# Prime Cuts - NFL Draft Breakdown, Can The NBA Fix Tanking? Did Rams Reach For Ty Simpson?

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 25 Apr 2026, 33 min.

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Colin’s top takes of the week. First, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the NFL Draft. They start with the Rams drafting Alabama quarterback Ty Simpson at pick #13 and why it was shocking for them to pick him so high after a limited sample size in college, but Colin argues if anyone can turn Simpson into a great quarterback…it’s Sean McVay (3:00). Colin heaps praise on the Cowboys for drafting Caleb Downs and highlights the massive upgrades Dallas has made to their defense rather than paying Micah Parsons (10:30). They agree that the Bucs got great value in taking Reuben Bain at #15 after experts projected him as a top 10 pick (13:45). They discuss the Chiefs moving up to #6 to take cornerback Mansoor Delane and both agree they had no issues with the trade up to get a much cheaper replacement for Trent McDuffie (15:00). Colin argues that both New York teams did well with their combined 4 first round picks and doesn’t see any busts in the group (18:30). Then, he’s joined by Jason Timpf, host of “Hoops Tonight” They discuss the controversy and backlash surrounding the NBA playoffs being paywalled behind streaming services and agree it’s no different than games being on cable TV (25:00) and what the league can do to address the epidemic of tanking (31:00) (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[1:06] Speaker 2: the Rams at thirteen surprising to a lot of people.
[1:11] Speaker 1: It's not.
[1:12] Speaker 2: You know, Todd McShay came on my show this week
[1:15] Speaker 2: and said, there's a lot of talk, and I mean,
[1:19] Speaker 2: when you're as good as the Rams, what were their needs?
[1:22] Speaker 2: Corner addressed it with Trent McDuffie, probably another receiver, although
[1:29] Speaker 2: you know Jordan Whittingham they got from Texas out of
[1:31] Speaker 2: the sixth round, the kid they got out of Pittsburgh
[1:33] Speaker 2: in the seventh round last year can play pooka. Devonte Adams.
[1:39] Speaker 2: I'm not shocked by it because I think steps In
[1:44] Speaker 2: Bennett wasn't gonna work. Garoppolo wants to retire. When I
[1:47] Speaker 2: saw Garoppolo thinking of retiring, that felt like in the
[1:50] Speaker 2: building the Rams were showing some affection for going after
[1:56] Speaker 2: a quarterback. I guess I'm not shocked by it, or you.
[1:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you look at McVeigh at the owners meetings,
[2:02] Speaker 3: he was begging Kirk Cousins to sign with their team.
[2:05] Speaker 3: You know, then Jimmy Garoppolo, I googled it the other day,
[2:08] Speaker 3: has made one hundred and sixty million dollars, so four
[2:10] Speaker 3: or five million dollars to be the backup financially, he
[2:13] Speaker 3: does not need the money, you know, so clearly if
[2:15] Speaker 3: he walks away and listen, Jimmy, he's been a show
[2:17] Speaker 3: of himself for years. I'm shocked he's a one year starter.
[2:23] Speaker 3: He got banged up at the end of the year.
[2:26] Speaker 3: He's not This isn't a guy with crazy traits, right,
[2:30] Speaker 3: He's not a great athlete. He's smaller, he has not
[2:33] Speaker 3: proven to be durable. Was I had you on the
[2:37] Speaker 3: background today and Klatt was talking about the stats of
[2:39] Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks to be successful in the NFL, the starts
[2:43] Speaker 3: that they have made in college and the overwhelming majority
[2:46] Speaker 3: of them that have had success super Bowl runs. Might
[2:49] Speaker 3: even just say, like pro Bowl level guys have been
[2:52] Speaker 3: multi year starters to get the reps, you know, in
[2:55] Speaker 3: college at a certain amount of pass at attempts. Now,
[2:58] Speaker 3: maybe if we had to bore with a couple of cocktails,
[3:01] Speaker 3: he'd say, listen, I would have gone with Ty Simpson
[3:04] Speaker 3: last year, but Jalen had just he was, you know,
[3:07] Speaker 3: ties more my type quarterback. But Jalen had just led
[3:09] Speaker 3: Sabe into the playoffs. I didn't have a choice. And
[3:12] Speaker 3: maybe there's some truth to that. But when when your
[3:16] Speaker 3: comps are Brock Perdy in those type players, which makes
[3:20] Speaker 3: sense for McVeigh who's been around those like they historically
[3:23] Speaker 3: those guys like quarterback. They've won a lot of games
[3:26] Speaker 3: with Matt shab and Kirk Cousins. But you don't take
[3:28] Speaker 3: that guy thirteenth overall, Colin I was all for. I've
[3:31] Speaker 3: been saying, yeah, you're not gonna draft up here again,
[3:34] Speaker 3: right and hell they trade first round picks like they're
[3:37] Speaker 3: going out of style anyway. If you are going to
[3:39] Speaker 3: do a red shirt player, go with an offensive lineman
[3:43] Speaker 3: that the Georgia, the Georgia attack. Go with someone that. Okay,
[3:46] Speaker 3: you don't have as much hell the guard, right, even
[3:49] Speaker 3: if you just get an other offensive lineman, you're gonna
[3:52] Speaker 3: figure out the quarterback position. Isn't that part of McVeigh
[3:55] Speaker 3: his power? Ultimately?
[3:58] Speaker 2: I think it's crazy. Baltimore with the very next pick,
[4:02] Speaker 2: took the second best interior oldlignment in the draft, the
[4:06] Speaker 2: kid from Penn State. So the pick, which doesn't surprise
[4:09] Speaker 2: you because Baltimore is often built from the interior line.
[4:13] Speaker 2: You know, Linderbaum the center. So the Ravens picked the play.
[4:18] Speaker 2: Now the Rams are very good guard center guard right
[4:21] Speaker 2: tackles a concern. I thought they would go out and
[4:24] Speaker 2: get freeling from Georgia. I guess my take is this
[4:27] Speaker 2: McVeigh made Baker Mayfield work in one practice. Jared Goff
[4:32] Speaker 2: was a bust, made him a star. Nobody thought Stafford would.
[4:37] Speaker 2: I mean last year Stafford was arguably the best player
[4:39] Speaker 2: in the league. Yeah, And my take is McVeigh is saying, guys,
[4:43] Speaker 2: we're not playing in for two years. We're doing what
[4:45] Speaker 2: the Packers do. This guy's going to figure out instead
[4:48] Speaker 2: of staying in college. He's going to get better coaching.
[4:52] Speaker 2: We're not playing in for two years, and we don't
[4:55] Speaker 2: want to get into because the Rams are going to
[4:58] Speaker 2: be drafting thirtieth, thirty first or thirty second next year,
[5:02] Speaker 2: and I think they're thinking, is, well, how many picks
[5:04] Speaker 2: do we have to give up to get to the
[5:06] Speaker 2: number six spot for a quarterback? I mean, because you know,
[5:10] Speaker 2: if Stafford's healthy, they're drafting at the bottom around one
[5:13] Speaker 2: next year. And I think they look at it and think,
[5:18] Speaker 2: is ty Simpson. He may be middle of the pack
[5:21] Speaker 2: of the top seven quarterbacks next year in their eyes,
[5:24] Speaker 2: but I think they look at him like Green Bay
[5:26] Speaker 2: looked at Jordan Love. We don't think he's good now.
[5:29] Speaker 2: We think in three years he could be excellent.
[5:31] Speaker 3: But here's the thing, you know, using that logic, which
[5:34] Speaker 3: is what they're gonna do, obviously he's not gonna start,
[5:36] Speaker 3: and if Jimmy retires, he will just be the backup.
[5:39] Speaker 3: In a perfect world, if Stafford can stay erect and
[5:41] Speaker 3: not get injured, which is always a question mark, right,
[5:44] Speaker 3: I mean, he's older, he's taking a lot of hits.
[5:46] Speaker 3: I mean, hell, even last year I heard McVeigh saying
[5:48] Speaker 3: a lot of people thought we were lying about the
[5:50] Speaker 3: back injury. It was not a lie. Stafford was in shambles,
[5:53] Speaker 3: so you never know there, which I okay, you gotta
[5:56] Speaker 3: have a backup quarterback. But this is a guy that
[5:58] Speaker 3: just hasn't played a lot of football. So you're red
[6:00] Speaker 3: shirting him, or let's say Stafford plays two more years
[6:03] Speaker 3: because this year he's healthy. It's like, right, well, you're
[6:05] Speaker 3: making forty five to fifty million dollars, you're on a
[6:06] Speaker 3: great team, you don't need to retire, and he's in
[6:10] Speaker 3: a place where him and his family clearly like, how's
[6:12] Speaker 3: this guy getting any better? I mean, these practices in
[6:15] Speaker 3: the NFL, and I understand the coaching. Mcveigh's as good
[6:18] Speaker 3: as we gets, but you're not getting any reps. Colin.
[6:21] Speaker 2: I think you are getting reps with Stafford. I think
[6:24] Speaker 2: Stafford last year. Yah. I mean, first of all, you're
[6:26] Speaker 2: getting every snap in the preseason. You're gonna get him.
[6:29] Speaker 2: I mean last year. Stafford is going to show up
[6:32] Speaker 2: late the camp. I mean he did last year. So
[6:34] Speaker 2: my take is Stafford is one of the few guys
[6:36] Speaker 2: He's not like Brady obsessed. He doesn't need every snap. Secondly,
[6:41] Speaker 2: McVeigh was very like when when when Andrew Whitworth got older.
[6:45] Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't wearing pads all year until games
[6:48] Speaker 2: until teames.
[6:49] Speaker 3: Doesn't practice older players don't practice.
[6:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, So I my take is, I don't think Ty
[6:53] Speaker 2: Simpson works for thirty teams in the league. But if
[6:57] Speaker 2: you told me the Rams, I'm like, sit for two years,
[7:00] Speaker 2: do they listen? Green Bay has proven they know how
[7:04] Speaker 2: to do this quarterback thing. And I and I do
[7:06] Speaker 2: think Les Snead has excellent connections in Southern football. I mean,
[7:12] Speaker 2: if you go look at some of the guys they've drafted,
[7:14] Speaker 2: they they don't miss a lot on their draft picks.
[7:18] Speaker 2: I think so much of what the Rams did is
[7:20] Speaker 2: based on how good they think they're going to be
[7:22] Speaker 2: next year, and they don't want to have to give
[7:23] Speaker 2: up seven picks to move up next year. So now
[7:27] Speaker 2: we also.
[7:28] Speaker 3: See here can I just before we finish this, I
[7:31] Speaker 3: view the draft, you know, being around how he's like
[7:34] Speaker 3: an economic exercise and to me, a quarterback, if you're
[7:38] Speaker 3: gonna take, it's going to fall under, you know the
[7:41] Speaker 3: cousin some of these comps. These guys went in the third,
[7:43] Speaker 3: the fourth, it's pretty the seventh round. We have seen
[7:46] Speaker 3: guys physical limitations, Kenny Pickett. Now let's even say this
[7:50] Speaker 3: guy's better obviously ideally better for the rams sake than
[7:53] Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett and Mac Jones. Those guys were. We paid
[7:56] Speaker 3: a million dollars for a five hundred thousand oars house,
[7:59] Speaker 3: and I think in a NEXD exercise and I get it. Like,
[8:01] Speaker 3: once he's invited to the to the draft, a lot
[8:04] Speaker 3: of people speculated there's more than one team interested. The
[8:06] Speaker 3: NFL is just not randomly doing this. So the Rams
[8:09] Speaker 3: probably weren't alone in liking this guy. But there are
[8:12] Speaker 3: a lot of question marks, and I understand the world's
[8:14] Speaker 3: changed since the Parcels, the three year starter, the graduation,
[8:18] Speaker 3: the reps. I do believe that matters a quarterback. When
[8:21] Speaker 3: you look at all the top quarterbacks in the league,
[8:23] Speaker 3: from Patrick to Lamar to even Josh Allen. Even Rogers
[8:27] Speaker 3: was a multi year starter of junior college then multiple
[8:29] Speaker 3: you know, you get a lot of rep This guy
[8:31] Speaker 3: just hasn't played and there's just so much unknown at
[8:34] Speaker 3: the importance of this position. Like at wide receiver the
[8:37] Speaker 3: Saints Jordan Tyson, it's like, Okay, we could mold this guy.
[8:40] Speaker 3: Wide receiver's different. A lot of guys can rep in
[8:42] Speaker 3: and out. You know, quarterback, it's just a risk. I
[8:45] Speaker 3: agree with what lesnie. Their history of drafting is pretty good.
[8:48] Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything question marks off the field,
[8:50] Speaker 3: like so you feel good about the person, but pretty
[8:54] Speaker 3: risk pretty risky, that's all, you know. For a team
[8:56] Speaker 3: that never drafts this high, hell that never has first
[8:58] Speaker 3: round picks.
[8:59] Speaker 2: You know what's interesting. I was going to say the
[9:03] Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys do very well with their first picks. To
[9:06] Speaker 2: get Caleb Downs with the eleventh pick, that's pretty damn good.
[9:11] Speaker 2: I mean, they have two big needs safety in corner
[9:15] Speaker 2: and Now you could argue they could get safety later.
[9:17] Speaker 2: It's a great safety draft, but to be able to
[9:20] Speaker 2: get the best safety and I mean everybody you talk to,
[9:22] Speaker 2: everybody I've talked to in Ohio State, Urban Meyer, Ryan
[9:25] Speaker 2: Day have all said the same thing. This guy had
[9:27] Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty tackles as a freshman at Alabama
[9:30] Speaker 2: under Nick Saban literally walked on. I mean, just think
[9:34] Speaker 2: about that. You go to Alabama. Nick doesn't want to
[9:36] Speaker 2: play freshman period, So I think he's pretty special. So
[9:41] Speaker 2: I thought, by Dallas, we can say all we want
[9:44] Speaker 2: about Dallas. But I said this the other day. I
[9:46] Speaker 2: don't think people realize how many high end B plus
[9:48] Speaker 2: players Dallas has. You know, Jake Ferguson's one of only
[9:52] Speaker 2: two tight ends that had like eighty catches and eight touchdowns.
[9:54] Speaker 2: They have two elite interior offensive linemen. They have two
[9:57] Speaker 2: great receivers Dak Prescombe. I mean, now they have Kenny Clark.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Think about what they did instead of Micah Parsons. Think
[10:05] Speaker 2: about what they've done in the last eight months. Quinn Williams, Rashaun, Gary,
[10:09] Speaker 2: Kenny Clark, Caleb Downs. That's you say what you want,
[10:14] Speaker 2: you know, you spend all that money on Micah Parsons.
[10:16] Speaker 2: Look at the four players they have added. This Dallas
[10:19] Speaker 2: defense are front now with Caleb Downs at center. That's
[10:22] Speaker 2: a big win to me for Dallas.
[10:24] Speaker 3: Well, I think Jerry takes a lot of shift because
[10:27] Speaker 3: of the personality, because of some of the crazy things
[10:30] Speaker 3: he said or says. There's no debating their drafts for
[10:33] Speaker 3: a long time now, especially in the first round, have
[10:36] Speaker 3: been unreal. And I get this guy doesn't play a
[10:38] Speaker 3: premium position, but I think if you polled every general
[10:41] Speaker 3: manager in the league, who are the best players in
[10:43] Speaker 3: this draft? Removed the quarterback just in terms of regardless
[10:47] Speaker 3: of position, I think Jeremiah Love and Caleb Downs would
[10:50] Speaker 3: have been a lot of people's one to two in
[10:52] Speaker 3: some order. Now. Obviously, depending on position, you get pushed
[10:55] Speaker 3: down for pass rushers, right, But this guy, you hear
[10:59] Speaker 3: Ryan Day talking about about him earlier today. He said,
[11:01] Speaker 3: I've never been around a guy that young that I
[11:03] Speaker 3: felt like this guy should probably be in the NFL. Now,
[11:05] Speaker 3: that was before he played a game when he transferred there.
[11:08] Speaker 3: And Saban was who plays in the defensive backfield for
[11:12] Speaker 3: Nick Saban its safety Because one thing is a corner
[11:15] Speaker 3: you can just be an athlete at safety, you're like
[11:16] Speaker 3: a coach on the field, and the defensive backfield is
[11:19] Speaker 3: Nick Saban's baby. I bet if we historically looked in
[11:22] Speaker 3: the twenty year run plus at Alabama, not many guys
[11:25] Speaker 3: cracked the field at eighteen years old. So yeah, I mean,
[11:28] Speaker 3: if you would have told anybody that the Cowboys ended
[11:31] Speaker 3: up with Caleb Downs, now they didn't have to move
[11:33] Speaker 3: up one spot. I wonder if there was some team Fink,
[11:36] Speaker 3: the Rams, if he would have kept falling, would have
[11:38] Speaker 3: been interested in him.
[11:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Seahawks and the Rams highly value safety.
[11:44] Speaker 2: I think Sean Payton, I know, highly value safety. A
[11:46] Speaker 2: lot of these coaches do. I will say Ruben Bain
[11:49] Speaker 2: fell to fifteen. Jason Klight, the GM of the Bucks,
[11:52] Speaker 2: took him at fifteen. So we said somebody was going
[11:54] Speaker 2: to fall in the first round. It ended up being Bain,
[11:57] Speaker 2: who many had going eight, nine or ten measurable as
[12:00] Speaker 2: or problem kind of a bully on the field. I mean,
[12:03] Speaker 2: if you're this is what Jason Light has done for
[12:06] Speaker 2: years in Tampa gets value often on the defensive side.
[12:09] Speaker 2: What do you make a Baine dropping to fifteen?
[12:12] Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's a long time ago, but sometimes
[12:14] Speaker 3: guys can just play football. If you just walk by
[12:17] Speaker 3: Warren Sapp, you know he doesn't exactly look like Jalen Carter,
[12:20] Speaker 3: you know, a Reggie White. And to me, if you
[12:22] Speaker 3: just watch Warren Sap play, obviously he's one of the
[12:24] Speaker 3: greatest players of all time.
[12:25] Speaker 2: I covered him in Tampa. Is a rookie. Yeah, do
[12:28] Speaker 2: you agree? If you walk by him, he doesn't look
[12:30] Speaker 2: like one of the greatest. Little a little shorter than
[12:33] Speaker 2: you'd like. And I remember about halfway through his rookie year.
[12:37] Speaker 2: He popped in year two, but halfway through his rookie year,
[12:40] Speaker 2: he just had an attitude that he was great and
[12:42] Speaker 2: he knew he was going to be great, had incredible confidence.
[12:45] Speaker 3: And some guys just have the natural field to dominate
[12:49] Speaker 3: at whatever position. To me, Ruben Bain, I've been watching
[12:52] Speaker 3: college football all my life. That guy just jumps off
[12:55] Speaker 3: the screen. And yeah, the arm length is definitely a
[12:58] Speaker 3: concerned but it shows you sometimes, you know, especially in
[13:02] Speaker 3: that in the teams, just be patient. You know, good
[13:07] Speaker 3: players fall in the teams because a lot of teams
[13:10] Speaker 3: higher up for some needs. We say a couple of
[13:12] Speaker 3: wide receivers get forced the Chiefs that desperately need a corner.
[13:16] Speaker 2: Guys drop now. People are going to bang on Kansas
[13:20] Speaker 2: City a little bit because they move up to six
[13:22] Speaker 2: to get man who are delayed. But in my take,
[13:25] Speaker 2: I said this all week, the two teams I thought
[13:27] Speaker 2: could move up were the Eagles because they have eight
[13:30] Speaker 2: draft picks and there's not eight guys in this draft
[13:32] Speaker 2: that can make the roster. And the Chiefs because the
[13:35] Speaker 2: Chiefs basically John after they got Kenneth Walker. They had
[13:38] Speaker 2: three needs this offseason that were like urgent now needs
[13:42] Speaker 2: running back, corner, and edge. Well, they got Kenneth Walker.
[13:45] Speaker 2: They solve that by moving up, they get the best corner.
[13:48] Speaker 2: They solve that. They have the entire remaining draft to
[13:52] Speaker 2: get an edge in a good edge draft. So like
[13:54] Speaker 2: I Kansas City, I thought they move may move up
[13:57] Speaker 2: for Bailey. But my take on Kansas City is j
[14:01] Speaker 2: they have the coach, the quarterback, and they have the
[14:03] Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, and they've got good athletes. They lack a
[14:06] Speaker 2: star power that maybe the Rams, the Eagles, the Seahawks
[14:10] Speaker 2: have at the top or Denver. Well, now they've added
[14:13] Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker and the best corner. To me, this. This
[14:18] Speaker 2: didn't surprise me, and it doesn't bother me. Does it
[14:21] Speaker 2: bother you?
[14:22] Speaker 3: No? Because this guy is a plug and play outside corner.
[14:26] Speaker 3: You know. I think one of their concerns they love
[14:28] Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie. He's everything you'd want in a guy and
[14:31] Speaker 3: a competitor. I mean they won big with him. They
[14:34] Speaker 3: viewed him more as an elite Nickel solid outside guy. Well,
[14:39] Speaker 3: I just looked Ashton genty was a six pick last year,
[14:42] Speaker 3: got four years, thirty five million dollars and a twenty
[14:45] Speaker 3: two million dollars signing bonus. The Rams gave McDuffie four years,
[14:49] Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty four million dollars and guaranteed one
[14:52] Speaker 3: hundred million dollars, So you go, well, to me, it
[14:55] Speaker 3: was just economics. Like Andy Reid did not think poorly
[15:00] Speaker 3: of McDuffie, but they looked at the money in how
[15:03] Speaker 3: much they would have to give him when they wanted
[15:06] Speaker 3: him to just primarily dominated Nickel, and they get this
[15:09] Speaker 3: corner for what six seven million dollars a year, So
[15:13] Speaker 3: they go, hey, even if this guy turns out to
[15:15] Speaker 3: be eighty ninety percent of McDuffie, so really really good player,
[15:19] Speaker 3: he's way cheaper. And this is unlike the Rams. The
[15:23] Speaker 3: chiefs Andy's thinking this year, next year, like they're living
[15:26] Speaker 3: in the moment. So right, and think about this Colin,
[15:29] Speaker 3: because when they picked him, the first thing I thought
[15:31] Speaker 3: of Justin Herbert bo Nix, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen Dragon.
[15:35] Speaker 3: Think of the quarterbacks you have to play in the AFC,
[15:38] Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. You know, if Fernando Mendouz is good, like
[15:42] Speaker 3: you're playing potentially the NFC teams feel a little more
[15:46] Speaker 3: well rounded the Rams Seattle. If the Niners are healthy,
[15:50] Speaker 3: the AFC is is. I mean you're talking Hall of
[15:52] Speaker 3: Fame Trevor Lawrence resurrected his career. If CJ. Stroud got
[15:56] Speaker 3: on the straight and narrow, Daniel Jones for the first
[15:58] Speaker 3: ten games looked like a pro bowler. I mean, the
[16:00] Speaker 3: AFC quarterback wise is loaded. So when you got fifty
[16:05] Speaker 3: million dollars quarterbacks, you're not asking them to hand the
[16:07] Speaker 3: ball off. They're chucking it around forty fifty times a game.
[16:09] Speaker 3: So specifically in their division against Herbert who last year
[16:14] Speaker 3: shocked a lot of people through they threw the ball
[16:16] Speaker 3: all the time. We know Sean Payton, what did they
[16:18] Speaker 3: just do they just added Waddle to go with someton
[16:22] Speaker 3: Look at Drew Brees' Google his numbers, like Jean Payton
[16:25] Speaker 3: likes call passes. So I think part of it is
[16:28] Speaker 3: we're already paying Chris Jones. We need Carl Loftis to
[16:32] Speaker 3: bounce back. We need a guy that we can just play.
[16:35] Speaker 3: Andy has go back to the Eagles like They've drafted
[16:38] Speaker 3: a lot of good corners over the years, so I
[16:40] Speaker 3: think him and Veach have a pretty good feel for LSU.
[16:44] Speaker 3: Google LSU's corners too. That's a pretty good place to
[16:47] Speaker 3: draft rohim.
[16:48] Speaker 2: So both New York teams had two first round picks.
[16:51] Speaker 2: The Giants get the best available player, Rvel Reese. Then
[16:54] Speaker 2: the Giants get Francis Malinoa. That was my take the
[16:59] Speaker 2: entire two weeks for the draft. Get the best player
[17:01] Speaker 2: available at five, then get somebody to protect or elevate
[17:06] Speaker 2: the quarterback. The Jets. Meanwhile, David Bailey's who I thought,
[17:10] Speaker 2: plug and play pass rusher their second pick sixteen. Kenyon Sadik,
[17:14] Speaker 2: the smaller than average tight end but really a versatile playmaker.
[17:19] Speaker 2: The next coach I think will probably be able to
[17:21] Speaker 2: use his skills. But my takeaway on both New York teams.
[17:26] Speaker 2: I thought they did well. They have the two worst
[17:27] Speaker 2: records in the NFL over the last decade, But I
[17:31] Speaker 2: don't see a bust with those four players, thoughts.
[17:35] Speaker 3: I think I listen, John Harbaugh's been around, I mean,
[17:40] Speaker 3: a couple of the greatest defensive players of all time,
[17:42] Speaker 3: and you had Suggs and Helodi, Like the guy knows
[17:44] Speaker 3: defensive lineman. He didn't draft Abdul Carter, who I think
[17:50] Speaker 3: is a better prospect now. He went three rees went five.
[17:54] Speaker 3: I do think you could have justified taking Sony Styles
[17:56] Speaker 3: there over Reaese just because you already have Brian Burns.
[18:00] Speaker 3: The Giants were pretty bad last year, he was not.
[18:02] Speaker 3: I mean, you watched the Giants play Burns coming off
[18:04] Speaker 3: the edge. I would imagine they trade Thibodeau. But I
[18:07] Speaker 3: wonder inside that draft room, like you get if Sonny
[18:11] Speaker 3: sal is the next Fred Warner and you already got
[18:13] Speaker 3: pass rushed because it's not a defensive tackle. To take
[18:16] Speaker 3: the offensive lineman's a no brainer. I would have taken
[18:18] Speaker 3: Sonny sALS their at five over the pass rusher. Obviously,
[18:22] Speaker 3: you always value the pass rusher more than the middle linebacker.
[18:24] Speaker 3: But you already got pass rushers, I mean elite like
[18:27] Speaker 3: Abduall Carter to me, could be a Micah Parsons type player.
[18:31] Speaker 3: Now part of that, remember last year is late, he's
[18:34] Speaker 3: got you know, maybe they were just question marks for John.
[18:37] Speaker 3: But I'm with you on the Jets. They just took
[18:40] Speaker 3: Kenyan Sadik. That's you get. Bailey, a plug and play
[18:43] Speaker 3: edge rusher, speed guys.
[18:45] Speaker 2: Play chess piece and Kenya that's a you know, listen,
[18:51] Speaker 2: I don't hold the Jets or the Giants in a
[18:53] Speaker 2: higher regard, but I do think the Giants are going
[18:56] Speaker 2: to be an eight nine win team. And I and
[18:59] Speaker 2: I really appreciate. You know, my wife kind of likes
[19:04] Speaker 2: the draft and all the dramatic stories, and I was saying,
[19:07] Speaker 2: I said, you know, these offensive tackles, it's never a
[19:13] Speaker 2: sexy pick. But it's interesting how often the really smart
[19:16] Speaker 2: people in the NFL. The Dallas Cowboys, to their credit,
[19:19] Speaker 2: have crushed on first round picks and they've taken centers
[19:23] Speaker 2: and guards and tackles and they don't miss. So yeah, the.
[19:28] Speaker 3: Two offensive tackles that went back to back, I mean,
[19:30] Speaker 3: are just going to play in the NFL for a
[19:31] Speaker 3: long time.
[19:32] Speaker 2: Yep.
[19:33] Speaker 3: Fano and the Miamigain. Those guys are just NFL players.
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[21:13] Speaker 2: When you go from cable to broadcast, your numbers should
[21:16] Speaker 2: go up exponentially because they're still twenty percent of the
[21:18] Speaker 2: country that doesn't have cable. Believe it or not, so
[21:23] Speaker 2: the minute you signed because for years and years you
[21:25] Speaker 2: got yes, you got the NBA on cable, and Mark
[21:28] Speaker 2: Cuban complained about that. It's like we people don't have cable.
[21:31] Speaker 2: So I think Adam Silver rightly so said we're gonna
[21:34] Speaker 2: go to a broadcast cable and streaming. He touched all
[21:37] Speaker 2: of them. That's the right play to me. I watched
[21:41] Speaker 2: all Amazon yesterday, so anyway, yes, to your point, yes
[21:46] Speaker 2: that I did see that release.
[21:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[21:49] Speaker 4: The first thing I thought when I saw that was like,
[21:50] Speaker 4: that's it's a numbers don't lie kind of thing where
[21:53] Speaker 4: you have to at least acknowledge that the model is
[21:56] Speaker 4: doing the job of getting the game into more households,
[22:01] Speaker 4: which has like there's been that has actually been twisted
[22:05] Speaker 4: in a different way where it's like, oh, it's such
[22:06] Speaker 4: a money grab that we're just making people sign up
[22:08] Speaker 4: for all these dreaming packages. And and there's no doubt
[22:12] Speaker 4: that it's more complicated to watch all of the games
[22:14] Speaker 4: that it used to be. And I think there's been
[22:15] Speaker 4: some valid criticism surrounding like, oh, going to a sports
[22:18] Speaker 4: bar to watch a game is a little more complicated
[22:20] Speaker 4: now when it's on Amazon Brian versus on fam cable.
[22:23] Speaker 4: But but it's the right move, Yeah, exactly, because there's
[22:26] Speaker 4: the trade off, and the trade off is getting it
[22:28] Speaker 4: into households, and that takes me to the second piece
[22:30] Speaker 4: of it, because when I saw that, I was like,
[22:32] Speaker 4: that's interesting because one of the things that Brian Windhor
[22:35] Speaker 4: said was the the kind of feather in the cap
[22:38] Speaker 4: of the NBA is the money they just have. They
[22:41] Speaker 4: just have so much money coming in that it's hard
[22:44] Speaker 4: to tell them they're doing anything wrong. And I would
[22:46] Speaker 4: actually argue that news release is a second feather in
[22:48] Speaker 4: that cap, like more money, more households, and I want
[22:53] Speaker 4: to give them a round of applause for that, while
[22:55] Speaker 4: also acknowledging that it doesn't matter if you're in more
[22:59] Speaker 4: house if you can't convert them right. It's like if
[23:02] Speaker 4: you're running a retail store. It's like you got door swings,
[23:04] Speaker 4: but you have to convert the door swings into customers, right.
[23:08] Speaker 4: And when I thought about that, I was like, Okay,
[23:10] Speaker 4: but if I'm in more households, but in the games
[23:13] Speaker 4: that people are watching, stars aren't playing and the intensity
[23:18] Speaker 4: isn't there, I still think those criticisms are valid. And
[23:22] Speaker 4: that's where like we used Kevin Durant as an example earlier,
[23:25] Speaker 4: I want to shine a light on him because you
[23:27] Speaker 4: could argue there were probably if he was playing for
[23:30] Speaker 4: other organizations, there would have been a half dozen to
[23:32] Speaker 4: a dozen games this year where his medical staff or
[23:35] Speaker 4: his front office would have been like, oh, you're feeling
[23:37] Speaker 4: a little discomfort there. Take the night off, like we're
[23:40] Speaker 4: playing Washington tonight. Take the night off, like a variety
[23:44] Speaker 4: of different situations where many of those stars would have
[23:47] Speaker 4: sat and Kevin Durant decided to play. And I do
[23:50] Speaker 4: think there's some validity to the fact that, like, you
[23:54] Speaker 4: have to understand that, beyond the money, beyond the strategy,
[23:58] Speaker 4: you're not going to convert a new generation of basketball
[24:01] Speaker 4: fans unless the actual product itself that's on the screen
[24:05] Speaker 4: is converting those people into fans.
[24:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's here, there's a The NBA is very complex,
[24:13] Speaker 2: and so let's just take the NFL out of it.
[24:17] Speaker 2: You know, it works everywhere. But I'll give you an example.
[24:20] Speaker 2: In my career radio, TV, podcasting, and I'm all over
[24:25] Speaker 2: social why I want to make myself available. Right, So,
[24:29] Speaker 2: the NBA made the right call. We want a streaming partner,
[24:32] Speaker 2: we want a broadcast partner and a cable partner. That's
[24:35] Speaker 2: the right move, and the paychecks are coming in. It's
[24:39] Speaker 2: also true there was a report that a international bank
[24:43] Speaker 2: said Nike stock is down, and one of the reasons
[24:46] Speaker 2: is people aren't buying NBA player shoes because they don't
[24:49] Speaker 2: like the players. Well that's a little unfair. It's not
[24:52] Speaker 2: that they don't necessarily nobody hates Jokich, but many of
[24:56] Speaker 2: the international players are not interested in selling shoes. Many
[25:01] Speaker 2: of them are giant physical specimens. Big guys Shock didn't
[25:05] Speaker 2: sell shoes. Steph Curry sells shoes. Cool guys Michael Jordan
[25:10] Speaker 2: sells shoes. Kobe Bryant sold shoes. So the international guys
[25:15] Speaker 2: Yannis she Goon, Yo Kid, Rudy Gobert not gonna sell shoes, okay,
[25:22] Speaker 2: And that's what Nike needs. So that sounds like nobody
[25:26] Speaker 2: likes the NBA. No, the sport has become more global
[25:30] Speaker 2: over ten years. And the truth is Luca's got a
[25:33] Speaker 2: little bit of swag, but most Internet, you know, he's
[25:36] Speaker 2: yelling at refs, he's kind of cocky, he's John with fans.
[25:39] Speaker 2: That's that's very much non international style. So I think
[25:43] Speaker 2: that report makes it sound like nobody likes the NBA. No,
[25:46] Speaker 2: it's the global essence of what the league is becoming
[25:48] Speaker 2: global guys. I mean, if if you went to an
[25:51] Speaker 2: Italian Soccer League and the fourth best player was an American.
[25:56] Speaker 2: He's not selling as many shoes as the three Italians,
[25:58] Speaker 2: you know. Sorry, that's the way the game war So stylistically,
[26:03] Speaker 2: we like our guys to be somewhere between six four
[26:06] Speaker 2: and six eight, and we like them to fly on
[26:08] Speaker 2: the ball and dunk. That's what we like from our
[26:10] Speaker 2: shoe salesman. Right. And also the ratings, they are a
[26:17] Speaker 2: little bit inflated because going cable to broadcast. But I
[26:21] Speaker 2: would say my issues with the NBA are have been
[26:27] Speaker 2: load management. The tanking, I think is very much this
[26:31] Speaker 2: year based on the quality of the draft. There's like
[26:33] Speaker 2: eight really good players. Eight teams are tanking, right, It's
[26:38] Speaker 2: not sixteen tankings. It's like seven to eight that really
[26:42] Speaker 2: want to get those best eight players, especially the top
[26:44] Speaker 2: two or three. So this has been the worst the
[26:47] Speaker 2: tanking has been. Oh shock, it's the best draft in
[26:49] Speaker 2: a decade. I think some of it is that, I mean,
[26:51] Speaker 2: Chicago's going to have two picks now, you know, somewhere five, six,
[26:56] Speaker 2: maybe and fifteen. They're not gonna They're gonna be a
[26:59] Speaker 2: different team next year. Utah is going to land a
[27:01] Speaker 2: great player. They're not going to tank next year. So
[27:03] Speaker 2: a lot of these tanking teams aren't tanking in a year.
[27:06] Speaker 2: By the way the Pacers get Halliburton back, they're going
[27:08] Speaker 2: to be much better. They're not going to be tanking.
[27:11] Speaker 2: So that I think the taking things a little overstated.
[27:15] Speaker 2: I do think load management is a real problem, and
[27:19] Speaker 2: I'm not sure how to solve it. You can't find
[27:21] Speaker 2: your way into guys wanting to play. That one is
[27:25] Speaker 2: It's almost like every sport has an issue they can't solve.
[27:27] Speaker 2: NFL guys get hurt. We can't play flag football. It's
[27:32] Speaker 2: big guys tackling other big guys. NBA, you know, the
[27:36] Speaker 2: game's faster, more soft tissue injuries. Guys are hurt. I
[27:39] Speaker 2: don't know how to solve it.
[27:40] Speaker 4: Yeah, I have. I have been all over the place
[27:43] Speaker 4: on this over the last couple of months because I
[27:45] Speaker 4: one hundred percent agree with you. Tanking is so circumstantial
[27:47] Speaker 4: to what the draft looks like, and quite frankly, how
[27:51] Speaker 4: can you possibly hope to stop anybody from doing it
[27:54] Speaker 4: when literally the two teams that are the best teams
[27:57] Speaker 4: in the West are Victor wimen Yama, Steph as Dear,
[28:01] Speaker 4: Dylan Harper, like tanking led teams like Oklhoma City, Like,
[28:05] Speaker 4: how can you argue with the results? Right? And so
[28:08] Speaker 4: that to me is.
[28:09] Speaker 2: In the league makes it very difficult with a new
[28:11] Speaker 2: CBA to trade. It was almost difficult because salaries have
[28:15] Speaker 2: to match. Now it's impossible. So if you tell, if
[28:18] Speaker 2: you tell teams owners don't want to tank. But if
[28:21] Speaker 2: you're like, well you can't do that, you can't do that,
[28:23] Speaker 2: and you can't acquire that. All right, we're gonna tank. Sorry,
[28:26] Speaker 2: you're not giving owners options.
[28:28] Speaker 4: It's the best way to make your team better. So
[28:31] Speaker 4: until that changes, it's that that's the incentive structure is
[28:34] Speaker 4: just set up in that way. The thing that I've
[28:36] Speaker 4: come around on and this is I know I'm hammering
[28:38] Speaker 4: on KD here, but I think it's the truth. I
[28:41] Speaker 4: don't think you can incentivize stars to play. I don't
[28:44] Speaker 4: think you can. And specifically referencing the load management piece,
[28:47] Speaker 4: because that article that Tom habersher article from a couple
[28:50] Speaker 4: of weeks ago that was talking about how the Stars
[28:52] Speaker 4: have only played thirty three percent of the time in
[28:54] Speaker 4: these these TV games. That is a huge problem. That
[28:58] Speaker 4: is like a gigantic problem.
[29:01] Speaker 2: Number one problem easily in the league.
[29:04] Speaker 4: That's it, very simply put. When the Stars play and
[29:06] Speaker 4: they play hard, we get Jokic's first Wemby Saturday Showdown.
[29:10] Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was the most entertaining two and
[29:12] Speaker 4: a half hours of regular season hoops that you'll see, Like,
[29:16] Speaker 4: we need more of that and less of the Oh
[29:19] Speaker 4: my gosh, Amazon Prime Showdown. It's it's Draymond Green versus
[29:23] Speaker 4: you know, some random dude from another team. Like that's
[29:26] Speaker 4: the problem, and so I don't think you can find
[29:29] Speaker 4: your way into it because there's just too much of
[29:31] Speaker 4: a strategic advantage, at least internally with these teams. They
[29:35] Speaker 4: think that it's helping them, which I would argue that's
[29:38] Speaker 4: not the case. Like Luca's hamstring injury. He had to
[29:42] Speaker 4: sit out a game because of a tech that he had,
[29:45] Speaker 4: He got suspended, He took three days off, played a game,
[29:49] Speaker 4: took another day off, so he played one game in
[29:51] Speaker 4: five days, then played the thunder and pulled his hammy.
[29:54] Speaker 4: You want to tell me load management is there is
[29:56] Speaker 4: the thing that caused him to do not have a
[29:58] Speaker 4: hamstring injury. Like injuries happen, They just happen. And so
[30:03] Speaker 4: this is where I come back to the Kevin Durant piece.
[30:05] Speaker 4: Somewhere along the way, the leadership of these teams, the
[30:10] Speaker 4: help the the medical staffs and the front offices, managed
[30:13] Speaker 4: to convince players take tonight off. It's in the best
[30:17] Speaker 4: interests of the team, and it's not in the best
[30:21] Speaker 4: interests of the league, and that's the problem. But the
[30:23] Speaker 4: money's coming in, so it's hard to argue with them.
[30:25] Speaker 4: But I would argue these are ten twenty year problems
[30:28] Speaker 4: as the as the next generation of hoop fans comes around. So, like,
[30:32] Speaker 4: I think it has to be cultural. I think there
[30:35] Speaker 4: needs to be more Kevin Durants out there that are like,
[30:38] Speaker 4: I'm playing tonight because it's not just about my paycheck
[30:41] Speaker 4: and the check that's coming from Amazon Prime to the league.
[30:44] Speaker 4: It's about the fact that I have an opportunity by
[30:47] Speaker 4: playing in this game to help build the next generation
[30:50] Speaker 4: of basketball fans and entrench the NBA in our culture
[30:54] Speaker 4: as something we actually care about from October to mid
[30:57] Speaker 4: April instead of just from mid April to mid June.
[31:00] Speaker 4: And so I don't think there's an incentive. I don't
[31:02] Speaker 4: think there's a rule. I don't think there's a fine.
[31:04] Speaker 4: I think you need more Kevin Durantz. I think you
[31:06] Speaker 4: need more dudes who their love of basketball and their
[31:09] Speaker 4: desire to invest in the long term health of the
[31:12] Speaker 4: league supersedes what is strategically appropriate for the team in
[31:16] Speaker 4: terms of this, like like your curial idea of load management,
[31:20] Speaker 4: which I don't think necessarily even works.
[31:24] Speaker 2: All right, Jason Timp watched the Jerry West doc. It's
[31:28] Speaker 2: it's ninety minutes, absolutely worth your time. Keep crushing, thanks, man.
[31:34] Speaker 2: I don't another thing that will never change, Like some
[31:38] Speaker 2: things don't change. Football players get hurt, Baseball pitchers, I mean,
[31:43] Speaker 2: Chicago Cubs, Houston Astros. You look up, You're like, oh,
[31:46] Speaker 2: we just lost three starters. I mean, there's like you
[31:48] Speaker 2: can't solve every problem. But the playing game was another illustration.
[31:55] Speaker 2: Totally flawed teams, fascinatingevision. Why the Charlotte game was a
[32:02] Speaker 2: ridiculous circus.
[32:03] Speaker 3: It was insane.
[32:06] Speaker 2: Urgency matters. That's why college basketball, even though the quality
[32:09] Speaker 2: is often really okay, you can't take your eyes off it.
[32:14] Speaker 2: One bad officiating call changes careers. I wish the first
[32:19] Speaker 2: round were three games. Darryl Mory wanted one that's not
[32:22] Speaker 2: gonna have. I wish it went three, five, five seven
[32:25] Speaker 2: or three five. You know. But the NBA, based on
[32:31] Speaker 2: nothing other attendance was up on revenue is gonna be fine.
[32:35] Speaker 2: It's always gonna have its critics. It tends to be
[32:38] Speaker 2: a little more political, it's got a little more attitude,
[32:44] Speaker 2: it's less corporate, and so I've just baked it in
[32:46] Speaker 2: in my life. It's always going to be the league
[32:49] Speaker 2: that gets pushed back.
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