# BEST OF Nick Wright - Joe Burrow In TROUBLE, Cowboys Big Mistake, Baker Is Underrated

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 28 Aug 2025, 54 min.

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Best of Nick Wright’s appearances on the Colin Cowherd Podcast, including why Cincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow is in TROUBLE, what Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders NEEDED to be told, why George Pickens was a MISTAKE for the Dallas Cowboys, where Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Baker Mayfield ranks among the most underrated NFL quarterbacks, and more. Timeline: 2:45 - Burrow in trouble 7:30 - Baseballs biggest stars in best markets 15:15 - Draymond Green knows his role 24:30 - Shedeur Sanders got bad advice 33:45 - Trading for George Pickens was a mistake 45:00 - Baker Mayfield is underrated 50:00 - Is Jordan Love actually good? 55:30 - Russell Wilson’s decline 1:02:00 - Kyle Shanahan always gets a pass (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: The volume.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? Sure, yeah, go ahead,
[0:11] Speaker 2: after this year, take this year out of it. This
[0:14] Speaker 2: group of quarterbacks, the Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar, that group,
[0:21] Speaker 2: they're all twenty eight to twenty nine. Let's say optimistically
[0:27] Speaker 2: they all have ten more good years. That's probably on
[0:31] Speaker 2: the high end, but let's give them a decade, ten
[0:34] Speaker 2: more seasons. The twenty twenty five season onward Man, at
[0:40] Speaker 2: least one of those guys is never making much less
[0:47] Speaker 2: winning a super Bowl. Like, moving forward, so I know
[0:50] Speaker 2: Joe's already made what because here's the way I was
[0:52] Speaker 2: thinking about it. I'm like, okay, because everyone's like, do
[0:54] Speaker 2: you think Josh will eventually get one? And intellectually I'm like, yes,
[0:58] Speaker 2: of course, he's the second best player in the league.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Of course he'll get one. But then I'm like, well,
[1:02] Speaker 2: wait a minute. Okay, So in the next ten years,
[1:06] Speaker 2: let's say Patrick slows down, he only makes four.
[1:10] Speaker 1: Of the Andy Reid retires.
[1:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's just say, let's say Patrick only makes
[1:16] Speaker 2: four of the next ten, so there's six. So that's
[1:20] Speaker 2: six for Lamar, Josh, Joe. I know you've got Justin
[1:26] Speaker 2: Herbert getting the one eventually. Bo nix CJ. Stroud and
[1:31] Speaker 2: we're talking about ten years, so it'll tell you a
[1:34] Speaker 2: couple more generations coming into the league like these guys.
[1:37] Speaker 2: All of these guys being in the AFC is devastating
[1:41] Speaker 2: for the resumes they're trying to build well.
[1:45] Speaker 1: And the one that's in trouble is Joe Burrow. The
[1:48] Speaker 1: Bengals had to sell naming rights to the stadium to
[1:52] Speaker 1: pay his contract. People don't understand this. The gentleman who
[1:56] Speaker 1: first of all, the Bengals don't have any money. They
[1:58] Speaker 1: don't have any money. It's just like the poorest ownership group.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Joe Burrow knows it. They had to sell naming rights
[2:03] Speaker 1: to a stadium to pay him. They started peeling off
[2:06] Speaker 1: players even before they paid Jamar Chase. They're peeling off
[2:10] Speaker 1: of them now.
[2:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they're already peeling off players.
[2:15] Speaker 1: They are the opposite of the Eagles. They are anti
[2:20] Speaker 1: risk and reward. They take no risks. Tobin, the general manager,
[2:25] Speaker 1: has been there forever pleasant, very nice guy, got no power.
[2:29] Speaker 1: I mean, the Brown family runs the organization. They are
[2:32] Speaker 1: essentially a triple A operation in Major League Baseball that
[2:36] Speaker 1: happens to have Joe Burrow. People make fun of the Raiders.
[2:41] Speaker 1: The Raiders, because of some new ownership groups that have
[2:43] Speaker 1: come in, are flushed with cash. That's why they can
[2:46] Speaker 1: pay four coaches and three general managers. They got nothing
[2:48] Speaker 1: but money. They got Mark Davis has nothing but money
[2:51] Speaker 1: and the Raiders are a brand. And also it's Las Vegas.
[2:54] Speaker 1: It's a growing city. There's real money there, no state tax,
[2:57] Speaker 1: very attractive place. Cincinnati, they got no money. Burrow, They'll
[3:03] Speaker 1: never have a stacked roster. The only time to really
[3:07] Speaker 1: be great with him was when he was on the
[3:08] Speaker 1: rookie contract. When they pay Jamar Chase, they're out of money,
[3:11] Speaker 1: like Joe Burrow, I feel terrible for him. Joe Burrow
[3:14] Speaker 1: would need to be superhuman. I mean, this year he
[3:18] Speaker 1: was as good as he's ever been. They couldn't make
[3:21] Speaker 1: the playoffs. Layers. Herbert's gonna get better with Harbaugh.
[3:24] Speaker 2: Like that's going to only get better.
[3:26] Speaker 1: Right, That's what I'm saying, Like, you're just Herbert, and
[3:29] Speaker 1: I think Burrow is the one in trouble.
[3:31] Speaker 2: And here's the other. Here's the other concern for all
[3:35] Speaker 2: those guys. Will they may be different for Joe because
[3:40] Speaker 2: he's done it, But will those guys be able to
[3:48] Speaker 2: play Patrick Mahomes beat him, which is part of the hypothetical,
[3:53] Speaker 2: and then psychologically be able to recenter and be like,
[3:57] Speaker 2: that wasn't the super Bowl? Not like we like, that's
[4:01] Speaker 2: the thing that I would worry about for the Bills.
[4:05] Speaker 2: Not I do think Listen, Mahomes is not going to
[4:07] Speaker 2: go undefeated against Allen in his career. In the playoffs,
[4:10] Speaker 2: they will win. But man, if next year the Bills
[4:15] Speaker 2: finally beat the Chiefs in the playoffs, it's gonna be
[4:19] Speaker 2: really hard to psychologically then reset and be like, actually,
[4:25] Speaker 2: the next game is the tougher, bigger one, And so
[4:28] Speaker 2: that's the we have never I can't remember a time
[4:33] Speaker 2: when it felt this disproportionate in quarterbacking talent conference to
[4:39] Speaker 2: conference and what it's going to mean for these guys
[4:43] Speaker 2: kind of legacies when it comes to who they were
[4:46] Speaker 2: as far as winning players or winning championships.
[4:51] Speaker 1: You know, I love experimenting on podcasting. I like talking
[4:56] Speaker 1: about stuff where stuff is going and where it's.
[5:02] Speaker 2: What I.
[5:05] Speaker 1: What I find interesting about where sports is going. So
[5:10] Speaker 1: I have I think we both like this. So I
[5:19] Speaker 1: grew up a baseball fan, but the sport it's like
[5:23] Speaker 1: what Democrats name like Bill Maher will say the Democratic
[5:26] Speaker 1: Party is leaving me. I haven't changed. I was a
[5:29] Speaker 1: baseball guy over a football guy when I was a kid,
[5:31] Speaker 1: and then the sport just got slow and ponderous and
[5:35] Speaker 1: football was just better on television. And I've lived through
[5:37] Speaker 1: TV like that's my life as a kid. I'm going
[5:43] Speaker 1: to throw something at you that I think is going
[5:44] Speaker 1: to happen. Is that I think if you take out
[5:47] Speaker 1: the NFL, that every other sport is dependent on where
[5:54] Speaker 1: the best players play, and it does not help. For instance,
[5:58] Speaker 1: college football got to southern and two regional Alabama, Georgia, Clemson.
[6:03] Speaker 1: It hurt the sport. Michigan and Ohio State's emergence will
[6:07] Speaker 1: help the sport over time. It will bring a big group.
[6:11] Speaker 1: I'm a West Coast guy. I was a Big ten
[6:13] Speaker 1: Pac twelve guy because the Rose Bowl. So I'm more
[6:15] Speaker 1: of a Big ten guy than an SEC guy, although
[6:18] Speaker 1: I can acknowledge the SEC's great. I think we're going
[6:21] Speaker 1: to have a change here in the next five to
[6:22] Speaker 1: ten years in sports. And that is when the regional
[6:27] Speaker 1: sports networks went away and Fox let them go. They
[6:32] Speaker 1: were out of money an hour later, and those were
[6:36] Speaker 1: vital to Pittsburgh's, Cincinnati, Oakland, Kansas City, Seattle, they were vital.
[6:41] Speaker 1: Sure the sport now is basically in the hands of
[6:46] Speaker 1: the Dodgers Steve Cohen, And I mean, I'm not sure
[6:51] Speaker 1: the Yankees and the Steinbrenners can compete. Steinbrenners are saying
[6:55] Speaker 1: they can't. What you're seeing now in baseball is all
[7:00] Speaker 1: the riveting players play for the Dodgers, the Phillies, the
[7:05] Speaker 1: Mets or the Yankees. And I think we're gonna have
[7:08] Speaker 1: a renaissance in baseball is that with these regional networks gone.
[7:13] Speaker 1: There's not even the forget the fake appearance that there's parody.
[7:20] Speaker 1: There are like four kings at the top. Everything else
[7:23] Speaker 1: is upon nothing else. I mean, you think that's good
[7:26] Speaker 1: for the sport. No, No, what I think it's good
[7:29] Speaker 1: for is the primary weakness of baseball. It's television ratings.
[7:34] Speaker 1: The attendance is fine, it's always dominated the summer. It
[7:37] Speaker 1: has died on television. Last year's National League playoffs, it
[7:42] Speaker 1: was like New York, La San Diego and eight of
[7:46] Speaker 1: the best thirteen players in the sport. And that we
[7:49] Speaker 1: always think parody matters, No, it doesn't. The truth of
[7:55] Speaker 1: The matter is if the Celtics, Chicago, Bulls, and the
[7:59] Speaker 1: Lakers were great right now, the NBA would be in
[8:02] Speaker 1: great shape. Oklahoma City is not good for the league.
[8:05] Speaker 1: There is this belief. This is where I always say
[8:08] Speaker 1: about Kansas City. Dynasties aren't bad. Great players on great
[8:12] Speaker 1: brands are not bad for the league. I think we're
[8:15] Speaker 1: gonna have a renaissance. I think the Dodgers, Steve Conan,
[8:18] Speaker 1: the Mets, the Yankees, and maybe one other team will
[8:21] Speaker 1: not be able to afford the best players. That that's
[8:24] Speaker 1: at Philadelphia, maybe Phillies because their attendants and their merchandising
[8:27] Speaker 1: is so strong. I don't know about their TV radio
[8:29] Speaker 1: deals locally. Is that I think baseball has something the
[8:34] Speaker 1: NBA doesn't. All they're fascinating players. I mean, if I
[8:37] Speaker 1: told you this, the six big TV products they have Otani, Judge,
[8:42] Speaker 1: Bryce Harper, Mookie Betts.
[8:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's all Manny Machado, ted titit.
[8:47] Speaker 1: They're all in the big They're all in these big, glossy,
[8:51] Speaker 1: favorable markets. There's my take is that we're going to
[8:53] Speaker 1: have a renaissance, that baseball is going to come storming back.
[8:56] Speaker 1: It did in the postseason.
[8:58] Speaker 2: So I think this year is the most important your
[9:02] Speaker 2: baseball's had in a very very long time because of
[9:05] Speaker 2: two things, and you kind of alluded to both of them.
[9:08] Speaker 2: One is the momentum of last postseason, which is absolutely tremendous,
[9:15] Speaker 2: and the other is the general angst an annoyance by
[9:20] Speaker 2: the average fan towards the NBA. Yeah, I think that
[9:25] Speaker 2: it is incumbent upon baseball two and I don't have
[9:29] Speaker 2: a listen. I haven't spent a lot of time thinking
[9:31] Speaker 2: about this, so I don't even know exactly what I
[9:33] Speaker 2: mean by this, but to seize this moment because I
[9:38] Speaker 2: agree with you. I mean, we did our show from
[9:41] Speaker 2: the World Series. Now that's because it was in New
[9:44] Speaker 2: York so it was easy to get to, but also
[9:46] Speaker 2: because we were all.
[9:47] Speaker 1: So into it. It was great.
[9:50] Speaker 2: It felt like such a cool event and it was.
[9:53] Speaker 2: It was so lively and active, and it made me
[9:57] Speaker 2: remember when you know, and when when I first started,
[10:02] Speaker 2: it was shortly after when you first started, was before
[10:04] Speaker 2: I even had a show. We were doing our shows
[10:08] Speaker 2: from the NBA Finals, even though they were not in LA.
[10:12] Speaker 2: It was Warriors Calves every year, and we traveled to
[10:18] Speaker 2: Cleveland to do our shows because it was such an
[10:22] Speaker 2: event that I think baseball. So I was talking to
[10:27] Speaker 2: a mutual friend of ours. I don't think you'll mind
[10:30] Speaker 2: me saying this, so I'll just yeah, I'll quote him
[10:33] Speaker 2: on it, our friend Maverick, and he said that the
[10:40] Speaker 2: media is moving towards an events model where things have
[10:47] Speaker 2: to feel like an event. And it's why even though
[10:53] Speaker 2: Mike Tyson's sixty years old and could barely get to
[10:56] Speaker 2: the ring, that was huge, it felt. And the NFL
[11:03] Speaker 2: every game feels like an event. You'll have the college
[11:07] Speaker 2: football playoff playoff is exactly UFC feels is an event.
[11:14] Speaker 2: And so that's really really hard for baseball. So you
[11:18] Speaker 2: know what, because there's so many games, so finding ways.
[11:23] Speaker 2: Maybe it is marketing their stars to fuck to pick
[11:27] Speaker 2: these benchmarks that are their events of the year, or
[11:33] Speaker 2: marketing matchups or games.
[11:34] Speaker 1: This is where Fox gets credit. They're the one that
[11:36] Speaker 1: came up with the London game, the game in the cornfield, so.
[11:39] Speaker 2: Well, yeah field a dreams game, one that felt big.
[11:43] Speaker 2: That's an event like something cool like that that makes
[11:47] Speaker 2: it stand out from the noise of everything else.
[11:53] Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, I know that was Fox. Fox management
[11:55] Speaker 1: came and said, you guys need more big events and
[11:57] Speaker 1: they work. By the way, I watched the London Games,
[11:59] Speaker 1: they were cool.
[12:01] Speaker 2: The Field of Dreams game is cool every year. It's
[12:04] Speaker 2: just awesome. It looks cool. It's great.
[12:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think Maverick Carter's right on that. I
[12:09] Speaker 1: think there's a lot of reasons for that, but I
[12:11] Speaker 1: think you have to, you know, like I it's easy
[12:16] Speaker 1: to root for the Dodgers or the Chiefs. Like I
[12:18] Speaker 1: have the Dodgers on throughout the summer in Los Angeles, everybody,
[12:21] Speaker 1: every other guy that comes to the bat is an
[12:23] Speaker 1: all Star. It's like an All Star game. I mean seriously,
[12:26] Speaker 1: you get down to like Taoscar Hernandez is batting fifth,
[12:28] Speaker 1: and you're like, Jesus, he just dominated the series in
[12:31] Speaker 1: the Bronx, like everybody's great. The whole damn team is great.
[12:34] Speaker 1: Like I mean, they've got Tommy Edmund batting eighth that
[12:36] Speaker 1: he was like the NLCS MVP. You're like, it's an
[12:40] Speaker 1: all star team. So and like the Chiefs, it's easy.
[12:44] Speaker 2: One of the greatest radio shows in America and it
[12:46] Speaker 2: has now been on You'll be more impressed by this
[12:49] Speaker 2: than anyone for twenty three years. Running in the same
[12:55] Speaker 2: market is a show called The Church of Lasla and
[12:59] Speaker 2: it's on It used to be on an alternative rock station.
[13:02] Speaker 2: It's now on a regular rock station. Doesn't matter, but
[13:06] Speaker 2: their frequency just changed. But it's been this dude, Laslow
[13:11] Speaker 2: and his buddy slim Fast. I was their sports guy
[13:15] Speaker 2: for years and Laslow, I'm gonna tell a real, you know,
[13:18] Speaker 2: quick tangent.
[13:19] Speaker 1: People like it.
[13:20] Speaker 2: Laslow is to me. He was one of my mentors
[13:23] Speaker 2: in radio and just also one of the coolest stories ever.
[13:26] Speaker 2: He was from Detroit, alcoholic drug addict, went to the Navy.
[13:34] Speaker 2: I think got kicked out of the Navy because of
[13:37] Speaker 2: those two things I just mentioned. I don't again, I
[13:39] Speaker 2: might get his story something wrong. Kind of was always
[13:42] Speaker 2: a mess, always did radio and then got sober. Started
[13:47] Speaker 2: this state and is like a wild liberal on the
[13:52] Speaker 2: radio in Kansas City, Missouri, where when he started his
[13:55] Speaker 2: show every single day he would start a show by saying,
[13:59] Speaker 2: it is been X amount of days since George W.
[14:02] Speaker 2: Bush declared mission accomplished in Iraq and then went on
[14:05] Speaker 2: and he has. He's on the air to this day
[14:08] Speaker 2: because he's so talented and they're so I think it's
[14:11] Speaker 2: the funniest show in America. So say all that. So
[14:16] Speaker 2: when I first started in radio, they were down the hall.
[14:20] Speaker 2: They had actually just come back from Seattle, where they
[14:23] Speaker 2: used to be simulcast in Seattle and Kansas City, and
[14:29] Speaker 2: Laslow said to me, He's like, listen man. And this
[14:32] Speaker 2: wasn't his original theory, but he was the first person
[14:34] Speaker 2: I had heard it from. I'm like twenty four. He's like,
[14:37] Speaker 2: you gotta know what type of horse you are for
[14:39] Speaker 2: this company? Like what do you mean? He's like, there's
[14:43] Speaker 2: three horses in radio. He's like, there's the money horse,
[14:46] Speaker 2: there's the show horse, and there's the workhorse. He's like,
[14:51] Speaker 2: and you're gonna screw up if you don't know which
[14:54] Speaker 2: horse you are, Like okay, He's like the money horse
[14:58] Speaker 2: is the guy who's always gonna have a job because
[15:01] Speaker 2: all the big clients love him. He's like the car
[15:04] Speaker 2: dealership's his buddy, and this guy and so he does
[15:08] Speaker 2: all the reads because they all love him. He's safe.
[15:12] Speaker 2: He's like, the show horse is the guy who they
[15:14] Speaker 2: want to be able to put on the billboard the
[15:16] Speaker 2: name we got. He's like, he's usually like someone who
[15:20] Speaker 2: does you know a former athlete or does local TV
[15:22] Speaker 2: and they feels like a celebrity. He's like, none of
[15:26] Speaker 2: the advertisers know who the hell you are and nobody
[15:30] Speaker 2: knows your name. He's like, that just leaves the workhorse.
[15:34] Speaker 2: He's like, and that's what it sounds like. You're gonna
[15:37] Speaker 2: keep your job because you're gonna work harder than everybody.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Do you need me to pick up that shift? I
[15:43] Speaker 2: can do this, I can do that. You're also gonna work,
[15:47] Speaker 2: You're gonna know everything, like that's your path, man, And
[15:52] Speaker 2: honest to god, it's one of the most important conversations
[15:54] Speaker 2: I've ever had in my career because I was like, Okay,
[15:57] Speaker 2: that's who I'm gonna be. And he was telling me this.
[15:59] Speaker 2: He's like, you think you're the show horse. You think
[16:03] Speaker 2: like you're a b He's like, but you're not. Maybe
[16:06] Speaker 2: one day you will be, but you're not. And that
[16:10] Speaker 2: I was going to say this because Draymond recognized early on,
[16:13] Speaker 2: I'm the workhorse. I've got to do the dirty work.
[16:15] Speaker 2: I got to do all this. But the more interesting
[16:18] Speaker 2: part of it is the should or thing, which is
[16:21] Speaker 2: Shador fell in the draft because he thought he was
[16:25] Speaker 2: a show horse and teams were looking at him as
[16:29] Speaker 2: are you a workhorse? And he thought, I'm Shoudoor Sanders,
[16:34] Speaker 2: I'm interviewing you. I've got all these people competing for
[16:37] Speaker 2: my services. And they looked at it as you're should
[16:41] Speaker 2: or Sanders. Are you gonna pick up this mistake we
[16:46] Speaker 2: put in the film Are you gonna know? The playbook?
[16:48] Speaker 2: Are you gonna do this? And if you don't know
[16:51] Speaker 2: the job you're applying for, how do you nail the interview?
[16:54] Speaker 2: And so I think that is like a really it's
[16:58] Speaker 2: a really something I've carried with me forever, like poignant
[17:02] Speaker 2: piece of advice, which is it doesn't so much matter
[17:06] Speaker 2: how you view yourself. It matters in an employment setting.
[17:11] Speaker 2: It matters how your employer or potential employer views you
[17:16] Speaker 2: and are you representing that? Are you you know? And
[17:20] Speaker 2: so that I think was Shador's biggest mistake is he
[17:24] Speaker 2: didn't know what job he was interviewing for, and he
[17:27] Speaker 2: didn't know who he was to these teams, well, and
[17:36] Speaker 2: I'll throw something at you.
[17:38] Speaker 1: I one of the things why we didn't get an
[17:42] Speaker 1: honest read, because clearly Pittsburgh never viewed him. They viewed
[17:46] Speaker 1: him as Kenny Pickett. Daniel Jeremiah said that when his
[17:50] Speaker 1: intel was that they viewed him is a little better
[17:53] Speaker 1: than Kenny Pickett as a prospect. Well, Kenny Pickett by
[17:56] Speaker 1: the two gms, two of the gms in the league
[17:58] Speaker 1: that I really respect, one of them with a couple
[18:00] Speaker 1: of trophies. Kenny Pickett is a top to middle of
[18:04] Speaker 1: the third quarterback and that's exactly what he is. He's
[18:07] Speaker 1: a backup and an occasional starter if somebody gets hurt,
[18:10] Speaker 1: which is his role potentially in Cleveland. I don't think
[18:12] Speaker 1: he'll be there long, but that's his current role. So
[18:17] Speaker 1: the reason that Shadur didn't get an honest evaluation is
[18:23] Speaker 1: because Dion Sanders knows so many people in the NFL,
[18:26] Speaker 1: and he's worked at many broadcast companies, and nobody wanted
[18:29] Speaker 1: to be honest. This is what I've always said about bullies,
[18:32] Speaker 1: and Dion is not a bully. The downside to being
[18:36] Speaker 1: forceful and intimidating it in a bully is you actually
[18:39] Speaker 1: get lied to by everybody in your life because nobody
[18:44] Speaker 1: wants confrontation. People don't like it, your wife doesn't, your
[18:47] Speaker 1: kids don't. So the big brash bully, the top sales guy,
[18:52] Speaker 1: the ego maniac, Bobby Knight in his prime never got
[18:57] Speaker 1: an honest opinion because he and intimidated people. So you're
[19:01] Speaker 1: much better having relationships where you ask questions, you don't
[19:06] Speaker 1: always have an opinion where people feel free to criticize you,
[19:11] Speaker 1: and that that will give you a more honest appraisal
[19:15] Speaker 1: of who you truly are and what you need to accomplish.
[19:20] Speaker 1: Bullies get lied to more than anybody. Although they think
[19:23] Speaker 1: they're always demanding and getting the truth, the exact opposite
[19:27] Speaker 1: is true. They have visions of they're deluded to a
[19:31] Speaker 1: degree because they're always being told yes, you're right and
[19:34] Speaker 1: absolutely and all. So the other group that never gets
[19:39] Speaker 1: an honest appraisal are superstars and celebrities. You know, nobody ever,
[19:46] Speaker 1: nobody ever told George Clooney in his prime, you're not
[19:51] Speaker 1: really it's not working for me on this because he
[19:54] Speaker 1: was so big you didn't want to piss him and
[19:56] Speaker 1: his you know, it's like Leonardo DiCaprio this prime. Don't
[20:01] Speaker 1: offend him, that won't go well. And so being a superstar,
[20:04] Speaker 1: Deon's like a superstar. I mean he's doing commercials with
[20:07] Speaker 1: Nick Saban and he's a five hundred coach of Colorado.
[20:10] Speaker 1: That's all you need to know, right So, so I
[20:14] Speaker 1: think that's what hurt should door is nobody just came
[20:18] Speaker 1: out and just said and and by the way, arch
[20:21] Speaker 1: Manning may get a little bit of this too, sure
[20:26] Speaker 1: is that people are nobody's gonna come out and say,
[20:29] Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, he couldn't beat out Quinn yours.
[20:32] Speaker 1: There's a reason.
[20:33] Speaker 2: So he's okay, that's well, that's a that's a I've
[20:37] Speaker 2: just assumed arch Manning is a guaranteed top five pick.
[20:41] Speaker 2: But I so but that. But I don't know as
[20:44] Speaker 2: monchbal college football as you and and I'm not even
[20:46] Speaker 2: saying that's what you're saying. Here's the other thing. The
[20:48] Speaker 2: stor thing revealed to me, and it's not that I
[20:53] Speaker 2: needed it revealed. I it was it shined a light
[20:59] Speaker 2: on we have traded as a sports public true insiders
[21:09] Speaker 2: for instant, transactional gratification. We have valued who is going
[21:19] Speaker 2: to have this thing that was going to be announced
[21:25] Speaker 2: by the team in ninety minutes. Anyway, First over, what
[21:32] Speaker 2: is actual informational journalism, which is somebody said this, and
[21:39] Speaker 2: again I wish I could quote him, but I can't.
[21:42] Speaker 2: Journalism is publishing or uncovering information that otherwise would not
[21:49] Speaker 2: get out there. That's what it is, Like I this
[21:54] Speaker 2: story would remain hidden or fact or whatever it is.
[21:59] Speaker 2: Don van Na did a lot of that, like Seth Wickersham.
[22:02] Speaker 2: We know that people who've done it in sports simply
[22:07] Speaker 2: being the first to say this player is signing with
[22:11] Speaker 2: this team when that player signing with that team was
[22:16] Speaker 2: going to become public knowledge. No matter what is a
[22:20] Speaker 2: different I'm not saying it's not journalism. It's a different thing,
[22:24] Speaker 2: but that is the thing that we in the general
[22:29] Speaker 2: public seemingly value because that is the thing that people
[22:33] Speaker 2: get paid for and get famous for as reporters. The
[22:36] Speaker 2: only way to these days do that job really well
[22:43] Speaker 2: is to have everyone like you, which is why in
[22:49] Speaker 2: modern sports journalism, every draft pick is great, every surgery
[22:56] Speaker 2: is ahead of schedule, every MRI was better than expected,
[23:03] Speaker 2: and everything is pop positive. Every single thing is positive.
[23:08] Speaker 2: And so no the fact that none of our insiders said,
[23:17] Speaker 2: I've talked to fifteen teams and twelve of them don't
[23:23] Speaker 2: have Shador in their top fifty, like nobody had this,
[23:29] Speaker 2: nobody had like it was. It went from is he
[23:33] Speaker 2: gonna be the first pick too. Okay, it'll be cam Ward,
[23:41] Speaker 2: but then you know Shador giants Browns to oh shit,
[23:45] Speaker 2: he might slide to the Saints. And then by draft
[23:49] Speaker 2: day it was wow, what does it mean for Aaron
[23:53] Speaker 2: Rodgers because Shador could maybe be there at twenty one
[23:58] Speaker 2: and they could draft him. Yeah, the entirety of the
[24:01] Speaker 2: NFL world nobody had. He'll be very fortunate if he
[24:09] Speaker 2: is taken with the Browns or Giant second pick. Not
[24:13] Speaker 2: one person. And by the way, I'm not I obviously
[24:16] Speaker 2: didn't have it. I'm an acting like I had it,
[24:17] Speaker 2: but I'm an insider. And so I found that really
[24:22] Speaker 2: telling that man, what information are we actually getting? Like
[24:29] Speaker 2: what is the real real and are the guys who
[24:34] Speaker 2: actually have the real information like, well, I know the
[24:40] Speaker 2: truth here, but it's not worth it because it'll piss
[24:43] Speaker 2: the wrong relationships, agents, teams, whatever off. And so I
[24:48] Speaker 2: also think that what is so stunning about this and
[24:51] Speaker 2: this last thing I'll say, because I know now we're
[24:53] Speaker 2: a month old on it, it is shocking that Dion
[24:56] Speaker 2: didn't have the information either, that nobody privately told Dion.
[25:01] Speaker 1: Hey, that's hey, that's the downside, like a bully of
[25:06] Speaker 1: being a bloved.
[25:07] Speaker 2: Nobody told Dion, hey, man, get the truth. Like, listen,
[25:11] Speaker 2: maybe they're all wrong, but the league has real questions
[25:15] Speaker 2: of whether are at your son's a starter? So you
[25:18] Speaker 2: got to tell him he's got to blow their socks
[25:22] Speaker 2: off in this because Dion is. Whatever anyone thinks of Dion,
[25:26] Speaker 2: he's obviously a loving, devoted father that's undeniable. And he
[25:33] Speaker 2: just he had didn't have the information, that's right.
[25:37] Speaker 1: Think about that. Think of how many friends he has
[25:40] Speaker 1: in the NFL, and not a single person. I'm telling you,
[25:43] Speaker 1: Arch Manning, be very careful. The Mannings are American football royalty,
[25:50] Speaker 1: will it now? I will say there's a little less.
[25:53] Speaker 1: They've got their own egos. But Dion's always been over
[25:56] Speaker 1: the top. He's been He's been almost at times a
[26:00] Speaker 1: wrestling heel like he loves to, you know. And the Mannings,
[26:04] Speaker 1: you know, with Arch, he's been backing up Quinn yours,
[26:06] Speaker 1: who he's clearly better than. And they never transferred they
[26:10] Speaker 1: I mean it was so they've handled it with grace,
[26:13] Speaker 1: and I think that's the Manning's brand. But I I
[26:16] Speaker 1: this this really does go back to bullies and superstars.
[26:20] Speaker 1: You'd think they'd get the inside info. They're lied to
[26:23] Speaker 1: more than everybody else. You know who you don't lie to, Uh,
[26:28] Speaker 1: your cranky neighbor who you don't love, but you're gonna
[26:31] Speaker 1: tell him don't mow the grass at six o'clock on
[26:34] Speaker 1: a Saturday. You're gonna give him a real, honest, cranky opinion.
[26:38] Speaker 1: The people that you don't have anything to lose, like,
[26:40] Speaker 1: like just people that you don't adore, you're always willing
[26:43] Speaker 1: to say, Bro, that's not gonna work. Don't do that. Yeah,
[26:47] Speaker 1: that's hard to say to a Manning or a Dion Samders.
[26:49] Speaker 1: It's hard.
[26:50] Speaker 2: That's really interesting. You know.
[26:53] Speaker 1: Finally you got to bless Dallas cowboy fans heart. They're
[26:58] Speaker 1: so excited for George Pickens. And I was in this
[27:00] Speaker 1: today when Kyle Shanahan said, I can't make Trey Lance work.
[27:05] Speaker 1: I made Matt shab a pro bowler, Rock Purty, I
[27:08] Speaker 1: got into a Super Bowl, Garoppolo, I got to a
[27:11] Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the
[27:14] Speaker 1: Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay.
[27:20] Speaker 1: When Warren Buffett says be careful with bitcoin, I'm careful
[27:25] Speaker 1: with bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver. Listen,
[27:31] Speaker 1: I can't make it work. Chase Claypool, ab Martavius Bryant.
[27:37] Speaker 1: I mean this goes on Yoni Johnson, if Mike Tomlin,
[27:43] Speaker 1: who is two things, great motivator and incredibly patient with
[27:48] Speaker 1: immature players. When Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm out doubt.
[27:54] Speaker 1: But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save.
[28:04] Speaker 1: He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Gaily,
[28:07] Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry.
[28:12] Speaker 1: Jerry is saving it. He's giving a job that's not available.
[28:17] Speaker 1: McCarthy couldn't get interviews, parcels and Jimmy Johnson didn't need him.
[28:21] Speaker 1: That wore Jimmy out. Dak Prescott fourth round, he loves hey,
[28:28] Speaker 1: Tony Romol undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in the first round.
[28:32] Speaker 1: They don't need Jerry. So when he goes and gets
[28:35] Speaker 1: George Pickens, who the reputation is out basically Tomlin, I'm out.
[28:41] Speaker 1: Jerry's like, I'm here, I'll make it work. I think
[28:47] Speaker 1: this is Jerry's wild catting oil days where he would
[28:51] Speaker 1: hunt for gems, and I think that is literally his
[28:55] Speaker 1: mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and play is
[29:01] Speaker 1: that he feels like Pickens He's he's the rest of
[29:05] Speaker 1: the league is out. I am in, and I don't
[29:10] Speaker 1: think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys are
[29:13] Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are currently.
[29:14] Speaker 2: And I think that George Pickens is one of the
[29:18] Speaker 2: more overrated players in the whole league. And the reason
[29:22] Speaker 2: I feel that way is because I think certain football
[29:26] Speaker 2: fans this is one of my this is one of
[29:29] Speaker 2: my favorite and kind of relatively newest take, which is
[29:35] Speaker 2: talent has become wildly overrated, and particularly particularly in the NFL. Obviously,
[29:46] Speaker 2: you need a requisite level of talent. That goes without saying, However,
[29:50] Speaker 2: this idea that talent is some cure all when this
[29:55] Speaker 2: guy has been a pain in the ass every step
[30:01] Speaker 2: of his football life. It is why he fell on
[30:03] Speaker 2: the draft. It is why you were hearing rumors about
[30:06] Speaker 2: him being available during his second year. During his third year,
[30:11] Speaker 2: he was traded here. It is the he It's you know,
[30:16] Speaker 2: when you are potentially trying to get a contract in
[30:20] Speaker 2: the offseason and your team is in the middle of
[30:23] Speaker 2: a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas
[30:28] Speaker 2: Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs ninety minutes before kickoff.
[30:33] Speaker 2: You show up three hours before your TV show, Colin,
[30:36] Speaker 2: you have two hundred and twenty of them a year.
[30:38] Speaker 2: He's got seventeen football games, and he like, you're just
[30:42] Speaker 2: not a serious person and you're not going to contribute
[30:45] Speaker 2: to winning the way your talent says you should. And
[30:51] Speaker 2: so there's that. There is also the fact that trading
[30:55] Speaker 2: a third round pick for a player with one year
[30:58] Speaker 2: left on his contract means you probably should give him
[31:04] Speaker 2: a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion,
[31:08] Speaker 2: than trading a third round pick for one year of
[31:12] Speaker 2: George Pickens than letting him be a free agent, is
[31:15] Speaker 2: giving that guy fifty million guarantee. So the Cowboys put
[31:20] Speaker 2: themselves in a position where it's no win. Do we
[31:24] Speaker 2: pay this guy early when he has never he's never
[31:29] Speaker 2: been the top ten in the NFL of anything. He's like,
[31:33] Speaker 2: his career numbers are pedestrian, he's never outpaced his production,
[31:40] Speaker 2: has never outpaced his targets, and he is.
[31:46] Speaker 1: Quarterback.
[31:47] Speaker 2: A million gets unnecessary, a million problems there, so you
[31:52] Speaker 2: can't pay him. But the other thing you shouldn't do
[31:55] Speaker 2: is a smart franchise is keep trading these mid round
[31:59] Speaker 2: picks for rentals. And so I two years ago, Colin
[32:05] Speaker 2: the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But two
[32:08] Speaker 2: years ago, when the Chiefs had nothing but drops everywhere
[32:12] Speaker 2: and the receivers couldn't do anything, Yeah, Pickens was available then,
[32:16] Speaker 2: and Wilds and Bruke couldn't believe me. I was like,
[32:18] Speaker 2: I don't want him. I was like, the Chiefs already
[32:22] Speaker 2: are on thin ice with Kadarius Tony, like they you know,
[32:25] Speaker 2: And they got They got. The Chiefs trade for Canarius Tony.
[32:29] Speaker 2: They gave up a fifth round pick. He had three
[32:32] Speaker 2: years left on his deal, and that's still Listen. He
[32:35] Speaker 2: had the amazing partner turn of the Super Bowl, but
[32:37] Speaker 2: he's still ultimately got can't get right. Guys can't get right,
[32:42] Speaker 2: and so I I'm not a Pickens guy. I also
[32:47] Speaker 2: think he's a somewhat overrated player. And I also think,
[32:51] Speaker 2: for if Mike Tomlin had a hard time keeping him
[32:56] Speaker 2: inside the lines. Brian Schottenheimer in his first year as
[33:00] Speaker 2: a head coach, how much of Brian Schottenheimer's time is
[33:03] Speaker 2: going to be about Micah's podcast and whatever the old
[33:06] Speaker 2: George Pickens did a lot of it is the.
[33:08] Speaker 1: Answer to that. Yeah, if a rehab centers like.
[33:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, we're done exactly right, it's insane.
[33:23] Speaker 1: I want to go to Baker Mayfield. I thought you
[33:25] Speaker 1: had an interesting Somebody once in the last year asked
[33:29] Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield about me and blah blah blah, and he said, well,
[33:31] Speaker 1: we're frenemies. And I think Baker knows I like him
[33:34] Speaker 1: and respect him, and he's always been nice to me.
[33:36] Speaker 1: He said nice things publicly. You had to take the
[33:38] Speaker 1: other day that he's actually he was over discussed when
[33:41] Speaker 1: he was in Cleveland. He's now under discussed. Yeah, And
[33:44] Speaker 1: it's it's funny because I think Baker's better than Dak.
[33:47] Speaker 1: He's better than Tua. He's better than Gino, He's better
[33:49] Speaker 1: than Aaron, He's better than Russell, He's better than Cousins.
[33:51] Speaker 1: I think he and Darnold are very similar that they
[33:54] Speaker 1: can be mistake prone, but they can plan it.
[33:56] Speaker 2: And there there were touchdowns last year.
[33:59] Speaker 1: He's been really good. Go ahead, Yeah, No, Baker is
[34:02] Speaker 1: a prime example. You see this a lot in the NBA,
[34:06] Speaker 1: where a guy comes in and you just needs the
[34:08] Speaker 1: mature aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally Maturity's not the issue.
[34:12] Speaker 1: It's you either have it or you don't. Baker was
[34:15] Speaker 1: the rare lot of testosterone, a lot of confidence, and
[34:19] Speaker 1: I felt like, can somebody turn the governor down just
[34:22] Speaker 1: a little? He was Johnny Manziel, but more likable and
[34:26] Speaker 1: with actual talent. He could really throw a football. But
[34:29] Speaker 1: I think Baker is the rare NFL player and quarterback.
[34:32] Speaker 1: You're like one of the talents. Inarguable, he's just got
[34:37] Speaker 1: to turn the governor down. Cleveland was not built for Baker.
[34:41] Speaker 1: You go to a great GM, a talented roster in Tampa,
[34:44] Speaker 1: which is, by the way, below the radar. It's in
[34:47] Speaker 1: the NFC South, which is a low profile division. Baker
[34:50] Speaker 1: now is absolutely underdiscussed. He is a really good NFL quarterback.
[34:55] Speaker 1: I don't think that's disputable.
[34:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten
[34:59] Speaker 2: and not include it. And then when you add to
[35:02] Speaker 2: the fact that he makes around sixty percent of what
[35:08] Speaker 2: the other guys in that top ten make, his value
[35:12] Speaker 2: is massive. He for a guy who dealt with injuries
[35:16] Speaker 2: during in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. His
[35:21] Speaker 2: teammates love him, and he now has back to back
[35:24] Speaker 2: years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win the
[35:30] Speaker 2: division again, forty touchdowns last year, and so yeah, I
[35:36] Speaker 2: think that there was because he was talked about so
[35:41] Speaker 2: much when he wasn't yet that good. I think people
[35:46] Speaker 2: got I don't know if numbs the right word, but
[35:48] Speaker 2: they were just kind of got over him. And now
[35:52] Speaker 2: that he is, I think really good people are just like, Okay, yeah,
[35:56] Speaker 2: that's Baker, Like he's a people I think boxed ten in.
[36:01] Speaker 2: He's a good story and that is true, but he's
[36:04] Speaker 2: more than that at this point. At this point, like
[36:09] Speaker 2: do I this is you know, a third rail for
[36:11] Speaker 2: some Do I think he's better than Brock Birdie? I
[36:15] Speaker 2: do what I rather like And so you said, Dak Prescott,
[36:20] Speaker 2: I think that's close. I think that there is. There
[36:24] Speaker 2: are a lot of quarterbacks that like I'll give you
[36:27] Speaker 2: a great example. Now, this guy's young and we'll see,
[36:30] Speaker 2: but he makes a lot of money. I think he's
[36:34] Speaker 2: pretty clearly better than Jordan Love. And I think that
[36:37] Speaker 2: Jordan Love is discussed like he is. You know what
[36:41] Speaker 2: I mean? This hasty, I have.
[36:43] Speaker 1: To it's interesting. So I was really not anti Jordan Love,
[36:47] Speaker 1: but I but I said, for two years there is
[36:50] Speaker 1: more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding him
[36:53] Speaker 1: for a reason. Then he came out and he was
[36:55] Speaker 1: kind of sensational and I really bought into him. And
[36:58] Speaker 1: then it's as if the league defensive coordinators got all
[37:01] Speaker 1: this footage and they found holes. And at the end
[37:05] Speaker 1: of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught on
[37:08] Speaker 1: to him. This is now. It would be a sophomore
[37:10] Speaker 1: slump for anybody else, but he was like in.
[37:12] Speaker 2: His fourth year year.
[37:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I want to see him. So now
[37:17] Speaker 1: it's like an NBA playoff series, like you get worked,
[37:20] Speaker 1: then you change things and that there's stages and coaching,
[37:25] Speaker 1: you know, adaptations.
[37:28] Speaker 2: Yep.
[37:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I've seen Jordan's shock the league. Now
[37:32] Speaker 1: I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want
[37:35] Speaker 1: to see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why
[37:38] Speaker 1: they drafted to me ag a receiver in the first round,
[37:40] Speaker 1: because they're like, listen, we he may need a little
[37:42] Speaker 1: more help than we think here. But I so, I'm
[37:46] Speaker 1: not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell
[37:49] Speaker 1: of a whip and he's a really good athlete, but
[37:51] Speaker 1: he's he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league,
[37:53] Speaker 1: Jordan Love, I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I
[37:57] Speaker 1: know who's good. I know who's pretty good. Jordan Love
[38:00] Speaker 1: is the last. I'm not really sure what he is
[38:03] Speaker 1: in the league.
[38:04] Speaker 2: To me, I'm gonna throw another guy that I'm not.
[38:07] Speaker 2: I think this guy's really good, but I'm gonna put
[38:10] Speaker 2: the not sure, and that's CJ. I think that I
[38:15] Speaker 2: think CJ's really good. It is there are some I
[38:21] Speaker 2: think it is hard in the modern NFL to be
[38:26] Speaker 2: really good if you hate running, you don't, you know
[38:31] Speaker 2: what I mean? And and now like I'm sure CJ,
[38:34] Speaker 2: especially because he's black quarterback, like was probably you know,
[38:39] Speaker 2: felt pressure like to prove to everyone like I'm I'm
[38:42] Speaker 2: not you know what I mean, I'm not a running
[38:44] Speaker 2: back with that also play in the position. I'm a
[38:47] Speaker 2: true prototypical pocket passer. The problem with that is that
[38:51] Speaker 2: position it's not extinct, but it is on the just
[38:56] Speaker 2: the Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Joe Burrows style is it's
[39:01] Speaker 2: just a hard way to make a living. And it
[39:04] Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have to be you know, one read
[39:08] Speaker 2: and then take off and run. But it's a nice
[39:10] Speaker 2: pitch to have particularly come the playoffs well. And I
[39:14] Speaker 2: thought CJ in the playoffs last year actually went to
[39:17] Speaker 2: it a little more and so that was a good sign.
[39:20] Speaker 2: But I just want to see a little more from him.
[39:23] Speaker 2: But yeah, I think in general, we usually know who
[39:26] Speaker 2: these guys are, and then there are guys who like
[39:31] Speaker 2: this is the thing that I would say about guys
[39:33] Speaker 2: like Donald or Gino. I don't think Darnald's a weird
[39:38] Speaker 2: one for you because you always saw this really good player.
[39:43] Speaker 2: But I think people that said like those guys were
[39:48] Speaker 2: not good potentially were correct, and then those guys, through
[39:54] Speaker 2: hard work and maturation and learning and getting older, got good,
[39:59] Speaker 2: like you know what I And so like the I
[40:01] Speaker 2: think that a guy like Gino, I think Gino was
[40:05] Speaker 2: probably rightfully you know, lower tier backup early and then
[40:12] Speaker 2: worked his ass off, got better, learned more and became
[40:16] Speaker 2: this player. But yeah, I think most of the quarterbacks
[40:21] Speaker 2: we know, we know about who they are. The one
[40:25] Speaker 2: I'll throw another one at you that to me is
[40:27] Speaker 2: the most confusing or most intriguing, and that's Herbert. Because Herbert,
[40:32] Speaker 2: it's there is no there is no question how talented
[40:36] Speaker 2: he is. But five years into your career. You need
[40:41] Speaker 2: more than just he throws an amazing ball. And there's
[40:45] Speaker 2: not a lot of quarterbacks who five years into their
[40:49] Speaker 2: career who ended up being amazing, who five years into
[40:53] Speaker 2: their career hadn't accomplished anything. And he's on that list.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he his first two coaches, though, Dean Spanos
[41:02] Speaker 1: until Harbaugh never paid money for a coach, so his
[41:04] Speaker 1: first two coaches were a miss. So I do think
[41:07] Speaker 1: he's a rare. Circumstantially, I think he's a rare. I
[41:12] Speaker 1: think the people in the league that I know all
[41:13] Speaker 1: love him. He was also the justin Herbert criticism is fair.
[41:17] Speaker 1: He was mechanical on film. People thought he was mechanical.
[41:21] Speaker 1: Tom Telesco, who drafted him, said, we thought he was mechanical.
[41:24] Speaker 1: Then I went and watched him in person and I
[41:25] Speaker 1: saw him play the best Iowa, best Wisconsin defense of
[41:29] Speaker 1: all time and went, oh, Okay, he's not that mechanical,
[41:32] Speaker 1: but he can be sort of a rhythm quarterback where
[41:36] Speaker 1: when he gets out of rhythm. You know, I've said
[41:39] Speaker 1: this about certain players are like the Pacers are a
[41:43] Speaker 1: rhythm offense. Halliburton leaves for four and a half minutes.
[41:46] Speaker 1: They can't get the rhythm back, like it's like, oh,
[41:48] Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. Like Herbert's a rhythm thrower, Like
[41:51] Speaker 1: he gets into a rhythm and if you bang him,
[41:54] Speaker 1: or he gets sacked or a receiver drops it, he
[41:57] Speaker 1: can get out of rhythm. A lot of quarterbacks, aren't,
[42:00] Speaker 1: They just they just pick it up, they go. So
[42:02] Speaker 1: I think the criticism of Herbert are fair. But he's six'
[42:05] Speaker 1: five a, four two biology.
[42:07] Speaker 2: Jobs he's super, smart he's super. Athletic he could run.
[42:11] Speaker 2: More he did a little more under, hardball like he in.
[42:14] Speaker 2: College he ran the hell out of the ball when
[42:16] Speaker 2: they needed. To here would be kind of a CONCERN i.
[42:21] Speaker 2: Have that is really just a kernel of a BELIEF
[42:26] Speaker 2: i have about, sports which is particularly for the most scrutinized.
[42:31] Speaker 2: Positions so best player on AN nba, team quarterback on
[42:36] Speaker 2: a football. Team the randomness of your first couple times
[42:45] Speaker 2: in a big spot casts the longest shadow a magical
[42:50] Speaker 2: over your. Career and So i'll use a basketball example
[42:55] Speaker 2: than a couple of football. Examples the fact That kobe
[43:01] Speaker 2: as a teenager basically was a, champion and That, Listen
[43:06] Speaker 2: kobe was unbelievable on the second two championships With. Shaq
[43:10] Speaker 2: but that first championship With, shaq he was a role
[43:13] Speaker 2: player and it was Peak shaquille. O'Neal but before he
[43:18] Speaker 2: can is old enough to, drink he's a. Champion no
[43:22] Speaker 2: one is ever going to be able to be, like
[43:24] Speaker 2: can he can you win a ring With Kobe? Bryant
[43:27] Speaker 2: and that gave, him in my, opinion the freedom to be,
[43:31] Speaker 2: Like i'll take every fucking into game. Shot no one
[43:34] Speaker 2: can ever say anything bad about, me, right and so
[43:37] Speaker 2: it had a real. IMPACT i do. THINK i Think
[43:41] Speaker 2: Tom brady is one of the greatest athletes of all
[43:45] Speaker 2: time and obviously has the greatest resume of any quarterback.
[43:49] Speaker 2: EVER i also wonder if they simply hadn't you, KNOW
[43:56] Speaker 2: i won't even do the the. Game if in that
[44:03] Speaker 2: First Super bowl Then Terry, miss yeah miss is the field,
[44:09] Speaker 2: goal or he makes one bad read or whatever it
[44:14] Speaker 2: is and they don't win, there then does he have
[44:18] Speaker 2: like the freedom to be him in those? Moments moving?
[44:23] Speaker 2: FORWARD i think THAT i THINK i think there is
[44:27] Speaker 2: a chance that we are talking About Russell wilson the
[44:30] Speaker 2: way we talk About Terry. Bradshaw if he doesn't throw
[44:34] Speaker 2: The Malcolm butler pick BECAUSE i think if they would
[44:36] Speaker 2: have won That Super bowl and he really, believed Like
[44:40] Speaker 2: i'm ordainous By god to do, this that it then
[44:43] Speaker 2: led to itself and.
[44:44] Speaker 1: Then go, ahead well, no, No and by losing That
[44:47] Speaker 1: Super bowl and throwing that, pick it eroded the chemistry
[44:51] Speaker 1: in the locker room and it was never the same
[44:52] Speaker 1: off one, play AND i.
[44:54] Speaker 2: Think it eroded for. Him this feeling of this is
[44:58] Speaker 2: meant to be the the flip side to those To
[45:02] Speaker 2: brady or To. Kobe example Is. Peyton So peyton early
[45:08] Speaker 2: in his career came up short in a couple of
[45:11] Speaker 2: big spots and then it just the weight got bigger and,
[45:16] Speaker 2: bigger and he got That moniker even though he's a
[45:19] Speaker 2: challenged any football Player i've ever. Seen so the REASON
[45:22] Speaker 2: i bring that up IS I i worry that For,
[45:30] Speaker 2: herbert he is going to walk into his next playoff
[45:34] Speaker 2: game with the weight of the world on his. Shoulders
[45:38] Speaker 2: he's gonna be Like i've been. HERE i basically played
[45:42] Speaker 2: two real and one de facto playoff. Game the de
[45:44] Speaker 2: facto was The week Eighteen Chargers. Raiders remember that were
[45:49] Speaker 2: like a. Tie you both go to the playoffs and
[45:52] Speaker 2: The raiders stealing at the end we blew a four
[45:56] Speaker 2: score lead to The, jags AND i threw four picks
[46:01] Speaker 2: in my other playoff, game and it just it is
[46:05] Speaker 2: so it's so fleeting what that you know what those can.
[46:13] Speaker 2: Be and so that is to, me, like, well a
[46:15] Speaker 2: real and Something i'm excited to see moving because you've
[46:21] Speaker 2: seen how it's worn On lamar and you see the
[46:23] Speaker 2: Freedom mahomes plays with moms like nobody can ever call
[46:26] Speaker 2: me anything but, clutch and he can play.
[46:29] Speaker 1: Like, that well it. Can lamar now is feeling the.
[46:32] Speaker 1: Pressure you can See lamar in playoff games as. TIGHT
[46:35] Speaker 1: i think eventually the failures of The chargers and The
[46:40] Speaker 1: spanos family to get the right coach got them to
[46:42] Speaker 1: pay fifteen million dollars a year For. Harbass so he
[46:44] Speaker 1: has his. Kingmaker AND i also think it Takes this
[46:48] Speaker 1: is something that people don't really understand. THIS i think
[46:53] Speaker 1: we tend, men at least In, america tend to worship other,
[46:56] Speaker 1: men and we we just forget That Michael jordan for
[47:02] Speaker 1: years didn't do shit Without pippen and at the end
[47:05] Speaker 1: it was pathetic In. Washington but it's six for six
[47:08] Speaker 1: and he's the greatest ever and he failed at, baseball
[47:10] Speaker 1: And michael Got Phil jackson And Scottie pippen and everything.
[47:13] Speaker 1: Changed he was just kind of a ballhog who couldn't
[47:17] Speaker 1: get Past, boston he couldn't get Past. Detroit it didn't
[47:21] Speaker 1: get along with a lot of teammates early In chicago Or, Layton.
[47:24] Speaker 1: Washington and even when he was with The, bulls he was.
[47:27] Speaker 1: Hard in the Documentary Tom cruise a great. Example So
[47:32] Speaker 1: Tom cruise goes into a high school play and a
[47:36] Speaker 1: year later he's in the, movies and not long after
[47:39] Speaker 1: that he's in a risky business and that really defines.
[47:42] Speaker 1: HIM i, mean Ray ban sales, exploded you, know from
[47:46] Speaker 1: the underwear scene in risky. Business So tom had absolute.
[47:49] Speaker 1: Talent but if you go back and look At Tom,
[47:53] Speaker 1: cruise who is as, driven willful and obsessed about movies as.
[47:58] Speaker 1: Anybody it was until his last five to six movies
[48:02] Speaker 1: where he finally came to terms With i'm just gonna
[48:05] Speaker 1: run a lot and do action movies and they all.
[48:07] Speaker 1: Hit and his last five to six movies have been massive.
[48:10] Speaker 1: Hits he Did rock Of, Ages Eyes Wide, Shut Vanilla,
[48:15] Speaker 1: sky who some people really, Like i've never seen. It
[48:18] Speaker 1: he had lots of. Missus Marlon brando had lots of,
[48:22] Speaker 1: misses so think how long it took for, finally finally
[48:27] Speaker 1: A Bradley cooper to find the right, director Or Tom
[48:31] Speaker 1: cruise to find the right. Vehicle he was always, talented
[48:36] Speaker 1: but Like, herbert he needs his. Hardball and that's WHAT
[48:40] Speaker 1: i think we tend to forget is That Michael jordan
[48:44] Speaker 1: Had Doug collins and Stan, olbrick but No Scottie. Pippt
[48:47] Speaker 1: he couldn't win a.
[48:48] Speaker 2: Playoff series, correct none of.
[48:51] Speaker 1: Them so you just you just need so much. Help
[48:55] Speaker 1: and that's you, know when anybody will ever ask, me
[48:58] Speaker 1: you know about, gosh how do you think you've done
[49:00] Speaker 1: it for thirty? Years and you have been doing this
[49:02] Speaker 1: AND i, Say i've had great. Help i've had really good.
[49:05] Speaker 1: Bosses i've had a couple, stinkers but overwhelming we've had
[49:09] Speaker 1: really good support and really good agents and really good.
[49:11] Speaker 1: BOSSES i would have been somewhat. Successful but the point
[49:14] Speaker 1: being is if you find a great stockbroker or, YOUTH
[49:17] Speaker 1: i Mean, obama he has, Somewhere he's got a kingmaker behind,
[49:21] Speaker 1: him you, know somebody behind him believed in, him and
[49:24] Speaker 1: we just forget that in sports and That mahomes would
[49:27] Speaker 1: have been, successful But Brett veach And Andy reider a big.
[49:31] Speaker 4: Part oh, yeah, well the, yeah and that it's also
[49:35] Speaker 4: one of the reasons THAT i find THE i find
[49:40] Speaker 4: it really fun but also frustrating at times when we.
[49:47] Speaker 2: Trying to parse individual credit for team sports. Success is
[49:54] Speaker 2: one of the most fun things about our. Business and
[49:57] Speaker 2: it's also why a guy WHEN i see, similarly but,
[50:01] Speaker 2: it's you, know one of the more POLARIZING i feel
[50:04] Speaker 2: quarterbacks is so interesting In party because there is it's
[50:09] Speaker 2: so much of all, right who is? It are? We you,
[50:14] Speaker 2: know LIKE i argue With wild's about. It wild's basically
[50:17] Speaker 2: his take is THAT i believe when The niners, Win shanahan,
[50:22] Speaker 2: won and when they, Lose party, Lost like is it
[50:25] Speaker 2: you know that The shanahan gets the credit and doesn't
[50:27] Speaker 2: get the. Blame and my my actual take is THAT
[50:34] Speaker 2: i think that there is there are a lot of
[50:38] Speaker 2: factors that have gone into why a quarterback who everyone
[50:44] Speaker 2: in the, league including The niners thought was not that,
[50:48] Speaker 2: good has had statistically one of the three or four
[50:53] Speaker 2: greatest starts to a career in the history of the.
[50:55] Speaker 2: SPORT i understand there are. MISSES i gets. IT i
[51:00] Speaker 2: Know brady went one ninety. NINE i understand all, that
[51:03] Speaker 2: BUT i when people with purty people will, say you
[51:08] Speaker 2: would feel differently if he were the number one, pick
[51:11] Speaker 2: and my answer is, yes of, course.
[51:12] Speaker 1: Of course he'd be a better.
[51:13] Speaker 2: Player, right that's the, right because that's that's. It you
[51:17] Speaker 2: wouldn't the. Draft it's not, random like if you were
[51:20] Speaker 2: the number one, pick he wouldn't be. Undersized he would
[51:23] Speaker 2: have a slightly stronger on that's. Right he, was, like
[51:26] Speaker 2: there's real things to.
[51:27] Speaker 1: It Tony romo was undrafted When Bill parcells found, Him
[51:31] Speaker 1: so the first four to five years Of Tony romo's
[51:33] Speaker 1: roster was. Great didn't pay him. Anything he was. Free
[51:36] Speaker 1: the minute they started Paying Tony, romo the offensive line
[51:39] Speaker 1: wasn't as, good And Tony romo couldn't win big, games
[51:42] Speaker 1: even Though Tony romo is a really GOOD b plus
[51:44] Speaker 1: a minus. Quarterback But Tony romo was. Free Kurt warner
[51:48] Speaker 1: early in his, career WHO i think is, great undervalued,
[51:50] Speaker 1: historically ye, know came into the.
[51:52] Speaker 2: League he was.
[51:52] Speaker 1: Free there's no question that Brock perty's lineup was stamped, well.
[51:57] Speaker 2: Stamp, well and, listen we don't we've done the party thing.
[52:00] Speaker 2: Before what is so frustrating me about the party thing
[52:02] Speaker 2: is and maybe this is why it's an ARGUMENT i
[52:05] Speaker 2: can't get over is and And i'm gonna make this,
[52:10] Speaker 2: point you, know till the end of my, career as
[52:13] Speaker 2: long as this is. Relevant four, years folks argued About Jimmy.
[52:20] Speaker 2: Garoppolo is he just a? Winner is he? Underrated you?
[52:25] Speaker 2: Know is you?
[52:26] Speaker 3: Know?
[52:27] Speaker 2: Was did he Make brady nervous because he was breathing
[52:29] Speaker 2: down his? Neck and then there were folks like. Me
[52:33] Speaker 2: he was, like, AH i actually think he's pretty, mediocre
[52:38] Speaker 2: and they'd be like, no that team was. Terrible and
[52:42] Speaker 2: then he got. There they went to AN nfc championship,
[52:44] Speaker 2: game they went to a Super, bowl AND i kept, saying,
[52:48] Speaker 2: YEAH i really think twenty five quarterbacks in the, league
[52:53] Speaker 2: if you gave them the defense The niners, had then
[52:57] Speaker 2: that head, coach those, weapons they would be incredibly. Successful
[53:03] Speaker 2: and it's, like, well that's a, hypothetical we'll never. Know
[53:06] Speaker 2: and then they literally replaced him with the last pick
[53:09] Speaker 2: of the draft had the exact same level of, success
[53:13] Speaker 2: and those same people instead of being like, shit maybe you're,
[53:16] Speaker 2: right they're like that new, guy he's fucking awesome, too
[53:20] Speaker 2: And i'm, like you gotta be kidding.
[53:22] Speaker 5: Me i'm, like they literally did. It they didn't replace
[53:26] Speaker 5: him with a first round. Pick they replaced him with
[53:28] Speaker 5: the last pick of the. Draft and guess what they.
[53:31] Speaker 5: Did they went to AN nfc championship game like they
[53:33] Speaker 5: did With. Jimmy they then went to a Super bowl
[53:35] Speaker 5: like they did With.
[53:36] Speaker 2: Jimmy they lost The Super bowl to literally the same
[53:39] Speaker 2: team in very similar. Fashion And you're, like turns out
[53:43] Speaker 2: they're both. Awesome and Then i'm, like, hey by the,
[53:45] Speaker 2: way How's garppolo look now that he's gone.
[53:48] Speaker 1: Playing they're, like, oh, well.
[53:49] Speaker 3: You, know.
[53:50] Speaker 2: INJURIES i. Guess i'm, like or maybe he's. Stuck LIKE
[53:53] Speaker 2: i Think perty's obviously better Than, Groppolo but Like groppolo
[53:56] Speaker 2: was a is a below average quarterback who looked quite.
[54:01] Speaker 2: GOOD i Think perty's an average quarterback who looks great
[54:05] Speaker 2: in the exact same. System and by the, Way Jimmy
[54:07] Speaker 2: grappolo never Had christian. McCaffrey AND i just feel myself
[54:11] Speaker 2: going crazy on. It and then they paid a fifty
[54:13] Speaker 2: three million, dollars so what DO i.
[54:15] Speaker 1: Know the volume

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