# Deandre Ayton Joins Lakers, Will Giannis Stay With Bucks? NFL Snow Games, NBA West WAY Better Than East

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 3 Jul 2025, 1 h 01 min.

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Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “Breakfast Ball” on FS1! They start by reacting to the news that the Lakers signed former #1 overall pick DeAndre Ayton to a two year deal and argue that you can’t get away with being a small team in a western conference that’s loaded with talented bigs (4:00). They highlight why it’s a low-risk, buy-low proposition for the Lakers where playing with LeBron and Luka could help revitalize Ayton’s career (10:30). They discuss the massive gap between the western and eastern conferences in the NBA and the reasons driving the disparity, (14:30) and debate whether the top player in the east (Giannis) can power the Bucks to a finals appearance with Jayson Tatum out (26:00). They also talk about why the teams that have traded star players for assets almost always lose the trade and caution the Bucks about trading Giannis. They pivot to the NFL and the backlash to the Browns plan to build a domed stadium and debate whether the tradition of snow & bad weather games is worth keeping in a quarterback driven era of football (34:00). Danny hijacks the conversation to congratulate Colin on his induction in the Radio Hall of Fame and his decades of success and Colin reflects on his journey into the business starting as a kid (44:00). They discuss the rumors of Dawn Staley potentially being a candidate for head coach of the Knicks, why there are no female coaches in men's sports, whether that could change in the near future and the challenges facing female coaches in men’s sports (51:30). Finally, Colin argues that while the transfer portal has been good for college sports but requires some limitations and they debate whether money in college athletics has made it a better or worse product (1:02:00). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #Herd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[1:05] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:05] Speaker 1: One of my favorite guys, Danny Parkins breakfast Ball FS one.
[1:11] Speaker 1: As I told a Stroy before, try to recruit him
[1:13] Speaker 1: to the volume, but he was very pricey. The free
[1:15] Speaker 1: agent market was very competitive and we couldn't land him
[1:18] Speaker 1: years ago. So he's a teammate now, so let's go
[1:21] Speaker 1: into it. DeAndre Ayton, who I don't think necessarily is
[1:24] Speaker 1: a good fit. Laker fans are banging on the table.
[1:27] Speaker 1: You've got to do something, You've got to do something,
[1:29] Speaker 1: You've got to do something, and they do want to
[1:32] Speaker 1: do something. They want to sign Luca this summer, but
[1:35] Speaker 1: they don't. They really the Lakers are literally trapped. So
[1:39] Speaker 1: they signed DeAndre Ayton a buyout. Blazers bought him out.
[1:44] Speaker 1: It didn't work in Portland, it did not work in Phoenix.
[1:50] Speaker 1: Distracted not necessarily, Like if there was an NFL comp
[1:55] Speaker 1: and be Kyler Murray. You know, it's like, you know,
[1:58] Speaker 1: you see some talent, but you're like, are you really in?
[2:02] Speaker 1: Didn't get along with Phoenix. I think he views himself
[2:05] Speaker 1: as a much This is why I don't think it'll
[2:07] Speaker 1: be great for the Lakers. He views himself as a
[2:09] Speaker 1: much more important offensive piece than any coaching staff has
[2:13] Speaker 1: viewed him. In between Austin Luke and Lebron. He ain't
[2:16] Speaker 1: getting many shots. I mean, he wasn't getting them in Portland,
[2:19] Speaker 1: and Portland's got a bunch of kids who needed his offense.
[2:22] Speaker 1: So this to me is a complete desperation move that
[2:26] Speaker 1: they just But here's the thing. In the West. Jokic Oka,
[2:32] Speaker 1: he's got two bigs. Minnesota's got size. Like you start
[2:36] Speaker 1: looking around, Dallas has a four different players on their
[2:41] Speaker 1: front line. You can't be small. The Warriors know this
[2:44] Speaker 1: the last three years. You can't be a small team
[2:47] Speaker 1: out West. You can get away with it a little bit,
[2:49] Speaker 1: you know. Jannis obviously is big. But you can lose Porzingis.
[2:53] Speaker 1: If you're Boston, you can survive. You can lose Miles Turner.
[2:56] Speaker 1: I think Indiana with your pace and survive. In the West,
[3:00] Speaker 1: if you don't have a big you are a playing
[3:02] Speaker 1: team at best. So I think they almost It's not
[3:05] Speaker 1: a great fit. It will last a year or two,
[3:08] Speaker 1: but I think they had to do something.
[3:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is buying low right, That's that's
[3:13] Speaker 2: what this is. I mean, DeAndre eighton guys made one
[3:17] Speaker 2: hundred and thirty seven million dollars in his career already
[3:20] Speaker 2: he's twenty six years old. Like there's something too height
[3:26] Speaker 2: size talent, and so he probably because the thing is like,
[3:30] Speaker 2: why hasn't DeAndre Eton gotten better? Why doesn't he have
[3:32] Speaker 2: more attention to detail? Why is he not more disciplined?
[3:35] Speaker 2: And it's like, well, doing it his way through just
[3:39] Speaker 2: natural talent and physical gifts. The guy's average had seasons
[3:43] Speaker 2: where he's averaged eighteen and ten. He's had multiple years
[3:46] Speaker 2: in a row where he's averaged double digit rebounds, like
[3:48] Speaker 2: he's fifty five fifty eight percent from the floor and
[3:52] Speaker 2: he's making thirty plus million dollars a year. He's like,
[3:54] Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm doing it, seems like it's
[3:56] Speaker 2: working out pretty well, you know, I honestly like we
[4:01] Speaker 2: sometimes we just see. Like I also always used to
[4:04] Speaker 2: talking about Hobby bayas that way in baseball. He was like,
[4:07] Speaker 2: why should I learn to hit the slider low and away?
[4:10] Speaker 2: My way has gotten me two hundred million dollars Like yeah,
[4:14] Speaker 2: Like sometimes you can be paid a lot of money
[4:16] Speaker 2: and be really successful while having a fatal flaw. And yeah,
[4:20] Speaker 2: DeAndre Ayton feels like a guy who is never going
[4:24] Speaker 2: to like max out and reach his full potential, but
[4:28] Speaker 2: eighty percent of his full potential is still a really
[4:31] Speaker 2: lucrative basketball player. I will say that not needing to
[4:38] Speaker 2: be the focal point of the offense might bring out
[4:42] Speaker 2: like a best version of DeAndre Ayton if I was
[4:44] Speaker 2: going to try to be optimistic about it, because it's
[4:48] Speaker 2: a pretty good gig to be a big and play
[4:51] Speaker 2: with Luka Doncic because Luca's superpower is collapsing a defense
[4:57] Speaker 2: and then he can throw that lob pass. He might
[5:01] Speaker 2: remember like DeAndre Jordan on Lob City when he would
[5:05] Speaker 2: play with Christal Pall and it was just like, oh
[5:07] Speaker 2: my god, yeah, like this guy hit would hit nine
[5:10] Speaker 2: shots a game and eight of them were dunks right
[5:13] Speaker 2: at there, like it's the easiest, easy, easiest twenty points
[5:16] Speaker 2: you ever got in your life, Like I could. They
[5:19] Speaker 2: tried to trade for Mark Williams, then they failed as
[5:21] Speaker 2: physical Mark Williams flawed player, but uge, but he's huge
[5:28] Speaker 2: that I think that was all they wanted. To your point,
[5:30] Speaker 2: it was like they tried to trade for size, then
[5:32] Speaker 2: they flunked him on his physical and now they're like, okay,
[5:35] Speaker 2: Lebron opted in. We don't want to trade Austin Reeves.
[5:37] Speaker 2: We need we just need size for a year. Let's
[5:40] Speaker 2: go get the former number one overall pick and see
[5:42] Speaker 2: if Lebron and Luca can get something out of him.
[5:44] Speaker 2: So this is just yeah classic by low and you know,
[5:48] Speaker 2: you take a lottery ticket on it and see if
[5:49] Speaker 2: it works.
[5:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's they never really got you know, when
[5:54] Speaker 1: Clint Capella goes back to Houston and Lopez goes to
[5:57] Speaker 1: the Clippers, you're like, Okay, I mean I listen, if
[6:00] Speaker 1: you'd ask them a week ago if they wanted DeAndre Ayton,
[6:03] Speaker 1: there would have been a you know, like a warning
[6:05] Speaker 1: sign in front of DeAndre Aiden.
[6:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not option A, B or C, right,
[6:12] Speaker 2: Like Dallas, I mean, Dallas is gonna hold onto all
[6:15] Speaker 2: of their bigs, which was surprised. You know, like some
[6:17] Speaker 2: people thought that like either Live or like Lively or
[6:20] Speaker 2: Gafford was going to be available, you know, so like
[6:23] Speaker 2: so that that one's a little surprising. But they're clearly
[6:26] Speaker 2: holding on to everybody, at least for now, So there's
[6:28] Speaker 2: no there's no way DeAndre Ayton was was option A
[6:34] Speaker 2: and again we still don't know exactly what Lebron will do,
[6:37] Speaker 2: but catching lob passes from Luca doncis DeAndre Ayton can
[6:41] Speaker 2: do that. Just don't draw up offense for him, and
[6:43] Speaker 2: you're going to be very disappointed with him defensively well.
[6:47] Speaker 1: And I also think we have to be so that
[6:51] Speaker 1: Walter group comes in. One of the things they've done
[6:54] Speaker 1: with the Dodgers is they've made the games is the
[6:57] Speaker 1: world's becoming events. The Olympics do well, Eitlan Clark Games
[7:00] Speaker 1: do well, the World Cup does well, the Gold Cup's
[7:03] Speaker 1: done well. If you can make stuff feel like an event,
[7:07] Speaker 1: NFL college football events work in a distracted nation. I mean,
[7:11] Speaker 1: everybody's on their phone, right And the truth is, if
[7:15] Speaker 1: I said it to you out loud, Lebron, Luca Aighton, Reeves,
[7:20] Speaker 1: JJ Reddicks coach, it does. The Dodgers have done this.
[7:23] Speaker 1: They've made their Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games at Dodgers
[7:26] Speaker 1: Stadium like feel big. I mean, I'm home in LA.
[7:29] Speaker 1: When I was in LA and if the Dodgers are on,
[7:31] Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Tawny's batting, there's Mooki and Freddie Freeman
[7:34] Speaker 1: and Max Munsey. You are like, is this an All
[7:36] Speaker 1: Star game? They feel huge. From the sound of Lebron,
[7:41] Speaker 1: Luca Reeves, dere Jj Redick coaching, it feels big. It
[7:45] Speaker 1: may be the sixth best team in the West, but
[7:47] Speaker 1: it feels like it's the goodbye for the championship.
[7:50] Speaker 2: To be honest, can't you just stop at Lebron and
[7:54] Speaker 2: Luca in LA?
[7:56] Speaker 1: But I don't think so anymore. I don't really.
[7:59] Speaker 2: So like you're doing movie stars court side Lebron, James Luka, Doncic.
[8:06] Speaker 2: You think Austin Reeves and DeAndre Ayton is tipping some
[8:10] Speaker 2: sort of skill.
[8:10] Speaker 1: I think I think they're. I think they're. Jj Reddick
[8:14] Speaker 1: felt like a star. I think JJ got that job, yep,
[8:19] Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't know that.
[8:20] Speaker 2: I think that like all of a sudden, like Timothy
[8:22] Speaker 2: Shallome is like God, I gotta be court side to
[8:25] Speaker 2: see DeAndre aid well.
[8:27] Speaker 1: In my in my time in Los Angeles, the Dodgers
[8:31] Speaker 1: have completely separated from the Lakers as the biggest show
[8:34] Speaker 1: in town. Like it's not it's not close. Everybody all
[8:38] Speaker 1: you see in LA is Dodger hats. Everybody in LA
[8:41] Speaker 1: is a Dodger fan. I mean, it's really an incredible separation,
[8:45] Speaker 1: like Chicago has always been like Bears cups. It feels big, right,
[8:49] Speaker 1: and it's like and it just depends on the season
[8:52] Speaker 1: the off season for the Dodgers because they get the
[8:54] Speaker 1: best players in the world. It's I mean, there's like
[8:57] Speaker 1: multiple blogs that have succeeded on Dodger talk. So I
[9:02] Speaker 1: think I think they have to get back to feeling big.
[9:06] Speaker 1: And I think the other thing is Los Angeles is
[9:08] Speaker 1: a very savvy basketball market. You got two teams the
[9:11] Speaker 1: fans really know. Like I said this years and years
[9:14] Speaker 1: ago when I was out East. You would go to
[9:17] Speaker 1: a Boston and Yankee game in New York, the fans
[9:22] Speaker 1: knew the lineup. Oh, like they would be I mean
[9:25] Speaker 1: they knew, you know, if Joe Torry went to the pan,
[9:31] Speaker 1: what are you doing?
[9:33] Speaker 2: Yes, he's hanging the curveball, he's out, get him out? Yeah,
[9:36] Speaker 2: of co.
[9:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of fan bases Charlotte in the
[9:40] Speaker 1: NFL where they're there for the cheap beers and the
[9:42] Speaker 1: good Son or something. You know, like LA is a
[9:45] Speaker 1: smart basketball market. If you don't have a center, Oh
[9:49] Speaker 1: we have forty one year old Lebron and Luca who's
[9:52] Speaker 1: finally working out. That's not fans there no Jackson, Hayes, JJ,
[9:57] Speaker 1: Reddick can't stand him, he doesn't want him on the floor.
[10:00] Speaker 1: So I think Ayton makes them feel like athletic and
[10:03] Speaker 1: big and viable. It feels bigger because I think Laker
[10:07] Speaker 1: fans are smart. I really do. I think it's one
[10:09] Speaker 1: of the smarter fan bases in the country, where like
[10:11] Speaker 1: they know the difference between you know, the influencers don't care,
[10:16] Speaker 1: but real basketball fans, and there are many in LA
[10:18] Speaker 1: get you can't compete in the West without a big camp.
[10:21] Speaker 2: But we're also immediately having a reaction to this news
[10:24] Speaker 2: by saying that this was optioned in C or D
[10:27] Speaker 2: for them and it probably isn't going to work.
[10:30] Speaker 1: So but he is, Ayton is entertaining. He feels I
[10:34] Speaker 1: mean he is. If I told you on a nightly basis,
[10:37] Speaker 1: oh you've got to see this eight and dunk or this,
[10:39] Speaker 1: he'd be like, oh yeah. I mean he does feel
[10:41] Speaker 1: at times offensively like a star.
[10:44] Speaker 2: No, listen, he has his moments. He's very talented, and
[10:48] Speaker 2: again he's not as bad as people have made him
[10:52] Speaker 2: out to be. The guy can if you can be
[10:55] Speaker 2: an eighteen and ten guy and go fifty eight percent
[10:58] Speaker 2: from the floor. That's that's that's something. Now it's not Luca,
[11:03] Speaker 2: but something.
[11:05] Speaker 1: No, his problem has always been he views himself as
[11:08] Speaker 1: a twenty six and a half point a game guy.
[11:10] Speaker 1: Like he sees himself as like a like he feels
[11:13] Speaker 1: like he's he's never been given the respect he deserves.
[11:17] Speaker 1: But the truth is his coaches and teammates think he's
[11:19] Speaker 1: getting more than he deserves.
[11:21] Speaker 2: Right, Well, there was I always love the story of
[11:23] Speaker 2: Mario Chalmers on the Dwayne Wade Lebron Miami Heat, and
[11:28] Speaker 2: there was like, you know, not confirmed. It was like
[11:31] Speaker 2: urban legend that he was like, hey, why do you
[11:34] Speaker 2: never draw up the final player or the final shot
[11:36] Speaker 2: for me? He's like, you know, I've hit one of
[11:38] Speaker 2: I've hit a big shot or two in my career,
[11:39] Speaker 2: and it's like, Buddy, a shot for Kansas, we got Lebron.
[11:45] Speaker 2: You know, there can't be like an overinflated sense of self.
[11:48] Speaker 2: But I would hope that when DeAndre Ayton looks around
[11:51] Speaker 2: the huddle and he sees Luca and Lebron, he's not
[11:54] Speaker 2: going to be busting JJ Reddick like, hey, why aren't
[11:56] Speaker 2: you drawing up to play for me coach.
[11:59] Speaker 1: I do think what is interesting, and we had a
[12:01] Speaker 1: lot of things to talk about, but I was talking
[12:04] Speaker 1: to the staff before we did. This is most of
[12:08] Speaker 1: the time. If there's a sort of a trend in sports,
[12:11] Speaker 1: I love decoding it. It's one of my favorite things
[12:14] Speaker 1: to do. Like I've you know, I've got my theories
[12:16] Speaker 1: and beliefs. The NBA West is now so much better
[12:20] Speaker 1: than the East. It has been for thirty years, and
[12:22] Speaker 1: a lot of it's just because bad ownership in Charlotte
[12:25] Speaker 1: and Chicago and Atlanta and Washington. That's like the all
[12:30] Speaker 1: bad owner front office teams are all mostly out East.
[12:34] Speaker 1: The West, Denver and Houston now are capable of winning
[12:39] Speaker 1: the title. Okase just did. San Antonio is going to
[12:43] Speaker 1: make a huge leap. Minnesota's really really good. The Lakers
[12:47] Speaker 1: have Austin Reeves, Lebron and Luca, Golden State has Butler,
[12:51] Speaker 1: Draymond and staff, and the Clippers are viable. You could
[12:55] Speaker 1: argue all of those teams. I mean, the Warriors were
[12:58] Speaker 1: all plain team last year. All of them could compete
[13:01] Speaker 1: for the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm not sure they could
[13:03] Speaker 1: win it. I don't I don't think the Clippers could
[13:05] Speaker 1: win it. But it is interesting. The only thing I
[13:10] Speaker 1: can account for the dominance. It's like SEC times two.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Like the SEC had a twenty year run, but now
[13:15] Speaker 1: the Big ten feels as good or better. The West
[13:19] Speaker 1: is pulling away. Some of it's just Tatum and Haliburton's injuries.
[13:24] Speaker 1: My guess is its ownership stinks out East. That's I
[13:27] Speaker 1: mean the Knicks firing TIBs. I mean, any thoughts on
[13:31] Speaker 1: the domination. It's a winter league and the weather's better
[13:34] Speaker 1: out West.
[13:35] Speaker 2: That's actually a piece of it, right, I think like
[13:37] Speaker 2: some of it is people want to go to La
[13:40] Speaker 2: that's two of the teams. The Warriors became a juggernaut,
[13:43] Speaker 2: world class organization, Silicon Valley business. That that's out Why
[13:47] Speaker 2: all these guys now have podcast companies and media company
[13:51] Speaker 2: is in all of that. Your your ownership point out
[13:54] Speaker 2: East is luck of the draw. Some of it is
[13:58] Speaker 2: lottery too, right, Like the Spurs won the lottery in
[14:01] Speaker 2: the web Vin Yama Year West, Dallas wins the lottery
[14:05] Speaker 2: in the Cooper Flag year West. You didn't mention Dallas
[14:09] Speaker 2: Dallas has Kylie, Anthony Davis and Cooper Flag.
[14:12] Speaker 1: No, you're right, I forgot to put Dallas, and there's
[14:15] Speaker 1: six teams I love right exactly.
[14:17] Speaker 2: So like so some of it is blind luck, some
[14:21] Speaker 2: of it is some of it is weather. And you know,
[14:25] Speaker 2: Miami has been an attractive destination and they're just a
[14:28] Speaker 2: little down right right now, right like they easily could
[14:31] Speaker 2: have gotten KD And I would not have loved the
[14:33] Speaker 2: Tyler Hero, Bamada Bayo, Kevin Durant Big Three as like
[14:40] Speaker 2: an NBA champion contender, but we certainly would have talked
[14:42] Speaker 2: about them as being viable in the Eastern Conference. And
[14:47] Speaker 2: this isn't what your main point was, but I'm gonna
[14:49] Speaker 2: bring it up anyway because I'm fascinated by it. I
[14:52] Speaker 2: think that what Milwaukee did make it made sense. I
[14:54] Speaker 2: know they're getting killed for it, but they were just
[14:58] Speaker 2: the five seed in the You are as much of
[15:02] Speaker 2: an NBA fan and historian as I am. Can you
[15:05] Speaker 2: think of because I have a period of time that
[15:07] Speaker 2: I'm thinking of where the gap between the best player
[15:11] Speaker 2: in a conference and the second best player in a
[15:14] Speaker 2: conference has been larger than what it will be next
[15:18] Speaker 2: year between Yannis and the second best player in the
[15:22] Speaker 2: East without Jason Tatum, because like second best player in
[15:26] Speaker 2: the East next year. Kate Cunningham, jal Bank, Carroll ban
[15:32] Speaker 2: Carrow Sure Jalen Brunson, like Yannis, is thirty, twelve and
[15:39] Speaker 2: six and still a top fifteen to twenty defensive player
[15:43] Speaker 2: in the league. And the only reason he's not top
[15:44] Speaker 2: five defensive leagu is because he's doing so much damn
[15:46] Speaker 2: work on offense. Like they were just the five seed,
[15:51] Speaker 2: they absolutely believe that they can win and they might
[15:55] Speaker 2: be dead ass wrong, and you know, they gave up
[15:58] Speaker 2: everything for Dame and Drew and Dan got hurt and
[16:01] Speaker 2: not like Miles Turner's game. But Milwaukee is saying, Yannis
[16:08] Speaker 2: gave us everything, including a title, and he wants to
[16:12] Speaker 2: beat Kobe. He wants to be Tim Duncan. He wants
[16:16] Speaker 2: to be here forever. So in the East, why can't
[16:21] Speaker 2: he grind us to fifty wins and the four seed
[16:26] Speaker 2: and his third MVP, which would be there's only nine
[16:29] Speaker 2: guys in NBA history who won three or more MVPs.
[16:32] Speaker 2: And like that season, even if it doesn't end in
[16:35] Speaker 2: a title, that's a season that Bucks fans would love.
[16:40] Speaker 2: Like that that that's a worthwhile exercise and professional sports entertainment.
[16:46] Speaker 2: I think if I think if the Bucks with Yannis
[16:48] Speaker 2: and the Dame injury and the salary cap situation and
[16:51] Speaker 2: the lack of draft picks, if they were New Orleans,
[16:56] Speaker 2: if they were in the West, they would trade Giannis.
[16:59] Speaker 2: But they look get it, and they say, we've got
[17:01] Speaker 2: the best player in the history of the franchise, the
[17:03] Speaker 2: peak of his powers, who wants to be here. He's
[17:07] Speaker 2: not looking for Miami or La or movie stardom or
[17:10] Speaker 2: anything like that. Like, Okay, fine, we'll stretch game and
[17:13] Speaker 2: we're going to just try to grind out as many
[17:15] Speaker 2: wins as possible. I think there's something admirable in it,
[17:18] Speaker 2: even if it won't end in a championship.
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[18:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have the opposite take, which is it
[18:55] Speaker 1: is so hard. First of all, dynast street dynasties mostly
[18:59] Speaker 1: come in certain NBA cities, or when you have a
[19:03] Speaker 1: transformational player and he has a great coach like Duncan
[19:07] Speaker 1: and Pop Kerr, Katie Curry, you know Magic and Riley,
[19:13] Speaker 1: you know Lebron, Wade Spolstra, and so Milwaukee has never
[19:17] Speaker 1: gotten the coach right. And it's also not a desirable
[19:20] Speaker 1: area and in my life, and we're seeing it now
[19:23] Speaker 1: in the seventies and now we're seeing it over the
[19:25] Speaker 1: last seven years. It's just one. There's no great teams.
[19:28] Speaker 1: With the new CBA and aprons, there won't be. You
[19:30] Speaker 1: just can't do it. I mean, even a team I
[19:33] Speaker 1: like next year a lot Orlando, they may never win
[19:35] Speaker 1: a title. Just have a bunch of one A player
[19:37] Speaker 1: and a bunch of b plus a minus guys. But
[19:40] Speaker 1: in NBA history that sometimes one is enough. Think about
[19:46] Speaker 1: how good the Shack Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott teams
[19:50] Speaker 1: were no titles. Think how good the Sacramento Kings were.
[19:54] Speaker 1: They couldn't get through the Lakers no titles. Is that
[19:58] Speaker 1: Luel Cinder got one, Yo Kich got one. My take
[20:03] Speaker 1: is okay, see won't win it next year. They're two
[20:06] Speaker 1: inconsistent offensively in Houston now and Denver and all these
[20:09] Speaker 1: teams in the West. They're just gonna chip away at everybody.
[20:12] Speaker 1: Is that if you win one and you have your honesty,
[20:14] Speaker 1: and you win one and you still have a wildly
[20:18] Speaker 1: productive player, but you can't get the coach right and
[20:21] Speaker 1: you get old really fast, which happened in Milwaukee three
[20:24] Speaker 1: years ago. Middleton, you know, lower body injuries. You're like, yeah,
[20:28] Speaker 1: this is getting old fast. Is that when you watch
[20:32] Speaker 1: the Rudy Gobert trade, I would have gone, oh, we
[20:36] Speaker 1: can get six unprotested, uncontested first round picks, an All
[20:40] Speaker 1: star and two rotational players. That I do think smaller markets,
[20:45] Speaker 1: the Orlandos and the Sacramentos, they hold on the stuff
[20:50] Speaker 1: because it's the big show in town. It's of mice
[20:52] Speaker 1: and men Lenny squeezing. They can't let go and it's like, guys,
[20:58] Speaker 1: you have been so old. Such a bad matchup against
[21:01] Speaker 1: younger athletic teams like Boston for three years. I mean,
[21:05] Speaker 1: I think people are forgetting they were favored over Indiana.
[21:09] Speaker 1: Indian it destroyed them.
[21:10] Speaker 2: The games were competitive, Yeah, I mean, listen, I think
[21:16] Speaker 2: there is some truth to that. But there's also like
[21:20] Speaker 2: they've had bad injuries at bad times. Like I was
[21:25] Speaker 2: at Game one Bucks Heat and it was the one seedv.
[21:30] Speaker 2: The eight seed and they lose to Miami. Jannis falls
[21:34] Speaker 2: on his back in the playoffs, gets hurt. Isn't the
[21:38] Speaker 2: same guy the rest of this game. Dame hurt in
[21:41] Speaker 2: the playoffs but doesn't play this whole series. Middleton has
[21:44] Speaker 2: gotten hurt in the playoffs, like they I think they
[21:47] Speaker 2: like they got one and then they haven't won playoff
[21:50] Speaker 2: series since and were the national responses like, oh well
[21:54] Speaker 2: so then they haven't been close since. In Milwaukee E
[21:58] Speaker 2: They're like, well, we've also had that injury luck to
[22:01] Speaker 2: go along with it, and you're definitely right. They want
[22:06] Speaker 2: to hold on to it and it's the big game
[22:07] Speaker 2: in town. But has Utah won the Rudy go Bear trade?
[22:12] Speaker 2: Like the team that trades the superstar for the four
[22:15] Speaker 2: or five or six assets. There's now a lot of
[22:19] Speaker 2: examples of it working out. It worked out in Oklahoma City.
[22:23] Speaker 2: They traded Paul George and they get SGA and a
[22:26] Speaker 2: draft pick that becomes Jalen Williams. But they also had
[22:29] Speaker 2: Sam Presty doing the trading and the drafting, and there
[22:31] Speaker 2: aren't many of those guys out there, Like, what's a
[22:35] Speaker 2: trade for Giannis where you're going to turn around and
[22:39] Speaker 2: be like, yup, the Bucks are going to be back
[22:41] Speaker 2: in the NBA finals in three years? Okay, this is
[22:44] Speaker 2: the one.
[22:45] Speaker 1: So kd shen Goon, I'm on temp Thompson don't win,
[22:51] Speaker 1: they get they don't even get to the finals. And
[22:53] Speaker 1: Kdi's one year older. And then Houston says for Tita says, okay,
[22:59] Speaker 1: we're going for it. Okay, we're going to go for it.
[23:02] Speaker 1: Shen Goon an All star for Yannis, Jabbari Smith, who's
[23:09] Speaker 1: going to back up Katie this year?
[23:10] Speaker 2: Sure?
[23:11] Speaker 1: And and and five unprotected first round picks and maybe
[23:15] Speaker 1: a deep bench rotational players. Now it's kd Aman, Thompson,
[23:20] Speaker 1: Jannis and other young guys. Oh I want to be
[23:23] Speaker 1: you want it? But if I'm Milwaukee, I get. I mean,
[23:28] Speaker 1: shen Goon's going to be a twenty four point game
[23:30] Speaker 1: guy for next to eight years. He's he's really beautiful player.
[23:33] Speaker 2: So is demonis? What is he won?
[23:37] Speaker 1: Well? No, no, okay, okay, it's fair. It's fair. It's
[23:39] Speaker 1: hard than I get.
[23:41] Speaker 2: It's hard. My point. My point is it's I think
[23:45] Speaker 2: you're always going to lose on that trade. And even
[23:49] Speaker 2: if your point is okay, well, eighty cents on the
[23:52] Speaker 2: dollar is better than fifty cents on the dollar. There's
[23:56] Speaker 2: something too, and you I think we can be a
[23:59] Speaker 2: little national remove fandom live in a bunch of different places.
[24:06] Speaker 2: There's something too. Yannis loving Milwaukee and Milwaukee loving Yannis.
[24:14] Speaker 2: He was Yes, he was the fifteenth pick in the draft.
[24:18] Speaker 2: He was a skinny kid from Greece and when he
[24:21] Speaker 2: came to Milwaukee. You can google the stories. The NBA
[24:27] Speaker 2: was buying the arena back from the Bucks because they
[24:31] Speaker 2: were like yes, I remember, They're like, you need to
[24:33] Speaker 2: get public financing for your stadium where we are going
[24:35] Speaker 2: to move your team, And they got the financing, they
[24:42] Speaker 2: opened the building. Ownership says, this is a commitment to
[24:45] Speaker 2: show that we can build around and win with Yanis.
[24:48] Speaker 2: They built a new practice facility, a beautiful new arena
[24:52] Speaker 2: and then he delivers a championship. And this is just
[24:55] Speaker 2: a silly anecdote that I happen to know just from
[24:57] Speaker 2: being in Chicago. But like Yanis, whenever he would come
[25:00] Speaker 2: and play the Bulls, he would go to You probably
[25:02] Speaker 2: know that you know Ovly the Greek restaurant.
[25:04] Speaker 1: There's one in yes, yes, yes, yeah.
[25:06] Speaker 2: So the guy who owns it is lu canelis the
[25:08] Speaker 2: local sports anchor on the Fox affiliate in Chicago. He's
[25:12] Speaker 2: a restaurant tour also. It's probably his main business. By now,
[25:15] Speaker 2: there's there's one in There's there's like five locations, four
[25:18] Speaker 2: or five locations in and around Chicago, and there's one
[25:22] Speaker 2: in Milwaukee that Yannis. Everyone was like, oh, Yannis is
[25:27] Speaker 2: gonna leave Milwaukee and go to the Bulls because he
[25:30] Speaker 2: wants to like have all the good Greek restaurants in Chicago.
[25:32] Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I'm just gonna open a good
[25:34] Speaker 2: Greek restaurant in Milwaukee. Like he he brought the Greek
[25:38] Speaker 2: food to Milwaukee, like the guy. It's a throwback man.
[25:43] Speaker 2: Like we said, like Steph Curry is the Warriors, it
[25:46] Speaker 2: would be weird if he played somewhere else. Tim Duncan
[25:49] Speaker 2: was the Spurs, Kobe was the Lakers. Like, there's I
[25:52] Speaker 2: am just rooting for the purity of the fifteenth pick
[25:57] Speaker 2: in the draft who delivers the title to the wall Market.
[26:01] Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm not messing
[26:05] Speaker 2: with happy. I don't think it could. I don't think.
[26:07] Speaker 2: I think you're you like moving, you like La. You're
[26:12] Speaker 2: like you're like I like London and LA and Europe
[26:16] Speaker 2: and backpacking and biking, and like you like moving around.
[26:19] Speaker 2: And I get it. But this guy, I think he
[26:22] Speaker 2: just likes Milwaukee. I think we projeest night, we project
[26:26] Speaker 2: onto Giannis would we we want Giannis to play for
[26:29] Speaker 2: a championship again.
[26:30] Speaker 1: And he's like that's right.
[26:32] Speaker 2: And he and I and he's like, why can't I
[26:35] Speaker 2: play for a championship here? And he's probably wrong. Yeah,
[26:40] Speaker 2: but he's probably wrong. But I think there's something admirable
[26:44] Speaker 2: in like the effort, like the tribe.
[26:49] Speaker 1: Okay, so you're more of a sports romantic.
[26:52] Speaker 2: I think I can be. Yeah, absolutely, I can't be.
[26:57] Speaker 1: So so let's then segue to a topic I saw
[27:00] Speaker 1: this week. So this is something that I've never understood.
[27:05] Speaker 1: I don't understand the advantage of it. Back in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
[27:12] Speaker 1: and nineties, when the NFL, you literally could be average
[27:16] Speaker 1: at quarterback and win your division regularly. You ran the ball,
[27:19] Speaker 1: you played defense. The NFL allowed all sorts of clutching
[27:22] Speaker 1: and grabbing and hitting late. I mean there's videos of
[27:25] Speaker 1: Joe Montana being slammed the turf, which would get you
[27:28] Speaker 1: thrown out for like six games. Now, so I never
[27:34] Speaker 1: understood snow games, but I do think there was an
[27:36] Speaker 1: era in which, if you were built right run game
[27:40] Speaker 1: weren't great at quarterback defense, snow games were a little
[27:45] Speaker 1: bit of an advantage.
[27:46] Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but.
[27:47] Speaker 1: Cleveland, the Cleveland Browns come out over the last week
[27:50] Speaker 1: and they're like, we're coming out with a new stadium,
[27:52] Speaker 1: and people are like, oh my god, there goes the
[27:56] Speaker 1: home field advantage. I'm like, you have a horror roble
[28:00] Speaker 1: home record over the last three decades. First, but my
[28:03] Speaker 1: takeaway is it's a quarterback league. Snow Brady is an
[28:08] Speaker 1: exception that I would watch him and Manning play in
[28:11] Speaker 1: snow and I'm like, oh, Tom's winning the game. I
[28:13] Speaker 1: could tell him pregame they take that shot on CBS
[28:16] Speaker 1: and Manning would be freezing if box Probably Tom's winning.
[28:19] Speaker 1: It's over is that the snow game today? There's not
[28:25] Speaker 1: many of them, it feels like. But I think it's
[28:27] Speaker 1: always been completely overrated. There's a reason we play Bowl
[28:31] Speaker 1: games in better weather. I don't want my football screwed
[28:35] Speaker 1: with by ice storms and sleet, and I think it
[28:38] Speaker 1: remains the most overrated thing in American sports, the snow
[28:43] Speaker 1: football game.
[28:44] Speaker 2: I want my games to be played like they are
[28:48] Speaker 2: supposed to be played. So I'm glad the super Bowl
[28:51] Speaker 2: is in a dome, right I do. But I like
[28:55] Speaker 2: December regular season games in snow. Like I think there
[29:00] Speaker 2: is something too, like lamb Like there's like some stadiums
[29:05] Speaker 2: that should just be grandfathered in, Like Fenway is like
[29:08] Speaker 2: a little bit of a pain in the ass, but
[29:10] Speaker 2: you'd be bummed if they changed Fenway Wriggly. They've renovated
[29:14] Speaker 2: Wriglely and they've made it better with video boards and
[29:16] Speaker 2: accessibility and all that, but like that is still a
[29:20] Speaker 2: brick wall out there covered by ivy. It's not like
[29:23] Speaker 2: the most practical thing in the world. Right, Like if
[29:26] Speaker 2: if Pete crow Armstrong, who's gonna be the starting center
[29:28] Speaker 2: fielder for the National League ran into the brick wall
[29:31] Speaker 2: and broke his shoulder. We would do the topic of like,
[29:34] Speaker 2: should there be a brick wall in center field? That's
[29:37] Speaker 2: pretty that's pretty dangerous, that's pretty archaic, but there's a
[29:42] Speaker 2: charm to it. It doesn't have to make sense Lambeau
[29:46] Speaker 2: Like if the so you'd say that the Packers should
[29:50] Speaker 2: put a roof on Lambeau Field.
[29:53] Speaker 1: No, I think exactly exactly, Yeah, I mean, I think
[29:57] Speaker 1: green Bay is what green Bay is. I think it.
[30:00] Speaker 1: I think its history is the frozen tundra in Vince Lombardi.
[30:05] Speaker 2: Because it doesn't make any sense for an NFL team
[30:08] Speaker 2: to be in green Bay, Wisconsin. Right if we were
[30:11] Speaker 2: starting that's right, if we were starting the league tomorrow
[30:15] Speaker 2: from scratch and you picked thirty two cities, we wouldn't
[30:19] Speaker 2: pick green Bay. But we well it's it's but well,
[30:23] Speaker 2: we all agreed the NFL is better with green Bay existing.
[30:27] Speaker 1: What what is laughable about the Bears is green Bay
[30:30] Speaker 1: is always drafted quarterbacks Farv Aaron and Love with above
[30:35] Speaker 1: average arms, and the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly and
[30:38] Speaker 1: Josh Allen understand the value of a whip in northern climates.
[30:43] Speaker 1: That's why it was always indefensible when Mitch Trubisky, who's
[30:47] Speaker 1: ball dyed twenty four yards down the field, was drafted
[30:50] Speaker 1: by the Bears. It's like, is there a dome stadium
[30:52] Speaker 1: that was as agreed to that I'm not aware, Like
[30:55] Speaker 1: there's some teams that don't even understand there the web
[31:00] Speaker 1: are advantages this dome team draft Tua warm Weather, Tua.
[31:06] Speaker 1: If you draft them and cold, you're idiotic and should
[31:08] Speaker 1: be fired as general manager, right.
[31:10] Speaker 2: Right, Like the like the Yankees are going to be
[31:12] Speaker 2: in the market for every lefty slugger because they have
[31:14] Speaker 2: a short porch and right, you know what I mean,
[31:16] Speaker 2: there's there's there's something to do. But so I hear what
[31:19] Speaker 2: you're saying about outdoor stadiums. But it's like, if we
[31:22] Speaker 2: don't want Arrowhead to go away, and we don't want
[31:24] Speaker 2: Lambeau to go away, then like I understand Cleveland fans
[31:27] Speaker 2: pitching and moaning about the Dome too.
[31:37] Speaker 1: So the uh, there's there's a lot of different topics.
[31:41] Speaker 1: I think, can.
[31:44] Speaker 2: We do a topic? I want to do a topic
[31:46] Speaker 2: your podcast want to do with top Yeah, congratulations on
[31:52] Speaker 2: making it to the Radio Hall of Fame. And you
[31:55] Speaker 2: can put this at the end, or you can scrub
[31:57] Speaker 2: it out entirely. I don't know, but I hope you don't.
[32:00] Speaker 2: But you have started and developed a very successful business.
[32:06] Speaker 2: You are a legend in the industry. You have conquered
[32:09] Speaker 2: multiple mediums. And I know that hall of fame talk
[32:13] Speaker 2: on talk shows? Is Pete Rosea hall of fame? Or
[32:16] Speaker 2: is it a museum? Is he a first ballid guy?
[32:18] Speaker 2: Is he overrated? Is he snowed? Will you admit that
[32:22] Speaker 2: it meant something to you?
[32:26] Speaker 1: Oh? God, sure, yeah, because.
[32:28] Speaker 2: Like the radio purist in me, because I will always
[32:31] Speaker 2: consider myself a radio guy, and I know you're the same.
[32:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same. It's so cool, it's so yeah,
[32:39] Speaker 1: it is congratulations, you know what. Oh, thank you very much.
[32:43] Speaker 1: So it's weird because, as my staff knows, I take
[32:48] Speaker 1: so much pride in topic selection, and I know the
[32:51] Speaker 1: audience doesn't care, you do, Nick does? I got some
[32:57] Speaker 1: of the nicest note Joe Fortonbaugh old bosses, people that
[33:02] Speaker 1: love radio sent me the sweetest, kindest notes. Listen, I
[33:07] Speaker 1: was seven years old, rural. My mom got me a
[33:11] Speaker 1: transistor radio. You know, this was nineteen seventy two. Seventy three,
[33:18] Speaker 1: there weren't that many games on TV. ESPN wasn't a thing,
[33:22] Speaker 1: and radio was my friend. I'm a rural like I
[33:26] Speaker 1: was eight miles from the closest friend, and I would
[33:29] Speaker 1: sit in our Frank Lloyd Wright house on the second
[33:31] Speaker 1: There was a picnic table in the back patio. I'd
[33:34] Speaker 1: get on it, go to the second floor, and for
[33:36] Speaker 1: some reason there was this weird vortex where all these
[33:38] Speaker 1: AM radio signals came in and I would sit there
[33:41] Speaker 1: listening to baseball games and I heard Vin Scully when
[33:43] Speaker 1: I was eight on a scratch it was Kfire or
[33:46] Speaker 1: something in La whatever it was, and it was scratchy.
[33:48] Speaker 1: I would take notes, I would write down, I would
[33:50] Speaker 1: get names I was. You know, radio's always been something
[33:56] Speaker 1: I love. Now once I went to simulcast, I have
[33:59] Speaker 1: to play the TV a lot. That's the reality of it.
[34:01] Speaker 1: TV's bigger, Yeah, it's it's it's a huge deal. I
[34:06] Speaker 1: don't get terribly emotional about stuff. I've seen everything now
[34:10] Speaker 1: at this point, but my wife knows how much it means.
[34:13] Speaker 1: You know, my friends know how much it means. It's
[34:15] Speaker 1: a big deal for me, and I don't want to
[34:18] Speaker 1: be self congratulatory, but yeah, for in my life, it's
[34:21] Speaker 1: been one of my.
[34:22] Speaker 2: Goals really, Okay, see I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure.
[34:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[34:27] Speaker 2: And the reason I didn't send you a text because
[34:30] Speaker 2: I knew I was already booked for this when the
[34:31] Speaker 2: news came out. I wanted to do it face to face.
[34:35] Speaker 2: But like, you inspired so many people of like Nick
[34:40] Speaker 2: and mis generation to do radio. And then Nick and
[34:44] Speaker 2: I would always joke and I think he said it
[34:46] Speaker 2: to you, and I'm not sure if I had, but been.
[34:48] Speaker 2: But you also kind of like ruined the next generation
[34:50] Speaker 2: of radio hosts because people would try to be you
[34:53] Speaker 2: and like try to do but your brain is so
[34:56] Speaker 2: singular in terms of the analogies and the comparisons, and
[34:59] Speaker 2: like it was an amazing thing. And then you would
[35:01] Speaker 2: hear people try to be you and it was like, no, man,
[35:03] Speaker 2: this is like a one of one talent that you've
[35:06] Speaker 2: crushed it in podcasting and TV and all that, but
[35:08] Speaker 2: like it was made for radio because the beauty of
[35:11] Speaker 2: radio is that you've got the long runway. You've got
[35:15] Speaker 2: the runway to tell the story, to be personable, to
[35:18] Speaker 2: be vulnerable, to be circuitous if you want to to
[35:23] Speaker 2: talk about the fandom in LA of a LA person
[35:27] Speaker 2: and then relate that to why they can be savvy
[35:29] Speaker 2: with basketball but still care about start Like it's like
[35:31] Speaker 2: it's perfect for radio, it's also perfect for podcasting. I
[35:34] Speaker 2: understand how podcast is kind of replaced radio, but it's
[35:38] Speaker 2: just you really deserve it and you. I don't know
[35:42] Speaker 2: how many more people in generations after you, if any,
[35:48] Speaker 2: will have a big impact on the genre of radio
[35:52] Speaker 2: just because it's changed, Like it's you know what I mean,
[35:56] Speaker 2: Like there was gonna have to be like a podcasting
[35:58] Speaker 2: hall of Fame, like people younger than Colin Calvert that
[36:01] Speaker 2: made a real impact in radio. It's a short list,
[36:06] Speaker 2: man like, because it's just it's not as influential anymore, sadly,
[36:11] Speaker 2: and so like you are probably one of the last,
[36:15] Speaker 2: like truly radio titans. Other people will get in, like
[36:21] Speaker 2: they'll keep inducting people, But in terms of people who
[36:26] Speaker 2: meant more to the medium than you, there's not good.
[36:29] Speaker 2: There will be some who meant as much or like
[36:32] Speaker 2: we're on your level because I'm just not thinking of
[36:34] Speaker 2: the Like Ryan Seacrest, I don't know if he's in.
[36:36] Speaker 1: He meant a lot to Yeah, right, you know what
[36:37] Speaker 1: I mean. I don't know.
[36:39] Speaker 2: There's probably a few more, but like you're one of
[36:43] Speaker 2: the last ones. Man like you meant a ton to radio.
[36:46] Speaker 2: So I just want to say congratulations.
[36:49] Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I think sometimes I've told people before.
[36:53] Speaker 1: Growing up divorced by myself, my sister was five years older.
[36:58] Speaker 1: I wrote about it in my first book. I was
[37:01] Speaker 1: actually lucky. I had all the things needed to tell
[37:04] Speaker 1: good stories on the radio. I was by myself really
[37:07] Speaker 1: all the time. I can remember playing and I know
[37:10] Speaker 1: I'm going on and on.
[37:11] Speaker 2: About this and we can cut it, but don't, okay.
[37:15] Speaker 1: So when I was a little kid, like like eight, nine,
[37:18] Speaker 1: ten years old, that kind of thing. In the mid seventies,
[37:21] Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Regire a great team and I love them.
[37:24] Speaker 1: And I can still give you the entire roster of
[37:26] Speaker 1: the Reds and the Dodgers, and I mean the infields
[37:28] Speaker 1: were legendary. Garvy and Lopes and Russell and Ron say Against.
[37:32] Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, Tony Perez and Joe
[37:35] Speaker 1: Morgan and Dave Conception and Pete Rose a third and
[37:37] Speaker 1: I would do lineups and I would play wiffleball by myself.
[37:42] Speaker 1: So I would throw the ball up, hit it, and
[37:44] Speaker 1: I do remember there was a moment and I wrote
[37:47] Speaker 1: about this in the book that I was obviously bored
[37:51] Speaker 1: because we had these trees in right field, and I
[37:54] Speaker 1: had Saesar Geronimo, who I never saw hit a home run,
[37:57] Speaker 1: hit a home run in my mind in whiffle ball.
[38:00] Speaker 1: I remember thinking I went and got the ball. And
[38:04] Speaker 1: I didn't have the self awareness before this. I was
[38:06] Speaker 1: probably nine or ten, and I thought, man, I'm alone
[38:09] Speaker 1: a lot. I'm alone a lot. And it really hit
[38:15] Speaker 1: me that I was talking to myself all the time,
[38:19] Speaker 1: and like out loud in the yard, like just talking
[38:22] Speaker 1: to myself doing the games. And so when people have
[38:26] Speaker 1: ever asked me, you know, you kind of talk to
[38:29] Speaker 1: yourself a lot, and I'm like, like, like, Larry King
[38:31] Speaker 1: want the late Larry King once came up and he goes,
[38:33] Speaker 1: how do you talk to yourself three hours a day?
[38:35] Speaker 1: I said, you should hear the other fourteen I said, Larry,
[38:38] Speaker 1: this is just what I've been doing since I've been
[38:40] Speaker 1: like six or seven, because I grew up really by myself.
[38:43] Speaker 1: My sister was five years older, so you know, she's
[38:46] Speaker 1: out of high school all the time. I get into it.
[38:48] Speaker 1: Fourteen year old girls don't want to hang out with
[38:50] Speaker 1: nine year old boys like nine year old.
[38:53] Speaker 2: Boys to hang out with fourteen year old girls.
[38:58] Speaker 1: So so a lot of the things in my life
[39:02] Speaker 1: growing up in the middle of nowhere, I think probably
[39:06] Speaker 1: this manufactured this kind of odd talking to yourself personality
[39:10] Speaker 1: that works.
[39:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, and and that makes perfect sense too.
[39:12] Speaker 2: Why you've never really I mean obviously you know J
[39:16] Speaker 2: Mac and whatever, But like, also why you been a
[39:19] Speaker 2: solo act? It's hard to do? Yeah, Like it's it's
[39:22] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I take a lot
[39:24] Speaker 2: of pride in being able to do it. Solo radio
[39:27] Speaker 2: is hard. It's it's a hard thing to do.
[39:32] Speaker 1: So here's here's an interesting one. I'll throw this at you.
[39:36] Speaker 1: So if you took I think there's three hundred and
[39:42] Speaker 1: sixty Division one men's programs, as far as I can
[39:48] Speaker 1: tell men's basketball programs, a woman's never coached them. In
[39:52] Speaker 1: the history of the NBA. There's never been a head
[39:55] Speaker 1: coach of an NBA team. I guess if you went
[39:57] Speaker 1: and found the top twenty five boys basketball team, they're
[40:00] Speaker 1: probably coached by guys. Now, obviously men coach women all
[40:03] Speaker 1: the time. You know, we see that WNBA, we see
[40:07] Speaker 1: it in college, high school, whatever, but it doesn't go
[40:11] Speaker 1: the other way. The door doesn't open the other way.
[40:13] Speaker 1: So when Donald Staley got talked about for the Knicks,
[40:18] Speaker 1: and I've thought about this before, I've thought about I
[40:22] Speaker 1: think it would actually potentially work. Now, New York's not easy.
[40:25] Speaker 1: It's a relentless media that just ran Tibbs out of
[40:28] Speaker 1: the building. It's like, I think New York wouldn't. I
[40:31] Speaker 1: wouldn't want that to make the test case for it.
[40:34] Speaker 1: Can we go to you know, can we go to Orlando?
[40:37] Speaker 1: Can we go somewhere where the media is not as
[40:40] Speaker 1: loud and relentless and brutal. But when I thought about
[40:43] Speaker 1: Don Staley, I thought, well, tis just they just had
[40:46] Speaker 1: the best season in twenty five years. Going to Don Staley.
[40:49] Speaker 1: It's a little odd for that situation in this organization.
[40:54] Speaker 1: But I do think, like Becky Hammond has been discussed,
[40:58] Speaker 1: and I think about it because and one of the
[41:01] Speaker 1: reasons being is like, if you picked the sport in
[41:05] Speaker 1: the world and you said, like soccer and women's basketball,
[41:10] Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark can make shots that NBA players cannot make consistently.
[41:15] Speaker 1: She is a better shooter than half the NBA. I'm
[41:18] Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure of it. And I do think when
[41:21] Speaker 1: you watch women's soccer, not as good as the men,
[41:24] Speaker 1: but we've had so much success in the country. But
[41:27] Speaker 1: I do think that there's something about basketball and that
[41:32] Speaker 1: you are seeing. I remember watching Maya Moore and thinking
[41:34] Speaker 1: she can make a Division one team. My horse Cheryl
[41:37] Speaker 1: Miller and make a Division one team, do you believe?
[41:40] Speaker 1: I do think there will be a female NBA coach eventually,
[41:45] Speaker 1: and I think part of it is that women's basketball.
[41:49] Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark's a great example. She's doing things I have
[41:52] Speaker 1: never seen me. Would you want Miles Turner taking a
[41:56] Speaker 1: thirty three foot shot? No?
[41:59] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[42:00] Speaker 1: Is it better shooter than half the NBA?
[42:02] Speaker 2: Yeah? So okay. I think these are two separate points.
[42:08] Speaker 2: When I was reporting Pipeline of the Pros, the book
[42:11] Speaker 2: that I wrote about the D three coaches and players
[42:14] Speaker 2: who made their way to the NBA coaches and executives,
[42:18] Speaker 2: you know, you talked to a lot of coaches and executives,
[42:21] Speaker 2: both the D three people and then the people who
[42:23] Speaker 2: hired them and helped them kind of break in and
[42:26] Speaker 2: one of the lines of questioning that I would ask
[42:29] Speaker 2: the Jeff van Gundies, the Stan van Gundyes of the world,
[42:32] Speaker 2: was like, what's it like being you the five foot nothing,
[42:37] Speaker 2: one hundred and nothing, you know, white slub and trying
[42:42] Speaker 2: to get Patrick Ewing's respect? Like, what's that like? And
[42:48] Speaker 2: there are there were some great stories of being tested
[42:52] Speaker 2: and being doubted, but almost universally there was just a
[42:59] Speaker 2: through line was even if you were doubted, or if
[43:03] Speaker 2: you were tested or if you know, Tylu didn't have
[43:08] Speaker 2: to clear that hurdle because they knew that he knew
[43:11] Speaker 2: it because he had played. All these players wanted you
[43:15] Speaker 2: to you to be able to prove to them was
[43:18] Speaker 2: can you help them get better? Yep, that's simple. It
[43:22] Speaker 2: was because that can get them their next contract, It
[43:25] Speaker 2: can extend their career, It can help get them a ring,
[43:28] Speaker 2: it can get them a legacy, it can get them
[43:30] Speaker 2: that had their jersey retired, It can get them a
[43:32] Speaker 2: media career at like whatever it is, right like it
[43:36] Speaker 2: can a good coach can level you up a little bit.
[43:41] Speaker 2: And so I don't think it's ridiculous at all. And
[43:47] Speaker 2: if Don Staley got the next job, I completely agree
[43:50] Speaker 2: with you. There would have just been an extra level
[43:53] Speaker 2: of the circus because of James Dolan, James Dolan, Tibbs,
[43:58] Speaker 2: the first woman New York, the media market, the whole thing.
[44:02] Speaker 1: But that may be the toughest job in the league, honestly,
[44:04] Speaker 1: no doubt.
[44:06] Speaker 2: I completely agree with you. But I also don't think
[44:09] Speaker 2: that don Staley is the only woman who is capable
[44:11] Speaker 2: of doing it. So like say it did happen, and
[44:15] Speaker 2: then say she failed. I don't think that would like
[44:19] Speaker 2: set back the idea of it twenty years. Like there's
[44:24] Speaker 2: more than thirty competent coaches who could coach NBA teams, right,
[44:29] Speaker 2: you know, there just is. And so some of it
[44:31] Speaker 2: is opportunity, some of it's you host a podcast with Lebron.
[44:36] Speaker 2: Some of it's just like these owners lack creativity and
[44:39] Speaker 2: they keep hiring Doc Rivers and like, you know, like
[44:42] Speaker 2: whatever it is, there's a lot of different reasons why
[44:46] Speaker 2: the people who get the jobs get the jobs. But
[44:49] Speaker 2: someone will do it, yeah, and then it will work,
[44:54] Speaker 2: and then five or six women will be coaching in
[44:58] Speaker 2: the NBA, and someone will right, the wow, there's all
[45:01] Speaker 2: these d three people coaching in the NBA. How the
[45:03] Speaker 2: hell did that happen? And then someone will write that book.
[45:06] Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it is going to be.
[45:09] Speaker 2: It hasn't happened, and it's a little ridiculous that it hasn't,
[45:12] Speaker 2: but it's going to happen because there's also Yeah, there
[45:15] Speaker 2: were really talented female assistant coaches on not every statue
[45:20] Speaker 2: in the league, but a huge percentage of like shooting coaches,
[45:24] Speaker 2: advanced scouts, like most teams have a woman somewhere in
[45:29] Speaker 2: the first or second row of their bench at this point. So, yeah,
[45:34] Speaker 2: basketball is so much closer to it than football.
[45:36] Speaker 1: Well and also, and I know there'll be somebody listening
[45:40] Speaker 1: to this thinking, oh, it's woke. The truth is the
[45:43] Speaker 1: NBA is a more progressive league. So if any league
[45:46] Speaker 1: was going to do it, it would be the NBA. Yeah,
[45:49] Speaker 1: and they talk more politics than any league. That's just
[45:53] Speaker 1: the history of the league.
[45:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also, I'm just I'm so sick and
[45:57] Speaker 2: tired of being policed by people being like, oh, that's
[46:00] Speaker 2: a woke thought, Like it's it's not a pejorative. Shut up.
[46:04] Speaker 2: I don't I don't care. I don't care like you
[46:07] Speaker 2: did the Okay, fine, fine, make your comment on your
[46:14] Speaker 2: on your block. Oh it's a woke thought that a
[46:17] Speaker 2: woman could teach about the drop coverage in a I'm
[46:21] Speaker 2: not asking her to do a three sixty dunk, like
[46:25] Speaker 2: I'm not asking her to guard Lebron Like like if
[46:28] Speaker 2: you've seen again like stan Van Nundy, there's this crazy
[46:33] Speaker 2: video of people should watch it of him doing like
[46:35] Speaker 2: a little dribble combo move and he like goes between
[46:38] Speaker 2: the legs, between the legs and behind the back and
[46:40] Speaker 2: and he's just like messing around before a practice and
[46:42] Speaker 2: it went viral and it got like millions of views,
[46:44] Speaker 2: and they were like, how does the like short, fat
[46:47] Speaker 2: white guy know how to dribble a basketball? And it's like, well,
[46:49] Speaker 2: he played like Lai d three ball like he can.
[46:54] Speaker 2: His mind was a better teacher of basketball than his
[46:58] Speaker 2: athleticism allowed him to do it. But he right cross
[47:02] Speaker 2: the threshold. We're like, well, he could play at a
[47:04] Speaker 2: high enough level to know enough about the game to
[47:06] Speaker 2: be able to speak to players clear.
[47:09] Speaker 1: And the truth of the same thing, how many great
[47:12] Speaker 1: players in any sport have been great coaches. The truth
[47:15] Speaker 1: of the matter, it's often somebody who has played the
[47:19] Speaker 1: sport a little men or women, but have this sort
[47:22] Speaker 1: of they were a utility infielder in baseball, they were
[47:25] Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's like the truth is coaches
[47:28] Speaker 1: usually have to you have to get respect from players
[47:32] Speaker 1: because like Larry Bird is the rare legend who coaches
[47:35] Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, he's competent, that's rare. So you
[47:38] Speaker 1: always have to get buy in from players in all sports.
[47:41] Speaker 1: Like Mike Rabel physical you get buy in one of
[47:44] Speaker 1: the smartest, but it looks like he can beat up
[47:46] Speaker 1: half the team, like there's a physical presence with Rabel,
[47:49] Speaker 1: like he gets immediate buying. Mike McDaniel, though, ill argue
[47:52] Speaker 1: this all day. Mike McDaniel had to convince those guys
[47:55] Speaker 1: he looks like a sports writer. He's snarky and funny
[47:58] Speaker 1: like a writer. Like he doesn't walk into a room
[48:01] Speaker 1: of fifty five alpha male and there's like complete buy in.
[48:04] Speaker 1: I guarantee you he thought a lot about that in football,
[48:08] Speaker 1: especially because it's a size league.
[48:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, And but like in basket like you're
[48:16] Speaker 2: the only comment in here that I was like, I'm
[48:17] Speaker 2: not even sure, like like I don't know what Maya
[48:20] Speaker 2: War's level would have been because you don't see like
[48:22] Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark playing in pickup games with Kevin Durant in
[48:25] Speaker 2: the off prison right like right, like we're not we're
[48:28] Speaker 2: not anywhere close to a woman playing in the NBA, right,
[48:32] Speaker 2: But coaching, Yeah, that's not that that's not a leap
[48:37] Speaker 2: to me in any way, Like it they already do,
[48:41] Speaker 2: Like they already coach in the NBA right now, So
[48:45] Speaker 2: like to be the head coach is not some sort
[48:47] Speaker 2: of crazy thing for me to wrap my mind around.
[48:50] Speaker 2: And my understanding is it's not a crazy thing for
[48:52] Speaker 2: players to wrap their mind around either, as long as
[48:55] Speaker 2: you can have. One assistant coach described it to me
[48:58] Speaker 2: as like they just want to know that you have.
[48:59] Speaker 1: The n of the test yep.
[49:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, like like they there was like a hand signal
[49:05] Speaker 2: that a point guard was calling out and Lebron looked
[49:09] Speaker 2: to this assistant coach and the assistant coach didn't have it,
[49:13] Speaker 2: and he said it ruined like his month because he
[49:16] Speaker 2: felt like he had like let Lebron down. He didn't
[49:18] Speaker 2: have the scout the signal on the scouting report, and
[49:21] Speaker 2: he was a new coach on the staff and he
[49:22] Speaker 2: felt like he had to like earn his trust back
[49:26] Speaker 2: and like they talked about it afterwards and it was
[49:28] Speaker 2: this whole big thing, and he's like, I felt like
[49:29] Speaker 2: he was testing me. He wasn't. He was just asking
[49:32] Speaker 2: what the call was from the other team of the
[49:34] Speaker 2: scouting report. But like, there's no doubt that that's going
[49:36] Speaker 2: to happen in basketball, because of course a woman could
[49:39] Speaker 2: pass that test, no question.
[49:41] Speaker 1: You know what's funny. Maybe we can end it here
[49:43] Speaker 1: because I've always thought this funny, like sports is always
[49:46] Speaker 1: trying to kind of manufacture parody. You know, you win,
[49:51] Speaker 1: you you when you win, you know, you get the
[49:57] Speaker 1: last draft pick, and there's limitation. You know, the lottery
[50:01] Speaker 1: is set up to you know, even though the number
[50:03] Speaker 1: one team doesn't win, it's usually like the fourth or
[50:04] Speaker 1: fifth best odds win. A bad team gets good players.
[50:10] Speaker 1: I think a lot of times the media. The two
[50:12] Speaker 1: things the media does that I kind of roll my
[50:14] Speaker 1: eyes at. They make everything feel like the end of
[50:18] Speaker 1: the world. I mean, people have to remember I'm old enough,
[50:22] Speaker 1: I don't remember this, but I remember my dad and
[50:25] Speaker 1: mom and people talked about this. In the sixties, our
[50:29] Speaker 1: president was assassinated, so is his brother, so was MLKA,
[50:34] Speaker 1: middle of a Vietnam war, and by seventy two earned
[50:36] Speaker 1: Watergate you think we have casts now with tariffs, like
[50:41] Speaker 1: folks like the media tends to make every current bit
[50:46] Speaker 1: of turbulence seem like I mean, I thought our COVID
[50:50] Speaker 1: coverage it was okay for about two months because it
[50:52] Speaker 1: was new. We didn't know what was happening. But it
[50:55] Speaker 1: did get to a point after about six months, we're
[50:57] Speaker 1: not all going to die that this like there was
[51:01] Speaker 1: there was pretty odvious stuff that that we were saying
[51:04] Speaker 1: that kids were safe, you could go to school. It
[51:07] Speaker 1: was mostly seventy five and older, like like in the
[51:10] Speaker 1: in the media for about two years, the stories were
[51:14] Speaker 1: it was relentless run for your life. So that's my
[51:18] Speaker 1: first thing that drives me nuts. It's that we have
[51:20] Speaker 1: to be a little less hyperbolic. And I think about
[51:22] Speaker 1: this all the time as a sports guy. The second
[51:24] Speaker 1: thing is they can be nia, we can be naive
[51:26] Speaker 1: a little bit, and so I remember when these the
[51:29] Speaker 1: media can be like, guys, you're being idealistic. And I
[51:32] Speaker 1: understand the media is young and hopeful, but when the
[51:35] Speaker 1: NIL came out, I can remember a lot of these stories,
[51:38] Speaker 1: and I can remember fans doing this. You know what.
[51:40] Speaker 1: Finally Purdue can compete and now because everybody said, anybody
[51:47] Speaker 1: can transfer. You won't have to sit behind Ohio State's
[51:50] Speaker 1: left tackle. You can go. And I look at today
[51:53] Speaker 1: Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia. Is that I think the
[51:59] Speaker 1: NIL and transfer portal are fascinating. One players needed to
[52:05] Speaker 1: be paid, and two I think the transfer portal. I
[52:10] Speaker 1: think you should have to wait eighteen months to transfer,
[52:13] Speaker 1: like I think you should be able to transfer two
[52:14] Speaker 1: or three times. You can't keep transferring. Don't tell me.
[52:16] Speaker 1: Coaches do Power five coaches don't transfer every six weeks.
[52:20] Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. But I guess my
[52:23] Speaker 1: point is, do you do you love college sports less
[52:30] Speaker 1: now that money is involved? Because I have friends who
[52:32] Speaker 1: are like, I hate the NIL. My take is, yeah,
[52:36] Speaker 1: when the Huskies end up in the playoff, you'll be
[52:39] Speaker 1: watching when Washington's facing Notre Dame. Don't tell me that,
[52:43] Speaker 1: but I hear this all the time. NIL transfer Portal's
[52:46] Speaker 1: ruined it for me. Yeah, I don't, No, I don't.
[52:49] Speaker 1: I mean they were getting paid before. There's just like
[52:53] Speaker 1: I remember the point guard of the Syracuse basketball team
[52:56] Speaker 1: when I was there, driving like a Dodge Charger that
[52:59] Speaker 1: was all souped up.
[53:00] Speaker 2: Then I was like, how where did that come from?
[53:04] Speaker 2: You know what I mean, how did that happen? And
[53:08] Speaker 2: so you know, it's just that part never bothered me.
[53:12] Speaker 2: I think what is dumb about it is that we
[53:16] Speaker 2: went from guys getting suspended for selling their sugar bowl
[53:24] Speaker 2: jersey and that was the biggest terrelle prior the biggest
[53:28] Speaker 2: story in the world.
[53:30] Speaker 1: I remember that and right.
[53:32] Speaker 2: And now it's like, oh, this guy got four million
[53:38] Speaker 2: trans and it's like, well, wait what And I have
[53:42] Speaker 2: no problem get go get your money. But I they
[53:47] Speaker 2: because they had their head in the sand for so long,
[53:50] Speaker 2: and they just let it be the wild West for
[53:52] Speaker 2: so long, and they fought against unionization, and they fought
[53:57] Speaker 2: against revenue sharing, and they fought against it's the video
[54:00] Speaker 2: game and like all of the things that just like, wait,
[54:03] Speaker 2: I can I can buy a Syracuse fifteen jersey, but
[54:07] Speaker 2: it can't say Anthony on the back, and so like
[54:10] Speaker 2: Mellow doesn't get a piece of the cut, like what
[54:14] Speaker 2: like like it was just so stupid for so long
[54:17] Speaker 2: that now the only thing that bothers me about it
[54:22] Speaker 2: is that it's not that it's so far the other way,
[54:25] Speaker 2: but it's like people like, oh that Cooper Flagg made
[54:28] Speaker 2: twenty million dollars in name, image, and likeness last year,
[54:31] Speaker 2: and it's like, can you prove that? Like I wish,
[54:34] Speaker 2: I wish there was like a I like that, I
[54:37] Speaker 2: know what Aaron Rodgers signed for. I like that I
[54:41] Speaker 2: know what Lebron gets paid. Like I there's a salary gap.
[54:45] Speaker 2: It makes it easy to fund find and follow, and
[54:48] Speaker 2: you can play GM and Fantasy Football and trades and
[54:52] Speaker 2: Dynasty Mode in that and like a lot of us
[54:54] Speaker 2: like following sports from like the GM perspective of it,
[54:58] Speaker 2: because we never had any chance to be the quarterback
[55:00] Speaker 2: of the team. And now it's just like who's paying
[55:03] Speaker 2: for the point guard? It's it's under Armour, or it's Nike,
[55:08] Speaker 2: or it's a car dealership. Like it's just I wish
[55:10] Speaker 2: that there was more transparency in how it all worked,
[55:16] Speaker 2: as opposed to like, oh, arch Manning has a reported
[55:20] Speaker 2: six million dollar ANIL deal and it's like, well, who's
[55:23] Speaker 2: reporting it from? Where is it a booster? Is it
[55:27] Speaker 2: a sponsor? Like I just wish that it was more
[55:29] Speaker 2: transparent so that we could follow it and understand it more.
[55:33] Speaker 2: Georgia has fifty million dollars in their fund perdue has
[55:37] Speaker 2: six million in there. That's really impressive that Perdue is
[55:41] Speaker 2: able to be the Billy Bean Oakland Athletics of the
[55:45] Speaker 2: Big ten and like punch above their weight class and
[55:47] Speaker 2: compete with Ohio State. But we're just in the dark
[55:50] Speaker 2: on all of the money of it, like we always were, frankly.
[55:54] Speaker 2: But it's like they're trying to tell us, oh, yeah,
[55:57] Speaker 2: now they're getting paid and it's all above board, but
[56:00] Speaker 2: it's clearly still not. And I don't know if I'm
[56:03] Speaker 2: rambling here a little bit or if you're following what
[56:05] Speaker 2: I'm saying. No, no, no, but it's like we need
[56:08] Speaker 2: to have a happy medium. But there's clearly billions of
[56:12] Speaker 2: dollars and more of it is going to the players,
[56:16] Speaker 2: and that's good, but it's not regulated in any way
[56:20] Speaker 2: that makes sense, and it's not regulated in any way
[56:23] Speaker 2: that a fan can realistically follow. And so I think
[56:27] Speaker 2: that that It doesn't make me like it less, but
[56:31] Speaker 2: it makes me understand it less. Like why did this
[56:34] Speaker 2: player transfer there? Why are they leaving after one year?
[56:37] Speaker 2: How much money are they getting? Oh I would transfer
[56:39] Speaker 2: there too, if maybe they were giving me four million
[56:42] Speaker 2: dollars in this place is only giving me one million dollars,
[56:45] Speaker 2: but I want that to be above board and reported
[56:47] Speaker 2: with some level of accuracy, and I feel like it's
[56:50] Speaker 2: not at all.
[56:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, the the thing about the one thing I'll say
[56:54] Speaker 1: about the transfer portal, I think Jay Billis is a
[56:56] Speaker 1: really smart guy. I think he's really wrong on one
[56:58] Speaker 1: thing when he says, well, coaches can transfer, why can't players?
[57:01] Speaker 1: And my take is because Eric Shanks is responsible for
[57:05] Speaker 1: all of Fox Sports, I'm just responsible for my show.
[57:09] Speaker 1: A coach isn't a player. A coach is responsible for
[57:13] Speaker 1: the staff, the brand, the name, the players, responsible for himself.
[57:19] Speaker 1: So in the end, if a coach gets bought out,
[57:23] Speaker 1: if the athletic department like makes him pay some money
[57:26] Speaker 1: back and he leaves, that's not a player leaving. Let's
[57:29] Speaker 1: I mean people and bosses i've had at the big
[57:32] Speaker 1: companies I've worked at have pensions that I'm not allowed
[57:35] Speaker 1: to get. I'm just an employee their management. So the
[57:39] Speaker 1: only thing I hear about, well, well, players, you know,
[57:42] Speaker 1: coaches do that. Coaches are management. Management's different. Management has
[57:46] Speaker 1: things they will never let you see. There are documents
[57:49] Speaker 1: that management has at Fox Sports. I don't get to
[57:52] Speaker 1: see where they're going, what they're doing what corner's coming up,
[57:56] Speaker 1: the contract negotiations. Players don't get to see everything coaches do.
[58:00] Speaker 1: You don't get all the information, you don't have to
[58:03] Speaker 1: balance the budget, you don't have to be a capologist.
[58:06] Speaker 1: So that my thing on I don't believe players should
[58:08] Speaker 1: be able to just transfer constantly. I think like every
[58:11] Speaker 1: eighteen months that'll give you two transfers. Basically, if you
[58:15] Speaker 1: stay for four or five years, you get two transfers
[58:17] Speaker 1: outside of your initial signing. But I think I think
[58:20] Speaker 1: sign transfer trans.
[58:21] Speaker 2: I think that's reasonable. I think that if you if
[58:24] Speaker 2: you're a kid who's going to a college because the
[58:27] Speaker 2: coach recruited you, and then the coach leaves, I also
[58:31] Speaker 2: think that should open you up. So if I sign
[58:34] Speaker 2: on to play college football, yeah Onnson and Davo and Davo,
[58:38] Speaker 2: and then Dabo decides to leave, Like, I think that.
[58:41] Speaker 2: I think that that is a reasonable thing for a
[58:43] Speaker 2: kid to be able to say, well, wait, I signed
[58:45] Speaker 2: on to play for this coach and now this coach
[58:47] Speaker 2: is not there anymore, So I want to be able
[58:49] Speaker 2: to move. But also kids should be able to go
[58:53] Speaker 2: to college where they want to.
[58:57] Speaker 1: For the most part, right, Yeah, I think again. I
[59:03] Speaker 1: think you have to have guardrails on everything. Yeah, I
[59:08] Speaker 1: think just everything needs guardrail. AI AI needs it, the
[59:12] Speaker 1: Internet needs it, like it. I don't think it's crazy.
[59:15] Speaker 1: I've said this before. Canada's got certain restrictions, like you
[59:17] Speaker 1: have to on a Canadian radio station play Canadian artists
[59:21] Speaker 1: a percentage of the time. I've never thought it's crazy
[59:24] Speaker 1: to restrict some of the things allowed on the Internet.
[59:27] Speaker 1: Every other country does, like to just say, hey, listen,
[59:29] Speaker 1: we're not going to allow like blank blank blank, like
[59:33] Speaker 1: like heavy violence on it. We're not going to allow that.
[59:36] Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I'm punitive or ultra conservative,
[59:41] Speaker 1: like there's crap in the internet kids shouldn't see. And
[59:44] Speaker 1: if we can't tell, you know, parents, some parents at
[59:47] Speaker 1: six let their kids get on the internet, Well then
[59:49] Speaker 1: we shouldn't. We should have things that are completely absolutely restricted.
[59:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, reasonable restrictions for the right. There's a reason why
[59:56] Speaker 2: there are seatbelt laws because it's a good idea right.
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: It's a good idea to right to protect people from themselves,
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: et cetera. I know I had no problem with that,
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: but I just like the U asked, like, does it
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: make me like it less. It doesn't make me like
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: it less. It makes me resents the leadership a little
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: bit more because I feel like this could have been
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: done twenty years ago, like in partnership with the players. Oh,
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: you guys want to be in a video game and
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: have your name in there and get a little bit
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: of money, and like we could have like eased into
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: this as opposed to going from nothing to everything all
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: at once. And now it's just very messy and very confusing,
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: and high school kids have agents and it just you know,
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: it just does. It's just it went. It went so
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: far so fast that I feel like it needs to
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: come back a little bit, not in terms of like
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: make less money, but in terms of to your point,
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: regulation it needs to just make a little bit more
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: sense as a system for the best terment of everybody.
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: Danny Parkins, Okay, we rambled for an hour. We landed
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: on a couple of topics. I liked it. It was fun.
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, I never know. I don't prep these at all.
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: Can't you tell you don't tell me what's going to happen.
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: You can just talk for an hour.
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: Clearly I don't either.
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: Congratulations again, Colin, seriously.
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: All right, thanks Danny, Thanks Buddy. The volume

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