# Prime Cuts - Lane Kiffin To LSU, Bears Take #1 Seed In NFC, The Government’s Secret UFO Retrieval Program

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 6 Dec 2025, 1 h 00 min.

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Colin is joined by John Middlekauff to break down all the Week 13 NFL action, then Colin is joined by Dan Farah, the producer and director of the new documentary Age of Disclosure which sheds light on a secretive government program to retrieve and reverse engineer UFO’s/UAP’s Timeline: 0:00 Introduction 01:00 Lane Kiffin takes job at LSU 11:00 Bills vs Steelers 22:00 Bears take #1 seed in NFC 27:00 Eagles offensive struggles 31:00 49ers win despite rash of injuries 38:45 Which military base contact stood out the most to you? 39:45 UAPs show up at bases and nuclear weapons sites 40:45 Football field sized craft appeared at Vandenberg Air Force Base 42:45 Having an experience seeing a UAP will change you forever 43:30 Colin’s experience seeing a UFO when he was younger 44:45 People interviewed who had contact have had negative physical effects 45:30 Getting too close to this technology has caused sickness and cancer 47:15 The “bubble” theory of how the UAP’s work 48:30 The craft are warping space time around themselves 49:30 Inside the bubble the craft aren’t impacted by physics or the environment 50:30 The bubble is why we can’t get good photos of the craft 51:00 This technology is the solution to energy crisis and interstellar travel 53:15 Has there been any pushback to Age of Disclosure? (CUT BAD ACTORS LINE) 55:30 Credible people with stellar resumes put their names/reputations on the line 57:00 There’s an enormous amount of UAP activity underneath the ocean 57:30 The ocean is the easiest place to hide from humanity 58:45 UFO became UAP because of the activity underwater All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:43] Speaker 1: weird doing the Sunday Show after Thanksgiving because there's like
[0:47] Speaker 1: thirty two topics and nobody really cares about discussing rams Panthers.
[0:54] Speaker 2: Do they.
[0:57] Speaker 1: Not really listen? I think we've Let's just address a
[1:02] Speaker 1: massive college football story that you and I care about.
[1:06] Speaker 1: So college football, what you saw Lane Kiffin do feels
[1:11] Speaker 1: a little different now because of the College Football Playoff.
[1:13] Speaker 1: You used to leave a program, you know, and they
[1:15] Speaker 1: were going to a bowl game. They weren't playing for
[1:17] Speaker 1: a national championship. And I don't think Ole Miss was
[1:20] Speaker 1: going to win a Natty. But it wouldn't have shocked
[1:22] Speaker 1: me with Lane Kiffen if they won two or three
[1:25] Speaker 1: games and finished in the top two or three. So
[1:28] Speaker 1: it does feel a little gross, But big picture is
[1:34] Speaker 1: if you think about, if you really think about what happened,
[1:37] Speaker 1: the NCUBA four or five years ago was rigid, and
[1:43] Speaker 1: you went from that, the rigidity of the NCUBLEA to
[1:46] Speaker 1: pure unadulterated HGH infused capitalism and there's no boundaries, and
[1:53] Speaker 1: it's the wild wild West, just like the wild Wild
[1:56] Speaker 1: West in the eighteen hundreds you had territorial governors and
[2:00] Speaker 1: commissioners of conferences. But everybody's in their own self interest.
[2:03] Speaker 1: And so listen, this is harbaughto Michigan, Lane Kiffn to LSU.
[2:08] Speaker 1: It's massive, it'll be controversial, it'll be great for the sport,
[2:12] Speaker 1: and one of the little guys gets burned. I don't
[2:16] Speaker 1: lose sleep on this stuff because I've been watching it
[2:18] Speaker 1: my entire life. But wasn't this bound to happen if
[2:20] Speaker 1: you hired Kiffin? Yeah?
[2:22] Speaker 3: I just think there's no easy way to leave a
[2:24] Speaker 3: school anymore, you know. I mean these schools now are
[2:27] Speaker 3: paying fifty million dollars for a guy to go away
[2:30] Speaker 3: in the middle of October, so you have lsu out
[2:32] Speaker 3: to poach your coach for the last month and a half.
[2:35] Speaker 3: That's abnormal. You know, these buyouts got so extreme. Were
[2:39] Speaker 3: like you and I kept saying, well, these guys are safe.
[2:42] Speaker 3: Turns out they're not. They're getting bought out left and right.
[2:46] Speaker 3: I also think part of the problem for Lane is
[2:49] Speaker 3: he's a controversial and polarizing figure, and he's really done
[2:53] Speaker 3: a lot to change his image, right to the documentary
[2:55] Speaker 3: that he did. You just look at him physically, what
[2:57] Speaker 3: do you think he's lost thirty pounds he's politically, he's
[3:02] Speaker 3: talked a big game how this place changed his life,
[3:05] Speaker 3: gets them into the playoffs, and then leaves them for
[3:08] Speaker 3: essentially their big brother, who. I think it's hard. I
[3:10] Speaker 3: understand where their fans are mad, but like I understand
[3:13] Speaker 3: both sides. I just think these are these things are ugly.
[3:16] Speaker 3: It's pretty rare. Remember a couple of years ago when
[3:18] Speaker 3: Sabin retired right after the National Championship Game and Debor
[3:22] Speaker 3: just left Washington and it was a pretty seamless you know,
[3:25] Speaker 3: from Washington Alabama because everyone was done. You're seeing, you know,
[3:29] Speaker 3: this cycle all these Penn State doesn't even have a
[3:32] Speaker 3: coach that we can argue whether they are a top
[3:35] Speaker 3: ten five I don't know where they land, but they
[3:37] Speaker 3: could easily steal a guy in the next couple days,
[3:40] Speaker 3: and that could be weird. Who's to say that it's
[3:41] Speaker 3: not a top fifteen program that they steal a guy from.
[3:44] Speaker 3: So it's just it's a lot different in the NFL.
[3:47] Speaker 3: Like you said, there are regulations, there are rules. The
[3:49] Speaker 3: New York Giants can't steal Sean McVeigh, but LSU can
[3:53] Speaker 3: steal Lane Kiffin. Honestly, it looked like kind of easily.
[3:55] Speaker 1: Well yeah, and Rick Patino noted this on social media.
[3:59] Speaker 1: He said, it's a calendar Is that.
[4:00] Speaker 3: Actually, Rick Patino? I almost didn't even believe. I thought
[4:03] Speaker 3: it was like a fake account. I didn't realize it's
[4:05] Speaker 3: actually Rick.
[4:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, And he said it's a calendar issue. He goes,
[4:08] Speaker 1: I wouldn't build my team to be a number one
[4:10] Speaker 1: seed with a chance to win national championship and you know,
[4:14] Speaker 1: a day before the tournament March madness bail. He said,
[4:18] Speaker 1: you couldn't do that. It's a calendar issue, and college
[4:22] Speaker 1: football allows it for years and years. I was on
[4:24] Speaker 1: my radio show on TV show John, I'm sure at
[4:27] Speaker 1: least once you heard me say this, it's an eight
[4:29] Speaker 1: billion dollar sport with no CEO. It was boxing like
[4:34] Speaker 1: of course, every boxer was out for itself and every promoter,
[4:37] Speaker 1: Bob Aerm and Don King ran boxing, the SEC commissioner
[4:41] Speaker 1: ran the sport. And then you have ESPN and Fox saying, guys,
[4:47] Speaker 1: it's an eight billion dollar industry. We're going to make
[4:49] Speaker 1: this more like pro football. We're going to have like
[4:50] Speaker 1: an AFC and NFC, the SEC in the big ten.
[4:53] Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't. If you are a college
[4:57] Speaker 1: football program and you hire Lane Kiffen and you don't
[5:01] Speaker 1: understand the reality of your calendar and understanding this can happen,
[5:07] Speaker 1: then you're naive. And I can feel for an Ole
[5:10] Speaker 1: mis fan, but this is a calendar issue. And I
[5:14] Speaker 1: said last week, aggressive men, if Wall Street did not
[5:18] Speaker 1: have a regulatory board, you would see if you didn't
[5:24] Speaker 1: have regulations at companies, if we didn't have an IRS,
[5:29] Speaker 1: what do you think it would be like for aggressive
[5:31] Speaker 1: men in this country? They would be taking big swings
[5:33] Speaker 1: and doing something, doing many things that felt skeevy and unethical.
[5:38] Speaker 1: So until college football in the NCAA put up boundaries.
[5:42] Speaker 1: I mean we put up some boundaries in the portal.
[5:44] Speaker 1: We put up some boundaries in NIL. There's no boundaries
[5:47] Speaker 1: on coaches leaving.
[5:49] Speaker 3: I think what people have a problem with, you know,
[5:52] Speaker 3: it's mainly the ole miss Fans's not like LSU fans
[5:55] Speaker 3: care at all. They're a static is that we have
[5:58] Speaker 3: this team who he has a chance to win a
[6:00] Speaker 3: national championship. I don't necessarily agree. They don't play any defense,
[6:04] Speaker 3: but then this guy kind of plays us. It plays
[6:08] Speaker 3: us would be strong. But as he says in this
[6:10] Speaker 3: outgoing statement that the ad wouldn't let him coach, Well, yeah, Lane,
[6:15] Speaker 3: no school worth their salt that has any respect LSU, Alabama, Georgia,
[6:20] Speaker 3: Ohio State, Texas. It's very understandable why they wouldn't let
[6:24] Speaker 3: you coach. But then you steal Charlie Weiss's kid, who's
[6:28] Speaker 3: with Lane the offensive mastermind. Well this is an offensive
[6:31] Speaker 3: juggernaut as a program right going into this playoffs. Well
[6:35] Speaker 3: I remove Lane and I remove Charlie Weiss. If I
[6:38] Speaker 3: am not like, if I could remove a little emotion
[6:41] Speaker 3: and take a deep breath, I'd go we have no
[6:42] Speaker 3: chance in the playoffs, especially if we get a decent matchup,
[6:46] Speaker 3: because they're going to get dropped in the playoffs. You
[6:48] Speaker 3: are ruining our dream season. I mean it's you know,
[6:50] Speaker 3: in college more than the pros. Right, a bad program
[6:54] Speaker 3: in the NFL, if they get the right quarterback, the
[6:56] Speaker 3: right coach, they can immediately be good. The Rams are
[6:59] Speaker 3: a clown show. They getigh, look at them the last
[7:01] Speaker 3: ten years. Right in college, you get the right coach,
[7:05] Speaker 3: you gotta strike while of the irons hot because that
[7:07] Speaker 3: guy's probably gonna leave. But now, I think, you know,
[7:09] Speaker 3: fans would say, well, what the hell's the difference. We're
[7:12] Speaker 3: paying these players, we're giving you money for the coaches,
[7:15] Speaker 3: we're doing everything ls you tried to do, and we're
[7:17] Speaker 3: kicking their ass every year. We beat Georgia last year.
[7:20] Speaker 3: Why do you need to go? And I do think
[7:21] Speaker 3: that's a fair argument that we're gonna learn. Is there
[7:24] Speaker 3: a big difference? And I know you said about I
[7:26] Speaker 3: think you know Lane would probably.
[7:27] Speaker 4: Agree with you.
[7:27] Speaker 3: It's the defensive guys. Like I can get the offensive
[7:30] Speaker 3: guys to come. But for every Walter Nolan that I
[7:32] Speaker 3: got last year, it's gonna be very hit or miss.
[7:34] Speaker 3: For if I'm at LSU, if I'm at Georgia finmat
[7:36] Speaker 3: Ohio State, I could get five or six of those guys.
[7:40] Speaker 3: And then I think the other area that people have
[7:41] Speaker 3: a hard time with is like Nick Saban. You know, Nick,
[7:45] Speaker 3: you fired Lane for causing problems inside your program and
[7:49] Speaker 3: it does feel very and listen, I have a lot
[7:51] Speaker 3: of respect for Jimmy Sexton created this business for nothing
[7:54] Speaker 3: and became what he became. It's not his fault that
[7:57] Speaker 3: academia struggles with negotiating with these guys, and it's a
[8:00] Speaker 3: it's a one sided fight, but it clearly feels we're
[8:03] Speaker 3: in the NFL, there's a lot of pushback if you
[8:06] Speaker 3: want to negotiate with Howie or you want to negotiate
[8:08] Speaker 3: with the forty nine, like, it's not easy. And with
[8:10] Speaker 3: these schools, it just seems like one couple guys have
[8:13] Speaker 3: all this juice and are just playing puppet master within
[8:16] Speaker 3: the in the sport. And that gets back to what
[8:18] Speaker 3: you said, there's no rules, there's no regulations.
[8:21] Speaker 1: Bob and Don King take over the business.
[8:24] Speaker 3: They's happened because UFC passed them right, because they got
[8:28] Speaker 3: a data white. Well, I think we're still a while
[8:30] Speaker 3: a while away from college football. Kind of having that
[8:32] Speaker 3: structure though, right, I mean, it doesn't feel like it's
[8:35] Speaker 3: tomorrow coming in. No.
[8:36] Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if you look at pre Kiffen, Matt
[8:40] Speaker 1: Luke ed or Jeron Houston Nutt, Hugh Freeze cheated like
[8:44] Speaker 1: a you know what. The bottom line, it was a losing,
[8:47] Speaker 1: irrelevant program. If they knew Kiffen was going to burn them,
[8:52] Speaker 1: if they knew it going in, then he was going
[8:54] Speaker 1: to do this. They'd still take fifty five and nineteen
[8:57] Speaker 1: relevance and the number one scoring offense country by a
[9:01] Speaker 1: wide margin. They would have signed up for it today.
[9:05] Speaker 1: So I don't have any their last SEC titles nineteen
[9:09] Speaker 1: sixty three. It's an irrelevant program. And Lane may I
[9:13] Speaker 1: watched four miss games the last four this year for
[9:18] Speaker 1: last year. Maybe I'd watched the Egg Bowl every year
[9:23] Speaker 1: for a half. Like, I'm sorry, you were an irrelevant program.
[9:26] Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze cheated to make you sort of interesting. But
[9:30] Speaker 1: Nick Saban said he stopped recruiting his last couple of
[9:33] Speaker 1: years in Mississippi because Hugh Freeze was cheating so bad.
[9:36] Speaker 1: Players were getting paid at the end near signing day,
[9:39] Speaker 1: and they were losing him so I mean, you would
[9:41] Speaker 1: have signed up for fifty five and nineteen when you
[9:44] Speaker 1: had the coaching opening if you knew he was If
[9:47] Speaker 1: I said number one offense, top five program, fifty five
[9:52] Speaker 1: and nineteen, he'll bail on you, you'd a signed up
[9:56] Speaker 1: for it.
[9:56] Speaker 3: You know, you used to have that statement that the
[9:59] Speaker 3: thing make smart men dumb or women in money. And
[10:03] Speaker 3: I think the hard part is for the program is
[10:05] Speaker 3: that this's not really money.
[10:07] Speaker 1: Right.
[10:07] Speaker 3: Ole miss was paying him ten million, they were willing
[10:09] Speaker 3: to pay him fourteen. It's almost a you know, a
[10:13] Speaker 3: revelation from Lane in his belief that your program simply
[10:17] Speaker 3: isn't as good as LSU, right, And I think that hurts,
[10:20] Speaker 3: and that's where you're getting it really like you're in
[10:22] Speaker 3: the playoffs. But big picture, you know, if I'm the reason,
[10:26] Speaker 3: and historically in college basketball and football, do you lose
[10:30] Speaker 3: the coach, you're in major trouble. Like the guy that's
[10:32] Speaker 3: replacing him. I remember when he was the off or
[10:35] Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, Alabama was not going well as defensive coordinator,
[10:39] Speaker 3: and clearly they were in a desperate situation. But I
[10:43] Speaker 3: think over the next couple of years, relative to what
[10:45] Speaker 3: they've been if Ole Miss was a stock, you'd probably
[10:48] Speaker 3: short them, and you would probably buy stock in LSU
[10:50] Speaker 3: the next couple of years.
[10:51] Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's talk as we do this. It's
[10:55] Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. But Buffalo leads going away against
[11:03] Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Aaron Rodgers got hurt. He got
[11:07] Speaker 1: smoked by Joey Bosa, bloody bridge of his nose left
[11:12] Speaker 1: the game came back. You know, it's funny because Sean
[11:20] Speaker 1: McDermott and Mike Tomlin are both defensive coaches, and I
[11:23] Speaker 1: could make a strong argument that their message has sort
[11:28] Speaker 1: of worn thin, like three points in the first half
[11:30] Speaker 1: for Buffalo making a mistake down near the goal line.
[11:35] Speaker 1: It's like, guys, you got a veteran staff, you got
[11:38] Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback, you got a veteran left tackle. You
[11:41] Speaker 1: can't be making these mistakes. But I do. I look
[11:45] Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh right now, and they have no quarterback for
[11:48] Speaker 1: the future. Aaron looks in cold weather, really old. Aaron's
[11:53] Speaker 1: letting go of that ball John so quickly. I don't
[11:56] Speaker 1: blame him. He doesn't want to get hit. He does
[11:59] Speaker 1: never run game. I thought this was a bad fit.
[12:01] Speaker 1: I said he should go to Minnesota or he should retire.
[12:04] Speaker 1: I never thought, you know, in warm weather early in
[12:06] Speaker 1: the season, but Mike Comlin's teams I haven't won a
[12:10] Speaker 1: playoff game. I could be wrong. Eight plus years. They're
[12:14] Speaker 1: not a viable franchise. They get really bad at the
[12:16] Speaker 1: end of seasons. I don't know. I mean, I Buffalo
[12:22] Speaker 1: just scored. It's going to be now twenty three to seven.
[12:26] Speaker 1: What do you do with McDermott and what do we
[12:28] Speaker 1: do with Comlin?
[12:29] Speaker 3: Well, I think McDermott still. You know, these next whatever
[12:33] Speaker 3: five six games in the playoffs are going to be
[12:35] Speaker 3: huge form. I mean, as of right now, it's going
[12:37] Speaker 3: to be an uphill battle for them, just assuming that
[12:39] Speaker 3: New England wins on Monday Night to win the division.
[12:42] Speaker 3: They were heavy favorites at the beginning of the year,
[12:44] Speaker 3: not just to win their division, they had the best
[12:46] Speaker 3: betting odds with the Ravens to win the Super Bowl.
[12:48] Speaker 3: I mean, they have one of the best players in
[12:49] Speaker 3: the league. You know, I'd say Josh been a little
[12:51] Speaker 3: up and down this year. Part of that, to me's
[12:53] Speaker 3: on the GM and I think when you look at
[12:55] Speaker 3: these two franchises, you know, Brandon Bean for the Bills,
[12:59] Speaker 3: like Coleman. It was inactive the last two games. He
[13:02] Speaker 3: was there essentially their first round pick last year, pick
[13:04] Speaker 3: thirty three, right they traded had.
[13:05] Speaker 1: A touchdown today that help he did?
[13:07] Speaker 3: He did, But I mean it's you're in a position
[13:09] Speaker 3: where you're still like teaching them life lessons a year
[13:11] Speaker 3: and a half in. That's not ideal. I think the Steelers,
[13:14] Speaker 3: I've been texting around the league obviously, Tomlin, I think
[13:18] Speaker 3: it's fair to say you're there seventeen years. Back in
[13:21] Speaker 3: the sixties, they would have said that's a long time,
[13:23] Speaker 3: let let alone modern day the Internet age, so it's unprecedented.
[13:26] Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna see that very often ever again.
[13:29] Speaker 3: But I think their GM in their front office, you know,
[13:32] Speaker 3: it used to be with Kevin Colbert, the Steelers and
[13:35] Speaker 3: going back to the Bill Coward days, just always had
[13:38] Speaker 3: one of the best rosters in the league, right, defensively,
[13:40] Speaker 3: top to bottom. Offensively, they always had multiple piece I
[13:43] Speaker 3: always just had like super reliable people all over the place,
[13:48] Speaker 3: right and then star power that they don't even feel
[13:51] Speaker 3: remotely close to that. I actually gained a lot of
[13:53] Speaker 3: respect for Rodgers today. He's gonna be forty two in
[13:56] Speaker 3: less than a month, he's out there with a cast
[13:58] Speaker 3: on his left hand, which that's a hand that used
[14:00] Speaker 3: to brace yourself. He's made hundreds of millions of dollars.
[14:04] Speaker 3: He does not need to be doing this. So I
[14:06] Speaker 3: give him a lot of respect for saying it's not
[14:08] Speaker 3: like he has a lot of equity with this franchise
[14:09] Speaker 3: that he needs to try to earn their respect. So
[14:12] Speaker 3: he's trying. He's given them all they have. But Tomlin
[14:15] Speaker 3: takes a lot of shit. Now I've been saying for
[14:16] Speaker 3: a while it's probably time for a breakup. If you're
[14:18] Speaker 3: Mike Toman, you go to the Giants, you would be
[14:21] Speaker 3: getting a standing ovation walking into that press conference. But
[14:25] Speaker 3: the front office in the GM, when you look at
[14:27] Speaker 3: the team, Cam Hayward's been there for a decade and
[14:30] Speaker 3: a half. That has nothing to do with this group. TJ.
[14:32] Speaker 3: Wat's been there for ten years.
[14:34] Speaker 1: Right.
[14:35] Speaker 3: The talent on that roster and the philosophy of the
[14:38] Speaker 3: moves like you're trading for DK Metcalf, Like he's a
[14:41] Speaker 3: number two guys and you're gonna py him a hundred
[14:43] Speaker 3: fifty million dollars. Like what are you guys doing? No position?
[14:47] Speaker 3: I'm watching the Bears make some seventh round running back
[14:50] Speaker 3: go for one hundred and thirty yards with his eyes closed,
[14:52] Speaker 3: and you guys can't find a running back like you guys,
[14:54] Speaker 3: you're the guy you draft in the third round, can't
[14:56] Speaker 3: sniff the field? Your front office? Who is? I would
[14:59] Speaker 3: say the Steelers for a long, long time, just they
[15:02] Speaker 3: were the most reliable franchise, just doing it right year
[15:05] Speaker 3: in year out, for decade, my entire life. I look now,
[15:08] Speaker 3: I see, like got it. Something's off kilter there, and
[15:11] Speaker 3: maybe the family's getting a lot older, you know, it's
[15:14] Speaker 3: just things change. They're so rich now, maybe you lose
[15:18] Speaker 3: touch a little bit, have the same chip on your shoulder.
[15:21] Speaker 3: But to me, the talent on the rock and I'd say, listen,
[15:24] Speaker 3: it's like Buffalo we've talked about. This is some greatly
[15:27] Speaker 3: talented They had injuries today, missing some players, but even
[15:30] Speaker 3: when healthier, I would consider them the seven pass.
[15:33] Speaker 1: No. I mean the Lakers sold, it felt very mom
[15:37] Speaker 1: and pop. And then they bring in the Dodgers group
[15:39] Speaker 1: and it already feels they're getting rid of bus family members.
[15:44] Speaker 1: I think would the Roonies ever sell they feel? I
[15:48] Speaker 1: mean that division now has the Brown family, Mom and pop.
[15:52] Speaker 1: The Rooneys feel outdated, little mom and pop. Baltimore's got
[15:57] Speaker 1: excellent ownership and management throughout Eveland a bit of a mess,
[16:01] Speaker 1: although I like the coach, I like the GM, I
[16:03] Speaker 1: like the roster actually, but it's just watching this today.
[16:07] Speaker 1: You have two defensive coaches. You know, it's seven three
[16:11] Speaker 1: or ten three and a half, whatever it was, and
[16:13] Speaker 1: it was like, God, there's just nothing creative. I mean,
[16:16] Speaker 1: Buffalo basically, if you look at their game plan, they
[16:19] Speaker 1: just it was pretty clear they were just wanted to
[16:22] Speaker 1: get into a slug fest and they just kind of
[16:24] Speaker 1: figured they would over the course of time score.
[16:26] Speaker 3: Get to twenty points. You can't match.
[16:28] Speaker 1: Us, That's what it felt like. It almost felt like
[16:31] Speaker 1: what Ohio State did against Michigan, Like that first half.
[16:34] Speaker 1: Ohio State was so conservative, and their take is, we
[16:38] Speaker 1: got better players, We're gonna win this game. It's just
[16:40] Speaker 1: going to take three and a half hours to win
[16:41] Speaker 1: the football game. So I you know, I feel like
[16:46] Speaker 1: I'm always beating up on the Steelers, But small market
[16:49] Speaker 1: Green Bay is so smart, so cutting edge offensive coaches
[16:53] Speaker 1: do a very good job in the sport of solving
[16:56] Speaker 1: problems in season. I've said this John A McVeigh a
[17:01] Speaker 1: read a Sean Payton. I think those guys. Shanahan has
[17:04] Speaker 1: done a great job this year solve problems middle of
[17:07] Speaker 1: a season takes a couple of weeks. I feel like
[17:09] Speaker 1: defensive coaches need an off season to solve problems. Pete
[17:14] Speaker 1: Carroll will need an off season, Tomlin McDermott. When things
[17:18] Speaker 1: go sideways, they don't rebound quickly. I mean you watch
[17:22] Speaker 1: Denver struggles struggle in their first half offense, then they
[17:25] Speaker 1: play the Chiefs and they get on the board in
[17:27] Speaker 1: the first half and they kind of clean it up.
[17:28] Speaker 1: I mean, Ben Johnson has an identity. There are a
[17:32] Speaker 1: number one seed now Chicago. I mean the defense leads
[17:35] Speaker 1: and takeaways, the offense leads in rushing. There are number
[17:38] Speaker 1: one seed. These offensive coaches come in. Ben Johnson has
[17:41] Speaker 1: been tweaking this mother every two weeks, like you've seen
[17:45] Speaker 1: improvement and Pittsburgh Lee, you know. I feel like they think, like, Okay,
[17:49] Speaker 1: you play the season, then the season's over, and then
[17:52] Speaker 1: you take the wrenches out and you fix it. You're
[17:55] Speaker 1: gonna fix it every week in pro football now, the
[17:57] Speaker 1: coaching's too smart. Yeah.
[17:59] Speaker 3: I think also the organization, like the way they view
[18:02] Speaker 3: football is the defense can carry us. And I still
[18:05] Speaker 3: believe you need a good defense to win in college
[18:07] Speaker 3: or the pros. But it's an offensive sport. I mean,
[18:10] Speaker 3: didn't save In say this a decade ago when he
[18:12] Speaker 3: hired Lan Kiff, and I had to adapt because of
[18:15] Speaker 3: the rules. So you can't even the Texans. I mean,
[18:19] Speaker 3: the Texans have what looks like to be an all
[18:21] Speaker 3: time great defense. I mean, their defense is fantastic, but
[18:23] Speaker 3: if their offense plays like that that, they're not going anywhere,
[18:26] Speaker 3: even if they make the playoffs. And that's the one
[18:28] Speaker 3: thing I will say about the Bills is the FC
[18:31] Speaker 3: does look pretty wide open. I mean, there are a
[18:32] Speaker 3: lot of random teams gonna make it that as long
[18:34] Speaker 3: as you got that quarterback, I think we'd both agree
[18:37] Speaker 3: they would have a chance in every game. If the
[18:39] Speaker 3: pass rushers are healthy and Josh is healthy, they would
[18:43] Speaker 3: have a chance. For the Steelers, I've been saying this
[18:45] Speaker 3: for the month. I mean, clearly they are. They have
[18:47] Speaker 3: been in a free fall for a month. I mean
[18:49] Speaker 3: ever since Flaco beat them on that Thursday night game.
[18:51] Speaker 3: They have not been good. But even last year, you
[18:54] Speaker 3: say one hundred, but this is even starting earlier this year,
[18:58] Speaker 3: the attrition of the age. Listen, it's just it's not
[19:02] Speaker 3: Tomblin will probably assuming that. I mean they'll get a
[19:05] Speaker 3: divorce one of these days. It is an organizational thing.
[19:08] Speaker 3: And you bring up the Packers. They have a much
[19:10] Speaker 3: better front office. Gudikins I got news free. I know
[19:13] Speaker 3: Rogers button heads with him, but he kind of was
[19:15] Speaker 3: right on that transaction. And he's pretty good at his job,
[19:18] Speaker 3: you know, like the power. I don't know football is
[19:21] Speaker 3: quite baseball, but your GM is pretty important because it's
[19:25] Speaker 3: not obviously the quarterback, but it's a lot of auxiliary
[19:27] Speaker 3: moves of you know, backup defensive linemen, who's your slot receiver,
[19:31] Speaker 3: who's your slot corner? You can make moves in season.
[19:34] Speaker 3: You know one thing, you know Howie has done that.
[19:37] Speaker 3: I think a lot of Lions fans go like, where
[19:39] Speaker 3: are trades mids? You like, you can be aggressive now
[19:41] Speaker 3: in this modern day NFL. So I'd say the Steelers
[19:44] Speaker 3: just kind of ran into age attrition and just a
[19:47] Speaker 3: coach that you know, it's just time. There's nothing wrong
[19:50] Speaker 3: with that. Andy Reid was fired in Philadelphia. Ask him
[19:52] Speaker 3: how that turned out.
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[21:22] Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. Chicago twenty four Philadelphia fifteen.
[21:30] Speaker 1: Right now, Chicago's number one in rushing, number one in
[21:33] Speaker 1: the NFC North, number one in the NFC, number one
[21:36] Speaker 1: in takeaways. That's not just the roster. And he still
[21:39] Speaker 1: has a quarterback who I think is a work in progress.
[21:41] Speaker 1: Who But again this goes back to Nick Seriani is
[21:47] Speaker 1: scheme dependent. Philadelphia has been spiraling this entire season. Offensively
[21:52] Speaker 1: has been an uneven mess. He can't fix it. Because
[21:57] Speaker 1: he doesn't have the right oc Ben Johnson. We don't
[22:02] Speaker 1: even think the quarterback's a great fit. We didn't think
[22:05] Speaker 1: going into this season, Hugh. This defense, it's a magnet
[22:09] Speaker 1: for turnovers.
[22:10] Speaker 3: Nobody thought that they're number one of the NFL in takeaways.
[22:13] Speaker 1: We didn't even like their secondary. Jalb Johnson got hurt.
[22:16] Speaker 1: We were like, they're screwed. No, they Nishan Wright. They
[22:20] Speaker 1: find all these guys now they like lead the NFL.
[22:22] Speaker 1: Their secondary is just pansy picking it off one handed catches.
[22:28] Speaker 1: So I mean, I think I was. I wrote this
[22:31] Speaker 1: down during the game that Ben Johnson's the best young
[22:34] Speaker 1: head coaching higher since McVeigh. That's what it feels like.
[22:37] Speaker 1: Like Shanahan was a great Higher. But Shanahan's been like
[22:40] Speaker 1: winning season, losing season, winning season, losing seasons in San
[22:44] Speaker 1: Francisco always had a heartbeat because it's got good ownership.
[22:48] Speaker 1: The Rams were with Jeff Fisher unwatchable, two double digit wins.
[22:56] Speaker 1: I still think Caleb's completing fifty eight and a half
[23:01] Speaker 1: percent of his throws. I still think this has so
[23:04] Speaker 1: much more room to grow offensively.
[23:06] Speaker 3: See I would say he's a combination of the two
[23:08] Speaker 3: because Shanahan was much more heralded as an offensive coordinator
[23:13] Speaker 3: right with Atlanta. Where McVeigh was coaching in Washington, they
[23:17] Speaker 3: weren't winning as many games. He was like this shooting
[23:19] Speaker 3: star within the league, but everyone when he hired him
[23:22] Speaker 3: was thirty one. But that first year they were immediately
[23:24] Speaker 3: awesome and in the playoffs, you're like, what after Jared
[23:27] Speaker 3: Goff honestly looked like he was going to.
[23:28] Speaker 1: Be out of the league his rookie year.
[23:31] Speaker 3: If I would have told you that going into December
[23:34] Speaker 3: that the Bears would be the NFC's top seed with
[23:37] Speaker 3: their quarterback throwing for under sixty percent of a completion percentage,
[23:42] Speaker 3: not a soul.
[23:42] Speaker 1: Would have believed you.
[23:43] Speaker 3: Right, that's the thing. They are winning all these games.
[23:46] Speaker 3: Their quarterback's pretty inaccurate now thro the touchdown throw that
[23:50] Speaker 3: he made was like that was USC Oklahoma Heisman Trophy.
[23:54] Speaker 3: He still has some remarkable highlight plays, but he still
[23:58] Speaker 3: misses a ton of just like random out routes overthrowing guys.
[24:01] Speaker 3: And it gets back to the thing that Shanahan did,
[24:04] Speaker 3: and McVeigh did this early too, because he had gurly
[24:06] Speaker 3: he would just run the ball unlimited runs, just as
[24:09] Speaker 3: two running backs had forty carries in that game where
[24:13] Speaker 3: you watched the other night against the Panthers, Canalis, ric o'doudle,
[24:16] Speaker 3: he had six carries. It's like, I know, the guy
[24:19] Speaker 3: had like nine hundred yards coming into the game. It's
[24:21] Speaker 3: middle of October or middle of November. What are you doing?
[24:23] Speaker 3: Ben Johnson can't even relate. Shanahan can't relate to that.
[24:27] Speaker 3: They will just keep giving young McVeigh until he got
[24:29] Speaker 3: Stafford will just hand it off, handed off, handed off.
[24:32] Speaker 3: They're your quarterback's best friend, and it makes the game
[24:35] Speaker 3: so much easier on Caleb, and then you can use
[24:38] Speaker 3: Caleb's legs. But the running game that the scheme, I
[24:41] Speaker 3: mean VIC Fangios making five six million dollars a year.
[24:44] Speaker 3: I mean they got Jorge Davis first round pick, Jalen
[24:47] Speaker 3: Carter first round, picked all their linebackers. I mean, they
[24:50] Speaker 3: got really good players up front, and they had no
[24:52] Speaker 3: clue what was cat. It felt like you know sometimes
[24:55] Speaker 3: when you watch like a Navy, you know, coaches always talk, hey,
[24:58] Speaker 3: whenever you play one of those service academies, hard to
[25:00] Speaker 3: practice for him because you know the different misdirection and
[25:03] Speaker 3: they're chop blocking you the Eagles were just all they
[25:06] Speaker 3: didn't know where. It was like they were playing the
[25:07] Speaker 3: wing tee and you could tell early on, You're like,
[25:11] Speaker 3: this is a pretty special game plan here from Ben Jon.
[25:13] Speaker 3: He's I've been blown away. And I always say, like,
[25:17] Speaker 3: going from a coordinator job to a head coach, haven't
[25:19] Speaker 3: seen it firsthand. When I was in Philly, Sean McDermott
[25:22] Speaker 3: was our defensive coordinator. Andy Ree was the head coach.
[25:25] Speaker 3: When someone got in trouble, big Dom walked to Andy's office,
[25:27] Speaker 3: not Sean McDermott's. So as a coordinator, you just you're
[25:31] Speaker 3: not dealing with so many other things in the building. Besides,
[25:34] Speaker 3: I'm not even talking football. And clearly he's able to
[25:37] Speaker 3: handle the pressure of this city, the divisions were. He's
[25:40] Speaker 3: now beating really good teams, right, It's like, okay, who
[25:42] Speaker 3: he's beating the Giants last couple of weeks, like that
[25:44] Speaker 3: Steeler game, even if they end up nine to eight,
[25:47] Speaker 3: that was a real win. And obviously the Eagles on
[25:50] Speaker 3: the road in Philadelphia a short week with Philly just
[25:53] Speaker 3: coming off that loss, I mean to just I mean,
[25:56] Speaker 3: they worked them. I mean, that was they kicked their ass,
[26:00] Speaker 3: and that was honestly one of those situations where you went,
[26:03] Speaker 3: am I kind of out on Philly because something's off.
[26:06] Speaker 3: It does feel a little bit not quite as bad.
[26:08] Speaker 3: But remember a couple of years ago when they free
[26:10] Speaker 3: fell something. You can't have a working situation with aj
[26:15] Speaker 3: and Jalen having it be that public, that palpable, even
[26:18] Speaker 3: if like well, on the field, we just put our
[26:20] Speaker 3: head downs. Eventually that stuff carries over to other people
[26:23] Speaker 3: and creates some sort of rift.
[26:25] Speaker 1: Right. No, And the other thing is Greg co Sell ohs,
[26:30] Speaker 1: he's truth serum. Greg co Sell watches film. He doesn't
[26:33] Speaker 1: really have strong opinions based on anything other than film,
[26:36] Speaker 1: and he always says this. The Philadelphia pass game is
[26:40] Speaker 1: really very simple. It's not hard to defend. They just
[26:43] Speaker 1: have great athletes and their throws Jalen Hurts can't make
[26:46] Speaker 1: because he can't see. So that's why this offense is
[26:49] Speaker 1: so uneven. So when Barkley Shakuon Barkley's not getting these
[26:53] Speaker 1: run gaps, it becomes very Jalen Hurts dependent. Well, that's
[26:57] Speaker 1: a limited offense. Saquon Barkley's humming. Now it's second and three. Yeah,
[27:02] Speaker 1: the offense is better, but you put Jalen hurts into
[27:05] Speaker 1: have to throw situations. It's a simple offense. He doesn't
[27:10] Speaker 1: see some stuff. I mean, he's better than Tua because
[27:13] Speaker 1: he's more athletic, he's tougher, But there's limitations. And I
[27:17] Speaker 1: also think we go back to Nick Sirianni when he
[27:21] Speaker 1: got the job. I had two people, I just say,
[27:24] Speaker 1: what do you think? And they're like, he's not ready
[27:26] Speaker 1: to be a head coach. He needs to get great coordinators. Well,
[27:29] Speaker 1: he got Shane Steiken, and he didn't let Steike in
[27:33] Speaker 1: call plays. Remember that you do. They were awful, then
[27:36] Speaker 1: he gave it up. Then they were fine. Now he
[27:40] Speaker 1: hires Brian Johnson, it's a disaster. Than he hires this
[27:45] Speaker 1: his new guy, Kevin what's the last name Petula? But
[27:49] Speaker 1: Kevin Petula, Kevin Beetula obviously struggling with either relationships or
[27:55] Speaker 1: play calling. There's nothing Nick can do. Nick's almost got
[27:59] Speaker 1: an aggressive defensive coordinator mentality. He's not remotely close to
[28:04] Speaker 1: a scheme guy. So to me, they have problems they
[28:06] Speaker 1: can't solve in season. Most great offensive coaches can solve
[28:10] Speaker 1: their shit in season. I don't think Sirianni only solved
[28:14] Speaker 1: it with Shane Stiken when he just handed over the
[28:17] Speaker 1: play calling. So what are they gonna do? Do we
[28:20] Speaker 1: really think this team? I mean, John, this has been
[28:23] Speaker 1: a nine week, eleven week, twelve week issue. This isn't
[28:27] Speaker 1: going away.
[28:29] Speaker 3: The one thing they got going for him is I
[28:31] Speaker 3: did this after the Bears game. They still got the Raiders,
[28:33] Speaker 3: the Commanders, and the Commanders on the schedule, and even
[28:36] Speaker 3: next week they play the Chargers on Monday Night, who
[28:39] Speaker 3: just have a lot of injuries and just are a
[28:42] Speaker 3: beatable you know, eight and fourteen. But to me, if
[28:45] Speaker 3: you lose to the Chargers, they do feel fickle enough
[28:49] Speaker 3: to lose.
[28:50] Speaker 4: Danny.
[28:50] Speaker 3: You know, you could get beat to a random Commander game.
[28:53] Speaker 3: I mean, we saw it happen a couple of years ago.
[28:55] Speaker 3: So I would say next week, Monday Night football in
[28:58] Speaker 3: Los Angeles, which I would guess we'll have a lot
[29:01] Speaker 3: of Eagles fans there kind of must win, especially if
[29:04] Speaker 3: the Cowboys, because you got all the Cowboys don't have enough,
[29:07] Speaker 3: you know, there's not enough space for them to catch up. Well,
[29:10] Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you beat the Lions and the
[29:12] Speaker 3: hottest team in the league. The Eagles lose on Monday Night,
[29:15] Speaker 3: then they got a short week against the Raiders, and
[29:18] Speaker 3: all of a sudden, this pressure and it starts getting weird,
[29:20] Speaker 3: and these guys, it's gonna be hard for aj. I mean,
[29:23] Speaker 3: he's already not keeping his mouth shut. You know, during
[29:25] Speaker 3: the week he starts he's like, what do I even
[29:27] Speaker 3: care anymore? I'm not gonna be on this team next year.
[29:30] Speaker 3: And the thing in Philly, you know, they started. I
[29:33] Speaker 3: knew going into that game. I'm like, if this thing
[29:36] Speaker 3: is like seven to six or something in the first half,
[29:38] Speaker 3: that crowd is gonna be on edge because they already
[29:41] Speaker 3: come in with apprehension that we're not actually that good,
[29:45] Speaker 3: Like I know, we're the defending champs, but we feel
[29:47] Speaker 3: way off. And then when you start getting physically shoved around,
[29:50] Speaker 3: because the one thing you'd say Philly has they had
[29:52] Speaker 3: that stretch when fan Jo got a couple of players back,
[29:54] Speaker 3: it's like they got one of the best defense in
[29:56] Speaker 3: the league. And then you start getting worked on defense.
[29:58] Speaker 3: You go, well, we're gonna have problem if we're not
[30:00] Speaker 3: holding you, you know, to ten thirteen points, we're gonna
[30:05] Speaker 3: be in for it. And then all of a sudden
[30:06] Speaker 3: they're up ten to three, and you go the Eagles team.
[30:08] Speaker 3: I mean if it wasn't, I mean they fumble a
[30:11] Speaker 3: tush push. I don't know they are in the story
[30:15] Speaker 3: of the game obviously was Ben Johnson. But I do
[30:17] Speaker 3: think that Kevin. But here's the problem. So you're gonna
[30:21] Speaker 3: this season, you go eleven and six, you lose in
[30:22] Speaker 3: the first round, you fire your offensive coordinator. You just
[30:25] Speaker 3: bringing another guy and you have you know, it's Jalen's
[30:27] Speaker 3: whatever tenth offensive coordinator ten years or whatever. The staff
[30:30] Speaker 3: will be. It's like and you just hope you get
[30:32] Speaker 3: a Kellen Moore or Shane Sikein. But I don't know.
[30:36] Speaker 1: Well, you're saving on Sirianni's contract, so and the Jalen
[30:40] Speaker 1: Hurts steels very team friendly. So you probably go spend
[30:43] Speaker 1: three million dollars and you go you outbid people for
[30:45] Speaker 1: the best coordinator. San Francisco forty nine ers twenty six,
[30:49] Speaker 1: Cleveland eight. The forty nine ers nine and four. Heading
[30:52] Speaker 1: into the latest buy in the Kyle Shanahan era, I
[30:55] Speaker 1: think it's a great time for a buy. These late
[30:58] Speaker 1: buys are perfect. I have said this. I think the
[31:03] Speaker 1: coaching staff of the year is San Francisco to be
[31:06] Speaker 1: nine and four. That's a good division. Even going to
[31:09] Speaker 1: Arizona has historically been tough for all the teams in
[31:12] Speaker 1: that division, always been tough, even as wonky and weird
[31:16] Speaker 1: and strangely owned and quarterbacked in coach. I know everybody
[31:23] Speaker 1: wants to talk about shadur. You know, they had two
[31:25] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three yards of total offense. That's about
[31:27] Speaker 1: what the Niners had. You know, Christian McCaffrey twenty carries
[31:32] Speaker 1: four catches. Brock Purty was more than solid. You know,
[31:36] Speaker 1: Cleveland butchered a punt that helped a lot. But you know,
[31:39] Speaker 1: my take was San Francisco this year had been very
[31:42] Speaker 1: bad after wins, and I know you can roll your
[31:45] Speaker 1: eyes at Carolina, but they thumped him, and Carolina beat
[31:48] Speaker 1: the Rams today and Cleveland won last week, So you
[31:51] Speaker 1: can say what you want, but going to Cleveland winning
[31:55] Speaker 1: bad weather not built for brock Purty, I was really impressed.
[32:00] Speaker 1: I feel like I have to reevaluate. I bet the
[32:02] Speaker 1: Niners for third. Now Seattle won and the Rams are
[32:04] Speaker 1: gonna win the division. Do you think San Francisco's a
[32:07] Speaker 1: playoff team? Oh?
[32:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think the playoffs are set now.
[32:10] Speaker 3: Like I said, I think all three teams in the
[32:13] Speaker 3: West are clearly in ram Seattle, the Niners and and
[32:16] Speaker 3: I think pretty much if the Lions loose Thursday, it's
[32:18] Speaker 3: the Bears and the Packers, and that's in some more.
[32:20] Speaker 3: Those are your three wild cards.
[32:22] Speaker 1: To me.
[32:22] Speaker 3: The Niners today was an organization organization will win. I mean,
[32:27] Speaker 3: the Browns are such a cluster, you know what I mean,
[32:29] Speaker 3: what an embarrassment of a franchise. It really And the
[32:32] Speaker 3: forty nine Ers are the complete opposite. They're playing. Their
[32:35] Speaker 3: front seven is like a UFL team. I mean, all there.
[32:38] Speaker 3: They showed the all the guys on in reserve, I
[32:41] Speaker 3: mean Fred Warner and Nick Bosa may combined like fifty
[32:43] Speaker 3: million dollars. They're two of Fred's one of the best
[32:46] Speaker 3: defensive players in the league. Oh look, yeah, but both
[32:49] Speaker 3: of early this season looked fantastic. Before he toreds ACL
[32:52] Speaker 3: their first round pick they had, they were six to eleven.
[32:55] Speaker 3: They had the eleventh pick was the kid from Georgia
[32:57] Speaker 3: towards ACL.
[32:58] Speaker 1: He's six foot will.
[33:00] Speaker 3: Two hundred and eighty pounds. I mean, so you we
[33:01] Speaker 3: were moving through. They're playing with Cleveland Ferrell, who they
[33:04] Speaker 3: let walk a couple years, who was on a practice
[33:06] Speaker 3: squad and he's flying around Sack and Shador. Meanwhile, he
[33:09] Speaker 3: got Stefanski and Barry have this quarterback controversy with two
[33:13] Speaker 3: guys they've drafted the third and the fifth round, and
[33:16] Speaker 3: the forty nine ers are just clowning them in a
[33:18] Speaker 3: like you said, brock Purty has not been good in weather.
[33:21] Speaker 3: Even today. He's wearing something on his elbow that he
[33:24] Speaker 3: heard a couple years ago against the Eagles because in
[33:26] Speaker 3: cold weather it kind of stiffens up. I'm like, did
[33:28] Speaker 3: he hurt his elbow? No, that's just a holdover from
[33:31] Speaker 3: his previous injury. It's like Jesus, you know. But in
[33:35] Speaker 3: Miles Garrett's coming off a game where he has twenty
[33:37] Speaker 3: five sacks against the Raiders, so you're like this guy,
[33:40] Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz, the stat was he was eight and one
[33:44] Speaker 3: against Kyle Shanahan is a defensive coordinator, head coach against
[33:47] Speaker 3: Kyle ShW It.
[33:48] Speaker 1: Was my second favorite bet. I had San Francisco winning
[33:50] Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty. My second favorite bet of the
[33:52] Speaker 1: day was Cleveland plus five and a half, six points.
[33:54] Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be a dog fight.
[33:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think franchises and this is what I
[34:00] Speaker 3: respect about Ben Johnson is you're either a tough coacher
[34:03] Speaker 3: or not. And not every guy is Jim Harbaugh or
[34:05] Speaker 3: Mike Frable like an actual tough guy, Dan Campbell. It's
[34:08] Speaker 3: about the way you practice. To knock on Lincoln Riley.
[34:11] Speaker 1: It's like, how do you practice?
[34:12] Speaker 3: And you know you can be an offensive guy and
[34:15] Speaker 3: be a tough minded guy by the way you practice.
[34:18] Speaker 3: And the forty nine Ers, I've been going to their
[34:20] Speaker 3: practice for years, like it's just a tough, old school
[34:23] Speaker 3: franchise and this was a year where honestly they should
[34:26] Speaker 3: have been Like last year, Mac Jones has to start
[34:29] Speaker 3: seven eight games, prettiest turf toe. Look at the Bengals,
[34:34] Speaker 3: they lose Burrow for a large portion of the season
[34:37] Speaker 3: and their whole franchise just melts down. Like part of
[34:40] Speaker 3: this is it's you're more than just one. This is
[34:42] Speaker 3: a team game like you see today, Like you know
[34:46] Speaker 3: it's not Shador, it's not Miles Garrett. You're a team
[34:49] Speaker 3: like you're kind of the special teams unit. You're dependent
[34:51] Speaker 3: on everybody, and I just think you just saw the
[34:54] Speaker 3: forty nine ers, or we talk about this a lot
[34:56] Speaker 3: during the combine. You're like you can just tell these
[34:59] Speaker 3: teams have no job, and this gap now is it's
[35:02] Speaker 3: probably like ten teams verse twenty. Yeah, and you got
[35:05] Speaker 3: the Browns who spend all this money, who got a
[35:08] Speaker 3: couple Ivy League gms and coaches just like they are
[35:12] Speaker 3: always like four or five wins. It's like, I don't know,
[35:15] Speaker 3: maybe it's the owner the forty nine ers since they've
[35:17] Speaker 3: gotten Kyle really beside the one year last year, like
[35:21] Speaker 3: they've they've been pretty consistent now and this year how
[35:24] Speaker 3: they're doing it now. They benefit from an easier schedule.
[35:26] Speaker 3: But man, I mean they beat Seattle and they beat
[35:29] Speaker 3: the Rams this year.
[35:30] Speaker 1: I mean crazy, It's no I this has been if
[35:35] Speaker 1: this has been the year of coaching Mike Vrabel, Ben Johnson,
[35:39] Speaker 1: Shanahan and Robert Sala. You've seen by the way Stafford
[35:44] Speaker 1: didn't practice before the season. This is the best Rams team.
[35:48] Speaker 1: Despite today's loss, mcvey's done an unbelievable job. So Rams
[35:53] Speaker 1: lost twenty eight thirty one. Carolina beat some thirty one
[35:56] Speaker 1: to twenty eight. Basically Rams had three turnovers. Carolina nine,
[36:00] Speaker 1: Bryce Young. You know it's fifteen for twenty. It didn't
[36:03] Speaker 1: make any mistakes. Stafford whose number one target now appears
[36:08] Speaker 1: to be Devonte Adams over Pooka at least in the
[36:11] Speaker 1: end zone. The regression. I thought the Rams lost today.
[36:14] Speaker 1: I was texting Jason mcintyren, like, you can't play seventeen
[36:17] Speaker 1: eighteen weeks without just Havy stepping in it, and it
[36:22] Speaker 1: was just all those turnovers coming into today. I think
[36:26] Speaker 1: Stafford had thirty touchdowns and two picks. That's like me
[36:28] Speaker 1: starting the year eighteen and one on my blazing five picks.
[36:32] Speaker 1: You're gonna do one and fours back to back, like
[36:35] Speaker 1: regression of the mean, I don't take much from it.
[36:38] Speaker 1: I think the Rams have it sewed up, and I
[36:40] Speaker 1: think the Rams defense didn't play great. And I also
[36:43] Speaker 1: think the Carolina team we saw today and I watched
[36:47] Speaker 1: almost every snap of this game, they're six and six. Now,
[36:50] Speaker 1: that's the team I bet on getting a touchdown at
[36:52] Speaker 1: San Francisco. But San Francisco and Sala handcuff Bryce Young
[36:57] Speaker 1: against a healthy defense. Today, Young moved to Baltimber three
[37:01] Speaker 1: for three on fourth down. I mean, Caroline is more
[37:04] Speaker 1: than functional. Today's guests on the pod is Dan Farrah.
[37:16] Speaker 1: Dan's the director and producer of Age of Disclosure. It's
[37:20] Speaker 1: currently on Prime Video. In fact, it's the number one
[37:24] Speaker 1: movie on Prime and if you look at their lineup,
[37:32] Speaker 1: that's pretty heady stuff. Dan Farrah has made a movie
[37:38] Speaker 1: that has altered my perception of intelligence beyond our borders
[37:47] Speaker 1: and beyond our capabilities. And when I watched Age of Disclosure,
[37:54] Speaker 1: and I'm not as cynical today as I was twenty
[37:58] Speaker 1: years ago. A lot of that's because of videos of
[38:02] Speaker 1: craft and technology that were clearly not capable of. And
[38:07] Speaker 1: so I thought, I want to spend an hour with
[38:10] Speaker 1: Dan Farrah. And many of you have seen it, probably
[38:15] Speaker 1: many more of you will see it, and so let's
[38:18] Speaker 1: start our interview. The first pop moment for me watching this,
[38:24] Speaker 1: when I really sat back k I watched it twice,
[38:29] Speaker 1: and then I've watched several interviews was when you went
[38:33] Speaker 1: and it was senior officials, highly credible people, many retired.
[38:37] Speaker 1: You went to Missoula or Missouri or California. You went
[38:44] Speaker 1: to bases a great it was really like Google maps.
[38:48] Speaker 1: You went in and zoned in on these bases and
[38:51] Speaker 1: told stories. And these were people that were older. They
[38:58] Speaker 1: were not hyperbolic. They almost felt as if they were ashamed.
[39:03] Speaker 1: They hadn't told this story earlier. They were That's what
[39:07] Speaker 1: it felt like to me. They felt like, listen, I'm
[39:09] Speaker 1: telling the story. I mean, what in the world could
[39:11] Speaker 1: it have been? I didn't know. They felt guilty for
[39:13] Speaker 1: not telling it earlier. Of all those base stories, and
[39:17] Speaker 1: there's four or five you illustrate, and it's really worth
[39:21] Speaker 1: watching for that five minute part of the documentary. Which
[39:25] Speaker 1: one to you? I mean, because they all felt so
[39:28] Speaker 1: real and there's no reason at this point you're retired
[39:30] Speaker 1: to you know, ad libit or disclose information that's not
[39:36] Speaker 1: forthright and honest. Which one of those base experiences to you?
[39:43] Speaker 1: Is there one you still think about or one that
[39:45] Speaker 1: had the most impact to you?
[39:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I'm saying one really stands out to me.
[39:48] Speaker 2: But first I'll tell you, look, you interview people every
[39:51] Speaker 2: day this film. This was the first documentary I directed
[39:55] Speaker 2: and the first time I conducted interviews right, and I
[40:00] Speaker 2: I really truly felt it when they were sharing their
[40:03] Speaker 2: truths and their experiences. I felt like these people were
[40:06] Speaker 2: just getting a weight off their shoulder and relieved to
[40:09] Speaker 2: finally talk about it right, Like they wanted the world
[40:12] Speaker 2: to know the truth. They felt deserve the world deserved
[40:13] Speaker 2: to know the truth. So the activity at bases UAP base,
[40:18] Speaker 2: the UAP activity over military bases, it's not just military base,
[40:21] Speaker 2: it's also our nuclear weapons.
[40:22] Speaker 4: Sites, and it's active. It's an ongoing issue.
[40:26] Speaker 2: And I interviewed a number of military officials who experienced
[40:32] Speaker 2: events that happened in our classified airspace over military bases,
[40:36] Speaker 2: and one that really stands out took place at Vanderberg
[40:40] Speaker 2: Air Force Base. I'm in Los Angeles right now as
[40:42] Speaker 2: I talk to you and stuff. The coast like two
[40:44] Speaker 2: hours is VanderBurg, right around Santa Barbara area. And I
[40:49] Speaker 2: interviewed a Air Force security guard whose job at the
[40:53] Speaker 2: time was to guard nuclear weapons like a guy we
[40:56] Speaker 2: clearly trust, right, like not a crazy person, like someone
[41:00] Speaker 2: put in a very trusted position. And he was amongst
[41:04] Speaker 2: it was five or six other Air Force security guards
[41:07] Speaker 2: at the time. They saw a light coming off the coast,
[41:09] Speaker 2: the Pacific coast, towards the base. At first they thought
[41:12] Speaker 2: it was an airplane that was flying towards them. They
[41:14] Speaker 2: just saw a single light and then as it got closer,
[41:16] Speaker 2: the light went away and what came into view was
[41:20] Speaker 2: a giant what they described as a giant craft the
[41:24] Speaker 2: size of a football field. It puts his arms out
[41:26] Speaker 2: like this and says it was the size of a
[41:28] Speaker 2: football field. It was rectangular, It was matt black, no lights,
[41:32] Speaker 2: no visible means of propulsion, and it was just there
[41:35] Speaker 2: and it came over the base over their heads, and
[41:38] Speaker 2: it hovered over their heads, and they said they just
[41:40] Speaker 2: looked up in awe and shock at this extraordinary thing
[41:42] Speaker 2: that just defied everything they knew about reality. And then
[41:45] Speaker 2: it shot off at thousands of miles an hour. Obviously,
[41:50] Speaker 2: you know, mankind has never made a craft the size
[41:53] Speaker 2: of a football field that could fly, no propulsion system
[41:56] Speaker 2: and no lights and then shoot off at thousands of
[41:59] Speaker 2: miles an hour. And you know, hearing hearing this, this
[42:02] Speaker 2: this person tell the story was extraordinary.
[42:06] Speaker 3: Uh.
[42:06] Speaker 4: He had never spoken up publicly about it.
[42:08] Speaker 2: This was his first time going public after a month
[42:10] Speaker 2: wow decade.
[42:13] Speaker 4: He had no desire previously to talk about it.
[42:16] Speaker 2: But when he learned about you know who was speaking
[42:19] Speaker 2: up in this film and revealing the truth, he felt
[42:21] Speaker 2: like it was important for him to join that and
[42:23] Speaker 2: and share his truth.
[42:24] Speaker 4: But was also extraordinary. On top of that is after
[42:27] Speaker 4: talking to him, I talked to other Air Force security
[42:31] Speaker 4: guards that were on the base that day, and they
[42:33] Speaker 4: all told the same thing.
[42:34] Speaker 2: They all had the same story from different perspectives. And
[42:38] Speaker 2: then a couple of them actually slip me the police report,
[42:42] Speaker 2: the Air Force Security police report that had to do
[42:45] Speaker 2: shows the details in it, and it's a real situation
[42:49] Speaker 2: that actually happened.
[42:50] Speaker 4: And that is extraordinary.
[42:52] Speaker 2: The idea that there are human beings out out there
[42:55] Speaker 2: in our country that have had these experiences. You know,
[42:57] Speaker 2: and I and I and I, you know, I was
[42:59] Speaker 2: talking about this week with Joe Rogan last week. I'll
[43:01] Speaker 2: ask you, like, think about, like put yourself in the
[43:03] Speaker 2: shoes of this guy. What like what would your reaction be?
[43:06] Speaker 2: You look up and you see a UFO the size
[43:08] Speaker 2: of a football field just above you, and it takes
[43:10] Speaker 2: off thousands of miles an hour. It's you know, that's
[43:14] Speaker 2: that's so insane and such a like departure from what
[43:18] Speaker 2: we know to you know, be reality.
[43:20] Speaker 4: Right, It's got to just forever change you.
[43:22] Speaker 2: I think these people have these experiences, I think they
[43:25] Speaker 2: are forever changed by them.
[43:27] Speaker 1: Well, I've told my audience this. I think once before
[43:31] Speaker 1: I had an experience years ago. I was in college.
[43:35] Speaker 1: I was in a car I believe it was a
[43:41] Speaker 1: AMC pacer my dad had got from his friend who
[43:44] Speaker 1: was a car dealer. Wow. And I had driven from
[43:47] Speaker 1: college with Mark Fisher, who was my friend, and we
[43:51] Speaker 1: were in a very rural area in Brayln, Washington, and
[43:54] Speaker 1: we pulled up to my house, which had a long
[43:56] Speaker 1: driveway and I had a Frank Lloyd Wright house. I've
[43:58] Speaker 1: told this once or twice before. And I saw a
[44:01] Speaker 1: light above the house and it was a very rural road,
[44:04] Speaker 1: so I Mark was sleeping, and I said, hey, dude,
[44:06] Speaker 1: look look what is that. It was very small hovering
[44:09] Speaker 1: right over our house, multiple lights and as I pulled
[44:12] Speaker 1: up our driveway, it shot out and up. Wow. And
[44:16] Speaker 1: I went, okay, I'm going to take Mark home. I did.
[44:19] Speaker 1: I came back. I came and my mom she was
[44:22] Speaker 1: up actually because I'd driven from college and she wanted
[44:25] Speaker 1: to make sure I was safe. I said, did you
[44:27] Speaker 1: hear anything? She goes, she was British, no, dolling, I
[44:30] Speaker 1: didn't hear anything. I said, nothing, a humming anything. So
[44:34] Speaker 1: I always chalked it up. My town was small. We
[44:37] Speaker 1: didn't have helicopters in my town. It wasn't a small
[44:41] Speaker 1: plane because it hovered and then it went out and
[44:42] Speaker 1: up and it was I was thinking, as I was
[44:46] Speaker 1: taking the train in Chicago, I'm an La Sum but
[44:48] Speaker 1: Chicago more. And I was thinking, I'm not going to
[44:50] Speaker 1: waste his time with his story. But now we can,
[44:53] Speaker 1: you know, kind of segue to it. As you know
[44:56] Speaker 1: you there have been Aaron Rodgers has talked about this.
[44:58] Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Oh, you know, I didn't chide, but I
[45:02] Speaker 1: sort of poked funted him. I said, I don't want
[45:03] Speaker 1: my quarterbacks talking UFOs. Right. This is an adult position.
[45:07] Speaker 1: But the truth is a lot of people who have
[45:09] Speaker 1: nothing to gain from it have had these experiences. What
[45:13] Speaker 1: I thought was really fascinating is the negative biological effects
[45:19] Speaker 1: of people you interviewed, of your thirty four and senior
[45:22] Speaker 1: intelligence officials who have come in contact with not only Craft, Yeah,
[45:28] Speaker 1: but I guess I would say, lack of a better word, aliens, yes,
[45:33] Speaker 1: that have had very negative physical biological effects. Take our
[45:39] Speaker 1: audience there, because that to me, again, to say that publicly.
[45:45] Speaker 1: To say it privately at a party is one thing.
[45:48] Speaker 1: To say it publicly is mind blowing to me. I
[45:54] Speaker 1: don't remember anybody of that level ever saying that publicly. Yeah.
[45:58] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[45:58] Speaker 2: So one of the big reveals that came out making
[46:01] Speaker 2: this dock is that intelled in officials military officials who
[46:04] Speaker 2: have encountered UAP UFOs have had biological effects, meaning being
[46:10] Speaker 2: getting too close to this technology has negatively impacted them
[46:15] Speaker 2: their health, their bodies in some cases caused cancer. And
[46:19] Speaker 2: you know, it's it's understandable because this is a technology
[46:23] Speaker 2: that we don't fully understand, and it's extremely powerful and
[46:26] Speaker 2: it gives off a lot of energy. So the analogy
[46:28] Speaker 2: is like, hey, if you didn't know what an F
[46:30] Speaker 2: sixteen was and you went and stood behind it when
[46:32] Speaker 2: it was taken off, you're gonna get fed up, you know,
[46:34] Speaker 2: like it's not great. Yeah, And and so you know,
[46:38] Speaker 2: I think what we're learning is that this technology is
[46:45] Speaker 2: far outside or understanding in every way. And and yes,
[46:47] Speaker 2: there's been a number of of intelded officials and military
[46:50] Speaker 2: officials who have had severe health issues and and some
[46:54] Speaker 2: people have have passed away from cancer that they got
[47:00] Speaker 2: being too close to UFOs. And that's a darker part
[47:03] Speaker 2: of this whole truth that is coming out now, and
[47:07] Speaker 2: it is shocking.
[47:08] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[47:10] Speaker 1: Dan Fara is joining US director and producer Age of disclosure.
[47:13] Speaker 1: What has been interesting is since you have done this documentary,
[47:20] Speaker 1: there's been other pieces of video that have run, even
[47:23] Speaker 1: on the network Nightly News. One in particular is what
[47:28] Speaker 1: appears to be a UAP. I think it's Yemen, and
[47:33] Speaker 1: we fire at it and the missile or the shot
[47:38] Speaker 1: goes through it bounces through it, which based on the
[47:43] Speaker 1: bubble wrap theory in your documentary, is explainable, so the
[47:47] Speaker 1: Nightly News couldn't explain it. But I want you to
[47:50] Speaker 1: talk about the two physicists that talked about the bubble
[47:53] Speaker 1: wrap theory because I have seen and many people who
[47:56] Speaker 1: have seen these UAPs there is a almost a muted
[48:02] Speaker 1: look like they're inside something. And if you could, let's
[48:06] Speaker 1: talk about the bubble wrap theory. It's about a three
[48:08] Speaker 1: to five minute discussion, and it really to me it
[48:14] Speaker 1: was a pivotal moment because a lot of these things
[48:18] Speaker 1: look different. The ones I've always struggled with is the
[48:21] Speaker 1: ones that appear to have a circular device or a
[48:25] Speaker 1: shield around them, and it was described by your physicists. Yeah.
[48:29] Speaker 2: So over the years, it's been a lot of flight
[48:32] Speaker 2: performance characteristics that have been observed. When people see UAP,
[48:36] Speaker 2: they see them doing these these these.
[48:39] Speaker 4: These performance characteristics that defied physics as we know it, right,
[48:42] Speaker 4: And a couple of the very senior scientists that I
[48:45] Speaker 4: interviewed who worked on classified UAP programs for the US government,
[48:49] Speaker 4: they reveal in the film that they have figured out
[48:53] Speaker 4: how this technology works, how these UAP are doing what
[48:57] Speaker 4: they're doing. And simply put, these craft are generating a
[49:02] Speaker 4: significant amount of energy and they're creating a they're essentially
[49:07] Speaker 4: warping space time, which sounds like something out of a
[49:10] Speaker 4: science fiction movie. I understand that, but they are saying.
[49:13] Speaker 2: What these scientists reveal is that they are warping space
[49:16] Speaker 2: time in a localized area, and they're creating a bubble
[49:19] Speaker 2: around the craft. And essentially, the simplest way to say
[49:23] Speaker 2: it is that bubble creates a barrier between the environment
[49:27] Speaker 2: the craft is in in our environment, so the laws
[49:31] Speaker 2: that you know define what you can do, you know
[49:34] Speaker 2: with you know what physics allows you to do in
[49:37] Speaker 2: our environment are no longer applicable, right, So what happens
[49:40] Speaker 2: in that bubble is completely different than what happens outside
[49:43] Speaker 2: the bubble. So they might be moving along having a
[49:46] Speaker 2: Sunday stroll like a leisurely flight right, and to us
[49:49] Speaker 2: it looks like they're going at these impossible speeds. It
[49:52] Speaker 2: explains everything. It explains why trans medium travels observe. We
[49:57] Speaker 2: see these craft going from space to the air to
[50:00] Speaker 2: the ocean seamlessly through these separate environments, which is not
[50:03] Speaker 2: something our aircraft can do. But once you understand that
[50:07] Speaker 2: they're in their own space time environment, or within this bubble,
[50:10] Speaker 2: then it makes sense because the bubble and everything in
[50:13] Speaker 2: it is not impacted by the environment around it. It
[50:16] Speaker 2: also explains why we've had so much trouble getting these
[50:19] Speaker 2: things on radar, because the way radar works is a
[50:22] Speaker 2: radar emitter shoots radar at an object and then it
[50:24] Speaker 2: bounces back to the radar emitter, and that's how you
[50:26] Speaker 2: figure out where the thing is right. But in this case,
[50:29] Speaker 2: the radar is just bouncing around the bubble and continuing
[50:32] Speaker 2: on right. It also explains, you know, the answer to
[50:35] Speaker 2: the ageal question of why is it so hard to
[50:37] Speaker 2: get a good photo or video of a UFO. The
[50:40] Speaker 2: simple answer is because we're taking photos and videos through
[50:43] Speaker 2: a space time barrier, through this bubble. It's the equivalent
[50:46] Speaker 2: of trying to take pictures of fish under the ocean
[50:49] Speaker 2: from above the ocean.
[50:50] Speaker 4: You can't do it right. No one would ever be like, hey,
[50:53] Speaker 4: I'm trying to take a picture of these fish in
[50:55] Speaker 4: this coy pond that it looks all blurry. Why is
[50:56] Speaker 4: that happening?
[50:57] Speaker 2: You'd be like, well, moron, you're taking a picture from
[50:59] Speaker 2: a bubble the water to right in the water, right,
[51:02] Speaker 2: And it's the same thing here, Like, you can't get
[51:04] Speaker 2: a good picture of these things because we're trying to
[51:07] Speaker 2: take photos through a space time barrier, through this bubble
[51:10] Speaker 2: that's been created. And this warp bubble is the key
[51:12] Speaker 2: to that technology. And what's also extraordinary about it is,
[51:16] Speaker 2: as the signedists say, this technology, this ability to generate
[51:19] Speaker 2: this immense amount of energy in a localized area and
[51:22] Speaker 2: create this warp bubble, it is it is, in their opinion,
[51:25] Speaker 2: the key to interstellar travel. It's it's the key to
[51:29] Speaker 2: basically the next chapter for humanity.
[51:32] Speaker 4: Right, it's it's a solution to the energy crisis.
[51:35] Speaker 2: You know, they're creating immense amount of energy, and they're
[51:39] Speaker 2: tapping an energy that we haven't figured out.
[51:40] Speaker 4: How to tap into yet.
[51:41] Speaker 2: Right, That could solve one of the biggest problems humanity has,
[51:45] Speaker 2: the energy crisis. It could set up future generations, you know,
[51:48] Speaker 2: for a much better life. And then you know, in
[51:51] Speaker 2: terms of you know, opening its doord interstellar travel, they
[51:54] Speaker 2: could just expand you know, you know, mankind's exploration of
[51:58] Speaker 2: the galaxy.
[51:59] Speaker 4: It's the possible are limitless.
[52:01] Speaker 2: One of the other big big things talked about with
[52:04] Speaker 2: rather technology is once we start making this information known
[52:11] Speaker 2: to academia and the scientific community, then they can put
[52:15] Speaker 2: their brain power towards it, and who knows what else
[52:17] Speaker 2: comes off the back of that. You know, the space
[52:20] Speaker 2: Race was a single mission to get to the Moon, right,
[52:23] Speaker 2: but the process led to something like thirty five thousand
[52:27] Speaker 2: other inventions coming off the back of it that have
[52:29] Speaker 2: benefited us, like things we don't even think about, like
[52:32] Speaker 2: you know, I think velcrow and microwaves and.
[52:35] Speaker 4: Like things we use. Yeah, right, right, And you don't know.
[52:38] Speaker 2: What will come off the back of something like this.
[52:40] Speaker 2: So yeah, that sequence in the film is one of
[52:44] Speaker 2: my favorite sequences of the film because the two people
[52:47] Speaker 2: who speak are incredibly intelligent. They're quantum physicists. They worked
[52:53] Speaker 2: as senior scientists on these classified UAP programs for the government,
[52:57] Speaker 2: and they're just straight up revealing how this technology works,
[53:01] Speaker 2: and it's stated in such a simple way that you
[53:04] Speaker 2: don't need to be a rocket scientist to follow it,
[53:06] Speaker 2: you know, and it all makes sense and it's it's
[53:09] Speaker 2: really inspiring.
[53:11] Speaker 1: How has the UFO community I would be considered a
[53:14] Speaker 1: normy right like I when I said how much I
[53:18] Speaker 1: loved your film, your documentary, you know, a few people
[53:23] Speaker 1: pushed back, Oh, now the normies are talking about it.
[53:26] Speaker 1: But I can sense because you're getting such legitimate corporate
[53:38] Speaker 1: discussion nightly news, major cable programs. You know, Joe Rogan
[53:45] Speaker 1: has always had a great interest in this. But because
[53:48] Speaker 1: you're getting so much credit and so much discourse and discussion,
[53:56] Speaker 1: has there been any pushback from you know, nobody's ever
[54:00] Speaker 1: done this, nobody's ever had thirty four senior intelligence officials,
[54:04] Speaker 1: and the documentary beyond that is so brilliantly made. Like,
[54:07] Speaker 1: has there been any pushback or have you been universally
[54:12] Speaker 1: accepted and celebrated? Well?
[54:14] Speaker 2: Look, I think before the movie came out, I certainly
[54:16] Speaker 2: dealt with some people who were causing problems for me
[54:19] Speaker 2: behind the scenes, and there were a number of people
[54:21] Speaker 2: who wish this movie didn't exist, wish I hadn't made
[54:24] Speaker 2: it wish it wouldn't get released. I overcame all that
[54:27] Speaker 2: and obviously got the movie out there. I think that
[54:31] Speaker 2: the response to the film has been so overwhelmingly supportive, and,
[54:35] Speaker 2: as you said, in an unprecedent way, is getting serious
[54:38] Speaker 2: news coverage.
[54:38] Speaker 4: And I was on Jake Tapper on.
[54:40] Speaker 2: CNN, I yes, you know, Hannity and Brett Baher on Fox,
[54:45] Speaker 2: and New York Times did a big piece about a
[54:47] Speaker 2: secret screening I held for Congress a couple of weeks ago, how.
[54:50] Speaker 4: Important that was.
[54:51] Speaker 2: And so I think all of that is making people
[54:54] Speaker 2: realize how important this is, and it's overcoming those who
[54:57] Speaker 2: would want to cause problems. But there are still there's
[54:59] Speaker 2: still bad actors on social media. I'm aware of people
[55:03] Speaker 2: who are paid, bad actors who are actually on social media,
[55:08] Speaker 2: paid to just wake up every morning and disparage this
[55:10] Speaker 2: film and the people in it. Yes, take shots at it,
[55:12] Speaker 2: and that's a very real thing. They're not the smoothest operators,
[55:17] Speaker 2: because once you realize they're doing it.
[55:19] Speaker 1: I can tell.
[55:20] Speaker 4: I mean, some of it's so obvious.
[55:22] Speaker 2: You're like, no one spends this much time ragging on
[55:25] Speaker 2: the same thing unless it's their And guess what, it
[55:28] Speaker 2: is your job, you know, like so, but you know what,
[55:31] Speaker 2: I think the reality of it is the good guys
[55:33] Speaker 2: win in the end, and you know, the truth will prevail.
[55:36] Speaker 2: And this film is thirty four people arm in arm
[55:40] Speaker 2: putting their credibility on the line to share their truth.
[55:43] Speaker 2: And I think ultimately that that's any of these bad
[55:46] Speaker 2: actors on social media just making up disparaging negative stuff.
[55:51] Speaker 2: I just think it's noise and the truth is, the
[55:53] Speaker 2: truth is gonna win. And you know, you know, speaking
[55:55] Speaker 2: of three four people, the thing everyone's gonna remember this
[55:58] Speaker 2: day and age. You could put a four video of
[56:00] Speaker 2: that giant craft that went over Vanderberg online and half
[56:04] Speaker 2: the human population will think it's ai.
[56:06] Speaker 4: They'll be like, oh, some.
[56:08] Speaker 2: Hollywood producer made that with visual effects or this or that, right,
[56:11] Speaker 2: But people, credible people with amazing resumes and lots of
[56:17] Speaker 2: credibility putting their name and reputation on the line and
[56:20] Speaker 2: going on camera on the record revealing this information. To me,
[56:24] Speaker 2: that is that is the strongest evidence you could hope for.
[56:28] Speaker 2: And I think it's going to ultimately overshadow any any
[56:32] Speaker 2: bad actors online who are you know, saying disparaging things.
[56:38] Speaker 1: Only twenty seven percent of the ocean is mapped. Many
[56:41] Speaker 1: of these videos, these craft have been in and out
[56:44] Speaker 1: of the water. There's two or three that are more
[56:47] Speaker 1: prominent that I think almost everybody listening to this will
[56:50] Speaker 1: have seen. Were there discussions with any of the people
[57:00] Speaker 1: that you talk to that believe that's their primary base
[57:05] Speaker 1: on this planet or is it something they can you know,
[57:10] Speaker 1: they can activate, they can hide, or does it go
[57:14] Speaker 1: deeper than that. Sometimes, by the way, when you do
[57:16] Speaker 1: a documentary, there's some stuff that may be interesting but
[57:20] Speaker 1: doesn't make the cut. You guys didn't spend a ton
[57:24] Speaker 1: of time on the ocean, and my take is because
[57:26] Speaker 1: you didn't want a six hour documentary. But when you
[57:29] Speaker 1: talk to these intelligence officials, the thirty four people, is
[57:36] Speaker 1: there a sense that there are bases a base or
[57:39] Speaker 1: there's a lot more activity in the infrequently mapped oceans
[57:44] Speaker 1: that's going on.
[57:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an enormous amount of activity oceans that I've
[57:48] Speaker 4: learned about.
[57:49] Speaker 2: And yes, the only reason I didn't go deeper into
[57:51] Speaker 2: the ocean is just because I had to get this
[57:53] Speaker 2: documentary under two hours or people would tell me.
[57:56] Speaker 4: But yes, so everyone I interviewed.
[58:03] Speaker 2: Was of the same mindset and thought that the most
[58:07] Speaker 2: obvious place for the UAP to hide is the ocean,
[58:10] Speaker 2: because the majority of our planet is the ocean and
[58:13] Speaker 2: it's the easiest place to hide from humanity. On top
[58:15] Speaker 2: of that, there's been a lot of activity recorded by
[58:19] Speaker 2: our Military and Talness Committee under the ocean. There have
[58:22] Speaker 2: been reports of craft the size of football fields again
[58:26] Speaker 2: moving at one hundreds of miles an hour under the ocean,
[58:29] Speaker 2: which is not something we have the capability to do,
[58:33] Speaker 2: you know, and it's extraordinary. There are definitely hot spots.
[58:41] Speaker 2: Congressman Tim Burchett actually recently talked about it publicly in
[58:45] Speaker 2: an interview that there's four or five hotspots that are
[58:48] Speaker 2: believed to be either maybe their bases.
[58:51] Speaker 4: Maybe it's just a lot of activity there. We don't know.
[58:55] Speaker 4: That's yet to come out, but there's a lot of
[58:58] Speaker 4: activity under the ocean. And that's all so, you.
[59:00] Speaker 2: Know, for people who haven't really looked in this topic
[59:03] Speaker 2: and they hear, okay, now people are calling UFOs u
[59:05] Speaker 2: a P. Why why did that change happen? The primary
[59:09] Speaker 2: change is UFO stood for Unidentified flying object, UAP stands
[59:13] Speaker 2: for Unidentified anomalists phenomena and that that is because it
[59:17] Speaker 2: covers activity under the ocean and not just in the sky,
[59:21] Speaker 2: because the things underwater are not flying technically right, But
[59:25] Speaker 2: there is a tremendous amount of UAP activity in our oceans.
[59:29] Speaker 2: And as Congressman Carson, one of the senior members of
[59:32] Speaker 2: Congress in my film reveals, they have lots of reports
[59:36] Speaker 2: of these craft coming out of the ocean. And as
[59:39] Speaker 2: he says, these aren't rockets, they're not aircraft. There are
[59:41] Speaker 2: other worldly things. He literally says that on camera. And
[59:44] Speaker 2: he's a very senior member of Congress. He's on the
[59:47] Speaker 2: House Intelligence Committee. He was on the House Committee for
[59:50] Speaker 2: the Central Intelligence Agency. Really smart, senior, thoughtful guy.
[59:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[59:57] Speaker 2: So there's there's a there there, there's a real situation,
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: and it's fascinating.
[1:00:04] Speaker 4: The volume
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: Mm hmm

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