# Pay The WNBA Players! NFC North Preview, Change Is GOOD For College Football, Late Night TV, The Rise Of AI

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 24 Jul 2025, 45 min.

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Colin is joined by Danny Parkins, co-host of “First Things First” on FS1! They start with the WNBA and their public compensation dispute with the players, and that despite losing money for years…why the league should pay the players as its trajectory soars in the Caitlin Clark era (3:30). They compare the ratings draw of Caitlin Clark games to other sports that rate similarly, and those are all billion dollar industries (6:00). They discuss late night TV in light of the cancellation of The Late Show w/ Stephen Colbert and why the oversaturation of politics in late night changed the audience and revenue. Danny argues that Colbert’s ratings will jump as he becomes a martyr and they debate whether other networks could also pull the plug on late night (12:30). They discuss the rise of AI and the societal implications of the mass changes AI will bring to society, medicine and the economy (30:00). They compare the massive changes AI portends to the changes made to college football in recent years, and why the upside outweighs the downsides (39:00). They pivot to the NFL and why parity in the league is generally a myth. They point out the predictability of knowing which teams will win their divisions, and that even the “surprise” teams aren’t usually surprising (50:00). Finally, they pivot to the NFC North and debate the Bears prospects in a division that has seen major reshuffling (52:15) and talk about Danny’s move to join the crew on First Things First (54:30)! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Live Golf heads to the JCB Golfing Country Club July
[0:06] Speaker 1: twenty five through the twenty eight one of the world's
[0:08] Speaker 1: best new courses. The venue will have its own home team,
[0:11] Speaker 1: Majestics GC, featuring Ryder Cup legends Ian Poulter and Leeland Westwood.
[0:16] Speaker 2: So this is the.
[0:17] Speaker 1: Last event before the season enters its final stretch. So
[0:20] Speaker 1: there is only three events to go after this one,
[0:23] Speaker 1: and it's tight at the top of both leader boards.
[0:25] Speaker 1: So in the individual stakes, Joaquin Nieman leads John Rahm
[0:29] Speaker 1: and Bryson Shambeau. So the field features a total of
[0:31] Speaker 1: fourteen major champions, sixteen Ryder Cup stars including rom To Shambo,
[0:36] Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson, Brooks, Keep Cud, Dustin Johnson. It is an
[0:39] Speaker 1: all star loaded field. If you want to catch any
[0:42] Speaker 1: or all of the drama from the JCB Golfing Country Club,
[0:44] Speaker 1: follow every shot live on Fox Sports. All Right, Danny Parkins,
[0:54] Speaker 1: we got to bring him on about once a month.
[0:56] Speaker 1: We've got some personal news for him that we're going
[0:58] Speaker 1: to circle back and talk about this and a bit.
[1:01] Speaker 1: I want to start about a story that sometimes in
[1:05] Speaker 1: this business, they're little shifts all the time in every business, right,
[1:09] Speaker 1: little shifts, and in our business, August used to be
[1:14] Speaker 1: a pretty fruitful month. You talked a lot of NFL.
[1:17] Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks played at least a little. They played a
[1:20] Speaker 1: lot in Week three, and then Sean McVay decided I'm
[1:23] Speaker 1: not going to play any of my good players. People
[1:26] Speaker 1: criticize him for it. He goes eight to no to
[1:28] Speaker 1: start the season, and everybody goes, yeah, we don't really
[1:31] Speaker 1: need to start any of our players. The season getting longer.
[1:34] Speaker 1: So I blame Sean mcvaigh for making August a really
[1:37] Speaker 1: awful month for sports talk radio. But filling in that
[1:42] Speaker 1: gap is the WNBA, which has now become a regular topic.
[1:46] Speaker 1: I can watch minute to minute our ratings, I can
[1:48] Speaker 1: watch my podcast, I can watch downloads on social and
[1:51] Speaker 1: the WNBA stuff moves a meter. So I find it
[1:55] Speaker 1: interesting that a lot of people are using this as
[1:58] Speaker 1: a reason not to pay the women. Hey, the last
[2:00] Speaker 1: twenty five years, it lost money. And my take is, okay,
[2:05] Speaker 1: I own the volume. If I had a podcast, let's
[2:09] Speaker 1: say it was an eight year contract and it lost
[2:10] Speaker 1: money seven years, and then the podcast added somebody to
[2:15] Speaker 1: last year of the contract and it exploded.
[2:17] Speaker 2: Well, I want my money back. I'm resigning it to
[2:19] Speaker 2: a five year contract.
[2:21] Speaker 1: The whole part of this league is, guys, it was
[2:24] Speaker 1: a choppy, failed league. It's not for the next decade.
[2:28] Speaker 1: Who the hell wants to give up their investment after
[2:32] Speaker 1: all these years of struggling your thoughts on that.
[2:36] Speaker 2: I find it to be fairly obvious what you're saying,
[2:40] Speaker 2: and I don't mean that in an insulting way. Like
[2:44] Speaker 2: they just signed a two billion dollar media rights deal.
[2:49] Speaker 2: They have two hundred and fifty million dollar expansion fees.
[2:54] Speaker 2: The Golden State Valkyries already have a five hundred million
[2:59] Speaker 2: dollar valuation and they don't exist yet. Patrick Mahomes is
[3:05] Speaker 2: openly campaigning that he wants to bring a team to
[3:09] Speaker 2: Kansas City. And his wife is the owner of a
[3:11] Speaker 2: women's soccer league team and they built the first ever
[3:15] Speaker 2: stadium that is its main tenant is a women's professional
[3:18] Speaker 2: soccer team. So he's got some real cachet in capital
[3:21] Speaker 2: in the women's sports space, Like rich people, powerful people
[3:27] Speaker 2: are lining up to invest in the WFBA ratings have
[3:31] Speaker 2: taken off. Caitlin Clark is able to sell out NBA
[3:35] Speaker 2: arenas I know not every other team is, and every
[3:37] Speaker 2: other player is, but like you've got a phenomenon. You've
[3:41] Speaker 2: made the Tiger Woods comparison before. I agree with it,
[3:45] Speaker 2: Like Ernie L's made money off Tiger Woods. Ernie Els
[3:49] Speaker 2: was playing golf professionally before Tiger Woods. But Tiger Woods
[3:53] Speaker 2: changed Ernie ELS's life. He changed VJ. Singh's life, he
[3:57] Speaker 2: changed David Duvall's life. And those were guys that were
[4:00] Speaker 2: older than Tiger, that were on the pro tour before Tiger.
[4:04] Speaker 2: So it's clearly a great business to invest in. It's
[4:09] Speaker 2: clearly growth. How many startups lose money with venture capital
[4:13] Speaker 2: money for years and years and years and it's still like, oh, well,
[4:17] Speaker 2: this company's valued at eight billion dollars, what's its profit? Oh,
[4:21] Speaker 2: they're in the red. And it's like what it happens
[4:24] Speaker 2: all the time. So they're obviously going to get more money.
[4:29] Speaker 2: The question is how much more money. I don't think
[4:31] Speaker 2: you and I can really have an educated opinion on
[4:33] Speaker 2: that without seeing the books on everything. So I find
[4:38] Speaker 2: it all to be kind of disingenuous, like a lot
[4:40] Speaker 2: of the stuff around the WNBA. Obviously they're going to
[4:44] Speaker 2: get more money, and obviously they deserve more money.
[4:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the real point of distinction was that
[4:51] Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark didn't play in the All Star Game and
[4:53] Speaker 1: the ratings were down a million, But the bigger number
[4:57] Speaker 1: was it was still the highest rated All Star game
[4:59] Speaker 1: in nineteen years, meaning she has risen the league's noteworthiness.
[5:05] Speaker 1: It's so redeemable now as a TV product that when
[5:08] Speaker 1: she's not playing, there's people know the league they I
[5:12] Speaker 1: couldn't have told you when the WNBA All Started Game
[5:15] Speaker 1: was three years ago.
[5:15] Speaker 2: I couldn't have picked a month that was in Now
[5:17] Speaker 2: I know now.
[5:18] Speaker 1: I watched highlights on Sports Center this morning when I
[5:21] Speaker 1: was on a treadmill. It was well before NFL highlights
[5:25] Speaker 1: and NFL camp discussions, and it was interesting highlights. It
[5:29] Speaker 1: was New York and the fever. So like I think
[5:31] Speaker 1: you know the word that's been overused as woke. It's like, guys,
[5:34] Speaker 1: it's business. Timing is everything in business. In fact, I
[5:39] Speaker 1: was talking to somebody at a company called Lion Tree
[5:42] Speaker 1: when The New York Times bought the Athletic. The Athletic
[5:45] Speaker 1: was losing forty five million a year. It's still not profitable.
[5:48] Speaker 1: But Trump wasn't in office, Biden was, and the Clicks
[5:51] Speaker 1: went down and the New York Times was like, you
[5:54] Speaker 1: know what, we need more people coming to because there
[5:57] Speaker 1: was a certain standard with Trump where the clicks were
[5:59] Speaker 1: through the roof and subscriptions were up and buy you know,
[6:03] Speaker 1: Sleepy Joe. And it was all of a sudden like, oh,
[6:06] Speaker 1: the investors are like and they went and bought a
[6:10] Speaker 1: company that increased and I think it was a smart buy.
[6:13] Speaker 1: It still doesn't make money. It's all timing. And so
[6:18] Speaker 1: the timing's great. If they'd have been negotiating this deal
[6:20] Speaker 1: an hour before Caitlin Clark was drafted, it'd be a
[6:23] Speaker 1: totally different story.
[6:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it would be. But also, like these
[6:27] Speaker 2: things take time. The NBA. You are old enough to remember, right,
[6:33] Speaker 2: the NBA being and taped away. I remember watching an
[6:37] Speaker 2: NBA Finals game because I strugged. My parents didn't want
[6:40] Speaker 2: me to stay up late at night if they were
[6:43] Speaker 2: on after the news eleven right right right now, the
[6:47] Speaker 2: six o'clock news. These the eleven o'clock news, right, So, like,
[6:50] Speaker 2: these things take time. And your point about the liberty
[6:56] Speaker 2: right is a good one. In Chicago, Angel Reese is
[6:59] Speaker 2: a thing? Is it a thing? Like Caitlin Clark is
[7:01] Speaker 2: a thing? Obviously, not, but like Juju Watkins, that's going
[7:06] Speaker 2: to be a thing. She's obviously got the injury, but
[7:09] Speaker 2: she looks awesome. Asia Wilson is awesome. The league is growing,
[7:13] Speaker 2: and I will even say I don't even want to
[7:16] Speaker 2: pretend like I'm not watching every night yet, but I
[7:19] Speaker 2: do like Caitlin Clark and the phenomenon of it. And
[7:22] Speaker 2: but it's clear that I'm getting more aware of it.
[7:25] Speaker 2: And ESPN has invested into their broadcast talent and their
[7:31] Speaker 2: studio talent, and the college the women's college tournament, same thing.
[7:35] Speaker 2: The presentation is better. So you learn about the characters earlier,
[7:39] Speaker 2: like you learn about the characters in the NBA from
[7:41] Speaker 2: March Madness or in the NFL from college football. Like
[7:45] Speaker 2: there's a there's a lag effect on popularity and growth.
[7:49] Speaker 2: And so if someone said to you, Danny, you could
[7:52] Speaker 2: invest and you could own x percent of a w
[7:54] Speaker 2: NBA team. Obviously I don't have the capital, but if
[7:58] Speaker 2: someone's came to you and say said you want to
[8:00] Speaker 2: buy into five percent of an expansion WNBA team, of
[8:05] Speaker 2: course you would.
[8:07] Speaker 1: I'm trying to buy into the MLS twice, and both
[8:10] Speaker 1: times I wanted to get at thirty five million. The
[8:13] Speaker 1: next time I tried, it was eighty five million. Now
[8:15] Speaker 1: they're five hundred million. I've tried twice. Yeah, so like
[8:20] Speaker 1: it is an obvious buy.
[8:23] Speaker 2: And I just think that so many people have made
[8:28] Speaker 2: a little bit of a cottage industry off of what
[8:30] Speaker 2: you said, being anti woke, and they feel like it's
[8:35] Speaker 2: you're shoving it down our throat or whatever they like.
[8:39] Speaker 2: You don't have to pay attention, you don't have to
[8:43] Speaker 2: like it. But when Caitlin Clark a regular season game,
[8:49] Speaker 2: when she returned from injury, when that game outrates Yankees
[8:54] Speaker 2: Red Sox on Sunday Night Baseball, Yeah, sorry, I don't care.
[9:00] Speaker 2: If it's not for you, it doesn't matter. It's not
[9:03] Speaker 2: even one hundred percent for me. But neither, by the way,
[9:06] Speaker 2: is regular season Yankees Red Sox all the time, right,
[9:09] Speaker 2: Like we we pick and choose what we truly love,
[9:11] Speaker 2: Like I'll watch the valspar right for golf, Like we
[9:14] Speaker 2: all have our different things. We all have only so
[9:16] Speaker 2: much sports capacity. But it's it's an objective fact. If
[9:21] Speaker 2: she can generate ratings that are like lower level college
[9:25] Speaker 2: football games or higher level regular season baseball games, those
[9:29] Speaker 2: are billion dollar businesses. So obviously if she's making seventy
[9:34] Speaker 2: five grand, she's underpaid. It's it's just an obvious story
[9:38] Speaker 2: that people want to get mad about for some unknown reasons.
[9:41] Speaker 1: So another story that I know you'll have a sense
[9:44] Speaker 1: of because I think you like me. Like stand up
[9:46] Speaker 1: comedy and like comedy. I love it, Yeah, I love it.
[9:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[9:51] Speaker 1: I've read Bill Carter's Late Shift, I've watched I've read
[9:55] Speaker 1: every Carson book, a Letterman book, I.
[9:58] Speaker 2: Love it all. So yeah, I assume read Borne Standing
[10:01] Speaker 2: Up with Steve Morris. Yes, I mean not incredible, one
[10:04] Speaker 2: of the best books ever.
[10:06] Speaker 1: So it's interesting I like categorize them like to me,
[10:13] Speaker 1: Letterman had the quickest wit of any of them all time.
[10:16] Speaker 1: Leno did the best monologue in his prime. Ferguson was
[10:20] Speaker 1: the most alpha, with the best energy. Kilbourne was the coolest.
[10:24] Speaker 1: I think Colbert probably has the greatest intellectual depth and bandwidth,
[10:28] Speaker 1: incredibly well read guy. But I think Carson is the
[10:33] Speaker 1: best simply because he did every single thing well. He
[10:37] Speaker 1: was good looking, he was cool, he was powerful, he
[10:41] Speaker 1: was witty, he was so good on the monologue when
[10:43] Speaker 1: when a joke bombed.
[10:45] Speaker 2: He was generally funnier.
[10:46] Speaker 1: He was self deprecating on the stuff that bombed and
[10:49] Speaker 1: this is not really a political tape, but I do think,
[10:54] Speaker 1: unlike Johnny Carson, you do have to sprinkle in some
[10:57] Speaker 1: commentary from time to time on politics. I think the
[11:01] Speaker 1: day of just saying I'm not doing any of it.
[11:04] Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon did not want to do any politics this.
[11:07] Speaker 1: I know this inside the building. But Colbert did and
[11:10] Speaker 1: it raided well, and NBC went to Follon and said,
[11:15] Speaker 1: do some political stuff. So the world has changed. Carson
[11:19] Speaker 1: wasn't around during podcasts in YouTube and I g there's
[11:22] Speaker 1: just more opinions for more people. I don't talk about
[11:25] Speaker 1: politics a lot, but occasionally all dabble in it. But
[11:28] Speaker 1: I do think, and I think most of the guys
[11:32] Speaker 1: that end up doing that, like Conan was a writer
[11:36] Speaker 1: and Colbert was more of a skit guy, Second City, Chicago,
[11:40] Speaker 1: most of them are stand up guys, and I do
[11:44] Speaker 1: think that's an advantage. Letterman did some TV and stand up,
[11:47] Speaker 1: but he was a stand up guy. But I do
[11:49] Speaker 1: think it's fair to say a big part of it's
[11:53] Speaker 1: this when you go to politics, older people like politics
[11:59] Speaker 1: more than younger people. And what has been lost in
[12:01] Speaker 1: this story. They thought Stephen Colbert's audience was going to
[12:06] Speaker 1: be younger than Lettermans, it got a decade older. Letterman's
[12:11] Speaker 1: audience was fifty nine, Colbert's was sixty eight. And my
[12:15] Speaker 1: take is one, that's a lot of politics. And two,
[12:19] Speaker 1: as you know, politics turns off, it's a no fly
[12:23] Speaker 1: zone for a lot of advertisers. So Colbert, this is
[12:26] Speaker 1: not discussed. It's all about Trump, or it's all about
[12:29] Speaker 1: losing money. No, he went political and it made his
[12:33] Speaker 1: audience older, which who what advertisers looking for? Sixty nine
[12:38] Speaker 1: year old viewers, And it hurt advertising. His show, despite
[12:45] Speaker 1: being thirty percent higher, made less than Fallon and Kimmel.
[12:49] Speaker 1: So lost in all of this is the fact you
[12:51] Speaker 1: can talk politics regardless left or right. It hurts advertising.
[12:56] Speaker 1: He had bigger ratings and less revenue because it became
[12:59] Speaker 1: seen as a political show left or right.
[13:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did not know that he build less
[13:06] Speaker 2: than the other shows. I've seen the reports of the
[13:09] Speaker 2: fact that he lost my money. I did not know
[13:11] Speaker 2: that piece of it. Listen, I think they're canceling the
[13:16] Speaker 2: whole show, right, that they're getting out of the business. Yeah,
[13:22] Speaker 2: they're getting out of the business. And while I align
[13:27] Speaker 2: with Colbert's political sensibilities, and I happen to think that
[13:31] Speaker 2: he not only is brilliant and incredibly well read, his
[13:35] Speaker 2: personal story is inspiring, losing his family members in a
[13:41] Speaker 2: plane crash at a young age and coming to grips
[13:43] Speaker 2: with it. The moment of him and Anderson Cooper talking
[13:47] Speaker 2: about grief, which I'm sure people have seen. Uh, He's like,
[13:51] Speaker 2: You've got to be grateful to be alive. So I mean,
[13:53] Speaker 2: you have to be grateful about all of it. So
[13:55] Speaker 2: grief is a gift, and like learning to love the
[13:59] Speaker 2: thing that you've lost, like in the grief that comes
[14:02] Speaker 2: with it. Like I've I've watched that clip in that
[14:04] Speaker 2: interview to deal with the passing of my own brother
[14:08] Speaker 2: and my dad because it happened simultaneously to two separate diseases.
[14:11] Speaker 2: So like I have a ton of respect for Steven
[14:14] Speaker 2: Colbert as a performer and as a person. I think
[14:19] Speaker 2: it sucks for the industry the idea that a corporation
[14:23] Speaker 2: would cave to this on some level, whether it's true
[14:26] Speaker 2: or not. And I don't know how true it is,
[14:28] Speaker 2: because if they were going to fire him, wouldn't they
[14:30] Speaker 2: just take him off the air, like, he's on the
[14:34] Speaker 2: air for the next ten months, right, and they turned
[14:38] Speaker 2: him into a martyr, and every guest is just going
[14:41] Speaker 2: to come on and say FU to their parent company. Yeah,
[14:48] Speaker 2: that doesn't seem like a good idea. We like, you
[14:52] Speaker 2: don't normally get a goodbye The old adage of radio
[14:54] Speaker 2: is you don't get a goodbye show in radio, because
[14:57] Speaker 2: what are you gonna say to your bosses. They're giving
[15:01] Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert ten months that he's going to do some
[15:08] Speaker 2: unbelievably powerful, satirical pointed common His ratings will go up,
[15:13] Speaker 2: and his ratings will go up, his martyrdom, his popularity,
[15:17] Speaker 2: his lettermanesque counterculture cred. It's he's going to be as
[15:22] Speaker 2: popular as he's ever been. So I'm a little surprised
[15:26] Speaker 2: that they're not just straight up pulling the plug and
[15:28] Speaker 2: that they're going to eat crap on their own air
[15:31] Speaker 2: for the next ten months. That was one of the
[15:33] Speaker 2: big takeaways that I had from it, and I just
[15:37] Speaker 2: I think it's a bummer. I just in general, I
[15:42] Speaker 2: never stay up to watch Late Night. I don't stay
[15:44] Speaker 2: up to watch Saturday Night Live anymore. Anything that matters
[15:47] Speaker 2: you get it in your algorithm. You get it on YouTube,
[15:49] Speaker 2: you get it on demand. That's the way of the world.
[15:51] Speaker 2: But as someone who does really appreciate the history of it,
[15:56] Speaker 2: like you referenced and the art form, that's a hard job.
[16:01] Speaker 1: Well it's also a job when he pivoted to politics again,
[16:06] Speaker 1: whatever side do you think of? The audience got older
[16:09] Speaker 1: advertisers turned off and you don't. Also, you don't see
[16:13] Speaker 1: a lot of Stephen Colbert clips on social you don't, right.
[16:17] Speaker 2: Fallin old.
[16:20] Speaker 1: It's because his show got old and young people they
[16:24] Speaker 1: get those clips fed and old audiences don't.
[16:27] Speaker 2: So yeah, but there's but you know what though, like
[16:32] Speaker 2: John Oliver is popular with young people and does very
[16:36] Speaker 2: well on social like people you want, she does those
[16:39] Speaker 2: twenty minute twenty five minute story like you know, deep
[16:42] Speaker 2: die of John Oliver things they're not.
[16:44] Speaker 1: There are a lot of times they're they're almost corporate
[16:47] Speaker 1: and cultural, like he'll take on a singular cultural thing
[16:50] Speaker 1: and it's not political a lot.
[16:52] Speaker 2: It's just like he's I mean, he leans left, no question.
[16:56] Speaker 1: But I when I think of John Oliver, and obviously
[17:02] Speaker 1: like a lot like most media, not a Trump fan,
[17:05] Speaker 1: but I think Colbert. When I think of Colbert, I
[17:08] Speaker 1: think of politics. I don't want to, no doubt. I mean, listen,
[17:11] Speaker 1: Colbert was struggling in the ratings. You know this is
[17:16] Speaker 1: well documented. He's talked about it. He was struggling in
[17:19] Speaker 1: the ratings. He was third behind Fallon and Kimmel. And
[17:23] Speaker 1: he hosted the live election show Showtime in twenty sixteen
[17:30] Speaker 1: and kind of processed it in real time and that
[17:33] Speaker 1: went like super megaviral, and then everyone tuned into his
[17:38] Speaker 1: monologue on his first late show after it. It did
[17:42] Speaker 1: massive ratings, and he's basically been number one for a
[17:45] Speaker 1: lot of the whole Trump era. So there's no question
[17:50] Speaker 1: he's the most political person in late And I like Kimmel.
[17:54] Speaker 1: Kimmel has been political and has been like held up
[17:57] Speaker 1: as a but he's very he's very holy. Would he
[18:00] Speaker 1: does the oscars, He's I think of him as Hollywood
[18:03] Speaker 1: and Colbert as political.
[18:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. Like he's Kimmel has done
[18:10] Speaker 2: more politics than he probably ever thought he would do.
[18:13] Speaker 2: But you're right, he's l a cool mancho background, right, Like, Yeah,
[18:18] Speaker 2: there's definitely that difference for him. But I just I
[18:21] Speaker 2: hope that Colbert, it'll be very interesting because you you
[18:24] Speaker 2: kind of you mentioned Conan a little bit at the end,
[18:25] Speaker 2: like Conan was my favorite. Just a generational guy, brilliant
[18:30] Speaker 2: counter culture, not really political at all, just hilarious. And
[18:37] Speaker 2: he's found such relevance on The Coco and Conan O'Brien
[18:42] Speaker 2: as a friend and podcast and his serious deal. I
[18:46] Speaker 2: hope Stephen Colbert does one more project, will in the
[18:51] Speaker 2: in the in the digital space. I hope he does. Yeah.
[18:54] Speaker 1: No, I was not a Conan O'Brien fan initially, but
[18:58] Speaker 1: I find I found that when he moved and recreated
[19:02] Speaker 1: the show and then his podcast venture, I find him
[19:05] Speaker 1: much more appealing. I think there was like I think
[19:08] Speaker 1: Johnny Carson and Letterman were always so uncomfortable sitting at
[19:12] Speaker 1: a desk. I never thought Leno was, and I rarely
[19:16] Speaker 1: thought Conan was. Conan's a writer. Leno's the classic stand
[19:20] Speaker 1: up guy. Letterman did local television. He was good behind
[19:23] Speaker 1: a desk. And Carson, I mean he just that's the
[19:26] Speaker 1: only way that that's kind of the way you did
[19:28] Speaker 1: it right back then. Some guys are Leto was successful
[19:31] Speaker 1: great monologues for about fifteen years, but I never was
[19:35] Speaker 1: comfortable watching him. I just the show to me was
[19:38] Speaker 1: clunky and I have great respect for him.
[19:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean his you know, he was number one,
[19:45] Speaker 2: he would beat Letterman. But Letterman, like Leno, was revered
[19:50] Speaker 2: for his early stand up stuff because a grinder, you know,
[19:55] Speaker 2: lived off of his stand up money, never spent a
[19:58] Speaker 2: time of the Tonight Show, you know, would do two
[20:00] Speaker 2: hundred gigs a year while doing the Tonight Show. So
[20:03] Speaker 2: just like a workaholic, a relentless joke writer, all of
[20:08] Speaker 2: those types of things. But he was so concerned with
[20:11] Speaker 2: being number one and mass appeal, which is obviously what
[20:15] Speaker 2: your bosses want for you in that job. I would
[20:18] Speaker 2: have like, not that anyone asked me, but it'd be
[20:22] Speaker 2: so much cooler to be David Letterman than Jay Leno,
[20:25] Speaker 2: even though you would have to like live with being
[20:27] Speaker 2: number two. And you and I live in the world
[20:29] Speaker 2: of ratings. Letterman I look at is iconic, and well,
[20:33] Speaker 2: they'll they'll talk about him in one hundred years. I'm
[20:36] Speaker 2: not sure that people are going to talk about their
[20:38] Speaker 2: favorite Jay Leno bit in one hundred Yes.
[20:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen Leonard new stand up in Vegas a
[20:43] Speaker 1: couple of times. He is a he's a machine at it.
[20:46] Speaker 1: He is He's like the best batting practice hitter of
[20:49] Speaker 1: all time, Like it's just bang bang bang bang. It's
[20:52] Speaker 1: just so easy for him. And yeah, so it's the
[20:57] Speaker 1: whole thing, is I mean, listen, it's I.
[20:59] Speaker 2: I do you think the other Do you think the
[21:01] Speaker 2: other networks are going to get out of the business,
[21:03] Speaker 2: Because if it's true that Colbert was just straight up
[21:05] Speaker 2: losing money but he was the highest rated, well, but
[21:09] Speaker 2: are they about to cancel Fallon and Kimmel two?
[21:12] Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think so. First of all, Fallon show
[21:15] Speaker 1: is incredibly easy to sell because he does no politics
[21:18] Speaker 1: and it does very well with young demos. Colbert's show
[21:21] Speaker 1: was political with old demos, hard sell. So Fallon's the
[21:24] Speaker 1: opposite of Colbert in terms of ability to sell it.
[21:28] Speaker 1: I think Kimmel's somewhere in between. He does more politics
[21:31] Speaker 1: than his network likes, but he's very pop. I mean,
[21:34] Speaker 1: like movie studios love Kimmel. They can put all their
[21:38] Speaker 1: Superman stars or Sinners or Kimmel's totally tied into that.
[21:43] Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I don't necessarily think it's
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[23:14] Speaker 1: You know, I have this thing like like I'll give
[23:19] Speaker 1: you AI. I am a believer that there are certain
[23:22] Speaker 1: things in life that your opinion on it will tell
[23:27] Speaker 1: me what kind of personality you have. AI is one
[23:30] Speaker 1: of them. Like, if your take on AI is we're
[23:35] Speaker 1: all gonna die, We're gonna get eaten by robots, you
[23:38] Speaker 1: are largely neurotic and fear based. If you are me,
[23:44] Speaker 1: I think AI is going to change the world for
[23:46] Speaker 1: the better because I'm not neurotic, I'm not fear based.
[23:49] Speaker 1: I'm kind of a risk taker. And the truth is,
[23:54] Speaker 1: I'm very comfortable with non traditional stuff and new stuff
[23:57] Speaker 1: because I'm a divorced kid.
[23:59] Speaker 2: I didn't go to church. I'm agnostic. I didn't grow
[24:02] Speaker 2: up with this great white picket fence. Like ninety percent
[24:04] Speaker 2: of people did in America. I didn't.
[24:06] Speaker 1: So I've been on my own seemingly forever. My dad
[24:09] Speaker 1: wasn't in my life, you know, I've just been I've
[24:12] Speaker 1: lived in seven six states, so I'm very comfortable with
[24:16] Speaker 1: constant change. So is my wife. That's where we get
[24:19] Speaker 1: along so well. And so there are people that look
[24:22] Speaker 1: at AI. They've lived in the same hometown. They don't
[24:26] Speaker 1: like change. There's a rigidity about them. They're freaking out
[24:28] Speaker 1: about AI and so and I. And the reason I
[24:32] Speaker 1: bring this up because you can't go anywhere in the
[24:34] Speaker 1: world right now, any space without AI dominating. And now
[24:40] Speaker 1: that I've potentially marginalized you, if you don't share my opinion,
[24:46] Speaker 1: how do you view AI. I think it will change
[24:50] Speaker 1: medical history. I think space and medicine will benefit incredibly well.
[24:55] Speaker 1: We'll learn more about space the next five years than
[24:58] Speaker 1: we have in the last one hundred.
[25:00] Speaker 2: Same for medicine. Okay, So yeah, I mean you you
[25:04] Speaker 2: at at the very end there, you kind of got
[25:06] Speaker 2: to where I was going to go. I don't at
[25:08] Speaker 2: all claim to be an expert on this. I've just
[25:10] Speaker 2: gotten better at it in the last few years. For
[25:12] Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't know my brother Brad a couple of
[25:16] Speaker 2: years ago, passed away from glioblastoma. Gleoblastoma is it's terminal
[25:21] Speaker 2: brain cancer. It's cancer without a cure. It's one of
[25:24] Speaker 2: the worst types of cancer you can get. It has
[25:28] Speaker 2: a one hundred percent mortality rate. I've joined a Chicago
[25:34] Speaker 2: based brain cancer charity called brain Up. I'm on the
[25:37] Speaker 2: board of directors. We raised money to fund clinical trials.
[25:43] Speaker 2: Obviously I can do the fundraising piece of it and
[25:46] Speaker 2: the publicity piece of it. But I obviously when the
[25:50] Speaker 2: mal Naughty Brain Tumor Institute at Northwestern University submits a
[25:53] Speaker 2: clinical trial and they ask for five hundred grand, obviously
[25:56] Speaker 2: I'm not qualified to be like that's a good trial.
[25:59] Speaker 2: So we have a medical advisory board of neuroncologists from
[26:04] Speaker 2: around the country who volunteer their time, and they look
[26:08] Speaker 2: at the submissions from Russia, m d Anderson, Loyola, the
[26:12] Speaker 2: Chicago hospitals, and they're like, that's been tried at Duke.
[26:17] Speaker 2: That's bad science. Oh, that's pretty intriguing. You should fund
[26:21] Speaker 2: that one and way more often in the last year
[26:28] Speaker 2: of these calls that I'm occasionally on than the first
[26:31] Speaker 2: two years of the calls, I was on these people
[26:35] Speaker 2: are talking about AI. They really believe that they because
[26:39] Speaker 2: the brain is a supercomputer. They really believe that now
[26:45] Speaker 2: that we are doing some things. And this is a
[26:47] Speaker 2: little more in the weeds than maybe you wanted. I apologize,
[26:50] Speaker 2: Like there work. They can kind of get through the
[26:52] Speaker 2: blood brain barrier now with some ultra sound, and they
[26:54] Speaker 2: can get medicine to parts of the brain that they
[26:56] Speaker 2: otherwise had hit all of history, had not been able
[26:59] Speaker 2: to get it too. They think that they might be
[27:02] Speaker 2: able to with AI figure out how our brains are
[27:05] Speaker 2: wired and really make some headway in that space which
[27:09] Speaker 2: we have I mean Parkinson's, Alzheimer's brain tumors, Like it
[27:16] Speaker 2: has the potential to change everything with neurological disorders and
[27:21] Speaker 2: that's all AI. So like when people say it's going
[27:26] Speaker 2: to kill us all or it might save us all,
[27:30] Speaker 2: you know, like there's a real they're like, you can
[27:35] Speaker 2: I would be afraid of AI. This is a bad
[27:39] Speaker 2: example because it's already been replaced. Maybe, but like toll
[27:42] Speaker 2: booth worker is not really a job anymore. It's automated
[27:46] Speaker 2: technology killed that job, right, we have easy pass ipass whatever.
[27:51] Speaker 2: Clearly there are going to be jobs that get just
[27:55] Speaker 2: get cut coders. Yes, because the machines can do it
[28:01] Speaker 2: now that I have empathy for sure, But you know
[28:06] Speaker 2: what I mean. So I don't know that it's necessarily
[28:08] Speaker 2: one hundred percent a personality profile thing what you're talking about,
[28:12] Speaker 2: because I think if you work in a hey, I
[28:14] Speaker 2: assemble this thing and then it's like, well, now we've
[28:18] Speaker 2: got a robot who can assemble this thing and they
[28:21] Speaker 2: don't get hurt, and they four hours than they're not
[28:23] Speaker 2: in a union.
[28:25] Speaker 1: A business partner of mine, I was golfing with him
[28:27] Speaker 1: in Rhode Island, so he was thinking of opening up
[28:31] Speaker 1: a coffee roaster in Rhode Island. So it would have
[28:34] Speaker 1: been years ago. He would have paid a consultant twenty
[28:37] Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, waited three weeks, and gotten a report
[28:41] Speaker 1: back eighty pages were eight pages. He sat down with
[28:46] Speaker 1: AI for an hour, fed all the information. A day
[28:50] Speaker 1: later he got an eighty page report for free on everything, economy,
[28:58] Speaker 1: people living within twelve miles, companies that would be aligned.
[29:03] Speaker 1: He was like Colin, it was eighty pages, the most
[29:08] Speaker 1: thorile thing I've ever seen. It was free, He goes.
[29:12] Speaker 1: That would have been twenty five thousand, He goes, I'm
[29:14] Speaker 1: an I'm just a businessman. I'm a small businessman, so
[29:17] Speaker 1: I think coding and consulting are in big trouble. Outside
[29:22] Speaker 1: of that, I have no idea. You know, you read
[29:25] Speaker 1: stories about white collar jobs. But I guess my point
[29:28] Speaker 1: to start this kind of you know rant, is that
[29:34] Speaker 1: when you go to the internet these days, you can
[29:36] Speaker 1: see it with politics and sports, there are people that
[29:39] Speaker 1: are just have a lot of anxiety. They're neurotic, and
[29:42] Speaker 1: whatever is introduced to the market, they have a negative reaction.
[29:47] Speaker 2: And I've really.
[29:48] Speaker 1: Noticed it with AI that the people that I follow
[29:51] Speaker 1: I think of as entrepreneurial and kind of optimistic.
[29:55] Speaker 2: They love it.
[29:57] Speaker 1: And the people that I've followed that tend to be,
[30:00] Speaker 1: you know, kind of a buzzkill on the internet. It's
[30:03] Speaker 1: going to end. And the truth is the reality may
[30:07] Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle. But when I go to
[30:10] Speaker 1: the Internet and people give me a reaction, the first thing,
[30:15] Speaker 1: and if it's a strong reaction, I have to it.
[30:17] Speaker 1: The first thing I do is go look at their
[30:19] Speaker 1: last fifty posts. I do that all the time.
[30:23] Speaker 2: Person, Are you yeah? And I really think so.
[30:26] Speaker 1: I find AI fascinating, not by what it can do
[30:30] Speaker 1: because a lot of it's so complicated. I don't understand it,
[30:32] Speaker 1: but people's reaction to it.
[30:35] Speaker 2: And yeah, people people generally speaking, fear what they don't understand.
[30:40] Speaker 2: You know, maybe you don't, but I think a huge
[30:45] Speaker 2: percentage of people fear fear what they don't understand, and
[30:49] Speaker 2: it's complicated and you don't know where it's going to go.
[30:55] Speaker 2: It clearly is the type of thing though that is
[30:58] Speaker 2: like a tool, right, It's going to make some things
[31:02] Speaker 2: worse and a lot of things better. Your small business
[31:07] Speaker 2: owner example is a great one. It's going to help
[31:10] Speaker 2: that guy's business. How about this the Internet. It has
[31:13] Speaker 2: killed retail, but it took twenty five years, Like it
[31:18] Speaker 2: killed malls, but it didn't do it in two years.
[31:21] Speaker 2: And the people that were invested in malls, that paid
[31:23] Speaker 2: attention fifteen years ago were getting out of malls right like, so.
[31:28] Speaker 1: They got out of the business. So you're going to
[31:30] Speaker 1: have a heads up on stuff. Nothing happens overnight. Even
[31:33] Speaker 1: if it kills consultants, it will be over a decade
[31:37] Speaker 1: that it will kill consultants because not everybody's going to
[31:39] Speaker 1: use AI. Just look, it took our grandpa and our
[31:41] Speaker 1: Dad's years to figure out the Internet. So things just
[31:45] Speaker 1: everything needs to bake. You'll give you an example of
[31:48] Speaker 1: this in sports. So when the college football Playoff was
[31:52] Speaker 1: announced for twelve teams eventually fourteen sixteen, it cut right
[31:56] Speaker 1: down the middle. There were the people like myself that
[31:58] Speaker 1: are like, oh, this is awesome. December is gonna be awesome.
[32:01] Speaker 1: These bowl games are so dried up, Like we got
[32:04] Speaker 1: forty five bowl games.
[32:05] Speaker 2: I watched four.
[32:08] Speaker 1: I thought it was obvious, like December now is going
[32:13] Speaker 1: to be even better in December's great with NFL playoffs,
[32:16] Speaker 1: And we saw that to be true.
[32:18] Speaker 2: But there was another group.
[32:19] Speaker 1: Including a lot of the media, that said, oh, it's
[32:21] Speaker 1: gonna kill rivalries. And my take is when Texas played
[32:26] Speaker 1: Georgia last year was the highest rated game, right, I
[32:28] Speaker 1: think before the National Championship. That's not a rivalry. People
[32:32] Speaker 1: watch good. When Texas plays Ohio State on Fox over
[32:35] Speaker 1: the Labor Day weekend, people watch good, and they'll watch
[32:39] Speaker 1: it a second time. You watched the Oregon Ohio State
[32:41] Speaker 1: the first time, well it was a terrible game, but
[32:44] Speaker 1: you'll watch it the second time. So my take is
[32:46] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We watched NFL football teams can play
[32:49] Speaker 1: three times in a season. I remember years the Steelers
[32:51] Speaker 1: and Ravens played three times. I watched all of them,
[32:54] Speaker 1: so that's like to me. I was shocked by the
[32:59] Speaker 1: number of people that college football fans, like diehards or
[33:02] Speaker 1: media that we're like, this is bad, it will kill urgency. Well,
[33:06] Speaker 1: what it actually did is it allows teams now like
[33:10] Speaker 1: Ohio State and Texas to play Opening Week and whoever
[33:14] Speaker 1: loses is fine. There'll be more big games in December
[33:19] Speaker 1: and more big games in September. Do you think it
[33:24] Speaker 1: makes the week one game less big?
[33:26] Speaker 2: Though? I watch great? I know, I know you do.
[33:32] Speaker 2: You are a super fan of college football. Michigan Ohio State.
[33:39] Speaker 2: Last year, the loser of the game wins the national Championship. Yeah,
[33:47] Speaker 2: and on some level, not to a Michigan fan and
[33:51] Speaker 2: not to an Ohio State fan, but to a guy
[33:54] Speaker 2: who went to Syracuse, it did take away, and I
[33:58] Speaker 2: watched it and I will still watch it. It did
[34:00] Speaker 2: take away a little bit of the first Michigan Ohio
[34:04] Speaker 2: State game because it objectively matters less, but.
[34:09] Speaker 1: It didn't take it away in the moment as Michigan
[34:13] Speaker 1: was shocking them as a twenty point dog, it didn't hurt.
[34:16] Speaker 1: Then in retrospect you look back and go, well, it
[34:19] Speaker 1: doesn't feel as big. Well, that's like saying a year
[34:21] Speaker 1: after you got a Christmas present, I don't feel the
[34:23] Speaker 1: same today as I did a year ago when I
[34:24] Speaker 1: got the Christmas present.
[34:26] Speaker 2: No, I know, but I guess. But you take the
[34:28] Speaker 2: lesson and you go forward with it and you say
[34:31] Speaker 2: there's there is some like like the NFL has expanded
[34:35] Speaker 2: the playoffs right, easier to get in. We love the playoffs.
[34:38] Speaker 2: It's more football Week seventeen was terrible because most of
[34:45] Speaker 2: the teams were like sitting, were sitting guys and team
[34:49] Speaker 2: teams have been a limited and it's like, oh, well,
[34:51] Speaker 2: what's the difference between being the five seed and the
[34:53] Speaker 2: sixth seed? Like we're in, it doesn't matter. We're gonna still,
[34:56] Speaker 2: we're gonna sit guys, We're gonna play guys for a quarter.
[34:59] Speaker 2: So I think there is a trade off that comes
[35:03] Speaker 2: with more games and all that, and with college football. Listen,
[35:06] Speaker 2: I understood. I always was like, more games, I am
[35:09] Speaker 2: going to watch, more big games, more big games I
[35:13] Speaker 2: am going to watch. But I had a hard time
[35:17] Speaker 2: with the college football argument for the expansion of the
[35:20] Speaker 2: playoffs was like, how many times in the BCS era
[35:25] Speaker 2: even did you feel like the fifth best team in
[35:29] Speaker 2: the country deserved a shot at being the national champion.
[35:34] Speaker 2: I didn't think that it existed. And so if your
[35:37] Speaker 2: argument is, well, expand the tournament, get them in, and
[35:41] Speaker 2: then any given Sunday they can or any given Saturday
[35:44] Speaker 2: they can win it, that's fine. But then it does
[35:48] Speaker 2: take away a little bit of the regular season to me,
[35:51] Speaker 2: And again I will watch, but I get My guess
[35:54] Speaker 2: is as they keep expanding this playoff, people will come
[35:57] Speaker 2: away with it. It'll when together and the right The
[36:02] Speaker 2: Week six game is not going to feel as big.
[36:05] Speaker 1: But in mid October, double the number of teams to
[36:12] Speaker 1: triple are still in the hunt for a fourteen game
[36:16] Speaker 1: playoff or a twelve game playoff. Where it used to
[36:18] Speaker 1: be if you lost a game in September, you lost
[36:22] Speaker 1: another when you were done, and so the last weeks
[36:26] Speaker 1: of the season you're out and going to talk. Now
[36:28] Speaker 1: like Ohio State loses to Oregon, then they lose to Michigan,
[36:33] Speaker 1: You're like, shit, oh my god, Ryan Day's going to
[36:37] Speaker 1: get fired if they lose the Tennessee. So the story
[36:40] Speaker 1: went from winning to Ryan Day's getting blought. Oh they
[36:43] Speaker 1: just blew up Tennessee. Well he better beat Orgon. Oh
[36:45] Speaker 1: they blew him out, Well they better beat So the
[36:48] Speaker 1: story changed from just the game to are they going
[36:50] Speaker 1: to blow up Ryan Day's career? So to me that
[36:53] Speaker 1: it pivoted from okay, Ohio State still going to get in.
[36:59] Speaker 1: But remember the right before the Tennessee game, Ryan Day
[37:01] Speaker 1: can't lose respired, So there was a different drama. It
[37:05] Speaker 1: wasn't and nobody thought Ohio State, most people even in
[37:08] Speaker 1: Columbus didn't think they were gonna win on Natty. After
[37:10] Speaker 1: losing the Michigan people were like, no, they were like
[37:14] Speaker 1: going overboard.
[37:18] Speaker 2: Yeah they were. It was insane and now you're gonna
[37:21] Speaker 2: get games like like Arizona State's gonna you know, they
[37:25] Speaker 2: made it and it was a nice story. And then
[37:28] Speaker 2: the spread in the game was like twenty points, right
[37:31] Speaker 2: for a college football playoff game? It does it? Just
[37:34] Speaker 2: it doesn't. That part of it is gonna feel a
[37:39] Speaker 2: little weird to me because can they win? Yes, But like,
[37:45] Speaker 2: was there any part of you that thought that Arizona
[37:48] Speaker 2: State could have gone on a run and won the
[37:51] Speaker 2: national champion? No? But but okay, zero zero part of you.
[37:56] Speaker 2: So it felt a little bit like a waste of time.
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[38:07] Speaker 1: of the Colin Coward Podcast. Okay, but I think there's
[38:11] Speaker 1: only five teams that can win the Super Bowl next year.
[38:14] Speaker 1: Going into the season, I think Kansas City not true.
[38:17] Speaker 2: That's just not true.
[38:18] Speaker 1: Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore are. They've just got better players,
[38:23] Speaker 1: better coaches. I think we both think Denver and the
[38:26] Speaker 1: Chargers are interesting, but bow Nick's hoisting a trophy seems rare.
[38:30] Speaker 1: We know Philadelphia is really really good, and McVeigh and
[38:33] Speaker 1: the Rams will be there, and then there'll be a
[38:36] Speaker 1: couple of really interesting teams. I don't think brock Purdy
[38:38] Speaker 1: now with an older team and a shaky old line works.
[38:42] Speaker 1: But I've been arguing this for years. There's way less
[38:45] Speaker 1: parody in the NFL than everybody thinks. And the reason
[38:47] Speaker 1: I know that because for the second year in a role,
[38:49] Speaker 1: I can pick the division winners easily in the AFC,
[38:53] Speaker 1: and it's getting to the point picking division winners in
[38:56] Speaker 1: the NFL.
[38:56] Speaker 2: Six of eight is not that difficult. Okay, but do
[39:02] Speaker 2: you think Washington could have won the Super Bowl last year?
[39:04] Speaker 1: No, there's always a shocking team. I had picked the
[39:08] Speaker 1: Rams the year before as the shocking team. I picked,
[39:10] Speaker 1: by the way last year, Washington and Denver to be
[39:14] Speaker 1: the shocking teams.
[39:15] Speaker 2: How did I do that? Well? Because I think they.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Were so poorly run with Van Snyder that all the
[39:20] Speaker 1: New Guys' easy division wins against Dallas and the Giants.
[39:24] Speaker 1: So I actually picked Washington and Denver to be much better.
[39:27] Speaker 1: Like this year. I think it's obvious New England and
[39:29] Speaker 1: Tennessee are going to double their win total, so even
[39:32] Speaker 1: the surprises are pretty I've done four years in a
[39:35] Speaker 1: row where I've picked the double.
[39:36] Speaker 2: Year win team. It's going to be New England this
[39:38] Speaker 2: year and.
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[40:05] Speaker 1: So let's let's go to struggle.
[40:07] Speaker 2: I I I don't. I find the division very weird.
[40:15] Speaker 2: Oh listen, I mean we could go we could do
[40:18] Speaker 2: the listen, well, we'll do a lot of Bears at
[40:20] Speaker 2: some point before the year. Here's the thing, big advantage
[40:23] Speaker 2: of the Bears.
[40:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, they got a lot better JJ McCarthy, you're going
[40:29] Speaker 1: to see it very quickly. Is not what people think.
[40:34] Speaker 1: And the Lions lost both coordinators. So whereas we look
[40:38] Speaker 1: at the AFC West and go, god, that's a good division,
[40:41] Speaker 1: we say that about the NFC North, we don't know
[40:46] Speaker 1: about Jordan Love. We really don't. JJ McCarthy is a
[40:50] Speaker 1: c quarterback. You ever seen JJ McCarthy's fourth quarter college
[40:53] Speaker 1: stats and playing from behind fourth quarter stats in college.
[40:57] Speaker 1: With Michigan and Harbor on that on line, they're terrible.
[41:00] Speaker 1: Detroit's pulling back because they're on line in the middle
[41:03] Speaker 1: is a mess. And they lost both coordinators. That is
[41:08] Speaker 1: a is a real bonus. That division we think is
[41:11] Speaker 1: really well, it's well coached. I think the Bears have
[41:15] Speaker 1: an opportunity to win ten or eleven games. I don't
[41:18] Speaker 1: think it's as good a division as people think.
[41:20] Speaker 2: Well, then they would be a double ye win team
[41:23] Speaker 2: if they can get to double digits. I mean, I
[41:26] Speaker 2: think that having the level of coaching in that division
[41:29] Speaker 2: is just very, very very high, And so I think
[41:32] Speaker 2: that that makes the worst team in that division. Like,
[41:35] Speaker 2: let's say you're right about JJ McCarthy, he still is
[41:40] Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell, Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson. Like they got
[41:47] Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins to be near five thousand yards, they got
[41:50] Speaker 2: Sam Darnold one hundred million dollars. Like JJ McCarthy doesn't
[41:53] Speaker 2: need to be awesome in order for that offense to
[41:56] Speaker 2: be pretty good. And let's say Minnesota is the worst
[41:58] Speaker 2: team in the division this year, they won fourteen games
[42:01] Speaker 2: last year, it's it's it's a pretty good worst team
[42:05] Speaker 2: if that's what they are, Or if the Bearers are
[42:07] Speaker 2: the worst team in the division, that's a pretty tough
[42:10] Speaker 2: worst team. So like, even if they're not top heavy dominant,
[42:14] Speaker 2: I don't see there being any team in that division
[42:16] Speaker 2: that's just like straight up bad. There's no Cleveland Browns
[42:19] Speaker 2: in that division. You know, there's there's there's no there's
[42:21] Speaker 2: no Jets, there's no Giants, there's no push over there.
[42:25] Speaker 2: So I think that's what's going to make it tough
[42:26] Speaker 2: is that they each ste have to play each other
[42:28] Speaker 2: six times, and the team that does the best in
[42:30] Speaker 2: that division might go four and two. You know, they
[42:32] Speaker 2: might just beat each other up this year. Finally, two
[42:35] Speaker 2: minutes left, Yeah you get or two over? Yeah, go ahead.
[42:40] Speaker 1: So you have been added to First Things First. They're
[42:43] Speaker 1: expanding it by an hour as three shows were eliminated.
[42:48] Speaker 1: Casualties of TV always ugly and always rough. You're a survivor.
[42:54] Speaker 1: You go to the First Thing's first show, which has
[42:56] Speaker 1: great chemistry that I remember when I heard this about out,
[43:02] Speaker 1: probably a day before you did. I was like, oh,
[43:05] Speaker 1: this is gonna be a good show. That's where you
[43:06] Speaker 1: put Danny Parkins.
[43:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[43:09] Speaker 1: I think I knew a day before you, but I
[43:11] Speaker 1: was sworn a secrecy, so it wasn't like I had
[43:13] Speaker 1: bad news. I had good news. I just didn't want
[43:15] Speaker 1: to share good news. So your takeaway on it, I
[43:19] Speaker 1: think it's literally a perfect fit for you. It's like
[43:21] Speaker 1: adding to a really good baseball lineup, a good three hitter, Like, Okay,
[43:25] Speaker 1: you're not leading off or cleanup, but you're a good
[43:27] Speaker 1: three hitter.
[43:28] Speaker 2: You're Joe Morgan. You'll deliver runs. Happy to be Joe Morgan. Listen.
[43:35] Speaker 2: I mean, it's surreal. First things First, is arguably the
[43:42] Speaker 2: best show in sports TV. Yeah, fronted by my best
[43:47] Speaker 2: friend for twenty years, and I'm getting added to it.
[43:51] Speaker 2: So it's a tremendous honor. I will do everything in
[43:55] Speaker 2: my power not to mess it up because they've got
[43:57] Speaker 2: an incredibly good thing going. It's fun to create a
[43:59] Speaker 2: new thing. Obviously, I'm bummed about breakfast Ball, and we
[44:04] Speaker 2: were having fun and was looking forward to another football
[44:07] Speaker 2: season to see what we could build there. It's a
[44:10] Speaker 2: very tough business and I'm just really thankful and excited
[44:13] Speaker 2: for the opportunity. And like that's a cliche, but the
[44:17] Speaker 2: first things first, The production team is incredible. Wild's is
[44:20] Speaker 2: a TV genius. Everyone in the world loves Brew. He's
[44:24] Speaker 2: just in a good mood every day. Nick is one
[44:27] Speaker 2: of those talented people in media. And like I said,
[44:30] Speaker 2: it's just going to be fun to be out there
[44:31] Speaker 2: with my best friend. How embarrassing is going to be
[44:34] Speaker 2: for Nick when I beat him in Football Picks again
[44:37] Speaker 2: on his show? Oh my god, it's going to be glorious.
[44:41] Speaker 2: It's going to be so glorious. Colin, did you have
[44:43] Speaker 2: a last year ever picking games? Last year was my
[44:47] Speaker 2: best year, epper. Yes, yes, sixty five percent against the
[44:50] Speaker 2: spread and no big, that's not that's really good. It
[44:54] Speaker 2: was really good. It was really really good, and I
[44:57] Speaker 2: think it. You know, how do you go up from there?
[45:00] Speaker 2: Sixty six percent, that's the goal.
[45:03] Speaker 1: That's just just to watch because Nick takes so much
[45:06] Speaker 1: pride in his picks, I know he does.
[45:08] Speaker 2: He can't beat. Yeah, he had a good year. He
[45:10] Speaker 2: was over sixty percent last year, which was good enough
[45:12] Speaker 2: for second place.
[45:15] Speaker 1: Danny Parkins FS one. First things first, the newest member
[45:20] Speaker 1: could see anybody. Good seeing you, Colin.
[45:22] Speaker 2: Thank you

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