# Prime Cuts - Caleb’s BIG Win Over Cowboys, Jimmy Kimmel Returns To TV, Lions BULLY Ravens

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 27 Sep 2025, 1 h 00 min.

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Colin’s top takes of the week. First, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down a huge win for Caleb Williams & the Bears over the Cowboys (3:00), and a heartbreaking loss for the Rams to the Eagles (10:45). Then, he’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Thing’s First” on FS1 to discuss Jimmy Kimmel being pulled off the air before being reinstated (26:00), and Colin highlights the huge advantage the Green Bay Packers have over the rest of the league by not having an impulsive, impatient billionaire owner that meddles with the team (36:00). Danny also explains his evolution on the idea of firing coaches for bad game management (46:00). Finally, Colin reacts to the Lions absolutely bullying the Ravens on Monday Night Football and explains why rosters in the NFC have surpassed those in the AFC (59:00) All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:57] Speaker 2: Cowboys fourteen. Let's spend a lot of time on this.
[1:00] Speaker 2: So I felt for the first time John and I
[1:04] Speaker 2: wrote it down here. I really felt it. In that
[1:07] Speaker 2: nineteen play drive in the third quarter, I wrote down
[1:11] Speaker 2: Harmony I really thought it was the first time out
[1:14] Speaker 2: of the first drive that I thought Caleb and Ben
[1:18] Speaker 2: there was a certain harmony, like he wasn't rushing anything.
[1:23] Speaker 2: Caleb made a couple of big time throws. Captain in
[1:25] Speaker 2: the end zone, I think it was Dj Moore, but
[1:28] Speaker 2: I did now the Cowboys again, they won the field
[1:31] Speaker 2: position game. Chicago did Dallas ceedee. Lamb got hurt second quarter.
[1:36] Speaker 2: They didn't have a lot of offense in the second half.
[1:39] Speaker 2: And I know Dallas isn't very good defensively, but listen,
[1:42] Speaker 2: half the teams in this league aren't going to be
[1:44] Speaker 2: very good defensively going forward with injuries and personnel. I
[1:48] Speaker 2: thought there was improvement. I thought Caleb he dirted a
[1:51] Speaker 2: couple of easy balls, but I thought there was some
[1:54] Speaker 2: harmony with Ben. Yeah.
[1:56] Speaker 3: I mean, I think the story of the game is
[1:57] Speaker 3: Ben Johnson versus Eberflus, which would be like, you know,
[2:01] Speaker 3: a twenty year old playing a five year old and
[2:03] Speaker 3: pick up basketball.
[2:04] Speaker 2: It's not a fair fight.
[2:05] Speaker 3: I mean, ebra flu is probably I understand, like you said, injuries,
[2:08] Speaker 3: but I think ibra Flus is probably the worst defensive
[2:11] Speaker 3: coordinator going So I have a hard time listen. I
[2:14] Speaker 3: give Caleb credit. He made that That flea flicker is
[2:18] Speaker 3: one of the more beautiful throws you will see all
[2:20] Speaker 3: season long. It felt like it flew night. But I
[2:22] Speaker 3: don't put much emphasis on I mean, they score touchdowns
[2:26] Speaker 3: with guys wide open Command, wide open touchdown, DJ Moore,
[2:29] Speaker 3: wide open touchdown, and Rome I think the first touchdown
[2:31] Speaker 3: of the game. Yeah, was a gig just fell on
[2:33] Speaker 3: the ground, you know, So it's just I listen, I'm
[2:36] Speaker 3: not trying to be negative on this. A wins a win,
[2:39] Speaker 3: cool moment for Ben getting his first win. But I
[2:42] Speaker 3: truly believe that some guys in this league get recycled unfairly,
[2:46] Speaker 3: and Ebra flu is a good example. He is no
[2:47] Speaker 3: business being a defensive court. It's embarrassing. I mean, no one,
[2:50] Speaker 3: there's no one even around. So Caleb's hitting these guys.
[2:54] Speaker 3: There was a stretch early in the second quarter where
[2:56] Speaker 3: he missed a couple of balls over the middle. Yes, yes,
[2:59] Speaker 3: but then he calm down. I thought Ben Johnson, for
[3:02] Speaker 3: the first time this year, had a rhythm in his
[3:03] Speaker 3: play calling. It felt like it felt like Detroit. But
[3:08] Speaker 3: he's facing Iberflus. You know, you face Green Bay Minnesota.
[3:12] Speaker 3: The better defenses it's not like that. So I have
[3:15] Speaker 3: a hard time making a grand proclamation that Caleb's fixed
[3:19] Speaker 3: or anything. But you can only play who you're playing.
[3:21] Speaker 3: And they shredded any hit guys that were wide open.
[3:25] Speaker 3: More of a reflection to me on eber Flues than
[3:27] Speaker 3: it is Caleb is fixed.
[3:29] Speaker 2: But I you know, one thing watching the Bears I
[3:31] Speaker 2: felt is they they do have good offensive personnel. I
[3:34] Speaker 2: mean Jesus Luther Burden, Roma Dunze, DJ Moore, Cole Colston, Loveland.
[3:41] Speaker 2: Swift's a nice back. He's not a star, but he's
[3:44] Speaker 2: a nice back. If you give Caleb reasonable protection, which
[3:48] Speaker 2: he certainly had in the interior, they ran the ball
[3:50] Speaker 2: better today. Here's the one thing is if they become
[3:55] Speaker 2: like the twenty third best scoring team in the league,
[3:59] Speaker 2: it's not going to be on the personnel or ben
[4:01] Speaker 2: They've got good agree with share. They have some really
[4:04] Speaker 2: really even their third string back is a capable player.
[4:08] Speaker 3: I would agree with you there. I think two things
[4:10] Speaker 3: can be true, right Ibra Flus and the Cowboys defensive
[4:12] Speaker 3: personnel might be the worst in the league combination, and
[4:15] Speaker 3: the Bears are not as bad as they have looked
[4:18] Speaker 3: through two games. Offensive personnel standpoint, Listen, is Rome ever
[4:21] Speaker 3: gonna be Malik Neighbors or Jamar Chase? Probably not, but
[4:25] Speaker 3: he's a really good player and he could be probably
[4:27] Speaker 3: a really good two. We know Dj Moore is like
[4:30] Speaker 3: a fringe what one B two, so that they got
[4:32] Speaker 3: two good receivers. Cole Komet's a good tight end, you know,
[4:35] Speaker 3: and he's technically they drafted a guy to supplant him.
[4:37] Speaker 3: So I'm with you there. I'm fascinated to watch listen sometimes,
[4:42] Speaker 3: especially with a young player, a young person, however.
[4:45] Speaker 2: You could get.
[4:45] Speaker 3: Confidence is important. So whether it's against the worst defense
[4:49] Speaker 3: in the league, who cares, right, So now it's can
[4:53] Speaker 3: you build on this? Who do they play next week?
[4:55] Speaker 3: The Raiders who aren't very good? I mean, so that
[4:59] Speaker 3: is something to to keep an eye on it. If
[5:01] Speaker 3: they can build on it, then yeah, then maybe there
[5:03] Speaker 3: is some life here. I just have a hard time
[5:06] Speaker 3: extracting much from throwing it to guys that are wide
[5:10] Speaker 3: open in the NFL, because we know that's not the case.
[5:13] Speaker 3: What fifteen to sixteen of the games that you're going
[5:16] Speaker 3: to play throughout the year, especially that division, which is
[5:19] Speaker 3: a good defensive division.
[5:20] Speaker 2: You know, it's once ceed Lamb got banged up. I mean,
[5:24] Speaker 2: you got Tolbert and Turpin and George Pickens and Javonte
[5:28] Speaker 2: Williams pretty good running back.
[5:30] Speaker 1: But it is.
[5:32] Speaker 2: Listen, here's what you and I both felt coming into
[5:35] Speaker 2: the Cowboys season. This is a bad coaching staff. And
[5:40] Speaker 2: I thought today there was one point it was you know,
[5:43] Speaker 2: it was a fourteen fourteen game, but it was fourteen
[5:48] Speaker 2: three first after the first quarter, and was it fourteen fourteen?
[5:52] Speaker 2: Here do I make a mistake? Here? I was twenty
[5:55] Speaker 2: four to fourteen. I think there was a point in
[5:58] Speaker 2: the game when Cedee Lamb went out and I thought, well,
[6:02] Speaker 2: you know, they've got some pretty decent weapons. But one
[6:06] Speaker 2: of the things that was pretty clear is that Dak
[6:08] Speaker 2: was trying to throw the ball down the field and
[6:10] Speaker 2: was getting pretty good protection, but he couldn't. And so
[6:14] Speaker 2: once Ceedee Lamb was out of the game, he was
[6:18] Speaker 2: looking downfield. You'd see him multiple times, John Dak would
[6:20] Speaker 2: be waiting and waiting to go downfield and he would
[6:23] Speaker 2: dump it off. Is that if you take Cedee Lamb out,
[6:27] Speaker 2: you can see the Cowboys have missed defensively and offensively.
[6:31] Speaker 2: They've missed on draft picks. They have a lot of
[6:33] Speaker 2: C level players.
[6:35] Speaker 3: Well, well, let's take the two teams. You know, coaching staffs.
[6:38] Speaker 3: You know, Ben Johnson obviously is one of the better
[6:40] Speaker 3: offensive coordinators and offensive mines in the league. And even
[6:43] Speaker 3: Brady said Dennis Allen is one of the tougher defensive
[6:46] Speaker 3: coordinators he faced as a player. And I don't think
[6:48] Speaker 3: he's just thrown out there. We've seen him when he
[6:51] Speaker 3: was with the Broncos with Peyton Manning excellent and obviously
[6:54] Speaker 3: when he was with Sean Payton they had a couple
[6:56] Speaker 3: of years where the Saint's defense was excellent. That's why
[6:59] Speaker 3: he got the job when Sewn basically took the year off. Right,
[7:03] Speaker 3: So then you look, Brian Schottenheimer hires eebra Flus. Say
[7:06] Speaker 3: what you want about Mike McCarthy, his new two defensive coordinators.
[7:09] Speaker 3: The last couple, you know, stretch was Dan Quinn and
[7:12] Speaker 3: then Mike Zimmer, Right, I mean those are obviously Dan
[7:15] Speaker 3: Quinn is one of the better coaches in the league.
[7:17] Speaker 3: And Mike Zimmer's resume speaks for itself. So you go
[7:19] Speaker 3: from those two guys to ebra Flus. I can't get over.
[7:23] Speaker 3: I had a buddy one time, tell me he had
[7:26] Speaker 3: because he was a longtime quarterback coach and he became
[7:28] Speaker 3: an offensive coordinator for like one of the worst teams
[7:30] Speaker 3: in the league. And I say, I get the money,
[7:32] Speaker 3: but can't this derail your career? He's no, He's like, actually,
[7:36] Speaker 3: this changes my career because once you go, oh, that
[7:38] Speaker 3: guy's an offensive coordinator, whether you have success or you don't,
[7:41] Speaker 3: you just get in that mix.
[7:43] Speaker 2: Right.
[7:44] Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, when he became the head coach of the
[7:46] Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers, hadn't been some dynamic offensive coordinator for years,
[7:50] Speaker 3: but he was viewed as like that was the next step.
[7:52] Speaker 3: And I think sometimes guys, you know eber Flus becomes
[7:55] Speaker 3: a head coach, Well, if he's not a head coach,
[7:57] Speaker 3: he's then just a coordinator. You see this with Brandon's
[8:00] Speaker 3: Well what if they're actually just position coaches, you know,
[8:03] Speaker 3: and they get in this cycle and you know, Ben
[8:05] Speaker 3: Johnson gets to play him and was running circles around
[8:08] Speaker 3: him today. I mean the Fleet Flicker is a good example.
[8:10] Speaker 3: Right out of the Fleet Flicker because the guy almost
[8:12] Speaker 3: got tackled. I'm like gonna say, and he hits up
[8:14] Speaker 3: of the guy's wide openness, Like what is going on.
[8:17] Speaker 3: These guys have no clue what they're doing. So listen
[8:19] Speaker 3: to the coaching in this league. It's when you get
[8:22] Speaker 3: good defensive coordinators, it really stands out. The Brian Flores,
[8:25] Speaker 3: the Robert Solis, the Vic Fangios. When you get bad ones,
[8:29] Speaker 3: it really stands out. And I think that was pretty
[8:31] Speaker 3: evident in this game with Ben Johnson. And listen, I'm
[8:35] Speaker 3: not trying to diminish Caleb Williams, but he was throwing
[8:38] Speaker 3: to do wide open guys, which is pretty unheard of.
[8:41] Speaker 3: It happens on a play, but it happened play after
[8:43] Speaker 3: play after play.
[8:44] Speaker 1: I mean it was.
[8:45] Speaker 3: It was an un serious defensive performance.
[8:47] Speaker 2: All right. Rams at one point led twenty six to
[8:51] Speaker 2: seven and lost thirty three to twenty six to Philadelphia.
[8:55] Speaker 2: My first, I have two major takes here. First of all,
[8:58] Speaker 2: the Rams didn't draft corner and that was one of
[9:01] Speaker 2: the curious things. That was one of their primary needs
[9:04] Speaker 2: was maybe a quarterback for the future, and it was
[9:07] Speaker 2: a bad quarterback class and cornerbacks they didn't and AJ
[9:11] Speaker 2: Brown eight today there was a lot of third downs
[9:15] Speaker 2: Devonte Smith and AJ Brown Rams and it wasn't like
[9:19] Speaker 2: they were beaten badly. It wasn't like they were poorly
[9:21] Speaker 2: coached like Dallas. They just don't have any playmakers in
[9:24] Speaker 2: the back end, and then twice kicks get blocked. They
[9:29] Speaker 2: didn't draft a center, another position of need on that
[9:32] Speaker 2: offensive line. They're not very good at center. They've got
[9:35] Speaker 2: you know, Shelton who's been Shelton colebyan I think who's
[9:38] Speaker 2: been around forever, and a kid out of Arkansas. They
[9:41] Speaker 2: drafted six or seventh round and two top three times now.
[9:44] Speaker 2: Against Philadelphia last year, remember in the playoff game and
[9:48] Speaker 2: the Rams are driving and Jalen Carter blows up, the
[9:51] Speaker 2: final play blows up. They're like six seventh round center.
[9:55] Speaker 2: And then twice on field goals, it's a Jordan Davis
[9:59] Speaker 2: blowing up their field goals two block, one for a touchdown.
[10:03] Speaker 2: So they didn't address a lot of what they addressed
[10:06] Speaker 2: in the off season. You know, Devonte Adams has been
[10:09] Speaker 2: a good find. Landaman, the interior linebacker has been a
[10:13] Speaker 2: good get. But they didn't draft a corner and they
[10:17] Speaker 2: are below average at center. And if you play Philadelphia
[10:21] Speaker 2: and you don't have people, and you don't have an
[10:23] Speaker 2: elite corner against a j or DeVante and you can't
[10:28] Speaker 2: block Jalen Carter and Davis, You're in big trouble. And
[10:32] Speaker 2: I just thought, you know, it was a remarkable game.
[10:34] Speaker 2: In the first half, it was a coaching mismatch, like
[10:37] Speaker 2: McVeigh was doing whatever he wanted. But in the end,
[10:40] Speaker 2: I think Philadelphia went in Nick SIRIONI made some adjustments
[10:43] Speaker 2: and they completely dominated the second half. I just think
[10:47] Speaker 2: when they play Philadelphia, the interior of the Eagles defensive
[10:52] Speaker 2: line just continues to dominate the ramp. Remember the fourth
[10:56] Speaker 2: and one call the Rams made and the big guys
[10:59] Speaker 2: blew that add up as well. It's like four separate
[11:02] Speaker 2: plays in two years, and the Eagles are two and
[11:04] Speaker 2: zero in those games because of those moments.
[11:07] Speaker 3: And even Greg Olsen said like, I wouldn't do that
[11:09] Speaker 3: in this spot here, and McVeigh was like, ah, because
[11:12] Speaker 3: I'm with you. The Rams showed up to kick their
[11:15] Speaker 3: ass and they came out of the gates swinging, and
[11:17] Speaker 3: it's at one point in time, I think it's nineteen
[11:19] Speaker 3: to seven and a half, it felt more like thirty
[11:22] Speaker 3: to seven. It did, and you know, the yardage that
[11:26] Speaker 3: was up there was like two hundred to forty yards.
[11:29] Speaker 3: I felt knowing that town a little bit, like, I
[11:32] Speaker 3: think this offensive coordinator is gonna get fired. He's three
[11:35] Speaker 3: games in. Listen, they're the defending champs, but this is
[11:39] Speaker 3: not gonna fly. And give them credit, they came out
[11:42] Speaker 3: and they just started throwing it to eleven. They said,
[11:44] Speaker 3: you know what, and Greg Olsen kept saying it, like,
[11:46] Speaker 3: just target him. Remember in the first game he had
[11:48] Speaker 3: one target. Just throw the ball to eleven, and they
[11:51] Speaker 3: just started doing that. Some of it, it's not like
[11:53] Speaker 3: Jalen is throwing these frozen ropes. Some of them are
[11:56] Speaker 3: kind of floating in the air. AJ's attacking it, He's
[11:58] Speaker 3: throwing the guy off them. It's one of the great
[12:00] Speaker 3: turnarounds of Sirianni's career in a one game situation because.
[12:04] Speaker 2: I thought this thing's weird.
[12:06] Speaker 3: I mean, are they about to get blown out at
[12:08] Speaker 3: home with people booing their offense? And I don't feel
[12:11] Speaker 3: like it's a bad rap because they always boo. Well,
[12:13] Speaker 3: I mean, that's what are they supposed to do?
[12:15] Speaker 2: Cheer John? I mean at halftime, it was one hundred
[12:19] Speaker 2: and fifteen yards rushing for the Rams thirty four for
[12:22] Speaker 2: the Eagles. Rams had basically one hundred yards passing Philadelphia
[12:26] Speaker 2: had minus one. I mean, the game was nineteen to
[12:29] Speaker 2: seven at half, and no question it should have been
[12:32] Speaker 2: like twenty seven to seven or thirty to seven. It
[12:34] Speaker 2: was a complete mismatch. But again, you know.
[12:38] Speaker 3: There never missed a couple passes down the stretch too.
[12:41] Speaker 2: There was also Pooka dropped a touchdown pass in the
[12:45] Speaker 2: end zone. It wasn't an easy catch, but he should
[12:47] Speaker 2: have made it. It was one of these games when
[12:49] Speaker 2: I look at Stafford if he's out of rhythm, and
[12:52] Speaker 2: he missed a couple of passes, both in the red zone,
[12:56] Speaker 2: you don't get anything out of the pocket. And I
[12:59] Speaker 2: felt like he didn't have his best game. I thought
[13:02] Speaker 2: in the second half he just was out of rhythm.
[13:05] Speaker 3: One defining moment that's kind of like a you know,
[13:08] Speaker 3: football in the weeds. But they mentioned on the broadcast
[13:12] Speaker 3: too that Lane Johnson gets hurt, hurts his neck, and
[13:15] Speaker 3: it goes that can't be good, and they put in
[13:17] Speaker 3: the backup and the backup is just getting destroyed. I mean,
[13:20] Speaker 3: they're putting verse over there and they got no shot. Well,
[13:23] Speaker 3: then a couple series they benched that guy and go
[13:25] Speaker 3: to another backup and he's dramatically better and to me,
[13:30] Speaker 3: that's kind of the defining attribute of this organization. They're
[13:33] Speaker 3: pretty ruthless. Like, just because you're the quote unquote back
[13:35] Speaker 3: and you're not getting it done, you'll blast two series
[13:37] Speaker 3: you're out of there throwing another guy. And that helped
[13:39] Speaker 3: change the game because there was a moment where you
[13:41] Speaker 3: went well with Lane Johnson out the physicality of the Rams.
[13:44] Speaker 3: They're front with verse with young with Fisk, like they're
[13:48] Speaker 3: taking over this game. I mean, Jalen was you know,
[13:52] Speaker 3: sometimes he struggles a little bit, it feels like he's
[13:54] Speaker 3: just out of rhythm, but today he was under siege
[13:56] Speaker 3: in that first half getting destroyed. So you know, I
[14:00] Speaker 3: think it shouldn't be that complicated. Like the Rams they
[14:03] Speaker 3: throw it to Puka Nakula all the time. Well, no, shit, Like,
[14:06] Speaker 3: how does it take you so long to throw to
[14:08] Speaker 3: aj Brown? Especially with Saquan you know, the game plan
[14:11] Speaker 3: was this forced Jalen to stay within the pocket where
[14:14] Speaker 3: he's not as comfortable and corral Saquon Barkley. Well, if
[14:19] Speaker 3: one thing Jalen is good at is throwing outside the numbers,
[14:22] Speaker 3: anyone in the league will tell you that. Obviously on
[14:24] Speaker 3: the move, throwing the ball down the field, but even
[14:26] Speaker 3: in the pocket, throwing outside the numbers is something he's
[14:29] Speaker 3: very comfortable doing. And clearly they got two, you know,
[14:32] Speaker 3: elite wide receivers. I mean, they probably have one of,
[14:34] Speaker 3: if not the best one to two combinations in the league.
[14:37] Speaker 3: And it looked like it was broken and then it wasn't.
[14:41] Speaker 3: And then like you said, I mean Jordan Davis and
[14:43] Speaker 3: Jalen Carter. I mean, these guys were blue chipper. Did
[14:46] Speaker 3: you see how fast Jordan Davis I's weight, but on
[14:49] Speaker 3: that field goal block where he could hit at he
[14:52] Speaker 3: was at one point in time, it was taking like
[14:56] Speaker 3: two steps to cover five yards. I'm like, I don't
[14:58] Speaker 3: think people realize even though he no longer a wets
[15:00] Speaker 3: three fifty and maybe weigst three twenty five, the movement
[15:03] Speaker 3: on this human being and he's not even their star
[15:06] Speaker 3: defensive tackle. That's Jalen Carter. So that was that was
[15:10] Speaker 3: a blue chip game all the way around. Like I
[15:12] Speaker 3: don't view the Rams that much differently, like I think,
[15:15] Speaker 3: like watching the Niners, like I would say today the
[15:17] Speaker 3: Rams are a better team currently than the forty nine ers.
[15:20] Speaker 3: But listen, I mean, at the end of the day,
[15:21] Speaker 3: you got to find a way to win a game
[15:23] Speaker 3: that you are controlling on the road. Well, the Deeps
[15:26] Speaker 3: did not have life. They had no life.
[15:28] Speaker 2: The Eagles have a star in every unit, the rams
[15:31] Speaker 2: at corner they really need work.
[15:34] Speaker 3: But Colin most teams don't have, you know, Deon Sanders,
[15:37] Speaker 3: Dureux reevas out there. So especially once AJ gets going,
[15:41] Speaker 3: you would think you would cheat a little bit and
[15:43] Speaker 3: give him some help. I mean they left him on
[15:45] Speaker 3: an island and Aj was just throwing whoever was on
[15:48] Speaker 3: him one on one just over his shoulder. That just
[15:51] Speaker 3: you know, working another five, ten twenty yards down the field.
[15:54] Speaker 2: It's amazing what happens in these games. This puka drops
[15:58] Speaker 2: a touchdown in the fourth quarter than they they want
[16:00] Speaker 2: to take a field goal to go up twenty nine
[16:03] Speaker 2: to twenty one, and it gets blocked and it's like,
[16:06] Speaker 2: oh shit, and then Hurtz hits Devonte Smith twenty eight
[16:10] Speaker 2: twenty six. They lead, but that touchdown when it's dropped,
[16:15] Speaker 2: then the field goal is blocked and you're like, there's
[16:18] Speaker 2: just two plays. And that's what the Eagles do. They
[16:22] Speaker 2: just got a hand on the puka on the on
[16:25] Speaker 2: the puka drop just enough body on it and then
[16:28] Speaker 2: they block the kick, and so when you have these moments.
[16:31] Speaker 2: Dallas had these a couple of weeks ago when they
[16:33] Speaker 2: played Philadelphia. You have these moments, and when you play
[16:36] Speaker 2: Philadelphia and you have these moments, you have to make
[16:40] Speaker 2: the plays. Because they've shown they're an uneven football team.
[16:44] Speaker 2: They have really bad halves. It's not that rare for
[16:47] Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts to have a really bad half. He had
[16:50] Speaker 2: a bad half against the Rams in the playoff game.
[16:52] Speaker 2: Like he has. This team is uneven, but when their
[16:56] Speaker 2: horsepower revs up and they get momentum, I mean, Saquan's
[17:00] Speaker 2: not even running. He hasn't been nearly as effective. But
[17:02] Speaker 2: when they get going and they get that pass rush,
[17:05] Speaker 2: and over the course of a game, their defensive front
[17:09] Speaker 2: wears you out. And I felt like at the end
[17:11] Speaker 2: of the game, the Rams had all these card tricks
[17:14] Speaker 2: and then that just came down to personnel, and the
[17:16] Speaker 2: Eagles had better personnel.
[17:18] Speaker 3: I also think when you have, you know, a guy
[17:22] Speaker 3: like Saquon Barkley that terrifies these defensive coordinators that at
[17:25] Speaker 3: any moment can go fifty if you screw up a lane.
[17:29] Speaker 3: They spend so much effort trying to corral him. Well,
[17:32] Speaker 3: they got Jalen Hurts, who at any moment they can
[17:34] Speaker 3: just do that kind of keeper play and then he
[17:37] Speaker 3: can go. And you saw with Kyler Murray when you
[17:39] Speaker 3: have a guy, those guys want to throw it, like
[17:41] Speaker 3: Jalen no longer wants to run it, but at any
[17:43] Speaker 3: moment when he has to, he can gets you seven yards.
[17:46] Speaker 3: So like you said, yeah, he could be terrible, but
[17:48] Speaker 3: at any moment he could just gain them a momentum
[17:51] Speaker 3: play with his own legs because you spend all your
[17:54] Speaker 3: effort going on Saquon, Like I don't think Saquan's numbers
[17:57] Speaker 3: so far through the beginning of the year look great.
[17:59] Speaker 3: Can you imagine the emphasis Monday through Saturday that the
[18:02] Speaker 3: defensive coordinators are screaming at the units to stop him.
[18:06] Speaker 3: So and that's where Jalen and they always have that
[18:08] Speaker 3: in their back pocket and they've used it a couple
[18:10] Speaker 3: times in the second half. Just let him get to
[18:12] Speaker 3: the edges. Because even when you walk, like when you
[18:14] Speaker 3: watch Kyler, he looks like a wide receiver or something
[18:17] Speaker 3: with the bond in his hands. Sometimes Jalen when he's
[18:19] Speaker 3: running doesn't even look that fast, but he's just a
[18:21] Speaker 3: smooth runner, and he's very natural in space. He had
[18:24] Speaker 3: one run today for like eight nine yards in the
[18:27] Speaker 3: second half. That is just something they can kind of
[18:29] Speaker 3: keep in their back pocket. And let's face it, they
[18:31] Speaker 3: play in a lot of close games because their offense
[18:34] Speaker 3: has kind of been an eMac this year.
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[20:07] Speaker 2: All Right, Danny Parkins, former Chicago radio legend now at
[20:11] Speaker 2: FS one, is joining us. We bring in Danny about
[20:14] Speaker 2: once every five or six weeks. He's a busy guy,
[20:18] Speaker 2: you know. I was thinking about this. Somebody the other
[20:19] Speaker 2: day asked me. They said, you know, Colin, you don't
[20:21] Speaker 2: do politics, and I said, well, I also don't post
[20:24] Speaker 2: my meals on Twitter. There's a lot of things I
[20:27] Speaker 2: do that I don't do publicly. I don't want to
[20:30] Speaker 2: hear Bill Maher's football picks or Ben Shapiro talk the
[20:34] Speaker 2: college football playoff. I said, you know, me and my
[20:37] Speaker 2: brand is like football in sports, and that's what it is.
[20:40] Speaker 2: And I don't want to dilute it at all. Stephen A.
[20:42] Speaker 2: Smith loves it. Knock yourself out. I don't want to
[20:45] Speaker 2: work that hard. But it was interesting because one of
[20:48] Speaker 2: the only times I've thought, ooh, should I have an opinion,
[20:51] Speaker 2: but I didn't because I was busy in doing stuff
[20:54] Speaker 2: and didn't care, was the Jimmy Kimel situation, where listen,
[20:57] Speaker 2: I just don't think it's I think it's a bad precedent.
[20:59] Speaker 2: I don't care what somebody says, how offended you are.
[21:01] Speaker 2: Don't take comedians off the air. Don't. And by the way,
[21:05] Speaker 2: the left was doing it with comedians years ago. They
[21:09] Speaker 2: were getting called out for jokes, and now the right's
[21:12] Speaker 2: upset with Kimmel. But one of the things I thought
[21:15] Speaker 2: about was that in the end, Bob Iger, who I
[21:21] Speaker 2: know a little bit, Disney is huge globally. It is
[21:25] Speaker 2: massive in southern California, and Bob's going to retire. I
[21:29] Speaker 2: know where Hey lives in California. He loves it. And
[21:32] Speaker 2: my take was, he's surrounded he Disney is a company
[21:35] Speaker 2: full of artists. I mean, it really is. That's what
[21:39] Speaker 2: it is. The theme parks used to drive it. I'm
[21:41] Speaker 2: not sure the percentage of revenue, but you know, so
[21:43] Speaker 2: much of Disney now is movies and Hulu and all
[21:47] Speaker 2: this stuff. And my takeaway was, in the end, I
[21:52] Speaker 2: thought Bob Iger probably sat down and went and I
[21:54] Speaker 2: think Gavin knew some things. This way, this is my state.
[21:58] Speaker 2: I literally have the support of half the state, many
[22:01] Speaker 2: of which are artists, creatives. Screw next our it's local levy.
[22:07] Speaker 2: I mean, it's like ninth on our wrung. And I
[22:10] Speaker 2: really wondered. I thought, like, if you're Gavin Newsom and
[22:13] Speaker 2: you're Bob Iger, and basically your support in the state
[22:15] Speaker 2: is overwhelmingly these creative industries, and you're like, well, Kimmel's
[22:19] Speaker 2: in a creative space. I don't care if the President
[22:21] Speaker 2: hates me. I wonder that was my take on it,
[22:24] Speaker 2: that everything in my life, every big decision comes down
[22:27] Speaker 2: to sex, power and money, nobody else. But you know
[22:31] Speaker 2: what I mean, Seriously, when when you're talking about big corporations,
[22:33] Speaker 2: it's I mean, it could be the White House, it
[22:36] Speaker 2: could be Main Street, it could be any Wall Street,
[22:39] Speaker 2: and that why do you think And if you don't
[22:42] Speaker 2: like this question, you can talk bears, but why do
[22:44] Speaker 2: you just saying no, you're just gonna put them back on?
[22:49] Speaker 2: You know, you said a lot there.
[22:50] Speaker 1: And I've got a lot of thoughts on this obviously,
[22:52] Speaker 1: so I can go aslong on this as you want to.
[22:55] Speaker 2: But this, this is the right thing to do. This.
[22:58] Speaker 1: This was a pretty clear cut freedom of speech issue,
[23:04] Speaker 1: and everyone from Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro and George
[23:11] Speaker 1: Clooney and Meryl Streep and Joe Rogan everybody came out
[23:15] Speaker 1: against this like this was a fairly cut and dried easy.
[23:21] Speaker 2: It was an easy one. And so I think that, yeah,
[23:26] Speaker 2: it was an easy one.
[23:27] Speaker 1: When you see that reaction to it, I don't know
[23:30] Speaker 1: how much credit I'm supposed to give you for like
[23:32] Speaker 1: ultimately doing the right thing because it was so universe,
[23:35] Speaker 1: it was so easy, So I don't think about that. Also, though,
[23:39] Speaker 1: to your point about Hollywood and like being comfortable where
[23:42] Speaker 1: you live, Kimmel is so popular in southern California among
[23:49] Speaker 1: the Hollywood elite, right, Like his green room when he
[23:54] Speaker 1: first started doing a show twenty years ago, was like
[23:57] Speaker 1: the Hollywood hangout. People call him, you know, the mayor
[24:00] Speaker 1: of Hollywood. He is as likely to hang out with
[24:04] Speaker 1: Magic Johnson as he is Jennifer Aniston. And then he
[24:08] Speaker 1: when he started, he dipped his toe into the water
[24:10] Speaker 1: with politics because of healthcare, because of what happened with
[24:13] Speaker 1: his young child, and you know, like that was his
[24:17] Speaker 1: He was not a John Stuart, John Oliver. Jimmy Kimmel
[24:23] Speaker 1: is the Man show, like Jimmy Kimmel's local radio. Jimmy
[24:26] Speaker 1: Kimmel is a prankster. Jimmy Kimmel was like likability guys, guy,
[24:31] Speaker 1: pull pranks, football picks and all that sort of thing.
[24:34] Speaker 2: He started dipping his toe in politics through healthcare.
[24:38] Speaker 1: And then I think he got it infatuated with it,
[24:41] Speaker 1: and the left started reaching out to him and he
[24:43] Speaker 1: started doing events and he, you know, speaking at Obama
[24:47] Speaker 1: functions and things like that.
[24:48] Speaker 2: But like Jimmy Kimmel in Hollywood.
[24:52] Speaker 1: As I understand it has pretty like universal approval. His approval,
[24:59] Speaker 1: his approval. Everyone wants to hang with Jimmy Kimmel.
[25:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean because if you think about it,
[25:06] Speaker 2: Letterman always sort of poked Hollywood in the ribs. Madonna
[25:10] Speaker 2: share right, Ricky Gervais doesn't give a fly, and you
[25:15] Speaker 2: know what about Hollywood, He mocks them in front of them.
[25:19] Speaker 2: Cobert is the political guy, Fallon sort of a New
[25:22] Speaker 2: York music vibe. Carson was Debonair, Leno had the monologue.
[25:28] Speaker 2: Conan was quirky, and I always New York or you're
[25:33] Speaker 2: a late night host, you need it.
[25:35] Speaker 1: He was the mayor of Hollywood. He vacations with Jason
[25:40] Speaker 1: and Jennifer. You know, he that was his thing.
[25:43] Speaker 2: He created a vibe, and he created a hangout spot.
[25:47] Speaker 1: And so you know, I I thought that when the
[25:51] Speaker 1: four hundred actors and artists saw like signed that petition,
[25:55] Speaker 1: I thought that was like an obvious step that was
[25:57] Speaker 1: clearly coming. But I thought that if Disney and them,
[26:02] Speaker 1: if everyone like didn't kind of back down on this one,
[26:05] Speaker 1: I think that Kimmel was popular enough that it might
[26:08] Speaker 1: have gone further because you saw a few people like writers.
[26:11] Speaker 1: I think like a writer from Loss or something was like,
[26:13] Speaker 1: I'm not going to work for them again until they
[26:16] Speaker 1: do what's rank here.
[26:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's where I feel Eiger feels that institutional pressure.
[26:23] Speaker 2: I mean a great example is for a brief time
[26:25] Speaker 2: in LA I moved to Brentwood, which is it's a
[26:29] Speaker 2: very much an industry town like Manhattan Beach is USC
[26:33] Speaker 2: grads playing volleyball, work hard, party hard right. Beverly Hills
[26:38] Speaker 2: is very international. I mean, West Hollywood is very much industry.
[26:44] Speaker 2: Brentwood is where the industry, the CEOs, the agents live
[26:47] Speaker 2: and so I moved there in a very beautiful area.
[26:51] Speaker 2: But my neighbors, one of my neighbors, like Lindsay Buckingham,
[26:54] Speaker 2: It was a lot of industry people you occasionally see,
[26:58] Speaker 2: you know, more Dustin Hoffman. I never saw him, but
[27:01] Speaker 2: apparently he had a house. You know, there's a game
[27:04] Speaker 2: show host down the street. That's what I didn't move
[27:06] Speaker 2: there for it. I moved it because in my when
[27:08] Speaker 2: I started the volume, a lot of people in the
[27:10] Speaker 2: company were in that area and I didn't want to
[27:12] Speaker 2: keep driving back and forth and driving back and forth.
[27:15] Speaker 2: And it's fine. But there was a restaurant there called Toscano,
[27:19] Speaker 2: and it was I went there all the time. They
[27:21] Speaker 2: had a great bar that you could just watch sports
[27:23] Speaker 2: really low key. Every time you walked in. It was
[27:26] Speaker 2: industry people and Iiger I went there probably thirty times.
[27:28] Speaker 2: He was there, six to seven of them Kardashians were there.
[27:31] Speaker 2: I mean, it was all these Hollywood people and like
[27:34] Speaker 2: industry people. And the truth is Bob was could not
[27:38] Speaker 2: get in and out of that restaurant. And he would
[27:40] Speaker 2: dress very casually, never a suit. I mean, it looked
[27:42] Speaker 2: like he just got done biking. He was legendarily beloved
[27:47] Speaker 2: and left the company, came back, and I do think
[27:50] Speaker 2: there is this point where you look at it and
[27:51] Speaker 2: you think time out. One of my affiliates, who are
[27:55] Speaker 2: my alliances with they're they're not, they're not. I mean,
[27:58] Speaker 2: and so when you see all the like Silicon Valley
[28:01] Speaker 2: guys go and into the White House, that's different. Those
[28:05] Speaker 2: those are massive global companies. You don't know where those
[28:09] Speaker 2: people are going to live. They probably got eight holes.
[28:12] Speaker 2: Iger always felt like an l a guy. I mean,
[28:14] Speaker 2: it's it's I thought he made an offer on one
[28:18] Speaker 2: of the sports team his family did he feels like,
[28:20] Speaker 2: I mean, so I just I guess my point being
[28:23] Speaker 2: is that like if I was Bob Iger and I
[28:27] Speaker 2: don't ye, I.
[28:27] Speaker 1: Wouldn't think your point you had to do that, that
[28:32] Speaker 1: is your shairman. I mean the stuff that he said
[28:34] Speaker 1: was just like I mean, i'mluckily stupid, and so yeah,
[28:39] Speaker 1: I thought it was like a pretty open and shut
[28:42] Speaker 1: case because and you also said earlier you like the.
[28:44] Speaker 2: Left was doing it with jokes and going too.
[28:46] Speaker 1: Far, Like I don't I don't want to like false
[28:48] Speaker 1: equivalent those because like there's no question that sensitivities and
[28:57] Speaker 1: people like lashing out it media had a little too
[29:01] Speaker 1: extreme and people got a little too sensitive, and you
[29:04] Speaker 1: could like talk about cancel culture or whatever. But like
[29:07] Speaker 1: losing out on hosting the Oscars because you wouldn't apologize
[29:11] Speaker 1: for jokes is not like losing a gig is not
[29:15] Speaker 1: the same, Like because like an event wouldn't book you.
[29:19] Speaker 1: That's not the same as the head of the FCC
[29:22] Speaker 1: taking you off the air and the president like celebrating
[29:25] Speaker 1: your firing, right, Like that's that's not the same. That's
[29:27] Speaker 1: government overreach, and so I thought this one was just
[29:31] Speaker 1: like appalling to everybody, you know, like this was this
[29:35] Speaker 1: is like what happened to Howard Stern back in the nineties,
[29:38] Speaker 1: like this this was just like so they're just like, wait,
[29:41] Speaker 1: they're gonna do what over what comment?
[29:43] Speaker 2: And like who's getting involved?
[29:45] Speaker 1: Like and I thought Kimbo what he said in his
[29:47] Speaker 1: monologue was hilarious and spot on, like he had great
[29:51] Speaker 1: ratings like talk about your all time backfire if you ever.
[29:55] Speaker 2: Had an especially strident position, and for a variety of reason,
[30:00] Speaker 2: perhaps in my opinion, it's a cultural change. You go
[30:03] Speaker 2: the opposite way, and I'm going to start with mine.
[30:06] Speaker 2: And I thought about this so for years I always
[30:10] Speaker 2: said Green Bay not having an owner was a negative,
[30:14] Speaker 2: that you need Stan Kronky on the tarmac with Sean
[30:17] Speaker 2: McVay on the phone and he's getting ready to fly
[30:20] Speaker 2: his Gulfstream from lax to Heathrow and literally McVeigh and
[30:26] Speaker 2: less need pin him down on Stafford and he goes, okay,
[30:31] Speaker 2: let's get him. You don't have to go through a board,
[30:35] Speaker 2: you don't have to gather people around like in Green Bay.
[30:39] Speaker 2: And you know, Mark Murphy had to answer to people,
[30:41] Speaker 2: and so for years I always thought, what a negative
[30:45] Speaker 2: for Green Bay. They don't they can't walk upstairs. I've
[30:47] Speaker 2: always said one of the strengths of Fox over ESPN.
[30:51] Speaker 2: ESPN's a massive company. It's like the Marriott chain.
[30:54] Speaker 1: You know.
[30:54] Speaker 2: Fox is like a boute hotel. If I really needed something,
[30:58] Speaker 2: I would walk upstairs. And I've done it maybe once
[31:00] Speaker 2: and just ask Eric Shanks, Eric, this sucks, you know,
[31:04] Speaker 2: can we do this? Or Eric, I'm not comfortable with this,
[31:08] Speaker 2: what do you think of it? And if he's there,
[31:10] Speaker 2: he would just say, oh, that's a good point. Let
[31:11] Speaker 2: me get it on the phone. And I don't do
[31:13] Speaker 2: it much. I've probably done it twice, or I've said, hey,
[31:15] Speaker 2: can we do this? This is one of them. Was like, well,
[31:19] Speaker 2: I won't even get into it. It was kind of a
[31:20] Speaker 2: thing for the staff. I wanted to do. But you
[31:22] Speaker 2: can get an answer and get it solved very quickly.
[31:24] Speaker 2: And I don't have a lot of you know, I
[31:25] Speaker 2: don't have to do it much. I think I've done
[31:27] Speaker 2: it twice in nine years. It was just something I'm like, God,
[31:29] Speaker 2: this feels weird. Let's not do this. You get an answer.
[31:33] Speaker 2: Packer's never had that. Then something happened and I really
[31:36] Speaker 2: noticed it over the last two to three years, and
[31:39] Speaker 2: I've talked to GMS about this, is that owners have
[31:43] Speaker 2: gotten more impulsive because they're not worth seven hundred million.
[31:48] Speaker 2: They're worth eleven billion, and so they have no problem
[31:51] Speaker 2: running a sixty eight million dollar check to get rid
[31:54] Speaker 2: of both coordinators and they head coach. They don't care.
[31:57] Speaker 2: And when they're around their buddies who are millionaire probably
[32:01] Speaker 2: not billionaires, they're giving them shit when they vacation with them,
[32:06] Speaker 2: like your coach is an idiot, This quarterback's abum. And
[32:09] Speaker 2: you know they it's a bit of a billionaire echo
[32:12] Speaker 2: chamber and they and they lean on the GM and
[32:14] Speaker 2: they lean on people and they just are crazier. And
[32:20] Speaker 2: so Green Bay, now I believe has a huge advantage
[32:24] Speaker 2: where they don't answer to any impulsive owner. They basically
[32:27] Speaker 2: have really smart president, really smart people in the front office.
[32:31] Speaker 2: They tend to be patient with quarterbacks. I do not
[32:34] Speaker 2: believe you can draft a first round quarterback and sit
[32:36] Speaker 2: him for three years twice. You can't do that in
[32:40] Speaker 2: any other city except Green Bay. The masters of the
[32:44] Speaker 2: most important position in the National Football League increasingly so
[32:47] Speaker 2: over the last fifteen years. So that's my sports take
[32:50] Speaker 2: where it's like there and I have pivoted to the
[32:53] Speaker 2: other side, and I think Green Bay's ability to have
[32:57] Speaker 2: multiple year patients is unpressed in this sport.
[33:03] Speaker 1: So the green Bay thing is a little sensitive for
[33:05] Speaker 1: me because my dad's whole side of the family are
[33:08] Speaker 1: cheesehead Packer fans, and I've had to deal with this
[33:12] Speaker 1: for my entire life.
[33:15] Speaker 2: And I always would say.
[33:18] Speaker 1: You know, to my brother, my older brother is a
[33:20] Speaker 1: Packer fan and my dad and you know, rest in
[33:22] Speaker 1: peace to both of them. But I would always say,
[33:24] Speaker 1: I was like, you guys don't know how the rest
[33:26] Speaker 1: of us live. Like you guys get going from Farv
[33:31] Speaker 1: to Rogers to Jordan Love, Like I remember when Rogers
[33:34] Speaker 1: got hurt and Brett Hunley had to play for like
[33:37] Speaker 1: six games.
[33:37] Speaker 2: They're like, oh, it's like six games. Try sixteen years try.
[33:43] Speaker 3: In the eighties, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[33:46] Speaker 1: The game that Caleb Williams had against Dallas, a Bears
[33:49] Speaker 1: quarterback has not done that four touchdowns, zero picks, zero
[33:53] Speaker 1: stacks since Rex Grossman in two thousand and six, and
[33:57] Speaker 1: before that it was Eric Kramer in nineteen ninety five,
[34:01] Speaker 1: and then before Eric Kramer, it was zero times, like
[34:04] Speaker 1: the entirety of the list, and so like the fact
[34:08] Speaker 1: that like so and so, Packerstans don't understand how good
[34:13] Speaker 1: they have it. But allow me to just push back
[34:16] Speaker 1: a little bit.
[34:18] Speaker 2: Isn't it luck is?
[34:21] Speaker 1: It isn't?
[34:21] Speaker 2: I mean?
[34:22] Speaker 1: Because our sample size there is two, right, Aaron Rodgers
[34:26] Speaker 1: and Jordan Love. And because FARV was like FARV was good,
[34:30] Speaker 1: they had FARV. They traded for FARV and then Aaron
[34:35] Speaker 1: Rodgers falls in the draft, not supposed to be there.
[34:40] Speaker 1: They take him, they sit him, but he was you know,
[34:43] Speaker 1: number one, It was.
[34:44] Speaker 2: Him and Alex Smith.
[34:45] Speaker 1: Then that works, and then Rogers they think he's done,
[34:49] Speaker 1: they trade up and take Jordan Love. Then they get
[34:52] Speaker 1: rid of McCarthy. Lafleur comes in. All of a sudden,
[34:55] Speaker 1: Rogers is winning two more MVPs. Like the plan wasn't like,
[35:00] Speaker 1: let's sit Jordan Love for three years. The plan was,
[35:03] Speaker 1: we don't know how much longer Aaron Rodgers has and
[35:06] Speaker 1: then a new coach kind of injected some old man
[35:09] Speaker 1: life into him, and Jordan Love was sitting longer than
[35:12] Speaker 1: they initially thought when they drafted me. If they thought
[35:15] Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers was going to be an m VP,
[35:17] Speaker 1: they would have drafted T Higgins instead of drafting Jordan Love.
[35:22] Speaker 1: So like it's and by the way, it was multiple presidents,
[35:27] Speaker 1: you know what I mean back then with it was
[35:29] Speaker 1: Ron wolf Right, It's been multiple j Thompson and Ted thompsonyeh,
[35:34] Speaker 1: multiple presidents, multiple general general managers. I don't. I don't
[35:38] Speaker 1: just believe that, like inherently because they eat brought worst
[35:41] Speaker 1: and they have no owner and it's green and gold
[35:44] Speaker 1: that they have just like that, they just have this
[35:47] Speaker 1: ability that like if if Mark Murphy went and it's
[35:52] Speaker 1: a new president, now I forget the guy's name, but
[35:55] Speaker 1: if he became the president of the Jaguars, I don't
[35:59] Speaker 1: think that the next Jaguars quarterback would be Aaron Rodgers
[36:03] Speaker 1: level good.
[36:03] Speaker 2: Like I think they have gotten I think they've gotten
[36:06] Speaker 2: lucky twice and it can noise the hell out of me.
[36:09] Speaker 2: So here's where I'd pushed back. They are also arguably
[36:13] Speaker 2: the best drafting team period for twenty five years, and
[36:17] Speaker 2: I think I mean they literally have maybe in twenty
[36:21] Speaker 2: five years, had two bad offensive lines and they never
[36:25] Speaker 2: draft offensive lineman in the first round. Is that once
[36:27] Speaker 2: again their ability to draft middle rounds and just be
[36:32] Speaker 2: patient and not have a relentless angry media banging on them.
[36:36] Speaker 2: Their media is not even collegiate, it's almost high school nice.
[36:41] Speaker 2: I mean, it's a very supportive media. And so I
[36:44] Speaker 2: would buy into Luck if they didn't currently have the
[36:48] Speaker 2: best tight end wide receiver youth groups in the NFL.
[36:53] Speaker 2: And they don't do free agency, so they're missing a
[36:57] Speaker 2: leg from the barstool. And it's almost like there's so
[37:00] Speaker 2: many teachers that are actually millionaires, almost higher than almost
[37:03] Speaker 2: any profession outside of tech. And one of the reasons
[37:05] Speaker 2: they have to be is because teachers don't make a lot,
[37:07] Speaker 2: so they tend to pay off their homes, they buy
[37:09] Speaker 2: use cars. Green Bay similarly knows we don't get free agents.
[37:14] Speaker 2: We have to draft and development, we have to be patient.
[37:17] Speaker 2: We're not attractive to star mike linebackers and wide receivers
[37:22] Speaker 2: on average, So I think I would buy that. But
[37:25] Speaker 2: they draft so exceedingly well, and I think a lot
[37:28] Speaker 2: of it is you do in life what you have to.
[37:31] Speaker 2: If you have to save to retire early, you don't
[37:34] Speaker 2: buy a second car if you're rich. I mean, the
[37:37] Speaker 2: New York operations, they just fly through money because their
[37:40] Speaker 2: game day revenue is huge. And I mean I think,
[37:43] Speaker 2: I mean, like the Knicks, James Dolan, I'm firing the
[37:47] Speaker 2: most successful coach we've had in twenty years. You wouldn't
[37:50] Speaker 2: think of doing that in Green Bay, Like, it wouldn't
[37:52] Speaker 2: even be on the table, would it.
[37:55] Speaker 1: I mean, they fired Mike McCarthy after he won a
[37:58] Speaker 1: Super Bowl, right after he won it.
[38:01] Speaker 2: Obviously he struggled the last year and a half, two
[38:03] Speaker 2: years he struggled. Yeah, but but Mike.
[38:06] Speaker 1: Tomlins hasn't won a playoff game since twenty sixteen, and
[38:10] Speaker 1: they've they've kept him there because, like the Steelers ownership group,
[38:14] Speaker 1: believes in continuity of coaches.
[38:17] Speaker 2: So listen, the Packers are a very well run organization.
[38:22] Speaker 1: So there's obviously an ounce of hater that is coming
[38:25] Speaker 1: out of me when we're talking about this, and Ry
[38:28] Speaker 1: Coast is very good.
[38:29] Speaker 2: It's just an ounce, just a smidge, feels like sixteen ounces.
[38:33] Speaker 2: It might be forty proof, it might be forty proof.
[38:36] Speaker 2: Can you pass me some of that whiskey?
[38:38] Speaker 1: By the way it looks at the delatio Ad policy,
[38:40] Speaker 1: by the name, is the new the new Mark Murphy,
[38:43] Speaker 1: the new Ted Thompson. I just I have a I
[38:47] Speaker 1: think that they are very well run, They are very
[38:48] Speaker 1: good at drafting. The Historically, you are one hundred percent correct,
[38:53] Speaker 1: have not been a free agent team. But it's also
[38:56] Speaker 1: not because part of it is because they don't they're
[39:00] Speaker 1: not attractive to free agents. But in the NFL, guys
[39:06] Speaker 1: normally go where the money is normally right, Reggie Reggie
[39:11] Speaker 1: White going to Green Bay was like a massive deal
[39:13] Speaker 1: on a number of levels because of race and religion
[39:17] Speaker 1: and location and all that. They also paid them a
[39:19] Speaker 1: boatload of money. I remember when Mario Williams went to Buffalo.
[39:23] Speaker 1: Everyone was like, yeah, remember, oh my god, Buffalo got
[39:27] Speaker 1: a big free agent, and I was like, you got
[39:29] Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars anywhere, so green But Green Bay
[39:34] Speaker 1: has also talked about like a lot of like they
[39:36] Speaker 1: believe philosophically organizationally in building through the drafty.
[39:42] Speaker 2: They don't even really pursue big time free agents.
[39:45] Speaker 1: Like part of it, I'm sure is a geographic disadvantage,
[39:49] Speaker 1: but I think part of it is also just like
[39:50] Speaker 1: organizational philosophy. And they're very good and I think Jordan
[39:55] Speaker 1: Love is just good enough to throw a back breaking
[39:58] Speaker 1: interception in the playoffs.
[40:00] Speaker 2: Collar that's what I think. Wait, let's wrap it up
[40:03] Speaker 2: with your pivot a position you had and now, through
[40:09] Speaker 2: either cultural changes, information clarity, you have moved off it
[40:14] Speaker 2: any sport anything. Okay, Yeah, good question, good follow up.
[40:17] Speaker 2: You're gonna hold me to it. So I this. Maybe
[40:20] Speaker 2: this doesn't answer your question perfectly, but I think it's
[40:22] Speaker 2: a decent answer. I used to.
[40:28] Speaker 1: Want to fire coaches for bad game management decisions, messing
[40:36] Speaker 1: up timeouts, messing up you and Nick right, messing up
[40:42] Speaker 1: go for it on fourth downs. It would drive me insane.
[40:46] Speaker 1: And I still don't like it, to be very very clear,
[40:49] Speaker 1: And I do think teams in general have gotten better
[40:52] Speaker 1: at it because they've brought you know, MIT nerds and
[40:55] Speaker 1: analytic departments in and like they've like streamlined their process.
[40:59] Speaker 1: But like I'm talking, like by the way, like I
[41:01] Speaker 1: can go back, like Mike McCarthy on the Packers when
[41:05] Speaker 1: they were in the NFC Championship game against Seattle in
[41:07] Speaker 1: like me ten or whatever. He's got Aaron Rodgers, Aaron
[41:11] Speaker 1: Rodgers's MVP of the league, and he's given the ball
[41:14] Speaker 1: to Eddie Lacy inside the five yard line instead of
[41:17] Speaker 1: letting Aaron Rodgers try to throw and then he's settling
[41:19] Speaker 1: for short field goals. It was this is like before
[41:23] Speaker 1: the analytic, but even up the time you have Aaron Rodgers,
[41:26] Speaker 1: six is more than three go for touchdowns?
[41:28] Speaker 2: What are you doing?
[41:30] Speaker 1: I used to want to like fire guys for that,
[41:33] Speaker 1: but then and like Andy Reid, it was a big
[41:36] Speaker 1: reason why I changed this. Like Andy Reid has struggled
[41:40] Speaker 1: at times. And remember I covered Andy Reid and the
[41:43] Speaker 1: Alex Smith era when he was coming off of the
[41:45] Speaker 1: Philadelphia era. I did not cover Andy Reid when he
[41:48] Speaker 1: had Superman as his quarterback. But Andy Reid would sometimes
[41:52] Speaker 1: do things be slow at the end of half, slept
[41:56] Speaker 1: the clock run punt from midfield, and I was like,
[42:01] Speaker 1: this is so dumb, but goddamn, that guy would win,
[42:07] Speaker 1: and he would win double digit games, and he would
[42:09] Speaker 1: get Alex Smith had the best year of his career
[42:12] Speaker 1: with him. And then you go back through and you
[42:13] Speaker 1: look at it and he was like, Okay, not only
[42:15] Speaker 1: did Alex Smith have the best year of his career
[42:17] Speaker 1: with Andy Reid, but so did Kevin Cobb, Jeff Garcia, Mike.
[42:20] Speaker 2: Vick, Donovan mcnapp like yep. So the epiphany was like.
[42:26] Speaker 1: It's the part that drives guys like me and Nick
[42:30] Speaker 1: crazy because we are sitting on our couch watching an
[42:34] Speaker 1: HD with the clock and the time and the score,
[42:38] Speaker 1: and we can do that part. But the biggest part
[42:41] Speaker 1: of coaching is very clearly not that. The biggest part
[42:45] Speaker 1: of coaching is Monday through Saturday. The game plan that
[42:49] Speaker 1: how you game plan for the Broncos is different than
[42:54] Speaker 1: how you game plan for the Lions, and it's like
[42:57] Speaker 1: a week to week chess and that's what Andy Reid
[42:59] Speaker 1: is the best I've ever seen in my lifetime of
[43:03] Speaker 1: watching football, and so like that, it is a part
[43:08] Speaker 1: of coaching that still drives me crazy, and I will
[43:10] Speaker 1: still yell at my TV about it, but I will
[43:14] Speaker 1: unless you have like, no, like, I will never advocate
[43:18] Speaker 1: firing a good coach for something like that. You know,
[43:21] Speaker 1: like if Brian Callahan can't do it and he can't
[43:23] Speaker 1: coach well, then sure, just like add it to the
[43:25] Speaker 1: list of reasons right why he should be gone. But
[43:28] Speaker 1: it's not like the it's not as big of a
[43:30] Speaker 1: part of being a good coach as I originally thought
[43:34] Speaker 1: it was, because I think I gained like a more
[43:36] Speaker 1: global understanding of like what the job entails. I don't
[43:40] Speaker 1: know that I fully adequately answer your question, but it
[43:44] Speaker 1: is a position that I totally have changed on and
[43:48] Speaker 1: it's now more of like a nuisance than like a
[43:50] Speaker 1: foundational principle. But I also think as I go around here,
[43:54] Speaker 1: I also think teams have gotten way better at it.
[43:57] Speaker 1: Like Dan Campbell is at the forefront of it, but
[44:00] Speaker 1: like teams now all employee game theory people.
[44:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[44:06] Speaker 3: No, And.
[44:08] Speaker 2: I've talked to a lot of I probably say my
[44:11] Speaker 2: best sources in sports are NFL GMS, x GM's current
[44:19] Speaker 2: GMS guys that want to be gms. And they've always
[44:22] Speaker 2: said that a coach is a CEO. If you get
[44:26] Speaker 2: the schemes along with it, it's a total bonus. But
[44:30] Speaker 2: they've got to be a part psychologist. Bill Parcells was
[44:33] Speaker 2: brilliant at that. They've got to be an understanding of personnel.
[44:36] Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson was a master of that. They have to
[44:39] Speaker 2: be play designers. Sean Payton, Andy Reid Shanahan masters of that.
[44:46] Speaker 2: And that clock management is often you have a sense
[44:51] Speaker 2: that that's what you do during the week. You do
[44:53] Speaker 2: all these two minute drills and red zone drills, and
[44:56] Speaker 2: then you let the game develop and Phil Jackson used
[44:59] Speaker 2: to never call the first time out. I covered that
[45:02] Speaker 2: Blazer Laker series with the iconic Shack dunk. The Blazers
[45:05] Speaker 2: took ten point leads multiple times. Phil wanted his team
[45:10] Speaker 2: to figure out dilemmas. His theory was, I'm not going
[45:14] Speaker 2: to wit. I'm not calling the first time out. I
[45:16] Speaker 2: want you to figure it out because when that happens
[45:19] Speaker 2: again later in a game, we have a dynamic. We
[45:22] Speaker 2: have been through this, and so Phil was like, I
[45:24] Speaker 2: don't It's like being a parent. I'm not going to
[45:27] Speaker 2: solve all your issues. You need to solve some of
[45:30] Speaker 2: your issues. So a lot of this stuff, especially early
[45:33] Speaker 2: in the season, I want to see if cam Ward
[45:36] Speaker 2: can handle the clock. We're not going to the super Bowl.
[45:39] Speaker 2: What I have to find out is can I get
[45:41] Speaker 2: him from week three to week twelve to be a
[45:43] Speaker 2: better quarterback. I'm not solving all your issues. So I
[45:46] Speaker 2: was told that years ago by a guy, like what
[45:49] Speaker 2: he goes when people beat he goes. You don't know
[45:52] Speaker 2: the injuries. A lot of times you can't use certain
[45:54] Speaker 2: substitution patterns. You're like, why don't you go get this? Yeah,
[45:58] Speaker 2: you can't actually use it, but you didn't advertise it
[46:00] Speaker 2: to the other team that that tight end is hurt.
[46:03] Speaker 2: And he's like, there's matchups that are a problem. There's
[46:07] Speaker 2: sometimes a GM told me this once, he goes, you'll
[46:09] Speaker 2: go into certain weeks by November and you literally have
[46:13] Speaker 2: a guard that has got twelve to eighteen snaps in him,
[46:20] Speaker 2: and you're just try Kurt Shilling once told me when
[46:22] Speaker 2: he got old, he goes, I had twelve fastballs. You
[46:24] Speaker 2: can't use him in the first two winnings. You've got
[46:26] Speaker 2: to save them. You'll go in and have a right
[46:28] Speaker 2: guard and you're like, he's got about fifteen snaps, but
[46:32] Speaker 2: we need forty, and so you run to the other side.
[46:35] Speaker 2: You don't do as you know, pass protect against that matchup.
[46:40] Speaker 2: So it literally you know there's other things now the
[46:43] Speaker 2: backups get hurt and you're like, well, we don't have
[46:45] Speaker 2: another slot corner, so we're gonna have to play softer
[46:49] Speaker 2: coverage here because that's a physical receiver. So through the years,
[46:52] Speaker 2: I've learned there's a lot of stuff you just don't advertise.
[46:55] Speaker 2: But you go into games by November, you've got all
[46:59] Speaker 2: sorts of holes. You just can't let them know them.
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[48:38] Speaker 2: an addictive chemical. Lions beat the Ravens thirty eight to thirty.
[48:50] Speaker 2: It did not feel like it was thirty eight to thirty.
[48:53] Speaker 2: It felt like it was forty eight to twenty. Detroit
[48:57] Speaker 2: was seven sacks. Really, you watch Baltimore and it made
[49:03] Speaker 2: you just think less of Baltimore as a franchise, Like,
[49:06] Speaker 2: I don't remember the last time Baltimore at home got
[49:11] Speaker 2: pushed around like that, especially by an NFC team, Just
[49:16] Speaker 2: completely pushed around, so demoralizing. I mean, if you take
[49:21] Speaker 2: away three or four incredible Lamar Jackson plays, He's an
[49:25] Speaker 2: insane talent. This game was never really competitive. I mean,
[49:29] Speaker 2: at one point, the Lions converted seven of ten third
[49:32] Speaker 2: and fourth downs. You know, I mean Lamar Jackson. Not
[49:37] Speaker 2: only did Detroit come in and take command early, but
[49:39] Speaker 2: then at halftime they got more dominant in the second half.
[49:44] Speaker 2: So that's just personnel. And you have to be careful
[49:47] Speaker 2: about first impressions because our first impression of Detroit with
[49:52] Speaker 2: new coordinators was the Hall of Fame game. They were awful.
[49:56] Speaker 2: Then the preseason you're like, oh, they're bad, and then
[49:58] Speaker 2: the opener at Green Bay and you're like, oh, Detroit,
[50:01] Speaker 2: this this isn't gonna work. They're gonna miss Ben Johnson.
[50:04] Speaker 2: But what they've done since then is they've really gotten
[50:07] Speaker 2: back to basics. With the game against the Bears and
[50:10] Speaker 2: the game against the Ravens, They're going to run the football,
[50:12] Speaker 2: they're gonna pound it. And once again, if you looked
[50:16] Speaker 2: at the rosters tonight, I mean, obviously Goff and Amaran
[50:19] Speaker 2: Saint Brown and Hutchinson the branch, those are great, great players,
[50:23] Speaker 2: Jamior Gibbs. But one of the things Detroit has done
[50:26] Speaker 2: exceedingly well. You know, you when Sean McVay came to
[50:30] Speaker 2: the Rams, the coach turned around the franchise. You could
[50:34] Speaker 2: say Shanahan turned around the Niners, but he has a
[50:37] Speaker 2: losing record without McCaffrey. Really, Christian McCaffrey is the guy
[50:41] Speaker 2: that took Kyle Shanahan's ability to magically transform quarterbacks and
[50:45] Speaker 2: made it all work. I mean, McCaffrey really has taken
[50:49] Speaker 2: them that offense to a different level. When you look
[50:54] Speaker 2: at Detroit, it's their front office. I mean, these rosters.
[50:58] Speaker 2: I mean last year they're falling apart physically. They had
[51:02] Speaker 2: to go heavy into the interior line in this draft,
[51:06] Speaker 2: and they're starting a rookie on the offensive line. Baltimore
[51:09] Speaker 2: was a little dinged up on the d line, but
[51:11] Speaker 2: you just look at that roster man. They got good players.
[51:15] Speaker 2: I mean, they just have dudes all over that offense.
[51:18] Speaker 2: I mean, when you can have elite tackles in this sport,
[51:24] Speaker 2: you're one of four or five teams in this league
[51:26] Speaker 2: that have elite tackles at bow spots, and that's the Lions.
[51:32] Speaker 2: And they put on a clinic tonight. You know, I
[51:34] Speaker 2: take all these notes, and I was taking them in
[51:36] Speaker 2: the first half like it was going to be a
[51:38] Speaker 2: really close finish, but Detroit came in with it. I mean,
[51:41] Speaker 2: they had ninety eight and ninety six yard drives. Usually,
[51:44] Speaker 2: if you say you're going to go on the road,
[51:45] Speaker 2: you're gonna face a really good franchise, a Pro Bowl quarterback,
[51:49] Speaker 2: and you're going to be pinned deep multiple times in
[51:52] Speaker 2: the game. That is really an omen for a tough
[51:56] Speaker 2: Monday night football game. Detroit had ninety eight ninety six
[52:00] Speaker 2: yard scoring drives. I mean it was crazy. And when
[52:05] Speaker 2: they went forward on fourth and two and gofits that
[52:09] Speaker 2: big pass to Omor on Saint Brown, of course they
[52:11] Speaker 2: went for it. That was an easy one. That just
[52:13] Speaker 2: that's part of their culture. I will say this for
[52:15] Speaker 2: Dan Campbell. I thought he had a kind of a
[52:17] Speaker 2: goofy opening press conference. But I've told this story several times.
[52:21] Speaker 2: I was talking to a general manager in the league
[52:23] Speaker 2: who has hired a couple of coaches, and he said,
[52:24] Speaker 2: you're really hiring a CEO. If you can get a
[52:27] Speaker 2: great schematic coach like an Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan,
[52:30] Speaker 2: that's a bonus. What you want as a leader of men,
[52:33] Speaker 2: what you want. You know, if a guy is too
[52:36] Speaker 2: much about schemes and not about leadership, it's not gonna work.
[52:39] Speaker 2: That's Mike McDaniel and Miami. It's great that Andy Reid
[52:43] Speaker 2: can do both, but you're hiring a leader of men
[52:46] Speaker 2: and that can build a culture. That's Vrabel, That's Dan Campbell,
[52:50] Speaker 2: and he has been steadfast, like he has never wavered
[52:53] Speaker 2: on this. They're going to go for it. They're going
[52:55] Speaker 2: to be super aggressive, they're going to be super physical.
[52:58] Speaker 2: They put on a clinic. I mean that that is
[53:00] Speaker 2: the most impressive game an NFC team has played in
[53:03] Speaker 2: Baltimore in five years, in almost the Lamar Jackson era.
[53:09] Speaker 2: That was a dominating performance. Yeah, I mean third quarter,
[53:14] Speaker 2: Lamar had that drive where he had three connections, two
[53:17] Speaker 2: of TheMark Andrews great throw to Mark Andrews in the
[53:20] Speaker 2: end zone, but then goff to Homer on Saint Brown answers,
[53:23] Speaker 2: great throw and boom twenty one, twenty one. So every
[53:27] Speaker 2: time Baltimore made something happen, the Ravens came right back.
[53:31] Speaker 2: I want to look at a couple of these numbers.
[53:34] Speaker 2: By the way, for the record, the Ravens are one
[53:35] Speaker 2: and two for the second straight year. They're gonna be fine.
[53:38] Speaker 2: But the way they got manhandled tonight, and you know
[53:43] Speaker 2: it's funny. Everybody talked about Lamar Jackson being so good
[53:47] Speaker 2: on Monday Night football because he was. What is interesting
[53:51] Speaker 2: is how good Jared Goff has been in primetime. He's
[53:53] Speaker 2: the opposite of Kirk Cousins. Jared Goff is eleven and
[53:57] Speaker 2: one in primetime. And the first big primetime game I
[54:00] Speaker 2: remember about Jared Goff as he faced Patrick Mahomes. I
[54:04] Speaker 2: think it was going to be in Mexico City. It
[54:07] Speaker 2: got postponed, it got moved. They played in the Coliseum
[54:10] Speaker 2: pre Sofi obviously, and he outdueled Patrick Mahomes. And that's
[54:15] Speaker 2: the first one I really remember. He was good, but
[54:17] Speaker 2: you're like, wow, GoF gets on heaters and when he does,
[54:23] Speaker 2: it's pretty special. I want to look at I want
[54:24] Speaker 2: to look at right now. Here's the official stats. Detroit
[54:29] Speaker 2: had four hundred and twenty seven yards six point six
[54:32] Speaker 2: yards of play, twenty five first downs, perfect on fourth down,
[54:38] Speaker 2: dominated time of possession. I mean to go on the
[54:41] Speaker 2: road and have eight penalties and when it is something else,
[54:45] Speaker 2: I mean, now again, it wasn't like the Ravens weren't
[54:49] Speaker 2: good on third down. They were six of eleven, but
[54:52] Speaker 2: they allowed seven sacks and the Lions didn't allow any
[54:55] Speaker 2: What a performance, And think about the team that has
[54:58] Speaker 2: been so dominant the AFC for years, Kansas City. I mean,
[55:04] Speaker 2: right now I'm thinking about my Super Bowl bubble. Do
[55:07] Speaker 2: I put Detroit back in it? I mean again, Hall
[55:10] Speaker 2: of Fame game, preseason opener against Green Bay. They just
[55:13] Speaker 2: knew coordinators. They look awful. Johnny Morton tonight, I don't
[55:16] Speaker 2: know if you'll call a better game. I mean it
[55:19] Speaker 2: was just and you know sometimes coordinators, offensive coordinators say
[55:23] Speaker 2: they want to run the ball, but they get too clever,
[55:26] Speaker 2: they get too cute. Even Sean McVay sometimes can get
[55:29] Speaker 2: a little bit cute. I mean Johnny Morton tonight, he
[55:32] Speaker 2: just kept going back to the run. I mean, they
[55:34] Speaker 2: didn't and it didn't. It didn't look like the Ben
[55:36] Speaker 2: Johnson Lions. There was no cute. I mean anytime there
[55:41] Speaker 2: was a question what they were going to do, I
[55:43] Speaker 2: mean they did. They did have that double option on
[55:46] Speaker 2: fourth and one. They had one, which I think they've
[55:49] Speaker 2: run that about once a year the last several years.
[55:51] Speaker 2: It feels like maybe more. I don't watch every snap
[55:53] Speaker 2: for the Lions. That's just a great call. And if
[55:56] Speaker 2: you run it twice a year, you know, it's hard
[55:59] Speaker 2: to defend. Really clever and every time I remember Detroit
[56:02] Speaker 2: running it, they've run it well. I think I've seen
[56:04] Speaker 2: them running a couple different times. So but they didn't.
[56:07] Speaker 2: They didn't outthink the room Detroit. It's like we're on
[56:10] Speaker 2: the road. I mean, how fast did the first half go?
[56:12] Speaker 2: Because of both teams were running, The first half.
[56:15] Speaker 3: Just flew by.
[56:16] Speaker 2: It was really good football. Like I love football. I
[56:20] Speaker 2: like quick football. You can get me beginning to end
[56:22] Speaker 2: in three forty. That's good football. Sometimes these college games
[56:26] Speaker 2: go on forever because the team trails, they have to
[56:29] Speaker 2: throw to get back into it. They're not very good
[56:31] Speaker 2: at quarterback. The clockets stopping it's awful. God, that was
[56:37] Speaker 2: an incredible performance. If you're a Lions fan, you know
[56:41] Speaker 2: you look at this league on a macro level. As
[56:43] Speaker 2: I was saying about Kansas City, look at how Kansas
[56:46] Speaker 2: City is just struggling to get their offensive line right,
[56:50] Speaker 2: to get their running game right. You know what I
[56:53] Speaker 2: think we've seen and tonight is a stamp on it.
[56:57] Speaker 2: For about four years because the AFC gms did such
[57:01] Speaker 2: a good job to hit on quarterbacks Herbert Burrow, Lamar
[57:06] Speaker 2: Josh Allen. They just kept hitting one after another after night.
[57:09] Speaker 2: Even the ones that haven't lived up to the billing
[57:12] Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, you know, are still you know, better than average.
[57:17] Speaker 2: And so I felt like, Okay, the AFC hit on
[57:21] Speaker 2: these quarterbacks. Then they had to pay all of them,
[57:23] Speaker 2: and the rosters aren't as good. You're watching the Lions
[57:26] Speaker 2: roster tonight, the Packers, despite losing to Cleveland, great roster.
[57:29] Speaker 2: Philadelphia's roster is the best in football, Seattle's roster, they've
[57:33] Speaker 2: had back to back to back good drafts, the Rams
[57:36] Speaker 2: defensive roster. So what happened is the AFC for about
[57:39] Speaker 2: five years with all these great quarterbacks. You're like, wow,
[57:42] Speaker 2: there was a gap AFC NFC. Then you have to
[57:45] Speaker 2: pay all the quarterbacks in the AFC. Okay, now the
[57:47] Speaker 2: rosters aren't as good. I mean, Buffalo's back into their defense, eh,
[57:51] Speaker 2: I mean Ravens defense tonight, especially in the box. I mean,
[57:54] Speaker 2: come on, they got pushed around. I mean, Kansas City's
[57:57] Speaker 2: defense is playing well, but their offense, the offensive line
[58:00] Speaker 2: run game. So now it feels like to me it
[58:02] Speaker 2: has swung back. I mean I'm thinking top of my
[58:05] Speaker 2: head of the teams in the top ten, Tampa's the
[58:07] Speaker 2: top ten team Seattle is San Francisco is, Philadelphia is
[58:11] Speaker 2: Green Bay is I think Detroit has to be. I
[58:14] Speaker 2: mean Kansas City's not. I don't know what you do
[58:16] Speaker 2: with Baltimore after tonight. They're gonna be fine. They started
[58:18] Speaker 2: one and two last year. They're gonna be fine. But
[58:21] Speaker 2: Denver hasn't been as good as we thought. Baltimore's off
[58:24] Speaker 2: to one, one and two start. Kansas City offensively is sputtering.
[58:28] Speaker 2: Feels like the NFC not saying that because I work
[58:31] Speaker 2: at Fox. It feels like the NFC has had this run.
[58:36] Speaker 2: And in the NFC you have really good quarterbacks on
[58:39] Speaker 2: reasonable deals. Sam Darnold brought pretty Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts
[58:46] Speaker 2: is on a pretty team friendly deal. Dak isn't. But
[58:49] Speaker 2: a lot of the NFC quarterbacks who aren't considered superstars,
[58:52] Speaker 2: their stars are on better team friendly deals, like Darnald
[58:58] Speaker 2: and like Baker. Well that allow you'd have better rosters.
[59:01] Speaker 2: And my staff does such a great job. The NFC
[59:05] Speaker 2: is nine and two this season against the AFC, and boy,
[59:09] Speaker 2: tonight was an exclamation point. That was not just a win.
[59:13] Speaker 2: That was physical domination. I mean they that was bully ball.
[59:21] Speaker 2: That was pushing the Ravens around man Aiden Hutchison. They
[59:26] Speaker 2: kind of limited Lamar as a runner for the most part.
[59:30] Speaker 2: And I like Derrick Henry for the record, but since
[59:34] Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and this was an Adrian Peterson issue. Since
[59:39] Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, Derrick Henry tied for the most fumbles in
[59:43] Speaker 2: the league among the running backs. And I know that
[59:46] Speaker 2: it was a bad fumble deep in their own territory.
[59:50] Speaker 2: You know, feel like, oh, that really hurt the team.
[59:53] Speaker 2: That's not what the game was about. That's not what
[59:54] Speaker 2: the game was about. You gotta be honest if you're
[59:56] Speaker 2: a Ravens fan, this was not your night. Detroit roster
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: better than Baltimore roster. Detroit game plan better than Baltimore
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: game plan. So it's official. Lions went it thirty eight
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: to thirty. It didn't feel like it was thirty eight
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: to thirty. It did not feel like that
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