# Kevin Na: Leaving PGA For The LIV Tour, The Next Tiger?, Phil Mickelson’s Evolution

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 6 Aug 2025, 21 min.

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Colin is joined by LIV Tour professional golfer Kevin Na! They begin with Kevin’s decision to make the move from the PGA Tour to the LIV Golf tour and how difficult of a decision it was (4:00) They discuss what the biggest changes are between the two different tours and why it’s such a great experience playing events all around the world (7:00). They talk about the initial blowback players received for “defecting” from the PGA Tour and whether that has dissipated after some time (9:00). Kevin highlights his favorite course that most of the public has never heard of, and the experience of bringing his kids to new countries while he’s on tour (10:45). They discuss the challenging conditions players have to play under, including brutal weather and why golfers aren’t given enough credit for being professional athletes (13:30). They talk about the evolution of Phil Mickelson over the years and Kevin offers nothing but high praise for the legend (14:45). They highlight Bryson DeChambeau’s journey from heel to hero as he’s become a superstar on the tour (16:30), and discuss whether another golfer will ever be able to capture Tiger Wood’s larger than life persona in the world of golf (19:30). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[1:39] Speaker 1: listens to me knows that I have supported the Live
[1:41] Speaker 1: Tour from the beginning. I never loved the way the
[1:44] Speaker 1: PGA Tour, which was officially a charity, treated some of
[1:48] Speaker 1: its golfers. And I had said for years that Greg
[1:51] Speaker 1: Norman's and Phil Mickelson's had verbally come out and said
[1:55] Speaker 1: they were disappointed. And so when they left, I supported
[1:59] Speaker 1: a and still do. Kevin naw also made that decision.
[2:03] Speaker 1: And you know, when I defended Live Golfers, one of
[2:07] Speaker 1: the things I said was, you know, these guys grew
[2:09] Speaker 1: up wanting to be on the PGA Tour. They dreamt
[2:12] Speaker 1: of the US Open and Pebble Beach and the Masters.
[2:16] Speaker 1: So this was a hard decision. A lot of people
[2:18] Speaker 1: looked at the dollars and said, well, it's easy now
[2:21] Speaker 1: when you have a dream and you land it. It's
[2:25] Speaker 1: hard to separate you from that dream. Do you remember, Kevin,
[2:29] Speaker 1: the day, the week, the car ride when you and
[2:32] Speaker 1: your family decided I'm going to leave the PGA Tour
[2:37] Speaker 1: And do you remember the emotional moment of that, the epiphany.
[2:41] Speaker 3: Yes, I do. It wasn't an easy decision. I thought
[2:45] Speaker 3: about it for weeks. I just discussed it with my team,
[2:50] Speaker 3: my family, and you know, I haven't had a talk
[2:53] Speaker 3: with Jame onhand before I left, like I literally called them,
[2:55] Speaker 3: you know, with the PA when I had the offer
[2:58] Speaker 3: and I had the contract, and I waighed a bunch
[3:01] Speaker 3: of options. But at the time there were some of
[3:06] Speaker 3: the things that some of the players would have would
[3:09] Speaker 3: wanted to see change in the PGA Tour, the direction
[3:11] Speaker 3: of the PGA tour, wanted to go, and none of
[3:13] Speaker 3: those things were happening. And when this living, the lead
[3:17] Speaker 3: was forming and the offers were going out, and it
[3:20] Speaker 3: was a great opportunity for me because I played the
[3:22] Speaker 3: PGA Tour for nineteen years and right I loved it.
[3:25] Speaker 3: I loved every minute of it, and I was grateful
[3:26] Speaker 3: to be there. I enjoyed it. It was a great
[3:29] Speaker 3: platform for me to play and I'm grateful and thankful.
[3:34] Speaker 3: But when this opportunity came along to play this team
[3:38] Speaker 3: style with individual team uh player around the world and
[3:44] Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, have some security, not
[3:47] Speaker 3: that I didn't with the PGIATE tour. You know, I
[3:49] Speaker 3: was pretty successful out there as well, but it sound
[3:52] Speaker 3: like it was a new challenge and I was. It
[3:53] Speaker 3: was exciting and and a lot of the great names
[3:56] Speaker 3: of the game of the golf were joining and I
[3:59] Speaker 3: wanted to be a part of been. I want to
[4:00] Speaker 3: be a part of this new adventure. And that's the
[4:03] Speaker 3: reason why I made the job.
[4:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know it's it's something to
[4:09] Speaker 1: remember the word globalization.
[4:13] Speaker 3: Uh.
[4:13] Speaker 1: You grew up in California of Korean descent. You grew
[4:18] Speaker 1: up in California. You're a global citizen to some degree.
[4:21] Speaker 1: My mom's from England. We all are or descendants of it.
[4:25] Speaker 1: But we see this with all businesses. And I know,
[4:28] Speaker 1: as I've aged and experienced travel, I love the idea
[4:34] Speaker 1: of every I love the idea of traveling. I love
[4:36] Speaker 1: the idea I've I've moved to six different companies. When
[4:40] Speaker 1: you go to the live tour, was their anxiety, were
[4:44] Speaker 1: their nerves take me to your first six months. This
[4:47] Speaker 1: is a whole it's like a new job for you.
[4:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was different.
[4:51] Speaker 3: The biggest change I felt was the music was so
[4:55] Speaker 3: easy for me. I really enjoyed the music on the
[4:57] Speaker 3: golf court. That part I have no issues with. What
[5:01] Speaker 3: was a bit of a transition, and it took me
[5:03] Speaker 3: a little bit to get it juststitute was the shotgun
[5:05] Speaker 3: start standing starting on a random all. You know, there's
[5:08] Speaker 3: a flow of that golf course, right, you start on
[5:10] Speaker 3: one or ten, you know, and you know where you're at.
[5:12] Speaker 3: You know, like some of the holes, the stretch, you
[5:15] Speaker 3: got to take advantage of some of the holes. You
[5:17] Speaker 3: kind of have to be you know, you know, you
[5:18] Speaker 3: want to pars are good. That kind of disappeared, and
[5:23] Speaker 3: so that part was a bit a bit awkward in
[5:25] Speaker 3: the beginning. I got used to it now. But besides that,
[5:28] Speaker 3: it was cool to travel around the world and to
[5:31] Speaker 3: see like, look, I played the Open, I've played in Korea, Asia.
[5:35] Speaker 3: But to go around to the world and all these
[5:37] Speaker 3: golf fans come out and say, you know, to come
[5:39] Speaker 3: root for you can watch you and tell me asking
[5:41] Speaker 3: your people in the crowd say hey, Kevin, I want
[5:44] Speaker 3: to see you walking the pot, you know, like things
[5:46] Speaker 3: like that. It was it was pretty cool to go
[5:48] Speaker 3: different corners of the world and to play in front
[5:51] Speaker 3: of the crowd and for them to see, you know,
[5:54] Speaker 3: the big names of golf like Books, Djfhil all these guys, Bryson,
[5:58] Speaker 3: you know, for them to to see those guys in
[6:01] Speaker 3: different parts of the world were before when everybody played
[6:04] Speaker 3: the Pig Tour, it was very rare that we all
[6:06] Speaker 3: got together and play it the different parts of the world.
[6:08] Speaker 3: So I think that was very cool experience. And we
[6:13] Speaker 3: can see that the fans are welcoming us in different
[6:15] Speaker 3: parts of worlds and join us watchings, and that's it's
[6:18] Speaker 3: a rewarding feeling, you know.
[6:21] Speaker 1: I think they're initially in Like any change in life,
[6:24] Speaker 1: there's animosity. People don't like change. In America. Forty percent
[6:29] Speaker 1: of Americans never live outside of the area code they
[6:34] Speaker 1: were born in.
[6:35] Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
[6:36] Speaker 1: So when there was change, I remember going on the
[6:40] Speaker 1: air and saying, yeah, there's going to be some animosity,
[6:43] Speaker 1: there's going to be some emotion with it.
[6:46] Speaker 2: Do you think that's.
[6:47] Speaker 1: Dissipated over the last year, that that initial shock is
[6:52] Speaker 1: now well, I can watch the shamba at this tournament,
[6:55] Speaker 1: I can watch Kevin Nall here, is that there's a
[6:58] Speaker 1: realization that this is what's happening in all business. Yeah.
[7:02] Speaker 3: I think in the beginning, you know, like you said,
[7:05] Speaker 3: people are not comfortable with change.
[7:08] Speaker 4: And when we were.
[7:10] Speaker 3: Making this jump, you know, the PGA Tour, a lot
[7:13] Speaker 3: of the media, you know, they said it's not going
[7:14] Speaker 3: to happen, They're going to fold in six months, four months,
[7:17] Speaker 3: you know, it's never gonna last. But we've the league
[7:20] Speaker 3: has proven that we're sticking around.
[7:22] Speaker 4: And you know, and when our players, you know Brooks
[7:26] Speaker 4: want a Major rice and want a Major when you know,
[7:29] Speaker 4: playing live and where, and these guys are still playing
[7:32] Speaker 4: well in major championship and showing good performance and watching
[7:36] Speaker 4: us grow.
[7:37] Speaker 3: They're starting to realize that we're not doing and we're
[7:40] Speaker 3: sticking around. And that's the same time when the PGA
[7:42] Speaker 3: Tour is asking for investment from p IF.
[7:47] Speaker 4: Then you know, all those.
[7:50] Speaker 3: You know, attacks of towards the players that made the
[7:54] Speaker 3: first jump is kind of it's been silenced a little bit.
[7:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
[8:02] Speaker 2: I have to ask you.
[8:03] Speaker 1: I told my wife, you have three kids, you're married,
[8:06] Speaker 1: three kids, So family and golf I felt Live gave
[8:09] Speaker 1: you an opportunity perhaps to golf a little less, more
[8:11] Speaker 1: time with family. And my take is if people are
[8:13] Speaker 1: happier at home, they're more productive people.
[8:16] Speaker 2: It's just a better way to live.
[8:18] Speaker 1: That And by the way, before you left the Live Tour,
[8:22] Speaker 1: PG golfers today had it easier than PJ golfers forty
[8:26] Speaker 1: years ago. So I mean everything changes. Tell me a
[8:31] Speaker 1: course that maybe isn't talked about a lot globally that
[8:36] Speaker 1: you love. If I said, Kevin, give me your favorite
[8:40] Speaker 1: course that I would never guess and why.
[8:44] Speaker 3: Hong Kong Golf Club amazing. Hong Kong Golf Club that's
[8:49] Speaker 3: been around forever. It's an old style golf course. I
[8:52] Speaker 3: think it's an amazing golf course. Every time I go there.
[8:55] Speaker 3: I think the city is amazing. I think the golf
[8:58] Speaker 3: course is amazing. I think the fans are amazing. Obviously Korea,
[9:01] Speaker 3: first time playing it this year. The Jackan Golf was
[9:03] Speaker 3: a pretty good golf course. But I'm a little biased
[9:05] Speaker 3: because of my current descent, and I love going to
[9:08] Speaker 3: these Asia countries and playing, you know me obviously being
[9:12] Speaker 3: an Asian, you know the Asians fans are gonna you know,
[9:15] Speaker 3: feel like a bit more of a home crowd. And
[9:19] Speaker 3: speaking of families, you know, in the past few years,
[9:22] Speaker 3: we've taken it's hard to travel with three kids internationally,
[9:26] Speaker 3: but we've taken one or two and at times at
[9:28] Speaker 3: three to these different countries. And I was able to
[9:31] Speaker 3: show my kids different parts of the world at a
[9:33] Speaker 3: young age. And I think that's very very cool for
[9:37] Speaker 3: them to, you know, to learn different cultures, to experience,
[9:40] Speaker 3: and I think it really opens their eyes to the world,
[9:45] Speaker 3: right and I and we really enjoyed that experience. And honestly,
[9:49] Speaker 3: like I'll be honest, like I've never been happier at home.
[9:52] Speaker 3: Up my golf game honestly hasn't been that great. I
[9:55] Speaker 3: feel like in the last few rounds of something is
[9:57] Speaker 3: clicked and I think I'm gonna I'm about to go
[10:00] Speaker 3: on a good run of golf. But look at home,
[10:03] Speaker 3: I'm home more often for my kids. I get to
[10:06] Speaker 3: travel the world with my family. Look looking back at
[10:11] Speaker 3: it now, I think it was a great decision. I've
[10:12] Speaker 3: talked about this with my wife, and when we go
[10:16] Speaker 3: back two and a half three years ago, we go back,
[10:19] Speaker 3: we have a time machine. Would we make the same
[10:20] Speaker 3: decision and the answer is yes.
[10:24] Speaker 1: The I've always believed that unless you're a golfer, and
[10:29] Speaker 1: I've started playing a lot in the last three years.
[10:32] Speaker 1: As I've got a little bit more time, I've got
[10:33] Speaker 1: a lot more gray hair, and i think when the
[10:36] Speaker 1: gray are your hair gets, the more golf grabs into me.
[10:40] Speaker 1: And I've always felt an underrated part of golf is
[10:46] Speaker 1: that when you guys are playing in the summer in
[10:50] Speaker 1: parts of the globe, it's incredibly hot, and it's mid day,
[10:55] Speaker 1: and it's day after day after day. Has there been
[11:00] Speaker 1: an event on the PGA or the live tour where
[11:04] Speaker 1: you thought to yourself, I hope people realize I'm a
[11:06] Speaker 1: real athlete here because I could fall apart. I mean
[11:10] Speaker 1: there there are moments watching you guys and I'm like,
[11:13] Speaker 1: I could see Phil Michelson. I'm like, Phil looks tired.
[11:19] Speaker 1: Do you do you think that's an underrated part of
[11:22] Speaker 1: even your live tour. You go to Hong Kong a
[11:24] Speaker 1: lot of your You're playing in the sometimes the steamiest
[11:28] Speaker 1: of weather.
[11:29] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean Singapore is extremely hot. I remember
[11:31] Speaker 3: PGU Tour that we played in Malaysia, extremely hot Dallas.
[11:35] Speaker 3: This year we played in you know, oh Dallas, Oh
[11:38] Speaker 3: it was rough. Uh. And you know, we travel. We
[11:41] Speaker 3: went from Saturday, Arabia to Australia. We went from Mexico
[11:46] Speaker 3: City to Seoul. I mean and and literally we have
[11:49] Speaker 3: a twenty hour travel day. And as soon as we land,
[11:52] Speaker 3: if it's thuring the day, in the morning, we go
[11:54] Speaker 3: straight to the golf course. We start practicing. That's not
[11:56] Speaker 3: easy to do, and your time zones are all off,
[12:00] Speaker 3: but we're on this. You know. We get up in
[12:02] Speaker 3: the morning, we spent all day on the golf course.
[12:04] Speaker 3: We trained, we practice, you know, I mean we might
[12:08] Speaker 3: we may not look like an athlete, but we are.
[12:13] Speaker 1: I've always loved Phil Micholson and I read a I
[12:16] Speaker 1: don't think there's a book about him.
[12:18] Speaker 2: I don't think he loves the book.
[12:20] Speaker 1: But I loved him more when I read the book
[12:23] Speaker 1: because he's so unapologic, unapologetically Phil Mickelson. And there was
[12:28] Speaker 1: a point in his life he probably he probably ate
[12:30] Speaker 1: a little too much. He was a little more obnoxious
[12:33] Speaker 1: with tour members. Michelson's a character, and but what I
[12:38] Speaker 1: love about him he leans into it.
[12:40] Speaker 2: Now.
[12:41] Speaker 1: Now you're getting the older, more mature, wiser Phil Mickelson.
[12:47] Speaker 1: Have you watched him chain, I guess have you seen
[12:50] Speaker 1: the change in Phil in the last twenty years when
[12:53] Speaker 1: you've been around him, ever played with him, played against him?
[12:55] Speaker 2: Have you seen it?
[12:56] Speaker 3: Yeah? I've seen skinny Phil, shot, Phil, gambling, Phil, drinking Phil. Look,
[13:03] Speaker 3: he's been nothing but great to me. The first time
[13:05] Speaker 3: I played with him, I was twenty one years old.
[13:08] Speaker 3: We played in the final group. That's the first time
[13:09] Speaker 3: I put it in the final group at the Phoenix Open.
[13:12] Speaker 3: He ended up winning the term and I finished second.
[13:15] Speaker 3: And he's been nothing but great to him. You can
[13:17] Speaker 3: always go go to in ask for any advice, whether
[13:21] Speaker 3: it's golf, game, life, meeting you want, he would give
[13:24] Speaker 3: you his time, his sincerity. He's been nothing to great.
[13:28] Speaker 3: I think he is the same way right now to
[13:31] Speaker 3: all the younger kids out here. I think he's a
[13:35] Speaker 3: great leader. Like whether I don't not. Obviously, you know,
[13:40] Speaker 3: you can't please everybody, but a lot of the people
[13:43] Speaker 3: out here respect him, and I personally respect him, and
[13:46] Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of Phil, and I think what
[13:48] Speaker 3: he's done for the game of golf we had to
[13:51] Speaker 3: be thankful for.
[13:53] Speaker 1: And I also think sometimes you know, I say this
[13:56] Speaker 1: all the time. I was not mature enough at twenty
[13:58] Speaker 1: two to twenty three to be like a professional quarterback
[14:01] Speaker 1: in the NFL, you know, the leader of a billion
[14:04] Speaker 1: dollar franchise. You guys are not on a team necessarily,
[14:07] Speaker 1: although you are the iron Heads on the.
[14:08] Speaker 2: Lib Tour now.
[14:10] Speaker 1: But Bryson de Shamble is a fascinating guy. I didn't
[14:14] Speaker 1: love him when he came out. I didn't like him.
[14:17] Speaker 1: You know, the thirteen pieces of bacon, the nine protein shakes.
[14:20] Speaker 1: I'm like, this feels like he's selling me something. It's
[14:24] Speaker 1: too obnoxious. He pivoted over the last two years. I
[14:29] Speaker 1: find him incredibly likable now, and I go back to
[14:34] Speaker 1: he was young. Yeah, he was a good looking, big testosterone.
[14:39] Speaker 1: Have you noticed his personality. He feels a little humbled,
[14:44] Speaker 1: a little more, a little wiser. But I find him
[14:47] Speaker 1: now incredibly likable, and I didn't.
[14:49] Speaker 2: Four years ago.
[14:51] Speaker 3: I always joked to him. I was like, look, I
[14:53] Speaker 3: was nice to you before you became a bi star
[14:55] Speaker 3: and before you were likable. I always liked him from
[15:01] Speaker 3: day one. You know, I remember talking to him before
[15:03] Speaker 3: when he wasn't playing so good, and you know, when
[15:05] Speaker 3: he was doing the side straddle and I'll come talk
[15:08] Speaker 3: to him about on the putting green into what his
[15:10] Speaker 3: theories were. And I played with him in a QB
[15:13] Speaker 3: team play chart shootout. What year what was this, I
[15:16] Speaker 3: can't even remember, twenty seventeen or eighteen, whatever it was.
[15:19] Speaker 3: We teamed up, we finished third, and I got to
[15:21] Speaker 3: know him pretty well that how he played the game
[15:24] Speaker 3: and what his you know, all these calculations that he made,
[15:27] Speaker 3: and it was it was fascinating him. He would calculate
[15:29] Speaker 3: puts off the green from what the fairies were running
[15:32] Speaker 3: at stemp and then from the green on to the
[15:34] Speaker 3: hole that how many feet that is and that stemp
[15:36] Speaker 3: and he would with the slope and he would say
[15:39] Speaker 3: this put's playing forty seven feet and he hit it
[15:43] Speaker 3: like perfect speed or make it and it was incredible.
[15:47] Speaker 3: But I think people got to know him and watched
[15:50] Speaker 3: him mature and grow up and became this likable, interesting character,
[15:56] Speaker 3: and we need more characters like that in the golf game.
[15:58] Speaker 3: Whether you like him or not, and I think most
[16:00] Speaker 3: people do like him. He's an interesting guy. And what
[16:04] Speaker 3: he's done with his body and his game, the transformation
[16:07] Speaker 3: that he's gone through, it's incredible. And he's an incredibly
[16:10] Speaker 3: talented player. I always enjoyed my conversations with him. But look,
[16:15] Speaker 3: you know, when you're twenty one, twenty two and you're
[16:17] Speaker 3: a millionaire, and you know, you think you have the
[16:19] Speaker 3: world bides, you know, you know, it's a little bit
[16:22] Speaker 3: of a growing sure. I bet that was the same
[16:25] Speaker 3: way when I was young there, and I turned pro
[16:26] Speaker 3: at seventeen and got on the tour when I was twenty.
[16:29] Speaker 3: You know, when you're twenty and but you need a
[16:32] Speaker 3: little bit of that to make it so I think
[16:35] Speaker 3: if you kind of look at that and get to
[16:37] Speaker 3: understand the guy and get to understand the players, I mean,
[16:40] Speaker 3: we're not We're much better than football and other other sports.
[16:43] Speaker 3: I mean, we're much more mature and more well behaved,
[16:48] Speaker 3: I'd say, but it's I think we watched him grow up.
[16:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, you went straight to the pros at seventeen years old. Finally,
[16:57] Speaker 1: there's there's a legendary piece of footage going to Kevin
[17:00] Speaker 1: naw about you and Tiger Woods when your speak play
[17:03] Speaker 1: after you hit the putt and he does the same thing.
[17:07] Speaker 2: Tiger.
[17:09] Speaker 1: There's only two athletes in my lifetime, Tiger Woods and
[17:12] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan that literally changed how I watched TV. I
[17:16] Speaker 1: would cancel stuff on a Sunday to watch Tiger Woods.
[17:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:20] Speaker 2: Do you think that was it?
[17:21] Speaker 1: You know, it was sort of It wasn't obviously pre internet,
[17:24] Speaker 1: but it was a pre TikTok golf felt those games felt,
[17:30] Speaker 1: those tournaments with Tiger, it just felt like otherworldly. Do
[17:35] Speaker 1: you think golf will ever have that again?
[17:37] Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. I think Bryson is his closest
[17:40] Speaker 3: to you know, the excitement. I think Rory's pretty exciting.
[17:44] Speaker 3: I think Rom's pretty exciting, and Joukin's becoming that player
[17:48] Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, I think there's different characters of the
[17:50] Speaker 3: game that bring that kind of energy. Obviously, Tiger was
[17:56] Speaker 3: you know, his dominating in his you know, his power,
[17:59] Speaker 3: and it's blown feel the way and you know, even
[18:01] Speaker 3: though he's four back with nine to Plague, they're like, oh,
[18:03] Speaker 3: he's going to win. You know, he's gonna go on
[18:05] Speaker 3: this crazy run. And I remember watching as a kid
[18:07] Speaker 3: and I'm I mean, you know, being a fan of Tiger,
[18:11] Speaker 3: it's it's incredible. I mean, but I think there are
[18:16] Speaker 3: characters that can follow his footsteps or become maybe not
[18:21] Speaker 3: that Tiger Wood's icon level, but you know, up close
[18:25] Speaker 3: to that level, and we can have three or four
[18:28] Speaker 3: guys kind of equal Tiger, you know what I mean.
[18:30] Speaker 3: But I think golf has become more more entertaining, more
[18:33] Speaker 3: exciting than before back in nineties. I grew up watching golf,
[18:37] Speaker 3: you know, in the nineties, you know, and you know
[18:39] Speaker 3: I became a pro in the early two thousand and
[18:44] Speaker 3: I played all these with these guys on the senior
[18:46] Speaker 3: tour that's playing now. And I think golf has become
[18:50] Speaker 3: more entertaining. I mean there's more characters of the game.
[18:52] Speaker 3: I mean, you got you know, Bryce and that bombs
[18:55] Speaker 3: in cuts corners. You got Roverie also, you know, Scotti
[18:58] Speaker 3: Shaffer getting arrested. I mean there's I think it's entertaining.
[19:02] Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we have some John Days, you know,
[19:05] Speaker 3: the you know, the former John Davis of the guys
[19:08] Speaker 3: right now. Look, I think golf is in a good
[19:12] Speaker 3: place except this division. I think once this we find
[19:17] Speaker 3: a way to get the players back together more often.
[19:21] Speaker 3: I think I think golf is going to go up
[19:23] Speaker 3: another level.
[19:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope so, Kevin Nah A pleasure to talk
[19:27] Speaker 1: to you. I love your stories. I'll be rooting for
[19:30] Speaker 1: you and thank you so much for taking time.
[19:32] Speaker 3: Thanks Colin, thanks for having me on.
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