# Colin Cowherd Podcast - Shedeur Sanders Finally Drafted By Browns In 5th Round, Deion’s Hubris Hurt Shedeur, Teams Don’t Want A “Celebrity Backup QB”

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 26 Apr 2025, 18 min.

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Colin reacts to Shedeur Sanders' fall in the NFL draft and the Cleveland Browns finally drafting him in the 5th round. He explains why Shedeur isn’t a good enough prospect to overcome the circus surrounding him, why his father Deion’s hubris hurt his draft stock, and why NFL teams don’t want a “celebrity quarterback” as their backup. Timeline 4:00 Deion’s hubris didn’t help Shedeur’s draft stock 6:00 Shedeur wasn’t a good enough prospect to be making demands of NFL teams 7:45 “Quarterback Dad” is becoming “Pageant Mom” and hurts the kid 9:00 Multiple teams reported that Shedeur was bad in meetings and not engaged 10:30 Maturity and focus matter more for quarterbacks 13:45 Cleveland’s quarterback room is a mess 15:15 Shedeur is a good, not great prospect 17:00 Teams don’t want a “celebrity QB” as their backup (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #Herd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[1:40] Speaker 1: All Right, I just thought so many people were talking
[1:43] Speaker 1: about shador standers falling in the draft to the Cleveland Browns.
[1:48] Speaker 1: Just a couple of things that I've been ruminating on
[1:50] Speaker 1: for the last day. I understand that Dion Sanders worked
[1:56] Speaker 1: at multiple TV Networks New York to I think at
[1:58] Speaker 1: CBS NFL network, I understand that a lot of people
[2:02] Speaker 1: at that NFL network building know Dion, But it is
[2:05] Speaker 1: our job as broadcasters to cut through that and be
[2:10] Speaker 1: honest with the audience. And I'm not going to call
[2:13] Speaker 1: out anybody individually, but I thought it was really strange
[2:16] Speaker 1: that all the draft coverage that I saw, as everybody
[2:20] Speaker 1: was shocked, dismayed that Shador Sanders had fallen in the draft,
[2:26] Speaker 1: nobody said even mentioned that maybe Dad didn't help him out.
[2:33] Speaker 1: I know, I know a lot of people know Deon
[2:36] Speaker 1: Sanders and like him. But go back to January, go
[2:41] Speaker 1: back to the Super Bowl week when Dion is on
[2:44] Speaker 1: multiple shows. It wasn't until mid March when Dion probably
[2:51] Speaker 1: somebody got into his ear or maybe he came to
[2:54] Speaker 1: his senses where Dion Sanders said, Okay, my son can
[2:57] Speaker 1: be drafted by anybody. Until that point during he evaluation months,
[3:01] Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl. Look it up. I went
[3:03] Speaker 1: this morning and looked at clips. Found four different shows
[3:06] Speaker 1: of Dion Sanders with arrogance, hubrist confidence saying hey, it's
[3:12] Speaker 1: gonna be on our terms. There are teams he will
[3:15] Speaker 1: not be playing for now time out. He wasn't directing
[3:19] Speaker 1: that at Andy Reid and the Chiefs, Sean McDermott in
[3:24] Speaker 1: the Bills. He wasn't directing that at well run teams
[3:28] Speaker 1: with star quarterbacks. He was specifically directing that at the
[3:32] Speaker 1: seven or eight teams. And that's about the only teams
[3:34] Speaker 1: that need a quarterback. Seven or eight teams that needed
[3:37] Speaker 1: a quarterback, many of them struggling franchises, and he in
[3:42] Speaker 1: interview after interview publicly was going out saying again with
[3:47] Speaker 1: great confidence, I know the game, I know what's behind
[3:50] Speaker 1: the curtain. We're not going to play for certain teams. Okay,
[3:56] Speaker 1: So Dour's not that great for a prospect. This class
[4:01] Speaker 1: quarterback class is so weak that cam Ward is in
[4:05] Speaker 1: line with bow Nicks. Okay, bow Knicks went to the Broncos.
[4:10] Speaker 1: You want to know who was drafted ahead of him,
[4:14] Speaker 1: Lots of people, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, JJ McCarthy,
[4:19] Speaker 1: Michael Pennix. Okay, So Shadur Sanders as a prospect is
[4:28] Speaker 1: below and many people believe far below cam Ward. Many
[4:34] Speaker 1: believe he's also behind Jackson Dark the Giants did. Whether
[4:38] Speaker 1: you agree with that or not This is not a
[4:40] Speaker 1: John Ilway, this is not an Andrew Luck, this is
[4:44] Speaker 1: not even a Caleb Williams prospect where you're going to
[4:47] Speaker 1: overlook some stuff, right, And so just let's go back
[4:52] Speaker 1: to this. Chaudeur is a prospect. He's going to be
[4:57] Speaker 1: an employee of a business. And your dad is saying
[5:03] Speaker 1: to here are teams we will not play for. And
[5:06] Speaker 1: that's directed many of the teams that were interested. Wasn't
[5:09] Speaker 1: directed at the best teams in the league. And nobody
[5:13] Speaker 1: wants to just note that, acknowledge that mention that you
[5:18] Speaker 1: know I've said on my show before. Quarterback Dad has
[5:21] Speaker 1: become Pageant mom where the heart is in the right place.
[5:27] Speaker 1: But sometimes they do a disservice to their kids. We
[5:29] Speaker 1: saw this with Nico Iamaliava, the quarterback for Tennessee. Great program.
[5:34] Speaker 1: Dad stepped in. Son didn't show up to a spring practice.
[5:38] Speaker 1: We're out of here, and he had no market. UCLA
[5:44] Speaker 1: has one of the smallest nils in the Big Ten.
[5:47] Speaker 1: The kid reportedly took a pay cut to live in
[5:49] Speaker 1: a much more expensive city and go to a much
[5:53] Speaker 1: less storied football program. Quarterback Dad, so college football sent
[6:00] Speaker 1: message it wasn't collusion people weren't on the phone, and
[6:02] Speaker 1: this is not collusion. Remember, only seven or eight teams
[6:05] Speaker 1: needed a quarterback, and I could argue only two teams
[6:08] Speaker 1: needed a starting quarterback, Tennessee and Pittsburgh unless the Steelers
[6:13] Speaker 1: have some Aaron Rodgers deal agreed to. But I understand
[6:19] Speaker 1: people being turned off, and then this has to be
[6:24] Speaker 1: acknowledged too, as people at these networks doing the draft
[6:28] Speaker 1: are not mentioning this. He not only interviewed poorly. Todd
[6:34] Speaker 1: McShay on his podcast with a Ringer acknowledged he named
[6:38] Speaker 1: a name. Brian Dabele brought him in. Shadur Sanders wasn't
[6:41] Speaker 1: prepared on the whiteboard when he called him out. Sanders
[6:45] Speaker 1: didn't take it well. So you may not like that.
[6:49] Speaker 1: There was anonymous coaches saying it was the worst interview ever.
[6:53] Speaker 1: I can understand if you don't like that. That feels
[6:55] Speaker 1: a little harsh. I get that. However, that doesn't make
[6:58] Speaker 1: it untrue. There are multiple reports now, multiple teams that
[7:07] Speaker 1: did not feel that Shadur was engaged, that Shador made
[7:12] Speaker 1: people feel small. It's okay to mention that stuff. So again,
[7:18] Speaker 1: the greater the prospect, the more flaws you can have.
[7:23] Speaker 1: And quarterbacks different. You know, throughout the years, I talk
[7:26] Speaker 1: to a lot of people in the league. Of all
[7:29] Speaker 1: the sports I cover, I have far more NFL sources,
[7:31] Speaker 1: mostly because that's your favorite sport and it drives a number.
[7:36] Speaker 1: But when I talk to scouts and executives about football players,
[7:40] Speaker 1: they talk about skill and talent and toughness. When I
[7:43] Speaker 1: talk to executives about quarterbacks, the conversation changes. It's about
[7:48] Speaker 1: leadership and focus, the ability to cognitively get up to
[7:54] Speaker 1: speed read a defense. Totally different conversation. Everything's different for quarterbacks.
[7:58] Speaker 1: That's why I was so tough on Johnny Manzellen Baker
[8:00] Speaker 1: Mayfield on maturity. I didn't care if they were a
[8:03] Speaker 1: Mike linebacker, a right guard. When you're a quarterback, the
[8:07] Speaker 1: conversation changes. You know, you need a lot of things
[8:10] Speaker 1: from a quarterback that you don't need from other players. Maturity, focus,
[8:14] Speaker 1: what really matters. You have to love football. I've been
[8:18] Speaker 1: critical of Trevor Lawrence, who has said before football doesn't
[8:21] Speaker 1: define me. Well. People are looking for quarterbacks or football
[8:25] Speaker 1: defines them. They want you to be obsessed, They want
[8:27] Speaker 1: you to be Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Patrick
[8:29] Speaker 1: Malmes I'm sorry they do. I didn't make the rules up,
[8:32] Speaker 1: so I just thought it's a bit disingenuous to not
[8:36] Speaker 1: mention the fact that football dad Dion was setting parameters
[8:41] Speaker 1: up directed at the teams that were going to draft
[8:45] Speaker 1: his son, which I think was a big turn off.
[8:48] Speaker 1: You know, I've had NFL people say this before. We're
[8:50] Speaker 1: not the NBA and we don't do load management. Like
[8:55] Speaker 1: it's like no, no, NBA's got its own culture. That's
[8:57] Speaker 1: not our culture. And college football set that message to
[9:01] Speaker 1: Nico Iamaliava and I think some of this was, hey, man, listen,
[9:08] Speaker 1: no parameters. You got to interview better. And I didn't
[9:12] Speaker 1: think I said this on the air Friday. I didn't
[9:14] Speaker 1: love you know, your draft room with legendary posted all
[9:18] Speaker 1: over it, A little cringey the New York Giant cleats
[9:22] Speaker 1: little cringey. Not the end of the world, not everything,
[9:26] Speaker 1: little something. But you know, you have to be like
[9:32] Speaker 1: when people are texting me that are not in football
[9:36] Speaker 1: or don't cover football, and they're sending legitimate and very
[9:40] Speaker 1: obvious questions about the Dion comments, I think it needs
[9:43] Speaker 1: to be talked about that he did not do his
[9:46] Speaker 1: son any favors. Now Dion did in March finally either
[9:54] Speaker 1: acknowledge or infer that his son would be be okay
[9:58] Speaker 1: being drafted by anybody. To me, a lot of the
[10:00] Speaker 1: damage had been done in January and February. In the
[10:04] Speaker 1: Super Bowl week in early March, a lot of people
[10:06] Speaker 1: were turned off. So I think that's part of it.
[10:09] Speaker 1: I think there are messages being sent. It's not collusion.
[10:12] Speaker 1: I mean, if Pete Carroll and Mike Tomlin both pass
[10:17] Speaker 1: on him, Tomlin needs a starter and Pete could use
[10:20] Speaker 1: a backup. They are both player friendly. They have both
[10:23] Speaker 1: been coaches willing to draft players where there's a little
[10:26] Speaker 1: bit of noise around him, and they passed the Scheeduur stuff. Obviously,
[10:33] Speaker 1: the Dion stuff obviously turned off some people. And I've
[10:38] Speaker 1: said this that all this stuff's going to be tricky.
[10:41] Speaker 1: You got college quarterbacks now come in and they've made
[10:44] Speaker 1: five or six million dollars, and sometimes you know, you
[10:49] Speaker 1: just got to be humble in those interviews. You may
[10:51] Speaker 1: not respect that assistant coach, it may be a team
[10:54] Speaker 1: that's not going to draft you, but a little humility, Humility,
[10:58] Speaker 1: too much humility is ever a bad thing, especially when
[11:01] Speaker 1: you're young and you're a potential employee, and you're talking
[11:05] Speaker 1: to a potential employer. Err on the side of humility
[11:08] Speaker 1: is not a bad thing. As far as the Cleveland
[11:11] Speaker 1: Brown's drafting him, it doesn't bother me. I mean, their
[11:13] Speaker 1: quarterback room's a mess. Their takeaway is, hey, Dylan Gabriel
[11:17] Speaker 1: should or Sanders go compete. By the way, when running
[11:21] Speaker 1: backs come to camp and they're drafted, there's nine running
[11:24] Speaker 1: backs there. I mean, you don't think in camp there's
[11:26] Speaker 1: not nine running backs. There's not eleven linebackers, there's not
[11:30] Speaker 1: fourteen offensive linemen. Compete. You know, it's rare. You usually
[11:35] Speaker 1: have like three quarterbacks. But if you have five, who cares?
[11:37] Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, Deshaun Watson, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, should or Sanders?
[11:41] Speaker 1: Who cares? You don't have a star. If you don't
[11:44] Speaker 1: have a star, go compete. I mean that's that every
[11:47] Speaker 1: other position is asked to compete. It's okay. Occasionally, if
[11:50] Speaker 1: an NFL team says, you know, we're gonna draft a
[11:52] Speaker 1: couple quarterbacks, neither are great prospects, we think they're okay.
[11:56] Speaker 1: Peter Schreeger brought up something I thought was kind of interesting.
[12:00] Speaker 1: Former Fox employee now with the ESPN and a friend.
[12:02] Speaker 1: I thought Schreeger brought up something that was kind of interesting.
[12:04] Speaker 1: He said, you know, Dion has worked for you know
[12:08] Speaker 1: so many people in the media that nobody wanted to
[12:10] Speaker 1: come out during the process and and and be critical
[12:13] Speaker 1: of of not Dan, but be critical of Shadeur because
[12:16] Speaker 1: you know they know Dion, and so maybe that he
[12:19] Speaker 1: was over hyped by all of us in the media. Now,
[12:21] Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I will say this. I thought
[12:23] Speaker 1: he was a good prospect. I can remember when Deshaun
[12:25] Speaker 1: Watson came out of Clemson. I didn't like I didn't
[12:28] Speaker 1: think he was that accurate of a quarterback. I thought
[12:30] Speaker 1: he's a great athlete, but I said he's a B prospect.
[12:33] Speaker 1: You know, he had some a moments, but you know,
[12:35] Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people I thought Deshaun
[12:37] Speaker 1: Watson was a bit over hyped, but he'd be good.
[12:39] Speaker 1: I didn't get Miss Trubisky at all. I didn't get
[12:41] Speaker 1: Zach Wilson at all. I didn't get Daniel Jones at all.
[12:44] Speaker 1: I thought Sam Darnold was really really good. He proved
[12:47] Speaker 1: it last year, but it took a while. I liked
[12:49] Speaker 1: Schador Standers I think he's a pocket quarterback who moves
[12:53] Speaker 1: well enough. I think he's really really accurate. I think
[12:55] Speaker 1: some of the stuff, holding the ball too long, you
[12:57] Speaker 1: can coach a guy out of that. But he's not
[12:59] Speaker 1: a great prospect. And it's just like in life. If
[13:01] Speaker 1: you're not a great prospect interviewing for any job, you
[13:04] Speaker 1: probably shouldn't set up parameters or hey, we're going to
[13:09] Speaker 1: do it. And it's dad was leading the way on this,
[13:12] Speaker 1: but you go do the homework on that. Nobody wanted
[13:15] Speaker 1: to talk about that. It's not great, and football is
[13:18] Speaker 1: very protective and very tribal about its culture. It does
[13:22] Speaker 1: not want to be baseball and give ten year contracts.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Why would it. It's a more popular sport. It doesn't
[13:28] Speaker 1: want to be basketball, where players run the sport load management.
[13:32] Speaker 1: It doesn't want to be that. Okay, Football's culture, the
[13:38] Speaker 1: brotherhood of it. It's family. All they're marketing. It's family.
[13:44] Speaker 1: It matters to them a lot, and they have every
[13:45] Speaker 1: right to be prideful and protective of it. You know,
[13:49] Speaker 1: they have every right to be prideful. Every sport has
[13:51] Speaker 1: a different culture. Golf's got a different one than Nascar.
[13:54] Speaker 1: You know, Gymnastics has a different one than college baseball.
[13:58] Speaker 1: It's fine, but he's got a different culture. But football
[14:03] Speaker 1: is not going to let dads tell them what to do.
[14:07] Speaker 1: And I don't know Dion Sanders. He's got a healthy
[14:12] Speaker 1: self confidence and in this instance, I do not think
[14:15] Speaker 1: he helped his son. And the interest thing just to
[14:18] Speaker 1: throw out there that that this has been talked about
[14:20] Speaker 1: for years. Years ago, Bill Parcells was famous for saying
[14:24] Speaker 1: he doesn't want to draft celebrity quarterbacks. But I think
[14:27] Speaker 1: that's impossible. Now they're just that the nil. The games
[14:29] Speaker 1: are on TV, more games are on TV than ever,
[14:33] Speaker 1: So college quarterbacks, if they play for big programs, are
[14:35] Speaker 1: going to be a little bit arch Manning is a
[14:37] Speaker 1: celebrity and he didn't even start last year. So but
[14:41] Speaker 1: there is something, There is some truth in this. You
[14:43] Speaker 1: don't want your backup quarterback to be a celebrity. Prime
[14:46] Speaker 1: example Tim Tebow. Jets. Mark Sanchez has acknowledged publicly it
[14:51] Speaker 1: was a mess. You're either believe in Tim Tebow. I didn't,
[14:54] Speaker 1: but you either believe in Tim Tebow's a franchise quarterback.
[14:57] Speaker 1: He don't bring a celebrity backup in and and then,
[14:59] Speaker 1: and the the media hovers in and all the questions
[15:02] Speaker 1: are about t Bow. You don't want that. I mean,
[15:05] Speaker 1: I think it's funny that the media is demanding you
[15:06] Speaker 1: have to draft Shoeddever Sanders, and then the media, if
[15:09] Speaker 1: he's a backup, is going to descend on an organization
[15:11] Speaker 1: and they're only going to ask about Shodro Sanders, which
[15:13] Speaker 1: is what everybody's trying to avoid. That's why you don't
[15:16] Speaker 1: want celebrity quarterbacks. Remember when Cam Newton went to New
[15:18] Speaker 1: England for a year, had a decent year with Bill Belichick.
[15:21] Speaker 1: Then they draft Mac Jones, and the minute Mac Jones
[15:23] Speaker 1: beats out Cam Newton, Belichick lets Cam go because he
[15:28] Speaker 1: doesn't think Cam as a celebrity, you know, a very
[15:32] Speaker 1: famous backup quarterbacks probably the best thing hovering over Mac Jones.
[15:37] Speaker 1: And so if you like Schador as a starter, and
[15:39] Speaker 1: I thought Pittsburgh should draft him in the first round,
[15:41] Speaker 1: I wouldn't had a problem if Cleveland drafted him or Pittsburgh.
[15:45] Speaker 1: You know, I think he's a very accurate kid that
[15:47] Speaker 1: moves well. I think he's a franchise quarterback. I could
[15:49] Speaker 1: be wrong, but him as a backup is really interesting.
[15:54] Speaker 1: I mean, made six million dollars, nil, the dad thing,
[15:58] Speaker 1: the family name. You bring him into a camp as
[16:01] Speaker 1: a backup, and especially if you have a young quarterback
[16:04] Speaker 1: or a you know, a situation where you know you're
[16:06] Speaker 1: trying to make sure and ensure your starting quarterback has confidence.
[16:10] Speaker 1: You're devoted to him, you know he's the guy. You're
[16:14] Speaker 1: building him up. You bring insuers a backup, and that
[16:17] Speaker 1: could be a bit of a mess, right. That's the
[16:18] Speaker 1: celebrity backup quarterback. A lot of teams don't want that.
[16:21] Speaker 1: I always used to say, you want your backup quarterback
[16:24] Speaker 1: to be able to put a baseball hat on and
[16:26] Speaker 1: a pair of sunglasses, walk through the local mall and
[16:29] Speaker 1: nobody knows who he is. That's a perfect backup quarterback,
[16:34] Speaker 1: a team guy. So you know, once shud started falling,
[16:38] Speaker 1: my take is, well, this is already going to be interesting.
[16:40] Speaker 1: Like where can he be a backup quarterback? It'd have
[16:42] Speaker 1: to be a really secure, older starting quarterback. You know
[16:47] Speaker 1: you're not going to do it if you have a
[16:49] Speaker 1: young quarterback. I thought Seattle might consider it, but Jalen Milroll,
[16:53] Speaker 1: his temperament and his brand is more in line with
[16:57] Speaker 1: what a backup is. Super humble, didn't hear from his
[17:00] Speaker 1: parents exceptional athletic ability, not ready to start, sit behind
[17:07] Speaker 1: Sam Darnold for two years. That makes a lot of sense.
[17:09] Speaker 1: I think Shadour is ready to start fairly soon, maybe
[17:15] Speaker 1: by Thanksgiving. But there's just stuff. There's a little bit
[17:19] Speaker 1: of noise, and that's tough on backup quarterbacks. So once
[17:23] Speaker 1: the teams that need a starter, Tennessee drafted a quarterback
[17:27] Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh passed, how many teams needed a starting quarterback?
[17:32] Speaker 1: So I'm listen. I think Shadeur, my take, can beat
[17:36] Speaker 1: out all these guys in Cleveland. I mean, Deshaun's done.
[17:39] Speaker 1: Can he Pickett? Forget it? He's better than Dylan Gabriel.
[17:42] Speaker 1: Flacco probably wins the job until Thanksgiving, but I wouldn't
[17:45] Speaker 1: be shocked if Shit gets a lot of reps later
[17:47] Speaker 1: in the season. I hope, so it would be fun
[17:48] Speaker 1: to watch. I want to watch him. But you know,
[17:51] Speaker 1: going back to my back, my first point is quarterback
[17:54] Speaker 1: dad is becoming pageant mom where the intentions are good,
[17:58] Speaker 1: but sometimes I think you hurt the kid. And I
[18:02] Speaker 1: just think those comments at the super Bowl and you
[18:05] Speaker 1: know we're going to dictate terms and there's places I'm
[18:07] Speaker 1: not going to let them. Gosh, they don't like that
[18:11] Speaker 1: at all. I don't like that at all. The volume

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