC title game. They go to one
[34:47] Speaker 1: with Jay Daniels, and you say, I heard you say, like, well,
[34:50] Speaker 1: we don't know what Washington is right now. You know what, though,
[34:54] Speaker 1: they appear to have a quarterback who's going to be
[34:57] Speaker 1: there for a decade. They're going to have fun. Same
[35:01] Speaker 1: thing with New York. The Giants may win six games
[35:04] Speaker 1: this year, they may win five games, but they're kind
[35:06] Speaker 1: of interesting. All of a sudden, Dark's running around. I mean,
[35:10] Speaker 1: he's doing a Baker Mayfield impression. He's probably a better
[35:14] Speaker 1: athlete than Baker, but they kind of are built alike.
[35:17] Speaker 1: The delivery seems alike. He play has a better arm
[35:21] Speaker 1: than Baker, but they're kind of alike in the way
[35:24] Speaker 1: they approach it and the fun they're having. Those organizations
[35:28] Speaker 1: all have something to look forward to. I mean, I'll
[35:31] Speaker 1: tell you who doesn't have sympathy for the Eagles fans
[35:34] Speaker 1: or the Cowboys fans. The Eagles fans have been to
[35:36] Speaker 1: two They've won two Super Bowls in the past decade,
[35:40] Speaker 1: and they're all whining and crying. Our offense looks bad.
[35:44] Speaker 1: Now Jay's not happy and Jayleen's not throwing the ball
[35:47] Speaker 1: for that much. Well, the last group that will ever
[35:50] Speaker 1: sympathize with them is anybody who's been around this Cowboys team,
[35:55] Speaker 1: because they Hawie Roseman. And I think you said it.
[35:57] Speaker 1: I think you're the one who said it. And I
[35:59] Speaker 1: was talking to people from Philadelphia and they agree. I had.
[36:02] Speaker 1: I talked with southpal just the other day that dude's
[36:05] Speaker 1: going the whole thing. Howie Roseman is going to the
[36:10] Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I mean, he was
[36:13] Speaker 1: lucky if he had a cubicle and Chip Kelly was there.
[36:16] Speaker 1: You know, they put it. They basically treated him like
[36:18] Speaker 1: the movie The Office, and they just say, hey, can
[36:21] Speaker 1: you We need you to go down to the basement
[36:23] Speaker 1: for a little while. And now he's going to go
[36:24] Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. And Jerry's just kind of still out,
[36:27] Speaker 1: just you know, wandering around in the darkness.
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[36:53] Speaker 1: Hey, one thing, by the way, you're not talking about
[36:58] Speaker 1: these Aggies. Boy, You and I know anytime we talk
[37:02] Speaker 1: off air, you're like, hey, I know you think ut
[37:05] Speaker 1: is the is the is the straw that stirs the drink? Oh,
[37:09] Speaker 1: my lord, in this state right now, you've got that.
[37:12] Speaker 1: You've got this perfect mixture of a struggling Longhorns number
[37:17] Speaker 1: one to unranked to whatever the right now Aggie's could be,
[37:24] Speaker 1: could be a national contender, national title contend are headed
[37:28] Speaker 1: toward the playoffs.
[37:29] Speaker 2: Even the r East local years, they always look the part.
[37:32] Speaker 1: They're always big.
[37:32] Speaker 2: They have NFL lineman, players, linebackers, receivers, they've always had
[37:38] Speaker 2: good players. They didn't they haven't had a lot of
[37:39] Speaker 2: great quarterbacks, but they've always had you know, the Texas
[37:43] Speaker 2: A and M has looked the part my entire life.
[37:47] Speaker 1: They need this guy just to be average. This that's how.
[37:50] Speaker 1: That's how good some of these linemen. You talk about
[37:53] Speaker 1: one trip to college station would would really do you
[37:56] Speaker 1: some good. And I'm telling you this cash is how
[38:01] Speaker 1: like these these linemen they're just running them through somebody
[38:05] Speaker 1: named Regis and they're just running through NFL lineman and
[38:08] Speaker 1: I get it now. The difference is they're great. They're
[38:12] Speaker 1: actually really good on the old line. They're really good
[38:15] Speaker 1: at running back, and they get the best receiving duo
[38:17] Speaker 1: in the country right now. It's scary if they go
[38:20] Speaker 1: to Death Valley and beat LSU. We're I mean, this
[38:24] Speaker 1: is this is a whole different trajectory. And maybe this
[38:27] Speaker 1: coach kind of has a little something going. He loves
[38:30] Speaker 1: a good hoodie. He's kind of he just fits them
[38:33] Speaker 1: so much better than Jimbo. Jimbo is the most aloof dude.
[38:37] Speaker 1: He for some reason, Jimbo just didn't fit at all.
[38:42] Speaker 1: And this this, I mean this, Mike Ilko, he's got
[38:46] Speaker 1: something going on. You know. He's got me wanting to
[38:49] Speaker 1: wear hoodies.
[38:51] Speaker 2: Well, I'm in I live in Chicago now, so that's
[38:53] Speaker 2: all I wear. I'm going to get out of this dress.
[38:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're you're still in the deal where you
[38:58] Speaker 1: can wear like a thin guy hoodie like Elko and
[39:00] Speaker 1: I have to have the we got to have a
[39:02] Speaker 1: big hoodie to take us in. But the thin, the
[39:05] Speaker 1: thin hoodie looks great on golfers and everything. I would
[39:08] Speaker 1: love there was a time I could pull it off,
[39:11] Speaker 1: but we will pass that.
[39:12] Speaker 2: Matt Mosley, say hi to Ed the Doomsday Podcast. How
[39:16] Speaker 2: often do you do that thing? A couple of times
[39:18] Speaker 2: a week ninety minutes.
[39:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we hit that thing pretty hard for it.
[39:25] Speaker 1: We just needed cowboys to be horrible or really good.
[39:28] Speaker 1: We just can't have them be in the middle. But
[39:30] Speaker 1: we do that a couple of times. We'll have some
[39:32] Speaker 1: big interviews, we'll do it after the post game, and
[39:35] Speaker 1: then we have a whole bunch of other stuff we do.
[39:37] Speaker 1: But yeah, Ed's I mean, I you know, would it
[39:40] Speaker 1: be easier if I had like one hundred and fifty
[39:42] Speaker 1: employees than having one employee in Ed? You bet, you bet.
[39:47] Speaker 1: I would rather. I would rather try to have about
[39:50] Speaker 1: one hundred. No, Ed's great, and we're doing fine, The
[39:54] Speaker 1: Doomsday Podcast continues.
[39:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been doing it for how many years?
[39:58] Speaker 1: Seven or eight years.
[40:00] Speaker 2: That's like a lot of years to do a podcast. Yeah, no,
[40:04] Speaker 2: it is they you know, it's funny. Maybe it's just
[40:10] Speaker 2: the popularity of football, but I still find myself Dallas
[40:18] Speaker 2: is such an interesting brand because sometimes I don't I
[40:27] Speaker 2: don't know you know, Jerry has always supported Dak, and
[40:32] Speaker 2: one of the reasons I think he's supported him is
[40:36] Speaker 2: because Jerry fears irrelevance and Dak's good enough to always
[40:41] Speaker 2: make you relevant. I mean, you look in this league,
[40:43] Speaker 2: there's about seven teams every year that are unwatchable. The
[40:49] Speaker 2: Cowboys are watchable. I didn't think this was going to
[40:51] Speaker 2: be the year, but they're always watchable. There's a world
[40:55] Speaker 2: that exists that Ceedee Lamb comes back the online meshes
[41:00] Speaker 2: and they win like nine games. That's a real thing.
[41:04] Speaker 2: I mean, I've watched every snap of every game. They're
[41:06] Speaker 2: a CD LAMB drop from having beaten Philadelphia. They played
[41:11] Speaker 2: they played a horrible game against Chicago, the defense was
[41:14] Speaker 2: just lost. But that they're in everything. Like they play
[41:17] Speaker 2: Washington this weekend. That thing could be thirty three to
[41:20] Speaker 2: thirty coin flip either way. I mean, I just watched
[41:23] Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and DeAndre Swift dash I mean DeAndre Swift
[41:28] Speaker 2: the holes created by the Bears O line against Washington.
[41:33] Speaker 2: Dallas is going to drop twenty eight to thirty points on.
[41:35] Speaker 1: Washington and they have to do it. They have to
[41:40] Speaker 1: score thirty to thirty five game and to your point,
[41:44] Speaker 1: the high wire act of watching them attempt to do
[41:47] Speaker 1: it is kind of fun, and then they're capable of
[41:51] Speaker 1: doing it, and we're The point you made earlier was
[41:55] Speaker 1: a great one, and that Dak and used to be
[41:57] Speaker 1: Romo could do this, and Dak could. Romo used to
[42:01] Speaker 1: elevate bad offensive lines and kind of subpar offenses, and
[42:06] Speaker 1: he made some receivers a ton of money. Dak in
[42:10] Speaker 1: chapter eleven, I think you called it, has found a
[42:13] Speaker 1: way to do that. And in that one game where
[42:17] Speaker 1: they went out and went crazy against the Jets, No,
[42:19] Speaker 1: the Jets are dreadful, but four starting offensive linemen out
[42:25] Speaker 1: and it didn't matter. The ball was coming out, and
[42:28] Speaker 1: you got to give Shatty some credit for that. The
[42:30] Speaker 1: thing I hate for Shady it's like you with pitchers,
[42:34] Speaker 1: especially this time of year. We talked about give him
[42:36] Speaker 1: a clean inning, get the reliever. Wish we give him
[42:38] Speaker 1: a clean inning. Wish he could have had a clean
[42:40] Speaker 1: start to his head coaching career. Wish about five days
[42:44] Speaker 1: before that, they didn't trade his best player to see
[42:48] Speaker 1: what he could have done with a full arsenal of players.
[42:52] Speaker 1: Because this marriage is not working and poor. They cleaned
[42:56] Speaker 1: up Ibra Flus's haircut when he was in Chico, Kago.
[43:00] Speaker 1: They got his wife, got him closely cropped, and she
[43:03] Speaker 1: got some good things going there. But he lost his
[43:05] Speaker 1: coaching career. He's lost his way well, and he can't
[43:09] Speaker 1: can't find it. And there's nobody to turn this thing
[43:11] Speaker 1: over to because he brought people with it. Yeah, they
[43:13] Speaker 1: let I mean the same people that were with him
[43:15] Speaker 1: when he felled in Chicago or with him now. I
[43:18] Speaker 1: don't think there's I do not think this defense is fixable.
[43:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, Eberflus. You know, listen, we know coordinators often get
[43:28] Speaker 2: elevated to head coaches and they're just not built for it.
[43:32] Speaker 2: And there's probably a few position coaches that get elevated
[43:35] Speaker 2: to coordinators and they're not built for it. Failure, you know,
[43:40] Speaker 2: it's it's it's just part of football. I mean, I
[43:44] Speaker 2: say this all the time. Jason McIntyre and I talked
[43:47] Speaker 2: about it the other day. He asked, who's the next
[43:49] Speaker 2: great automatic higher? So when the Broncos hired Peyton, you
[43:52] Speaker 2: knew it would work. When the Chargers hired Harbaugh, you.
[43:57] Speaker 1: Knew it would work.
[43:58] Speaker 2: I argued in the off season, and the Patriots were
[44:00] Speaker 2: going to double their win total. Mike Vrabel was gonna
[44:03] Speaker 2: work about every other year. I mean, Mike McCarthy to
[44:07] Speaker 2: Dallas was going to have some success. He's a solid coach.
[44:11] Speaker 1: He and Aaron. Aaron can be hard to get along
[44:13] Speaker 1: with it.
[44:14] Speaker 2: It's funny if Schottenheimer leaves. So McIntyre asked this question,
[44:19] Speaker 2: who's the guarant and there's about one every other year
[44:22] Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, yeah, that'll win games. Peyton, Harbaugh,
[44:25] Speaker 2: Vrabel McCarthy. If I said to you, Brian Schottenheimer lasts
[44:31] Speaker 2: a year, is there a name I gotta I'll throw
[44:35] Speaker 2: it out at you. You're gonna think I'm crazy here.
[44:37] Speaker 2: You're gonna think I'm crazy. Belichick look to do. Bill
[44:45] Speaker 2: Belichick taking over. Bill Belichick takes over the Dallas Cowboys
[44:53] Speaker 2: college is a disaster. He doesn't fit. He doesn't have
[44:56] Speaker 2: a college sensibility. Belichick, by the way, is not good
[45:00] Speaker 2: with personnel, and that you could go to him and say, Bill,
[45:03] Speaker 2: we do not trust you on personnel.
[45:04] Speaker 1: We need a coach that nuts only No, it wouldn't
[45:10] Speaker 1: have been. But I think he's embarrassed himself and I
[45:14] Speaker 1: think he's hurt his credibility so bad. He hasn't damaged
[45:17] Speaker 1: his legacy that will always be there. But he can't.
[45:22] Speaker 1: I don't see him leading the team and the fits
[45:25] Speaker 1: not good because the guy he learned from and he
[45:29] Speaker 1: came up under Bill Parcells has already been with the Cowboys.
[45:32] Speaker 1: And let me tell you, and I love Bill and
[45:34] Speaker 1: still keep in touch with him. That was the most
[45:37] Speaker 1: miserable I ever saw Jerry. Jerry cannot function in a
[45:43] Speaker 1: world with a head coach like that. So and to
[45:49] Speaker 1: your point about McCarthy, isn't that funny? You know what
[45:52] Speaker 1: I'm seeing right now? When you say who are going
[45:54] Speaker 1: to be the hot coach in the NFL, his name
[45:57] Speaker 1: is one of the first ones you see. It's same
[46:00] Speaker 1: things James Franklin. Right now, he bottoms out with Penn State,
[46:04] Speaker 1: and by the time these hires are made, Franklin's gonna
[46:07] Speaker 1: seem like this incredible choice for these SEC openings, right
[46:11] Speaker 1: Florida Auburn, Franklin wanted Vandy. He's coaching the SEC like
[46:16] Speaker 1: Franklin's going to be a hot name and he just
[46:20] Speaker 1: he just bottomed out three of the worst weeks in
[46:23] Speaker 1: the history of college football. But yeah, that's a fascinating
[46:27] Speaker 1: thing to imagine Belichick. But Jerry likes having a good
[46:33] Speaker 1: time too much to put up with having a bad
[46:37] Speaker 1: time to have a good time, if you know what
[46:40] Speaker 1: I mean, Belichick, he can't. Yeah, and now he would
[46:46] Speaker 1: like the Jordan Hudson aspect of it. Jerry would like that.
[46:49] Speaker 1: He would like some of the side show if some
[46:52] Speaker 1: of that came to town. But dealing he would not want.
[46:58] Speaker 1: I mean, Bill wouldn't want an owner out there. Now
[47:01] Speaker 1: here's the thing. Shot He's doing well enough as an
[47:04] Speaker 1: offensive coach that Jerry's kind of excited. So Jerry is
[47:10] Speaker 1: in the mindset right now of if we just get
[47:13] Speaker 1: if we do something to get the defense going. We
[47:16] Speaker 1: can do this with Shoddy. We could do this with
[47:18] Speaker 1: Shoddy because there's a belief right now with a way
[47:22] Speaker 1: DA's playing that they found the perfect guy for Dak.
[47:27] Speaker 1: So there won't be a firing after this season. I know,
[47:30] Speaker 1: I remember you saying maybe Shoty could be one and done.
[47:34] Speaker 1: But shot he's doing too well on offense. He's doing
[47:36] Speaker 1: too well on offense to get fired. So they have
[47:39] Speaker 1: to go with their third defensive coordinator in the last
[47:44] Speaker 1: three years. They cannot hire defensive coordinators. They're horrific at it.
[47:48] Speaker 1: Mike Nolan was horrible, Quinn had a pretty good run.
[47:52] Speaker 1: Quinn gets hired to be a head coach. Then they
[47:54] Speaker 1: have two more bad ones. They had Rob Ryan before
[47:58] Speaker 1: Marinelli and Monte Kiffin. That was a rough That was
[48:01] Speaker 1: kind of a rough scene. They were kind of you know,
[48:03] Speaker 1: they were past their prime. They're right, really just can't
[48:06] Speaker 1: They're horrible at it. You know what, By the way,
[48:10] Speaker 1: isn't it interesting.
[48:11] Speaker 3: That that Garrett's never gotten another opportunity because it's like,
[48:16] Speaker 3: if you're decent with the Cowboys and you win a
[48:20] Speaker 3: ton of games, and I promise you when they interviewed
[48:23] Speaker 3: him for the Falcons and the Ravens before he got
[48:26] Speaker 3: the Cowboys job, he.
[48:27] Speaker 1: Blew them all away, like they were they were blown
[48:31] Speaker 1: away by Garrett. But I guess his his time as
[48:35] Speaker 1: the office coordinator with Giants just kind of ruined his reputation.
[48:39] Speaker 2: I think, yes, I think Jason Garrett is one of
[48:42] Speaker 2: the few NFL coaches that would work very well in college.
[48:46] Speaker 2: I think he's a very pleasant guy. He's very bright,
[48:50] Speaker 2: kind of a gentle personality. He'd play to the ad
[48:54] Speaker 2: the donors. I think if Jason Garrett wanted wanted a
[48:59] Speaker 2: college job. I mean, let's say, for instance, Michigan doesn't
[49:02] Speaker 2: work for more, it just doesn't work. Jason Garrett. I've
[49:07] Speaker 2: said this, there's a personality matters a lot as a
[49:10] Speaker 2: college coach. It matters not one bit as a pro coach,
[49:14] Speaker 2: but it does matter as a college coach. That's why
[49:17] Speaker 2: I VOA said John Gruden and Rex Ryan could work
[49:19] Speaker 2: as college coaches. Belichick and Parcels it wouldn't work. Saban's
[49:24] Speaker 2: actually charming, Saban's funny, He's witty, great storyteller. Jason Garrett
[49:29] Speaker 2: could work as a college coach. And especially I mean,
[49:32] Speaker 2: he's a really nice guy. I've texted him a few times.
[49:35] Speaker 2: If you told me, you know, Sark's not leaving. If
[49:39] Speaker 2: you told me you know, I'm just trying to think
[49:45] Speaker 2: of a you know, Tennessee's got the right coach, so
[49:47] Speaker 2: does Alabama. You know, if you told me Michigan was
[49:51] Speaker 2: open a big job. If Marcus Freeman ever left Notre Dame,
[49:54] Speaker 2: although I don't think he should or will. I think
[49:57] Speaker 2: Jason Garrett works collegiately. That's interesting. Yeah, I think you're
[50:04] Speaker 2: I think you're right in some ways.
[50:05] Speaker 1: If he had, if he could navigate the whole n
[50:09] Speaker 1: IO world.
[50:10] Speaker 2: Didn't he do notre name games? He's doing notre name games.
[50:13] Speaker 2: I mean, I've I've heard him doing that.
[50:14] Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, and he and he and he does
[50:17] Speaker 1: the NBC stuff. Yeah, it's it would just be I
[50:21] Speaker 1: think he thought he was going to get the offered
[50:24] Speaker 1: the duke job at one point and maybe maybe that
[50:27] Speaker 1: was when Elko got the job or something like that.
[50:31] Speaker 1: That would have been a perfect job for him. Any
[50:33] Speaker 1: sort of a CC that thinks of itself as like
[50:36] Speaker 1: an IVY League, That's that's where Garrett could function brilliantly.
[50:42] Speaker 1: And let's not you know you just Richard Michigan. They
[50:45] Speaker 1: think of themselves as like lofty academics, intellectuals. What do
[50:50] Speaker 1: they call those Michigan men.
[50:53] Speaker 2: Well like that, there's a there's a term, it's called
[50:57] Speaker 2: a something Ivy Penn State, Michigan both view themselves as
[51:03] Speaker 2: that like a non traditional IVY League school. The educational
[51:06] Speaker 2: level is very high. Yeah, No, I Garrett, Garrett could
[51:12] Speaker 2: do it. College football. You're you're watching it with Belichick
[51:16] Speaker 2: some of that harsh Northeast grumpy ship. It doesn't work.
[51:21] Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta shake hands you gotta know, you
[51:24] Speaker 2: gotta sometimes dance in the locker room with the players.
[51:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, do you know Macwill said, it's very rare. Yeah,
[51:35] Speaker 1: even to your point. Even the great Saban like had
[51:42] Speaker 1: players that would imitate him. Yes, and there was fun
[51:46] Speaker 1: stuff that was probably happening and we didn't always see it.
[51:49] Speaker 1: But now that you see that, he kind of can
[51:52] Speaker 1: be funny and can smile and all that. But it's
[51:55] Speaker 1: hard to run a program like that anymore. Though. It's
[51:58] Speaker 1: hard to be that authoritarian, just hard fist. I mean, like,
[52:02] Speaker 1: I wonder if Lanning, I know he got beat the
[52:04] Speaker 1: other day, is Signetti. I mean, that's that's the biggest
[52:07] Speaker 1: that's the craziest story the past twenty years in college football.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Some dude goes into I mean, he's winning at James Madison.
[52:14] Speaker 1: Who in the world would have ever known sixties. We
[52:17] Speaker 1: had no clue, none of us, And he tried to
[52:20] Speaker 1: tell us he is the at age sixty three or
[52:23] Speaker 1: sixty four, where kind of the I've seen people in
[52:26] Speaker 1: the Big twelve like this Climb and Lance Leipol. They
[52:29] Speaker 1: are good coaches, but they're just kind of the same
[52:32] Speaker 1: older tough dude. Signetti came in Cockier and all get out.
[52:36] Speaker 1: He's the cockiest coach in America. And he's like sixty
[52:40] Speaker 1: five and he's like, hey, google me. You think I
[52:42] Speaker 1: don't have to win? Google me? And he's and he's
[52:44] Speaker 1: just going out there and backed it up in Indiana,
[52:47] Speaker 1: like I mean, Colin, they're like great, they're linebackers, they're
[52:50] Speaker 1: defensive ends, they're like like I just thought it was
[52:53] Speaker 1: He's just great, got a great scheme. What's going on here?
[52:56] Speaker 1: And it's like, no, he's got great players. I still
[53:00] Speaker 1: think that Landing is pretty unbelievable. Yeah, I do. I mean,
[53:04] Speaker 1: and again, I don't know, I don't know if that
[53:06] Speaker 1: works it. I think that guy at Arizona State, and
[53:08] Speaker 1: I know they're losing right now, that guy's good too.
[53:11] Speaker 1: At the you're right though, at the collegiate level, that
[53:15] Speaker 1: psycho coach can work. And Dillingham's that guy that is
[53:19] Speaker 1: on State. Landing's that guy at Oregon. But but the
[53:24] Speaker 1: but you know what's the guy at Franklin just wore
[53:27] Speaker 1: out his welcome. He won a ton of games, but
[53:31] Speaker 1: he just couldn't he couldn't break through. And now and
[53:35] Speaker 1: again the next guy, there is no guarantee in the
[53:38] Speaker 1: world that the next guy breaks. So, because you know
[53:40] Speaker 1: who they're gonna try to go hire, They're going to
[53:42] Speaker 1: try to hire a Penn State man. They're going to
[53:44] Speaker 1: convince themselves we need Matt Ruhle. He played linebacker here
[53:49] Speaker 1: and he's the best at a at a at a
[53:52] Speaker 1: at a press conference in college football. He's the best.
[53:55] Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, he's he's done fine
[53:57] Speaker 1: at college, but I don't think that's knock it out
[54:00] Speaker 1: of the park higher for pin State. And I like Matt.
[54:03] Speaker 1: He turned my own motor around.
[54:06] Speaker 2: Matt Moseley. All right, I got a run. But he's
[54:08] Speaker 2: so to you.
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