# Prime Cuts - NFL Wild Card Round Preview, Top NFL Head Coaches, Lamar Jackson’s Decline

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 10 Jan 2026, 55 min.

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Colin’s top takes of the week. Colin is joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to preview the full slate of NFL Wild Card weekend games, then breaks down some of the top NFL storylines with Danny Parkins, host of “First Things First” on FS1 Timeline: 3:30 - Chargers @ Patriots 5:30 - Bills @ Jaguars 9:15 - Bye week effect on Broncos 11:00 - Rams @ Panthers 19:00 - 49ers @ Eagles 24:45 - Packers @ Bears 33:00 - Bears built for cold weather success 43:30 - Lamar Jackson’s future 54:00 - Ranking top NFL head coaches (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[1:53] Speaker 2: Odds via hard Rock Bet Chargers at the Patriots, Chargers
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[2:01] Speaker 2: take the points with the Chargers. Now, this is interesting.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Bill's minus one according to hard Rock Bet at the Jaguars.
[2:09] Speaker 2: I like the Jaguars, and I think they can pound them. Now,
[2:12] Speaker 2: I will say, I know Buffalo has been a weird
[2:15] Speaker 2: team that week to week. You know, you get really
[2:18] Speaker 2: good halves really bad halves. I think Jacksonville is completely legit.
[2:23] Speaker 2: I think they're the third or fourth best team in
[2:25] Speaker 2: the league. For them to be at home as an underdog,
[2:30] Speaker 2: to me feels incredibly disrespectful. I get the offensive coach
[2:35] Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence isn't turning it over. I think I would
[2:38] Speaker 2: take Jacksonville by a touchdown, what say you?
[2:41] Speaker 3: I get they were playing the Titans today, But man,
[2:44] Speaker 3: they look good and I just counted they They've won
[2:47] Speaker 3: eight straight games and Trevor looks fantastic. There is no
[2:50] Speaker 3: disputing I mean, you could make the argument they're playing
[2:53] Speaker 3: as well as any team in the league. I think
[2:56] Speaker 3: now in terms of in terms of like momentum in
[2:59] Speaker 3: terms of both sides of the ball, the coaching staff,
[3:02] Speaker 3: how well the quarterback looks historically though, you know, I
[3:07] Speaker 3: mean this, that's where the Bills are a unique team
[3:09] Speaker 3: going to the They do have a guy that if
[3:11] Speaker 3: he's on, can just take over a game, but just
[3:14] Speaker 3: based on the way they're playing, it'd be hard to go.
[3:17] Speaker 1: Against the Jags.
[3:18] Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's just the Jags can win the
[3:20] Speaker 3: Super Bowl because the AFC is pretty wide open. The
[3:24] Speaker 3: Texans are probably one of the scarier teams. They're comfortable
[3:27] Speaker 3: playing them right there in the division, so they've seen
[3:29] Speaker 3: that personnel. It's not like Denver and New England are
[3:32] Speaker 3: unbeatable squads. So I would say Jacksonville haven't seen the
[3:37] Speaker 3: odds of them to win the AFC. But if they
[3:39] Speaker 3: get by the Bills, to me, they are very very
[3:41] Speaker 3: live to win the AFC. The hurdle because there's gonna
[3:45] Speaker 3: be some weird pressure on the Jags.
[3:47] Speaker 1: They're at home.
[3:48] Speaker 3: They're taking on this guy who's most considered when he's
[3:51] Speaker 3: on the best player in the NFL. If they if
[3:53] Speaker 3: they are able to slay that dragon, I can see
[3:56] Speaker 3: the Jags win the AFC for sure.
[3:59] Speaker 2: Remember Buffalo is a very weird first half team. They
[4:02] Speaker 2: play from behind. Now today they didn't against the hapless Jets.
[4:08] Speaker 2: But you get down like I would take the Jags
[4:11] Speaker 2: in the first half. You get down to Jacksonville and
[4:16] Speaker 2: you know, good luck. They have a pass rush. So again,
[4:19] Speaker 2: Buffalo has trailed, I think in six of their last
[4:21] Speaker 2: eight games in the second half. They're not a fast
[4:23] Speaker 2: starting team.
[4:24] Speaker 1: John.
[4:24] Speaker 2: When you go on the road, regular season or playoffs
[4:28] Speaker 2: or college football, when you go on the road, you
[4:30] Speaker 2: have to start quickly. Like Seattle at San Francisco took
[4:33] Speaker 2: command of the game first tribe, You're like, okay, okay,
[4:36] Speaker 2: the crowds not a factor. Buffalo go on the road,
[4:40] Speaker 2: get down fourteen to three, fourteen to nothing like that.
[4:43] Speaker 2: Thing could go sideways fast. Jacksonville's a much better starting
[4:47] Speaker 2: team with an offensive coach in scripted plays. You know,
[4:51] Speaker 2: this is nothing against McDermott, but a team as good
[4:53] Speaker 2: as Buffalo shouldn't trail six of eight games in the
[4:56] Speaker 2: second half in a water down AFC. Jacksonville's a rough
[5:01] Speaker 2: matchup for them. Now, there's no odds yet the Texans
[5:06] Speaker 2: will go either to Baltimore or Pittsburgh, and I think
[5:09] Speaker 2: they will control both. My guess is the Texans would
[5:12] Speaker 2: go on the road and be like a two and
[5:14] Speaker 2: a half point favorite at Baltimore at Pittsburgh. I really
[5:19] Speaker 2: like the Texans. I think you and I both feel this.
[5:22] Speaker 2: You know, you just forget they keep making the playoffs
[5:26] Speaker 2: and c J. Strouds won't playoff games like Demiko Ryans
[5:30] Speaker 2: is like Mike McDonald. You know, do you talk to
[5:33] Speaker 2: you guys around the league like Mike McDonald And Demiko
[5:36] Speaker 2: Ryans is defensive coaches. Jesse Mentor is a defensive coordinator.
[5:40] Speaker 2: They're just different, and I I gotta tell you the
[5:45] Speaker 2: one team I would not want to play is the Texans.
[5:48] Speaker 2: Could you know they're going to be the underdog. Nobody's
[5:51] Speaker 2: pulling form outside of Houston. I don't care if they
[5:54] Speaker 2: play the Ravens and the Steelers. I like the Ravens
[5:56] Speaker 2: tonight close. Where are you on that?
[5:59] Speaker 1: I think they match you.
[6:00] Speaker 3: I think the Steelers would have no shot against them,
[6:03] Speaker 3: you know, because Rogers running away not possible. That they're
[6:06] Speaker 3: passing games atrocious. I guess DK's back. They can't really.
[6:09] Speaker 1: Run the ball.
[6:10] Speaker 3: The one way to neutralize a good pass rush would
[6:12] Speaker 3: be to run the ball, Derrick Henry's come alive of late.
[6:16] Speaker 3: You know, depending on Lamar, you know, whether he if
[6:19] Speaker 3: he ends up playing to night, how he looks, if
[6:21] Speaker 3: he's healthy for that game, just poses a problem.
[6:25] Speaker 1: To me.
[6:25] Speaker 3: The Ravens are a tougher matchup than the Steelers, but
[6:28] Speaker 3: I beat either.
[6:30] Speaker 1: And if they win that game, they are like the Jags.
[6:34] Speaker 3: I mean, you could argue two teams that are going
[6:37] Speaker 3: to surprise nobody if they're sitting in there in the
[6:39] Speaker 3: AFC with a chance to win the conference. Is the
[6:41] Speaker 3: Jags and the Texans. Their physicality, the coaching staff, their mentality.
[6:47] Speaker 3: I mean, I've loved Houston. I listen, I thought Houston
[6:49] Speaker 3: was a lock to win the division coming into the season. Obviously,
[6:52] Speaker 3: the Jags have had an incredible season. When your defense
[6:55] Speaker 3: is that good, you can beat anybody.
[6:57] Speaker 1: You know.
[6:58] Speaker 3: And look and look at this, Drake May second year player,
[7:00] Speaker 3: Bo Nick, second year player. It's like they're going to
[7:02] Speaker 3: be intimidated playing those two guys. Right, Drake's a better
[7:05] Speaker 3: player than bo Knicks, but look who.
[7:07] Speaker 1: He's throwing to.
[7:08] Speaker 3: I mean, they have elite dB play in Houston, So
[7:11] Speaker 3: to me, what they do translates to all the opponents
[7:14] Speaker 3: they're gonna see. You know, they've they've beaten the Jags
[7:18] Speaker 3: with their backup quarterback. Remember they were down like twenty
[7:20] Speaker 3: nine ten and came storming back in that game. So
[7:22] Speaker 3: I think of all the wild cards that we're going
[7:25] Speaker 3: to talk about, maybe the Rams once we get to
[7:28] Speaker 3: the NFC, the Texans would have the best chance to
[7:30] Speaker 3: be representing their conference of the wildcard teams in.
[7:32] Speaker 1: The Super Bowl.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Totally agree. You know, Denver, we've seen this in college
[7:36] Speaker 2: football where a bye doesn't necessarily work in football. Like,
[7:41] Speaker 2: if you're like Seattle young athletic, they needed to play,
[7:45] Speaker 2: They're going to get a bye. Denver's gonna get a buye.
[7:47] Speaker 2: I think those two teams, I think they'd want to play.
[7:51] Speaker 2: I think if I'm Seattle after that, yeah, I want
[7:54] Speaker 2: to get back out there and play. Denver's in a
[7:56] Speaker 2: weird spot. I mean, here's where Denver gets a big break.
[8:00] Speaker 2: Houston warm weather team, JAG's warm weather team. You know,
[8:05] Speaker 2: the New England would be fine, but you know you
[8:07] Speaker 2: can see Jacksonville that already beat Denver right going back
[8:11] Speaker 2: to Denver and it's eight degrees. You could absolutely see that.
[8:15] Speaker 2: So it's like in a weird way sometimes losing you know,
[8:19] Speaker 2: that game to Jacksonville. Now, okay, I get us see
[8:22] Speaker 2: what they do. Now, let's play them again when it's
[8:24] Speaker 2: really cold, really windy. So that Denver does have a
[8:28] Speaker 2: not just an altitude, but a little bit of a
[8:30] Speaker 2: wind advantage against you know, a cold weather advantage against
[8:34] Speaker 2: potentially the Chargers, the Jags, and the Texans. I think
[8:37] Speaker 2: that'll be understated, but it's something. It's a couple of
[8:40] Speaker 2: points to me.
[8:41] Speaker 1: They like Seattle.
[8:42] Speaker 3: There are only so many teams in the NFL that
[8:44] Speaker 3: have collegiate like atmospheres that it is a massive home
[8:47] Speaker 3: field advantage, and Denver clearly is one. The altitude and
[8:50] Speaker 3: the crowd is just elite. I mean, you watched that
[8:53] Speaker 3: Lway documentary and it's just that place. When it's rocking Peyton,
[8:56] Speaker 3: Manning and those it's a They've beaten Brady there countless
[8:59] Speaker 3: time over the decades with Shanahan to when Elway was
[9:03] Speaker 3: the GM. So when you look at the AFC, that
[9:06] Speaker 3: to me is a point of difference for Denver like Jacksonville.
[9:10] Speaker 3: You know, let's say Jacksonville and Buffalo end up playing
[9:12] Speaker 3: Saturday night, It'll look pretty good in the dark night.
[9:15] Speaker 3: But I would say Jacksonville some home field advantage. Houston
[9:18] Speaker 3: does not have one. The Chargers don't have one. Denver
[9:21] Speaker 3: in the pass obviously throughout the years. I mean that
[9:24] Speaker 3: is a point of you know, that's a huge it's
[9:26] Speaker 3: been a massive advantage for Andy and the Chiefs over
[9:29] Speaker 3: the last five or six years, playing all those games
[9:31] Speaker 3: Arrowhead Collegiate like atmosphere cold that these teams. I mean,
[9:35] Speaker 3: there's no way to prepare when you're playing in seven
[9:38] Speaker 3: degrees because you can be like, okay, we'll practice outside, well,
[9:40] Speaker 3: you won't get anything done. So that's where coaches like
[9:43] Speaker 3: they'll go outside for a minute and then they'll go
[9:44] Speaker 3: in the bubble because they they want to you know,
[9:47] Speaker 3: get the game plan installed, be able to communicate. No
[9:50] Speaker 3: one can listen because you can't focus. So to me, Denver,
[9:54] Speaker 3: the home field advantage is on their side. But when
[9:56] Speaker 3: you watch and play.
[9:57] Speaker 1: Somethings off, they don't. They don't really.
[10:00] Speaker 3: Oh and bo Nicks that one game he played against
[10:02] Speaker 3: Green Bay was incredible. But even today and I get it,
[10:05] Speaker 3: the Chargers have a good defense of mentality. You just
[10:08] Speaker 3: what's going on here?
[10:09] Speaker 1: You'd like a little more juice.
[10:10] Speaker 3: That's the one thing the Patriots have. They get easier opponents,
[10:14] Speaker 3: but they roll them. They get so much momentum so
[10:17] Speaker 3: that the confidence that quarterback has compared is bo Nick's
[10:20] Speaker 3: confident or does he just keep telling me he's confident
[10:22] Speaker 3: because I watch him play. Doesn't always play confident where
[10:25] Speaker 3: Drake may plays pretty swaggy.
[10:27] Speaker 1: As the kids would.
[10:28] Speaker 2: Say, NFC Seattle gets the buy again. I don't think
[10:32] Speaker 2: Seattle would want the buy young dominating performance against San Francisco.
[10:37] Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a bit. So let's look
[10:39] Speaker 2: at the NFC all these odds via the hard Rock Bet. Okay,
[10:43] Speaker 2: we'll start with this. The Rams would be a five seed.
[10:45] Speaker 2: They're going to Carolina. Carolina is going to be hosting
[10:49] Speaker 2: a playoff game, which is absurd. It's the second time
[10:52] Speaker 2: they face the Rams in a month. They beat him before,
[10:55] Speaker 2: and they beat him down the field. You can beat
[10:56] Speaker 2: the Rams over the top. It's an average corner situation
[11:00] Speaker 2: for them. Rams are a ten and a half point favorite.
[11:03] Speaker 2: This is one of these where like today I took
[11:05] Speaker 2: the Rams as a seven and a half point favorite
[11:07] Speaker 2: against Arizona. I'm like, it's just too many possessions Arizona's quit.
[11:11] Speaker 2: I think the Rams win this game. I would stay away.
[11:14] Speaker 2: I don't like giving up ten and a half to
[11:16] Speaker 2: a home playoff team, but I watched the Panthers yesterday.
[11:19] Speaker 2: Like you, you know, it's one of those things where Bryce
[11:24] Speaker 2: Young you're either a franchise quarterback, a backup, or you
[11:27] Speaker 2: could argue you're a bridge quarterback. I'd argue that Bryce
[11:30] Speaker 2: Young feels like a bridge quarterback. He's a little small.
[11:33] Speaker 2: I couldn't build around him, but you could play him
[11:36] Speaker 2: as a starter for a year. He just won the division.
[11:38] Speaker 2: I mean he backed into it. But my take is
[11:41] Speaker 2: the Rams should be favored. There's such an odd team
[11:45] Speaker 2: for considering they have McVeigh weapons in Stafford. They start
[11:49] Speaker 2: slow a lot. They put Arizona away in the second half.
[11:54] Speaker 2: Any strong feeling there, I was.
[11:55] Speaker 3: The second half that they were up twenty three twenty
[11:57] Speaker 3: going into the fourth quarter.
[11:59] Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Rams looked terrible.
[12:01] Speaker 3: McVeigh had this look on his face that looked like
[12:04] Speaker 3: if we lose this game and lose the opportunity to
[12:06] Speaker 3: play the NFC South winner, I might just go to Amazon.
[12:10] Speaker 3: You could see it on it like this is because
[12:12] Speaker 3: they look kind of lifeless. Jacoby Brissett hit this bomb
[12:16] Speaker 3: down the sideline and it got caught back, and that's
[12:18] Speaker 3: kind of where the game stopped the momentum for Arizona
[12:21] Speaker 3: because it felt like Arizona could score on them every
[12:24] Speaker 3: single time. And you're like, I thought part of the Rams
[12:26] Speaker 3: deal was their defense, And I started thinking, whatever happened
[12:30] Speaker 3: that night in Seattle when Seattle came storming back, they
[12:33] Speaker 3: lost their mojo. I mean they I know, they came back.
[12:36] Speaker 3: Last morning. They were down twenty one to nothing at
[12:38] Speaker 3: half on the road to Atlanta. I mean, I watched
[12:40] Speaker 3: Atlanta today. They're not you know, I know they got
[12:43] Speaker 3: some good players, but give me a break, especially when
[12:45] Speaker 3: you're trying to play for seating like they were last week.
[12:48] Speaker 1: That was an important game.
[12:49] Speaker 3: Sean mcvage took that and they were down twenty one nothing.
[12:52] Speaker 3: My opinion has changed dramatically on the Rams. I am
[12:54] Speaker 3: not as against Carolina for sure. I mean we need
[12:58] Speaker 3: to enact something. If you under five hundred, you should.
[13:01] Speaker 1: Not be able to host a playoff game.
[13:03] Speaker 3: That's sort you could make the argument that you shouldn't
[13:06] Speaker 3: even be eligible for the playoffs. If other teams Minnesota
[13:09] Speaker 3: the Lions. Some of these other teams have better records
[13:11] Speaker 3: than you.
[13:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's an argument to be made that
[13:15] Speaker 2: if you're under five hundred, you can make the playoffs,
[13:17] Speaker 2: you can't host a playoff game. I'd be five back, Yeah,
[13:22] Speaker 2: so would I. You know, the Rams, I've watched every
[13:24] Speaker 2: snap really all year long. And you see it with Goff,
[13:30] Speaker 2: you see it with Kirk Cousins, and you see it
[13:31] Speaker 2: with Stafford. When you do not have a mobile quarterback
[13:36] Speaker 2: as good as Stafford is, John, you can't roll the pocket.
[13:40] Speaker 2: You don't get those sort of off script third and
[13:43] Speaker 2: seven runs for first downs. There's about six to seven
[13:46] Speaker 2: times a game that a San Francisco or a Seattle
[13:50] Speaker 2: can roll the pocket. Pretty did it a couple times yesterday.
[13:55] Speaker 2: Sam did it once yesterday. You get those four or
[13:57] Speaker 2: five first downs a game because you're orderback is mobile,
[14:01] Speaker 2: or you can or you can escape when you have Golf,
[14:04] Speaker 2: when you have Stafford, when you have Cousins, If the
[14:07] Speaker 2: play that's designed doesn't work, it can get sideways. It
[14:13] Speaker 2: can be an ugly loss. And I feel like sometimes
[14:16] Speaker 2: the Rams get into these cycles where they've run.
[14:18] Speaker 1: Through their scripted stuff.
[14:20] Speaker 2: They're there, you know, now it's McVeigh on the play
[14:24] Speaker 2: sheet looking for some new wiggles, and they stall out.
[14:28] Speaker 2: They have these quarters where they stall out, where again,
[14:33] Speaker 2: if I'm Shanahan, I can just start going to boot stuff.
[14:37] Speaker 2: Darnold does a lot of that. You start doing bootstuff.
[14:39] Speaker 2: You can do a little bit of that with Stafford.
[14:42] Speaker 2: But I do feel like watching the Rams, they're susceptible
[14:45] Speaker 2: in the back end. I mean, they got a big
[14:47] Speaker 2: break on that deep ball down the field that was
[14:49] Speaker 2: caught by Wilson and there was a penalty and it
[14:52] Speaker 2: was a legitimate pedally against an Arizona offensive lineman.
[14:55] Speaker 3: But will Wilson was all killing them today.
[14:57] Speaker 1: I mean, Wilson was left and.
[14:59] Speaker 2: Right and I feel a little bit like the Rams.
[15:03] Speaker 2: This is why they need to, you know, at some
[15:05] Speaker 2: point get a mobile quarterback because their backups are Jimmy
[15:08] Speaker 2: Garoppolo and Stetsan Bennett. Those guys don't move either. I
[15:11] Speaker 2: just feel like this offense, for all the talent, stalls out. Well.
[15:14] Speaker 3: I think one thing to derail the offense because it
[15:16] Speaker 3: had kind of become and in its peak earlier in
[15:19] Speaker 3: the season. You know, like when you think back Denver
[15:21] Speaker 3: with Peyton Manning. They had so many weapons. I mean,
[15:24] Speaker 3: when you have Davante and Puka Nakula, no one has
[15:26] Speaker 3: better than that. I think DeVante led the league for
[15:29] Speaker 3: receivers in touchdowns when he got injured. I don't know,
[15:31] Speaker 3: I haven't looked at it today, but up until leading
[15:33] Speaker 3: up to this week, that's how dominant he was in
[15:36] Speaker 3: the red zone. So you factor him and with Pooka,
[15:38] Speaker 3: who feels like the averages double digit catches a game,
[15:41] Speaker 3: and then all their other just auxiliary weapons are kind
[15:43] Speaker 3: of an unstoppable offense.
[15:44] Speaker 1: Will you remove him? It puts so much pressure on
[15:47] Speaker 1: Pooka and Nakula.
[15:48] Speaker 3: There are other weapons are fine, but they get elevated
[15:51] Speaker 3: into kind of taking over for DeVante and it becomes
[15:53] Speaker 3: a little more difficult. Now, like you said, over the
[15:57] Speaker 3: course of the game, Arizona just fell off. I mean,
[15:59] Speaker 3: they have a million injuries. They're rolling on Michael will
[16:02] Speaker 3: Trey McBride's a good player, but they got a lot
[16:04] Speaker 3: of random guys out there. I do think the health
[16:07] Speaker 3: of DeVante, if you tell me he's fully healthy. They
[16:09] Speaker 3: get by the Panthers, then they are I mean, obviously
[16:13] Speaker 3: a very very potent team coming into the playoffs, but
[16:15] Speaker 3: if you remove him, they are liable to lose to
[16:17] Speaker 3: anybody not naming the Panthers. And the one thing about Carolina,
[16:21] Speaker 3: unlike a lot of the Southern teams, like obviously Tampa
[16:23] Speaker 3: can rain, Carolina and Tennessee are two areas in the
[16:26] Speaker 3: South that can get cold. I mean, it could just
[16:29] Speaker 3: be a weird cold weather game. Well that could just
[16:33] Speaker 3: make it weird. Now I'd be stunned if they won,
[16:35] Speaker 3: but I could see if the weather's weird, you just
[16:36] Speaker 3: never know.
[16:37] Speaker 1: It's a long flight.
[16:39] Speaker 2: Also, t Mac and Laguette are big, long targets. The
[16:46] Speaker 2: Rams corners are small. They've they've been beaten down the
[16:49] Speaker 2: field by large targets. So Carolina's got the kind of reversus.
[16:53] Speaker 2: AJ Brown is a nightmare matchup for the Rams. And
[16:58] Speaker 2: Carolina's got two long, athletic receivers, so you can see
[17:03] Speaker 2: them backdoor covering it scoring at some point. I just
[17:07] Speaker 2: I kind of feel when I watch Carolina they just
[17:11] Speaker 2: they Dan Morgan the GM. They need six more draft
[17:14] Speaker 2: picks and one more free agents free agent.
[17:20] Speaker 1: Month.
[17:20] Speaker 2: They just don't have enough good players. Okay, the forty
[17:23] Speaker 2: nine ers, a six seed, go to Philadelphia Philadelphia a
[17:32] Speaker 2: three seed and the Eagles are a touchdown favorite. All right,
[17:39] Speaker 2: so if Ricky Pierson and Trent Williams play both missed
[17:42] Speaker 2: the Seattle game, I think the Niners are a live dog.
[17:46] Speaker 2: But I will say Philadelphia can create pressure. And I
[17:50] Speaker 2: said this going into the Seattle game. I took the
[17:52] Speaker 2: Seahawks this weekend. Is that if you speed rock pretty up,
[17:57] Speaker 2: it's not a great old line, it's a solid old line.
[17:59] Speaker 2: If you speed brock pretty up, you have a chance
[18:03] Speaker 2: to make a few more mistakes. He wasn't very comfortable
[18:06] Speaker 2: against Seattle. I do think he's cut down on the mistakes.
[18:09] Speaker 2: I think he's had a hell of a year when
[18:10] Speaker 2: he's healthy. I would take Philadelphia to win. I'm not
[18:13] Speaker 2: sure if i'd take him to cover. But I do
[18:16] Speaker 2: feel like if you go look at the Niners. I
[18:18] Speaker 2: looked it up today. Since week six, John, they've lost
[18:21] Speaker 2: to the Texans Rams in Seattle. If you have an
[18:24] Speaker 2: elite defense, you have such a defensive advantage over them
[18:28] Speaker 2: because they don't create any pressure. Sam Darnold was very
[18:30] Speaker 2: comfortable and Sala has to take big risks with blitz
[18:34] Speaker 2: packages to create any kind of rush, and the Texans
[18:38] Speaker 2: rams and Seattle beat him without having to do that,
[18:41] Speaker 2: and Philadelphia will get somewhat of a pass rush without
[18:44] Speaker 2: having to bring extra bodies and compromise the secondary. So
[18:47] Speaker 2: if you look at what the Niners have done since
[18:50] Speaker 2: Week six, they're wins. They're not beating teams with the
[18:53] Speaker 2: elite level defenses because they can't offer that. They just
[18:56] Speaker 2: like when you watch that Seattle game, it was thirteen
[18:58] Speaker 2: to three, but it didn't feel like that. It felt
[19:01] Speaker 2: like twenty seven to three. It didn't feel that competitive.
[19:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, they they got murdered.
[19:06] Speaker 3: The Niners proved they're like an NBA team that wants
[19:09] Speaker 3: to play in the one twenties and one thirties, that
[19:11] Speaker 3: they want to get into a high flying game where
[19:13] Speaker 3: they can score a bunch of points and just get
[19:16] Speaker 3: to a position close to the end of the game
[19:17] Speaker 3: and hopefully they're coaching. And they did it against Colts,
[19:19] Speaker 3: and they did it against the Bears.
[19:21] Speaker 1: I mean they.
[19:21] Speaker 3: Scored they won a game forty eight or forty two
[19:24] Speaker 3: to thirty eight. I mean that's how they wanted to play.
[19:27] Speaker 3: And the question was could they get and win a
[19:29] Speaker 3: game if it was like seventeen to fifteen, because that's
[19:32] Speaker 3: what that game last night.
[19:33] Speaker 1: Was going to be.
[19:34] Speaker 3: And their defense is really really bad, and they lost
[19:37] Speaker 3: their two linebackers last night, so I have no clue. Now,
[19:40] Speaker 3: the Eagles are the most talented team that can look
[19:44] Speaker 3: the most incompetent for stretches, probably in my lifetime. I mean,
[19:47] Speaker 3: they have so much elite talent on their team it's crazy.
[19:50] Speaker 3: And they got a quarterback who can run, so to me,
[19:53] Speaker 3: if they just have a competent game plan, there's no
[19:55] Speaker 3: way the Niners can stop them, and their defense with
[19:58] Speaker 3: Fangio is more than competent enough to just slow them down.
[20:02] Speaker 3: The other thing the Niners. What Seattle did last night
[20:04] Speaker 3: is run a classic Kyle Shanahan in their peak teams
[20:08] Speaker 3: game plan. We're gonna shove the ball down your throat
[20:10] Speaker 3: running the ball, and we're gonna hit you so hard
[20:13] Speaker 3: on every play.
[20:13] Speaker 1: We'll just wear you down.
[20:15] Speaker 3: The scores in their heyday doesn't the scores weren't always blowouts,
[20:20] Speaker 3: but we're gonna smother you.
[20:23] Speaker 1: Basically played a Shanahan game.
[20:27] Speaker 2: How many Niners last night, I don't remember. I remember
[20:30] Speaker 2: one Seahawk being slow to get up. There had to
[20:33] Speaker 2: have been six different forty nine ers that literally got
[20:36] Speaker 2: either went to the tent or stayed on the ground.
[20:40] Speaker 2: I mean, Seattle beat San Francisco up for three and
[20:45] Speaker 2: a half hours, and and pierceall and Trent didn't play.
[20:49] Speaker 2: Kittle did. He's still remarkable. I just feel like the Niners,
[20:54] Speaker 2: the gig is up east, They're out of bodies. There's
[20:59] Speaker 2: just nothing they can do. I think Philadelphia arrested a
[21:01] Speaker 2: lot of their guys. Philadelphia. I mean just I don't know.
[21:05] Speaker 2: I just don't think San Francisco's got the AMMO.
[21:08] Speaker 3: I will say this, and I know the way the
[21:11] Speaker 3: Eagles in that building internalized stuff they do have. They
[21:15] Speaker 3: think obviously most people do really highly of Kyle. That
[21:19] Speaker 3: is not just an easy coaching staff. We talked about
[21:21] Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh getting you just get Kyle Shanahan and Robert
[21:24] Speaker 3: Sala in the first round. Now, there's only so much
[21:26] Speaker 3: Robert Sala can do. But Kyle just got embarrassed. You know,
[21:30] Speaker 3: probably in front of thirty thirty five million people. They
[21:33] Speaker 3: are gonna have some stuff that they're gonna bring to Philadelphia.
[21:36] Speaker 1: And here's the other thing.
[21:37] Speaker 3: If you can just make it a little weird, right,
[21:42] Speaker 3: maybe ten to seven year up at halftime, that place
[21:44] Speaker 3: will start boooning you because they already don't really like
[21:47] Speaker 3: this team like they don't because they're not an entertaining
[21:50] Speaker 3: team to watch. So if you can get them tight,
[21:54] Speaker 3: that place can get tight. Because this ego season has
[21:57] Speaker 3: been weird. If I would have told you this today,
[22:01] Speaker 3: the Bears were gonna lose, he would have said, oh,
[22:03] Speaker 3: the Eagles are playing Washington even with their backups.
[22:05] Speaker 1: The Eagles will be the two seed.
[22:07] Speaker 3: And I look, the Eagles lose. How's that?
[22:10] Speaker 1: How do you lose? With the Bears losing?
[22:11] Speaker 3: If I would have been Sirianni and I look up
[22:14] Speaker 3: and they're down sixteen to nothing, I'm on the headsets. Hey,
[22:16] Speaker 3: we got to dial. We had a chance to be
[22:17] Speaker 3: the two seed.
[22:18] Speaker 1: That's multiple home games.
[22:20] Speaker 3: That is a massive, massive advantage. They know what they
[22:23] Speaker 3: I mean, They've been the one seed multiple times. They
[22:25] Speaker 3: understand the power of playing home games in the playoffs.
[22:28] Speaker 3: Now they might have to go on the road.
[22:30] Speaker 2: I when I do my herd hararchy, when I do
[22:34] Speaker 2: my herd hierarchy on Tuesday, I never know what to
[22:36] Speaker 2: do with Philadelphia.
[22:37] Speaker 1: I don't trust them at all.
[22:38] Speaker 2: I don't know what I don't know what to do
[22:40] Speaker 2: with them. I love their talent, I don't know what
[22:41] Speaker 2: to do with them.
[22:42] Speaker 3: So I think all the pressure there is on Philly
[22:46] Speaker 3: and Sirianni and we just know that place. Yes, and
[22:50] Speaker 3: that's I don't know the game times yet, but i'd
[22:52] Speaker 3: be I mean, that's got like Sunday Night Football written
[22:54] Speaker 3: all over it.
[22:55] Speaker 1: Right.
[22:56] Speaker 2: If you told me Pierceaal and Trent Williams and kill play,
[23:01] Speaker 2: that's a good live dog. They'll score, they'll they'll they'll score.
[23:05] Speaker 2: But God, and you know that of all the games
[23:12] Speaker 2: we've talked about. So let's transition to this Green Bay
[23:16] Speaker 2: seven seed Bears, two seed. Yet the Bears have a
[23:19] Speaker 2: two game losing streak going into the playoffs. It is
[23:22] Speaker 2: according to hard Rock Bet, it is a pick em.
[23:25] Speaker 2: It is a pick em. Now here's the advantage for
[23:28] Speaker 2: the Bears. With Micah Parsons out. They don't generate much
[23:33] Speaker 2: of a pass rush, right. They got to they got
[23:35] Speaker 2: to scheme it up like solid. They've got to take
[23:37] Speaker 2: some chances, compromise the back end of their defense. I
[23:40] Speaker 2: think I like the Bears in this spot. You know
[23:43] Speaker 2: it's watching them today, I almost felt like they were overconfident.
[23:47] Speaker 2: Like they knew they were in the playoffs. Then all
[23:49] Speaker 2: of a sudden in the fourth quarter, you're like, okay, touchdown,
[23:52] Speaker 2: two point conversion. Touchdown two point conversion for the record,
[23:56] Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin and Caleb Williams, it is a thing now
[23:59] Speaker 2: like Holston had a day to day Luther Burden and
[24:03] Speaker 2: colst At Luther Burden and Caleb that's better now. So
[24:07] Speaker 2: I like Chicago in this spot. Again, it's a little
[24:10] Speaker 2: bit of ammo. Green Bay kind of limps into it.
[24:14] Speaker 2: Would would you roll the dice and take the Bears here?
[24:17] Speaker 1: I would say both the Eagles and the Bears.
[24:20] Speaker 3: If you would have told them, hey, you get home
[24:22] Speaker 3: playoff game first round.
[24:23] Speaker 1: You're the two and three.
[24:24] Speaker 3: Seed, you know six months ago, but you have to
[24:26] Speaker 3: play the Green Bay Packers and the San Franco forty
[24:28] Speaker 3: nine ers, they both would have been like, are you
[24:30] Speaker 3: kidding me? I think part of it is watching the
[24:33] Speaker 3: Bears game today. I give them a little bit of
[24:36] Speaker 3: a pass. They have this devastating loss right to the
[24:39] Speaker 3: forty nine ers on Sunday Night football. You're in the playoffs,
[24:43] Speaker 3: you're guaranteed a too or you're guaranteed a home game.
[24:45] Speaker 3: Young team, but their defense, Colin is not very good.
[24:48] Speaker 3: It might be a little bit better than the forty
[24:50] Speaker 3: nine ers. There are a lot of parallels there. They're
[24:52] Speaker 3: for the forty nine ers and the Bears are kind.
[24:55] Speaker 1: Of carbon copies of each other.
[24:57] Speaker 2: They gave them four hundred and forty yards to Detroit
[24:59] Speaker 2: today in bad weather.
[25:00] Speaker 3: There were guys wide open whatever Jared Goff was, Saint
[25:03] Speaker 3: Brown coming across the middle, Jamis and William coming across
[25:05] Speaker 3: the middle.
[25:06] Speaker 1: Their dB play that they give up a lot of yards.
[25:09] Speaker 1: We just saw the.
[25:09] Speaker 3: Niners score a bunch of points on them. Now can
[25:13] Speaker 3: Green Bay take advantage of it? It feels like every time
[25:15] Speaker 3: I look up Green Bays playing and meaningless game. They
[25:16] Speaker 3: got guys on the ground, so they have a ton
[25:18] Speaker 3: of injuries that their defense is really banged up. Their offense,
[25:22] Speaker 3: you know it is Malik Willis a better option right
[25:25] Speaker 3: now than Jordan Love don't. I don't know, but I
[25:27] Speaker 3: mean they got a lot of question marks in that organization.
[25:29] Speaker 3: You got a coach playing for you know, coaching for
[25:31] Speaker 3: a contract extension. But that is a weird. There's not
[25:34] Speaker 3: a Bears fan you live around a lot of them.
[25:36] Speaker 3: Now they're comfortable with that matchup. You've had this magical season.
[25:40] Speaker 3: You're the freaking two seed and you get the Green
[25:43] Speaker 3: Bay Packers. Even if they come limping in and everyone's
[25:46] Speaker 3: gonna be picking you, that's the thing.
[25:47] Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be picking the Bears.
[25:49] Speaker 3: I could just see that thing can get weird as well.
[25:52] Speaker 3: That I'd say the Packers technically not a dog, but
[25:55] Speaker 3: a live dog in that situation for being a team
[25:57] Speaker 3: that no one's gonna pick.
[25:58] Speaker 2: You know, with Chicago, they have a playmaker at safety.
[26:03] Speaker 2: They have eleven catches almost one hundred and fifty yards
[26:06] Speaker 2: to on Sat Brown.
[26:07] Speaker 1: He was wide dominating.
[26:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you look at the NFC, DeVante Adams
[26:13] Speaker 2: will be back. Aj Brown will be back San Francisco
[26:16] Speaker 2: with Piersall and Jennings those guys. Those guys are playmakers.
[26:20] Speaker 2: So Chicago's the kind of team that they're. You know,
[26:24] Speaker 2: they remind me a little of the Rams, where I
[26:27] Speaker 2: don't trust the back end of their defense. They can
[26:30] Speaker 2: really unimpress you. And then you look up and the
[26:34] Speaker 2: Bears in the Rams can put two or three drives
[26:36] Speaker 2: together in a row in the second half and you're like, okay,
[26:38] Speaker 2: all right, this is explosive. I mean Caleb still makes throws.
[26:42] Speaker 2: I mean he made a couple today on those two
[26:44] Speaker 2: scoring drives.
[26:45] Speaker 1: Like he is.
[26:47] Speaker 2: He is, so he's got a physical confidence. Like when
[26:50] Speaker 2: he rolls back to throw and he's in, he's rolling
[26:52] Speaker 2: to his right, he's toying with the defensive players, he's
[26:55] Speaker 2: just kind of playing with him. He's going back and forth.
[26:57] Speaker 2: He's totally If Stafford rolls right, he's not controlling it.
[27:01] Speaker 2: He's waiting for somebody to quickly get open. When when
[27:05] Speaker 2: Caleb rolls right, he he could do a high school
[27:08] Speaker 2: pivot and say I'm gonna run backwards. I'm just gonna
[27:10] Speaker 2: buy something like Josh Allen does that occasionally. Like guys,
[27:13] Speaker 2: I'm controlling this situation. I think I like Chicago in
[27:17] Speaker 2: this spot. I really do like how Colston Loveland and
[27:20] Speaker 2: Caleb have really created something special. Like today, it was incredible.
[27:25] Speaker 2: Every big play at was Colston Loveland. They really used
[27:28] Speaker 2: their tight ends. Cole comet at a two point conversion.
[27:30] Speaker 3: Two, that place is going to be pretty special on
[27:33] Speaker 3: that in that game. I mean, that's that's we're talking
[27:35] Speaker 3: about home field advantage. They haven't once, they haven't made
[27:39] Speaker 3: the playoffs in a while. Definitely haven't made the playoffs
[27:43] Speaker 3: as a team people think can win a couple of games.
[27:46] Speaker 3: It's that that atmosphere a couple of weeks ago when
[27:50] Speaker 3: they played Green Bay had to be one of the
[27:51] Speaker 3: more special games of the year just in terms of
[27:53] Speaker 3: watching it on TV as a viewer. I think there's
[27:56] Speaker 3: a chance that place is absolutely I mean, it's going
[27:59] Speaker 3: to be rocking. It's going to be really really cool.
[28:02] Speaker 3: And can they feed into that and maybe that helps
[28:03] Speaker 3: the defense out a little bit. They just they have
[28:06] Speaker 3: probably less injuries than Niners, and their talent on defense
[28:09] Speaker 3: is just not great. You know, the front seven is
[28:11] Speaker 3: not that good. They don't have a great pass rusher.
[28:14] Speaker 3: They basically just got to score a bunch of points.
[28:24] Speaker 2: Will he worked in Chicago radio for a long time.
[28:26] Speaker 2: Now he's on FS one career as Sunchon. Been fun
[28:29] Speaker 2: to see. His name is Danny Parkins. So Saturday a
[28:33] Speaker 2: friend of mine in California, he said, Hey, I take
[28:37] Speaker 2: my son to a game every year, and we know
[28:41] Speaker 2: you live in Chicago. Do you want to go to
[28:43] Speaker 2: the Bears game? I said, it's going to be thirty
[28:45] Speaker 2: mile hour wind gusts and snowing He's like, it'll be
[28:47] Speaker 2: so much fun, and I said, when you live in it,
[28:51] Speaker 2: it's really not that fun, Like I don't ski anymore. So,
[28:55] Speaker 2: but it is interesting when I look at that Packer game.
[28:58] Speaker 2: What I think is fascinating is usually when the Packers
[29:01] Speaker 2: play in a playoff game, they are the story, and
[29:04] Speaker 2: it's a total Bear story. Ben Johnson, Caleb the Bears
[29:09] Speaker 2: are literally what everybody is watching for. And my theory
[29:13] Speaker 2: is the lousy weather benefits the Bears because they have
[29:18] Speaker 2: one of the best run games. The Packers run game
[29:20] Speaker 2: isn't as good. The Bears have a better run game,
[29:22] Speaker 2: a better old line, and I would argue the ability
[29:26] Speaker 2: for Caleb to just take off is actually usually the
[29:31] Speaker 2: more skilled offense is at a disadvantage when the weather stinks,
[29:36] Speaker 2: and I actually think it plays into the bears favor
[29:39] Speaker 2: And I like Chicago this weekend, and I think they're
[29:42] Speaker 2: the second best bet on the board after Jacksonville.
[29:46] Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot there. Caleb's best game of the
[29:49] Speaker 1: season and arguably his career, was against Cleveland and their
[29:53] Speaker 1: defense was very good this year and it was the
[29:56] Speaker 1: coldest game at Soldier Field in like twenty years. His
[30:00] Speaker 1: arm is ridiculous, ridiculous. So they now Jordan Love's got
[30:04] Speaker 1: a very he's got a plus arm.
[30:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[30:06] Speaker 1: So, but like bad conditions should impact Caleb less than
[30:13] Speaker 1: other players because of his like physical gifts. And then
[30:17] Speaker 1: everything else you said is absolutely true. Home field, offensive line,
[30:21] Speaker 1: run game, all of those things. Green Bay's defense also,
[30:25] Speaker 1: you know, they've lost four straight. Micah got hurt four
[30:29] Speaker 1: games ago. They have three sacks and no interceptions in
[30:32] Speaker 1: their last four games down the stretch. That's the Jets.
[30:36] Speaker 1: The Jets have four sacks and no interceptions. They're the
[30:38] Speaker 1: only other team in that spot. They're giving up twenty
[30:40] Speaker 1: eight a game. Like the pack The Bears defense is
[30:43] Speaker 1: not good, but they lead the league in takeaways, like
[30:46] Speaker 1: they do make plays. The Packers defense, since losing Micah,
[30:51] Speaker 1: is just bad. They don't sack the quarterback, they don't
[30:53] Speaker 1: turn you over. They give up a lot of points.
[30:55] Speaker 1: So they're just bad and not even opportunistic. But before
[30:58] Speaker 1: we get into any more hardcore Access knows football, I'm going,
[31:04] Speaker 1: oh my god, Colin, you didn't even text me back.
[31:07] Speaker 1: I texted you and said, hey, I'm flying in Saturday morning,
[31:10] Speaker 1: do you want to grab lunch? And now I'm going
[31:13] Speaker 1: with my with my buddies and we're gonna get lunch.
[31:15] Speaker 1: So unless you want to come hang out with some
[31:16] Speaker 1: of us as we start boozing, you're more than welcome.
[31:20] Speaker 1: But Colin, I hate going to NFL games. Hate it.
[31:23] Speaker 1: It's expensive. People fight, Yeah, the traffic is miserable. I
[31:28] Speaker 1: think it's crazy that this game ended up on Saturday
[31:31] Speaker 1: instead of on Sunday. And there's been great reporting as
[31:34] Speaker 1: to like how the TV networks divvied up these games
[31:37] Speaker 1: and why Prime got the excellent game that is Bear's Packers.
[31:40] Speaker 1: But when I saw that it was Saturday night in
[31:42] Speaker 1: Chicago and I could fly in Saturday morning, fly back
[31:45] Speaker 1: to New York Sunday morning, be back in time to
[31:48] Speaker 1: watch all the Sunday games and go and not miss
[31:51] Speaker 1: anything by going to this Bears Packers game, this is
[31:54] Speaker 1: going to be a special thing. Like it's going to
[31:56] Speaker 1: be uncomfortable, it's going to be cold, but I I
[31:59] Speaker 1: havered double seats. I am right behind the Bears bench
[32:03] Speaker 1: like so I'm out in the elements, but like first
[32:05] Speaker 1: row behind the Bears bench. I have not been this
[32:08] Speaker 1: excited to go to an NFL game since I was
[32:10] Speaker 1: like a child like, I am very, very excited to
[32:14] Speaker 1: be there. It's because because your friend is correct, like,
[32:17] Speaker 1: it's going to be a it's gonna be an experience.
[32:22] Speaker 1: It's gonna be miserably cold and windy. I'm actually rooting
[32:27] Speaker 1: for it to be cold because I don't want it
[32:29] Speaker 1: to be If it's gonna I don't want it to
[32:30] Speaker 1: be rain like. I'd much rather it be snowing than rain. Yeah,
[32:34] Speaker 1: just for like comfort in the stadium. So if it's
[32:37] Speaker 1: like thirty three in raining, that's gonna be miserable, give
[32:39] Speaker 1: me twenty three in snow. Yeah, the thirty rain. But
[32:43] Speaker 1: I don't know. There's good Bears Packers Soldier Field, Bears
[32:47] Speaker 1: as the two seed, feeling like we are not out
[32:50] Speaker 1: coached and we are not out quarterbacked. I remember watching
[32:54] Speaker 1: football for the first time in nineteen ninety two, being
[32:56] Speaker 1: six years old. My old my dad, and my older
[32:59] Speaker 1: brother raised in Wisconsin, diehard Packers fans. Ninety two is
[33:03] Speaker 1: Brett Favre's first year in Green Bay. I've never seen
[33:07] Speaker 1: the Bears have a better quarterback than the Packers my
[33:10] Speaker 1: whole life. So the idea that like this game could
[33:15] Speaker 1: be like the beginning of the rivalry being real, and
[33:19] Speaker 1: that's the floor where the ceiling is like passing of
[33:22] Speaker 1: a torch to like an era of the Bears being
[33:25] Speaker 1: the hammer and the Packers being the nail. I'm just
[33:28] Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this game. I had to be there.
[33:30] Speaker 2: Well, you know, one of the things about running a
[33:36] Speaker 2: Northern tier team, and I've said this for years, Danny,
[33:39] Speaker 2: there's never been a dome dynasty in the NFL. There's
[33:42] Speaker 2: never been a warm weather dynasty.
[33:45] Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, that's interesting.
[33:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan Marino, one of the Cowboys. Uh, go there
[33:50] Speaker 2: in the winter. It's not that warm, it's it's you know,
[33:53] Speaker 2: they've got I went to a Super Bowl there were ice,
[33:55] Speaker 2: sheets of ice were falling off the stadium.
[33:58] Speaker 1: That was yes, sure, yes, okay.
[34:00] Speaker 2: So I don't consider I consider warm you know, Miami, Arizona,
[34:06] Speaker 2: an LA team, Jacksonville, there's never been a warm weather dynasty.
[34:13] Speaker 2: And so the NFL success has gone through cold, crappy weather.
[34:17] Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this the other day. Ben
[34:20] Speaker 2: Johnson's a real sharp guy. Ben Johnson. I think New
[34:25] Speaker 2: Listen it's not named the Windy City because of the win.
[34:29] Speaker 2: That's because of politicians years ago. Nonetheless, and Baltimore's always
[34:33] Speaker 2: done this, and New England did this. Don't worry too
[34:38] Speaker 2: much about deep threats. They went and got a center,
[34:40] Speaker 2: two guards, and a tight end and a slot receiver.
[34:44] Speaker 2: And why those guys can operate under sixteen yards? Now,
[34:50] Speaker 2: Caleb has a power arm. But even if you have
[34:52] Speaker 2: a power arm Saturday, it may not matter. And I
[34:56] Speaker 2: think what one of the quiet pieces of Ben Johnson,
[34:59] Speaker 2: unst dated pieces of Ben Johnson's brilliance. He built this
[35:03] Speaker 2: team to play in crappy weather. This is an excellent
[35:07] Speaker 2: crappy weather team. For the record, so is Philadelphia Saquon Barkley,
[35:12] Speaker 2: good tight ends, excellent O line. So Seattle, by the way,
[35:17] Speaker 2: Darnald big arm. They went and drafted a tight end,
[35:20] Speaker 2: two running backs, really only one receiver. So I think,
[35:23] Speaker 2: what makes you you know we always think of Green Bay.
[35:27] Speaker 2: I mean Green BAYO is far of big arm, Aaron
[35:29] Speaker 2: big arm, Love big arm, Flacco big arm, Lamar not
[35:33] Speaker 2: so much Mahomes big arm. I think Chicago is if
[35:38] Speaker 2: the weather is lousy for the next three weeks. I
[35:42] Speaker 2: think the Bears are completely built for you. For the record,
[35:45] Speaker 2: Detroit wasn't where Ben was at because Gof's not good
[35:48] Speaker 2: in that weather, but they were they were indoors. So
[35:51] Speaker 2: I always feel like when golf goes outside, the odds change.
[35:55] Speaker 2: So I know a lot of people go back and forth,
[35:58] Speaker 2: but I in the last twelve hours, I'm like big Jacksonville,
[36:01] Speaker 2: Big Chicago, and I do like Mike Tomlin Monday now
[36:06] Speaker 2: that DK Metcalf comes back. So those are the three
[36:09] Speaker 2: I feel strongest about. Do you have two to three
[36:12] Speaker 2: that you really feel most strongly about?
[36:15] Speaker 1: Well, so one that you didn't mention is my favorite,
[36:18] Speaker 1: and it's Chargers plus three and a half. Wow, I think, yeah,
[36:23] Speaker 1: so you and j Mack love that. So I don't
[36:26] Speaker 1: know if I love that. No, Like, obviously three in
[36:33] Speaker 1: the hook is a big deal. Like it's obviously a
[36:36] Speaker 1: very important number in the gambling space, So that is
[36:38] Speaker 1: a piece of it. I think Jacksonville wanted New England
[36:44] Speaker 1: because they know, Okay, two of our most expensive players
[36:49] Speaker 1: and two of our best players Alton Slater, are out
[36:52] Speaker 1: for the year. You take two of the four highest
[36:55] Speaker 1: paid players off any team, it's going to decimate him. Yes,
[36:58] Speaker 1: Now you say they play the same position and their
[37:03] Speaker 1: job is to protect your most expensive and important player,
[37:06] Speaker 1: and it's a death blow, like anyone who has been
[37:09] Speaker 1: hit the number of times that Herbert has been hit,
[37:13] Speaker 1: who has made the playoffs in the last thirty years,
[37:16] Speaker 1: They've all lost in the wildcard round, Like it is
[37:19] Speaker 1: supposed to be a fatal flaw of a team if
[37:22] Speaker 1: you can't stop your quarterback from getting hit. Well, New
[37:27] Speaker 1: England's defense is not good. They're statistically okay in some areas,
[37:33] Speaker 1: but they haven't played anybody, and when you dig into
[37:36] Speaker 1: it just a little bit, like good quarterbacks have been
[37:39] Speaker 1: efficient against them and have at least moved the ball,
[37:42] Speaker 1: and their pass rush numbers are not good. Now a
[37:45] Speaker 1: lot of that is, you know, they don't even really
[37:48] Speaker 1: need to. They're not playing from behind, they're not gearing
[37:51] Speaker 1: up and going after it. There's some prevent stuff. There's
[37:53] Speaker 1: been a lot of blowouts. Sure, I'll concede that. But
[37:56] Speaker 1: I think Denver is a worst matchup for the Chargers.
[38:00] Speaker 1: I think Houston is a worst matchup.
[38:02] Speaker 2: For Houston's a bad matchup.
[38:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Denver's pass rush almost beat the eighty
[38:08] Speaker 1: four Bears record, right, I mean the Chargers beat them
[38:13] Speaker 1: in a twenty three to twenty game where Herbert was
[38:15] Speaker 1: incredible but he got hit and abused and sacked and
[38:18] Speaker 1: like he was. They were lucky to win that game.
[38:22] Speaker 1: But I just think that they looked at it and
[38:23] Speaker 1: they said, we'll rest our guys in week eighteen, and
[38:27] Speaker 1: we'll play a team that really hasn't played much of
[38:30] Speaker 1: anybody this year and will run on them, and we'll
[38:34] Speaker 1: protect Justin and Justin Herbert won't be staring at the
[38:37] Speaker 1: ceiling the whole game because their pass rush isn't great.
[38:40] Speaker 1: So I just I think New England having the easiest
[38:43] Speaker 1: schedule of any team since the ninety nine Rams is something,
[38:47] Speaker 1: and I think their pass rush not being very good
[38:50] Speaker 1: is something. And I think Herbert, like you do, is
[38:53] Speaker 1: a superstar. So I really like them to I think
[38:57] Speaker 1: they're gonna win the game, but I'll certainly take them
[38:59] Speaker 1: plus three and a half.
[39:00] Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the Lamar Jackson thing.
[39:03] Speaker 2: So listen, eighteen years is a long time to be
[39:06] Speaker 2: a CEO of a company like that's just a long time.
[39:09] Speaker 2: And the Harballs are They're intense, like intense personalities. Jim
[39:15] Speaker 2: and John I could see six eight years in and
[39:18] Speaker 2: San Francisco. You know, Jim was wearing people out and
[39:20] Speaker 2: Stanford he did, and I think this Jim is much
[39:23] Speaker 2: more chill. Maybe the Harballs need to get to sixty
[39:25] Speaker 2: and John Harball has never been quite as intense. But
[39:28] Speaker 2: I think John'll go win somewhere and Lamar will win.
[39:32] Speaker 2: But it is interesting with Lamar because I was saying
[39:36] Speaker 2: this today. They sat down with a meeting, and I
[39:40] Speaker 2: don't think the intent was to run John Harbaugh out.
[39:43] Speaker 2: But if you're John Harbaugh, you're like, Okay, listen, I
[39:46] Speaker 2: was eight and four in the playoffs pre Lamar. I'm
[39:48] Speaker 2: three and six with him. He's missed a full season
[39:51] Speaker 2: of games. I don't know what he actually is right
[39:55] Speaker 2: now because it's not what it used to be. And
[39:58] Speaker 2: Cam Newton's last Pro Bowl was at twenty like, but
[40:03] Speaker 2: Lamar is so wildly worshiped and loved in Baltimore. He's
[40:08] Speaker 2: unmovable and that and by the way, Mahomes is Alan
[40:11] Speaker 2: is Lamar is. You could move almost every quarterback and
[40:15] Speaker 2: I'm serious, there's about I mean, now, Herbert in LA
[40:18] Speaker 2: would be tough, but the truth is La is so chill,
[40:22] Speaker 2: you know. But I mean, like Lamar is on a
[40:24] Speaker 2: short list of you just can't move them. But my
[40:28] Speaker 2: point is what what what do you think next year?
[40:36] Speaker 2: Because remember, hyper athletic quarterbacks age faster. That's not disputable.
[40:41] Speaker 2: Old guys, Aaron, Stafford, Brady, don't you can play into
[40:45] Speaker 2: your fort I thought Aaron second half last week was
[40:47] Speaker 2: the best he's played in three years. I thought he
[40:49] Speaker 2: was outstanding. What do you think Lamar is going forward?
[40:54] Speaker 2: Because I think deep down he would never say it publicly,
[40:58] Speaker 2: but Lamar didn't throw out in all of Ranch when
[41:00] Speaker 2: he got fired, and that story got leaked to the
[41:05] Speaker 2: writer in Baltimore, and it didn't come from Lamar's side.
[41:08] Speaker 2: And my take is the untold story is Harbough asked
[41:13] Speaker 2: some questions about Lamar, like what are we going Ford?
[41:16] Speaker 2: He's got a seventy four million dollar capt My ask
[41:18] Speaker 2: to you is next year and beyond. Do you believe
[41:22] Speaker 2: Lamar is what we saw this year, a slower, more tackleable,
[41:27] Speaker 2: more defendable version of what he was three years ago.
[41:31] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, he arguably should have won MVP
[41:34] Speaker 1: last year. You know, like it was a very close
[41:37] Speaker 1: MVP race with him and Josh Allen last year. So
[41:39] Speaker 1: we're not that far removed from Lamar. You know, he
[41:42] Speaker 1: was what forty one touchdowns and four picks or something stupid.
[41:45] Speaker 2: But again, athletic quarterbacks age fast. No, no, absolutely, Ben
[41:50] Speaker 2: just fell off a cliff.
[41:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I would not want to be tied to
[41:57] Speaker 1: Lamar for his thirties. But like he turned twenty nine today,
[42:03] Speaker 1: I think that it's totally reasonable to say his age
[42:06] Speaker 1: twenty nine, thirty thirty one thirty two seasons that you'd
[42:10] Speaker 1: be thrilled and could win a Super Bowl in two
[42:14] Speaker 1: of those four years, you know, like it. And so
[42:17] Speaker 1: because he has gotten better as a passer, I think
[42:20] Speaker 1: his what the next coach's biggest challenge is going to
[42:24] Speaker 1: be is figuring out how much of his improvement as
[42:29] Speaker 1: a passer was because teams had to defend against him
[42:33] Speaker 1: as a runner and Mike just like because like his
[42:36] Speaker 1: mobility makes you have to put in spies and keep
[42:39] Speaker 1: eyes on the quarterback and so that it makes it
[42:41] Speaker 1: easier to pass the football. He doesn't just drop back
[42:44] Speaker 1: and pass it like Matt Stafford, and he never will.
[42:47] Speaker 1: And so as that athleticism wanes, how much is his
[42:49] Speaker 1: passing efficiency going to wane? And my guess is a
[42:52] Speaker 1: significant amount. Ye Like, well, I don't think Lamar is
[42:55] Speaker 1: going to be. You know, I don't think he's gonna
[42:58] Speaker 1: win another MVP award, and I do think that he
[43:00] Speaker 1: will be good enough in the short term to be
[43:04] Speaker 1: competitive because of how talented that roster is and the
[43:07] Speaker 1: other like, because I think also what you're asking is, like,
[43:10] Speaker 1: how attractive is the Baltimore job. It's a great organization.
[43:14] Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's I think it's the best job
[43:17] Speaker 2: opening in for since since green Bay. But green Bay
[43:21] Speaker 2: doesn't have an owner and they've got their own obstacles
[43:23] Speaker 2: and things to deal with. I mean, green Bay third
[43:27] Speaker 2: year in a row, youngest team, why they don't sign
[43:28] Speaker 2: free agents much. So, right, Baltimore's as good a job
[43:32] Speaker 2: as that's been opening years.
[43:34] Speaker 1: I agree with you, But like if you are skeptical
[43:37] Speaker 1: of what Lamar is gonna be, and you're gonna have
[43:39] Speaker 1: to pay him seventy million dollars.
[43:40] Speaker 2: So I'm not skeptical. I think you get two more
[43:43] Speaker 2: really really high end years. But my guess is the
[43:47] Speaker 2: Lamar that was freakishly hard to corner, I don't think
[43:54] Speaker 2: we'll see that. I think we'll see highly effective eleven
[43:57] Speaker 2: and six can win the division. But I do think
[44:03] Speaker 2: I think it's a reasonable take that twenty nine years
[44:06] Speaker 2: old for his stylistically, I think he's got two really
[44:10] Speaker 2: good years left. I wouldn't bet on four. I think
[44:13] Speaker 2: at thirty three is not the same player.
[44:15] Speaker 1: I think, you know, I agree with that, and I said,
[44:17] Speaker 1: like two of the next four because you know, maybe
[44:21] Speaker 1: he hurts his back next year or whatever. But I
[44:23] Speaker 1: think I also think that athletes now they're just better, yeah, right,
[44:28] Speaker 1: And so I think we have to kind of like
[44:30] Speaker 1: it used to be, like running backs after twenty seven,
[44:32] Speaker 1: I don't want those guys now. Derrick Henry is still
[44:35] Speaker 1: a top six back in the NFL. You know. Now
[44:37] Speaker 1: he's an Adrian Peterson cyborg. But like Christian McCaffrey used to,
[44:42] Speaker 1: just higher than it's ever been. Like, we have to
[44:44] Speaker 1: like adjust it a little bit, like because Cam Newton
[44:49] Speaker 1: took hits in a way that Lamar doesn't take hits
[44:53] Speaker 1: right now, bigger athlete, but he was one yard touchdowns
[44:58] Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger low his shoulder. That's not what Lamar is.
[45:02] Speaker 2: Like.
[45:02] Speaker 1: You can still be just if you are a good
[45:04] Speaker 1: escape artist, even if you're not running to scramble, just
[45:07] Speaker 1: like running to evade the pressure, extend the plays. You
[45:10] Speaker 1: can still be effective. So yeah, two of the next
[45:12] Speaker 1: four years, I think you have a top ten quarterback
[45:16] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, and you can you can win a Super
[45:19] Speaker 1: Bowl with that, and then when you add in all
[45:21] Speaker 1: the other talent there, how well they draft. What coach
[45:24] Speaker 1: Manjini keeps talking about though, is he's like, what people
[45:26] Speaker 1: underrate is when you're there for eighteen years, it's not
[45:30] Speaker 1: like a coach who was there for three and gets fired.
[45:34] Speaker 1: He's like, you're you're either just doing more of what
[45:38] Speaker 1: John Harball was doing or you're changing everything. But the
[45:42] Speaker 1: pr was how Harball wanted it, the food was how
[45:45] Speaker 1: Harball wanted it, the training staff, all those things. So
[45:49] Speaker 1: I'm fascinated into, like the profile of who the next
[45:52] Speaker 1: coach of the Ravens is, Like, can it be a
[45:55] Speaker 1: first time head coach?
[45:56] Speaker 2: No I said this today. They don't need their culture change.
[45:59] Speaker 2: They have one of the best cultures. They need somebody
[46:01] Speaker 2: that works with Lamar as he ages Stefanski. Yeah, the
[46:06] Speaker 2: New York Giants need a Vabel, they need a culture changer.
[46:17] Speaker 2: This will probably go viral so years ago I forget
[46:22] Speaker 2: who was doing this, but somebody ranked the best thirty
[46:24] Speaker 2: dunks of all time, and they eliminated the Vince Carter
[46:29] Speaker 2: jumping over the Chinese national team center. So we're gonna
[46:34] Speaker 2: take that one out because it automatically wins. You jumped
[46:37] Speaker 2: over a seven foot man, and so somebody took that
[46:41] Speaker 2: out and started it. So I'm gonna take Andy Reid
[46:44] Speaker 2: out of this question because he's almost Belichickian. Now it's
[46:48] Speaker 2: sort of understood. It's silly. His resume is better his play.
[46:52] Speaker 2: So let's take Andy Reid out of this and let's
[46:55] Speaker 2: go rank the coaches until we get to Ben Johnson.
[47:02] Speaker 1: Okay, so I would go Max.
[47:04] Speaker 2: So, okay, I'm gonna go McVeigh one.
[47:07] Speaker 1: That's fine. Shanahan too, boy, Jim Harbaugh's good. Jim Harbor's good.
[47:15] Speaker 1: Jim Harbor Jim Jim Harbaugh is Jim Harbor is very good.
[47:19] Speaker 1: And I know, I know you love him.
[47:23] Speaker 2: Okay, here's why Shanahan gets docked for me? Okay, why
[47:27] Speaker 2: doesn't he come? Why is he bad? Second half trailing?
[47:30] Speaker 2: Because he has the best play sheet in the league,
[47:33] Speaker 2: and he gets glued to his play sheet. He has
[47:39] Speaker 2: the best he is that's that that is the most
[47:41] Speaker 2: sophisticated play sheet in the league, and the best play caller,
[47:44] Speaker 2: but he there are certain things, you know. I always
[47:47] Speaker 2: had my Aaron Rodgers theory. Why does he have so
[47:49] Speaker 2: few come from behind wins in the fourth fewer than
[47:52] Speaker 2: Derek Carr? Why because Aaron's mood changes after a pick
[47:57] Speaker 2: or two. He literally his mood changes, you can see it,
[48:01] Speaker 2: his body language changes. He has a bizarre few come
[48:06] Speaker 2: from behind wins. He I always said, he's not a
[48:09] Speaker 2: Foxhole guy. He is a baller but a little bit
[48:12] Speaker 2: of a Baylor.
[48:13] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but okay, I but I love this, so
[48:17] Speaker 1: I want to just like stay on it. Like the
[48:20] Speaker 1: guy went to a super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo and
[48:23] Speaker 1: rock Party. I feel like it's like that's the only
[48:26] Speaker 1: argument I need. Like Kyle Shanahan, if you can go
[48:29] Speaker 1: to a super Bowl with the last pick in the draft.
[48:33] Speaker 2: Okay, so you're putting him third, you're putting him second.
[48:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but okay, fine, okay, but my but my thing. Okay,
[48:40] Speaker 1: So now Harbaugh, Harbor wins everywhere he goes everywhere, is
[48:46] Speaker 1: a great culture guy. I don't know, man, I don't know.
[48:55] Speaker 1: Like Ben Johnson calls the plays, well, yeah, but can.
[48:59] Speaker 2: We can we have him go through a full season before.
[49:03] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like Jim Harbaugh runs a little bit
[49:07] Speaker 1: too much for my liking, Like he kicks field goals
[49:09] Speaker 1: a little too often for my liking. Okay, I'm just
[49:12] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like there's it's just it's a little
[49:16] Speaker 1: All I'm saying is we've reached the point of the list.
[49:22] Speaker 1: We've reached the point of the list where you're gonna
[49:24] Speaker 1: at least get me to start making some arguments for
[49:28] Speaker 1: my guys.
[49:28] Speaker 2: Okay, that's okay. So I'm like McVeigh, Harbaugh, Shanahan's lack
[49:34] Speaker 2: of second half comebacks bothers me. Shanahan third, Mike Rabel, four,
[49:39] Speaker 2: Sean Payton, I would probably I think Peyton's so good.
[49:44] Speaker 2: And by the way, it's all inches here to me,
[49:46] Speaker 2: like I it's inches, it's not feet.
[49:49] Speaker 1: And so I have a question about Mike Rabel. Okay,
[49:51] Speaker 1: I'm a question about Mike Rabel. He wins in Tennessee.
[49:57] Speaker 2: With that political bad ownership.
[50:00] Speaker 1: With with with Prime Derrick Henry and AJ Brown, yeah, and
[50:05] Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. I okay, but they had one great year
[50:11] Speaker 1: and it ended poorly, and yes there was politicking and
[50:14] Speaker 1: all of that he is clearly a smart coach. He
[50:17] Speaker 1: is clearly you know, he plays on the edges like Belichick,
[50:21] Speaker 1: Like he knows the rules backwards and forwards, which I
[50:23] Speaker 1: really respect. Josh McDaniels is a top offensive coordinator. Like
[50:29] Speaker 1: how lucky is that? And maybe it's not luck, it's
[50:31] Speaker 1: relationship and Patriots and all that stuff, but like he
[50:34] Speaker 1: has the best offensive coordinator situation you can have, because
[50:38] Speaker 1: it seems like Josh McDaniels can't be a head coach,
[50:41] Speaker 1: right but he's clearly Like if we were going to
[50:43] Speaker 1: say best play callers in the game, and again we're
[50:47] Speaker 1: removing Andy Reid, like Josh McDaniels is probably in the
[50:49] Speaker 1: top five, right Like he Josh McDaniels is. I think he's.
[50:54] Speaker 2: I think he's probably he and Brian Floores are the
[50:56] Speaker 2: best coordinators in the game right now.
[50:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so, just like you gave him an incredible
[51:01] Speaker 1: quarterback and an incredible play caller, and an incredible play caller,
[51:04] Speaker 1: won't leave because he can't be a head coach. I
[51:06] Speaker 1: just I'll just tell you this right now. I wouldn't
[51:09] Speaker 1: trade Ben Johnson for Mike Rabel. Okay, that one wouldn't
[51:12] Speaker 1: be hard.
[51:12] Speaker 2: Okay, so the difference between you and I. I get
[51:16] Speaker 2: to seven and I'm willing to consider Ben Johnson, So
[51:19] Speaker 2: I go McVeigh, Jim Harbaughs, Shanahan, Peyton Vrabel, and Mike McDonald.
[51:25] Speaker 2: Mike McDonald took over. I think he's I think he's
[51:28] Speaker 2: McVeigh on the defensive side. So I get to seven,
[51:33] Speaker 2: and I could argue, I like Demiko Ryans, but I
[51:36] Speaker 2: do prefer offense over defense. I would go Ben Johnson
[51:40] Speaker 2: seven and then Demko Ryans eight, and then I'd probably
[51:44] Speaker 2: go I mean, we have to put Mike Tomlin in
[51:46] Speaker 2: there because goddamn one is division again.
[51:49] Speaker 1: It's so I would the who am I missing?
[51:54] Speaker 2: Now?
[51:54] Speaker 1: Listen, you know some people would say Matt Lafleur, he's good.
[52:01] Speaker 1: I would good. I would take I would take Ben
[52:03] Speaker 1: Johnson over him. Listen, I think I think not. It's
[52:07] Speaker 1: very early, but well, Liam Cohen is doing and Jacksonville's very,
[52:11] Speaker 1: very impressive.
[52:11] Speaker 2: I would like him to finish the season.
[52:13] Speaker 1: But I agree. Yeah, I'm just saying if I'm going
[52:15] Speaker 1: to have Ben Johnson up there, like, because I'm giving
[52:18] Speaker 1: Liam Cohen a lot of credit for what Baker did
[52:21] Speaker 1: you know? So like that.
[52:22] Speaker 2: Here's what's funny. Sean McDermott has a higher winning percentage
[52:25] Speaker 2: than Andy Reid and Belichick. I'm at nine and I
[52:27] Speaker 2: don't have Sean McDermott. That tells you the depth and coaching.
[52:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen and Nick Sirianni has like the highest
[52:34] Speaker 1: win percentage ever and everyone's like, yeah, but it's a
[52:36] Speaker 1: super team, so like we can we can parse some
[52:38] Speaker 1: stuff here. Sean Payton's great. I would take Ben Johnson
[52:41] Speaker 1: because of age, like I think you have him for longer.
[52:46] Speaker 1: McDonald is incredible. McDonell. And what the Seahawks did in
[52:52] Speaker 1: that Week eighteen game against the Niners, Oh, it.
[52:54] Speaker 2: Was one of the more It's amazing it was only
[52:56] Speaker 2: thirteen to three because it felt thirty to three. That
[53:00] Speaker 2: is the knock I have on Seattle is that they
[53:03] Speaker 2: physically dominate teams. And in the last six weeks, you're like,
[53:08] Speaker 2: I feel like you left fourteen points on the yeah
[53:11] Speaker 2: on the floor.
[53:13] Speaker 1: Yeah that I mean that JSN is forty percent of
[53:16] Speaker 1: their offense, and you fully trust their court, Like, I
[53:18] Speaker 1: mean they clearly sometimes call plays to hide Donald making mistakes.
[53:23] Speaker 1: They'll like snap throw like one read throws like they'll
[53:28] Speaker 1: like roll them out left and look back right and
[53:29] Speaker 1: there's one and it's like throw it to him or
[53:31] Speaker 1: throw it away. So they they they they clearly don't
[53:35] Speaker 1: fully trust Donald, even though they say everything publicly, like
[53:37] Speaker 1: their actions in their play calling when he gets a
[53:40] Speaker 1: little shakey suggested. But yeah, McDonald doing that. I mean,
[53:44] Speaker 1: we looked it up on the show. Fewest yards ever
[53:49] Speaker 1: for a Kyle Shanahan offense since he'd been the head
[53:52] Speaker 1: coach in San Francisco, fewest rushing yards for McCaffrey since
[53:56] Speaker 1: he got with Shanahan, and tied for the fewest points
[54:00] Speaker 1: for Shanahan since he had been in San Francisco since
[54:02] Speaker 1: his first game. Shanahan's first game in San Francisco in
[54:06] Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, they scored three points and then they held
[54:09] Speaker 1: him to three points when they had been the number
[54:11] Speaker 1: one offense in football since week eleven when Purdy came back,
[54:15] Speaker 1: they were averaging thirty five. The game they play a
[54:17] Speaker 1: must win game against the division opponent they know, and
[54:19] Speaker 1: they get held to one hundred and seventy four yards
[54:21] Speaker 1: and three points. So, yeah, McDonald is excellent. Like to me,
[54:27] Speaker 1: the coach of the Year this year, is fascinating Vrabel,
[54:30] Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen, McDonald's Shanahan with all the injuries,
[54:34] Speaker 1: there's you know, Peyton obviously getting the one seed. There's
[54:36] Speaker 1: big names, there's history. Guys McDonald's probably I think he
[54:41] Speaker 1: deserves it this year and that's over my guy, Ben Johnson.
[54:46] Speaker 1: The volume

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