# Who Wins NFC North? Broncos Poised For Breakout? Pay Micah Parsons? LIV Tour

An episode of [The Colin Cowherd Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1551365571), 30 Jun 2025, 56 min.

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Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to talk all things NFL and LIV golf! They start by recapping John’s time filling in for JMac on The Herd and his take on the experience (3:30). They pivot to the NFL and debate whether Cowboys star pass rusher Micah Parsons should be paid top dollar (6:45) and who will win the NFC North (11:15). They discuss the 49ers recent lack of draft success and whether Kyle Shanahan has had too much say in personnel decisions (16:00) and whether Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel could end up on the hot seat if the Dolphins struggle this season (28:00). Colin argues that the success of Sean McVay inspired a wave of teams hiring young coaches trying to land the “next McVay” (34:00), and they point out that no warm weather or dome team has ever become a dynasty (39:30). They shout out Sean Payton for the incredible turnaround made by the Denver Broncos and argue that the Broncos could be poised to win the AFC West on the strength of their defense (40:30). Finally, they discuss the crazy finish in the LIV golf tournament in Dallas, what to make of Patrick Reed (54:45), the disappearance of Brooks Koepka (1:00:00) and Rory McIlroy’s comments indicating he’s getting a bit burnt out by life as a professional golfer (1:05:00). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #Herd #3andOut See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:37] Speaker 1: and so John Middlecoff came into the La studio and
[0:40] Speaker 1: joined me in the herd with flying colors. I know
[0:44] Speaker 1: he would, but it was funny John, because you know,
[0:49] Speaker 1: the Volume is my company and Fox has their company.
[0:52] Speaker 1: So I've tried. I've tried not to like cross palny,
[0:56] Speaker 1: you know, just just I don't want to bother them.
[0:59] Speaker 1: But Fox actually came to me and with albums said
[1:03] Speaker 1: I like middle cough, you want to use him? And
[1:06] Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I didn't. I didn't know he was eligible.
[1:09] Speaker 1: So he put you on and you were great. You
[1:13] Speaker 1: just I mean really it was even you're talking hoops.
[1:16] Speaker 1: Did you have any for the audience? Did you was
[1:21] Speaker 1: it what you expected, like you know when you come
[1:23] Speaker 1: to a new show. My only worry was, oh, John
[1:26] Speaker 1: will be a bit nervous, he won't know what to do.
[1:28] Speaker 1: But our staff's great. I couldn't believe how good you were.
[1:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I obviously anything you asked me to do,
[1:34] Speaker 2: my answer is going to be yes. You know, people
[1:37] Speaker 2: ask me if I'm nervous. It was one of those
[1:39] Speaker 2: situations where you know, sometimes in those situations you're like
[1:42] Speaker 2: gunning for a job or you're trying I'm not going
[1:45] Speaker 2: after j maax seat, so they I just went in
[1:48] Speaker 2: to help you in the situation. But also, you and
[1:52] Speaker 2: I do a podcast together a lot. I mean, I
[1:55] Speaker 2: don't know the exact number, but the number's got to
[1:58] Speaker 2: be over one hundred over the last three or four years.
[2:01] Speaker 2: So in terms of a chemistry of working with someone
[2:04] Speaker 2: I've watched and listened to you, I don't know for decades,
[2:07] Speaker 2: So it's kind of unique. You're not kind of going
[2:09] Speaker 2: in blind working with someone you don't know, even if
[2:12] Speaker 2: someone you know from far away. And when I got
[2:16] Speaker 2: out of scouting, I did a lot of local TV
[2:18] Speaker 2: work with it in CSN Bay area. I don't even
[2:21] Speaker 2: know if it's still around, but I mean they have
[2:23] Speaker 2: the giants and the warriors, So I mean, I've been
[2:26] Speaker 2: on television before in situations other than just going on
[2:29] Speaker 2: your show as a guest, So honestly, I wasn't that
[2:32] Speaker 2: nervous besides just not wanting to screw it up. And
[2:36] Speaker 2: luckily it's you know, it's once after the first day
[2:39] Speaker 2: you kind of get a little rhythm. But the lights
[2:42] Speaker 2: are bright and you're firing. I mean, it's you know,
[2:44] Speaker 2: I was telling someone the other day, a buddy of
[2:46] Speaker 2: mine in the NFL, Listen, you're not going to get
[2:49] Speaker 2: credit because no one sees the inside of your show,
[2:52] Speaker 2: but you're pre show meetings the ability to allow I mean,
[2:58] Speaker 2: there's ten plus people in their ages ranging i'm sure
[3:02] Speaker 2: from early thirties to fifties, beside yourself, and it is
[3:07] Speaker 2: everyone has a voice, People can say whatever they want,
[3:10] Speaker 2: people can chime in. It is I'd argue it's a
[3:15] Speaker 2: pretty unique experience in terms of it's not like you're
[3:17] Speaker 2: just this dictator at the front. Everyone's firing their opinions,
[3:21] Speaker 2: everyone's involved. It's everyone feels I'm sure like they have
[3:24] Speaker 2: a piece of you know, maybe on a given show
[3:27] Speaker 2: they're not as active, but over the course of months,
[3:29] Speaker 2: everyone's pretty active in your operations. It was a sight
[3:33] Speaker 2: to behold.
[3:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, No, we've got really good people. Scott Holmes, who
[3:37] Speaker 1: sits at the very back, so he's the furthest from me.
[3:40] Speaker 1: He's actually probably the funniest guy. Yeah, and it was
[3:44] Speaker 1: so funny he was. The first six months he was
[3:47] Speaker 1: back there, he'd fire away and I was like, who
[3:50] Speaker 1: is this guy in the back of the beard.
[3:51] Speaker 2: That dude is funny.
[3:53] Speaker 1: And he did some comedy riding and does some stand
[3:55] Speaker 1: up and so he and I screw around and writes
[3:58] Speaker 1: some essays on Sundays.
[4:00] Speaker 2: I found him.
[4:01] Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you're too good not to be
[4:03] Speaker 1: doing some writing. You really got a great sense of humor.
[4:07] Speaker 1: So we write essay once a week just for something
[4:10] Speaker 1: to do. But I'm glad you enjoyed it anyway, because
[4:13] Speaker 1: it's a really guys loved having you did a terrific job.
[4:16] Speaker 1: So I was saying this the other day. I think
[4:20] Speaker 1: what the Kansas City Chief started doing, and I think
[4:23] Speaker 1: the Rams have followed suit, is there's kind of a
[4:26] Speaker 1: trend that the Steelers are not doing this, which is listen,
[4:30] Speaker 1: we're going to draft our defense. We're going to stay young,
[4:33] Speaker 1: cheap and twitchy. Defensive players get hurt more than offensive players,
[4:37] Speaker 1: so you want a younger defense. We will pay for
[4:40] Speaker 1: Chris Jones, the Rams, I think will eventually pay for
[4:43] Speaker 1: Jared Verse. You want to have most of your money
[4:48] Speaker 1: on the offensive side, left tackle, quarterback weapon.
[4:54] Speaker 2: And that that.
[4:55] Speaker 1: Feels like what Kansas City started to do with Mahomes, Like,
[4:58] Speaker 1: we're going to pay for some stuff to help help
[5:00] Speaker 1: him offensive line, but we're going to keep our defense
[5:03] Speaker 1: super super young, you know, because offense is more choreographed,
[5:07] Speaker 1: it's more of an offensive league. You want to make
[5:09] Speaker 1: fewer mistakes. Now, the Rams defense was the least penalized
[5:13] Speaker 1: last year for its age, which just doesn't even make sense.
[5:16] Speaker 1: But anyway, I was this week. I talked about Michael
[5:20] Speaker 1: Parsons and I said I couldn't pay him top of
[5:23] Speaker 1: the market. I like him, but I don't think he
[5:26] Speaker 1: has the strength of Jared Verse, the consistency of Miles Garrett.
[5:30] Speaker 1: He doesn't play inside like Chris Jones. I don't think
[5:33] Speaker 1: he's as kind of intimidating or as consistent as Max Crosby.
[5:37] Speaker 1: I don't think he's as good as Trey Henderson. That's
[5:40] Speaker 1: my interpretation. How do you I think he's a splash
[5:43] Speaker 1: player and a really good one. How do you view
[5:47] Speaker 1: Michael Parson?
[5:47] Speaker 2: I think I think he's better than probably the way
[5:51] Speaker 2: you just described him. But I'm with you, like the
[5:53] Speaker 2: upper upper echelon of you know, a Miles Garrett or
[5:56] Speaker 2: whoever they are at their position, justin Jefferson or Trent Williams.
[6:00] Speaker 2: You know, given what you have to pay for a
[6:01] Speaker 2: pass rusher. You know, Bosa a couple of years ago
[6:04] Speaker 2: got one hundred and twenty five million dollars guaranteed, give
[6:06] Speaker 2: or takes. So what's Parson one hundred and fifty million dollars?
[6:09] Speaker 2: I mean, are we talking quarterback contract? But Jerry's already
[6:13] Speaker 2: down this road. I mean the chance to trade him
[6:15] Speaker 2: or move on would have been before the draft. And
[6:18] Speaker 2: we also know the way that Jerry does business is
[6:20] Speaker 2: like anyone thinking that Mike is gonna get paid during
[6:23] Speaker 2: the fourth of July holiday hasn't been falling the Cowboys.
[6:25] Speaker 2: This is gonna happen mid to late August, right before
[6:28] Speaker 2: the season, and it's gonna be absolutely top of the market.
[6:31] Speaker 2: And I've always theorized I don't know if Jerry has
[6:33] Speaker 2: this incredible investment. He never likes pulling out the cash
[6:36] Speaker 2: till the last second, but he does. I mean he's
[6:39] Speaker 2: done it very consistently now with Dak, with Ceedee Lamb.
[6:42] Speaker 2: He waits till the last second on his premium players.
[6:45] Speaker 2: They would have been way better off, clearly, Like we
[6:48] Speaker 2: have enough evidence now the market's only going up and
[6:50] Speaker 2: up and up, so they should have paid him after
[6:52] Speaker 2: last year. It would have been way cheaper. But they're
[6:54] Speaker 2: down this road. I'm with you if he's the cornerstone,
[6:58] Speaker 2: like you're Ray Lewis, you're Reggie White, you're Chris Jones.
[7:01] Speaker 2: Because the one thing Chris Jones at this point in
[7:03] Speaker 2: time in his career takes some plays off, but in
[7:05] Speaker 2: a big game, he can be the best player on
[7:06] Speaker 2: the field. Ye. No, Michael Parsons can. But you know,
[7:10] Speaker 2: against the run, is he an elite player? I would
[7:13] Speaker 2: say no, he's he's a special pass rusher. But when
[7:17] Speaker 2: does a pass rusher come into play when you're up
[7:19] Speaker 2: ten points? You know, this is this cowboy team going
[7:22] Speaker 2: to be leading a lot of people. You know, I
[7:24] Speaker 2: don't know, so I think, yeah, I mean I like him.
[7:28] Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely a high end player, but he
[7:32] Speaker 2: also plays a high end position that costs a premium.
[7:35] Speaker 2: In any time that a guy like him gets paid,
[7:38] Speaker 2: it's going to be an It's an astronomical amount of money.
[7:40] Speaker 2: Now it's essentially like what they paid two a couple
[7:43] Speaker 2: of years ago at quarterback. I mean, I would imagine
[7:45] Speaker 2: his number comes in one seventy five, they come in
[7:48] Speaker 2: at one twenty, and then they'll meet somewhere one forty
[7:50] Speaker 2: one fifty. So now the Cowboys, to me, it's the
[7:53] Speaker 2: way they built their team. They're all in on two players,
[7:56] Speaker 2: Michaeh Parsons and Ceedee Lamb. Ceedy is an excellent player,
[7:59] Speaker 2: Mike is damn good and a quarterback who's you know,
[8:01] Speaker 2: on his good days like eight and on his bad
[8:04] Speaker 2: days like sixteenth, and that's that's and the coach and
[8:06] Speaker 2: staff has a lot of question marks. So I don't know,
[8:09] Speaker 2: I go back and forth. I know everyone, and you're
[8:11] Speaker 2: down on the Cowboys rightfully. So usually that's the time,
[8:15] Speaker 2: like when a team actually is better than you think,
[8:18] Speaker 2: but you look at their division, they're the third best
[8:20] Speaker 2: team in their division. Schedule's pretty difficult. I mean, Dak,
[8:23] Speaker 2: I think we got to ask major question marks about
[8:25] Speaker 2: what he's going to look like now off another major,
[8:28] Speaker 2: major injury. You know, is he completely immobile? Yeah, I
[8:32] Speaker 2: mean they've invested a lot in the offensive line, so
[8:37] Speaker 2: they're gonna pay him, and then it's just gonna be
[8:39] Speaker 2: He's got to be, you know, a fifteen to eighteen
[8:41] Speaker 2: SAT guy to make you feel good about it moving forward.
[8:44] Speaker 1: So I was a little surprised, you like the Packers
[8:47] Speaker 1: doing the NFC North, And I'll kind of throw out
[8:50] Speaker 1: my belief system, which is, I think to win a
[8:52] Speaker 1: Super Bowl you have to have seven elite players generally
[8:56] Speaker 1: close to their prime or just out of it. And
[9:00] Speaker 1: you know, there are obviously exceptions, but if you go
[9:03] Speaker 1: look at the Patriots dynasty, it was like Edelman, Gronk,
[9:08] Speaker 1: you know, Tom Brady. They'd have Logan Mankins, there'd be
[9:12] Speaker 1: a pass rusher somewhere in one great corner, and they
[9:16] Speaker 1: always had like six or seven guys who were really
[9:18] Speaker 1: step up, big player guys. Now they I mean the
[9:21] Speaker 1: Ravens teams with Ray Lewis obviously had that. The Chiefs
[9:24] Speaker 1: have mostly had that, where they have Chris Jones one
[9:26] Speaker 1: elite corner. They almost always have a good safety. Now
[9:30] Speaker 1: they've got linebackers Travis Kelce, Patrick Mahomes again, Joe Tooney
[9:35] Speaker 1: for a couple of Super Bowls. But it's like at
[9:39] Speaker 1: least like five to six really high end players. So
[9:42] Speaker 1: I look at Detroit and I think Detroit Jamiir Gibbs,
[9:45] Speaker 1: Amoran sat Brown, Hutchison, Pennay Sewell. They did lose their center,
[9:50] Speaker 1: which I think is a real thing that hurts. He
[9:53] Speaker 1: was an elite center. But I see I see about
[9:57] Speaker 1: five guys with them who I I think they have
[10:01] Speaker 1: a young safety we like.
[10:02] Speaker 2: Right, who's that Detroit, Yeah, Brian Branch, the Alabama kast.
[10:07] Speaker 1: Bryan Bresch, Yeah, yeah, Brian Branch. I like Green Bay's
[10:13] Speaker 1: running back Josh Jacobs, jyr Alexander. I like two years ago.
[10:19] Speaker 1: The receiving corps I thought was incredibly promising at the
[10:22] Speaker 1: beginning of last year, But now they drafted a receiver
[10:26] Speaker 1: in the first round, signaling they don't trust it. Here's
[10:30] Speaker 1: my knock on Green Bay.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Do they have.
[10:32] Speaker 1: Six elite players, because that's kind of what wins the
[10:36] Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Philadelphia certainly just did.
[10:38] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think they're very beholden on and
[10:42] Speaker 2: you know, predicated on the quarterback playing really well, and
[10:45] Speaker 2: two years ago down the stretch he was a top
[10:47] Speaker 2: six to seven guy in the league. The way he
[10:48] Speaker 2: played last year obviously was really bumpy. So to me,
[10:51] Speaker 2: if he's a Pro Bowl guy, he definitely has a
[10:53] Speaker 2: physical characteristics. I think the question mark on him coming
[10:57] Speaker 2: into the season is very fair. I'm with you on Jacobs.
[10:59] Speaker 2: I think Clark uh is a excellent player. Xavier McKinney,
[11:03] Speaker 2: who they signed from the Giants, was excellent last year.
[11:06] Speaker 2: I think they're receiving unit. I'm with you. I mean
[11:10] Speaker 2: there were high hopes for a couple of those guys concussions, injuries.
[11:14] Speaker 2: You know, Watson couldn't catch. Now he's got a torn
[11:16] Speaker 2: acl I think the the tight end, Tucker pretty good. Uh,
[11:22] Speaker 2: the tight end, I mean they got good tight ends.
[11:25] Speaker 2: To me, they are I'm with you, Like, do they
[11:27] Speaker 2: have the Justin Jeffersons and the Micah Parsons and the
[11:30] Speaker 2: Fred Warners. I think you could push back on that,
[11:32] Speaker 2: and that's more than fair. Coaching staff's pretty damn good.
[11:35] Speaker 2: Like their talent is good, right that they won eleven
[11:38] Speaker 2: games last year and went one and five, so that
[11:40] Speaker 2: they are a good team. This is a team sport.
[11:42] Speaker 2: That's why I pushback always on the NBA. There's more
[11:44] Speaker 2: talent than ever. Well, it's not an individual sport. It's
[11:47] Speaker 2: team game. So it's like, are the teams that good?
[11:49] Speaker 2: And so I think the Packers are probably better as
[11:53] Speaker 2: a group than they are individually, because I'm with you.
[11:55] Speaker 2: If you just did like a draft from scratch in
[11:58] Speaker 2: the NFC North, their players might not go as high
[12:00] Speaker 2: as some of the other players, but you go. They've
[12:02] Speaker 2: been running circles around the Bears for years and there's
[12:06] Speaker 2: last year you would have gone into the year. Bears
[12:07] Speaker 2: have all these great players. So it is a team sport.
[12:10] Speaker 2: Their head coach is not just the head coach who's
[12:12] Speaker 2: proven to be good. He's the play caller, which is powerful.
[12:15] Speaker 2: And I think Jeff Haffley proved to be a pretty
[12:19] Speaker 2: damn good higher. I mean, their defense was vastly improved.
[12:21] Speaker 2: So I more like the reason when we did the
[12:24] Speaker 2: segment last week about picking them to win the division
[12:27] Speaker 2: is they won eleven games where the quarterback was banged up,
[12:29] Speaker 2: and they won one division game, and honestly, they kind
[12:32] Speaker 2: of got lucky to win that against the Bears. If
[12:33] Speaker 2: you Remember they could have got owned six, so it's
[12:36] Speaker 2: like that's not going to happen. I would say on
[12:39] Speaker 2: average they're gonna split let's say three and three. And
[12:42] Speaker 2: then their culture. I just think that I like their
[12:46] Speaker 2: coaching staff and I'm betting a little on the come
[12:50] Speaker 2: on the quarterback, which I could go the other way,
[12:53] Speaker 2: but I think they have a long history. Even if
[12:56] Speaker 2: they goes Montana young to Jeff Garcia. If this guy's
[12:59] Speaker 2: Jeff Garcia, Jeff gar see, it was banging out Pro Bowls.
[13:02] Speaker 2: Now he's got a while to prove he's even Jeff Garcia. Right,
[13:05] Speaker 2: He's gonna need a big season stay healthy. But he
[13:07] Speaker 2: got injured in that first game in Brazil, and I
[13:10] Speaker 2: just felt like that kind of derailed their whole deal.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think when you're a young quarterback and
[13:15] Speaker 1: you get hurt and you get out of a rhythm, yeah,
[13:18] Speaker 1: I don't think it's like a veteran quarterback who comes back.
[13:21] Speaker 1: I felt like Jordan Love never got into a rhythm
[13:23] Speaker 1: last year. He was gone, that he was back, then
[13:25] Speaker 1: he was inconsistent, Then he had a couple of great
[13:27] Speaker 1: game stretched then he struggled. We don't know if he
[13:29] Speaker 1: was one hundred percent healthy. So I just I do
[13:31] Speaker 1: think he's super talented. But you mentioned coaching. So there
[13:35] Speaker 1: was an article this week, I think it was maybe Thursday.
[13:37] Speaker 1: It was after you've done Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday shows. Sports
[13:41] Speaker 1: Illustrated dot Com said, you know, now that you've paid
[13:44] Speaker 1: Brock pretty a ton, you're coming off a losing season.
[13:47] Speaker 1: Let's say Christian McCaffrey gets hurt or Trent Williams and
[13:50] Speaker 1: they're seven and ten. They just I mean, let's face it,
[13:54] Speaker 1: McCaffrey is a he's the belcow.
[13:57] Speaker 2: He touches it.
[13:58] Speaker 1: They're really good. I think Kyle's excellent, and you can
[14:05] Speaker 1: get away with firing a great coach. I mean, Philadelphia
[14:08] Speaker 1: is a factory and they let go of Andy Reid.
[14:12] Speaker 1: But I do see something with San Francisco and I
[14:17] Speaker 1: worry about and I saw this the last six or
[14:20] Speaker 1: seven years or maybe more with New England, and I
[14:22] Speaker 1: talked about it a lot on the airs that Belichick
[14:24] Speaker 1: had too much say in the draft and they started
[14:27] Speaker 1: drafting very poorly.
[14:29] Speaker 2: I thought Pete.
[14:30] Speaker 1: Carroll had a stretch with John Snyder before the last year.
[14:34] Speaker 1: I think it was maybe the last two where he
[14:36] Speaker 1: had too much power Pete did. When Paul Allen died,
[14:39] Speaker 1: there was a void, there was a hole in the organization.
[14:42] Speaker 1: Snyder almost left, you remember to Detroit. He wanted the
[14:45] Speaker 1: power back. And then when he got it back, the
[14:47] Speaker 1: drafts were great again. And I thought they had the
[14:49] Speaker 1: best draft this year in the NFL. So Schnider and
[14:53] Speaker 1: so you see this. You've talked about this. The coach
[14:56] Speaker 1: makes the money. And if the coach starts whenning the
[14:58] Speaker 1: Super Bowls are getting to him, he's going to have
[15:00] Speaker 1: a say. I think Sean Payton this draft had real say.
[15:03] Speaker 1: I could tell either John Lynch misses a lot or
[15:09] Speaker 1: Shanahan has a little more impact than I'd be comfortable with.
[15:13] Speaker 1: I didn't love Pearsall as a pick. I thought they've
[15:16] Speaker 1: I think they've drafted too many receivers, the offensive line drafts,
[15:21] Speaker 1: picks have been weird. Jake Moody is a kicker third
[15:24] Speaker 1: round I didn't love. There's a lot of real misses.
[15:29] Speaker 1: Is that Shanahan usurping Lynch? He is the most respected,
[15:37] Speaker 1: kind of revered guy in the building. What do you
[15:39] Speaker 1: make of the Niners bad drafts?
[15:42] Speaker 2: Well, I think I told you this around the draft
[15:46] Speaker 2: time because I had a personnel guy tell me because
[15:48] Speaker 2: he was listening to podcast. He's like, the way we
[15:50] Speaker 2: describe it is coaches view drafts like a depth chart. Hey,
[15:55] Speaker 2: I'm missing a guard. We need to draft a guard high.
[15:58] Speaker 2: I don't have a starting guard front off this personnel
[16:00] Speaker 2: view it through the lens of over the course of
[16:03] Speaker 2: the next three or four years, how do we build
[16:05] Speaker 2: this team and see big picture. And I think this draft,
[16:08] Speaker 2: you know, for the most part, was pretty clear. Kyle.
[16:11] Speaker 2: They had some emptiness in the in their depth chart,
[16:14] Speaker 2: right because they let have their team go during free
[16:16] Speaker 2: agency and with the cuts. So when you make fifteen
[16:19] Speaker 2: to twenty million dollars and John Lynch, I think is
[16:22] Speaker 2: one of the highest paid, if not the highest paid GM,
[16:24] Speaker 2: but relative to coaches, he's out making as much. And
[16:26] Speaker 2: Kyle had in his contract the moment he got hired,
[16:28] Speaker 2: he has the final say. Same with Pete. I do
[16:31] Speaker 2: think Pete and John overtime work together. No different with
[16:34] Speaker 2: Kyle and John because they have a high level of respect.
[16:38] Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the coach, you know,
[16:40] Speaker 2: when he's in these predicaments like the Niners were in
[16:43] Speaker 2: this season because they had to kind of revamp the roster. Financially,
[16:46] Speaker 2: they had a lot of holes, and the first thing
[16:48] Speaker 2: you'd try to do with holes is plug them if
[16:50] Speaker 2: you're the coach. So I think this draft, there's gonna
[16:53] Speaker 2: be a lot of pressure on these last two drafts,
[16:55] Speaker 2: and I'm more bullish on the forty nine ers than
[16:57] Speaker 2: everyone else. To me, Kyle Shanahan is going nowhere for
[17:00] Speaker 2: the foreseeable future because the ownership just signed brock Perty
[17:03] Speaker 2: and brock Perty's tied to Kyle, so they're getting a
[17:05] Speaker 2: couple of year run. And obviously, if Kyle was let
[17:08] Speaker 2: go at the end of this year or the end
[17:09] Speaker 2: of next year, regardless how these next couple of years,
[17:11] Speaker 2: he would be hired immediately. He'd be the number one
[17:13] Speaker 2: candidate if he wanted to keep working and would be
[17:15] Speaker 2: hired by people would think about firing their coach right,
[17:18] Speaker 2: so that he's not worried about like he's in one
[17:21] Speaker 2: of these spots where unlike a day Ball or McDaniel
[17:24] Speaker 2: or some of these guys that might get fired, they're
[17:25] Speaker 2: not guaranteed to get another job. Of me, Kyle's guaranteed
[17:29] Speaker 2: right to get immediate and none other job. But I
[17:32] Speaker 2: do think, you know, this this season is big because
[17:37] Speaker 2: the expectations are lower. But everyone's like, look at the
[17:40] Speaker 2: schedule and and I know Edelman, you know the way
[17:42] Speaker 2: they talk about Belichick, you never and I understand it's
[17:45] Speaker 2: the NFL, but like, their schedule is a lot different
[17:48] Speaker 2: than playing the Ravens, the Bills and the Eagles. I mean,
[17:50] Speaker 2: they're playing a lot of the Titans in the Saints.
[17:52] Speaker 2: They have no excuse to not win. I think at
[17:55] Speaker 2: minimum nine games. And part of it is when you
[17:58] Speaker 2: pay a quarterback, you know, it's the Bucky Brooks, Tractors
[18:01] Speaker 2: and the Trailers. Regardless where perty is, if you're willing
[18:04] Speaker 2: to pay him, you should be very competitive with him
[18:06] Speaker 2: as your starting quarterback. I'm hard on Tua, but there
[18:09] Speaker 2: is no disputing when Tua plays sixteen seventeen games, the
[18:12] Speaker 2: Dolphins are just gonna be a competitive team. Right So now,
[18:16] Speaker 2: even as they've changed the construct of the roster, I think,
[18:20] Speaker 2: at minimum, anything other than nine wins if you're the
[18:23] Speaker 2: forty nine ers based on this schedule, based on you know,
[18:27] Speaker 2: investing in the quarterback would be viewed as a disaster.
[18:30] Speaker 2: And I expect because again it's a coaching league, and
[18:33] Speaker 2: I do think Kyle's pretty awesome and if he wasn't,
[18:36] Speaker 2: McVeigh a couple of years ago was really humbled by
[18:38] Speaker 2: the experience and came back. And obviously what they've done
[18:41] Speaker 2: the last couple of years speaks for himself. You know,
[18:43] Speaker 2: Coach Reid when he was fired, had a big chip
[18:45] Speaker 2: on his shoulder, came back. That had to be a
[18:47] Speaker 2: pretty humbling year for Kyle at six and eleven, with
[18:50] Speaker 2: all the money they were spending, the way they lost
[18:52] Speaker 2: those games. Now you bring in Robert Sally, your guy,
[18:56] Speaker 2: I think they're going to come with a fury. I
[18:58] Speaker 2: think they got a lot to prove. And I'm highering
[19:01] Speaker 2: Purty than you are, mainly just because of the offense.
[19:04] Speaker 2: But I'm with you. If McCaffrey gets injured, their record
[19:07] Speaker 2: with and without him speaks for itself. Though they have
[19:10] Speaker 2: been very very open about like he's good, he's in
[19:13] Speaker 2: great shape. You know, I know people have been going
[19:15] Speaker 2: to practice that he looks good. Last year was weird,
[19:18] Speaker 2: you know, the Achilles weren't working, and then he tears
[19:20] Speaker 2: his knee when he finally comes back. So if he
[19:23] Speaker 2: gives them I don't know ninety percent of the season,
[19:25] Speaker 2: I think they'd be in pretty he's a unique player.
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[19:36] Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson was more forceful and faster maybe, but he
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[21:39] Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, I think the East Coast version
[21:42] Speaker 1: of the Niners is Miami. McDaniels runs largely Kyle's offense
[21:47] Speaker 1: tua like Purdy when he has time to throw and
[21:51] Speaker 1: decent movement, fills a very accurate ball. It's not that
[21:54] Speaker 1: I dislike Perdy. I just I see him as kind
[21:57] Speaker 1: of a b guy with an a coach.
[21:59] Speaker 2: It's well. The one thing though, I pushed back though,
[22:01] Speaker 2: is you know, Kyle, for an offensive guy, is a
[22:04] Speaker 2: tough guy. His teams have been tough. I mean last
[22:06] Speaker 2: year they lost games. They are tough. They've gone into
[22:09] Speaker 2: Green Bay, they've gone on the road, they go toe
[22:11] Speaker 2: to toe with the Eagles, they own the Rams. Mike McDaniel,
[22:14] Speaker 2: to me, is not a tough guy Kyle. You know,
[22:18] Speaker 2: his dad, Mike Shanahan, was a tough guy. He's a
[22:20] Speaker 2: tough guy. Mike McDaniels is not Vic Fangil laughed at
[22:23] Speaker 2: him and left.
[22:25] Speaker 1: So that is my take. So you beat me to it,
[22:29] Speaker 1: but it's my point is that a lot of times
[22:32] Speaker 1: you can take somebody's system in the NFL, but it's
[22:37] Speaker 1: to the players, respect to you. I mean, there's there's
[22:40] Speaker 1: some of these guys. Bill Parcell's had it, Dan Campbell,
[22:43] Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel, there's an alpha. Just stand in front of
[22:47] Speaker 1: a bunch of badass dudes, deliver a message and they
[22:49] Speaker 1: buy it. And Mike McDaniel and you know why he's
[22:53] Speaker 1: popular with the media. He looks like a sports he's
[22:56] Speaker 1: kind of small and quirky and clever and funny and
[22:59] Speaker 1: and I'm I'm not disputing his brain power. But when
[23:03] Speaker 1: I watched Miami, and I do think they have the
[23:05] Speaker 1: system and a comparable quarterback. I think two is more talented,
[23:09] Speaker 1: but he and pretty kind of share you know, don't
[23:11] Speaker 1: have huge arms, move enough, accurate, smart guys. But Miami
[23:17] Speaker 1: to me, you know, we were talking coaches on the
[23:19] Speaker 1: hot seat. Miami has a history of moving off people.
[23:24] Speaker 1: And the two years before Mike McDaniel got there, they
[23:27] Speaker 1: won I think nineteen games two years first two years
[23:30] Speaker 1: with him, they won twenty is that. I think a
[23:33] Speaker 1: lot of what he's selling is the Niners without any physicality.
[23:38] Speaker 1: They're not a physical team. It is just it's it's
[23:42] Speaker 1: ice cream cake, you know what I mean, Like there's
[23:44] Speaker 1: just nothing to it. It's just wasted calories. I think
[23:47] Speaker 1: McDaniel's to me for all the money they've spent. I
[23:51] Speaker 1: think he's in trouble in Miami.
[23:52] Speaker 2: With a bad year. Do you know the irony is
[23:54] Speaker 2: the guy they fired Brian Flores because he was awful
[23:58] Speaker 2: with offense, was an unreal defensive guy, and the team
[24:01] Speaker 2: was tough, and then the defense now stinks and their
[24:04] Speaker 2: offensive innovation, I mean it's stalled a little bit. If
[24:08] Speaker 2: you could combine those two, you'd have a real good
[24:10] Speaker 2: head coach, right, that's right. One thing, you know, I
[24:14] Speaker 2: remember talking to Kyle Uschek and like him and Kittle,
[24:17] Speaker 2: those guys loved Mike McDaniel right in the room. How
[24:20] Speaker 2: smart he was, how good he was. He was like
[24:22] Speaker 2: a savant with the run game. But it's kind of
[24:25] Speaker 2: easy to be close with the players and impress them
[24:29] Speaker 2: when you're an assistant coach, because it's not you're not
[24:32] Speaker 2: in charge of finding them or ever getting mad at them.
[24:35] Speaker 2: In the sense like the head coach or the boss.
[24:37] Speaker 2: So you kind of play a unique role, right, You're
[24:39] Speaker 2: like middle management, not the CEO, laying off everyone. No
[24:42] Speaker 2: one blames you, and then you become the guy at
[24:44] Speaker 2: the front of the room. And what happened last year?
[24:47] Speaker 2: Players were showing up late, and you and I have
[24:49] Speaker 2: talked about this. It's obviously not the majority of the
[24:52] Speaker 2: team because they can't afford to show up late. It's
[24:54] Speaker 2: the rich guys. Well, why do you think they want
[24:55] Speaker 2: to trade Jalen Ramsey? You think Jalen Ramsey respects Mike McDaniel, clearly,
[24:59] Speaker 2: not by actions. If he's not showing up one time,
[25:01] Speaker 2: that's trusting that every human being's late every once in
[25:04] Speaker 2: a while. But if you're constantly doing it, and Mike
[25:06] Speaker 2: even like, listen, my fine system doesn't work, they don't listen.
[25:09] Speaker 2: I also think there's an element to I do wonder
[25:13] Speaker 2: you know, pat Riley runs a very very tight ship
[25:16] Speaker 2: with the basketball team. It's honestly, it's it's kind of
[25:19] Speaker 2: like a BELICHICKI and football operation. Then they've fallen off
[25:22] Speaker 2: a little bit because they've lost talent, But over the
[25:24] Speaker 2: course of twenty five years, they have been really, really successful.
[25:27] Speaker 2: I almost think you have to do that with the
[25:29] Speaker 2: football team to even have a chance with your disadvantages. One,
[25:32] Speaker 2: it's it's a unique city. These guys are all filthy
[25:35] Speaker 2: rich now in the NFL, there's a ton to do
[25:38] Speaker 2: when you factor in I mean, it's just gorgeous weather,
[25:41] Speaker 2: basically three sixty five. Oh it is.
[25:43] Speaker 1: I've had I've had people in the league say GM
[25:47] Speaker 1: for the Dolphins is hard. You have to you have
[25:50] Speaker 1: to draft maturity free agency. You can't go get the
[25:54] Speaker 1: flashy wide receiver with a big personality. It's like it
[25:58] Speaker 1: doesn't work there. There's nothing. It's hard to get into trouble.
[26:01] Speaker 1: In Buffalo, you can get into trouble at noon.
[26:03] Speaker 2: In Miami it's like you can be like, well what
[26:06] Speaker 2: about La. I think La is much more spread out,
[26:09] Speaker 2: a little more low key, not nearly as crazy. A
[26:12] Speaker 2: lot of places shut down way earlier. There is no
[26:15] Speaker 2: time limit in Los Angeles or in Miami, a lot
[26:19] Speaker 2: like New York City. But none of the guys are
[26:20] Speaker 2: living in the city that play for the Jets or Giants.
[26:23] Speaker 2: They all live in the suburbs. So it's like you're
[26:24] Speaker 2: living in the heart of Miami. I wonder if you
[26:27] Speaker 2: can win there. It's like one of those places, like
[26:30] Speaker 2: some of these colleges where it's like you could say
[26:32] Speaker 2: the same thing for the University of Miami nowadays, Like
[26:35] Speaker 2: it's you're at a pretty big disadvantage with the NIL
[26:38] Speaker 2: paying these guys millions, Like are you ever going to
[26:40] Speaker 2: compete to win national championships? I don't know. And I
[26:44] Speaker 2: listen Mike McDaniel, I think they're going to be terrible.
[26:47] Speaker 2: I mean, I think they got a chance to be really,
[26:49] Speaker 2: really bad. I mean that they are one two injury
[26:51] Speaker 2: away from losing every single game. Yeah, you can fire them,
[26:54] Speaker 2: but like, what's the owner going to do? Go after
[26:57] Speaker 2: like Kirby Smart because he's gonna want some sexy name.
[26:59] Speaker 2: I'm just I'm shorting that French. It's a little bit
[27:02] Speaker 2: of a sexier version of the Cleveland Browns. And unlike
[27:05] Speaker 2: like the Cleveland Browns, at least Stefanski and Andrew Berry,
[27:09] Speaker 2: they would get both get hired. Like those guys are
[27:11] Speaker 2: high end. I would hire as my head coach, definitely
[27:13] Speaker 2: as my GM. The Miami thing feels like a couple
[27:16] Speaker 2: guys a little over their head, and like, honestly, you
[27:18] Speaker 2: could put John Lynch and Kyle there. I do think
[27:21] Speaker 2: they would have an uphill battle because, like you said,
[27:23] Speaker 2: the guys you need to the guys you need to draft,
[27:25] Speaker 2: the guys you need to sign. It's just difficult. Yeah.
[27:28] Speaker 1: And I also think, and this is a little bit
[27:31] Speaker 1: of the Sean McVay influence. So Sean McVay is young,
[27:35] Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, everybody wants to hire the
[27:37] Speaker 1: next Sean McVay. And so, you know, like like Cliff
[27:41] Speaker 1: Kingsbury gets a job, and then Brandon Staley gets a job,
[27:46] Speaker 1: and then Mike McDaniels get a job. You know, these
[27:48] Speaker 1: younger guys can get jobs and they don't necessarily have
[27:51] Speaker 1: impressive track records, but McVeigh didn't, and it's a copycat league.
[27:57] Speaker 1: And then you find out how special mcveay is is
[28:00] Speaker 1: that it's almost like Russell Wilson got a lot of
[28:02] Speaker 1: smaller quarterbacks drafted. Well. Russell in his prime was about
[28:06] Speaker 1: as elusive as any quarterback up ever, not saying fast elusive.
[28:10] Speaker 1: He also threw a beautiful deep ball and had a
[28:13] Speaker 1: great run game in defense to support him, so he
[28:15] Speaker 1: didn't get in a lot of shootouts. It was like
[28:17] Speaker 1: make two or three big throws late, and Russell Wilson did.
[28:21] Speaker 1: So I think this is what happens in the NFL
[28:23] Speaker 1: and always have people copy and everybody.
[28:26] Speaker 2: Everybody knows.
[28:27] Speaker 1: It's moved to an offensive league, and you're just getting
[28:29] Speaker 1: a lot of like Brandon Staley. I don't think I've
[28:32] Speaker 1: ever seen anything like Brandon Staley. Like the media which
[28:36] Speaker 1: is pretty toothless in LA, it's pretty supportive for a
[28:39] Speaker 1: big market media. It's not a Boston or a Philly
[28:41] Speaker 1: where it's gnarly and angry, or New York or.
[28:45] Speaker 2: It's just big and loud.
[28:47] Speaker 1: So I think Mike McDaniels feels a little bit like
[28:49] Speaker 1: he was sort of in that Hey, that McVeigh wave.
[28:54] Speaker 1: I do think Zach Tator's decent, maybe not great, but
[28:59] Speaker 1: I think I think it's a wave, and I think
[29:00] Speaker 1: you see that. I mean, people think about this John.
[29:02] Speaker 1: There was a point in the NFL where people were
[29:04] Speaker 1: hiking the ball to a running back the Wildcat and
[29:08] Speaker 1: even New England tried it.
[29:09] Speaker 2: For a while.
[29:10] Speaker 1: It's like, guys, you can't hike the ball to a
[29:13] Speaker 1: running back. That's not a sustainable offense. So I think
[29:16] Speaker 1: I feel like some of these young guys. Brandon Staley,
[29:18] Speaker 1: for sure. I think they've been undressed a little bit,
[29:21] Speaker 1: like the league's like they're not ready.
[29:22] Speaker 2: I think Brandon Staley is a good example of someone
[29:26] Speaker 2: that almost was like trying to play the Ted Lasso
[29:29] Speaker 2: version like a character of a head coach. I mean,
[29:32] Speaker 2: he had been in the league for three or four
[29:33] Speaker 2: years before he got the job. It was a unique
[29:36] Speaker 2: situation in LA where it's twenty twenty. You know, they
[29:41] Speaker 2: have the one of the greatest players in the history
[29:43] Speaker 2: of the league in his prime. They have Jalen Ramsey,
[29:45] Speaker 2: they have a great defense, but it's not like he
[29:47] Speaker 2: had a long track record of running his own show.
[29:50] Speaker 2: And that's only half the team. And then, like you said,
[29:52] Speaker 2: I mean, I think when you become the head coach,
[29:54] Speaker 2: he was should never have been put in that situation
[29:57] Speaker 2: because to me, he's a little fraudulent in the way
[29:59] Speaker 2: he acts like he's not comfortable in his own skin,
[30:01] Speaker 2: so he tries to be a version of what a
[30:03] Speaker 2: head coach was gonna sound like. It's where I give
[30:05] Speaker 2: a lot of the Shanahan guy's credit. You know, they
[30:08] Speaker 2: spent a lot of years around Kyle and even around Mike,
[30:10] Speaker 2: like it was a pretty intense environment. They're all like
[30:12] Speaker 2: Matt Lafloor is very comfortable in his own skin. Kevin O'Connell,
[30:16] Speaker 2: who you know, not necessarily a Shanahan guy, but McVeigh
[30:19] Speaker 2: around the Grudens, but with Belichick, he's just a good
[30:22] Speaker 2: looking former quarterback, comfortable in his own skin. Obviously, mcveay
[30:25] Speaker 2: and Kyle are very and I think there's an element
[30:28] Speaker 2: you gotta be true, Like I think Mike McDaniel is
[30:30] Speaker 2: not putting on an act like that's he acted kind
[30:33] Speaker 2: of quirky and weird when he was with the Niners,
[30:35] Speaker 2: Like that's kind of who he is. I do think
[30:37] Speaker 2: that version is hard with players when you know, let's
[30:41] Speaker 2: face it, he looks a lot different than basically every
[30:44] Speaker 2: head coach. Uh and he's not a tough guy, so
[30:47] Speaker 2: you can't. To me, you can never fake toughness. It's
[30:50] Speaker 2: not like Sean McVay is some old school tough guy,
[30:53] Speaker 2: but in terms of his intensity, his attention to detail,
[30:56] Speaker 2: like that really resonates with guys you know, Dan Campbell,
[30:58] Speaker 2: the Tomlins, the Hardbuss It's easy for them to be
[31:00] Speaker 2: a tough guy because they are tough guys, right, So
[31:03] Speaker 2: you know, you either have to implement it in the
[31:05] Speaker 2: way you practice, in the intensity in which you practice,
[31:09] Speaker 2: or you have to do it with your personality. And
[31:10] Speaker 2: that's where I think Mike is kind of lost in
[31:13] Speaker 2: no man's life. And listen, is GM I mean their
[31:15] Speaker 2: roster is not great, not helping them. You have to
[31:17] Speaker 2: have the right type players of the line of scrimmage.
[31:19] Speaker 2: I mean, when your offensive line is not good, it's
[31:22] Speaker 2: it's hard to be kind of a tough football team.
[31:25] Speaker 2: And then listen, they got a little unlucky, you know,
[31:27] Speaker 2: the Tua concussion thing, because if Tua just played, I
[31:30] Speaker 2: think they would be much more functional. But they're never
[31:33] Speaker 2: gonna be good, Like, how can you prepare to play
[31:35] Speaker 2: in ten degree weather when it's ninety degrees, you know,
[31:38] Speaker 2: in December. It's absolutely it's literally impossible there unless you're
[31:42] Speaker 2: gonna fly whatever a week early and just go to
[31:45] Speaker 2: Baltimore on Tuesday and spend the week there, which these
[31:48] Speaker 2: teams clearly are a little uncomfortable doing because it throws
[31:51] Speaker 2: the rhythm of everyone off and it's a very disciplined,
[31:55] Speaker 2: you know profession where you like to keep people on
[31:57] Speaker 2: the same rhythm of the week.
[31:59] Speaker 1: Yet John We've never had a dome or a warm
[32:03] Speaker 1: weather dynasty in NFL history.
[32:05] Speaker 2: Then go back to it.
[32:06] Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers in the seventies, the New
[32:10] Speaker 1: England Patriots, Kansas City. San Francisco is not warm weather
[32:14] Speaker 1: as you well know.
[32:15] Speaker 2: Candlestick was not at all. I mean, how many former
[32:17] Speaker 2: Montana January games. Is it pouring rain or it looks
[32:22] Speaker 2: like fifty eight degrees it's not ninety degrees there.
[32:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, And Dallas, by the way, it has real winters.
[32:28] Speaker 1: So you know that Dallas is maybe the closest to
[32:32] Speaker 1: it because for most of the football season until maybe November,
[32:35] Speaker 1: it's not Chili. But we don't really have the Hogs,
[32:41] Speaker 1: the Ravens, we just you And I've said this before.
[32:45] Speaker 1: I think it's such a disadvantage. Think about it. We've
[32:47] Speaker 1: never had a dome or a really truly warm weather dynasty,
[32:54] Speaker 1: and so I think weather does play a factor. And
[32:57] Speaker 1: I mean even the way you draft quarterbacks when you
[32:59] Speaker 1: play a North Flaco big arm big Ben Bradshaw Brady,
[33:05] Speaker 1: I think throws as good at bad weather football as
[33:07] Speaker 1: I've ever seen. So Anyway, I think even Peyton Manning's
[33:11] Speaker 1: teams in the dome, Like you say to yourself, well, well,
[33:14] Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Indy. No, they were always good, but they
[33:18] Speaker 1: always felt like they were playing second fiddle. I do
[33:20] Speaker 1: think playing in a dome and playing in warm weather,
[33:22] Speaker 1: I don't think you can fake it. I just don't
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[33:35] Speaker 1: You know, I was, as we go through all this stuff,
[33:39] Speaker 1: I something popped in my head. The other day PFF
[33:42] Speaker 1: had Sean Payton as the second best coach in the league,
[33:44] Speaker 1: and I actually, and I'm not saying this because I
[33:47] Speaker 1: get along with Sean, we really hit it off. But
[33:50] Speaker 1: I'm also saying this, I don't think he's quite getting
[33:53] Speaker 1: enough credit for what he's done in Denver. And some
[33:55] Speaker 1: of that is Harbaugh soaks up so much of the
[33:59] Speaker 1: glare because such a character, and then there's the reigning
[34:02] Speaker 1: dynasty in the division, and now you got Pete Carolyn
[34:05] Speaker 1: chip Kelly. So Denver sort of gets lost from a
[34:08] Speaker 1: publicity standpoint. But John think about this, So he goes
[34:12] Speaker 1: into an organization and the culture's broken, the quarterback's a mess,
[34:17] Speaker 1: and there's impending new ownership. So he goes in the
[34:21] Speaker 1: first year, I think they are one game. They win
[34:24] Speaker 1: three more games. He makes Russ functional. He cleans up
[34:30] Speaker 1: the offensive line from like twenty first to like seventh.
[34:34] Speaker 1: It just got ranked second by the way PFF's grade
[34:37] Speaker 1: starting the season. It's now second. Last year with Herbert Mahomes,
[34:43] Speaker 1: Harbaugh Reid, he has a rookie quarterback. They end up
[34:48] Speaker 1: leading the league in sacks. It is now a bona
[34:51] Speaker 1: fide top offensive line with really one Courtland Sutton, one
[34:56] Speaker 1: dependable weapon. I just I looked at them last year
[35:01] Speaker 1: and I thought I thought they'd be good with bo Nicks.
[35:05] Speaker 1: I don't think we understand it. You start looking at
[35:09] Speaker 1: that division and in almost every other division with a
[35:13] Speaker 1: number two OH line, Sean Payton, a very capable young
[35:16] Speaker 1: quarterback leader in sacks, they get green Law and Hufunga.
[35:21] Speaker 1: I'm like, are we I think what he's done there?
[35:24] Speaker 1: Last year they make the playoffs with eighty nine million dollars.
[35:26] Speaker 1: I think it was in dead cap money. Are we
[35:28] Speaker 1: undervaluing because are the glare with everybody else? What he's
[35:31] Speaker 1: done in Denver.
[35:32] Speaker 2: I've watched a couple of his press conferences during OTAs.
[35:35] Speaker 2: He thinks his team's pretty good. He thinks his team's
[35:38] Speaker 2: pretty good because defensively, they got a chance to dominate.
[35:41] Speaker 2: And if you have a dominant defense with an offensive
[35:44] Speaker 2: coach who's proven, like, how are your floor is so high?
[35:48] Speaker 2: I mean, your floor is immediately like ten wins. And
[35:51] Speaker 2: someone sent me this DM recently. They said, you know,
[35:54] Speaker 2: everyone talks about Jayden and I understand why, but look
[35:58] Speaker 2: at pull up the stats for and jay I think
[36:01] Speaker 2: we talked about bow knicks like he threw eighteen touchdowns.
[36:03] Speaker 2: He threw twenty nine touchdowns. Now some of these are
[36:05] Speaker 2: scheme touchdowns, but his numbers, you know, you know, the
[36:09] Speaker 2: accuracy is something that I think he has to work
[36:12] Speaker 2: on now. The weapons they have the running back in
[36:14] Speaker 2: the draft. Uh, but I do think that, you know,
[36:18] Speaker 2: is he a guy under Sean Payton? If he just
[36:21] Speaker 2: becomes like Sean Payton's version, even if he's not Drew
[36:25] Speaker 2: Brees or whatever, But just like a Jared Goff, a
[36:27] Speaker 2: Brock Party, like a consistence artor for they're gonna be
[36:30] Speaker 2: really good for a while. And I know last week
[36:32] Speaker 2: you had the Chargers to they could be to win
[36:35] Speaker 2: the division. It's not I mean it's not inconceivable, right
[36:37] Speaker 2: because he's a he's a unique second year player. How
[36:39] Speaker 2: old is he? Twenty five years old? Like he's played
[36:41] Speaker 2: a lot of football.
[36:43] Speaker 1: And he I think unless you watch him, he didn't
[36:46] Speaker 1: move a lot at Oregon. Sean lets him move and
[36:50] Speaker 1: he can. I mean, he's an athlete that that dude
[36:53] Speaker 1: is ripped. When I went to the Oregon Utah game,
[36:56] Speaker 1: I saw him play the Huskies, but I was up,
[36:58] Speaker 1: so I bought really good seats for Oregon Utah. I
[37:01] Speaker 1: wanted to be behind Oregon's bench. And he's on the
[37:03] Speaker 1: sideline and he is cut and you just watch him
[37:08] Speaker 1: in these NFL games and I always kind of look
[37:10] Speaker 1: at it. When a quarterback runs, how's the outside linebacker?
[37:14] Speaker 1: How's the outside linebacker stack up?
[37:16] Speaker 2: He runs past him.
[37:17] Speaker 1: I mean he when he gets ahead of steam going,
[37:19] Speaker 1: he can move past guys. And I remember when Johnny
[37:22] Speaker 1: Manziel broke into the league. He went for a couple
[37:24] Speaker 1: of runs and the defensive end chased him down and
[37:26] Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, that's not gonna work. That's just not
[37:28] Speaker 1: gonna work. When that guy has chasing you down. But
[37:30] Speaker 1: I Sean is one of those no nonsense guys, and
[37:34] Speaker 1: he's a little gruff. And I remember when he said
[37:37] Speaker 1: something and Aaron Rodgers, you know, when he said something
[37:40] Speaker 1: about Nat Hackett. And again, I don't think the media
[37:43] Speaker 1: always gives Sean quite a fair shake because he's pretty
[37:47] Speaker 1: rough and pretty direct. But that hafunga pickup. Do you
[37:52] Speaker 1: know he's been banged up. He's an elite safety.
[37:56] Speaker 2: Well to me, I mean two years ago he zelp
[37:58] Speaker 2: ro in green Law. I mean a lot of question
[38:00] Speaker 2: marks with his with his health. But if you if
[38:03] Speaker 2: one of those two guys is a full time player,
[38:06] Speaker 2: let alone both of them, the violence of their defense
[38:08] Speaker 2: will be it'll be one of the, if not the
[38:11] Speaker 2: hardest hitting defense in the league. I mean they already
[38:13] Speaker 2: were right up there last year. And you know, we
[38:16] Speaker 2: talked a lot about this when it comes to quarterback,
[38:18] Speaker 2: especially young quarterbacks. Is the intangibles, the maturity, the focus,
[38:24] Speaker 2: the drive. You know bo Nick's and Jayden gets a
[38:27] Speaker 2: lot of credit for that, rightfully, so bo Nick should
[38:29] Speaker 2: be right there too in terms of, you know, the
[38:32] Speaker 2: way they spoke about him at Oregon, his maturity. Also
[38:35] Speaker 2: what He's been through a lot like Jayden like, and
[38:38] Speaker 2: I would say, unlike Jayden, it's easier to fail at
[38:40] Speaker 2: Arizona State. No one really cares. Team hasn't made good.
[38:43] Speaker 2: You struggle at Auburn when you're in his situation, like
[38:46] Speaker 2: that was a that was like an NFL, the way
[38:49] Speaker 2: they're covered, the amount of people that care, the spotlight
[38:53] Speaker 2: that was on him. Remember he was I think his
[38:55] Speaker 2: first start was against Justin Herbert. Remember that Oregon Aburn game,
[38:58] Speaker 2: A long long time throwing the corner.
[39:02] Speaker 1: He played a big throw as a freshman into the
[39:04] Speaker 1: corner of the end zone to win it.
[39:06] Speaker 2: And then his career just kind of unraveled as their
[39:08] Speaker 2: program did, and then he went to Oregon. You've seen
[39:10] Speaker 2: them in two stable environments, Oregon and Denver, and he's thrived.
[39:13] Speaker 2: So it's safe to say, like, yeah, pretty impressive guy.
[39:16] Speaker 2: I would bet on bow Nicks because Sean Payton U
[39:20] Speaker 2: clearly not going anywhere. I mean they are a twelve
[39:22] Speaker 2: thirteen win season away from Sean Payton then getting a
[39:25] Speaker 2: huge contract extension, right, he was given five years, ninety million.
[39:29] Speaker 2: That they have a good year and the trajectory of
[39:31] Speaker 2: this franchise and Listen, I would have assumed when Sean
[39:35] Speaker 2: got the job that General Patton the GM would have
[39:38] Speaker 2: been fired. And John it's saying, it feels like he's
[39:40] Speaker 2: worked pretty seamlessly. They worked together. Maybe Sean's realized I
[39:44] Speaker 2: got to pick my battles like, let's just get along,
[39:46] Speaker 2: And it feels like they got a pretty stable organism.
[39:49] Speaker 2: That's the thing with Pete Carroll and the Raiders, like
[39:52] Speaker 2: Jim Harbaughs kind of matured. Sean Payton's at a different
[39:55] Speaker 2: stage in his life obviously. You know, Andy's the most
[39:57] Speaker 2: human feature on this scene. It's a really really difficult
[40:00] Speaker 2: division with these guys like that have really figured it out,
[40:03] Speaker 2: that have cracked the code of personality. What it takes,
[40:06] Speaker 2: the energy that it takes, what they're looking they know
[40:08] Speaker 2: exactly what they're looking for. It's pretty scary.
[40:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I think actually Patton's a pretty
[40:16] Speaker 1: good GM. I thought I didn't think the problem was
[40:19] Speaker 1: I thought the problem was Hacket. Listen, it happens. I mean,
[40:24] Speaker 1: Bob Kraft is a good owner. He hired draw on
[40:27] Speaker 1: mail and he just wasn't ready for it. Like it happens.
[40:29] Speaker 1: It's hard to hire coaches. I mean they took a
[40:32] Speaker 1: huge swing on Sean mcvahy and Los Angeles. They wouldn't
[40:35] Speaker 1: let him out of the building. That was a but
[40:37] Speaker 1: you know, at one point Lane Kiffin was in the
[40:40] Speaker 1: NFL and was a pretty good coach. The dysfunction of
[40:44] Speaker 1: the Raiders ended that.
[40:45] Speaker 2: But they had to hack it right because they thought
[40:48] Speaker 2: Rogers was going to come, which I were done to
[40:50] Speaker 2: at the time. I mean that was yeah.
[40:52] Speaker 1: Listen, Josh McDaniels was a guest on my show and
[40:55] Speaker 1: we've kept in touch. He's a really, really sharp guy.
[40:58] Speaker 1: It just hasn't worked as head coach. He's a tremendous coordinator.
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[42:34] Speaker 1: tv dot com defind your cable channel. Okay, so I
[42:42] Speaker 1: watched three hours, two and a half hours of live
[42:45] Speaker 1: golf today. It was in Dallas tip of the cap.
[42:48] Speaker 1: It's not only the golfers but the fans who went
[42:50] Speaker 1: because it.
[42:51] Speaker 2: Looked really hot muggy.
[42:52] Speaker 1: I was checking, Yeah, it looked really really muggy. Now
[42:56] Speaker 1: that I spend a lot of time in Chicago, that's
[42:58] Speaker 1: my reality as well. So I got to ask you
[43:01] Speaker 1: watching this, where are you on? Patrick Reid? So Patrick
[43:07] Speaker 1: Reid is not in and listen, golf can be I mean,
[43:11] Speaker 1: you have a caddy, but golf is like one of
[43:14] Speaker 1: those sports like it can be like skiing, it can
[43:17] Speaker 1: be like swimming. You could be on Team USA, but
[43:20] Speaker 1: it's very individual and guys are creatures of habits. So
[43:24] Speaker 1: it's always felt in my life there's just a golfer
[43:27] Speaker 1: or two on the tour that's either irascible, he's a
[43:31] Speaker 1: little difficult, he's not one of the guys. And I
[43:35] Speaker 1: always think, like, like I get it. It's it's you know,
[43:38] Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup is one of the only times we
[43:40] Speaker 1: see golf and it's like it's a collective, but you're
[43:43] Speaker 1: you know, you have to pay for everything. You're on
[43:46] Speaker 1: your own. I mean every course is different, every other
[43:50] Speaker 1: team sport, you know, the football fields are the same dimensions.
[43:54] Speaker 1: I mean golf, you go to Augusta and you're literally
[43:57] Speaker 1: the putting you're putting on glass. I was just talking
[44:00] Speaker 1: to somebody golf with somebody, Robbie Hummel, the former Purdue
[44:04] Speaker 1: basketball player broadcasting, A great guy, and he was he
[44:09] Speaker 1: was talking about he went great and he's just great,
[44:14] Speaker 1: kat stories great. I mean, just funny, funny guy. He
[44:17] Speaker 1: was talking about Augusta. He's golf down there and he's like,
[44:21] Speaker 1: you can't even imagine how fast they are. It's just
[44:24] Speaker 1: because they don't have a lot of rough at Augusta,
[44:26] Speaker 1: so they kind of overcompensate, you know, with the greens.
[44:28] Speaker 1: Like that's that's the danger. But I've always kind of
[44:32] Speaker 1: felt like with golf, like it's okay, it's okay if
[44:36] Speaker 1: you're a little odd or a little gruff. Patrick Reid
[44:39] Speaker 1: played very very well this weekend. Where are you at
[44:43] Speaker 1: with him? How do you view him?
[44:44] Speaker 2: Well? I think you know all these other sports, let's
[44:47] Speaker 2: use basketball for example, over the years, they've had Dennis Rodman,
[44:50] Speaker 2: Draymond Green. You get these different personalities that add elements
[44:55] Speaker 2: to the villain nature versus the good guys. Football's had it. Yadamakan,
[44:59] Speaker 2: Sue just different players. Patrick Reed was always you know,
[45:02] Speaker 2: one of those people that I don't know how to
[45:04] Speaker 2: say rubbed the people the wrong way, but just pissed
[45:06] Speaker 2: people off. He's had some incidents over the course of
[45:09] Speaker 2: his career, but one of the greatest short games in
[45:12] Speaker 2: the history of the sport. I mean you put him
[45:14] Speaker 2: right up there with like Seve Ballisto's, you know, in
[45:16] Speaker 2: terms of just a wedge in his hand. He's a
[45:18] Speaker 2: guy that from Tiger Woods to since been on Lift
[45:21] Speaker 2: John Rahman, people will go pick his brain as good
[45:24] Speaker 2: of a short game that's ever played golf. And he's
[45:27] Speaker 2: i mean, guy's won the Masters. You know, this guy
[45:30] Speaker 2: is a major champion. He almost I mean he was
[45:33] Speaker 2: in the Mix Issue. I think he finished third. Uh yeah,
[45:36] Speaker 2: just's someone that as the game of golf, like you know,
[45:39] Speaker 2: part of golf get a lot of guys that, especially now,
[45:41] Speaker 2: is pretty cookie cutter. You're not bringing much to the table,
[45:44] Speaker 2: kind of boring. You do need some personalities and the
[45:47] Speaker 2: golf has always had some of that. You know, going
[45:48] Speaker 2: back to when I was a kid with John Daily
[45:50] Speaker 2: to you know, Patrick Reed brings that. There was an
[45:52] Speaker 2: incident I think today out there with a fan where
[45:54] Speaker 2: Patrick reed like stared him down after the guy was
[45:56] Speaker 2: given it to him. And you know, Patrick, you need
[45:59] Speaker 2: more Patrick reads to make this thing interesting. You know,
[46:02] Speaker 2: you need some You need some people. They're gonna throw
[46:04] Speaker 2: some curveballs every once in a while because, let's face
[46:06] Speaker 2: a golf, you know, it can be a little boring
[46:08] Speaker 2: in nature, you know. So this isn't exactly the National
[46:10] Speaker 2: Football League. So yeah, listen, he's when he's on, he
[46:14] Speaker 2: can play with anybody.
[46:16] Speaker 1: Well, he Patrick won a four way playoff his first
[46:20] Speaker 1: live golf win, had a chance to win on eight
[46:23] Speaker 1: team with a putt that was short. But but here's
[46:27] Speaker 1: my question. Would you put him on the Ryder Cup team?
[46:32] Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how close you've been following the
[46:34] Speaker 2: Ryder Cup, but we got issues collin America. We are
[46:39] Speaker 2: they look they look really good. I mean, their team
[46:42] Speaker 2: is just it's pretty stacked, and our team is kind
[46:45] Speaker 2: of falling off the map. And part of it is,
[46:47] Speaker 2: you know, Kegan Bradley. They tried to, you know, change
[46:51] Speaker 2: it up a little bit, go with the younger guy.
[46:52] Speaker 2: I think they would have liked to go with Tiger,
[46:54] Speaker 2: but you know, for whatever reason, I don't know, Tiger's
[46:57] Speaker 2: hanging out with Charlie. He just wasn't that interested. They
[47:00] Speaker 2: went with Keegan, who's now basically played himself onto the
[47:02] Speaker 2: team and beside a couple guys like I think you
[47:06] Speaker 2: could go with anybody. You know, Bryson d Chaebo is
[47:08] Speaker 2: going to be on the team. You know, Keepka I
[47:11] Speaker 2: think would have been a guy they would have liked
[47:12] Speaker 2: to pick. He Withdrew, I don't know if he's sick
[47:14] Speaker 2: or had an injury this week, hasn't played that well.
[47:17] Speaker 2: Patrick red now top five in a major, just one today.
[47:21] Speaker 2: To me, if he plays well at the Open Championship
[47:23] Speaker 2: here coming up, I think he's the type guy. We
[47:26] Speaker 2: just need more talent because right now our team relative
[47:29] Speaker 2: to their team, and this is in New York, so
[47:32] Speaker 2: that the atmosphere is going to be nuts. The vibe
[47:35] Speaker 2: are already huge. You know, Keegan Bradley is a Northeast guy.
[47:38] Speaker 2: He went to Saint John's. A lot of buzz come
[47:40] Speaker 2: into this. Now. Bryson, who wasn't on the team a
[47:42] Speaker 2: couple of years ago, is going to be. That's going
[47:44] Speaker 2: to add a huge element to the to the just
[47:46] Speaker 2: intensity of it. To me, Patrick Reid's a guy like
[47:49] Speaker 2: why not, he'd definitely be in the discussion. I'll promise
[47:52] Speaker 2: you that. So, yeah, he plays well here down the stretch.
[47:55] Speaker 2: I would imagine they're gonna have some conversations for sure.
[47:57] Speaker 1: What do you think happened to brooks Ka, who I
[48:00] Speaker 1: thought eighteen months ago was going to post sort of
[48:03] Speaker 1: the career that Dshambo. I mean, Deshambo really changed. Not
[48:07] Speaker 1: only is marketing and likability and relatability, he feels like
[48:12] Speaker 1: the better golfer. I would not have guessed that. I
[48:15] Speaker 1: thought he was a bit of a I thought he
[48:17] Speaker 1: was too over the top to Shambo, I thought it
[48:19] Speaker 1: was all off the tee. Well, he's become a more
[48:22] Speaker 1: complete golfer brooks Kopka. I mean again, you get that
[48:26] Speaker 1: live money, I get it. You know you you win,
[48:30] Speaker 1: and you know, these good looking young guys like Rory
[48:33] Speaker 1: McElroy right now is in a weird space where like
[48:36] Speaker 1: he won in Augusta and acknowledged it's hard to get
[48:41] Speaker 1: up in the morning, it's hard to work on the
[48:42] Speaker 1: short game for five hours and you know, on a Tuesday,
[48:46] Speaker 1: and it was to say that publicly was like, well
[48:48] Speaker 1: that is that is something to say publicly but where
[48:52] Speaker 1: is Brooks Kepka.
[48:53] Speaker 2: Now, I do wonder if you know, when he went
[48:55] Speaker 2: to live there are a lot of question marks with
[48:57] Speaker 2: him physically, and then within six months he won PGA
[49:00] Speaker 2: Championship and he proved everybody like, hey guys, I'm still here.
[49:04] Speaker 2: And I do wonder if there's an element like Rory
[49:07] Speaker 2: where like sitting on the range and that Florida heat
[49:10] Speaker 2: for three hours. You look at your clock, You've been
[49:11] Speaker 2: there for forty five minutes. You're like, I think I'm
[49:13] Speaker 2: gonna go into the clubhouse, you know, I think I'm
[49:16] Speaker 2: gonna go get Arnold Palmer and go hang out with
[49:19] Speaker 2: my wife. He's got Brooks won five majors, right, He's
[49:23] Speaker 2: he's one of the greatest American champions in the history
[49:26] Speaker 2: of the sport. Unique career, right because not like he
[49:29] Speaker 2: has forty wins in five majors. I think he only
[49:31] Speaker 2: has like ten or eleven PG Tour wins. I don't
[49:33] Speaker 2: think he's ever won maybe one time on LIV But
[49:37] Speaker 2: he's just a great major player. You know. Physically, you know,
[49:41] Speaker 2: Brooks was an older It's like a bow Knicks or whatever.
[49:44] Speaker 2: When he kind of came onto the scene because he
[49:45] Speaker 2: had been playing like international tours, the Asian Tour, a
[49:48] Speaker 2: little bit of a late bloomer, and right now, I mean,
[49:52] Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on this week, but
[49:54] Speaker 2: he has not played well. You know, that's where I
[49:57] Speaker 2: think Bryson, I do think comments. You know, Listen, I
[50:03] Speaker 2: grew up on nineties athletes. They were rich, but there
[50:07] Speaker 2: was an element where it felt like they weren't. Lebron
[50:10] Speaker 2: just opted in. He's almost made six hundred million dollars
[50:13] Speaker 2: in his career. That's just the basketball court, right, I mean,
[50:16] Speaker 2: that's a lot of money, right, I mean, you Kirk
[50:19] Speaker 2: Cousins three hundred, Derek Carr is like I made a
[50:22] Speaker 2: two hundred and ten million dollars. I'm out. He's thirty
[50:24] Speaker 2: four years old. Look how much money Joe Montana and
[50:26] Speaker 2: Steve Young made in their career careers combined. So the
[50:29] Speaker 2: money now Rory's probably made. I don't know if I
[50:32] Speaker 2: had to go five hundred million dollars on and off
[50:35] Speaker 2: the golf course, maybe more. And he's just telling you.
[50:37] Speaker 2: You know, I'm thirty five. Is I kind of get
[50:39] Speaker 2: bored practicing? And you know, Koepka was already really well
[50:42] Speaker 2: off before he went to live it's got I always listen,
[50:45] Speaker 2: call it. I admire your work ethic. Going to that
[50:48] Speaker 2: meeting thinking like it. It inspires me. Like you get up,
[50:52] Speaker 2: you're in that meeting at six o'clock, we're grinding. I'm like, damn,
[50:55] Speaker 2: this guy is bringing it. There's a passion and listen,
[50:57] Speaker 2: there's a passion to Brady. There's a passion of time.
[51:00] Speaker 2: Not everyone has that. And I do think it's difficult.
[51:04] Speaker 2: If you just handed me one hundred million dollars right
[51:06] Speaker 2: now at forty am I gonna have the same work
[51:08] Speaker 2: ethic in five years? I don't know. I mean, these
[51:10] Speaker 2: guys have made so much money. So I do just
[51:14] Speaker 2: wonder the impact in golf at least in football, because
[51:18] Speaker 2: you go, God, are eventually some of these football guys
[51:20] Speaker 2: gonna stop? Well? They get yelled at every practice. You
[51:23] Speaker 2: ever go to a training session, Like it's hot, everyone's sweating,
[51:26] Speaker 2: people are screaming, and golfer is kind of you out
[51:28] Speaker 2: there in the range and these guys are practicing at
[51:31] Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan's course. I mean, it's there's others. It's
[51:35] Speaker 2: pretty cool. You're like, do I ever want to sit
[51:36] Speaker 2: down in this range right now? So it's it's hard.
[51:40] Speaker 1: No, I've always felt that about golf ersus that you know,
[51:44] Speaker 1: it's it's almost like boxers. I always wonder why boxers
[51:47] Speaker 1: because of pay per view. I mean, boxers were the
[51:50] Speaker 1: highest paid athletes for a lot of my life. Connor McGregor,
[51:54] Speaker 1: you can make you can make forty million dollars.
[51:57] Speaker 2: Floyd make like three fights, like five hundred million dollars.
[52:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, I'd be done fighting. Like, I mean,
[52:03] Speaker 1: there's brain damage, there's brain trauma, so boxing not in UFC,
[52:09] Speaker 1: but you know, I I do. I think the media
[52:12] Speaker 1: sometimes has this wonderment like, yeah, I can't figure out
[52:16] Speaker 1: Rory and I'm like, great looking guy, made a lot
[52:18] Speaker 1: of money. His dream was Augusta. I mean he won
[52:21] Speaker 1: on his seventeenth trip and it's like he's human, like man,
[52:26] Speaker 1: he just he's just exhaling, and I totally get it.
[52:30] Speaker 1: It's you know, it's the old Marvin Hagler hard to
[52:33] Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to get up for that five
[52:35] Speaker 1: am run when you're sleeping on silk sheets.
[52:37] Speaker 2: Like it's just a reality of it.
[52:38] Speaker 1: So I think people are trying to figure out Rory,
[52:42] Speaker 1: and I think, you know the other thing, John is
[52:44] Speaker 1: you just forget a Golf's really hard. It's an incredible grind.
[52:49] Speaker 1: And Rory looks young, right Brooks Koepka. They're good looking,
[52:54] Speaker 1: they're in shape, they look young. I mean, just think
[52:58] Speaker 1: play Augusta seveneen years So just to get there takes
[53:03] Speaker 1: a while. So I think sometimes we forget with some
[53:07] Speaker 1: of these some of these golfers and some of these athletes.
[53:09] Speaker 1: Like in football, we have stats, we keep those, and
[53:12] Speaker 1: in golf we talk about majors, but we don't really
[53:14] Speaker 1: talk about necessarily about years. You know, with Brady it's
[53:17] Speaker 1: the Super Bowl year or the year he's eliminated Roy
[53:20] Speaker 1: Michelroy has been playing high end golf and by the way,
[53:23] Speaker 1: international golf. You know, he's I just get it. I
[53:26] Speaker 1: think I think I think he's taking a big exhale
[53:28] Speaker 1: for a year and he doesn't quite know how to communicate.
[53:31] Speaker 2: That with us. And I also think, like in basketball
[53:35] Speaker 2: or football, even if you just get into somewhat of
[53:38] Speaker 2: rut and get a little content after a couple of games,
[53:41] Speaker 2: if you're let's say you know, your Draymond or Steph
[53:44] Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're kind of getting embarrassed out
[53:45] Speaker 2: there on the court, for a couple of weeks, you're
[53:47] Speaker 2: like this, no more of this. Right. In football, all
[53:50] Speaker 2: of a sudden you get hit or tackled, You're like,
[53:53] Speaker 2: this sucks. Right. So they're in golf, you're like, whatever,
[53:56] Speaker 2: I just missed the cut. Go home. It's not like
[53:59] Speaker 2: you know, especially one, you've got to their level. The
[54:01] Speaker 2: caddies already super rich as well. I mean, Maria is
[54:04] Speaker 2: in this luxury real estate world out here and they
[54:07] Speaker 2: have their caddies. Go look at homes worth four or
[54:10] Speaker 2: five million dollars. They're caddies. This is These aren't Tiger
[54:15] Speaker 2: Woods caddies. These are caddies of just you know, the
[54:17] Speaker 2: fortieth player in the world or the fifty the amount
[54:20] Speaker 2: of money that's gone out there in that sport. Like
[54:23] Speaker 2: these other sports. But even in football, basketball, you still
[54:27] Speaker 2: have your teammates that rely on you. You are a
[54:29] Speaker 2: good example of like you have this company people relying
[54:32] Speaker 2: on you. Fox, You're You're who's really it's just Rory, right,
[54:36] Speaker 2: And that's right. I think sometimes we compare everything to Tiger,
[54:39] Speaker 2: like we compare everything to Michael. Those personalities are not normal.
[54:43] Speaker 2: They are the extreme Tom. They're the extreme outlier. Like
[54:46] Speaker 2: Tom and Peyton. We got very spoiled these two guys
[54:49] Speaker 2: at the same time that were both pretty wired the
[54:51] Speaker 2: same way of just do whatever it takes for as
[54:55] Speaker 2: long as it takes, till they're basically dragged off the field.
[54:58] Speaker 2: You know that's most quarterbacks like, yeah, whatever, Yeah, that's
[55:02] Speaker 2: kind of the case.
[55:04] Speaker 1: Yeah. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. Three and Out is
[55:07] Speaker 1: the podcast this has been. This is one of my
[55:09] Speaker 1: favorite fifty minute podcasts in a while. We touched on
[55:12] Speaker 1: so many different angles and so many different teams. Thank god,
[55:15] Speaker 1: no Aaron Rodgers discussion. I'm glad for that.
[55:18] Speaker 2: First, I watched the other night Enigma at least two episodes,
[55:22] Speaker 2: and then she's like, turn it off. I can't take
[55:23] Speaker 2: it anymore.
[55:26] Speaker 1: Only so much in her good to see anybody, see
[55:28] Speaker 1: you

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