# Micah Parsons Immediate Impact, Purdy Impressive, Dolphins Are DONE, Bo Nix Was BAD, START Jaxson Dart

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 8 Sep 2025, 1 h 11 min.

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Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the first week of the NFL season. They start with the Packers drubbing the Lions, and highlight the lack of creativity of the Lions offense after losing OC Ben Johnson (3:00), and the immediate impact of Micah Parsons on the Packers defense (6:00). They laud Brock Purdy’s performance in the 49ers win over the Seahawks on the road but have serious questions about the 49ers ability to stay healthy (14:00). They recap a wildly entertaining Steelers win over the Jets and analyze Aaron Rodgers’ efficient distribution in the Steelers offense (25:00) and an impressive performance from Justin Fields (32:00). They declare the Dolphins season as DONE after being blown out by the Colts (35:00) and argue the Colts could challenge for the AFC South title (38:00). They break down the Raiders win over the Patriots and Colin argues that the Pats coaching staff may not trust Drake Maye (41:45) and the Raiders under Pete Carroll are going to win games in the tough AFC West (46:00). They discuss an ugly opening game for Bo Nix in a Broncos win that was powered by their league best pass rush and defense (55:45). Colin argues that the Giants need to start Jaxson Dart after Russell Wilson couldn’t sustain drives against the Commanders and worries Brian Daboll could lose the locker room if he doesn’t make a change (1:03:00). Finally, they look ahead to the Bears/Vikings Monday Night Football game and debate whether Caleb Williams could end up being a bust due to his personality and the “noise” that surrounds him (1:12:00). All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[1:13] Speaker 2: So let's start Packers twenty seven Lion six. There were
[1:17] Speaker 2: two things in the office a season that worried me.
[1:21] Speaker 2: They hired within the building. They lost two great coordinators,
[1:24] Speaker 2: Ben Johnson Aaron Glenn hired within the building. It was
[1:30] Speaker 2: an auspicious debut by the coordinators. The second thing that
[1:33] Speaker 2: worried me rebuilding the old line. They have really pushed
[1:36] Speaker 2: people around for the last several years. Up front they
[1:39] Speaker 2: averaged two point two yards of carry on the road. Also,
[1:43] Speaker 2: if you take Ben Johnson and McVeigh out of Jared
[1:45] Speaker 2: Goff's career, you know those are two whiz kids. So
[1:51] Speaker 2: we can get to Mike in a second. Let's talk
[1:53] Speaker 2: to Troy. They were not really that competitive. They didn't
[1:57] Speaker 2: get push up front. The rebuild of the old line
[2:00] Speaker 2: is a complete work in progress. Not clever offensively. This
[2:04] Speaker 2: is my problem with You know, you have an opening
[2:07] Speaker 2: at a company, Let's hire within the company. This is
[2:10] Speaker 2: the NFL, there's thirty two teams. Lions are elite, Go
[2:13] Speaker 2: get the best oc. What was your first impressions of
[2:16] Speaker 2: Detroit's offense.
[2:18] Speaker 1: Well, I think you're the first guy i've ever seen
[2:20] Speaker 1: that made a grand proclamation after the Hall of Fame game,
[2:23] Speaker 1: and you were right, they were a mess. I thought,
[2:26] Speaker 1: you know, Colin, were a little early. But one thing
[2:29] Speaker 1: was clear watching the Jets today is Aaron Glenn's a
[2:31] Speaker 1: pretty special motivator.
[2:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:33] Speaker 1: Now, I do think replacing the defensive coordinators are hard,
[2:36] Speaker 1: and a lot of times it does happen internally. I
[2:38] Speaker 1: mean the forty nine ers did it once upon a
[2:39] Speaker 1: time with Solids a demico. I think that's what Dan
[2:42] Speaker 1: so I don't have a problem with that one. But
[2:44] Speaker 1: anytime you hire basically a first time coordinator fifty five
[2:47] Speaker 1: years old in a day and age we're thirty something,
[2:50] Speaker 1: ocs are all over the pros in college just because
[2:53] Speaker 1: you know this guy. And all I kept hearing was
[2:55] Speaker 1: he's Sean Payton guy. He's John Gruden's guy. It's like,
[2:58] Speaker 1: why didn't they make him as coordinator over the years,
[3:01] Speaker 1: they never did so to me calling plays, most people
[3:05] Speaker 1: in the NFL, if you got him on a whiteboard,
[3:07] Speaker 1: would blow you away with their knowledge. But there is
[3:10] Speaker 1: something instinctive about a play caller about knowing when to
[3:13] Speaker 1: call plays, and today they look like a mess. Now
[3:16] Speaker 1: you know where I stood. I thought the Packers are
[3:18] Speaker 1: going to be good this year. Game was in Green Bay.
[3:21] Speaker 1: They were very motivated. How crappy they were last year,
[3:24] Speaker 1: especially in the division. This was a huge game for them.
[3:26] Speaker 1: Remember the Lions, you know, beat him twice last year,
[3:30] Speaker 1: so it historically Lions never won in Green Bay, so
[3:33] Speaker 1: I would say Green Bay had a lot to play
[3:35] Speaker 1: for it. But yeah, I mean it was it was ugly.
[3:38] Speaker 1: I listen. I mean, if Jordan Love's gonna play like
[3:41] Speaker 1: he did in the first half, they would beat a
[3:42] Speaker 1: lot of teams calling. I mean, he was like twelve
[3:44] Speaker 1: to sixteen through a couple of touchdowns. He looked like
[3:46] Speaker 1: twenty twelve or thirteen Aaron Rodgers, and I think the
[3:50] Speaker 1: way he was playing, the way Lafleur was calling plays,
[3:52] Speaker 1: their wide receivers were making plays. Yeah, they would have
[3:55] Speaker 1: beat this version of the Lions last year with the
[3:57] Speaker 1: coordinators I think today.
[3:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the I will say this about
[4:02] Speaker 2: Green Bay's defense. Micah opened it up for other players.
[4:06] Speaker 2: That was pretty obvious. He got a sack late. But
[4:09] Speaker 2: I do think his mere presence, and I think you
[4:12] Speaker 2: see this all the time. If McCaffrey's behind Brock Purdy.
[4:15] Speaker 2: It's a different offense whether he touches it or not.
[4:18] Speaker 2: And I think with Micah Parsons in the game, van
[4:21] Speaker 2: Ness had more opportunities. I just thought, to me, it
[4:26] Speaker 2: was like very obvious that the Lions went into this
[4:29] Speaker 2: game and the staff talked about listen when you see
[4:32] Speaker 2: Micah on the field, know where he's at. That's what
[4:35] Speaker 2: it felt like to me.
[4:37] Speaker 1: I do think I'm not going to ride out the
[4:39] Speaker 1: Lions just yet because this was a road divisional game
[4:42] Speaker 1: and this was I mean, they got their ass kicked.
[4:44] Speaker 1: If this would have been in Detroit, I would be
[4:46] Speaker 1: completely out. I'm gonna give him a little bit of
[4:48] Speaker 1: grace here, but you're right. The offensive line, to lose
[4:51] Speaker 1: your center, to lose a big time guard, they've really
[4:53] Speaker 1: hung their hat on that right the last three years. Yeah,
[4:55] Speaker 1: best offensive line of league, best offensive line the league.
[4:58] Speaker 1: The quarterback can't move. He's really the last of a
[5:01] Speaker 1: dying breathe. Right. You watch college football, they all can move.
[5:04] Speaker 1: You watch the NFL. All these quarterbacks can move. Watching
[5:07] Speaker 1: Darnold and Perty today and they're average athletes, right, So
[5:11] Speaker 1: a guy like that is something we would have seen
[5:12] Speaker 1: fifteen twenty thirty years ago. They don't exist anymore. So
[5:16] Speaker 1: when you can't protect Goff is a sitting duck. And
[5:18] Speaker 1: that is the one thing where a great play caller
[5:21] Speaker 1: can't help him out. And I think Johnny Morton, I
[5:25] Speaker 1: was like, God, that name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, he
[5:27] Speaker 1: was the wide receiver coach on all those Harbaugh teams
[5:29] Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers. Yeah, well that everyone was
[5:31] Speaker 1: getting jobs. Then how are people interested in If that
[5:33] Speaker 1: guy couldn't get a job off that staff, pretty big
[5:36] Speaker 1: red flag. And honestly, it couldn't come back to buy
[5:38] Speaker 1: Dan Campbell big time. If this is if that's the
[5:41] Speaker 1: display that we're going to see throughout the season, they'd
[5:43] Speaker 1: be in major trouble come because that division is too good.
[5:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was funny.
[5:46] Speaker 2: I had Green Bay's playoff team but in second place
[5:49] Speaker 2: all off season. Then I finally flipped it and put
[5:51] Speaker 2: green Bay winning the division. And I think the thing
[5:54] Speaker 2: that I really came back on is if you looked
[5:57] Speaker 2: at Green Bay with all the injuries they had to
[6:00] Speaker 2: Jordan Love and all the youth they had at tight
[6:03] Speaker 2: end and wide receiver, and they're still winning double digit games.
[6:06] Speaker 2: I mean, they won games with Malik Willis, who got
[6:08] Speaker 2: thrown onto the squad in like.
[6:10] Speaker 3: August last year.
[6:11] Speaker 2: And it's like that tells you organizationally and coaching, they're
[6:15] Speaker 2: a pretty special group. Plus their defensive coordinator now gets
[6:17] Speaker 2: a second year that we've seen that a lot where
[6:20] Speaker 2: it's a second year for a coordinator. I mean, Mike McDonald.
[6:23] Speaker 2: Seahawks in year two look pretty special today at times.
[6:26] Speaker 2: So you know, I just I think Green Bay is
[6:30] Speaker 2: a great example. You know, they've they went after Charles
[6:33] Speaker 2: Woodson or a Reggie White or a Micah Parsons. They rarely,
[6:37] Speaker 2: very infrequently go out of their comfort zone. Big trades
[6:42] Speaker 2: are big, big free agents, but they generally do it
[6:45] Speaker 2: and they're right. It's like drafting quarterbacks and big free
[6:48] Speaker 2: agent signings. They don't miss a lot, you know, from
[6:52] Speaker 2: Aaron to Brett to Jordan, you know, and when I
[6:55] Speaker 2: watched Jordan love the one thing I like about him,
[6:58] Speaker 2: I'd compare him more to Far than I would Aaron Rodgers,
[7:00] Speaker 2: where you know, if he throws a pick, he doesn't,
[7:03] Speaker 2: it doesn't change his mood. He's kind of a let
[7:05] Speaker 2: it rip guy. He was that at Utah State.
[7:07] Speaker 3: He is now.
[7:09] Speaker 2: There's a certain I mean it's kind of cool when
[7:12] Speaker 2: your quarterback's young and all his tight ends and receivers
[7:15] Speaker 2: are young. Like at the end Brady was playing. You know,
[7:18] Speaker 2: he didn't have any patients for young receivers for New England,
[7:22] Speaker 2: and Aaron doesn't love playing with young, you know, tight
[7:25] Speaker 2: ends or young receivers. I get it, but Jordan loved
[7:28] Speaker 2: generationally all these tight ends and all receivers are probably
[7:32] Speaker 2: the same music, the same tech, there's the same age.
[7:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the first half he looked like the
[7:37] Speaker 1: guy that played two years ago down the stretch those
[7:40] Speaker 1: six seven games, which essentially got him a massive contract.
[7:45] Speaker 1: But the Micah Parsons move, you know, Reggie White was
[7:47] Speaker 1: a true free agent. It was the first year free
[7:49] Speaker 1: agency ever existed, so was Charles Woodson. They gave up nothing, well,
[7:53] Speaker 1: they did give up multiple first round picks. That has
[7:56] Speaker 1: no impact on the twenty twenty five season. So they
[7:58] Speaker 1: essentially just traded Kenny Klak straight up. Yeah, for Michah
[8:01] Speaker 1: Parsons this season. So you're watching them, they get a
[8:04] Speaker 1: huge upgrade in terms of the edge. You could tell.
[8:06] Speaker 1: I mean Micah, I know he was working out on
[8:08] Speaker 1: the side in ox Nard and with the Cowboys. He's
[8:10] Speaker 1: not in football shape because he hasn't been playing football,
[8:13] Speaker 1: but I would imagine by October. Yeah, I mean, can
[8:15] Speaker 1: you imagine him and Gary coming off because Gary is
[8:18] Speaker 1: much more kind of a complete rugged Yes, you know
[8:21] Speaker 1: defensive line presence, Well, Mike, is that true? Ferrari off
[8:24] Speaker 1: the edge and this coach. You know, I don't know
[8:27] Speaker 1: if Hafley's going to get an NFL job. It's a
[8:29] Speaker 1: little more difficult sometimes for defensive coaches. But he's going
[8:32] Speaker 1: to be a number one candidate in college. Yeah right,
[8:34] Speaker 1: I mean some of the big power for school. I mean,
[8:35] Speaker 1: he's a big time coach who's putting a pretty impressive
[8:38] Speaker 1: resume on the defensive side, a place where the Packers
[8:41] Speaker 1: have not been good coin Yeah, I mean they haven't
[8:43] Speaker 1: been good for a long long time on outside.
[8:45] Speaker 2: Of the That's why I defended the Micah Parsons move.
[8:48] Speaker 2: It's like, when's the last time you got a consistent
[8:50] Speaker 2: dominant edge rusher. They just don't do it. And it's
[8:53] Speaker 2: interesting because through the years they've spent their first round
[8:55] Speaker 2: picks on defensive players, but the problem is they're always
[8:58] Speaker 2: so good. It's generally late first round and that's kind
[9:02] Speaker 2: of no man's land, so that you know you're getting
[9:04] Speaker 2: the safety or the corner or you know, the outside
[9:07] Speaker 2: linebacker who's like the twenty fourth best you know prospect.
[9:11] Speaker 2: Well that you're paying at first round salary for a
[9:13] Speaker 2: guy that's gmsfer you take in the second round. So
[9:17] Speaker 2: that's the that's the downside to being excellent. Is there
[9:20] Speaker 2: draft picks in the first round or late? I just
[9:24] Speaker 2: I look at Green Bay as a place where Mike
[9:26] Speaker 2: and I heard some things, you know, last year about
[9:29] Speaker 2: Micah off the field.
[9:30] Speaker 3: And not great in the locker room.
[9:31] Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff came out when ESPN threw
[9:33] Speaker 2: a slew of excellent reporters on it. My take was,
[9:37] Speaker 2: that's that's Dallas leaking stories to cover their face, right,
[9:41] Speaker 2: cover their ass on the trade and make Micah look bad.
[9:44] Speaker 2: But Mike is going to work in Green Bay. Mike
[9:46] Speaker 2: is going to be there.
[9:47] Speaker 3: He's by the.
[9:48] Speaker 2: Way, he got a in the first half. First of all,
[9:52] Speaker 2: his introduction, it was like a Super Bowl introduction. Then
[9:54] Speaker 2: in the first half he got a good rush. He
[9:57] Speaker 2: just got he didn't get anybody, but a good rush.
[9:59] Speaker 2: The crowd right crazy. So he's gonna love that for
[10:01] Speaker 2: the next six months he is going to be, you know,
[10:06] Speaker 2: the bell of the ball.
[10:08] Speaker 1: Most human beings aren't natural leaders. Whether you're a football player,
[10:12] Speaker 1: whether you work in a company, most human beings, even
[10:15] Speaker 1: at the highest level of any industry, are somewhat followers.
[10:19] Speaker 1: So you blend in to where you're at. The Cowboys
[10:22] Speaker 1: are a pretty chaotic place. I mean, it's not very
[10:25] Speaker 1: normal relative to the rest of the league. I think
[10:27] Speaker 1: if you put a lot of guys in Green Bay situation,
[10:30] Speaker 1: how many people over the last ten, fifteen, twenty years, honestly,
[10:33] Speaker 1: even going back to far had problems in Green Bay.
[10:36] Speaker 1: It's a pretty easy place to blend in a lot
[10:39] Speaker 1: of people with the Cowboys just have it's covered a
[10:42] Speaker 1: little bit different. The owner has a unique presence, not
[10:46] Speaker 1: just in the team, but in the like you I
[10:48] Speaker 1: heard you talking last week. You have to wave to
[10:50] Speaker 1: people on tours. It's not a normal operation for the NFL.
[10:54] Speaker 1: He gets to be pretty low key in Green Bay. Yeah,
[10:57] Speaker 1: I mean that was nas kicking today. That really was.
[11:00] Speaker 1: But even if the Lions, I mean, if the Lions
[11:02] Speaker 1: were to miss the playoffs, let's just say this is
[11:04] Speaker 1: kind of a year from hell for them. They won
[11:06] Speaker 1: fifteen games last year, that'd be a pretty big step back,
[11:09] Speaker 1: right If you won nine eight games, that'd be a
[11:12] Speaker 1: problem and Campbell would probably have to fire this guy immediately.
[11:15] Speaker 1: As offense, I.
[11:16] Speaker 2: Think one of the things you said earlier Goff is,
[11:19] Speaker 2: you know, by football terms, kind of a dinosaur as
[11:22] Speaker 2: a non mobile quarterback. He was great when the rams
[11:26] Speaker 2: O line was great. As Whitworth got older, he wasn't
[11:29] Speaker 2: as dominant, and today he looked out of sorts. So
[11:32] Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things where you know, Matt
[11:35] Speaker 2: Stafford is one of the is the only guy in
[11:36] Speaker 2: the league under pressure that can shred a defense. He
[11:41] Speaker 2: is a different cat all right. Time to look at
[11:44] Speaker 2: this weekend's tasty his matchup in this week's Sunday Night
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[11:55] Speaker 2: This was a wildly frustrated game if you're a Niner fan,
[12:02] Speaker 2: so i'd my first take is this brock Purty had
[12:04] Speaker 2: two picks, but I thought it was one of the
[12:07] Speaker 2: more impressive outings I've ever seen for brock Purty. I
[12:11] Speaker 2: really meant that everything's going against him. You're on the road,
[12:14] Speaker 2: one of the loudest stadiums. Seattle's defense is really good
[12:18] Speaker 2: and really young. Jake Moody field goal missed, field goal blocked,
[12:23] Speaker 2: So there's frustration. George Kittle gets hurt. Trent Williams, you've
[12:26] Speaker 2: heard of the Blue Man group. The Niners have a
[12:28] Speaker 2: blue tent group. They got old dudes. The head of
[12:31] Speaker 2: the blue tent a lot, and I thought twenty six
[12:34] Speaker 2: of thirty five two seventy seven a great last. Right, Well,
[12:37] Speaker 2: it's amazing that touchdown passed to the tight end Tyreek Woohlan.
[12:44] Speaker 2: Really when he let it go, you were like, oh
[12:46] Speaker 2: my god, this is a terrible throw.
[12:49] Speaker 3: But that's the NFL.
[12:50] Speaker 1: You have to.
[12:50] Speaker 3: Throw guys open. So he goes.
[12:52] Speaker 2: He throws the ball into a crowd. When the balls released,
[12:56] Speaker 2: it looks like a pick. But you know the dB
[13:00] Speaker 2: got burned twice on that same drive. So my take
[13:03] Speaker 2: is the stat line two TD's two picks won't speak
[13:07] Speaker 2: well of Brock Purty.
[13:08] Speaker 3: I was really impressed.
[13:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean their offensive line is not great. I
[13:12] Speaker 1: mean he's running for his life. If he couldn't move,
[13:14] Speaker 1: they would be in major trouble. I mean his mobility
[13:17] Speaker 1: and keeping plays alive. I also think, and I've come
[13:19] Speaker 1: to grips with this because I remember when he came
[13:22] Speaker 1: out and he started playing well in the NFL. I
[13:24] Speaker 1: started texting around him, like how how I understand he's smaller,
[13:27] Speaker 1: but he couldn't go on the fourth or fifth round.
[13:29] Speaker 1: People thought he was an awful decision maker, which is
[13:32] Speaker 1: ironic because Kyle Shanahan, you'd think want a great decision maker.
[13:35] Speaker 1: He's got a little gun slinger in him. Yeah. I
[13:37] Speaker 1: always said, like, you got to play like Breeze, no
[13:39] Speaker 1: turning the ball over a little like Rogers, never put
[13:42] Speaker 1: the ball in harm's way. We're going on if you
[13:45] Speaker 1: go back to last year, how many second half interceptions
[13:47] Speaker 1: this guy throwing? And he's throwing some pretty bad ones,
[13:50] Speaker 1: and like you said, that game winning touchdown when the
[13:53] Speaker 1: ball left his hands, I thought, interception in interception of
[13:55] Speaker 1: the half devastating And listen, he gave his guy a chance.
[13:59] Speaker 1: He's got to be driving Kyle a little nuts. But
[14:01] Speaker 1: part of that is also the playmaking that he comes through, because,
[14:04] Speaker 1: like you said, Kittle's out early in the game. After
[14:06] Speaker 1: Kittle the first drive of the game looked like you know,
[14:09] Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer Juwan Jennings. As the game goes on,
[14:11] Speaker 1: hurts his shoulder, he's out, he's throwing to people. I
[14:14] Speaker 1: follow this team pretty close. I have no clue who
[14:15] Speaker 1: these guys are. I mean, who's he throwing these balls to.
[14:18] Speaker 1: Obviously Ricky Piersoll that that that looks like for as
[14:21] Speaker 1: bad as the Drake Jake Moody draft pick is, Ricky
[14:24] Speaker 1: Piersoll was fantastic. He was he was, and I'm with you. Listen,
[14:27] Speaker 1: these guys swear by brock Purdy because mentally tough does
[14:32] Speaker 1: not just go into the tank after I mean he
[14:34] Speaker 1: easily could have gotten into the tank after both interceptions,
[14:36] Speaker 1: and he keeps swinging h You know. McCaffrey obviously helps.
[14:40] Speaker 1: I mean he's oh a huge.
[14:41] Speaker 2: O's amazing how often he makes four out of one?
[14:45] Speaker 2: Sha Kwan Barkley does this. We get caught up on
[14:48] Speaker 2: the big explosive run Barkley and Christian McCaffrey. I mean,
[14:51] Speaker 2: how many times was there nothing there? And he squirts
[14:54] Speaker 2: out three and a half four yards. He's so devastating.
[14:59] Speaker 1: I think the offense is very, very difficult to operate,
[15:02] Speaker 1: and Kyle is not the easiest guy to deal with
[15:04] Speaker 1: as a quarterback, and I think he has a lot. Honestly,
[15:08] Speaker 1: he should have more faith in Brock. There were a
[15:10] Speaker 1: couple of times in the middle of the games, like
[15:11] Speaker 1: they're running it right up the middles, Like, hey, every
[15:14] Speaker 1: if I on my couch know the balls going up
[15:16] Speaker 1: the middle of McCaffrey. Have some faith in this guy.
[15:18] Speaker 1: Let him make some plays, Let his mobility come out
[15:21] Speaker 1: to play. At the end of the game, they didn't
[15:22] Speaker 1: have a choice, and Brock came through. Now, I do
[15:25] Speaker 1: think there's a little element of luck with the touchdown pass.
[15:28] Speaker 1: I mean, that's sure. I don't know where you would
[15:30] Speaker 1: land on that. You know, it's not the greatest decision.
[15:32] Speaker 1: I know it worked. Listen, sometimes in the NFL, you
[15:35] Speaker 1: got a six four to sixty five guy, you gotta
[15:37] Speaker 1: let him have an opportunity to make a play, and
[15:40] Speaker 1: he did. Because I'm with you, I thought Rock would
[15:42] Speaker 1: have if they would have lost this game. Now, the
[15:44] Speaker 1: interceptions were not a deal. They had a lot of
[15:46] Speaker 1: other stuff going on that they had to fix. And
[15:48] Speaker 1: whenever you don't have a kicker, it's kind of like
[15:49] Speaker 1: having a bad bullpen, you know, having an NBA guy
[15:52] Speaker 1: that always has bad fouls like it's it's sometimes it's
[15:55] Speaker 1: hard to overcome that, and that's that's a big picture
[15:57] Speaker 1: problem for the Niners. But hey, listen, you get a
[15:59] Speaker 1: win on the road. As Greg Olsen was saying, he's like, God,
[16:02] Speaker 1: this place is really loud right now. It's hard to hear.
[16:04] Speaker 1: So I got to feel pretty good. Though they had
[16:06] Speaker 1: some major injuries.
[16:07] Speaker 2: Well, they got a little break on the touchdown. And
[16:09] Speaker 2: plus Sam Darnold goes up the left sideline for forty one.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Seattle's poised to win it. And then Darnald and this
[16:17] Speaker 2: has been one of his knocks where he brings the
[16:19] Speaker 2: ball down and up. He's got a slower release. That's
[16:22] Speaker 2: been one of the knocks. And he brings the ball
[16:25] Speaker 2: up and hits a teammate. It's on the carpet. Bosa
[16:28] Speaker 2: alertly picks it up. I mean, good for Bosa, but
[16:31] Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, that's a little bit of locked.
[16:34] Speaker 2: Sam fumbles it hitting a teammate because he was ready
[16:37] Speaker 2: to let it rip. So I think these teams I
[16:40] Speaker 2: took Sea. I went three and two in my blazing five.
[16:42] Speaker 2: If Donald scores there on four and one, so I
[16:45] Speaker 2: was pretty happy with it. But the truth is, when
[16:47] Speaker 2: I watched that game, the difference is in Thanksgiving, which
[16:52] Speaker 2: team do you think is healthier? And that's been my
[16:55] Speaker 2: knock on San Francisco. I thought today it was a
[16:57] Speaker 2: must win for the Niners. I did not think it
[17:00] Speaker 2: was a must win for the Seahawks because Seattle's got
[17:02] Speaker 2: more athletes that are young. Younger athletes recover more quickly,
[17:06] Speaker 2: and over a seventeen game schedule, guys get dinged up. So,
[17:09] Speaker 2: I mean Game one, Kittle gets hurt, Trent Williams in
[17:12] Speaker 2: the blue tent. You know, mccaffree'll miss a Gamer two.
[17:15] Speaker 2: That's the reality of this team. Wu Funga's gone, green
[17:18] Speaker 2: Law's gone. So I mean, there's like, you know, Bosa
[17:20] Speaker 2: tends to miss a game or two. So I thought
[17:22] Speaker 2: it was a I mean this to me, this was
[17:24] Speaker 2: a big forty nine er win. Everybody will go, oh,
[17:27] Speaker 2: it's the opener. It felt big to me.
[17:30] Speaker 1: Oh, especially with you know, felt like the kicker was
[17:32] Speaker 1: gonna blow it. I thought the big winner today for
[17:34] Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, beside Perty on that game winning
[17:36] Speaker 1: throw was Robert Salva. And you talk about coordinators, and
[17:41] Speaker 1: he was on the fence about coming out, are coming back.
[17:44] Speaker 1: There were a lot of different reports. They threw a
[17:46] Speaker 1: ton of money at the guy. Remember a couple of
[17:48] Speaker 1: years ago when the Eagles got Fangio. Fangio wanted to
[17:51] Speaker 1: go there. He couldn't wait to get to Miami. You know,
[17:52] Speaker 1: Robert had a lot of options. He just made a
[17:54] Speaker 1: ton of money being a head coach. He could have
[17:56] Speaker 1: easily taken six months off. They were bagging him. I mean,
[17:59] Speaker 1: if the Niners hadn't gotten, they would have been in
[18:00] Speaker 1: major trouble beside Bosa. You know, Fred Warner gets stinged
[18:04] Speaker 1: up early in the game. Niners got a lot of
[18:06] Speaker 1: random guys out there running around on defense making place.
[18:09] Speaker 1: And I think Robert Sala one major question mark since
[18:12] Speaker 1: the Miko got the job with Houston. They went through
[18:14] Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes, who was a weird fit. They had a
[18:17] Speaker 1: guy last year who was a special teams coordinator. It
[18:20] Speaker 1: didn't work with Sorenson. And now you've got Robert Sala,
[18:23] Speaker 1: a guy that knows what he's doing. I mean, think
[18:25] Speaker 1: about the Jets defense. Hell, even the Jets defense. I
[18:27] Speaker 1: like Aaron defense getting points, but Robert Sala has proven yes,
[18:32] Speaker 1: you know I think we need to talk about him
[18:34] Speaker 1: as one of the better defensive Part of question isn't
[18:37] Speaker 1: even just scheme, it's it's motivation. I think he's kind
[18:40] Speaker 1: of the total package. So the Niners. He came big today.
[18:43] Speaker 1: He was awesome.
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[19:05] Speaker 2: All right, let's talk Pittsburgh thirty four, Jets thirty two
[19:08] Speaker 2: in a wildly entertaining game.
[19:11] Speaker 3: I think this was.
[19:12] Speaker 2: One of the best one o'clock window games I've ever watched.
[19:15] Speaker 2: I'm dead serious. It was fricking crazy. So let's talk
[19:19] Speaker 2: about Let's talk about Pittsburgh's win. I mean it's interesting
[19:23] Speaker 2: with Aaron, he's a statue. He got sacked four times,
[19:27] Speaker 2: he got rocked late in the fourth.
[19:30] Speaker 3: I mean it was brutal.
[19:32] Speaker 2: I didn't know if he was going to get up.
[19:35] Speaker 2: But I think his mindset with this team is, listen,
[19:38] Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the distributor. He's gonna be a little
[19:40] Speaker 2: Chris Paul. He's gonna be tough. He's occasionally gonna make
[19:44] Speaker 2: a great shot, but by and large he's going.
[19:47] Speaker 3: To distribute lead.
[19:49] Speaker 2: And I thought from that vantage point, I mean, again,
[19:53] Speaker 2: old Chris Paul can't defend like young Chris Paul, but
[19:55] Speaker 2: there is something about guidance and leadership and distribution. I
[20:00] Speaker 2: thought overall that it was about considering his immobility. It
[20:04] Speaker 2: was in his first game, and he's not been great
[20:07] Speaker 2: in openers. The last reopeners I covered with the Jets
[20:10] Speaker 2: and the points. But I will say I thought Aaron
[20:13] Speaker 2: overall his mindset, he said this, I am here to
[20:16] Speaker 2: elevate others and that I'm impressed with.
[20:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with that defense, which they were gonna be good,
[20:22] Speaker 1: was gonna have to be a top five defense. They
[20:24] Speaker 1: got shreded today. I mean, Justin Fields looked like he
[20:26] Speaker 1: was at Ohio Statey Games. The best game ever, big time.
[20:30] Speaker 1: He didn't he was all now, didn't miss a throw. Look,
[20:34] Speaker 1: calm in the pocket, was running around like he was
[20:36] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. He was excellent.
[20:39] Speaker 2: He was I'm gonna tell you something. There's a stat
[20:41] Speaker 2: he didn't have a single off target throw. I'm sitting
[20:45] Speaker 2: with great, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking I've always
[20:47] Speaker 2: been I've always said he's a bouncer on the league guy.
[20:50] Speaker 2: You can't build around him. It's the first time I've
[20:52] Speaker 2: ever watched him and went.
[20:54] Speaker 3: Oh shit, you can build around justin fields.
[20:56] Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what his numbers were, but if
[20:58] Speaker 1: they had won the game, I would have problem giving
[21:00] Speaker 1: him Player of the Week. He was, you could still
[21:03] Speaker 1: give it to him. He was fantastic. One thing we
[21:06] Speaker 1: have to come to grips with the Rodgers because it's
[21:07] Speaker 1: easy to do this. Well, you got to give him
[21:09] Speaker 1: that extra year after the A kill's not the first
[21:11] Speaker 1: year after that. It's too He's he's Jared Goff. Mobility, yes,
[21:14] Speaker 1: he cam, he is. His day is moving or done. Yeah,
[21:17] Speaker 1: you watch Purty Darnold, even some guys the average mobility,
[21:20] Speaker 1: he's not even close to them. So that's a big
[21:22] Speaker 1: problem for him. So some of those back shoulders, you know,
[21:25] Speaker 1: or back foot throws, which he's always done, don't. The
[21:29] Speaker 1: zip's not quite the same. Still got a good arm,
[21:31] Speaker 1: but I thought some of those back foot throws that
[21:34] Speaker 1: he had in Green Bay forever where he could throw
[21:36] Speaker 1: ninety eight, probably ninety one, ninety two. Now so now
[21:40] Speaker 1: he's smart, he's accurate with the ball, so he's still
[21:43] Speaker 1: you know some of those you know balls around the
[21:45] Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Get it to his guys DK let
[21:47] Speaker 1: him run. But and listen offensively, what did he account
[21:50] Speaker 1: for four touchdowns to day? He was not He was fine.
[21:53] Speaker 1: But I did watch this thinking like we have to
[21:56] Speaker 1: kind of embrace last year, like this is a new
[21:58] Speaker 1: player now well the Hall of Fame. I'm not saying
[22:01] Speaker 1: he's Manning and Brady just purely in the pocket, but
[22:04] Speaker 1: he's much closer to that than the guy that was
[22:06] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for that's fifteen years and to me, if
[22:10] Speaker 1: they're going to be good, though, they have to be
[22:12] Speaker 1: a top light defense. Watching that game today, I know
[22:15] Speaker 1: they pulled it off. They're still playing the Jets, who
[22:16] Speaker 1: probably can end up winning six to seven games.
[22:18] Speaker 2: They have no chance to be a good time and
[22:20] Speaker 2: they only averaged They only average two point seven yards
[22:23] Speaker 2: of carry. And this has been a problem. So Najee
[22:25] Speaker 2: Harris is gone. This has been a problem for Pittsburgh
[22:28] Speaker 2: for about six years. They have talented offensive linemen. They've
[22:33] Speaker 2: used draft capital on their offensive line. I mean the
[22:36] Speaker 2: kid from West Virginia, the center is going to be
[22:38] Speaker 2: a pro bowler, if not already. So my take is
[22:41] Speaker 2: this is sort of a Steeler dilemma. It's not Arthur
[22:44] Speaker 2: Smith's issue. Whatever it is. They don't run the ball. Well,
[22:47] Speaker 2: there's a way Aaron's going to have to win. I
[22:50] Speaker 2: mean the Jets, let's be honest, We're picked for fourth.
[22:53] Speaker 2: So now they may be better than that, but they
[22:55] Speaker 2: were picked for fourth. But for Aaron to work, he
[22:59] Speaker 2: needs a running game. And that was one of my
[23:02] Speaker 2: issues is the Steelers just haven't done that in forever.
[23:05] Speaker 1: Well, I gotta take the l on this. I like
[23:07] Speaker 1: the Iowa kid. He clearly had a disastrous training camp.
[23:11] Speaker 1: He had one carry today for negative two yards. And
[23:13] Speaker 1: you listen, he was a third round pick. Breese Hall
[23:16] Speaker 1: a second round pick. If you just watch Breese Hall today,
[23:18] Speaker 1: you went, that's an NFL running back like that guy
[23:21] Speaker 1: making guys miss, making explosive plays. You should be able
[23:24] Speaker 1: to find guys on the second day of the draft.
[23:26] Speaker 1: Second or third did immediately impact. Now, I understand Briese's
[23:28] Speaker 1: been in the league for a couple of years, but
[23:31] Speaker 1: the Caleb Johnson thing has been a disaster so far,
[23:33] Speaker 1: and they depended on him because Jalen Warren, he really
[23:36] Speaker 1: is a rotational scap back throwing the ball a little bit,
[23:39] Speaker 1: but he's by far their best back. They can't rely
[23:41] Speaker 1: on this other guy, Kenneth Gadwell was like a back end,
[23:45] Speaker 1: rotational guy for the Eagles, so that they do have
[23:48] Speaker 1: a starting running back issue well, and so like luckily
[23:53] Speaker 1: they have some you know DK that Austin's pretty explosive player, Freyerman,
[23:57] Speaker 1: they have a lot of weapons in terms of like
[23:59] Speaker 1: the past, the ball, but the running game. Like you said,
[24:02] Speaker 1: if Caleb Johnson, let's just say this year is a
[24:04] Speaker 1: disaster form not a bust or anything. But he's just
[24:07] Speaker 1: year one is a negative. Yeah, that's a problem, and
[24:11] Speaker 1: I think they would have to start looking around. Listen,
[24:13] Speaker 1: they're all in on this season. Do you trade for
[24:15] Speaker 1: a running back?
[24:17] Speaker 2: Watching the game, my take was before the trade deadline,
[24:21] Speaker 2: Steelers are going to look around this league. There's going
[24:23] Speaker 2: to be a good running back and a bad team,
[24:25] Speaker 2: and they're going to give up a third or fourth
[24:27] Speaker 2: round pick. But watching this game, I'm like, listen, this
[24:30] Speaker 2: Jets team is I mean, we thought they were a
[24:33] Speaker 2: lottery team next year, a top six pick next year.
[24:36] Speaker 2: We don't know if Aaron Glenn's can coach. I mean
[24:38] Speaker 2: Aaron glenn On the defense was a mess. So I
[24:41] Speaker 2: think the Steelers keep your eye on.
[24:43] Speaker 3: Them making a move. And I don't know who that
[24:44] Speaker 3: running back is going to be.
[24:46] Speaker 1: I mean it could be Breece Hall. I mean he
[24:48] Speaker 1: wants a new contract. Who knows what. If the Jets
[24:50] Speaker 1: are two and four, two and five, I will say it,
[24:53] Speaker 1: give him a third round pick, get.
[24:55] Speaker 2: Him beyond Justin Fields and Breecee Hall. The left side
[24:59] Speaker 2: of the offensive line, I mean that's what they attacked.
[25:01] Speaker 2: The left side of the jets on line was creating
[25:04] Speaker 2: big crevices, big creases. So whatever in Elaja Vera Tucker
[25:09] Speaker 2: got hurt, I thought, oh the Jets all line. What
[25:11] Speaker 2: a bomber. He former USC guy gets banged up a lot.
[25:14] Speaker 2: But they some of those holes were substantial. So and
[25:18] Speaker 2: you know the thing about Justin Fields is that there
[25:23] Speaker 2: are certain boxes. John, you're a former scout. If I
[25:26] Speaker 2: said there's this guy, teammates love him. Good size, really
[25:30] Speaker 2: good arm, super athletic. I mean, there's no reason he
[25:36] Speaker 2: doesn't look like this more often. I mean, we never
[25:39] Speaker 2: know if a guy sees the field does he process stuff.
[25:41] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[25:42] Speaker 2: We're not there. But in terms of size, whip move it.
[25:46] Speaker 2: He also plays courageously like he will collide with people.
[25:49] Speaker 2: In fact, almost to a fault. He doesn't slide. He
[25:52] Speaker 2: did once today smartly he slid. But there's when you
[25:55] Speaker 2: he was foreign to with the Steelers last year. If
[25:57] Speaker 2: you extrapolated his numbers last year, you know he was
[26:01] Speaker 2: gonna be like a ninety five quarterback rating guy, which
[26:03] Speaker 2: is a starter in the NFL. So I think if
[26:06] Speaker 2: you're a Jets fan, you had to come out of
[26:08] Speaker 2: this game feeling like, hey man, this this justin fields
[26:12] Speaker 2: Bresee Hall, Garrett Wilson. They found their left tackle, left
[26:16] Speaker 2: side of the offensive line, I'd be pretty optimi. I mean,
[26:19] Speaker 2: Miami is cooked, so I mean and by the way,
[26:22] Speaker 2: New England offensively looked timid, like they don't trust Drake
[26:27] Speaker 2: may If I'm the Jets, I come out of this
[26:29] Speaker 2: game and I'm like, no, no, we can battle for
[26:31] Speaker 2: a playoff spot. That was my big takeaway on that division.
[26:34] Speaker 2: We'll watch Buffalo Baltimore tonight. But I mean New England
[26:38] Speaker 2: they don't trust Rake may Or, they don't have the juice.
[26:41] Speaker 3: But Miami is done.
[26:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami's got awful. I mean he was already the
[26:48] Speaker 1: first guy to get fired on all the betting markets.
[26:50] Speaker 1: That thing's a lock, and that team was gonna suck
[26:52] Speaker 1: no matter what. I mean. People playing them in joint
[26:54] Speaker 1: practices like, hey, I'm not sure what's going on over there.
[26:57] Speaker 1: When you hear that, they're like, what, oh, what is this?
[26:59] Speaker 1: I do think really quick on fields. One thing we
[27:01] Speaker 1: don't talk about enough. And one when I was doing
[27:05] Speaker 1: your show down in LA I was talking with some
[27:07] Speaker 1: of your guys when we were getting coffee. They're like,
[27:09] Speaker 1: what's something that if you could do it over again,
[27:11] Speaker 1: you would have done differently? And I said, the one
[27:13] Speaker 1: thing I've learned, and I think this carries over to
[27:15] Speaker 1: you know, you know our business work with a bunch
[27:17] Speaker 1: of different people, is the power of character. And when
[27:20] Speaker 1: you are a quarterback, I mean, all the best quarterbacks
[27:23] Speaker 1: in the NFL their character, their character is pretty elite. Yeah,
[27:26] Speaker 1: I mean when you when you look at this group
[27:27] Speaker 1: of guys. Fields got replaced in Chicago and then the
[27:30] Speaker 1: situation last year in Pittsburgh handled himself, I mean incredibly well. Yes,
[27:35] Speaker 1: I mean Russell, this started leaking stuff immediately when the
[27:39] Speaker 1: season ended about Arthur Smith and pointing the figure I've
[27:41] Speaker 1: never heard a peep from Justin Fields or his people
[27:44] Speaker 1: never heard a beep, and you just watched the way
[27:46] Speaker 1: the guy's characters. Everyone has ever had high things or
[27:49] Speaker 1: good things to say about him, even when Ryan Poles
[27:51] Speaker 1: traded him, He's like, you know, I felt like I
[27:53] Speaker 1: owed him something, just what a good guy he is.
[27:55] Speaker 1: I've been blown away. I didn't think he was a
[27:57] Speaker 1: good enough passer, and today whatever they're doing just calmed
[28:00] Speaker 1: him down a little bit because he's already always had
[28:03] Speaker 1: the arm I think sometimes touch A lot of people
[28:05] Speaker 1: thought like when he got in the pocket he would
[28:07] Speaker 1: get He just struggled to fluidly read defenses in terms
[28:12] Speaker 1: of like we just it happens to a lot of guys.
[28:14] Speaker 1: Sam was a knock on Sam Darnald. Sometimes you get
[28:16] Speaker 1: to a place where people believe in you and you
[28:19] Speaker 1: can just play instead of think yeah, you know. And
[28:23] Speaker 1: I saw a guy today that was just kind of
[28:25] Speaker 1: playing yeah, and it looked very fluid a lot like
[28:27] Speaker 1: he did in college. Because his athletic and just physical
[28:30] Speaker 1: tools are pretty elite of the he had the best
[28:33] Speaker 1: physical tools of the group like Trevor Lawrence went number one.
[28:36] Speaker 1: He had better physical.
[28:37] Speaker 3: Tools than Trevor Lawrence.
[28:38] Speaker 2: Listen, of the six boxes you check, size, movement, quality,
[28:43] Speaker 2: guy arm four of them.
[28:46] Speaker 3: He's like an a.
[28:48] Speaker 2: So I mean to me there there he And I
[28:50] Speaker 2: always said this, Baker and Sam Darnold, they checked too
[28:53] Speaker 2: many boxes to be busts. Justin Fields arguably checks more.
[28:58] Speaker 2: So I was really happy for him today was to
[29:00] Speaker 2: watch Speaker. Let's talk Miami, We're not going to talk
[29:02] Speaker 2: too much. Colts beat him thirty three to eight. Okay,
[29:06] Speaker 2: First of all, I've been saying this for years. I
[29:09] Speaker 2: like the Colts roster. They can't get the quarterback right.
[29:12] Speaker 2: When you watched the roster of Miami today against the
[29:16] Speaker 2: roster of the Colts, I'm not sure how many Dolphins
[29:19] Speaker 2: could start for Indy. The Tua Tyreek Hill thing is
[29:23] Speaker 2: done Mike McDaniel, but I won't blame him entirely. When
[29:27] Speaker 2: you have Tua as a quarterback, there's two things. You
[29:29] Speaker 2: have to have a good on line and a backup quarterback,
[29:32] Speaker 2: and they don't. So I think it's Chris Careers, the
[29:34] Speaker 2: general manager. A lot of this heats on him. It's
[29:36] Speaker 2: not a good enough. Yeah, he's been atrocious. I mean
[29:39] Speaker 2: you have to have a good on line with Tua,
[29:41] Speaker 2: you have to have a good on line with Jared Goff.
[29:45] Speaker 2: And so I mean Daniel Jones went seven for seven
[29:49] Speaker 2: for seven on drives. Never been done, said that, Red
[29:52] Speaker 2: Zone said not since nineteen ninety one. They couldn't find it.
[29:56] Speaker 2: So this goes back to Shane Steiken. There's there's two
[29:59] Speaker 2: big takeaway. Miami's done. The second one is here's Steichen
[30:03] Speaker 2: taking Daniel Jones. And I don't think Daniel's a franchise guy.
[30:08] Speaker 2: But if what I watched today in that division, they
[30:12] Speaker 2: could be it. They could battle for the division.
[30:16] Speaker 1: I'll start with Indy on this one one. I think
[30:19] Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's starting career was over. I've said at the
[30:23] Speaker 1: moment they signed Daniel Jones like that, that thing was
[30:25] Speaker 1: he was in major trouble. The Dolphins secondary is on paper,
[30:30] Speaker 1: could be one of the worst in the NFL. I mean,
[30:31] Speaker 1: their corners are atrocious. And the one thing the Colts,
[30:34] Speaker 1: you know, I think we underplay their weapons because their
[30:37] Speaker 1: quarterback plays good. Pittman's a good player. Tyler Warren was
[30:42] Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick, could have been a top ten pick.
[30:44] Speaker 1: You know that Jonathan Tailor. They have a high end
[30:46] Speaker 1: run game, like they have legitimate offensive weapons, same with
[30:48] Speaker 1: their offensive line is good. But I would say this
[30:51] Speaker 1: about Miami, that franchise is in absolute turmoil. And when
[30:56] Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel gets fired, I have a hard time seeing
[30:59] Speaker 1: their owner just hiring some other random coordinator, like he's
[31:02] Speaker 1: tried it and hasn't worked. I put this out on
[31:05] Speaker 1: Twitter today. I've been thinking about this. I think he's
[31:07] Speaker 1: going to go after a big name, and last year
[31:09] Speaker 1: Ben Johnson would have fallen under a big name. I
[31:12] Speaker 1: don't even think that guy's going to be exist this year.
[31:14] Speaker 1: Who's the Mike Vrabel of this class? Sure? Tell any Belichick.
[31:17] Speaker 1: I don't don't know if you follow that story. Your
[31:19] Speaker 1: boy broke it, it's not looking great, But I'd say
[31:23] Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, Lane Kiffin, Ryan Day. He's going to go
[31:26] Speaker 1: after some big name college guys who maybe just go
[31:29] Speaker 1: you know what, I'm over there?
[31:31] Speaker 2: What about Belichick got a place in Jupiter, doesn't he?
[31:35] Speaker 2: I mean, Miami loves sex appeal. All their teams do,
[31:39] Speaker 2: even the heat.
[31:40] Speaker 1: But his bill f sex appeal. In twenty twenty six, well.
[31:44] Speaker 2: I will tell you this. I don't think he's built
[31:46] Speaker 2: for college. I said this before.
[31:48] Speaker 1: He's not.
[31:49] Speaker 2: He and Mike Lombardi are there NFL guys. I mean,
[31:53] Speaker 2: he can't, he can't draft, how can he recruit?
[31:57] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[31:57] Speaker 2: I don't think Belichick's crazy there.
[32:01] Speaker 1: The one thing, if the owner was interested, which which
[32:05] Speaker 1: is weird because Miami actually had some success against Bill,
[32:08] Speaker 1: but obviously he had a front row seat to watch
[32:09] Speaker 1: Bill in his division forever. Bill would have to be
[32:12] Speaker 1: pretty intrigued if the owner wanted him, because he'd get
[32:15] Speaker 1: to play the Patriots, that's right, which he clearly despises.
[32:18] Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe I just think he's going to go
[32:21] Speaker 1: after a big name. I can't see him going after
[32:23] Speaker 1: whoever the hot coordinator is for the Broncos or the
[32:27] Speaker 1: Texans or whatever. But they are They're going to be really,
[32:30] Speaker 1: really bad. They have no shot if I mean today
[32:33] Speaker 1: two a couple times even before the game really got
[32:36] Speaker 1: it is like forcing balls. I mean, if he plays
[32:38] Speaker 1: bad that they will get blown out, no matter who
[32:40] Speaker 1: they play, well, good team, average team. If he's off,
[32:43] Speaker 1: they are screwed.
[32:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you have to clean out the building.
[32:46] Speaker 2: I think Tua's got a lot of character. I like him,
[32:48] Speaker 2: but there's nothing about this team I like. And again,
[32:52] Speaker 2: I think there's a gap between the best gms and
[32:55] Speaker 2: the worst, and I just don't think they're a well
[32:59] Speaker 2: run operation.
[33:01] Speaker 3: Miami fans are so funny. They get so angry.
[33:04] Speaker 2: When you're critical, and it's like, guys, you can put
[33:06] Speaker 2: the pom poms down.
[33:07] Speaker 3: They don't draft well, they overspend it.
[33:10] Speaker 2: Free agency, the Tyreek Hill thing. I mean, when Andy
[33:13] Speaker 2: Reid moves off somebody, when you have mahomes, it's pretty
[33:17] Speaker 2: good sign there. It's coming with baggage. There's stuff behind
[33:19] Speaker 2: the scenes you don't and he's been when Tyreek struggled,
[33:22] Speaker 2: you know, with personal stuff. I just there's nothing about
[33:25] Speaker 2: Miami right now other than like Tua's character, there's nothing
[33:29] Speaker 2: I like.
[33:30] Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to what you said though, if
[33:32] Speaker 1: you're the owner, would you be interested in Belichick knowing
[33:35] Speaker 1: that he clearly, I mean, he's proven this now in
[33:38] Speaker 1: it's just his way, the highway. He's not listening to anybody.
[33:40] Speaker 1: He's just bringing in his people. You basically just hand
[33:43] Speaker 1: Bill the keys for like the one thing you watch
[33:45] Speaker 1: Pete Carroll to day, like he still got a lot
[33:47] Speaker 1: of juice. Yes, Pete would have been Pete could have
[33:49] Speaker 1: coached in college, could have coached in the pros. Like
[33:51] Speaker 1: he's he feels more like he's fifty five. You watched
[33:53] Speaker 1: Billy feels a little old. He feels really grumpy at that.
[33:56] Speaker 1: I mean he's always been grumpy. He's extra grumpy. I
[33:59] Speaker 1: mean the resent and the grudge he's holding on the
[34:02] Speaker 1: craft from like three year Bill, you went four and twelve.
[34:04] Speaker 1: Andy Reid got fired as well, same record. It's the NFL.
[34:08] Speaker 1: It happens, right, I mean Tom Landry got fired. Welcome
[34:11] Speaker 1: to pro football. What are you that arrogant to think
[34:14] Speaker 1: that you were just untouchable for life? But he is,
[34:17] Speaker 1: And you know, the owner of Miami maybe he's just
[34:20] Speaker 1: that desperate because they're that franchise is just I make
[34:23] Speaker 1: a lot of fun about the Jacksonville Jags. They got
[34:25] Speaker 1: more juice right now in the Dolphins. Yeah, Dolphins or
[34:28] Speaker 1: the least least amount of juice in the league. A
[34:30] Speaker 1: team that if they're just never on TV and you
[34:32] Speaker 1: never watch, you don't feel like you're missing anything.
[34:34] Speaker 2: And you know what, I'm happy for Chris Baldard, who
[34:37] Speaker 2: I know a little bit, because.
[34:40] Speaker 3: It's sad to say. There was a lot of things
[34:41] Speaker 3: in the.
[34:41] Speaker 2: Last couple of years that weren't discussed publicly but privately
[34:45] Speaker 2: in the building. Jim Orsay was creating chaos his daughters. Now,
[34:49] Speaker 2: I think will will be less intrusive, less impulsive. I
[34:55] Speaker 2: think you stay would. I think if this team could
[34:57] Speaker 2: win eight or nine games, sneaking is a maybe a
[35:00] Speaker 2: wild card team. It is I they I mean again,
[35:06] Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones will have a market I mean, good
[35:08] Speaker 2: god today up and down the field. So it's just
[35:11] Speaker 2: one of those things where I think, I think Chris
[35:14] Speaker 2: Pouder has been on the ropes there for years. But
[35:16] Speaker 2: when Andrew Luck retired, he found Carson Wentz, he found
[35:20] Speaker 2: Philip Rivers. They bailed water, they were viable, they were
[35:23] Speaker 2: fun to watch. Getting Daniel Jones after today look like wow,
[35:28] Speaker 2: I mean it will be. It looked a little like
[35:31] Speaker 2: a more athletic Philip Rivers. You know, you don't have
[35:33] Speaker 2: a great player, but you got you have a guy
[35:35] Speaker 2: that can pick up first downs. He took a shot
[35:37] Speaker 2: today to the head, scrambling off of the right Daniel Jones,
[35:41] Speaker 2: so he can move athlete, no question, Okay, let's here's
[35:46] Speaker 2: another game I want to talk about. So I thought
[35:50] Speaker 2: New England would be the easiest double your wind total.
[35:56] Speaker 2: Raiders beat New England twenty to thirteen. First of all,
[36:00] Speaker 2: I had a GM in the NFL text me and say, man,
[36:04] Speaker 2: are the Patriots slow and deliberate on offense? And I
[36:09] Speaker 2: texted back, I don't know if they trust Drake mate now,
[36:11] Speaker 2: they don't have a ton of juice. I mean, Jacoby
[36:13] Speaker 2: Meyers should be a Patriot, not a Raider. But I
[36:17] Speaker 2: will say this, and we've talked about this before about
[36:19] Speaker 2: Geno Smith. If you give Gino a little time, and
[36:25] Speaker 2: if you give Geno Smith a run game, Gino can
[36:29] Speaker 2: sit in the pocket. I thought Geno Smith made about
[36:32] Speaker 2: four five six throws today, big time throws, and he's
[36:36] Speaker 2: not my favorite quarterback. But I looked at the Raiders
[36:39] Speaker 2: coaching to your point, I looked at the energy of
[36:42] Speaker 2: the staff. The Raiders are going to beat teams in
[36:46] Speaker 2: their division.
[36:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I gotta give Chip credit. He schemed
[36:50] Speaker 1: some passes day where some guys were be lining across
[36:52] Speaker 1: the field and Gino just led a rip. You're like, damn,
[36:54] Speaker 1: that was a good looking play. He had Bowers. I
[36:58] Speaker 1: mean he schemed some really good plays. Did you get
[37:01] Speaker 1: a chance at all to read some of Ty Dunn's
[37:03] Speaker 1: article on Ryan Poles and the Bears? Oh Jesus, yeah,
[37:07] Speaker 1: Well I will say this in defense of Ryan Poles.
[37:09] Speaker 1: On one guy in that article. It made him. It
[37:14] Speaker 1: came off like Ryan Poles and hated Drake May. Thought
[37:17] Speaker 1: he couldn't play. I thought there were times a day
[37:19] Speaker 1: that Drake May went, this is a little off, floating
[37:22] Speaker 1: a couple of balls. Yes, you know, like you said, Josh,
[37:25] Speaker 1: not trusting him. I felt, I know, his numbers don't
[37:28] Speaker 1: look terrible. I did not think he looked great.
[37:30] Speaker 3: I did not.
[37:30] Speaker 1: Now, if you want to defend him, you'd go, well,
[37:32] Speaker 1: who's he passing to? Boute the dude from LSU's his
[37:35] Speaker 1: best receiver, you know, Hunter Henry. This isn't exactly Gronk, Adalman,
[37:40] Speaker 1: West Welker and Randy Moss. But I thought today was
[37:43] Speaker 1: like we got a long way to go, you know,
[37:45] Speaker 1: someone that picked the Patriots to make the playoffs. Part
[37:47] Speaker 1: of it was I thought, Josh mcgaiels, Drake May would
[37:50] Speaker 1: be good. I was like you seeing it.
[37:51] Speaker 3: Let me defend him.
[37:52] Speaker 2: Is there any team in the league between their free
[37:55] Speaker 2: agent signings and draft. And I don't know the answer
[37:59] Speaker 2: to this. I watched them.
[38:00] Speaker 3: In the first half.
[38:01] Speaker 2: I thought, Jesus Christian Gonzalez is out? Are they starting
[38:07] Speaker 2: fourteen new players? I mean, honestly, even veteran coaches. I mean,
[38:12] Speaker 2: I thought the Broncos looked awful offensively today. So my
[38:16] Speaker 2: take was, God, New England went and got seven starters
[38:19] Speaker 2: in free agency. They probably got five or six or
[38:22] Speaker 2: seven draftees that are playing. And I'm thinking is and
[38:29] Speaker 2: I'm not saying it as an excuse they are starting
[38:32] Speaker 2: fifty percent of this team. Is that's getting, if not starting,
[38:36] Speaker 2: getting significant stabs. Snaps is brand new And by the way,
[38:40] Speaker 2: starters don't play much in the preseason.
[38:42] Speaker 3: So my take is, don't go crazy on New England.
[38:46] Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a team in the league that's
[38:48] Speaker 2: playing fifteen to eighteen guys that didn't take a snap
[38:52] Speaker 2: for the team last year.
[38:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you wanted to defend the Patriots in
[38:56] Speaker 1: this individual matchup, you'd go, well, the Raiders have better
[38:59] Speaker 1: players X Crosby best player on the field. You'd say
[39:02] Speaker 1: Brock Bowers is probably the second best player on the field.
[39:04] Speaker 1: You know, Geno Smith today is way better player than May.
[39:08] Speaker 1: So you know, I mean they just drafted a weapon
[39:11] Speaker 1: top six. But even if you say jent T and
[39:13] Speaker 1: Henderson cross each other out a long time. Yeah. So,
[39:19] Speaker 1: like you said, Jacobe Myers now has a couple of years,
[39:21] Speaker 1: like he's become a really, really good player. I think
[39:23] Speaker 1: we think about him like three years ago, the kind
[39:25] Speaker 1: of little afterthought guy on the Patriots. He's a he's
[39:28] Speaker 1: a I don't know if he's a He's not like
[39:29] Speaker 1: Jamar Chase or anything, but this is a He had
[39:31] Speaker 1: eight catches to day for nine seven yards. He's gonna
[39:33] Speaker 1: have enormous numbers this year playing with Chip and Brock Bowers.
[39:36] Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean the Raiders is a better team.
[39:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[39:38] Speaker 1: You know, now I thought the Pats with their schedule,
[39:41] Speaker 1: but I'm telling you I was nervous watching Drake May,
[39:43] Speaker 1: thinking is this guy a franchise quarterback? Because we've talked
[39:46] Speaker 1: over and over about that group the six guys. Now
[39:49] Speaker 1: Caleb JJ play tomorrow, We'll see how they look. Uh.
[39:52] Speaker 1: You know, Pennix, if you watch him, you go, this
[39:54] Speaker 1: guy's an NFL player. How good is he? What's his ceiling. Uh,
[39:58] Speaker 1: Jayden Daniel is a star. I mean, he's just he's excellent,
[40:00] Speaker 1: elite player. Not all these guys are gonna hit. Some
[40:03] Speaker 1: of them are gonna not be on the team with
[40:04] Speaker 1: their second contract. Yeah, we've seen a lot of these guys,
[40:07] Speaker 1: the Canny Picketts, the mac Joneses, you know, the Trey Lances.
[40:10] Speaker 3: We see they go all over the place.
[40:12] Speaker 1: That's that's most NFL players, even Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,
[40:16] Speaker 1: who have resurrected their career. Think how long it took
[40:18] Speaker 1: them to figure it out. So some of these guys
[40:21] Speaker 1: are not gonna work. And we just thought because Brabel
[40:23] Speaker 1: Joshony Daniels, well what if it doesn't.
[40:25] Speaker 2: I mean, the Raiders have the better quarterback, a super
[40:28] Speaker 2: Bowl winning coach, the better left tackle, the star offensive weapon.
[40:36] Speaker 2: Gino Smith went twenty four of thirty four for three
[40:40] Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two yards in Rain on the road.
[40:43] Speaker 2: That's a pretty much an indictment. And I think, and
[40:46] Speaker 2: we know Vrabel can coach. My take is New England
[40:49] Speaker 2: is breaking in half their roster.
[40:53] Speaker 1: You know what I wrote down is for a long time.
[40:57] Speaker 1: And listen, a lot of people make fun of Mark
[40:59] Speaker 1: and I get it. He has tried. He hired Gruden,
[41:03] Speaker 1: he gave him ten years, a hundred million. It's backfired
[41:05] Speaker 1: in his face. You know, he hired Josh McDaniels. People
[41:08] Speaker 1: forget the forty nine ers wanted Josh McDaniels. He turned
[41:11] Speaker 1: them down. They got Kyle Shanahan like they would have
[41:13] Speaker 1: gladly hired Josh McDaniels. It's it looks terrible looking back,
[41:16] Speaker 1: but it was kind of the Colts try to hire him.
[41:19] Speaker 1: A lot of people. He had kind of changed the
[41:20] Speaker 1: narrative on his career. Pete Carroll just made the Raiders
[41:24] Speaker 1: look like the Raiders are a real franchise. Now are
[41:26] Speaker 1: they gonna win ten? Are they gonna win eight? I
[41:28] Speaker 1: don't know. I still think that division so hard that
[41:31] Speaker 1: we'll see how it plays out over the course of
[41:33] Speaker 1: the season. But I think the Raiders getting Pete Carroll, Like,
[41:37] Speaker 1: how cool is that that? You know? This guy, I
[41:40] Speaker 1: can't even imagine how much money he made the last
[41:42] Speaker 1: six seven years of his NFL career, right, I mean,
[41:44] Speaker 1: he was making fifteen twenty million dollars. He's in his seventies.
[41:47] Speaker 1: He could have easily retired. This guy is addicted to football.
[41:50] Speaker 1: He still looks as energetic as ever, chewing that gun,
[41:52] Speaker 1: those big white shoes. What a cool moment for him
[41:54] Speaker 1: getting a job the Raiders a little desperate and just
[41:57] Speaker 1: kind of I mean kind of kicked their ass today.
[41:59] Speaker 2: I thought, you know, so, Chip Kelly's a friend. He
[42:02] Speaker 2: was at my sixtieth birthday party. Chip was there with
[42:05] Speaker 2: his wife. I really liked Chip and Chip Kelly because
[42:10] Speaker 2: of his NFL stuff.
[42:11] Speaker 3: I always say this.
[42:12] Speaker 2: He changed football. He went to Oregon. He was so
[42:16] Speaker 2: dominant at college. Remember this, midway through the second quarter.
[42:19] Speaker 2: They were leading people like Pack twelve teams forty two
[42:22] Speaker 2: to ten.
[42:23] Speaker 1: I mean he was in runs. He's calling runs too.
[42:27] Speaker 2: And Oregon fans, who are as rabid as any on
[42:31] Speaker 2: the West Coast were leaving games.
[42:33] Speaker 3: Early third quarter.
[42:34] Speaker 2: They were scoring fifty six points. He changed the pace
[42:37] Speaker 2: of college football. Then he goes to Philadelphia ten and six,
[42:40] Speaker 2: ten and six with B and C level quarterbacks. He
[42:43] Speaker 2: and Howie Roseman. He lost the Tug of War, goes
[42:45] Speaker 2: to San Francisco, doesn't work, goes to Ohio State and
[42:48] Speaker 2: Ryan daywinsin NATI. Goes to the Raiders, Ashton, Jenny Gino,
[42:53] Speaker 2: Smith Brock Bowers to Kobe Myers, excellent left tackle. Actually,
[42:56] Speaker 2: the Raiders o line is pretty good and Chip can
[42:58] Speaker 2: coach o Lions gonna be You know, somebody said this
[43:01] Speaker 2: the other day, and I apologize for not calling it out.
[43:03] Speaker 3: Somebody said keep your eye on the Raiders.
[43:05] Speaker 2: When I watched them today, I'm like, I don't know
[43:07] Speaker 2: where they're going to finish. But if you told me
[43:10] Speaker 2: they were going to beat the Broncos, Charters and Chief
[43:12] Speaker 2: Swantz would buy it today. I buy that as a
[43:17] Speaker 2: as a stock the.
[43:19] Speaker 1: Chargers Week two. That that's who they play next week
[43:21] Speaker 1: in uh, where's that game in Vegas? That's a that's
[43:24] Speaker 1: a really good Monday Night football. Money Night has a
[43:26] Speaker 1: doubleheader next week, which kind of sucks, but that that's
[43:30] Speaker 1: an excellent game. That's an excellent gino Is. He could
[43:34] Speaker 1: have moments throughout the season and he has these Seattle
[43:38] Speaker 1: where he kind of drives you nuts.
[43:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[43:39] Speaker 1: He he's a fantastic story because again we talk about traits,
[43:43] Speaker 1: his arms pretty elite. You watch him and Drake May today,
[43:45] Speaker 1: there's no question who's got the more explosive or year olds.
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[45:41] Speaker 2: so let's go to a game that many of you
[45:44] Speaker 2: did not watch Denver twenty at home Titans twelve. Cam
[45:48] Speaker 2: Ward is not working with anything he was under. I mean,
[45:51] Speaker 2: the Broncos pass rush is as good as any in
[45:54] Speaker 2: the league from what I can tell. Because Callahan can coach.
[45:58] Speaker 2: We all know that the offensive line coach. Cam Ward
[46:03] Speaker 2: can move.
[46:03] Speaker 3: We know he's mobile.
[46:04] Speaker 2: He there weren't just Orange Jerseys a second and a
[46:09] Speaker 2: half after the snap all game, and he has probably
[46:12] Speaker 2: the weakest wide receiving core in the league. So I
[46:15] Speaker 2: thought cam played with a lot of poise. All things considered,
[46:18] Speaker 2: bo Nicks had a rough, rough game. But not to
[46:23] Speaker 2: defend my position because Denver won and Denver's got the
[46:26] Speaker 2: much better roster. But I felt, you know, Sean Payton,
[46:31] Speaker 2: remember when Russell Wilson and Sean Payton. One of the
[46:34] Speaker 2: things that drove I don't know it, it kind of
[46:38] Speaker 2: Russell Wilson didn't want to wear the armband and Sean
[46:42] Speaker 2: Payton said, wear the armband. Reportedly, I thought bow Knicks
[46:46] Speaker 2: today they were getting to the line with like ten seconds.
[46:50] Speaker 2: Bow was struggling to get You know, Peyton and Drew
[46:53] Speaker 2: Brees has said this, Peyton will push you to the
[46:56] Speaker 2: most you can handle cognitively, the most you can handle intellectually.
[47:01] Speaker 3: I thought bow.
[47:02] Speaker 2: Knicks today it was almost like I wanted to say,
[47:05] Speaker 2: scale down the offense. This is where Russell and Sean struggled.
[47:10] Speaker 2: Shawn's like where the armband. I need to do more,
[47:13] Speaker 2: we need to run more plays. I thought today bo looked.
[47:16] Speaker 3: A little overwhelmed.
[47:18] Speaker 2: It just with the sets and the motion. That was
[47:20] Speaker 2: my interpretation that it's week one again. Starters don't play
[47:24] Speaker 2: much in the preseason anymore. This felt like almost a
[47:27] Speaker 2: preseason game that Denver was just behind on the clock
[47:31] Speaker 2: too often.
[47:32] Speaker 1: Bo Nix was atrocious. I mean the interception he threw
[47:35] Speaker 1: coming out of half after he'd already played it for
[47:37] Speaker 1: the first half. I mean it could have gone to
[47:39] Speaker 1: both the guys. I mean he threw in a double coverage.
[47:42] Speaker 1: He was awful. Colin Sean Payton's been telling us how
[47:46] Speaker 1: great this guy is though, and how much he can handle,
[47:48] Speaker 1: and every report is like, this guy's mastered the offense,
[47:50] Speaker 1: and then you watch now. I think the times are
[47:52] Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. I don't know if they're a
[47:54] Speaker 1: playoff team, but I think they are going to be
[47:56] Speaker 1: in the mix as the season goes on. Remember last
[47:58] Speaker 1: year their defense was pretty good, but Will Levis was
[48:01] Speaker 1: so bad that as the season goes on, you just
[48:03] Speaker 1: kind of tap out. I do think cam Ward, like
[48:06] Speaker 1: you said, on a given pass rush, there would be
[48:09] Speaker 1: orange coming from every angle of your television screen. It's
[48:12] Speaker 1: like what I can't even imagine being that guy who's
[48:14] Speaker 1: been playing like North Carolina and Boston College lighting up
[48:17] Speaker 1: and seeing that what are you supposed to do? But
[48:21] Speaker 1: this it shouldn't have been as close, but Bo Nicks,
[48:23] Speaker 1: that's as bad of a game as you can play.
[48:25] Speaker 1: And this is the thing that defense is gonna be.
[48:28] Speaker 1: They're the fastest defense clearly in the NFL. They are
[48:31] Speaker 1: going to probably lead the league in sacks again. They're
[48:34] Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be the top defense in the league
[48:35] Speaker 1: again if you're a betting man right now.
[48:37] Speaker 2: And they bring in green Law and they led the
[48:39] Speaker 2: league in sacks last year.
[48:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, so in Greenlock caused a fumble today. We saw
[48:45] Speaker 1: how good Herbert was the other night. He's an elite player.
[48:47] Speaker 1: Anyone who tells you otherwise a moron. Mahomes is incredible
[48:51] Speaker 1: as well. The quarterbacks, I mean Geno Smith, like the quarterbacks,
[48:55] Speaker 1: he's gonna have to play in some of these games.
[48:57] Speaker 1: Even if you have a great defense, your defense has
[48:59] Speaker 1: some off game, especially on the road, you are gonna
[49:03] Speaker 1: need him to play a lot like he has some
[49:05] Speaker 1: of these games against the better players through in a
[49:07] Speaker 1: playoff game, you will lose. We saw last year Herbert
[49:09] Speaker 1: had an awful game and they got smoked. And this
[49:12] Speaker 1: is still a quarterback coach league. I have no questions
[49:15] Speaker 1: about their defense. They have good offensive weapons, like Sutton's
[49:18] Speaker 1: a good player. They signed Evan Ingram, there are two
[49:20] Speaker 1: running backs. JK had a good run today, Harvey's explosive player.
[49:24] Speaker 1: The quarterback looked like I mean, he had to have
[49:27] Speaker 1: one of the worst games in the entire league today.
[49:29] Speaker 2: But remember last year bow Next struggled in September about
[49:33] Speaker 2: game five on He was pretty good again early in September.
[49:39] Speaker 2: Sean Payton's offense. Bow doesn't take a lot of preseason snaps.
[49:43] Speaker 3: One of my.
[49:43] Speaker 2: Takeaways today watching some of these games is.
[49:50] Speaker 3: New England.
[49:51] Speaker 2: They got fifteen new guys getting real snaps starting or
[49:55] Speaker 2: on reserves. Sean Payton, Denver Bowe, how many snaps his
[50:00] Speaker 2: boat Nick's playing in the preseason. We know Titans have
[50:03] Speaker 2: a great defense. We know Jeffrey Simmons is virtually unblockable,
[50:07] Speaker 2: so and I'm not defending it. I thought he looked terrible,
[50:11] Speaker 2: but I know he can play because I watched last year.
[50:13] Speaker 2: I might take away watching him was cam Ward despite
[50:18] Speaker 2: that pass rush, played with a lot of poise. Bo
[50:21] Speaker 2: Nicks didn't play with a lot of poise, and he
[50:24] Speaker 2: made a couple of terrible throat Now he did make
[50:26] Speaker 2: a couple of beauties.
[50:28] Speaker 3: But I really feel talking.
[50:30] Speaker 2: To Drew Brees last year because he would come on
[50:32] Speaker 2: every two weeks in the herd.
[50:34] Speaker 3: And when it comes to.
[50:35] Speaker 2: Sean Payton, I mean he he just says straight out
[50:38] Speaker 2: he is going to challenge you every practice and he
[50:42] Speaker 2: is going to push you like he just the minute
[50:45] Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and he connected, he was done. They just
[50:49] Speaker 2: oil and water. And that's a different story with rusbying done.
[50:52] Speaker 2: But I think bow Knicks will get better. Two things
[50:56] Speaker 2: have happened in this league. Number One, good players don't
[51:02] Speaker 2: play in the preseason. They just don't play many snaps
[51:05] Speaker 2: anymore because the season is longer. So even if you
[51:09] Speaker 2: do want to play a guy, I mean, you got
[51:10] Speaker 2: what are you gonna play him? Twenty games with a
[51:12] Speaker 2: seventeen regular season. The second thing, offensive coaching is more
[51:16] Speaker 2: sophisticated and it's more demanding. And so that's why Justin
[51:21] Speaker 2: Fields impressed me so much. He's not playing that many snaps.
[51:23] Speaker 2: He was great today. So I think it was a
[51:26] Speaker 2: bad outing by Bonnicks. But man, when I watch that game,
[51:31] Speaker 2: I'm not sure John. Does Denver have a top three
[51:33] Speaker 2: or four roster in the league.
[51:36] Speaker 1: Oh, I think definitely. But that's the thing. Their next
[51:39] Speaker 1: three games at the Colts, who just playing pretty well,
[51:42] Speaker 1: the Chargers, who are just gonna be good, the Bengals,
[51:45] Speaker 1: who you know, divisional game, weird game, but clearly that
[51:49] Speaker 1: quarterback and those weapons. At the Eagles, I mean, their
[51:51] Speaker 1: schedule is hard. They're not just going to be able
[51:54] Speaker 1: to depend on their defense making insane place. If they
[51:57] Speaker 1: played a better just a more season quarterback and a
[51:59] Speaker 1: better offense. You can't throw multiple picks and have fumbles
[52:02] Speaker 1: and win the game. I don't care who's playing defense
[52:05] Speaker 1: for you. So they got lucky that their opponent. I mean,
[52:08] Speaker 1: I'm high on the Titans. They did just have the
[52:10] Speaker 1: number one overall pick. This is you know, this isn't
[52:13] Speaker 1: you know Eddie George and Jeff Fisher ay walking through
[52:16] Speaker 1: that door. So I think I'm a little nervous as
[52:19] Speaker 1: someone that has money on them to win the division,
[52:23] Speaker 1: to potentially win the AFC. So it's like they got
[52:29] Speaker 1: a long way to go with the quarterback. I'm with you, defense,
[52:33] Speaker 1: elite speed, offensive weapons, that little running back. It looks
[52:36] Speaker 1: pretty good. But Sean told me how smart this quarterback is,
[52:40] Speaker 1: how good he is on offense. Every report was like
[52:42] Speaker 1: their chemistry is elite. I don't know if I was
[52:44] Speaker 1: expecting to watch Drew Brees because his styles a little different,
[52:47] Speaker 1: but I was expecting to see it just a much,
[52:50] Speaker 1: I don't know, more in tune with the offense quarterback,
[52:53] Speaker 1: and he looked like he was playing his first game
[52:55] Speaker 1: in college, let alone the pros.
[52:57] Speaker 2: So I want to talk about a game that wasn't
[52:59] Speaker 2: fun to watch, Washington twenty one and the New York
[53:02] Speaker 2: Giants six. So you know, listen, you can tell Brian
[53:07] Speaker 2: Dabole got Daniel Jones into the playoffs and won a
[53:10] Speaker 2: playoff game. I think Brian Dabele can coach. I don't
[53:13] Speaker 2: think he's Kevin O'Connell. I don't think he's clever like
[53:17] Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. But I think, I mean, Washington Deebo got
[53:22] Speaker 2: a touchdown on a reverse. Washington's going to be really fun.
[53:25] Speaker 2: I do think the Giants defense is pretty special, but
[53:29] Speaker 2: my take watching that today was that Russell Wilson, there's
[53:35] Speaker 2: just so many three and outs or six and outs
[53:38] Speaker 2: you're gonna lose that defense. First of all, they're gonna
[53:41] Speaker 2: be on the field too much, so they're gonna get
[53:42] Speaker 2: hurt if you don't play Jackson Dart by like week three.
[53:47] Speaker 2: Because this is a little bit like Tua. Russell doesn't
[53:50] Speaker 2: see the field. Russell's older. The offensive line could not
[53:54] Speaker 2: generate guard center guard any openings. They could not run
[53:58] Speaker 2: the ball through the middle, got to mooze fun but
[54:01] Speaker 2: there were just no holes. Again, I think I think
[54:03] Speaker 2: that you know the receivers, It's Ward and Neighbors are
[54:07] Speaker 2: pretty special players. Their tight ends hit and miss, can't
[54:09] Speaker 2: already catch consistently. But my take was here, you better
[54:14] Speaker 2: figure out if Jackson Dark can play, because next year's
[54:18] Speaker 2: draft could have six quarterbacks in the first round. How
[54:21] Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you know Jackson Dart's gonna get snaps.
[54:25] Speaker 2: Can you go six weeks and not play them?
[54:28] Speaker 1: Yeah? You know. I think the old adage was like,
[54:30] Speaker 1: if you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting with them,
[54:32] Speaker 1: And I think there's some truth to that, Like if
[54:35] Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh would have listened to everybody, he would have
[54:36] Speaker 1: taken a wide receiver instead of joelt like you gotta
[54:39] Speaker 1: have conviction. And then there's the Russell Wilson stuff. If
[54:42] Speaker 1: I was a Giants fan or just anyone watching that game,
[54:45] Speaker 1: everyone's thinking to themselves, how is this yank this guy
[54:48] Speaker 1: out of the game right, he'd go, Well, our offensive
[54:51] Speaker 1: lines atrocious. We had a lot offensive lines throughout the
[54:53] Speaker 1: league aren't great, Like, you can't function with this players.
[54:57] Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever seen such a precipit drop
[55:00] Speaker 1: off in my life. I mean Colin he he truly
[55:04] Speaker 1: seeing him in his prime live is one of the
[55:06] Speaker 1: greatest players I've ever seen any sport life. I've been
[55:09] Speaker 1: to a lot of games in the last fifteen twenty
[55:11] Speaker 1: years all sports. Never seen anything like this guy in
[55:14] Speaker 1: his prime. And he looks like if he was like
[55:16] Speaker 1: a nine out of ten in terms of playmaking, it's
[55:18] Speaker 1: like a one out of ten now, doesn't move that fast,
[55:21] Speaker 1: looks very unconfident, when he scrambles, it just looks bad.
[55:24] Speaker 1: It looks off. I gave it about the over under
[55:27] Speaker 1: three and a half. So right around the start of
[55:29] Speaker 1: October for Jackson Dart, if you told me, by the
[55:32] Speaker 1: time Monday morning comes around, breaking news they told Jackson
[55:35] Speaker 1: Dart he's gonna be this What are we waiting on?
[55:37] Speaker 1: Their schedule is hard, It's the NFL. Everything's difficult. Ashean
[55:40] Speaker 1: Payton and bow Nicks. What was like playing the Titans?
[55:43] Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want me to tell you?
[55:44] Speaker 1: At least I feel like Jackson gives them. It's not
[55:46] Speaker 1: like Jackson's a stiff. He can move around, but the juice,
[55:50] Speaker 1: you know, Malik davers Let's face has got a little
[55:52] Speaker 1: Torell Owens des Bryant head case to him. You think
[55:55] Speaker 1: it was bad today, it's only going to get works.
[55:57] Speaker 1: A season goes on and that quarterback's taking terrible sacks
[56:00] Speaker 1: and I get Andrew Thomas is injured, but it's this guy.
[56:04] Speaker 1: You can't function with that, and this is how the
[56:06] Speaker 1: team you lose the team. I think he's scared. I
[56:10] Speaker 1: think a coach would tell you, well, I throw him
[56:12] Speaker 1: in there, loses confidence, It gets ugly, Well, I don't
[56:15] Speaker 1: your only other options to have Russell Wilson go seventeen
[56:18] Speaker 1: to thirty seven and east to your ass kill.
[56:20] Speaker 2: Last year, brock Pretty goes one in six against playoff teams,
[56:23] Speaker 2: but his teammates love him. Teammates love brock Pretty. Russell
[56:27] Speaker 2: Wilson is not love than any locker room he's been in.
[56:30] Speaker 2: So he goes one in three, that locker room may
[56:33] Speaker 2: be done. I mean again, how would they not be
[56:35] Speaker 2: out on him now? I mean if they came out
[56:38] Speaker 2: next week and at half they've got a field goal,
[56:41] Speaker 2: don't you have to consider it?
[56:44] Speaker 1: I think you on the I guess team flight, maybe
[56:46] Speaker 1: they take the train. They had to be thinking on
[56:49] Speaker 1: the way home, like what do we do? What's the
[56:51] Speaker 1: point of this? Right? This is a guy that was
[56:54] Speaker 1: shot a couple of years ago, and now it feels
[56:56] Speaker 1: like it's getting worse. And his equity, you know, like
[56:59] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, even if it was going weird in Pittsburgh,
[57:02] Speaker 1: his equity because he's Aaron Rodgers. Four time MVP is
[57:05] Speaker 1: really long, even with random players on a new team.
[57:09] Speaker 1: Do you think Russell Wilson has any equity with Malik
[57:11] Speaker 1: Neighbors or Cam Skataboo or Brian burn They don't care
[57:14] Speaker 1: at all. So I listen, I would do it now.
[57:18] Speaker 1: I don't expect him to do it now, but I
[57:20] Speaker 1: would be stunned if we make it to October and
[57:23] Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Now here's the thing. Once you bench Russell Wilson,
[57:27] Speaker 1: do you just cut him and just pay him to
[57:29] Speaker 1: go away? Because he's not he's not making him backup. No,
[57:32] Speaker 1: he makes like fourteen million dollars. But I'm just saying,
[57:34] Speaker 1: so you just keep him around.
[57:36] Speaker 3: We watched Justin Fields in Pittsburgh last year. It was
[57:39] Speaker 3: four and two.
[57:40] Speaker 2: He got bench for Russell. We watched Justin Field today
[57:43] Speaker 2: and my takeaway is what happened in Pittsburgh. I mean, Jesus,
[57:47] Speaker 2: Justin Field's had a winning record in Pittsburgh. He looks
[57:50] Speaker 2: sensational today. I mean Russell at the end of last
[57:52] Speaker 2: year in Pittsburgh was probably the worst quarterback in the league.
[57:56] Speaker 2: So it's listen. I understand people gravitate. They it's romancing,
[58:01] Speaker 2: but we have a coach and Brian Dabole that refined,
[58:04] Speaker 2: cleaned up. Josh Allen got Daniel Jones to win a
[58:07] Speaker 2: playoff game. You know, got that Italian kid Tommy DeVito
[58:11] Speaker 2: that you know is you know, a great story, not
[58:13] Speaker 2: a great player. It got him to improve to the
[58:16] Speaker 2: point where you're like, oh, he can even play a
[58:18] Speaker 2: little bit.
[58:18] Speaker 3: In this league.
[58:20] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm watching this as an opener. Usually offensive coaches,
[58:23] Speaker 2: if there's a criticism and an opener, they give the
[58:25] Speaker 2: quarterback too much. There wasn't any life to it. It
[58:28] Speaker 2: wasn't creative. You could see dabol a couple of times
[58:30] Speaker 2: too in the red zone kind of shaking his head
[58:33] Speaker 2: like it's there, man, it's there. This is what Sean
[58:37] Speaker 2: Payton said. He's not seeing open receivers.
[58:42] Speaker 1: He just runs into sacks too. He just kind of
[58:44] Speaker 1: runs into a guy. I do think if you know,
[58:48] Speaker 1: owners take a lot of crap from meddling. If I
[58:50] Speaker 1: own the Giants, I would be I would tell Brian
[58:52] Speaker 1: on the drive home, like, I don't want to see
[58:55] Speaker 1: this player anymore. Our fans don't, I don't, his teammates don't.
[58:58] Speaker 1: I know, just because maybe he knows the offense a
[59:01] Speaker 1: little bit better. Coaches always say this stuff that no
[59:04] Speaker 1: one can prove. Well, he's a little better in the
[59:05] Speaker 1: media room, well, and then you see that you get away.
[59:08] Speaker 1: When you're winning, right, it's like, well, you won the game.
[59:10] Speaker 1: He made some plays. When it looks like that, no
[59:13] Speaker 1: one cares about all the stuff that they can't see,
[59:15] Speaker 1: because that's really all that's what you get paid to do.
[59:18] Speaker 1: Play those sixty minutes. You watch Jayden Daniels, and I
[59:20] Speaker 1: get Washington's better offensively, and he's a much better player.
[59:24] Speaker 1: He's in a different universe. You would lose to them
[59:28] Speaker 1: ten out of ten times if you had a ten
[59:30] Speaker 1: game series, simply because the quarterback, even if you played
[59:33] Speaker 1: your best game, he's just so much better as a player. Russell,
[59:36] Speaker 1: there's no plays, even just the basic stuff dink and dunk,
[59:40] Speaker 1: and then the playmaking is just it doesn't exist.
[59:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought in this game, by the second
[59:46] Speaker 2: half of Washington defensive players, how many times can you
[59:49] Speaker 2: be out in the field. I mean, I listen to
[59:51] Speaker 2: Gassan Terry McLaurin didn't practice a lot, So I give
[59:54] Speaker 2: Washington a little pass in the opener. I took the
[59:56] Speaker 2: Giants plus six and a half today because I thought
[59:58] Speaker 2: McLaurin didn't practice much. Deebo's a new piece. You know,
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: they're still to some degree even though they it's weird
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: they got to the NFC Championship, but to some degree
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: with a roster John, it's a little bit of a rebuild.
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: This is not a stacked roster.
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: It was the worst conference championship roster since Andrew lucked
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: to the Colts there and got smoked by New England
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: in eleven and five. Remember that team where they played
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: in the conference championship. Just got the you know what
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: kicked out of him. It's not a great roster. So
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: I do think Washington will get better. But I do
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: think there's a point where Russell's never been. He wasn't
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: popular when he was winning. He wasn't popular in the room.
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: He's not popular now. He's kind of disconnected. And now
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: he's got kids, he's married, he's not hanging out with
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: the young players. If they trailed fourteen to nothing at
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: half next week, I think you'd have to consider Jackson
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: dark enters the third quarter.
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: I'm with you really quick on Washington. I understand he
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: was a second pick, so the expectations were high. He
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: had just been awesome in college. It's watching Jayden Daniels.
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: It's crazy how good the kid is. Because obviously in
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: the pocket, his throws. I mean he's a very natural
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: and then his playmaking is what guys like Russell Wilson
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: used to be. It's only one game, but Deebo Samuel
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: looked pretty reinvigorated. He had seven catches, he had the
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: end around. And this is a contract year guy like
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: you said, Terry mclaurin's been out all training camp holding out.
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: So once as he gets going, you add McLaurin with
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: him with Jaden, the offense could be a little more
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: even complete than it was last year. Now defensively, I
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: mean they're playing Russell Wilson, so we'll see him play
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: better teams, but their offense might have You know, Ertz
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: is still making plays at an older age. So I
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: this Washington offense has got a chance to be pretty
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: good because that quarterback he resurrected a dead fan. The
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: franchise was dead dead. I mean, he resurrected the franchise.
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: So I want to talk about There's a couple of
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: games I don't think are worthy of great discussion. Rams
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: beating the Texans was pretty sloppy. So Tyler Dunn is
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: guy that I used to bring on the Herd. I
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: still do about once twice a year I brought him
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: on this podcast. He wrote a story about Ryan Poles.
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: Did you read that story about Ryan Poles the Bears?
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: I read about half of it there. I've read a
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: lot of the clips of it.
[1:02:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: So it's pretty damning. So I'm not a huge Ryan
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: Poles fan. I think the ownership's week Kevin Warren hasn't
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: you know, it hasn't proven anything yet. I would not
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: have given Ryan Poles a new contract, But be that
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: as it may, he got it. The story basically says
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: that it was rigged. He was taking Caleb Williams. He
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: apparently thought Caleb was the best quarterback in the draft
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: and JJ McCarthy was second best. Okay, I understanding like
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: liking Caleb Williams. There's a lot of horsepower, he's got
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: a big harm He's sensational talent, but not and not
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: loving Drake may I knew people that didn't love him.
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: Apparently he didn't think much of Jaden Daniels, which I
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: think is impossible. I can remember before the draft saying
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels is going to He's gonna look like Lamar Jackson.
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: I remember saying this five times on the air. He's
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: gonna look a lot like Lamar Jackson, but way better
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: in the pocket.
[1:03:13] Speaker 3: Early like he was.
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: Virtually can't miss. He was going to be an excellent
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: with Cliff Kingsbury in Terry McLaurin. My thing was he's skinny.
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't get hurt, but he's gonna be
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: wildly productive. He's just really, really talented. Now he's better
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: than I thought on third down, he's better closing drives,
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: He much more. I've never seen a rookie quarterback that poist.
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: I mean, if you'd never seen him before, you'd think
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: he's a seven year player. I think he's better than
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: Andrew Luck was as a rookie. I think he makes
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: fewer mistakes. I think he moves better. I think he's
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: better than Andrew Luck, who I thought was sensational eleven
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: and five of the colts with a terrible roster, and
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: I think he's better than that. But it comes across
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: really dysfunctional, and some of the reports about how they
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: their words not mine, dumb down, the offense ready set hiked. Basically,
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: I mean, I have never got into a Monday night
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: football game in a week one and been more interested
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: in a team that may finish in fourth place. I mean,
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: you have to watch the Vikings tomorrow. I thought that
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: game would be about JJ McCarthy after that article, it's
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: about Caleb Williams. Do you think there's a chance that
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: he's awful, that it doesn't.
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: Work, Yeah, I mean, I think there is one hundred
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: percent chance that he is one of the worst quarterbacks
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: in his class. I mean, I think it has a
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: chance to get very, very weird. And some of it
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: has to do in that article about the personality. Right,
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: A big part of that was he wouldn't listen to
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: the coaches. He would storm off now and then I
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: think that the people pushing back would go, well, it's
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: a bunch of people that got fired. It's clear that
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: all the offensive coaches got fired. Or saying this. The
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: thing that I heard from my scouting buddies last year
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: that was undefensible is you go, well, it's easy to
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: take Caleb Williams. No one will give you shit because
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: the media, and rightfully so, said he was one of
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: the best prospects in recent memory. His job is not
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: the media. His job is do what's best for the Bears.
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: Remember Adam Peters when he had the second pick, and
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: he knew Caleb was going one, which you shouldn't. I mean,
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: he brought in every single quarterback, yes, and he took
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: him to Top Golf and people freaked and said, how
[1:05:21] Speaker 1: could you bring in them all? And he just let
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: them all be, and he kind of judged them how
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: they interacted. You don't think he was leading Jaden and
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: Daniels the whole time. But part of doing your due
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: diligence is, hey, this is a great quarterback draft class,
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: so I'm bringing bo Nicks, Drake made JJ and Pettix
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: with Jaden and just letting the cream kind of rise
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: with some other players. And he took a ton of
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: that's his job. They never brought in another quarterback. And
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: even in this article it said, even if you cut
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: it in half, how do you not bring in Jaden
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: Daniels and either Drake may or JJ McCarthy. Then to
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: your building you get thirty people allowed to bring in
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: and they didn't bring them in. They didn't work out
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: any of these guys. There's no disputing that he was
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: dead set on Caleb Williams. That's where I think some
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: of their freaking out about the VR stuff. You know
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: him using virtual reality. Jaden Daniels and Ryan Poles freaking
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: out as we need to get Caleb on that will
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: buy it, and they're like what if he doesn't use it?
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: And the coaches are like, well make him use it.
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: This is a mom and pop shot. This is not
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: a high level operation. And while Ryan Poles came highly
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: recommended for Andy and the Chiefs, he has felt a
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: little arrogant. I mean you go back to his comment
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: when he got the job about tell the Packers we're
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: gonna start dominating this division. It's like, no one you
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: think Andy Reaves never talked like that in thirty years
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: being a head coach in the league, Like, come on, man,
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: just pump the brakes. Then you watched last year.
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, he drafted VELAs Jones in the third round, who
[1:06:44] Speaker 2: could not track the ball. In three years at USC
[1:06:47] Speaker 2: it was understood he could not track the ball.
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: Traded a second round pick for Chase Claypool. I mean,
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: once upon time. I mean he's made some atrocious moves. Listen,
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: the trade for Kayleb Williams to get the number one
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: pick was fantastic with Panthers, and even taking Caleb Williams
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: is a defensible move, but not bringing in the other
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: guys and getting to know the people. What has Washington
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: said from the moment they have got Jane Daniels obviously
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: on the field. My mom can tell you he's a
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: good player. We freaking love the guy, Like, how could
[1:07:16] Speaker 1: this guy be such a hot It was what they
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: used to say about Lux, like everyone just loves this
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: human being. Every question I see about Caleb Williams is like, hey,
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: he holds on the ball a little bit, but like,
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: what's his deal? Whenever I hear what's his deal at quarterback?
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: I'm out. Yeah, I'm out. And there have been enough
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: people that's not something you overcome, right looking back, like
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: what did Baker really butt heads with Odell Beckham? I
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: think as time went on, maybe it wasn't all Baker,
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: but he was just in a weird spot. This has
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: been there have been some question marks going back with
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: Caleb in college, you know, and the dad I mean, listen,
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: I understand, I don't know. I never had a son
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: with the talent of Caleb. Hopefully my son's talented. We'll
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: find out. But like the dad wont equity, it's just
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: been a lot of noise and when I watched Jade Daniels. No, hell,
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. He's been injured, not his fault, but there's
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: no noise about the guy. Yeah, there's just way too
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: much noise with this guy. You can't tell me it's
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: all other people. Like, eventually Caleb has to take some blame.
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: And I'm telling you we were together when this happened.
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: It was weird extending the backup quarterback when they did
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: not need to. It would not be weird if Patrick
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: Mahomes or Josh Allen was your quarterback and you just went, hey,
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: this is great value. We love this kid. We want
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: to have an asset. You have this quarterback, which is
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: clearly pretty. I would just say there's a lot going on.
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: You would want to quiet everything. So for them to
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: do that, I think part of this article too, was
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: like Ben Jonson's gained more and more juice. You're telling
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: me the GM did that if he loves the starry.
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: Quarter Johnson when he signed Tyson Bage and remember some
[1:08:45] Speaker 2: of the comments at a press conference, He's like, man,
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: this guy is super sharp.
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: This guy is this worker in the building.
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you shouldn't probably say that. I mean,
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: when when Sean Payton signed Jared Stidham. I think it
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: was when he had so he's like, oh, he's a
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: good player, and that was it out of respect to Russell,
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: like this guy was like he's the sharpest guy.
[1:09:06] Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable how good he's been. That to
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: me was a message.
[1:09:10] Speaker 2: People say things for a reason in the NFL, and
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: you know, I all I know is Vikings Bears has
[1:09:18] Speaker 2: these guys can be tied for fourth.
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: It's gonna get a monster number. That's all I know.
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: It's gonna get a lot of juice. I do think
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: it's really hard to overcome. You know, you saw it,
[1:09:29] Speaker 1: like you said today about Sam Darnold, it's kind of
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: a natural movement for him to hold the ball low
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: right and bring it up, and that was an undoing.
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: It's been something that he's always battled with. When you
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: hold onto the ball. It's not often like, hey, this
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: guy had a problem. He just held onto the ball forever,
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: and then five years into his career it's like, well
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: he just gets rid of it like he's Peyton or Tom.
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: Now that's not usually the way it works, right, You
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: watch Jaydon Davis. He can get rid of it in
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: a heartbeat, party can get rid of it really quick.
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: If it's so like it just it comes natural or
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: it doesn't. I do think there's no one just no
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: one's ever argued about like Caleable. He's got an explosive arm.
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: He just holds onto the ball for a long time.
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: So even if we just talk strictly football, none of
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: the off the field stuff that is just a fundamental
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: I would say, uh, that's not the way that Ben
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: Johnson has ever wanted to operate. And his success came
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: from a guy that got rid of the ball every day.
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: With Ben Johnson's offense and Kyle's is timing, they are
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: timing offenses. Caleb doesn't play on time. It's gonna be
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be problematic. John Middlecoff, former NFL
[1:10:32] Speaker 2: scout our first Foray, I'm gonna go watch the Bills
[1:10:35] Speaker 2: and the Ravens. I know you are as well, Buddy.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: Nice job, see you, buddy. The volume from Omaha Productions,
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