# How to be more joyful (w/ Ingrid Fetell Lee)

An episode of [How to Be a Better Human](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1544098624), 11 Aug 2025, 38 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/67572b3b2dd88df13220eb3b/e/6883a23d6e658a8b3c93d6c9/media.mp3

What makes kids so joyful? Why do polka-dots and bright colors invoke feelings of joy? How do our senses shape our experience of joy? These are questions designer Ingrid Fetell Lee studies. Ingrid is the author of Joyful: The Surprising Power of Ordinary Things to Create Extraordinary Happiness and the blog, The Aesthetics of Joy. Chris and Ingrid ruminate on how joy differs from happiness and how infectious joy can be – so much so that the simple act of sharing your joy with others can even spark second-hand joy! Follow Host: Chris Duffy (Instagram: @chrisiduffy | chrisduffycomedy.com) Guest: Ingrid Fetell Lee (Instagram: @ingridfetell | @aestheticsofjoy) Links Book: Joyful: The Surprising Power of Ordinary Things to Create Extraordinary Happiness aestheticsofjoy.com/ Subscribe to TED Instagram: @ted YouTube: @TED TikTok: @tedtoks LinkedIn: @ted-conferences Website: ted.com Podcasts: ted.com/podcasts For the full text transcript, visit go.ted.com/BHTranscripts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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