# Prime Cuts - Dr. J Talks Talks A.B.A., Done With The Draft Combine, Bears Aren’t Moving To Indiana, LeBron’s Importance To NBA

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 7 Mar 2026, 40 min.

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Colin’s top takes of the week. First, he’s joined by NBA legend Julius Irving to discuss his new documentary Soul Power: The Legend of the American Basketball Association (2:30). Then, he’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Things First” on FS1. They discuss the absurd posturing over the Chicago Bears and the potential threat to move their new stadium across state lines to Hammond, Indiana (25:00). They also break down why LeBron means far more to the NBA than he does to the Lakers (34:15), and Colin explains why he’s OUT on the NFL Draft Combine as a TV product (39:30). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[1:01] Speaker 2: Well, like the rest of you, I love a good
[1:04] Speaker 2: sports documentary, and when I heard there was a doc
[1:09] Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime about the ABA, for many reasons, I
[1:13] Speaker 2: was fascinated. It's called soul Power, the Legends of the ABA.
[1:17] Speaker 2: So I've said many times on my show The Herd
[1:21] Speaker 2: ten times, fifteen times. The first basketball player I fell
[1:24] Speaker 2: in love with was Julius Irving. But I was born
[1:27] Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty four, as Julius now joins us, and
[1:31] Speaker 2: I didn't watch sports until nineteen seventy two. I remember
[1:35] Speaker 2: it clearly. On a black and white TV, Julius, I
[1:38] Speaker 2: watched the Miami Dolphins at the time Washington Redskins Super Bowl.
[1:43] Speaker 2: Dolphins won fourteen to seven. It was about that time.
[1:47] Speaker 2: You know, I'm six years old, seven years old, I'm
[1:50] Speaker 2: getting into sports. So my mom bought me a subscription
[1:54] Speaker 2: to Sports Illustrated so I could watch baseball as the
[1:57] Speaker 2: national pastime on TV. College football. College basketball was big,
[2:02] Speaker 2: But like anything else in life, the one thing I
[2:05] Speaker 2: couldn't get was the ABA. So I had to rely
[2:11] Speaker 2: on the Sporting News, which actually did ABA guides, and
[2:15] Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated twice put you on the cover. I remember this.
[2:20] Speaker 2: So I'm in my formative years and I'm like, Who's
[2:25] Speaker 2: doctor J. Nobody's called doctor J. So because I didn't
[2:30] Speaker 2: get you didn't have a TV contract, because I didn't
[2:32] Speaker 2: get ABA games.
[2:34] Speaker 3: As a Seattle kid, my.
[2:36] Speaker 2: Parents bought me an ABA ball, So it's fascinating to me.
[2:43] Speaker 2: So let's go back. And I've always felt that the
[2:47] Speaker 2: NBA should include ABA numbers and stats. And the reason
[2:53] Speaker 2: I do is something I think you'll believe in that
[2:55] Speaker 2: I didn't know this about the ABA, Julius. I knew
[2:59] Speaker 2: about the Nuggets and the Spurs. I knew about you,
[3:02] Speaker 2: I knew about how many good players there were. I
[3:05] Speaker 2: did not know much about the exhibition games with the NBA,
[3:11] Speaker 2: in which the ABA teams clabbered them regularly. So let
[3:18] Speaker 2: so let's let's talk. Let's let's start with that. The
[3:22] Speaker 2: NBA in the seventies was considered a little white and overcoached,
[3:28] Speaker 2: and the ABA was more stylistic. It was more fun,
[3:32] Speaker 2: it was more fashionable, it was a little rowdy when
[3:36] Speaker 2: you matched up against those NBA teams.
[3:39] Speaker 3: Was there a chip on you on your.
[3:41] Speaker 2: League's shoulder, facing like the adult the parent league that
[3:46] Speaker 2: you knew in many instances you were superior to.
[3:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, I played in two of those games.
[3:54] Speaker 4: And ABA versus NBA, and the excitement surrounding it was
[4:00] Speaker 4: unbelievable because it was just the exhibition season and you know,
[4:04] Speaker 4: we had training camp, play exhibition games, and then play
[4:07] Speaker 4: the regular season, so everyone always look forward to the
[4:10] Speaker 4: regular season in the playoffs, and that was the big
[4:13] Speaker 4: deal with these exhibition games against the NBA. You know,
[4:17] Speaker 4: became a big deal more so for the ABA than
[4:20] Speaker 4: the NBA because the ABA was the league that was
[4:23] Speaker 4: trying to establish itself, also trying to prove it itself
[4:27] Speaker 4: worthy and you know, wanted to have some bragging rights.
[4:31] Speaker 4: So you beat an NBA team, Uh, they're going to
[4:34] Speaker 4: make excuses. They're going to say, well, our guys aren't
[4:37] Speaker 4: in shape and it's only it's only a practice game
[4:41] Speaker 4: or whatever. But you know, the ABA guys who were
[4:43] Speaker 4: probably younger and more excitable, kind of like the young
[4:47] Speaker 4: NBA players are now, you know, looking forward to having
[4:51] Speaker 4: the chip on their shoulder and all of that good stuff.
[4:54] Speaker 4: So so so winning those games, especially if you're playing
[4:57] Speaker 4: on your on your home court, because the city that
[5:00] Speaker 4: you're in, you know, would always stick a chest out
[5:03] Speaker 4: a little bit and say, hey, yeah, you know, you know,
[5:05] Speaker 4: we knock those guys off, and you know, the league's
[5:07] Speaker 4: been around longer, and you know, those names are known.
[5:10] Speaker 4: People know Oscar Robinson's name, Clyde Frasier, Wilt Chamberlain, you
[5:15] Speaker 4: know west Unsel, They know those guys' names, and you
[5:19] Speaker 4: know we took them down.
[5:20] Speaker 1: Those are the same guys.
[5:21] Speaker 4: You know what, guys, if they cut, they bleed just
[5:24] Speaker 4: like we do. The elbow they've been over, they act
[5:28] Speaker 4: like they're hurt just like we do or whatever. So
[5:31] Speaker 4: you know, we're all human beings. And because you wear
[5:35] Speaker 4: a title and you're you're you wear a moniker or whatever,
[5:40] Speaker 4: that's not gonna make you different.
[5:41] Speaker 1: That's gonna necessarily make you greater. Uh So, so it
[5:45] Speaker 1: was a.
[5:46] Speaker 4: Good confidence boosted for us, and you know a lot
[5:49] Speaker 4: of people who went to those games alive became believers.
[5:54] Speaker 1: And also you know that served to feed the cause.
[5:59] Speaker 4: And the cause was, you know, we had seen the
[6:02] Speaker 4: AFL and the NFL, you know, Merchant some one league,
[6:06] Speaker 4: so we had witnessed that, and globally the same type
[6:10] Speaker 4: of thing was happening. It was happening in soccer, and
[6:12] Speaker 4: it was happening in other sports that have played universally
[6:17] Speaker 4: not necessarily in the United States, so that became a
[6:21] Speaker 4: mission for the ownership the players. You know, my opinion was,
[6:28] Speaker 4: I came out of school after my junior year. I
[6:33] Speaker 4: had played two varsity seasons and our team had been
[6:37] Speaker 4: invited to the n I t Even though our record
[6:40] Speaker 4: was good enough to be invited to the NCAA tournament,
[6:44] Speaker 4: we weren't and it felt like we were snubbed.
[6:48] Speaker 1: And after that, after.
[6:50] Speaker 4: My junior year, I got approached by an agent, and
[6:54] Speaker 4: the numbers that they started talking about, you know, were
[6:58] Speaker 4: comparable to the best player in the NBA, and they
[7:02] Speaker 4: were said, this is going to go away.
[7:04] Speaker 1: I mean, if the lead folds, it's going to go away.
[7:07] Speaker 4: And if the NBA continues to you know, maybe put
[7:11] Speaker 4: you out of business or you know, maintains a superiority.
[7:15] Speaker 1: Complex, then those numbers are going to go away.
[7:19] Speaker 4: And you know, one hundred thousand is going to turn
[7:21] Speaker 4: into twenty five, thirty thousand or whatever.
[7:24] Speaker 1: So you know, I took the deal. I took the deal.
[7:29] Speaker 4: It cost me a lot because I was I had
[7:32] Speaker 4: to forego being an Olympian and I had played in
[7:37] Speaker 4: the Olympic Development program and you know, at my size
[7:42] Speaker 4: and with my game, I was the leading scorer and
[7:44] Speaker 4: rebounder in the Olympic development program. We went over to Russia,
[7:49] Speaker 4: Poland and Finland and played, and you know, I was
[7:53] Speaker 4: a shoe to make the team. But that that era
[7:57] Speaker 4: of the representing your country and playing for the United
[8:00] Speaker 4: States of America in nineteen seventy seventy one seventy two
[8:06] Speaker 4: was not the most popular thing to do.
[8:08] Speaker 1: It's not like we were just dying to do it.
[8:10] Speaker 1: So I chose. I chose the pro pro route.
[8:14] Speaker 4: And at that time, you know, this is twenty years
[8:16] Speaker 4: before pros were allowed to play in the Olympics, so
[8:18] Speaker 4: you had to be an amateur to play.
[8:22] Speaker 1: And you know, sorry about you know, getting off.
[8:24] Speaker 4: The subject, but I'm just kind of this fill space
[8:28] Speaker 4: is very very important in terms of the ABA story,
[8:31] Speaker 4: in the ABA Hockey series, because there's so much to
[8:35] Speaker 4: it beyond just basketball.
[8:39] Speaker 1: You know, there's the culture you know that we have.
[8:42] Speaker 4: There's the racial tension you know that was evident, and
[8:48] Speaker 4: and then there's you know, just the global situation where
[8:54] Speaker 4: you know, we're still learning things and there are a
[8:58] Speaker 4: lot of things that have gone on for hundreds of
[9:01] Speaker 4: years that haven't been fixed yet. So who's going to
[9:04] Speaker 4: fix this? Who's going to fix this? So basketball couldn't
[9:07] Speaker 4: be the most important thing for me in my life,
[9:11] Speaker 4: but it was.
[9:12] Speaker 1: It was. It was the path that I needed to take. Yeah.
[9:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, what's interesting because I grew up in the seventies.
[9:24] Speaker 2: You know, the NBA was not a rich league in
[9:27] Speaker 2: the seventies. In fact, I can remember the NBA Finals
[9:31] Speaker 2: being on tape delay after the eleven o'clock news and
[9:35] Speaker 2: young fans now that can watch every game every night,
[9:38] Speaker 2: So I remember NBA teams at that time. Julius traveled
[9:43] Speaker 2: on commercial first flight out of town, out of sea, traveled,
[9:47] Speaker 2: so what right, that's right? So what was travel like? Hotels?
[9:53] Speaker 2: Travel in the ABA, which was financially in a tougher
[9:58] Speaker 2: spot than even the NBA in the early seventh.
[10:00] Speaker 4: Yeah, so so you know, we didn't have the uh,
[10:04] Speaker 4: top notch hotels. We had what was available to us.
[10:09] Speaker 4: We had roommates. You know, everybody had to pick a roommate,
[10:12] Speaker 4: so those single rooms. I didn't experience a single room
[10:16] Speaker 4: until I got in the NBA and I was in
[10:17] Speaker 4: Philadelphia and I didn't want a single room. Actually, Steve
[10:21] Speaker 4: Mixed was my roommate for five seasons. And that was
[10:24] Speaker 4: my boy and I learned a lot from him, and
[10:27] Speaker 4: he learned a lot from me. So yeah, the accommodation piece,
[10:35] Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, if you if your college team,
[10:37] Speaker 4: you know, was in the Big Ten or maybe you
[10:40] Speaker 4: know out there in the at Pac twelve or whatever,
[10:43] Speaker 4: you know, maybe the travel was a little better, maybe
[10:45] Speaker 4: the hotel accommodations were a little better, you know. But
[10:49] Speaker 4: you know, I played in with the Minute Men, uh
[10:52] Speaker 4: formally the UMass red Men, and we were in the
[10:55] Speaker 4: Yankee Conference, right, So our travel, our travel with was
[10:59] Speaker 4: a lot bout bus. I mean, we bussed over to Buffalo,
[11:02] Speaker 4: and we bussed down to Penn Pennsylvania to play Penn
[11:05] Speaker 4: and then all throughout New England we played Vermont, Maine,
[11:09] Speaker 4: New Hampshire, you know, all of those schools.
[11:12] Speaker 1: And you were built for it and we took buses.
[11:15] Speaker 4: So the move to the ABA was actually a step
[11:18] Speaker 4: up in terms of traveling and in terms of hotel accommodation.
[11:23] Speaker 2: So I'm from Seattle. So another player who was groundbreaking
[11:27] Speaker 2: was Spencer Haywood, So I yeah, so you know, I
[11:31] Speaker 2: grew up not only with the downtown Freddie Brown, DJ
[11:34] Speaker 2: Gus Williams, Jack Sikmasonics. I grew up with Spencer Haywood,
[11:38] Speaker 2: John Brisker, the young teams. And I tell people this
[11:42] Speaker 2: because for young fans the ABA. This is why I
[11:45] Speaker 2: supported the live tour to the PGA. My takeaway is, folks,
[11:49] Speaker 2: watch what Lyft and Uber did the taxis you need
[11:53] Speaker 2: disruptors in society, and the ABA was really the one
[11:57] Speaker 2: of the first disruptors in sports in this country. And
[12:01] Speaker 2: when I mean, you were a nine time All Star,
[12:04] Speaker 2: five in the NBA, four in the ABA, you were
[12:07] Speaker 2: a three time, you were a four.
[12:10] Speaker 1: Times, sixteen time All Star, so you were six.
[12:14] Speaker 4: I was an All Star every season, but in terms
[12:16] Speaker 4: of all pro that was that was five in the
[12:19] Speaker 4: NBA and four first team in Yeah, I already played
[12:26] Speaker 4: there five years, so I was second team the other year.
[12:29] Speaker 2: So in the history of American basketball, professional basketball, there's
[12:34] Speaker 2: a real argument that the most unrewarded overlooked player is you.
[12:40] Speaker 2: That you were. You spent probably forty percent of your
[12:44] Speaker 2: best days. You know, you're in your athletic prime in
[12:47] Speaker 2: the ABA. Have you ever thought about, I mean, do
[12:50] Speaker 2: you regret that decision?
[12:52] Speaker 3: Have you ever thought?
[12:52] Speaker 5: Man?
[12:54] Speaker 2: Because the Olympics back in seventy two wasn't what they
[12:57] Speaker 2: are now. We watched for gymnastics, we watched for a
[13:00] Speaker 2: lot of things. The dream Team kind of made the
[13:03] Speaker 2: Olympic Basketball. It's a showcase. But when I look at you,
[13:08] Speaker 2: I think of all the great players, you probably have
[13:14] Speaker 2: been overlooked more than any great player, because I remember
[13:18] Speaker 2: in the seventies turning on the TV I grew up
[13:20] Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest and watching you against the Blazers and
[13:22] Speaker 2: thinking what am I watching? Have you ever thought about that?
[13:27] Speaker 2: Have you ever had regrets about your journey?
[13:33] Speaker 4: It's an excellent question, and I kind of stand on
[13:38] Speaker 4: the ground that the journey that I took, the path
[13:42] Speaker 4: that I took, made who I am today. You know,
[13:47] Speaker 4: never wan to ego trip and feel like I deserve
[13:53] Speaker 4: more than I've received. I'm more sensitive to the guys
[13:58] Speaker 4: who didn't recognition. I at least get some recognition. I
[14:03] Speaker 4: was on eight covers of Sports Illustrated and multiple colors
[14:07] Speaker 4: of Sports Magazine, and uh, you know, participated in a
[14:13] Speaker 4: lot of charitable endeavors which led to endorsements.
[14:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, shooting Converse, Yeah, my.
[14:19] Speaker 4: Shoe deal with Converse, and it's Balding and you know,
[14:23] Speaker 4: my invitation to become a Coca Cola butler with Bruce Llewellen,
[14:29] Speaker 4: and so so there were things that happened. I've had
[14:32] Speaker 4: a good life. I've had had a very very good life.
[14:36] Speaker 4: And could it be better?
[14:38] Speaker 1: I don't know. It could be different, It could be different.
[14:42] Speaker 1: But my my my empathy.
[14:44] Speaker 4: Goes, you know, to the guys who have passed on,
[14:49] Speaker 4: don't have the recognition their families, They don't have the
[14:51] Speaker 4: financial support you know of pensions and and gifting and
[14:57] Speaker 4: uh so that the sort of things that are more
[15:01] Speaker 4: important than my ego. And I think that my statistics
[15:08] Speaker 4: can be matched with anybody's. I mean, you know, the
[15:11] Speaker 4: guys who came after me and played better in the
[15:15] Speaker 4: NBA than they played in the ABA. And my stats
[15:19] Speaker 4: in the ABA were probably a little better than the NBA.
[15:21] Speaker 4: But I was playing with a different team. I came
[15:24] Speaker 4: a whole career with the Philadelphia seventy six ers. The
[15:27] Speaker 4: first day I got there, the general manager came in
[15:30] Speaker 4: and said, look, we got George McGinnis here, we got
[15:32] Speaker 4: Doug Collins or whatever, so we don't need you to
[15:35] Speaker 4: score thirty points a game. And I've never experienced that
[15:39] Speaker 4: where I've gone and the coaches told me to tone
[15:42] Speaker 4: it down, or general manager, I said tone it down.
[15:47] Speaker 4: And so they were bursts in which, you know, the
[15:53] Speaker 4: doctor j of the ABA came out. But most of
[15:56] Speaker 4: the time it was as you said about the NBA,
[16:00] Speaker 4: you know, to slow down, structure, structure, playing, playing a
[16:04] Speaker 4: certain type of game. So I was encouraged to play
[16:10] Speaker 4: that type of game, although inside of me, you know,
[16:13] Speaker 4: there was always that ability to do more.
[16:17] Speaker 1: And who who asked an athlete to do less? Nobody?
[16:21] Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy.
[16:24] Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because there's so much your journey is
[16:28] Speaker 2: fascinating and and uh, the aforementioned Philadelphia seventy six ers
[16:33] Speaker 2: is one of the first teams I loved, and they
[16:34] Speaker 2: had Steve mix a b a U ab A, George
[16:38] Speaker 2: McGinnis a b A, Bobby Jones a B A. It
[16:41] Speaker 2: was an ABA All Star Jones, Calill Jones. So essentially
[16:47] Speaker 2: that seventy six ers team was an ABA team. Winning
[16:51] Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, was it not?
[16:54] Speaker 1: Absolutely?
[16:55] Speaker 4: Going and losing to Portland and winning ultimately in eighty
[16:59] Speaker 4: three against the Lakers. We had met much ABA representation there,
[17:05] Speaker 4: and plus you know, the guys who didn't get the
[17:08] Speaker 4: ABA experience. I always, you know, taught them things that
[17:13] Speaker 4: I brought over from the ABA, you know. And I
[17:16] Speaker 4: used to tell Andrew Tony. I'd say, you know, George
[17:19] Speaker 4: Gervin came in my second year in Virginia and the
[17:26] Speaker 4: practice was over and he wanted to go home, and
[17:30] Speaker 4: I was like, gee, we got work to do.
[17:34] Speaker 1: You're over here over time.
[17:36] Speaker 4: So we would stay in the gym and it was
[17:38] Speaker 4: at this Jewish community center. We would stay in the
[17:40] Speaker 4: gym and we played one on one and uh, you know,
[17:43] Speaker 4: maybe put in the extra hour, extra hour and a
[17:45] Speaker 4: half and go home exhausted. And when Andrew Toni came in,
[17:50] Speaker 4: it was the same thing with him. I said, look,
[17:52] Speaker 4: you know you're gonna be my new iceman, Gervon, because
[17:55] Speaker 4: because you're really good, and I could use the work myself,
[18:00] Speaker 4: so you know, I would keep him afterwards. And that
[18:03] Speaker 4: was something that Ray Scott showed me in the ABA about,
[18:07] Speaker 4: you know, stand after putting in the extra time and
[18:10] Speaker 4: you know, really the other things about taking care of
[18:13] Speaker 4: yourself and then the other things about just some fundamental
[18:16] Speaker 4: things that you need to do during the course of
[18:18] Speaker 4: the game. You don't have to always jump as high
[18:21] Speaker 4: as you possibly can. And you see it in today's
[18:24] Speaker 4: game where guys they step back and shoot set shots.
[18:28] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[18:29] Speaker 4: Whatever, So the jump shot, you know, is a little
[18:33] Speaker 4: bit overstated because you know, the true jump shot where
[18:36] Speaker 4: you go to your pinnacle and your peak and then
[18:40] Speaker 4: you let it go, you don't have to do it,
[18:43] Speaker 4: actually takes more energy and it's actually a risk reward
[18:48] Speaker 4: shot because you probably, if you probably would shoot less
[18:53] Speaker 4: of a percentage from shooting that way as opposed to
[18:57] Speaker 4: stepping back and.
[18:57] Speaker 1: Shooting set shot.
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[20:52] Speaker 2: to chop it up, and then there's like a three
[20:54] Speaker 2: week stretch until NFL Free agency, and you know college
[20:58] Speaker 2: basketball it's into March badness where it's pretty dead. But
[21:03] Speaker 2: I wanted to start today. I was watching JB. Pritzker
[21:06] Speaker 2: as the governor of Illinois. It's for the uninitiated here.
[21:09] Speaker 2: He's one of the richest, one of the richest families
[21:11] Speaker 2: in America. He is the Pritzker family. It's probably the
[21:13] Speaker 2: top four or five richest families in America. A lot
[21:15] Speaker 2: of their you know, net worth was in the highatt
[21:18] Speaker 2: chain and hotels, and in fact, I have a place
[21:21] Speaker 2: in downtown Chicago and JB. Pritzker, somebody's grandfather has a
[21:27] Speaker 2: plaque on the Wall. I see it every time I
[21:29] Speaker 2: go out the door. So and he is the governor.
[21:31] Speaker 2: I think he's a Northwestern duke guy, very very smart guy.
[21:35] Speaker 2: And you know, so the mccaskey's when you hear these
[21:38] Speaker 2: threats by Kevin Warren and the mccaskeys of moving you know,
[21:42] Speaker 2: the Bear Stadium. Good luck negotiating against J. B. Pritzker,
[21:46] Speaker 2: who's a very very sharp guy. He was a businessman,
[21:49] Speaker 2: very successful before he was the governor of the state.
[21:51] Speaker 2: And I think he would run circles around the McCaskey family.
[21:56] Speaker 2: But what is so insane to me? Like I hear
[21:58] Speaker 2: the stories. First of all, Kago is a blue blood
[22:01] Speaker 2: American sports market. It's in the Boston, Philly, Chicago. You
[22:06] Speaker 2: could end the list there. I've always said, people think
[22:10] Speaker 2: New York City is a great sports city, but yet
[22:13] Speaker 2: thirty percent of the people are from you know, Europe, Russia.
[22:19] Speaker 2: I've seen the Rose Bowl ratings in Chicago, and I've
[22:22] Speaker 2: seen them in New York. You know, New York likes
[22:24] Speaker 2: New York. Chicago watches everything college football, bowling, NASCAR, NBA.
[22:30] Speaker 2: Chicago watches everything. It's a great maybe the best American
[22:34] Speaker 2: sports down and the idea that you pull a stadium
[22:37] Speaker 2: out and put it in northern Indiana. And again for
[22:40] Speaker 2: people that don't know what's in northern Indiana, the answer
[22:42] Speaker 2: is nothing. South Bend, Gary Hammond, Fort Wayne's probably got
[22:47] Speaker 2: three hundred thousand people. The people in Indiana would have
[22:51] Speaker 2: to pay for the stadium. There'd be taxes obviously assessed
[22:54] Speaker 2: to build a two and a half billion dollar stadium.
[22:57] Speaker 2: So I look at it and I think this is nonsense.
[22:59] Speaker 1: JB.
[22:59] Speaker 2: Pritz door, it's going to run circles around the McCaskey
[23:01] Speaker 2: family and all the kids. How do you view it
[23:04] Speaker 2: as somebody that worked here and is a Bears fan.
[23:07] Speaker 5: Well, so, first of all, I find this story to
[23:10] Speaker 5: be joyless because and so when I get when I
[23:14] Speaker 5: go on the score and you know, I still follow
[23:16] Speaker 5: all those people on social media and they're they're all
[23:18] Speaker 5: my friends and colleagues in Chicago media. I hate how
[23:23] Speaker 5: much they feel like they have to talk about it,
[23:25] Speaker 5: because yes, it is like it matters where the Bears
[23:30] Speaker 5: play football. But this is this is a story of
[23:33] Speaker 5: billionaires trying to get a better tax rate for a
[23:38] Speaker 5: stadium to make them, yes, like they're going to be
[23:41] Speaker 5: the Chicago Bears, whether they're on the lake Front, Northwest
[23:44] Speaker 5: Indiana or Arlington Heights, they will be the Chicago Bears,
[23:48] Speaker 5: just like they are the New York Giants, even though
[23:49] Speaker 5: they play in Jersey. They're the Dallas Cowboys even though
[23:51] Speaker 5: they play in Arlington. And so this is this is
[23:54] Speaker 5: just about a family, the mccaskeys, who inherited a football team.
[24:01] Speaker 5: They are not wealthy like the Pritzkers from High End
[24:04] Speaker 5: or some of the poorest mens among the poorest owners.
[24:07] Speaker 5: Their wealth is a team in which they inherited. And
[24:09] Speaker 5: there's a ton of kids, some of whom want to
[24:11] Speaker 5: sell the team and cash in, others of whom feel
[24:14] Speaker 5: an obligation to keep it in the family. And it
[24:16] Speaker 5: seems like they're going to. But they don't have, you know,
[24:19] Speaker 5: millions and billions of dollars of their own outside of
[24:22] Speaker 5: outside of football. And they've played in Soldier Field, small
[24:26] Speaker 5: stadium in the NFL, and they didn't own they didn't
[24:30] Speaker 5: own it. Like I remember, Kanye West had a concert
[24:34] Speaker 5: the weekend of a Bears game where he brought his
[24:37] Speaker 5: childhood home onto Soldier Field and lit it on fire.
[24:42] Speaker 5: And so the Bears then played a game like eighteen
[24:45] Speaker 5: hours later with just a patch of dead grass.
[24:48] Speaker 1: In the middle.
[24:49] Speaker 5: Because they didn't own the stadium, high school kids would
[24:51] Speaker 5: play soccer tournaments and yeah, you know what I mean.
[24:54] Speaker 2: So it was just it's been known as the worst
[24:57] Speaker 2: surface in the league parks and rec and Chicago, and
[25:00] Speaker 2: it's atrocious.
[25:01] Speaker 5: Correct, And it's finally gotten better recently after like literally
[25:05] Speaker 5: decades of being the worst. But so the point is
[25:07] Speaker 5: it's impossible to get in and out of. Uh, the
[25:10] Speaker 5: renovation was pretty ugly. The field was terrible, and it
[25:14] Speaker 5: wasn't big enough to host a super Bowl and it
[25:16] Speaker 5: didn't have a roof so you can host the Final four.
[25:18] Speaker 3: Other than that, they nailed it.
[25:21] Speaker 5: And so then now it's like, Okay, so the mccaski's
[25:23] Speaker 5: want to own their stadium, fine, but they don't have
[25:26] Speaker 5: the money to do it.
[25:27] Speaker 1: Well. JB.
[25:28] Speaker 5: Pritzker, as you mentioned, smart business guy, Illinois, blue state,
[25:34] Speaker 5: it's not very politically popular too to have publicly funded stadiums, right.
[25:41] Speaker 5: You saw what happened with the chiefs in Missouri and Kansas,
[25:45] Speaker 5: a couple of red states, and they are gonna they're
[25:49] Speaker 5: getting laughed at for how much public funding they're planning
[25:51] Speaker 5: going to pony up for the new Chief Stadium. So
[25:53] Speaker 5: Indiana red state, they're going to do it, or they're
[25:57] Speaker 5: going to offer to do it. But my gut tells
[26:00] Speaker 5: me they go to Arlington Heights. I don't think George
[26:04] Speaker 5: McCaskey has it in them to have the Bears leave
[26:07] Speaker 5: the state of Illinois when he inherited it from you know,
[26:10] Speaker 5: Virginia McCaskey marriage. George allis the whole thing. Like I
[26:14] Speaker 5: just they bought Arlington Racetrack. They spent three hundred million dollars,
[26:19] Speaker 5: or they spent more than that. It's three hundred and
[26:21] Speaker 5: twenty acres of land for however many hundreds and millions
[26:24] Speaker 5: of dollars they bought it for. They're not real estate developers,
[26:28] Speaker 5: like they bought that land for a reason.
[26:30] Speaker 3: So this is all just a game of chicken.
[26:33] Speaker 5: It's all just to get Arlington Heights to lower their
[26:36] Speaker 5: property tax rate. And so I find the story to
[26:38] Speaker 5: be joyless because it's literally just about ken the mccaskey's
[26:42] Speaker 5: increase their net worth by building an entertainment complex around
[26:46] Speaker 5: the new stadium that they will finally own. I just
[26:49] Speaker 5: don't care about it that much to he totally can't
[26:52] Speaker 5: it just who cares? Who cares they're gonna be the
[26:56] Speaker 5: Kayleb Williams is gonna be the quarterback of the Chicago Bears.
[26:58] Speaker 5: Call it with Ben Johnson along the plays. Whether it's
[27:01] Speaker 5: an Arlington, Arlington Heights or Northwest Indiana, I honestly don't
[27:06] Speaker 5: care very much.
[27:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, Arlington Heights is close to my house, so I'm
[27:11] Speaker 2: obviously don't feel like going to Hammond, Indiana.
[27:14] Speaker 5: Can I tell you one thing about ham in Indiana.
[27:17] Speaker 2: It's where the casinos And there's probably only one thing
[27:20] Speaker 2: about ham in Indiana.
[27:21] Speaker 5: Okay, Well, so it's where I would gamble because that's
[27:26] Speaker 5: where you get That's where there were casinos. So it's
[27:30] Speaker 5: right over the border, like it's Northwest Siana is Chicago Land.
[27:35] Speaker 3: It's the real thing called the region.
[27:37] Speaker 5: Like I had radio partners, you know, who lived there
[27:40] Speaker 5: because of the taxes and it was so much. You
[27:42] Speaker 5: could work in Chicago, pay the nine dollars toll and
[27:45] Speaker 5: then pay way fewer taxes in Indiana.
[27:48] Speaker 3: But I would.
[27:49] Speaker 5: I would live in Wrigleyville and drive there every day
[27:53] Speaker 5: and play poker when I was twenty two years old,
[27:54] Speaker 5: because that's where all of the casinos were now.
[27:56] Speaker 3: It's disgusting.
[27:58] Speaker 5: It's it's gary, it's bad, it's smoke stacks, it's prison,
[28:03] Speaker 5: it's terrible. But you know, cheap land and property taxes.
[28:07] Speaker 5: So maybe they'll build a stad in there. I doubt it.
[28:10] Speaker 5: I doubt it.
[28:10] Speaker 2: Where do you think they're going to go? Arlington Heights.
[28:13] Speaker 2: I don't buy it at all. This is a blue
[28:16] Speaker 2: but I mean the Niners play out in Santa Clara,
[28:18] Speaker 2: So California is such a massive state, but.
[28:21] Speaker 3: There's nothing in Indiana.
[28:22] Speaker 2: Even Indianapolis is a snooze. I mean, you know a
[28:25] Speaker 2: state's a bad food state when you say where do
[28:28] Speaker 2: you go to eat in Indianapolis and everybody gives you
[28:30] Speaker 2: one restaurant, Saint Elmots.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[28:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just And there's nothing against Indiana, but I
[28:36] Speaker 2: mean it's the state's not wealthy the states. It's just
[28:40] Speaker 2: not a place that local taxpayers in Indiana don't care
[28:43] Speaker 2: about the Bears. They love the Colts. You know what
[28:45] Speaker 2: the best part about Indiana is Bloomington. That is a
[28:48] Speaker 2: great town. Bloomington's a great college town.
[28:51] Speaker 5: Sure and listen, and I've had plenty of good times
[28:54] Speaker 5: in South Bend going to football games. It's just I don't.
[29:01] Speaker 5: They hired Kevin Warren to get this thing done because
[29:04] Speaker 5: he helped spearhead the stadium for the Vikings, which is arguably
[29:07] Speaker 5: the best stadium in the NFL. And he just came
[29:10] Speaker 5: in with a lot of bluster, being like we're going
[29:13] Speaker 5: to get shovels in the ground. He promised shovels in
[29:17] Speaker 5: the ground in twenty twenty five. We're recording this on
[29:20] Speaker 5: March first of twenty twenty six, and we're still playing
[29:24] Speaker 5: one state against another and three different locations against each other,
[29:28] Speaker 5: and there's no shovels in the ground happening anytime soon.
[29:30] Speaker 5: So it's just it's a manipulative story. The Bears are
[29:35] Speaker 5: leaking a ton of stuff to a ton of local Yeah,
[29:37] Speaker 5: that's eating it up, which drives me insane, Like this
[29:41] Speaker 5: is just a game of political chicken and just let
[29:44] Speaker 5: it play out.
[29:45] Speaker 3: They'll end up in Arlington Heights and everything will be fine.
[29:48] Speaker 2: It's interesting with Lebron. You know the Dodgers owners now
[29:51] Speaker 2: on the Lakers, and you know they let go of
[29:54] Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger and Scott Sager and Trey Turner on the
[29:57] Speaker 2: batting title and Manny Machado in his Prime, which I
[30:00] Speaker 2: was surprised with Zach Grinky.
[30:02] Speaker 3: They don't don't let go of people.
[30:04] Speaker 2: And by the way, all the analytics tell you that
[30:06] Speaker 2: Luke and Lebron on the floor don't work because and
[30:10] Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. One they both need the ball. Two
[30:14] Speaker 2: both are I mean, Lebron is now the second slowest
[30:16] Speaker 2: player in the league. So like the tandem of Luke
[30:20] Speaker 2: and Lebron is like it's a disaster on the floor.
[30:23] Speaker 2: But not to include myself in this, but I saw
[30:26] Speaker 2: this week like Chris Berman announced his retirement and it'll
[30:29] Speaker 2: be like in a year and he'll have worked like
[30:31] Speaker 2: fifty years at ESPN. And that's Jeter, that's Kobe. When
[30:35] Speaker 2: you play for one team, that's Dan Marino, right, So
[30:37] Speaker 2: there's this love. You know, I've bounced around in different
[30:42] Speaker 2: companies beyond I've been a bit of a mercenary. You know,
[30:45] Speaker 2: have microphone, will travel, what's the best offer, what's the
[30:48] Speaker 2: best commerce. That was best for my family. That's why
[30:50] Speaker 2: I did it. I could have stayed everywhere if things
[30:52] Speaker 2: worked out. But the downside of being a mercenary in
[30:55] Speaker 2: basketball and broadcasting, in politics, the downside to being a
[31:00] Speaker 2: mercenary is there's not a lot of romanticism about it, right, Like, like, so, Lebron,
[31:07] Speaker 2: you can show him the door tomorrow. Magic Johnson walks
[31:10] Speaker 2: into that arena. He's still more beloved than Lebron, like
[31:13] Speaker 2: to this day. He walks into the Staples, and it's
[31:16] Speaker 2: fascinating to watch the crowd stands. It's like, oh, there's Magic.
[31:21] Speaker 2: You've never seen him your all season to get holders.
[31:24] Speaker 2: So my take is the advantage the Dodgers have is
[31:27] Speaker 2: you can let Lebron go and people will be like, well,
[31:29] Speaker 2: I'll building a statue and I don't think like like,
[31:32] Speaker 2: it's not Jordan, it's not No, it's it's not the
[31:36] Speaker 2: eighty five Bears.
[31:37] Speaker 3: It's well.
[31:38] Speaker 2: And I defended Lebron's mobility, but like La is distracted,
[31:42] Speaker 2: like nobody's gonna care.
[31:43] Speaker 3: No, So a couple of things.
[31:45] Speaker 5: First of all, we will romanticize you, Colin whenever you
[31:49] Speaker 5: want to hang it up. I promise you, I promise you.
[31:51] Speaker 5: We will give you your flowers. No, don't don't worry.
[31:56] Speaker 5: You're very important to all of us at the blah
[31:59] Speaker 5: blah blah and the volume. So yeah, you are. You
[32:03] Speaker 5: are the son of which we all know. So don't,
[32:06] Speaker 5: So don't worry. You'll get You'll get your flowers, and
[32:08] Speaker 5: you're goodbye to her. But you're you're not You're not
[32:10] Speaker 5: going anywhere anytime soon. Lebron means more to the NBA
[32:16] Speaker 5: than he means to the Lakers.
[32:18] Speaker 3: I totally agree.
[32:19] Speaker 5: But you know, like that, I wouldn't worry if I
[32:21] Speaker 5: were if I owned the Lakers about saying goodbye to Lebron,
[32:24] Speaker 5: But I would worry if I was Adam Silver about
[32:27] Speaker 5: saying goodbye to Lebron. Lebron still matters. He is still interesting.
[32:33] Speaker 5: People still care about him. I went to the Bulls
[32:37] Speaker 5: game with Lebron. He was the most popular player.
[32:40] Speaker 3: I mean, of course he was the most popular. He's
[32:42] Speaker 3: one of the most famous people in the world. He's
[32:46] Speaker 3: maybe one.
[32:46] Speaker 5: Of the most famous. He's one of the greatest athletes
[32:49] Speaker 5: ever any sport. He's it's either remarkable. It's remarkable, like
[32:55] Speaker 5: he he's taking up golf and I can't get enough
[32:59] Speaker 5: of it. Like I like watching the clips of Lebron
[33:02] Speaker 5: trying to learn golf because it's like, oh, man, Lebron,
[33:04] Speaker 5: he's just like me. He's yeah, duffing it out of
[33:06] Speaker 5: the rough like he's I would imagine, like, obviously, I
[33:12] Speaker 5: have no idea what it's like to be Lebron, obviously.
[33:15] Speaker 4: But.
[33:17] Speaker 5: I gotta think if I was Himmer in his camp,
[33:21] Speaker 5: there would be a sinister part of me that when
[33:23] Speaker 5: he retires would wonder what shows like ours on both
[33:28] Speaker 5: networks would talk about we've spent I mean, you've been
[33:33] Speaker 5: at this long than me. I've been doing National TV
[33:35] Speaker 5: for a year and a half. How many thousands of
[33:39] Speaker 5: hours between the two networks do you think Lebron has programmed?
[33:42] Speaker 2: Oh, I said fifty. I said this to a baseball
[33:47] Speaker 2: executive ten years ago. I was about a year before
[33:50] Speaker 2: I left ESPN, and I told this baseball executive. It
[33:54] Speaker 2: was at some it was in Connecticut, and there were
[33:57] Speaker 2: a bunch of baseball people there. I said, do you
[33:58] Speaker 2: understand nobody talks about your sport? And you may look
[34:03] Speaker 2: at first take and you may you know, my show
[34:05] Speaker 2: wasn't a thing at FS one yet or but I
[34:07] Speaker 2: mentioned four or five popular hosts, and Tony and Mike
[34:09] Speaker 2: and all them, you know get I don't even think
[34:11] Speaker 2: Get Up was a show yet. But I said, you know,
[34:14] Speaker 2: Mike and Mike I think was Mike, And I said,
[34:16] Speaker 2: nobody talks baseball. I said, do you understand how many
[34:19] Speaker 2: free hours the NFL and the NBA get on these networks.
[34:23] Speaker 2: It's insane. Now baseball, Oh, Taani the dog. That's why
[34:27] Speaker 2: the Dodgers, You and I have said this, They're great
[34:30] Speaker 2: for baseball. They got a villain again for the first
[34:32] Speaker 2: time in twenty years. Like they need a villain, they
[34:33] Speaker 2: need a bad guy. So yeah, no, I think there
[34:37] Speaker 2: isn't really. In fact, I've noticed Danny when I talk
[34:40] Speaker 2: NBA now, I talk Nicks. I don't talk players. I
[34:45] Speaker 2: talk Nicks, I talk Oh, I don't talk Warriors. I
[34:49] Speaker 2: would say Celtics, Knicks, Lakers. I don't really talk a player.
[34:55] Speaker 2: I really don't. And I think that's that's one of
[34:58] Speaker 2: the challenges the NBA had, because it's always been its
[35:01] Speaker 2: most popular when there's a galvanizing or polarizing figure to
[35:06] Speaker 2: lead the way NFL combine is something. And I think
[35:10] Speaker 2: I we touched on this earlier. I I it EBB
[35:13] Speaker 2: and flows on what I talked about college football got
[35:15] Speaker 2: too regional.
[35:16] Speaker 3: I stopped talking about it to a large degree. Now
[35:18] Speaker 3: it's back.
[35:18] Speaker 2: Jim Harborough brought it back. The Big Ten brought it back.
[35:21] Speaker 2: Now I talk about it all the time, the NFL combine.
[35:25] Speaker 2: I am out on. I am out on the NFL
[35:29] Speaker 2: the last two years, and I.
[35:33] Speaker 3: Yes, you were.
[35:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think probe. I think for a
[35:38] Speaker 2: long time it was just NFL and I loved I like.
[35:41] Speaker 2: I like the convergence of college and pro I love
[35:44] Speaker 2: the draft. I love the combine that makes sense, but
[35:46] Speaker 2: it's so rehearsed. Many of the stars don't show up.
[35:50] Speaker 2: I don't care about people's hand size.
[35:51] Speaker 3: I really don't care.
[35:53] Speaker 2: And the truth is, I think one of the things
[35:55] Speaker 2: that's really smart. One of the reasons I love the
[35:57] Speaker 2: way the la Rams do business is they're not They're
[35:59] Speaker 2: willing to say things and do things that other people won't.
[36:02] Speaker 2: They just said several years ago, we're not going that.
[36:05] Speaker 2: We do our own homework. We have tape, we can
[36:08] Speaker 2: go to the Senior Bowl. We're not doing a quick
[36:10] Speaker 2: fifteen minute interview where Johnny Manzel had NFL teams believing
[36:15] Speaker 2: he was Peyton Manning.
[36:16] Speaker 3: It's like, let's ride I never want.
[36:19] Speaker 2: It's a bullshit seminar and it's just polished visa. The agents.
[36:25] Speaker 2: These guys come in with talking points. They train in Phoenix,
[36:29] Speaker 2: you know, everybody runs their fastest forty. Everybody's got abs.
[36:33] Speaker 2: You know, it's like everybody has their best vertical. It's football.
[36:37] Speaker 2: By October twelfth, nobody runs a four to three. Not
[36:40] Speaker 2: even the four to three guys. They've got a bad hip,
[36:42] Speaker 2: they've got an ankle spring like like the whole league's
[36:45] Speaker 2: beat up by week six. It's just it's a sport
[36:47] Speaker 2: of attrition. You're just trying to get your best players available,
[36:50] Speaker 2: like down the stretch. So I find myself, like, we
[36:54] Speaker 2: know who's going.
[36:55] Speaker 3: To go number one? Is there anything that you have
[36:57] Speaker 3: moved out of? Like, I'm just not.
[36:59] Speaker 2: I was never a home run derby guy, for instance.
[37:02] Speaker 2: I was never so that I was never in. I
[37:05] Speaker 2: didn't leave it.
[37:05] Speaker 1: Pro Bowl.
[37:06] Speaker 2: I've joked, I've never watched four plays. I think the
[37:09] Speaker 2: last time I watched the Pro Bowl. Walter Abercrombie was
[37:11] Speaker 2: a running back for the Baylor Bears and the Steelers briefly.
[37:15] Speaker 2: I don't even know where he played, Like I remember
[37:17] Speaker 2: watching it.
[37:17] Speaker 3: He had a big run.
[37:19] Speaker 2: I think it was him, So I don't. I don't
[37:21] Speaker 2: watch that combine I used to. I'm it doesn't do
[37:25] Speaker 2: a thing for me now it turned it on for
[37:26] Speaker 2: twenty minutes today and I moved over to the NBA
[37:28] Speaker 2: and said more interested.
[37:30] Speaker 5: Yeah, So the combine like that was one that I
[37:33] Speaker 5: always I I understood it because the NFL is just
[37:38] Speaker 5: the cash cow and it's the thing that makes the
[37:39] Speaker 5: whole business go. But like, man, these networks really invested
[37:43] Speaker 5: in their combine coverage. They're they're on live for the
[37:47] Speaker 5: whole time that you know, rich Eisen is running the
[37:51] Speaker 5: forty like he's participating running like you know what I mean.
[37:53] Speaker 5: Like they made it into like big business in big TV.
[37:56] Speaker 5: And the whole time, I was like, this is the
[37:58] Speaker 5: underwear Olympics for a that like I'm not sure we
[38:03] Speaker 5: like should be having. And it's just like they it's
[38:06] Speaker 5: between all the college football tape and the in person
[38:08] Speaker 5: interviews and the pro days and like the number one
[38:11] Speaker 5: pick never throws, like it's just like it's just go
[38:15] Speaker 5: get your height and your weight measured basically. Like So
[38:18] Speaker 5: I just I never was that enthralled by it and
[38:21] Speaker 5: was kind of amazed that these networks could get yeah,
[38:25] Speaker 5: eight hours a day of televised content out of it.
[38:28] Speaker 5: So I've never been a huge combine guy. Regular season
[38:34] Speaker 5: college basketball is something that I very much used to love.
[38:39] Speaker 3: And now yeah, really I think America did.
[38:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to love it, and part of it,
[38:44] Speaker 5: part of was age too, To be honest with you, like,
[38:46] Speaker 5: just like I went to Syracuse that that program mattered.
[38:51] Speaker 5: Then I worked in Kansas City, so I was around
[38:53] Speaker 5: KU that program mattered. Good college basketball markets. But then,
[38:58] Speaker 5: like you, you grow further, you grow up, you grew
[39:00] Speaker 5: further away from your alma mater, you moved to a
[39:02] Speaker 5: pro sport market. You realize that, like you know, it
[39:06] Speaker 5: doesn't matter, like you doesn't. You can go they're ten
[39:10] Speaker 5: and eight in the Big Ten and make the tournament
[39:12] Speaker 5: and then make a run. So like one game doesn't
[39:15] Speaker 5: mean all that much. So you have regular season college
[39:17] Speaker 5: basketball has lost me tremendously.
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[39:49] Speaker 1: Must be twenty one plus and physically present in Florida
[39:51] Speaker 1: to wager. Terms and conditions applying.
[39:52] Speaker 6: If you were someone you know has a gambling problem,
[39:53] Speaker 6: please call one eight threy three play Wise

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