# Reaction to Raiders trading Maxx Crosby to Ravens, Free Agency Predictions

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 9 Mar 2026, 53 min.

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Colin Cowherd is joined by '3 & Out' host John Middlekauff to react to the latest in the NFL. They start with the blockbuster trade that sent Maxx Crosby from the Raiders to the Ravens. Where do the Ravens rank in the NFL after the move? How will the Raiders use their new picks in the NFL Draft. They talk about why Joe Burrow should be upset with the move. They discuss the other notable defensive players that have been traded recently for multiple first round picks and why teams are copying the Los Angeles Rams. Colin gives out his Herd Hierarchy. They give Free Agency predictions and look ahead to the 2026 NFL Draft. Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: The volume. All right, here we go, John Middlecoff and I.
[0:13] Speaker 1: I don't work tomorrow on TV, so this is my
[0:17] Speaker 1: I was down in Florida all weekend and hanging out
[0:20] Speaker 1: with my wife in Naples. Have you ever gone to Naples, by.
[0:22] Speaker 2: The way, Yeah, back when I was with the Eagles,
[0:25] Speaker 2: they had these scouting meetings at I forget the name
[0:30] Speaker 2: of the place. I mean right on the water. I
[0:32] Speaker 2: think it's about thirty minutes away from Naples. And then
[0:35] Speaker 2: the end you have a week long paid vacation. I'm
[0:38] Speaker 2: with a buddies, like, let's take a I don't even
[0:40] Speaker 2: think ubers existed. Back in twenty thirteen, we hopped in
[0:43] Speaker 2: a cab, went up there, had dinner. It was it
[0:46] Speaker 2: was nice fifteen years ago. I'll tell you that much.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exploded. Naples, Florida has exploded. I rented a
[0:54] Speaker 1: little with a friend, a little twenty two foot boat
[0:58] Speaker 1: to kind of go around and look at the billionaire
[1:01] Speaker 1: row of homes and my friends in realty. He's like, Oh,
[1:06] Speaker 1: that's boom boom, boom boom. Some people live. Well, that's all.
[1:10] Speaker 1: I'm on a twenty two foot boat looking at thirty
[1:14] Speaker 1: five thousand square foot homes, but it was beautiful. So
[1:18] Speaker 1: you know, listen, let's start with Max Crosby. So I
[1:21] Speaker 1: had said this before. I think he was kind of
[1:23] Speaker 1: the soul of the Raiders, but they're breaking it down
[1:26] Speaker 1: to the foundation. I thought they they may keep Max
[1:30] Speaker 1: because they have like twelve draft picks, eleven or twelve
[1:33] Speaker 1: draft picks, so if they hit on seven or eight
[1:35] Speaker 1: of those, they've got plenty of money. They're not paying
[1:37] Speaker 1: their quarterback for four years, so I would just keep
[1:40] Speaker 1: Max Crosby. But I think you know, they're looking at
[1:42] Speaker 1: he's an older player, still great. But I think I
[1:46] Speaker 1: saw a story today they're interested in Tyler Linderbaum, the
[1:49] Speaker 1: great center from Baltimore, and it's like the Giants and
[1:54] Speaker 1: the Raiders, which I think would be a huge move
[1:56] Speaker 1: because they drafted Jackson Powers Johnson Jackson to Cowers Johnson
[2:04] Speaker 1: JPJ from Oregon, and he didn't play center. He played guard,
[2:09] Speaker 1: so he's more comfortable at guard. He's very good. So
[2:12] Speaker 1: to me, this feels like the Raiders are doing if
[2:14] Speaker 1: they get Tyler Lindebaum. It feels a little bit like
[2:17] Speaker 1: Ben Johnson to the Bears. Here's the quarterback and I'm
[2:20] Speaker 1: gonna get the interior of the old line. I'm gonna
[2:23] Speaker 1: go get now. Drew Dolman just retired after one year
[2:25] Speaker 1: in Chicago. But do you like the Max Crosby deal
[2:29] Speaker 1: for them, especially for the Raiders if they get Tyler
[2:33] Speaker 1: Lindebaum because of the availability to you know, pay him
[2:37] Speaker 1: top of the market.
[2:38] Speaker 2: Well, I like it simply because it was time, you know.
[2:42] Speaker 2: I think quietly he kind of wanted out. He wasn't
[2:45] Speaker 2: gonna do it, kind of like a Yannis situation, because
[2:47] Speaker 2: he loves the fans, he loves the franchise, Right, Colin,
[2:50] Speaker 2: they got more again. We'll have to see what plays
[2:52] Speaker 2: out next year. The Dallas Cowboys traded Michael Parsons and
[2:56] Speaker 2: they are lucky. I mean, it took a Micah Parson's
[2:59] Speaker 2: injury and a crazy comeback in a playoff game. They
[3:02] Speaker 2: got picked twenty. I didn't quite realize that the moment
[3:05] Speaker 2: the trade was made, and then you give it five minutes.
[3:08] Speaker 2: The Ravens missed the playoffs and win eight and nine,
[3:10] Speaker 2: which sometimes gets you picked eighteen. It's picked fourteen. Yes,
[3:15] Speaker 2: and I think I saw Warren sharp. This is the
[3:17] Speaker 2: highest amount of draft capital any team's ever had because
[3:20] Speaker 2: they got the first pick in every round. You'd rather
[3:23] Speaker 2: have pick one in fourteen than pick eight to nine.
[3:25] Speaker 2: I mean, it is the fourteenth pick that that to
[3:28] Speaker 2: me is where it's like, damn, that was a lot, Colin.
[3:32] Speaker 1: You know. The other thing John to remember is they
[3:34] Speaker 1: already have The Raiders have two ones, A two to three,
[3:37] Speaker 1: three fours, two fives, two sixes. Those top that top
[3:42] Speaker 1: of round two. John, you do the first round. Guys
[3:45] Speaker 1: are making deals, gms are making deals all night. You
[3:49] Speaker 1: could move down seven spots and yeas another third or
[3:53] Speaker 1: a fifth or a fourth. So the Raiders really can
[3:58] Speaker 1: rebuild the entire franch guys quarterback, first pick, fourteenth pick,
[4:03] Speaker 1: you could have the top interior old lineman from Penn State.
[4:07] Speaker 1: You could have the second best corner. I mean you can.
[4:10] Speaker 1: You can do it. You have to probably replace Max
[4:13] Speaker 1: with one of your first three to four picks, you know,
[4:16] Speaker 1: but I mean, I it's the first time because Jackson
[4:20] Speaker 1: powers Johnson. You've got one and Colton Miller left tackle.
[4:25] Speaker 1: Jackson powers Johnson. You add Tyler Lindenbaum. It's like, oh,
[4:29] Speaker 1: this is what the Bears did. So I don't I
[4:31] Speaker 1: can't tell you the last time I was. I think
[4:33] Speaker 1: John Spytech it deserves a lot of credit for this.
[4:36] Speaker 1: How many teams do you think we're interested in Crosby?
[4:42] Speaker 2: This is why I never understood they won't get two
[4:45] Speaker 2: first round picks. Guys, every playoff team there are fourteen
[4:49] Speaker 2: playoff teams. The Raiders are obviously not even remotely close
[4:53] Speaker 2: to one of them. They were all interested. And then
[4:56] Speaker 2: you get and you then throw in the Cowboys, who
[4:59] Speaker 2: have that ammunition. Think they're gonna be pretty good this
[5:01] Speaker 2: year if they can flip it around on defense. So
[5:03] Speaker 2: I think when the dust settled, you probably had five
[5:06] Speaker 2: teams willing to get really aggressive, but no one could
[5:10] Speaker 2: trump that fourteenth pick. You know, you see stories on
[5:12] Speaker 2: the Jags, you see you know, teams like the Bear.
[5:15] Speaker 2: All these teams are in the twenties, colin in the
[5:17] Speaker 2: mid to late twenties. And then you go, if I
[5:19] Speaker 2: give a max, if I trade them to the Jags
[5:21] Speaker 2: or I trade them to the Bears, well, if they're
[5:23] Speaker 2: in the playoffs again, that's picked twenty five, and next
[5:25] Speaker 2: year that's picked twenty four. Where that's what the what's
[5:29] Speaker 2: the likelihood that the Cowboys pick. I guess they might
[5:32] Speaker 2: have already traded it because they traded for Quinn Williams.
[5:35] Speaker 2: But the way that they had set up to Micah deal,
[5:37] Speaker 2: that was looking like pick twenty eight and pick twenty
[5:40] Speaker 2: eight back to back years, which I'm not opposed, but
[5:43] Speaker 2: when I see I can't believe they the Bills gave
[5:46] Speaker 2: up a second rounder for DJ Moore. Guy, guys, it's
[5:49] Speaker 2: pick sixty. It's not picked thirty seven. These things are
[5:52] Speaker 2: not equal, you know, Colin, I'm in my home, you're
[5:56] Speaker 2: in your home. We're both homeowners. Were not equal if
[5:59] Speaker 2: we sold our home. They're not the same. So it's
[6:01] Speaker 2: like when I see these things get thrown around, Well,
[6:03] Speaker 2: they're offering a first round pick, Well, we're in the
[6:05] Speaker 2: first round because pick fourteen is fantastic. Pick twenty nine,
[6:09] Speaker 2: like the Chiefs, they did well. But pick you'd ask Andy,
[6:13] Speaker 2: would you rather pick? You know, there's a big difference.
[6:15] Speaker 2: There's a big gap. If I would have told you
[6:16] Speaker 2: they would have got the Rams thirteenth overall pick, you
[6:18] Speaker 2: would have been like, oh my god.
[6:20] Speaker 1: What a hole. Yeah, the Dj Moore pick, to me,
[6:24] Speaker 1: I thought worked for Buffalo because Keon Coleman now there's
[6:27] Speaker 1: no pressure on him to work he had a touchdown
[6:30] Speaker 1: in the game against I think Denver in the playoffs.
[6:31] Speaker 1: So he's a kid, he's a big play kid. But
[6:34] Speaker 1: now you've got your running back, your quarterback, your left tackle,
[6:37] Speaker 1: a very good slot receiver, a number one and if
[6:41] Speaker 1: Keon Coleman is kind of a fifty catch forty three
[6:45] Speaker 1: catch guy, but a big you know, he's sort of
[6:47] Speaker 1: just like Rashid Shaheed for the Seahawks. He's just a
[6:50] Speaker 1: big play guy. About twice a game. You go downfield,
[6:54] Speaker 1: you keep the safeties. Honest, I thought DJ Moore to
[6:58] Speaker 1: Buffalo was a great pick. And you make a great
[7:00] Speaker 1: point on this is that Brett Viach is a very
[7:04] Speaker 1: very good general manager for the Chiefs. I mean, Xavier
[7:08] Speaker 1: Worthy last year at the end of the first round
[7:11] Speaker 1: is kind of I wouldn't say a gadget receiver, but
[7:14] Speaker 1: he's not a volume receiver. Now that's a that's about
[7:17] Speaker 1: as well as you can do late first round, which
[7:19] Speaker 1: is get an explosive first round level athlete. But if
[7:23] Speaker 1: he was a volume receiver McKay lemon usc you'd go
[7:27] Speaker 1: mid first round. And McKay lemon doesn't have Worthy speed
[7:30] Speaker 1: or explosiveness. But you know, you're end of the first round.
[7:35] Speaker 1: I mean years ago the Chiefs kind of whiffed on
[7:37] Speaker 1: a running back out of LSU late first round. So
[7:39] Speaker 1: it's no man's land.
[7:41] Speaker 2: This is very when you look at the Ravens. I
[7:43] Speaker 2: was reading a couple of stories over the last twenty
[7:45] Speaker 2: four hours. They've never I mean, obviously they've made big
[7:48] Speaker 2: acquisitions on older players or veteran players, you know historically
[7:52] Speaker 2: from Ankwon Boldens to Steve Smith's to Rokewan Smith. Like
[7:55] Speaker 2: they are an aggressive organization. They've never traded a first
[7:58] Speaker 2: round pick for a player, and typically over the Lamar
[8:02] Speaker 2: era they have drafted what I would twenty four to
[8:05] Speaker 2: twenty eight range, right, So they are not This is
[8:09] Speaker 2: a very valuable pick, if memory serves me correct. Kyle
[8:12] Speaker 2: Hamilton was the fourteenth pick in the draft. Now, all
[8:15] Speaker 2: drafts aren't equal, and I'm not saying there's a Kyle
[8:17] Speaker 2: Hamilton in this draft. And my point is that's how
[8:20] Speaker 2: gms think, Like if I'm fourteen, I can get a guy.
[8:23] Speaker 2: I mean, Michah Parsons was the eleventh pick. You know,
[8:26] Speaker 2: Jalen Carter was the ninth pick, where the kid you
[8:29] Speaker 2: just never know how a draft shakes out Laramie Tunzel.
[8:31] Speaker 2: The picture comes out all of a sudden, He's there
[8:33] Speaker 2: at whatever pick ten or eleven. Weird things happen around
[8:36] Speaker 2: the draft. Stories come out, like the Raiders have an
[8:40] Speaker 2: opportunity now. They did this once upon a time, and
[8:42] Speaker 2: I was living in the Bay Area. They had three
[8:45] Speaker 2: first round picks one year because they had traded Khalil
[8:47] Speaker 2: Mack and they had traded Amari Cooper in the same year.
[8:50] Speaker 2: And they whiffed on basically every pick over that run
[8:53] Speaker 2: except for Josh Jacobs. So it is now incumbent on
[8:56] Speaker 2: them to hit the pick. But listen, I've known Spy Tech.
[9:00] Speaker 2: He left Eagles right before I was with him and
[9:01] Speaker 2: Jason Light at the combine. He I think he's really good.
[9:05] Speaker 2: And if you watch Max Crosby's I don't know if
[9:07] Speaker 2: you watched it, it's about his genuine, no notes, just
[9:10] Speaker 2: him talking to have that much loyalty and passion to
[9:13] Speaker 2: a team that he didn't have any success on besides
[9:16] Speaker 2: personally but not as a team. It was you know,
[9:19] Speaker 2: that's just refreshing to see a guy if you're a
[9:21] Speaker 2: Raider fan, this guy really cared about my organization, even
[9:24] Speaker 2: though we're the butt of everyone's jokes. You could tell
[9:26] Speaker 2: it was difficult for him because he kind of hasked
[9:28] Speaker 2: to sign off on this as well. And I just
[9:31] Speaker 2: think that listen, he's you know these coaches, he is
[9:35] Speaker 2: as highly thought of as any one you're gonna find
[9:37] Speaker 2: in the NFL. I mean, he's been sober for six years.
[9:40] Speaker 2: He's in there every morning at five am. He is
[9:43] Speaker 2: a no bullshit guy. He plays the game like he practices,
[9:47] Speaker 2: and he's an impact player at a premium position. The
[9:51] Speaker 2: Ravens ger getting a really really I mean a Hall
[9:54] Speaker 2: of Fame level guy.
[9:55] Speaker 1: So in the last five years, the Ravens have blown
[9:58] Speaker 1: the most fourth quarter leads. Now the last two they're
[10:01] Speaker 1: seventeen and five if Lamar is playing, and they lead
[10:05] Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. So they're better at it. But
[10:08] Speaker 1: I get I get them saying, Okay, we planned a
[10:12] Speaker 1: division with Joe Burrow, you know, probably Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Mahomes,
[10:22] Speaker 1: Herbert C. J. Strouder in the division. I think what
[10:24] Speaker 1: Baltimore is saying is and I thought Green Bay did
[10:27] Speaker 1: this as well. We're just gonna go it's our Mariano Rivera.
[10:31] Speaker 1: We're gonna go get a closer if because I know
[10:35] Speaker 1: Bill Paulion told me this years ago. He said, when
[10:37] Speaker 1: we drafted Peyton Manning, we knew we would lead most
[10:40] Speaker 1: of our games in the fourth quarter. That's why Dwight
[10:43] Speaker 1: Freeding was so valuable, is that, you know Max. I
[10:46] Speaker 1: said this the other day on FS one. Think how
[10:50] Speaker 1: great Max Crosby was. How often do the Raiders lead
[10:53] Speaker 1: in the fourth Never? Never, there's nine minutes to go,
[10:57] Speaker 1: Teams are running the ball on the Raiders. They're trying
[11:00] Speaker 1: to kill the clock. They don't want players hurt. They're
[11:02] Speaker 1: trying to get out of Vegas and go home. Max
[11:04] Speaker 1: Crosby now is going to be his last twelve snaps
[11:09] Speaker 1: are going to be sacked. But his last twelve snaps
[11:12] Speaker 1: with the Raiders are usually you know, it's a run play.
[11:16] Speaker 1: So I think I think the Ravens are gonna listen.
[11:19] Speaker 1: The bottom line is if Max is a monster for
[11:22] Speaker 1: two years and they get to an AFC championship, you're
[11:24] Speaker 1: going to look at it and go worth it. The
[11:27] Speaker 1: only thing it's funny with the Raiders, John and and
[11:29] Speaker 1: I you being a former scout, So the Raiders have
[11:33] Speaker 1: so many picks now, so two first, the second, the third,
[11:36] Speaker 1: three fourths fists. They can have multiple picks. But Tom
[11:39] Speaker 1: Tellesco told me this years ago. He said, you know,
[11:42] Speaker 1: you have to be careful about being too young. You know.
[11:45] Speaker 1: Let's say you could trade a great player and get
[11:47] Speaker 1: four picks. He said, I'd sometimes rather have three picks
[11:50] Speaker 1: in a player. The Raiders are going to rebuild their franchise,
[11:55] Speaker 1: but people should be patient. But with that many picks,
[11:59] Speaker 1: like I could see the if they have three fourth
[12:01] Speaker 1: round picks, I could see them using two of them
[12:03] Speaker 1: and getting a second third. Like I look at the
[12:06] Speaker 1: Raiders and I think to myself, in that division, it's
[12:09] Speaker 1: not just about making sure your picks can play. You
[12:11] Speaker 1: need impact guys.
[12:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think one thing they have to
[12:15] Speaker 2: do over the next I don't know three or four days,
[12:19] Speaker 2: is potentially overpay a high level, veteran winning type guy.
[12:25] Speaker 2: You know, get a guy who has been a part
[12:28] Speaker 2: of a winner, who is a high character team leader.
[12:32] Speaker 2: If you got to overpay them, and listen, they got
[12:33] Speaker 2: advantages people like living in Vegas, no state income tax.
[12:36] Speaker 2: It's not like a tough sell in free agency in football.
[12:40] Speaker 2: This isn't basketball or baseball like these guys go where
[12:43] Speaker 2: you give them the most money. And I would imagine
[12:45] Speaker 2: Spike Tech because he can't he game from Tampa, where
[12:48] Speaker 2: by the time Brady got there, they had the infrastructure.
[12:51] Speaker 2: Tom just provided that veteran leadership and now once he left,
[12:54] Speaker 2: all those guys were equipped because they just watched Tom.
[12:57] Speaker 2: And then you had the Vita veas you had them.
[12:58] Speaker 2: You know, Mike Evans was already high level guy. If
[13:01] Speaker 2: I'm the Raiders, Hey, Mike, who's offering you? What? What's
[13:04] Speaker 2: the most you got at ten? Hey Waffery of fifteen,
[13:06] Speaker 2: you know you've already wanted Super Bowl. You're already going
[13:09] Speaker 2: to the Hall of Fame. We will overpay for what
[13:11] Speaker 2: you bring in tangibly to our facility, because, like you said,
[13:16] Speaker 2: you can't put that all on Medoza, you can't put
[13:18] Speaker 2: that all on Carnel Tait or whoever you take with
[13:21] Speaker 2: the fourteenth pick. You're gonna need some guys for them
[13:23] Speaker 2: to look up to. And that was Max, who is
[13:26] Speaker 2: probably as good as anyone, and he's like him Fred Warnerly.
[13:29] Speaker 2: It's a short list of like you could not meet
[13:32] Speaker 2: a human that can say a bad word about these guys.
[13:34] Speaker 2: And then when you factor in how good of a
[13:36] Speaker 2: player they are. But I thought that like it had
[13:40] Speaker 2: come to the you know, the happiest three guys in
[13:41] Speaker 2: the league, not in Baltimore. They're Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid,
[13:44] Speaker 2: Sean Payton. Because the Raiders have not been a good team,
[13:47] Speaker 2: but they were a pain to play when Max is
[13:49] Speaker 2: playing because he could just throw off. Those are three
[13:52] Speaker 2: offensive guys, you know, Andy, I mean, talk to Andy
[13:55] Speaker 2: about him. I mean he revers Max. I at think I
[13:58] Speaker 2: read something Sean Payton at Max Crosby at Techs yesterday.
[14:02] Speaker 2: So I mean, these guys they don't just they're pretty
[14:05] Speaker 2: numb to good players right now. They view Max as
[14:08] Speaker 2: like high level respect because they also know how bad
[14:10] Speaker 2: that team's been and now good. Remember we turn on
[14:13] Speaker 2: like random Friday night Blackfry or was it Christmas Eve
[14:16] Speaker 2: games and the Raiders are playing the Broncos. It's like, God,
[14:19] Speaker 2: this is hard, you know because Max, Yeah.
[14:23] Speaker 1: No, they often played the Chiefs and the Broncos tight.
[14:27] Speaker 1: You know the utter thing I thought about, think about
[14:29] Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. So they let Trey Hendrickson walk instead of
[14:33] Speaker 1: trading him for a really good player, like like the Raiders,
[14:36] Speaker 1: John spy tech smartly did. He got a two first
[14:39] Speaker 1: round picks out of it. The Bengals classic Bengals let
[14:42] Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, who's not as good as Max Crosby, but
[14:45] Speaker 1: he's a very good player. They let him walk. So
[14:48] Speaker 1: Burrow now in his division has Max Crosby twice a year,
[14:51] Speaker 1: Miles Garrett twice a year, and DJ Watt twice a year,
[14:55] Speaker 1: and his rush end is gone. I have theori with
[15:00] Speaker 1: I just saw a picture of it was Joe Burrow.
[15:03] Speaker 1: I think it's this offseason in Vegas playing with some
[15:06] Speaker 1: like celebrity and beautiful.
[15:07] Speaker 2: I think it was just Galba.
[15:10] Speaker 1: And my take is Burrow, just for his sanity, has
[15:15] Speaker 1: really enjoyed his off seasons because I think deep down
[15:21] Speaker 1: he knows, you know, I'm not playing with the same
[15:24] Speaker 1: level of scouting department. We don't make deals during the deadline.
[15:28] Speaker 1: I mean letting Trey Hendrickson walk and getting nothing for him.
[15:31] Speaker 1: It's just it's to me, it's outrageous, and I think
[15:35] Speaker 1: sometimes fans don't understand, like the most exciting thing about
[15:39] Speaker 1: the Raiders is not Fernando Mendoza and it's not Clint Kobiac.
[15:43] Speaker 1: It's John spytech. You have a competent general manager who's
[15:46] Speaker 1: deal making. So I don't know. I look at I
[15:50] Speaker 1: look at the Bengals letting Trey Hendrickson walk, and I
[15:53] Speaker 1: look at Joe Burrow and I think, God, that division
[15:56] Speaker 1: and the Bengals, for the record, have a bottom ten
[15:58] Speaker 1: offensive line.
[15:59] Speaker 2: Adding too, I at this point in time, I mean,
[16:03] Speaker 2: he signed a contract with a pretty questionable organization. Now
[16:08] Speaker 2: you're young, to offer you a ton of money, It's
[16:10] Speaker 2: it's easy to say, looking back several years, you know
[16:12] Speaker 2: what you're signing up for. It does inevitably have a
[16:16] Speaker 2: feel of like Sean McVay trading three ones, three twos
[16:19] Speaker 2: and three threes for him next offseason when he kind
[16:22] Speaker 2: of makes a stink in demands a trade. I mean,
[16:23] Speaker 2: this thing feels headed toward a weird spot. Now, offensively
[16:27] Speaker 2: they are pretty good, you know, defensively some major question
[16:30] Speaker 2: mark still, but I mean they were kind of in
[16:33] Speaker 2: the mix in a weird way, you know, the last
[16:36] Speaker 2: couple of years with a lot of flaws. So now
[16:39] Speaker 2: Joe's got to stay healthy as well. But I hear you,
[16:42] Speaker 2: I mean they I still think they could be competitive,
[16:45] Speaker 2: and if he plays seventeen games. They're going to be
[16:48] Speaker 2: a playoff level competitive team.
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[18:10] Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. So the Colts Chris Ballard
[18:13] Speaker 1: last year gave up two firsts for sast Garden or
[18:16] Speaker 1: a corner who is one of the more athletic corners
[18:19] Speaker 1: in the league. The Ravens give up two first for
[18:22] Speaker 1: a great but older Max Crosby. The Rams have made
[18:26] Speaker 1: a habit of it, give up a first and a
[18:29] Speaker 1: third next year for Trent McDuffie, which is interesting because
[18:32] Speaker 1: next year you'd think they want the third because it's
[18:36] Speaker 1: the quarterback draft. And by giving up the first year
[18:40] Speaker 1: this year they're the second first. They're not going to
[18:42] Speaker 1: get Ty Simpson, who many speculated, And by giving up
[18:46] Speaker 1: a third next year, well, what can they What can
[18:49] Speaker 1: they give up? If they have to move up and
[18:51] Speaker 1: get an arch Manning or a top seven or eight quarterback.
[18:53] Speaker 1: It's going to be a great draft for quarterbacks next year.
[18:57] Speaker 1: And I was just wondering watching Chris Ballard and Sauce
[19:00] Speaker 1: Gardner and the Ravens DaCosta do that with Max Crosby,
[19:04] Speaker 1: and I do wonder, John, if this is a copycat league,
[19:08] Speaker 1: if the Rams have had real influence on the way
[19:11] Speaker 1: people look at first round picks, is that thirty percent
[19:15] Speaker 1: are busts, especially if it's the bottom eight to ten
[19:19] Speaker 1: picks in the first round. And I'm just looking at
[19:22] Speaker 1: these organizations, you know, giving up first and second round picks.
[19:27] Speaker 1: Do you think they're the Rams? Because basically they win
[19:30] Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, they have one rebuild year, and they
[19:33] Speaker 1: make the playoffs since and next year they'll be favored
[19:34] Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. Do you think the Rams
[19:36] Speaker 1: have a little bit of influence on this.
[19:38] Speaker 2: I I think they're more of an outlier because they
[19:41] Speaker 2: have consistently won when they've made the trades. I mean,
[19:44] Speaker 2: Ballard made that trade, which I respect. I would say
[19:46] Speaker 2: he's known as a conservative. GM is a little unlike
[19:50] Speaker 2: his track record, right to go all in and it
[19:53] Speaker 2: blew up in his face, Sauce got hurt, Daniel Jones
[19:56] Speaker 2: got hurt, Khalil Mack was traded for a couple first
[19:58] Speaker 2: round picks. They they never won a playoff game. I
[20:01] Speaker 2: mean a lot of times, Trey Lance, I mean they
[20:03] Speaker 2: went all in on that move. It blew up in
[20:05] Speaker 2: their face. They got lucky with Perty. I think it's more,
[20:07] Speaker 2: you know, the Ravens. I view the Ravens, the Rams
[20:10] Speaker 2: and the Bills are teams with all their chips in
[20:13] Speaker 2: the middle of the table this year, and if you're
[20:15] Speaker 2: the Rams, like they've been like that for a decade
[20:18] Speaker 2: close so to me, they've been operating pretty consistently like this,
[20:21] Speaker 2: and especially with Matt and I think when you look
[20:24] Speaker 2: at the other two teams, they go, we got two
[20:25] Speaker 2: Hall of Fame quarterbacks. It's now or never. I mean
[20:27] Speaker 2: both guys, like, are they going to be thriving at
[20:30] Speaker 2: thirty seven? I think you'd probably bet against it. The
[20:33] Speaker 2: way Lamar and Josh play during the prime of their career. Now,
[20:36] Speaker 2: I think there are anything less to me than an
[20:38] Speaker 2: AFC championship for either one of those two teams is
[20:40] Speaker 2: a disaster. I think you look at the Colts, do
[20:44] Speaker 2: you think if we were having a cocktail with chrisy Go.
[20:46] Speaker 2: I regret doing the Sauce thing, knowing what I know now.
[20:48] Speaker 2: Right we missed the playoffs, Daniel got hurt. It blew
[20:51] Speaker 2: up in my face. At the time, I thought it
[20:53] Speaker 2: was the right move, But sitting here today, it wasn't
[20:56] Speaker 2: the right move. Well, it just was.
[20:58] Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not a huge and I've said this before.
[21:02] Speaker 1: I think cornerback is an ego position. So I would
[21:05] Speaker 1: prefer to draft him third round. Down you get a
[21:08] Speaker 1: more humble athlete, because I think if you get drafted high,
[21:10] Speaker 1: first round, middle first round, you know, Patrick Sertans obviously great,
[21:14] Speaker 1: But I do think it's an ego position. I think
[21:16] Speaker 1: you need so much confidence to play corner because you're
[21:20] Speaker 1: I mean, if you go, you get burned constantly and
[21:23] Speaker 1: you have to have a short memory and it cannot
[21:25] Speaker 1: affect you. So what makes the great corners like Deon
[21:29] Speaker 1: Sanders is a remarkable ego and self confidence. Unless it's
[21:34] Speaker 1: a no brainer, and Sauce was arguably the best athlete
[21:38] Speaker 1: in his class. I remember watching him play Notre Dame
[21:40] Speaker 1: in college. I said it on the air, I'm like,
[21:43] Speaker 1: that's the best college football player. I saw all year
[21:45] Speaker 1: was Sauce Gardner when he played Notre Dame, and they's
[21:47] Speaker 1: just like, we're not interested in even going to his
[21:49] Speaker 1: side of the field. But I always think it's a quarterback,
[21:54] Speaker 1: left tackle, defensive tackle or ed rush and these days
[21:58] Speaker 1: weapon I also think centers are undervalued. Ben Johnson goes
[22:02] Speaker 1: out and gets Drew Dolman, Tyler Linderbaum's gonna have a
[22:05] Speaker 1: huge market. So I don't know, like I respected Chris
[22:09] Speaker 1: Pouder doing it. I don't love. I don't love giving
[22:13] Speaker 1: up a lot for corners.
[22:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, the corner you know, Jalen Ramsey is
[22:17] Speaker 2: one of the most talented players of the Internet era,
[22:20] Speaker 2: right and the Rams went all in with multiple first
[22:22] Speaker 2: round picks. To me, he's dramatically better than Sauce. I
[22:25] Speaker 2: had someone that was part of the Jets in previous years.
[22:30] Speaker 2: Say one issue Sauce had is they started officiating, you know,
[22:34] Speaker 2: the bump and run and physical corners a little more difficult,
[22:38] Speaker 2: where some of these guys like Patrick Chirtan can do both.
[22:41] Speaker 2: He can get up in you, but he could also
[22:43] Speaker 2: just run with you. Sauce is a four or five
[22:46] Speaker 2: five guy. He needs to bump you he's long, you know,
[22:50] Speaker 2: and it's like once they start throwing flags with him
[22:53] Speaker 2: being really physical, it becomes more difficult. Richard Sherman wanted
[22:57] Speaker 2: to get up in you at the line of scrimmage
[22:59] Speaker 2: and he's huge. He's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw
[23:01] Speaker 2: you around. Derek Stingley, who some consider one of the
[23:04] Speaker 2: best Corns in the league, is like a Dion level athlete.
[23:07] Speaker 2: He's like, I don't even need to touch you. I
[23:08] Speaker 2: just follow you on your hip all over the place.
[23:11] Speaker 2: So to me, you know, McDuffie's got a little of that.
[23:13] Speaker 2: Now he'll tackle and the one thing. So it's like
[23:16] Speaker 2: and again it's it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback.
[23:19] Speaker 2: As things go wrong. My point is when you go
[23:21] Speaker 2: all in on these moves, there's a lot out of
[23:25] Speaker 2: your control, right. I mean, Chris Balldener never thought Daniel
[23:28] Speaker 2: Jones gonna tear as achilles. I mean, he looked like
[23:30] Speaker 2: he was gonna win the MVP of the league. So
[23:32] Speaker 2: you know, no different, like they're gonna need Lamar. The
[23:35] Speaker 2: pressure now on these guys like the Ravens can't just
[23:38] Speaker 2: go ten and seven. There's gonna be expectation on them
[23:41] Speaker 2: to be the number one seed. Same thing with the Bills,
[23:44] Speaker 2: and now these are organizations that are used to winning,
[23:47] Speaker 2: so it's not but both of them have new young
[23:49] Speaker 2: court coaches who I think are really high level guys,
[23:52] Speaker 2: both of them. But that's it's one thing like if
[23:54] Speaker 2: you give a Mike Tomlin, a John or Jim Harbaugh,
[23:58] Speaker 2: this is the first time the guy's ever sitting in
[23:59] Speaker 2: the sea and then it's like, hey, AFC Championship game minimum,
[24:02] Speaker 2: or it's gonna be viewed as a failure, that's right,
[24:05] Speaker 2: And so that's it's just these are intense environments. These
[24:08] Speaker 2: are intense jobs. They're great jobs. We talked about this
[24:10] Speaker 2: with the Packers years ago. It's not very often you
[24:13] Speaker 2: get the DeVante Adams all these some defensive guys. Aaron Rodgers.
[24:17] Speaker 2: I think the Bills and the Ravens are a different
[24:20] Speaker 2: animal because they've never won with these two quarterbacks in terms,
[24:24] Speaker 2: They've never even got to the Super Bowl.
[24:26] Speaker 1: And there are quarterbacks Josh and Lamar have taken a
[24:29] Speaker 1: few hits. They're they're odometers, you know, there's there's some
[24:34] Speaker 1: mileage on it. I mean, Lamar last year did not
[24:37] Speaker 1: look burst wise like.
[24:38] Speaker 2: The same close, not even close.
[24:40] Speaker 1: I mean I think I said at one time I
[24:42] Speaker 1: saw it on a Sunday night football broadcast. I mean,
[24:44] Speaker 1: he was like three miles an hour slower. He just
[24:48] Speaker 1: looked like he looked like an athletic guy, not like
[24:50] Speaker 1: the super freak that we had seen the first five
[24:53] Speaker 1: years in the league.
[24:53] Speaker 2: So yeah, Josh need surgery. Right after the surgery or
[24:57] Speaker 2: right after the season, he was inn he was on
[24:59] Speaker 2: a crutch his for a couple of weeks.
[25:01] Speaker 1: So I think that's a reality. Just it was interesting
[25:04] Speaker 1: the Trent McDuffie move, I mean spags multiple players for
[25:09] Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes is like, yikes. They all go
[25:13] Speaker 1: publicly to Twitter and the Rams and the Chiefs have
[25:17] Speaker 1: never been as high generally on corners. But I think
[25:20] Speaker 1: for the Rams the move is obvious John because it
[25:22] Speaker 1: is the one liability of a super Bowl team, and
[25:24] Speaker 1: the minute they signed him, they had the odds increased
[25:27] Speaker 1: their super Bowl favorite, so it made a ton of sense.
[25:30] Speaker 1: But I do wonder I said it on the air
[25:33] Speaker 1: and I kind of believe it. I do believe the
[25:36] Speaker 1: Chiefs are in a rebuild. It's not something you advertise,
[25:41] Speaker 1: but if I said to you after Chris Jones had
[25:43] Speaker 1: a below average season, who's their second best player after Mahomes,
[25:48] Speaker 1: I mean carloftis I'm not sure.
[25:51] Speaker 2: If it would probably be the garter, the center, you know,
[25:54] Speaker 2: and that's who is it. That's not ideal. It's probably
[25:57] Speaker 2: you know, Tray Smith who did not have a good year,
[25:59] Speaker 2: Creed Humphrey. You know, in theory if he probably crazed.
[26:04] Speaker 2: What he could become is the left tackle from Ohio State,
[26:07] Speaker 2: Josh Shimmons. But I mean in the middle of the
[26:08] Speaker 2: season he just disappears. So I mean it's yeah. I mean,
[26:11] Speaker 2: this is a massive draft form. They have the ninth
[26:14] Speaker 2: overall pick and that means the ninth overall pick in
[26:16] Speaker 2: every round, so they could really change the fortunes of
[26:19] Speaker 2: their franchise. I think it's going to be interesting. You know,
[26:24] Speaker 2: historically in football and coach Reed's been a part a
[26:27] Speaker 2: lot of these, you kind of just draw a line
[26:29] Speaker 2: in the sand and be like, listen, we love you.
[26:31] Speaker 2: You're an extremely important player in the history of this organization.
[26:34] Speaker 2: But we're just moving on. John Schneider and how he
[26:38] Speaker 2: have done this countless times, and he's done this manytime.
[26:40] Speaker 2: Travis Kelce like Travis. Listen, we'd have you back, but
[26:43] Speaker 2: for like four million dollars, right, you know, so if
[26:46] Speaker 2: someone else wants to give you twelve or whatever, we
[26:48] Speaker 2: love you. We will build a statue. But like it's
[26:51] Speaker 2: over man. Yeah, And that's what's going to be interesting
[26:55] Speaker 2: these next couple of days. Like, if they're doing that,
[26:57] Speaker 2: then I'd be like, Okay, the Chiefs, they're truly kind
[27:00] Speaker 2: of pivoting into this new era. Belichick did it. They
[27:03] Speaker 2: got they kept Brady, they're keeping ma homes and then
[27:06] Speaker 2: you move into mccordy, Edelman, Gronk right, the high Tower,
[27:10] Speaker 2: and that propelled them. If the Chiefs have an excellent offseason, draft,
[27:14] Speaker 2: a couple of little guys here in free agency, in
[27:16] Speaker 2: a couple of years, they can be back to being
[27:18] Speaker 2: a thirteen or fourteen win team. So it's gonna be
[27:20] Speaker 2: really difficult in this division this year. I think the
[27:22] Speaker 2: Chargers Khalil's back, now, they're gonna be I mean, they
[27:25] Speaker 2: got a chance to compete for the number one seed
[27:26] Speaker 2: for sure. In the Broncos. I mean their talent on
[27:29] Speaker 2: their teams speaks for itself. I mean they were all
[27:31] Speaker 2: over the place offensively this year. And we're the number
[27:33] Speaker 2: one seed. So it's like, I'd be a little shocking,
[27:36] Speaker 2: right if they didn't win eleven twelve games again next year.
[27:39] Speaker 2: So I think the Chiefs you got to look probably
[27:41] Speaker 2: more twenty twenty seven. They also made a decision like
[27:44] Speaker 2: from what I've heard, McDuffie is everything you'd off the field.
[27:48] Speaker 2: He's an A plus on the field, excellent nickel corner,
[27:52] Speaker 2: good outside corner. It's like, well, we can't give, Like
[27:55] Speaker 2: they're in a position now where these numbers are getting huge,
[27:58] Speaker 2: like are we gonna give thirty million dollars? The Rams
[28:00] Speaker 2: really need something? Yeah, it's not that they don't, like
[28:05] Speaker 2: you know, when they got rid of Hill, They're like, yeah,
[28:08] Speaker 2: we don't really trust everything that's going on here. This
[28:11] Speaker 2: was simply a financial like we're not comfortable where the
[28:13] Speaker 2: market is right now, and you're not. At the end
[28:17] Speaker 2: of the day, He's not like Revus or something outside
[28:19] Speaker 2: he's an excellent nickel, good tackler, and he was valuable
[28:22] Speaker 2: to the Rams, clearly. But the Rams were also house
[28:24] Speaker 2: money a little bit, like do they make this trade
[28:27] Speaker 2: if they didn't do the Falcons trade last year and
[28:30] Speaker 2: I have picked thirteen, Like if they only have one
[28:32] Speaker 2: first round pick. I do wonder if they just trade
[28:34] Speaker 2: twenty nine for McDuffie. This trade was easy for them.
[28:37] Speaker 2: They have the thirteenth overall pick, so it's like, yeah,
[28:39] Speaker 2: let's take twenty nine. You know we don't. We rarely
[28:43] Speaker 2: have that pick anyway when we do have that pick,
[28:46] Speaker 2: So I think it was kind of a unique circumstance.
[28:48] Speaker 2: This is where the spy tech. No one came close
[28:52] Speaker 2: to offering a pick as high as fourteen for Max
[28:55] Speaker 2: Crosby and the Chiefs. I don't think anyone in the
[28:58] Speaker 2: first round. I bet most of the teams that wanted
[29:01] Speaker 2: McDuffie were the good teams, and their first pick they
[29:04] Speaker 2: were offering were the second round, which is going to
[29:06] Speaker 2: be in the fifties. So I think both teams got
[29:08] Speaker 2: to a point like, hey, we love these guys. We
[29:11] Speaker 2: could keep playing with these guys, but we also have
[29:14] Speaker 2: to think big picture, and they just got They just
[29:16] Speaker 2: got an amount of money or amount of draft capital they
[29:18] Speaker 2: couldn't refuse. Why both these trades happened so early, Yeah.
[29:22] Speaker 1: I mean I did this a couple of days ago. John,
[29:24] Speaker 1: we can do this right here, I said, you know,
[29:27] Speaker 1: the great quarterback's got a lot of help. If I
[29:29] Speaker 1: said to you my heard hierarchy my top ten next year,
[29:33] Speaker 1: I would put the Rams today number one. Fair I
[29:40] Speaker 1: will say this, I think Gabe Davis is a really
[29:43] Speaker 1: I think he or DJ Moore, I think DJ Moore
[29:46] Speaker 1: is a really big deal for Buffalo. I think it is.
[29:50] Speaker 1: So I'll pick up buff Two.
[29:52] Speaker 2: Years ago when the Bears were in shambles, he got
[29:54] Speaker 2: like ninety six balls. People act this year was weird
[29:56] Speaker 2: new offense. Him and kleb b had a bunch of
[29:58] Speaker 2: other weapons. People act like DJ Morrison. Guy that's gonna
[30:01] Speaker 2: be in the UFL in two years. Like guys he's
[30:03] Speaker 2: he might not be justin Jefferson the year, but he's
[30:05] Speaker 2: a he's a winning play he's a good player.
[30:07] Speaker 1: Oh he's a I mean, listen, I watched every Bear snap.
[30:10] Speaker 1: The reality is Colston Loveland became such a huge player
[30:16] Speaker 1: for Caleb not shocking. He goes with another young guy,
[30:20] Speaker 1: so like a lot of it's just Luther Burden exploded
[30:23] Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Colston loved it. And
[30:24] Speaker 1: they have a terrific run game. And oh, by the way,
[30:27] Speaker 1: it's Chicago, it gets cold. You don't throw the ball
[30:30] Speaker 1: down the field as much. So I would say Rams
[30:33] Speaker 1: won Buffalo two. I'd probably put Seattle three, and then
[30:41] Speaker 1: then it gets very interesting. I tend to think Detroit
[30:44] Speaker 1: getting Arizona's offensive coordinator because we both like Holmes the GM,
[30:49] Speaker 1: we like their we like their roster. I think Detroit
[30:52] Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, rebound. But then it gets really interesting. God,
[31:01] Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like an LA Homer and
[31:04] Speaker 1: a Chicago Homer, but I would probably do Chargers five,
[31:07] Speaker 1: Chicago Bears six. Am I crazy.
[31:10] Speaker 2: I'd have the Chargers really high. I think there are
[31:13] Speaker 2: a lot of wild card NFC teams. I would put Chicago,
[31:16] Speaker 2: I would put Philly. I would put the Niners. I
[31:20] Speaker 2: think these next two months are really big for them.
[31:22] Speaker 2: You know, they have some holes, they got some moving parts,
[31:24] Speaker 2: you know, I mean the Niners. You know, curveball is
[31:28] Speaker 2: always Kyle. I mean we saw him this year play
[31:30] Speaker 2: Philly in that playoff game. So it's like, if they're
[31:33] Speaker 2: just semi healthy, they're going to be competitive. The Eagles
[31:35] Speaker 2: are just gonna have so many good players every year
[31:38] Speaker 2: because of their GM. So, but they're running the Shanahan
[31:42] Speaker 2: system with Jalen Hurts, with this young quarterback from Oregon State.
[31:45] Speaker 2: You and I've been watching since the PAC twelve and
[31:48] Speaker 2: Sean Manion like, that's good luck to the guy, but
[31:51] Speaker 2: go get ready for the pressure cooker, young fellow, because
[31:53] Speaker 2: that is what a way to start your career. I
[31:55] Speaker 2: think the Giants are gonna be much improved. The Cowboys
[31:57] Speaker 2: have a bunch of amo. If their defense is just decent,
[31:59] Speaker 2: the offense is really good. I think the NFC is
[32:02] Speaker 2: really to me, the AFC, it's pretty clear, like Buffalo
[32:06] Speaker 2: is clearly top notch. If Lamar is solid, the Ravens
[32:09] Speaker 2: are gonna be really good. The Chargers are gonna be awesome.
[32:11] Speaker 2: Denver's gonna be good. I think the NFC goes like
[32:13] Speaker 2: nine or ten deep, because if you tell me again
[32:17] Speaker 2: back to the Jerry trade with Micah Parsons, they are
[32:20] Speaker 2: Micah Parsons injury away from that pick being like, the
[32:23] Speaker 2: Packers look like they were gonna win twelve or thirteen games.
[32:26] Speaker 2: They were killing the Bears in that playoff game until
[32:28] Speaker 2: it unraveled in the second half. I mean, I think
[32:31] Speaker 2: the Packers are pretty good, you know. I think I
[32:33] Speaker 2: think Micah Polson's healthy. This is such a well run organization.
[32:38] Speaker 1: This is my point though, I look at the look.
[32:40] Speaker 1: I just wrote down my ten favorite teams next year
[32:42] Speaker 1: right now and after free agency Rams, Buffalo, Seattle, Chargers, Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Philly,
[32:51] Speaker 1: Green Bay, Houston. I don't have the Niners. I mean,
[32:54] Speaker 1: I honestly, which is absurd considering I thought Saula and
[32:58] Speaker 1: Shanahan were probably the coaching tandema the year.
[33:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, there are so I mean, I think.
[33:03] Speaker 1: Houston going out and getting a running back. It's like,
[33:07] Speaker 1: I mean, because their defense is good, but.
[33:08] Speaker 2: They are good when they win twelve games. They started
[33:11] Speaker 2: zero to three, so it's I mean, it is, you know,
[33:14] Speaker 2: a sleeper team. I think it was coming on at
[33:16] Speaker 2: the end. Who if they have a high pick in
[33:18] Speaker 2: every round. Is the Saints by the end of the
[33:21] Speaker 2: year that Tyler Shuck looked pretty good and they got
[33:24] Speaker 2: some weapons and divisions a little bit easier. You know,
[33:26] Speaker 2: I think Tampa's got a ton of free agents. We
[33:28] Speaker 2: have to see, like what is really Baker. We've seen
[33:31] Speaker 2: the good and the bad in Tampa. Yeah, you know,
[33:33] Speaker 2: Atlanta's got a ton of moving parts. Carolina, I just
[33:36] Speaker 2: can't buy into the little quarterback. So I could see
[33:39] Speaker 2: the Saints being my team this year that wins like
[33:41] Speaker 2: ten games the division right there. Their schedule is pretty
[33:44] Speaker 2: easy because they finished in the last place. So I
[33:47] Speaker 2: think the NFC, which it was last year, top to bottom.
[33:49] Speaker 2: Even Minnesota they got quarterback issues. They're such a well
[33:52] Speaker 2: coached team. We act like Minnesota in a little bit
[33:56] Speaker 2: like Detroit too had these horrendous seasons because they did
[33:59] Speaker 2: relative to the previous They both went nine to eight.
[34:01] Speaker 2: It's not like they won four games, you know, right,
[34:04] Speaker 2: ask John Morrow what he do for a nine and
[34:06] Speaker 2: eight season, just to have everyone take a deep breath.
[34:08] Speaker 1: So it's I have I've been very encouraged. Free agency
[34:11] Speaker 1: officially starts Wednesday, but I haven't think but the McDuffie move,
[34:14] Speaker 1: the Max Crosby move, the DJ Moore move, Tyler lindebaum is.
[34:19] Speaker 1: I think if you're paying Lamar and Max, it's gonna
[34:22] Speaker 1: be hard, and Kyle Hamilton, it's gonna be very hard
[34:24] Speaker 1: to pay your center what the market's gonna offer. I
[34:28] Speaker 1: think that's the next big shoot to drop the Giants
[34:30] Speaker 1: or the Raiders get Tyler Lindabaum. Is there anything else
[34:33] Speaker 1: out there, a bomb dropping that you would you think
[34:37] Speaker 1: could happen.
[34:38] Speaker 2: I do think once Dj Moore goes for pick sixty,
[34:43] Speaker 2: you know Howie goes, Well, if I'm gonna trade AJ Brown,
[34:46] Speaker 2: I gotta get at least a top forty pick, right,
[34:48] Speaker 2: So it it gets pretty complicated. Most of the teams drafting,
[34:52] Speaker 2: you know, from like thirty two to thirty nine forty
[34:55] Speaker 2: aren't good. AJ doesn't make that much sense to them.
[34:58] Speaker 2: And then you get into the high twenties, like who's trading?
[35:01] Speaker 2: You know, would Kansas City trade pick twenty nine for
[35:03] Speaker 2: a G. Brown? I know, financially, some of these things
[35:06] Speaker 2: become a little complicated. But the other thing is Alec Pierce.
[35:10] Speaker 2: I mean, when Daniel was healthy, he was really good.
[35:13] Speaker 2: And I saw Albert Breer make this point somewhere that
[35:16] Speaker 2: Mike Rabel's best friend is is the Wisconsin head coach Fickle,
[35:22] Speaker 2: and Fickle was the coach of Cincinnati when he was there.
[35:24] Speaker 2: I mean, this is a six to three guy that
[35:25] Speaker 2: can run and go deep. Well, what does Drake may
[35:27] Speaker 2: do well go deep? What do they just do? Get
[35:29] Speaker 2: rid of step On Diggs? So they're wider now they
[35:32] Speaker 2: do have Kyle Williams, the Washington State guy who's also
[35:34] Speaker 2: a vertical threat. I would be stunned if the Patriots
[35:38] Speaker 2: aren't highly you know, interested in Alec Pierce. But there's
[35:42] Speaker 2: also you know, most of these guys, Max Crosby, we
[35:45] Speaker 2: would talk about getting traded right McDuffie that there was
[35:49] Speaker 2: clear some rumblings like they probably weren't going to resign him,
[35:51] Speaker 2: that they would trade him DJ Moore, it was clear
[35:53] Speaker 2: that they were going to pick one of their offensive
[35:55] Speaker 2: guys there has I mean, these gms are really aggressive.
[35:59] Speaker 2: This has turned much more into baseball. And there are Howie.
[36:02] Speaker 2: When I was around Howie, he was an outlier. He
[36:04] Speaker 2: was ready to do deals. No one would do deals.
[36:06] Speaker 2: Now it feels like there's twenty five guys willing to
[36:09] Speaker 2: make moves at any moment, big money moves. These owners
[36:12] Speaker 2: have way more money, so they'll trade salaries. They don't
[36:14] Speaker 2: care about previous signing bonuses. I would get ready for
[36:18] Speaker 2: just there're gonna be a couple of wild cards these
[36:20] Speaker 2: next g There have been some rumors about Jalen Carter,
[36:23] Speaker 2: the Eagles guy, because he's gonna want forty forty five
[36:25] Speaker 2: million dollars a year. So it's like, are you comfortable
[36:28] Speaker 2: investing in the human being because the players excellent, but
[36:31] Speaker 2: the human it's a risky.
[36:32] Speaker 1: Well and the other thing. This is one of the
[36:34] Speaker 1: criticisms I've had with the NBA, and I don't think
[36:38] Speaker 1: Adam Silver. Adam Silver is so concerned about tanking and
[36:44] Speaker 1: dynasties that the NBA now has been replaced by the
[36:48] Speaker 1: NFL and Baseball with trades. Baseball and NFL guys, our
[36:54] Speaker 1: gms are wild day traders.
[36:57] Speaker 2: The NBA.
[36:59] Speaker 1: You can't make these big sweeping deals anymore because of
[37:02] Speaker 1: the aprons, and so it's like, God, the NBA does
[37:06] Speaker 1: so many things. They're like people like dynasties were more
[37:09] Speaker 1: distracted because of our phone. It's like, NBA, you want
[37:13] Speaker 1: the Nicks and the Lakers to be good, You really
[37:15] Speaker 1: want them to be good. I'm watching what these gms
[37:18] Speaker 1: are doing in the NFL, and John this used to
[37:20] Speaker 1: be what the NBA did eight years ago, huge stars,
[37:25] Speaker 1: trading teams.
[37:27] Speaker 2: I know. It's it's really crazy what it's become.
[37:30] Speaker 1: Even within its own conference, like Max and now the
[37:33] Speaker 1: Raiders aren't a threat, but in your own conference you traded.
[37:37] Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think the influx of money. I mean,
[37:40] Speaker 2: I tweeted this out yesterday. I think one thing. Football
[37:44] Speaker 2: obviously has a lot going for it, and it's thriving
[37:47] Speaker 2: right now. It does feel the majority of their players
[37:50] Speaker 2: really really care and are really really invested. And like
[37:54] Speaker 2: you said, when these trades happen, all these guys react.
[37:57] Speaker 2: They're just very invested into the game. They're always You
[38:00] Speaker 2: watch these guys' Twitter accounts during college football Saturday. I mean,
[38:03] Speaker 2: they you can't really play football without being an all
[38:06] Speaker 2: in football guy. You can for a minute, but you
[38:09] Speaker 2: will get exposed. You can't have long careers. Most of
[38:11] Speaker 2: the top guys are kind of junkies, you know. I mean,
[38:15] Speaker 2: and I think you watch Max Crosby talking hearing these
[38:19] Speaker 2: stories about Trent McDuffie. I mean, these guys are just
[38:22] Speaker 2: all in. I think one thing the end that hurts
[38:24] Speaker 2: the NBA. It feels like half the people don't care.
[38:27] Speaker 2: And I'm not even just talking about the players and
[38:28] Speaker 2: the coaches, the gms they're actively trying. It's like, do
[38:31] Speaker 2: you guys care as much as the people watching your sport?
[38:34] Speaker 2: Because if you don't, if the entertainment doesn't care, the
[38:37] Speaker 2: consumer is not going to care. And the one thing
[38:38] Speaker 2: football has, you know, the stories are well document about
[38:42] Speaker 2: the coaches, how they're maniacal workers. It feels like the
[38:45] Speaker 2: players aren't that far behind. So it's like, God, they're
[38:47] Speaker 2: as invested as I am watching these games and following
[38:50] Speaker 2: this sport.
[38:51] Speaker 1: Here are two or three things that fans The ratings
[38:56] Speaker 1: and the clicks prove fans love big trade. NBA doesn't
[39:01] Speaker 1: have them, dynasties baseball, NFL regularly has them, and massive passion.
[39:10] Speaker 1: Well load management has been outrageous in the NBA for
[39:13] Speaker 1: like eight to ten years. Just think about the things
[39:16] Speaker 1: that and this isn't just a dump on the NBA,
[39:19] Speaker 1: but don't overthink the room on this shit. Dynasties, big trades,
[39:25] Speaker 1: guys that live that did cry after losses, that deeply care.
[39:30] Speaker 1: You're not getting that with James Harden like you're not
[39:32] Speaker 1: getting that with the NBA. So I thought that. I
[39:36] Speaker 1: thought the Max Crosby comments were very symbolic of why
[39:42] Speaker 1: we love football. I think you really touch on something.
[39:45] Speaker 1: I think Matt and I've been bringing Max on a
[39:48] Speaker 1: couple of times a year for years. I'd see him
[39:50] Speaker 1: at every UFC fight I went to. He would talk
[39:53] Speaker 1: to anybody any time. Stay with Christian McCaffrey, you come
[39:57] Speaker 1: up and talk to Christian mccaffreey, we'll talk your ear off.
[39:59] Speaker 1: And I think that's it's just a relatability that matters.
[40:03] Speaker 2: And think about this, and I'm going to talk about
[40:05] Speaker 2: this on my podcast. Is that McCaffrey, you know, comes
[40:08] Speaker 2: from I don't want to say NFL royalty, but Ed
[40:11] Speaker 2: was a really good NFL player, went to Stanford, like Christian,
[40:14] Speaker 2: it would max to me, represents the NFL and honestly
[40:18] Speaker 2: kind of society. Didn't go to a school that most
[40:20] Speaker 2: people have heard about. Was not draft. He wasn't even
[40:23] Speaker 2: the first defensive end his own team took in that draft.
[40:25] Speaker 2: They took Cleveland Ferrell in the top five. And when
[40:28] Speaker 2: the dust settles, he just keeps grinding. He had issues
[40:32] Speaker 2: off the field, fixed that, became a great husband, became
[40:36] Speaker 2: a focused guy, started lapping people, and as he got older,
[40:40] Speaker 2: started taking people out in the dust. Because that's the NFL.
[40:45] Speaker 2: Came from a school. It wasn't Alabama or USC. Then
[40:48] Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you look up, the guy's made
[40:49] Speaker 2: nine Pro Bowls and two hundred million dollars. Khalil Mack
[40:53] Speaker 2: just made a I googled it yesterday and like, how
[40:54] Speaker 2: much money is this guy made, but at the end
[40:57] Speaker 2: of next year he'll have made two hundred and twenty
[40:58] Speaker 2: million dollars played a Buffalo and he's stock. He's he
[41:02] Speaker 2: looks incredible last year if it wouldn't have been for
[41:05] Speaker 2: the elbow injury, probably it's ten sacks. So it's like
[41:08] Speaker 2: the NFL is full of guys that, yes, you're gonna
[41:10] Speaker 2: get you know, your Peyton Manning from the sec number
[41:13] Speaker 2: one pick, but you're also gonna get a guy that
[41:16] Speaker 2: was a one year starter that's drafts in the sixth
[41:19] Speaker 2: round become your greatest quarterback of all time. You know,
[41:21] Speaker 2: Joe Montana forever, he was a third round pick who's
[41:25] Speaker 2: six foot one. You know, It's like guys come in
[41:28] Speaker 2: all shapes and sizes, they come all different paths in football.
[41:32] Speaker 2: It's not like some guys have early good starts like
[41:35] Speaker 2: check in after four or five years. Because the NFL
[41:39] Speaker 2: year in year out to be a really good player,
[41:41] Speaker 2: especially in the trenches or a quarterback or a linebacker.
[41:44] Speaker 2: It is. And the other thing, I just think there's
[41:46] Speaker 2: a nature of the sport, whether it's high school, college
[41:49] Speaker 2: or the NFL. Even with nil you're still getting yelled
[41:51] Speaker 2: at at practice, there's a nature your your teammates are
[41:54] Speaker 2: yelling at you. There's a humility that just comes along
[41:58] Speaker 2: with being criticized by your peers and buy your bosses
[42:01] Speaker 2: every single day, which I just think happens less and
[42:04] Speaker 2: less all over. You could argue society, and I think
[42:07] Speaker 2: that helps these NFL guys. They just feel very relatable
[42:10] Speaker 2: when you see him in social settings with just normal
[42:13] Speaker 2: everyday people that they can interact I'd say most of
[42:16] Speaker 2: them pretty easily.
[42:17] Speaker 1: Well, that's why people are so down on Kyler Murray
[42:20] Speaker 1: is he's such an outlier where you're not sure he
[42:22] Speaker 1: loves the sport. That's so rare in football. That's very
[42:26] Speaker 1: common in the NBA, where guys at four o'clock call
[42:29] Speaker 1: up and say, I, you know, I got my ankle hurts.
[42:33] Speaker 1: You know I took a nap, my ankle hurts, and
[42:35] Speaker 1: they don't you know, and I don't. I'm not saying
[42:37] Speaker 1: they're lying, but it's just like you don't play through
[42:39] Speaker 1: certain things.
[42:40] Speaker 2: So to me, that's why to me Kyler like, I
[42:45] Speaker 2: wouldn't be in that business. And if you are in
[42:47] Speaker 2: the business, whoever does sign them, it shows that that
[42:50] Speaker 2: seems pretty desperate. You know pretty desperate.
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[43:52] Speaker 1: out because you live in Arizona. I actually I actually
[43:57] Speaker 1: said I would have called the Raiders with the number
[44:02] Speaker 1: three pick and offered like three number ones to get
[44:05] Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza because I think he's the opposite of Kyler Murray.
[44:08] Speaker 1: I think there's a stink around the franchise that it's
[44:11] Speaker 1: just you know, it's you know, like when Tim Tebow
[44:15] Speaker 1: was in Denver and he won a playoff game, he
[44:17] Speaker 1: was wildly popular. They didn't bring in an average quarterback
[44:20] Speaker 1: to replace him. They went Peyton Manning because they knew
[44:23] Speaker 1: that he had a religious connection with fans. He'd won
[44:25] Speaker 1: a playoff game, he was wildly popular merchandise, and I
[44:29] Speaker 1: feel like to replace Kyler, like ty Simpson's like, you know,
[44:35] Speaker 1: you're not going to have any issues coming from Kaylin
[44:37] Speaker 1: de Borr and Nick Saban. It's a big football program. Mendoza,
[44:42] Speaker 1: I mean Ty Simpson. I also think like I think
[44:45] Speaker 1: one of the more interesting players in the first round
[44:48] Speaker 1: is actually ty Simpson because I think he probably grades
[44:50] Speaker 1: out at about thirty five or forty. But if you're
[44:53] Speaker 1: Arizona and you have the third pick, and you're like, okay,
[44:56] Speaker 1: we can get malanoa the offensive lineman from Miami, or
[45:01] Speaker 1: we could trade down several times and at like fifteen
[45:05] Speaker 1: to eighteen draft high Simpson and get another third, fourth fifth.
[45:09] Speaker 1: What would you do if you're an Arizona or you
[45:10] Speaker 1: would you just take the offensive lineman from Miami.
[45:13] Speaker 2: We're on your trade proposal. I think Spytech would just
[45:17] Speaker 2: have to say no. Even if you go, well, the
[45:19] Speaker 2: Arizona could have the number one pick the following year.
[45:22] Speaker 2: It's almost like the bird in the hand. You know,
[45:24] Speaker 2: the Raiders have been they haven't won a playoff game
[45:26] Speaker 2: in twenty three years. They've only been twice. I think
[45:29] Speaker 2: him and Brady were at that in the Miami National
[45:33] Speaker 2: Championship game and saw him play well, so I think
[45:37] Speaker 2: that was I'm sure they got inquiries. Remember two years
[45:40] Speaker 2: ago everyone wanted Drake May and number three in Elliot
[45:43] Speaker 2: Wolf stayed pretty He's like, now, we're just not interested
[45:45] Speaker 2: in the Giants. Some of these reports of what they
[45:47] Speaker 2: were offered. These are one of those words, Yeah, we'll
[45:49] Speaker 2: call you back. We've got to have a meeting on this,
[45:51] Speaker 2: but you know you got to say no. I'm not
[45:53] Speaker 2: saying that. I'm sure I haven't had speed three. To me,
[45:56] Speaker 2: I'm never a guy like the ty Simpson types. I
[46:00] Speaker 2: would put Mac Jones in this world, you know, Canny
[46:03] Speaker 2: Pickett coming out of college. I can't take those type
[46:06] Speaker 2: guys in the first round. Like I'm not a I
[46:08] Speaker 2: take I have like I understand taking the swings even
[46:12] Speaker 2: when they blow up in your face. On Anthony Richardson
[46:15] Speaker 2: or what the forty nine ers did with Trey Lance,
[46:17] Speaker 2: Uh list Sometimes that looks the worst possible, right Anthony.
[46:21] Speaker 2: It couldn't have gone much worse. Trey Lance was a disaster.
[46:24] Speaker 2: But I get it. To me ty Simpson, I like,
[46:27] Speaker 2: there's a physical kind.
[46:29] Speaker 1: Of limitation, you know.
[46:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just you have to you have to check
[46:34] Speaker 2: some boxes for me to pull the trigger. One year
[46:37] Speaker 2: Starter he did have a good stretch and then he
[46:40] Speaker 2: got a little banged up. Well it's like, you don't
[46:41] Speaker 2: think a guy's gonna get banged up in the pros.
[46:43] Speaker 2: He's not the biggest guy all counts. He's a high
[46:46] Speaker 2: level guy. To me, historically, got those guys went like
[46:49] Speaker 2: after pick fifty. Yeah, and I know things have changed,
[46:53] Speaker 2: but like I'm old enough to remember when guys like
[46:55] Speaker 2: Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo went in the second round
[46:58] Speaker 2: so it's like, there's there's no way he is graded
[47:01] Speaker 2: as high as these offensive linemen and defensive lineman. So
[47:05] Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna be able to trade down.
[47:07] Speaker 2: That's this draft. I mean, some of the best play
[47:10] Speaker 2: you could argue the best two players after the quarterback,
[47:13] Speaker 2: and they might even be graded as better players. But
[47:15] Speaker 2: the quarterback's value so high would be the Notre Dame
[47:19] Speaker 2: running back Jeremiah Love and Caleb Downs. But like usually
[47:23] Speaker 2: people don't take safeties and running backs at like two
[47:26] Speaker 2: or three. I think there's a chance, Colin. I mean,
[47:28] Speaker 2: I claimed I was gonna watch the combine, then all
[47:31] Speaker 2: of a sudden, I found myself, especially the running backs,
[47:33] Speaker 2: certain positions are a little more intriguing. He gave this
[47:37] Speaker 2: interview after they asked him, hey, could you do some
[47:40] Speaker 2: some receiving drills because you know, a Notre Dame they
[47:43] Speaker 2: don't throw it. It's not like they're running the Shanahan
[47:45] Speaker 2: McVeigh offense. And it's like he could have easily after
[47:49] Speaker 2: he ran a four to three five, said the guys,
[47:50] Speaker 2: I undone, everyone would have understood. He did every running
[47:53] Speaker 2: back drill, and then they asked him, hey, could you
[47:55] Speaker 2: these guys want to see you catch it, no problem.
[47:57] Speaker 2: It's like, jeez, I think the Titan at four could
[48:00] Speaker 2: take Jeremiah Love. I wouldn't even overthink it. Get this
[48:03] Speaker 2: star running back. He's like a Bijon Robinson McCaffrey type.
[48:06] Speaker 2: Put him right with your young quarterback. You have his defensive,
[48:09] Speaker 2: tough head coach like I was a whoa well the
[48:12] Speaker 2: Caleb Downs thing. There have been some rumors about the knee.
[48:14] Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything, but like, both those two guys
[48:17] Speaker 2: are gonna be good NFL players.
[48:18] Speaker 1: The most you know rvel rees people think is a
[48:21] Speaker 1: free athletically, but my take is right now, he's projecting
[48:26] Speaker 1: at certain positions. David Bailey at Texas Tech is a
[48:29] Speaker 1: plug and play rush end. He's not a Bosa. He's
[48:32] Speaker 1: probably probably not Khalil Mack as a prospect. He's not
[48:35] Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchison, but he's good. He's a starter Day one
[48:38] Speaker 1: for anybody in the league. He's a really nice player.
[48:41] Speaker 1: Stanford of Texas Tech good player he already has. He
[48:45] Speaker 1: is a edge rusher. He's the best edge rusher in
[48:47] Speaker 1: the draft. Rvel Reese is an amazing athlete, but he needs
[48:50] Speaker 1: the right coach to make it work, Robert Sala at four.
[48:55] Speaker 1: I trust with Rvel Rees he could say he could
[48:58] Speaker 1: be a little Warner, a little Bosa. I don't trust
[49:01] Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn to find his way to work. I'm not
[49:04] Speaker 1: asking that guy to turn up a project into a
[49:07] Speaker 1: great player. So my take a fascinating pick at number
[49:10] Speaker 1: two is does Aaron Glenn have any smoke in the building,
[49:12] Speaker 1: because I'm telling you he's going get me that guy.
[49:16] Speaker 1: And it's like the ownership has got to be sitting
[49:19] Speaker 1: there thinking how much power are we going to give
[49:21] Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn. Like at the end of last year, John
[49:23] Speaker 1: it had a Freddy Kitchens feel like David Cully where
[49:28] Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this is not a head coach. So
[49:31] Speaker 1: I think the number two pick with the Jets is
[49:33] Speaker 1: fascinating because I would just go get the certain thing.
[49:35] Speaker 1: I would get a Caleb Downs, I'd get a David Bailey,
[49:39] Speaker 1: the offensive lineman who maybe a great guard. Better than
[49:43] Speaker 1: it is not a left tackle, He's a right tackler
[49:45] Speaker 1: or an interior lineman. Rvel Reese to the Jets feels
[49:49] Speaker 1: like trouble.
[49:51] Speaker 2: I think the Jets are your away from people starting
[49:53] Speaker 2: doing some Eli manning to the Chargers and four some
[49:55] Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks going on, I'm not going there. If
[49:59] Speaker 2: Sam has another good year, you go, no chance. We
[50:03] Speaker 2: haven't seen that in a while. But they got that
[50:05] Speaker 2: written all over them. Because the one thing this is
[50:07] Speaker 2: where Mark Davis deserves credit branding with Brady letting him
[50:11] Speaker 2: get in with these two billionaires. Even they have the
[50:14] Speaker 2: number one pick, but they Spike Tech's a high level guy,
[50:17] Speaker 2: but they don't feel like a number one pick organization
[50:19] Speaker 2: because you know Tom that that name like he brings
[50:22] Speaker 2: them credibility. The Jets to me feel like as bad
[50:25] Speaker 2: as it gets. You know, they got a coach who
[50:28] Speaker 2: said he said at the combine calling plays was a superpower.
[50:31] Speaker 2: It's like, well, then, why didn't you do that last year?
[50:33] Speaker 2: You hired a defensive coordinator that you didn't even know
[50:35] Speaker 2: that you fired in the middle of the year. I
[50:38] Speaker 2: think the Jets they franchise tagged Brishall is a good player,
[50:44] Speaker 2: franchise tagging Breese Hall. I have a theory too on
[50:46] Speaker 2: franchise tags, like in this day and age, with the
[50:49] Speaker 2: size of the cap. If you get to the spot
[50:51] Speaker 2: where you have to franchise tag a player, I'll give
[50:54] Speaker 2: the Falcons a little bit of a pass because their
[50:57] Speaker 2: new administration. But if you've been there with the guy,
[51:01] Speaker 2: you know, Jerry, like you know in October November, like
[51:04] Speaker 2: are you gonna get this guy extension? Just get it done?
[51:05] Speaker 2: You should not be in franchise tag situations are something
[51:10] Speaker 2: you should try to avoid at all costs because you
[51:12] Speaker 2: either know you want to extend this guy a big
[51:14] Speaker 2: picture or it's like let's move on from him. But
[51:16] Speaker 2: to extend a running back who Again, I'm not anti
[51:20] Speaker 2: Brese Hall was like you're the Jets, Like what are
[51:22] Speaker 2: we doing? That one, to me kind of symbolizes like
[51:27] Speaker 2: this organization is. You know, sometimes a narrative takes on
[51:31] Speaker 2: a life its own. I think the Jets have well
[51:34] Speaker 2: this stuff is truly self inflicted and brought upon, like
[51:37] Speaker 2: you know, they deserve what everyone's saying about him.
[51:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Breece Hall. There's data out there not
[51:43] Speaker 1: to sign a running back to a second contract. So
[51:45] Speaker 1: I think Breece Hall is a good player. I don't
[51:46] Speaker 1: think he had a huge market. I just don't think
[51:49] Speaker 1: he did. So my take was sit him down and
[51:51] Speaker 1: be like we like you, We'll give you a reasonable contract.
[51:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look at John Schneider. He drafts Kenneth
[52:00] Speaker 2: high in the second round. Think it was like pick
[52:02] Speaker 2: forty or forty one. The guy has an incredible second
[52:05] Speaker 2: half of the season, leads him. I mean, he's a
[52:07] Speaker 2: huge reason they beat the Rams. Absolutely, he was unobviously
[52:12] Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl MVP, but he was dominant in
[52:14] Speaker 2: that game. But yeah, we're not franchise ttaging. You see
[52:16] Speaker 2: a God speed good luck to you. That's kind of
[52:19] Speaker 2: the NFL. I mean, that's that's what you do. So
[52:21] Speaker 2: it's like, hey, Brice, we appreciate everything you've done. Your
[52:23] Speaker 2: former second round pick here a good talented player, probably
[52:26] Speaker 2: have success somewhere else, but we're not giving you. I
[52:28] Speaker 2: don't even know what the franchise tag is for running
[52:30] Speaker 2: back twelve thirteen million. It's like, what are you doing?
[52:33] Speaker 2: You're not a running back team? Like you have so
[52:35] Speaker 2: many other needs, so many other issues. It made that
[52:38] Speaker 2: that to me was a pretty big head scratcher. Where
[52:40] Speaker 2: are the Falcons? I can understand. It's like, well, it's
[52:42] Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, who's never really worked for people till last year.
[52:46] Speaker 2: If I'm Stefanski, He's like, let's see if he works
[52:48] Speaker 2: for me? Like I did understand that move, Like instead
[52:51] Speaker 2: of giving him like fifty sixty million dollars guarantee because
[52:54] Speaker 2: he would have got a lot of money on the
[52:56] Speaker 2: open market, Let's just play this out for a year.
[52:58] Speaker 2: If it's not going well, maybe we could trade. I'm
[53:00] Speaker 2: at the middle of the year, and if it does,
[53:02] Speaker 2: we'll extend him in the middle of the season.
[53:05] Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. Yeah. Free agency begins in
[53:10] Speaker 1: earnest on Wednesday. A good forty five minutes to.
[53:13] Speaker 2: Chat today, Budd, fun time of year the volume.
[53:19] Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,
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