# BONUS ARCHIVE EPISODE | FROM THE VAULT'S | Stardust Ranch: Alien Races, Men in Black & The Truth with John Edmonds | Pursuit of the Paranormal

An episode of [Pursuit of the Paranormal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1541466512), 27 Jun 2026, 1 h 02 min.

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🚨 BONUS ARCHIVE EPISODE | FROM THE PURSUIT OF THE PARANORMAL VAULT 🚨 As part of our 2026 bonus content series, we’re revisiting one of the most talked-about and controversial interviews in Pursuit of the Paranormal history. In this extraordinary episode, Greg and Ash speak with John Edmonds, owner of the infamous Stardust Ranch in Arizona — a property that has become legendary within UFO and paranormal circles due to decades of reported extraterrestrial encounters, unexplained phenomena, and alleged government interest. From his earliest experiences on the ranch to his claims of ongoing contact with multiple non-human intelligences, John shares his personal account of the events that have shaped his life and made Stardust Ranch one of the most debated locations in the world of the unexplained. 👽 In this episode, we discuss: • Reported encounters with extraterrestrial beings • Claims of unmarked helicopters and Men in Black visits • Telepathic communication experiences • Interdimensional and non-human intelligence theories • Why John believes Stardust Ranch became a focal point of activity • Whether the phenomenon extends far beyond traditional UFO narratives ⚠️ Please note: This episode was originally recorded and released prior to 2026 and is being republished as part of our bonus archive series. The views and experiences shared are those of our guest and are presented as his personal testimony and experiences. Whether you’re hearing this conversation for the first time or revisiting one of our most memorable interviews, the story of Stardust Ranch remains one of the most fascinating and controversial accounts in modern paranormal history. RIP - John Edmonds died shortly after this interview (March 2022) 📺 Featured in episodes of Ghost Adventures, John Edmonds’ story continues to spark debate, curiosity, and discussion throughout the paranormal and UFO communities. 📧 We’d love to hear your thoughts: podcast@pursuitoftheparanormal.co.uk 👻 Website: www.pursuitoftheparanormal.co.uk 📲 TikTok: @PursuitParanormal 📷 Instagram: @pursuitoftheparanormal #StardustRanch #JohnEdmonds #UFO #AlienContact #ParanormalPodcast #GhostAdventures #MenInBlack #Extraterrestrial #UAP #AlienEncounters #PursuitOfTheParanormal #Podcast Got a strange story to tell us? Drop us a voicemail and it may appear on an up coming episode

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to the worst nightmare of all. Reality.
[0:09] Explore the lesser known stories of our unknown
[0:13] world. Join the pursuit of the paranormal with
[0:17] Ash and Greg. Thanks for joining us on this episode
[0:27] where we're going to talk about the Stardust
[0:30] Ranch in Arizona. So what I'll do is I'll just
[0:33] start. with the history of the ranch and then
[0:36] we'll let the man himself tell us in his own
[0:39] words. So we're fortunate enough today to have
[0:42] John Edmonds the owner of the Starless Ranch
[0:45] in Arizona joining us and they will be joining
[0:48] us a little bit later on in the podcast where
[0:51] we will be talking to him about all things alien
[0:55] and paranormal. So I'll just talk about how we
[0:59] get up to now. So the ranch is based as mentioned
[1:03] in Arizona. John and his wife run a sanctuary
[1:07] for animals and they take in stray horses and
[1:13] all types of unwanted cattle etc and look after
[1:18] them in the ranch. So on the day of moving John
[1:21] and his wife turn up at the ranch. So John's
[1:24] walking around and he sees this guy walking towards
[1:27] him and he walks up to him he's a vagrant looking
[1:30] guy he's got a ponytail or whatnot. And he's
[1:33] got a machete with him. And John's like, who
[1:35] are you? He goes, oh, I live here. And John's
[1:38] like, I've just bought the ranch. I can't have
[1:42] you live in it. And the vagrant guy goes, I work
[1:45] on the property. John, again, is like, well,
[1:48] I've just bought the ranch. I don't need any
[1:49] help. What do you do? And this vagrant guy looks
[1:53] him in the eye and says, I kill the monsters.
[1:58] So John, what do you even say to that? So John's...
[2:02] a bit taken back by that and says I don't know
[2:04] what's going on but I don't need your help just
[2:07] get your stuff and go. The guy walks off that's
[2:10] the last we hear of him there's no story. After
[2:13] that encounter John's a bit taken back and thinks
[2:16] nothing of it and they just start getting on
[2:19] with their life and things are all good. Then
[2:22] the weirdness starts. I won't go into too much
[2:25] detail because John does start talking about
[2:27] it when we when we interview him. but just to
[2:30] give sort of a top level of what he does talk
[2:32] about his wife gets abducted on a nightly basis
[2:36] by these gray aliens he has ak -47 shootouts
[2:42] in the back garden firing alien spacecraft he
[2:46] decides that machine guns do not work when trying
[2:52] to kill these gray aliens so he takes to a samurai
[2:55] sword he then proceeds to start killing these
[2:59] things. He can preempt the movement of the aliens
[3:02] and even manages to take a sample of the dead
[3:08] alien off the samurai sword, keeps one in his
[3:14] freezer, and sends it off for analysis. Again,
[3:17] I'll let John talk about that when we get to
[3:19] it, but this this ranch is proper strange. Ghost
[3:23] Adventures have been there. They've done the
[3:24] investigation. There's a special of it. on YouTube
[3:27] and all the various viewing platforms. So there's
[3:32] definite interest in this guy and in The Ranch.
[3:37] So we were fortunate enough to speak to John,
[3:39] the interview's coming up now, where he talks
[3:42] a little bit more about what's going on at The
[3:45] Ranch now and some of the stories that you won't
[3:47] have heard him talk about before. I found it
[3:50] fascinating. I know you did as well, Ash. Yeah,
[3:54] it's insane. Yeah. And this guy, if everything
[3:58] he says is true, this guy has had the most insane
[4:03] experience that I don't think will ever be repeated.
[4:07] Skinwalker Ranch. Definitely. Skinwalker Ranch
[4:10] is no comparison to Stardust Ranch. Stardust
[4:14] Ranch is like Skinwalker Ranch on acid. And as
[4:17] John mentions, it's like a one stop shop of everything
[4:20] paranormal. So for the next sort of hour, we
[4:25] talk to John. and it's up to you guys to make
[4:28] up your own minds as to what's happened and if
[4:31] you believe him as you'll see John is quite adamant
[4:36] that he doesn't care if people don't believe
[4:38] him he knows what happened and is happening on
[4:41] the ranch so we'll hand over and would appreciate
[4:46] your thoughts on what you think has gone on I
[4:49] think the encounters you've had and everything
[4:53] that's happened to you since buying the ranch
[4:56] it's just been mind -blowing in terms of just
[5:00] like completely different to some of the other
[5:05] sort of UFO and paranormal experiences that I
[5:10] tell everybody this is like one -stop shopping
[5:12] as far as the paranormal goes you know and I
[5:15] you know over the years I you know went through
[5:18] a lot of different stages almost like you know
[5:21] going through grief yeah because you know I had
[5:24] to learn how to Accept it deal with it And then
[5:28] see it in perspective and eventually I've gotten
[5:30] to the point now where I see the whole thing
[5:32] as an educational process Yeah, to become somebody
[5:35] to you know do bigger things in the world I mean,
[5:38] I you know, I've always you know, I became a
[5:41] social worker and a psychiatric therapist You
[5:45] know educationally with the idea that I wanted
[5:48] to help people and do good in the world. And
[5:51] this ranch has really become sort of the hands
[5:54] -on experience for having to even take it to
[5:57] a larger level. So how do you come to accept
[6:02] what's happening? You mentioned that you've come
[6:05] to accept it. How does one go about accepting
[6:08] the phenomenal stuff that's been happening to
[6:11] you and your wife and the ranch? Well, I've had
[6:15] to see it in a bigger perspective. Um, you know,
[6:17] when I first, you know, decided to buy this ranch,
[6:20] I bought it, I saved up from the time I was,
[6:23] you know, seven or eight years old on to buy
[6:26] a ranch out West, you know, me growing up in
[6:29] Chicago and, uh, you know, the, uh, middle part
[6:33] of the country, I, you know, I had always wanted
[6:35] to have horses and I'd always wanted to, to live
[6:38] sort of the, you know, cowboy, uh, lifestyle,
[6:41] you know, that we grew up, you know, seeing back
[6:44] in the fifties and sixties, you know, And so
[6:48] finally when I got my chance to do it, you know,
[6:50] I jumped on it and did it. And then when I found
[6:53] out that I bought the ranch from hell, I was
[6:55] just like, Oh my God, you know, what have I done?
[6:58] This is not the dream that I signed on for. This
[7:00] is like the science fiction, you know, crazy
[7:02] dream. And I don't want this, you know, can I
[7:05] like give it back? You know, let me trade it
[7:09] in for something, you know. But it didn't work
[7:12] out that way. It was like, hey, you know what?
[7:15] Find your skippers, buddy. You bought it, it's
[7:17] yours. And I had to literally get over my anger
[7:21] about that. I had a lot of anger, rage. And these
[7:27] little grays showing up and hurting my animals
[7:30] and coming after me and coming after my wife.
[7:33] I was furious for years. I was just absolutely
[7:36] in a major state of rage and all I wanted to
[7:39] do was kill as many of them as possible Yeah,
[7:42] and uh, so I did, you know, I mean they came
[7:45] and they you know They they created, you know
[7:48] trouble and I took it out on them directly So
[7:51] how many how many grades do you think you've
[7:53] killed over the years? 19 pretty much for sure
[7:57] Maybe a few more. I mean, I I really don't know
[8:01] it's not like It's not like a batting average.
[8:06] It's just one of those things. It's not football.
[8:12] All I've done is defend my property, defend my
[8:15] family, and defend myself. And they just kept
[8:19] coming. And finally, we were fortunate enough
[8:23] to have somebody that was able to introduce us
[8:26] to some other species. Arizona is full of ETs.
[8:32] I you know and everything I say I can well I
[8:35] can't really document it it's not like I have
[8:37] you know like uh you know postcards with me with
[8:40] a bunch of ets on or something but um you know
[8:43] we we were fortunate enough to get introduced
[8:46] to a few different species and it was through
[8:50] a mutual trust arrangement with other individuals
[8:54] that they knew and they trusted that person and
[8:58] that person introduced me and ever since then
[9:01] we've had every couple of years we've kind of
[9:03] had one or two meetings and sat down and discussed
[9:06] things and you know gone over things and they've
[9:10] told me their points of view on a few things
[9:11] and i've told them mine and uh it's been good
[9:14] i mean we've i've learned so much over the last
[9:17] few years you know and it's why i tell people
[9:20] that there's nothing on this planet that we can't
[9:23] solve if we take responsibility for it you know
[9:26] there's no country on earth that we can't work
[9:29] with the people themselves. I don't give a damn
[9:32] about the governments. You know, the governments
[9:34] are on their own. But we can work with the people
[9:37] to create solutions. And there's nothing that
[9:40] we can't do if we work together. You know, and
[9:43] there's such a standard of living that just needs
[9:46] to be achieved universally, everybody needs to
[9:48] be able to have options for good housing, you
[9:51] know, clean, healthy food and water, you know,
[9:54] safety and a chance. to make something out of
[9:58] their lives that's significant and something
[10:00] that is beneficial. Something they can be proud
[10:04] of, have a good reason for being alive, other
[10:06] than just to take up space. We can do all that
[10:09] right now. We can do every bit of that right
[10:11] now. I've set up a trust fund, literally, and
[10:17] mostly so far it's just little bits of money
[10:19] that I've thrown in it. But the idea is to create
[10:23] teams of people. To start working on some of
[10:26] these world problems, you know because we have
[10:28] the answers I have the answers and it's not about
[10:31] me. Believe me. I'm not interested in fame I'm
[10:33] not interested in fortune. I'm not interested
[10:35] in any of that. I'm interested in creating a
[10:38] better world and we can do it Cool. I do completely
[10:42] agree with you Just going back to where you talked
[10:45] about the different races And you said you were
[10:51] introduced to those races by people were they
[10:54] were they humans that have introduced you to
[10:57] those races? Yeah well I mean it's been a little
[11:00] bit of both. You know the grays as far as I'm
[11:03] concerned are like the bad guys, the gang members,
[11:07] whatever you want to call them, they're absolutely
[11:09] of no use. At least I haven't met any that were
[11:13] okay under any circumstances. We have met a lot
[11:19] of Pleiadians over the years, some that I've
[11:23] known for over 20 years. and they're phenomenal
[11:26] individuals. They have phenomenal abilities.
[11:29] They're incredibly intelligent, but they're very
[11:34] careful about who they associate with because
[11:36] of the fact that there's such a stigma that goes
[11:39] with being from an off -world existence. And
[11:44] there are so many races that have lived here
[11:45] for thousands of years. I mean, it's not like
[11:49] these are... coming in by spaceship and just
[11:54] visiting. I'm sure that happens too, but they've
[11:58] been here. They're as much part of this world
[12:01] and almost at this point just human as anybody
[12:07] else. So what kind of intelligent communication
[12:10] have you had with them? I've sat down with them
[12:14] for hours at a time. I mean, many hours. you
[12:17] know the come and go we've done in some cases
[12:21] uh you know we've taken trips and gone places
[12:24] and done things so they're there i mean you can't
[12:27] tell the difference between them and anybody
[12:29] else really you know the only reason you know
[12:31] that they're not human is because if they confide
[12:34] in you and they tell you they will do things
[12:37] to demonstrate to you abilities that we don't
[12:40] have what what kind of abilities do they show
[12:43] you um In some cases that I've seen personally,
[12:50] under one particular set of circumstances, great
[12:53] strength, physical strength. An individual that
[12:57] was in earth years, over 70 years old, we were
[13:02] in a rock climbing situation in the Grand Canyon
[13:04] and we had a mishap. And that one person raised
[13:08] like eight of us on a rope with one arm and one
[13:12] hand while holding onto the other end. and skinning
[13:16] up the rope, dragging us with him. Oh wow. So
[13:20] do they communicate with you like a human would?
[13:24] Oh absolutely. Just like talking. Yeah, I mean
[13:28] one of the ones that I know personally is a great
[13:31] musician, you know, and I mean he plays guitar
[13:35] and sings and does everything. And people don't
[13:38] understand. They're embedded in our culture.
[13:41] There are plenty of ETs. that are already in
[13:44] our culture that we see and know because they're
[13:47] famous and people don't even understand that
[13:50] they don't know it and of course they're not
[13:51] going to admit to it and i'm certainly not going
[13:53] to out anybody now understand that so so these
[13:57] paladins they're just everyday people in the
[14:00] streets that we walk past could be one of these
[14:03] from this race some of them have a tendency to
[14:06] be very tall be very good looking they all look
[14:09] like they should be you know professional models
[14:13] They should be TV or movie stars, things like
[14:17] that. They're exceptional looking in the fact
[14:20] that you look at them and you go, well, that
[14:23] person doesn't really look like anybody I know.
[14:26] But at the same time, they look like they should
[14:29] be doing something on camera. They have a unique
[14:35] way they present. They're striking. Yeah, that
[14:42] wasn't what I was expecting you to say they would
[14:44] be like to be fair so that's interesting that
[14:47] we potentially interact with these Races without
[14:51] even without even knowing about them And see
[14:54] some of them actually the ones that are what
[14:57] I call newcomers They don't understand the culture
[15:00] particularly well, but they're a bit arrogant
[15:03] and so they cover it by trying to act like they're
[15:05] kind of stuck up and and Those are the ones that
[15:09] don't have much of a sense of humor uh particularly
[15:12] fun to be around because they don't get it and
[15:16] it's it's kind of funny i mean you could say
[15:18] stuff and they just look at you and you think
[15:20] they're offended it's they don't even know what
[15:22] you're talking about oh wow because they don't
[15:25] understand the cultural references and uh they
[15:28] can get you know kind of pissy about it so talking
[15:35] you're talking about the grays and the grays
[15:38] i know from the bits that I've heard you talk
[15:42] about previously, that they're quite aggressive
[15:44] and they're not a very nice race. And now you've
[15:49] talked about the ones that are more normal, I
[15:54] say normal, but more friendly and interact more.
[15:59] You say that they are as human -like, really.
[16:04] They are, but they still have a lot of connections.
[16:08] They typically they have not only connections
[16:12] off -world, but they have access to a great deal
[16:15] of information I mean They're fascinating the
[16:20] ones that I've met anyway because I can I can
[16:22] literally sit down and talk to them for days
[16:24] at a time They can answer almost anything They're
[16:28] extremely truthful people. Yeah, it's like they
[16:32] don't even understand what lying is They are
[16:35] exactly who they present as they are So they're
[16:38] not out to try to make an impression. They're
[16:41] not out to impress you. They're already pretty
[16:44] impressive people. So they're, you know, they're
[16:49] what we consider to be educated. They consider
[16:52] to be, you know, sort of like almost like hillbillies.
[16:55] I mean, they're terribly, terribly smart and
[17:00] they're light years ahead of us a lot of times
[17:03] in terms of their understanding of hard sciences.
[17:08] Yeah And also history so like, you know, they
[17:12] go back. I mean some of these guys live five
[17:15] six hundred years Okay Okay, so, you know so
[17:19] they can go back and say y 'all. Yeah, I remember
[17:22] so -and -so, you know, and it's they're not getting
[17:24] around I mean they actually were there so they
[17:29] a lot of stuff has been coming out over the last
[17:32] couple years with the tic -tac -qfo and a lot
[17:37] more public awareness and maybe acceptance of
[17:42] the fact that disclosures come in. What are your
[17:46] thoughts on disclosure and also what are the
[17:50] thoughts of the alien races? What do they think
[17:55] of disclosure? I don't think we're going to get
[17:56] any kind of disclosure that is particularly significant.
[18:01] We're going to get, well and I'll tell you why
[18:05] I say that, because The governments of the world
[18:08] have been involved in cover -ups, they've been
[18:10] involved in espionage, they've been involved
[18:13] in all sorts of, you know, bad stuff. And for
[18:17] them to come out and say, oh yeah, we've known
[18:19] about this for, you know, like the last 200 years
[18:22] and we've been involved in it and we've done
[18:24] this and we've done that, they're not going to
[18:26] say that. They're not going to do anything that
[18:28] implicates them in a position where the average
[18:31] citizen says, wow, my government sucks. Look
[18:34] what they've been doing. And this is what they
[18:37] kept us from being able to understand and have
[18:40] access to. And they've been making deals behind
[18:43] our backs, allegedly on our behalf. But what
[18:46] have they been getting for it? They've been getting
[18:48] access to science, and they've been getting access
[18:51] to weapons, and they've been getting access to
[18:54] little bits and pieces of technology. Well, you
[18:57] know what? They could have had access to an awful
[18:59] lot more stuff. And they could have passed that
[19:01] information along to us. so that we could have
[19:03] been partners at the same big table, so that
[19:06] we could have taken that information and done
[19:08] things with it to make the world a better place.
[19:12] And they assumed that they had the right to make
[19:16] all those decisions on our behalf. I don't think
[19:19] they did. Until we can get to a point where we
[19:23] can have some kind of understanding with our
[19:25] governments, where we can say, look, you guys
[19:28] need to stop treating us like children. and start
[19:32] treating us like adults. We're ready to consume
[19:36] the information for what it is directly, and
[19:40] we want to be part of the situation so that we
[19:42] can work with it. Until we get that kind of respect,
[19:45] we're never going to get disclosure. What we're
[19:48] going to get is some postcard version where they
[19:52] tell us stuff to impress us and shock us and
[19:54] scare us and all the rest of it. You know what?
[19:57] That doesn't help us to get down the road anywhere.
[20:01] positive. It just keeps us under their thumb.
[20:05] I don't want to be under anybody's thumb and
[20:06] I don't want anybody else on this planet to have
[20:09] to be under anybody's thumb. I want us all to
[20:12] be equals and to sit at the same table, know
[20:15] the same information and make informed, educated
[20:19] decisions. Do you think the alien races will
[20:23] force disclosure if the governments don't? Or
[20:26] do you think that's not their agenda? Well, it
[20:30] realized something, you know, we have to be careful
[20:31] when we refer to them as aliens because you know,
[20:35] that's like calling humans all, you know, one
[20:38] group. Okay. And there's, you know, as many different
[20:41] versions of humans and different beliefs and
[20:44] different, you know, agendas and all the rest
[20:46] of that. And it's the same thing with the various
[20:49] different ET races. And that is that there's
[20:51] lots of different agendas. There's lots of different
[20:54] levels of commitment and participation, you know,
[20:57] from people that could care less and all they
[21:00] want to do is just live out their lives to you
[21:02] know people that are you know frontline you know
[21:05] ready to you know jump in and do something and
[21:09] they have the same arrangement so you know you
[21:13] have to be kind of specific so okay yeah i completely
[21:17] understand um with the ranch itself what do you
[21:24] what do you think the agenda is with the ranch
[21:26] because obviously there's a lot happening there
[21:28] that doesn't appear to happen I know it does
[21:32] appear other places but why why do you think
[21:35] the ranch was particularly picked well I think
[21:38] it was picked a long time ago and I just happened
[21:41] to stumble across it I don't think it particularly
[21:44] had anything to do with me I think I was just
[21:48] the unfortunate soul that kind of bought the
[21:51] wrong ranch But we've been told that this ranch
[21:55] has had two portals on it for as long as 8 ,000
[21:58] years. And so many different cultures have come
[22:02] and gone. You know, certainly as we've been,
[22:06] you know, working to do construction and things
[22:08] here on the ranch at various times, we've found
[22:11] artifacts, we've found all sorts of things that
[22:13] prove that. So definitely this place has a much
[22:17] longer history than when the buildings were built.
[22:20] You know, the land itself was here forever and
[22:24] various different things were happening here.
[22:27] It's just that probably for the most of it, there
[22:29] wasn't any settlement here to be able to, you
[22:32] know, actually make any record of it or to participate
[22:35] directly. And, you know, when we got here, it
[22:39] just started acting up, you know, just crazy,
[22:43] just crazy the way things are have been here.
[22:46] Never would have expected anything like it. And
[22:49] in fact, I wouldn't even have believed it. If
[22:51] I had heard my stories, you know, and not been
[22:54] me, I probably wouldn't have believed them. But,
[22:57] you know, all I can do is say what it is. I've
[23:00] had, you know, multiple lie detector tests. You
[23:03] know, my wife worked for the FBI for years. I
[23:05] worked, you know, with county, state and federal
[23:09] government. You know, I mean, we're pretty good
[23:12] examples of people that, you know, managed to,
[23:16] you know, go through the litmus of all the different
[23:18] you know qualifiers to become you know legitimate
[23:21] trusted members of society and you know here
[23:26] we are we're you know the guys living on the
[23:28] alien ranch so i don't know you know i i always
[23:32] tell people you know they say oh come on it's
[23:34] a big story and i go no it is a big story but
[23:36] it's a big truth you know and you know we're
[23:40] not out there trying to make money off this you
[23:42] know anything that we do we're not doing for
[23:45] us we're trying to do to make the world a better
[23:47] place I mean, we run an animal charity to help
[23:51] all the abandoned animals. We spend the majority
[23:55] of money that comes our way. That's where it
[23:59] goes. My wife works two jobs and I work two or
[24:03] three jobs in order to pay for everything here.
[24:07] And we're not doing it because of the fact that
[24:09] we want people to pat us on the back and tell
[24:11] us how wonderful we are. We don't care about
[24:13] that. We care about the animals, having a loving,
[24:16] safe environment. with us when nobody else wanted
[24:20] them. And you see, that's the difference between
[24:23] us and a lot of these guys that are out there
[24:25] on the paranormal circus is what I call it. They're
[24:29] all out there rehashing stuff that's been going
[24:32] on for the last 70 years and trying to put it
[24:34] in different terms and write it down in new books
[24:36] and present it over and over and over again.
[24:39] They make their way on all the TV shows and all
[24:41] the rest of that stuff. And I guess they get
[24:43] paid pretty well for it. More power to them.
[24:46] But we don't do that. you know we're not out
[24:48] there you know trying to hawk uh alien dolls
[24:52] or or you know anything else i mean we're just
[24:55] i wrote a book you know and uh it's out there
[24:58] but it's a book about what happened here and
[25:01] that's it that's a great point just going back
[25:05] to your ranch there's quite a lot of properties
[25:07] that are around stardust ranch do any of them
[25:10] or do you know that you've spoken to them anything
[25:13] that they say that's happened like on their ranches
[25:15] or is it just more centered around Stardust?
[25:19] We have had in the last couple years, you know,
[25:22] since we did the Ghost Adventures TV show a couple
[25:26] years back, we've had a lot of people, you know,
[25:28] come forward and, you know, literally, as we're
[25:32] leaving the property, they'll pull over and,
[25:34] you know, kind of stop their car in front of
[25:37] ours. And we don't much have a choice except
[25:39] to greet them and talk to them. And, you know,
[25:43] they'll come out and say, hey, you know, We own
[25:45] this property down the road over here someplace,
[25:48] and we've seen all the same stuff. Our families
[25:51] have been seeing this stuff for 30 or 40 years.
[25:53] I'm like, well, more power to you. Sorry that
[25:57] you had to go through that, but thanks for confirming
[26:00] what we know. If there's anything we can do to
[26:04] help you or answer any questions to make your
[26:06] life easier, we'll be happy to do that. Yeah,
[26:11] we've met people, what I call the newcomers,
[26:14] the people that, you know, heard about the story
[26:16] and decided to, you know, buy a house right around
[26:18] us so they could kind of enjoy the sideshow.
[26:22] There's a lot of them that are totally pissed
[26:24] off at us because once they get out here, they
[26:27] either saw something or didn't see something.
[26:29] And if they saw something, generally, it was
[26:31] something horrifying. And it made them just,
[26:34] you know, like, my God, it's true. Why did we
[26:36] ever come out here? We hate you. Yeah, like that's
[26:40] my fault. And then we've got some that moved
[26:43] out here and, you know, they haven't seen anything
[26:47] and they're like, oh, it's, you know, a bunch
[26:49] of crap. And I'm like, no, it isn't, but that's
[26:51] okay. So, you know, be glad that your life isn't
[26:54] being impacted by this stuff the same way ours
[26:56] is. So, you know, we get a little bit of everything,
[26:59] you know, and then we get, you know, we get sort
[27:02] of weird stuff where, you know, we'll get a bunch
[27:04] of guys that. just signed up to go overseas as
[27:07] soldiers and they all want Stardust Ranch tattoos
[27:10] or they want to lift a beer and come out and
[27:16] bring beer out and they stand outside the ranch
[27:19] and get drunk and scream and holler and do all
[27:22] their crazy stuff. So we get everything. I mean,
[27:25] it's just, we had no idea that when we started
[27:28] doing shows or I started doing shows, that we
[27:31] were going to have some of the reactions we've
[27:32] had because you know we get movie stars that
[27:34] come out we get you know uh musicians we get
[27:38] people from all around the world that come out
[27:40] here um you know just i mean literally from every
[27:45] corner of the earth we get phone calls and we
[27:47] get people coming out here i change my phone
[27:49] number four and five times a year because it
[27:52] just gets to the point where it's it's too much
[27:55] you know i get three three four hundred emails
[27:57] a day You know, Facebook is just, you know, I've
[28:01] got thousands of followers on Facebook. Plus,
[28:04] you know, every day I get, you know, 50 to 100
[28:06] new people trying to sign up. So, you know, I
[28:09] didn't ask for any of this. I'm not looking for
[28:12] that kind of recognition. You know, my mission
[28:15] in life, the information I've been given, turn
[28:18] it into new technology and turn it into examples,
[28:22] working examples of things that can make the
[28:24] world a better place. You know, and I'm not trying
[28:27] to piss off governments or anything else. We're
[28:30] not trying to start a revolution or anything.
[28:33] What we're trying to do is create an opportunity
[28:36] for people to make good, well -informed choices
[28:39] and make their lives a better place and ask them
[28:42] to share that information with others. That's
[28:44] how we change the world. Awesome. Yeah, thank
[28:48] you for that. And I do appreciate the fact that
[28:51] from what I've seen, you don't publicly try and
[28:54] push the the narrative of what's going on in
[28:57] Stardust Ranch like you mentioned other people
[28:59] do. So that certainly lends credibility to everything
[29:04] that you're talking about as well, which is not
[29:06] a bad thing. So I think that's what's captivated
[29:10] me about the story over the years that I've been
[29:13] interested in the ranch is the fact that it isn't
[29:17] something that's necessarily a talked about subject
[29:23] like there are other places, certainly in the
[29:27] US, where there's a lot of media interest and
[29:33] and such. Skinwalker, you know, everybody's all
[29:36] crazy about Skinwalker Ranch, you know, and the
[29:38] guy that owned it, Robert Bigelow, you know,
[29:41] he sent his teams here and they interviewed us
[29:44] for a week, you know, reenacted, you know, a
[29:47] lot of the fights that we had with the Grays
[29:50] physically. filmed it. They wanted to dig the
[29:54] place up horribly. I was like, no, we can't dig
[29:57] the place up. They wanted to buy the place. Everything
[30:02] that happened at Skinwalker pretty much happened
[30:04] here about 10 years before it ever happened at
[30:07] Skinwalker. It's as if somebody took all of the
[30:12] information and put it into a database about
[30:14] Stardust Ranch and then created a scripted version
[30:18] and did Skinwalker. You know what? That's fine.
[30:21] I couldn't care less personally. Like I said,
[30:26] it's not a competition to see who can have the
[30:29] worst ranch. It is what it is. Our ranch, Skinwalker,
[30:36] and there's one other one. I can never remember
[30:39] the name of it. They're all in alignment geographically.
[30:44] You can literally follow the, what is it? lay
[30:50] lines or whatever they call them and they all
[30:53] go right through each other. You know we're the
[30:55] lowest one on the totem pole south and then you
[31:00] know it goes up from there up to Utah. So I've
[31:04] seen on your social media that the portals that
[31:08] you've taken photos of. Can you describe some
[31:12] of the the craft or bins or what's come through
[31:20] those portals that you've witnessed? Well, what
[31:24] I would do is this. I would tell you the portals
[31:26] are the portals and the other phenomena that
[31:29] has happened on the ranch is not necessarily
[31:32] portal related. Okay. They're different. In other
[31:37] words, like we had been in this ranch about a
[31:41] year, year and a half and my wife and I saw what
[31:44] looked like Roman centurion soldiers walk directly
[31:49] during a power failure when there was no power.
[31:53] We were just sitting on the sofa watching the
[31:55] movie and all of a sudden when the lights went
[31:56] out all the power went out. Next thing it was
[31:59] like somebody turned on a black and white old
[32:01] movie projector and they were portraying this
[32:05] pair of centurions walking from one corner of
[32:08] the house. through to the other end of the house,
[32:11] and they just disappeared out the living room
[32:15] wall right in front of us. They just walked right
[32:17] through it and disappeared. It was like something
[32:19] turned off the projector. How do you react to
[32:23] something like that? Pardon me? How do you react
[32:26] to something like that? Because that's not even
[32:29] just... Typically, we were just miles hanging
[32:32] open and going, oh my God, did you see that?
[32:36] Oh, yeah, I saw that. What the heck was that?
[32:39] I mean, we're normal people. It's not like we're
[32:43] sophisticated snobs where, oh, I do suppose we
[32:47] just had a phenomena. We're just people. Imagine
[32:55] the average person going through all this stuff.
[32:57] That's kind of how it was. I can't even begin
[33:00] to imagine what that was like for you. Me and
[33:05] Ash have been talking Over weeks over podcasts
[33:10] and to people that we talked to about the connection
[33:13] between I say aliens but the UFO phenomena alien
[33:17] phenomena and the paranormal on the link between
[33:20] the two and people do talk that They're seeing
[33:25] paranormal events taking place where there's
[33:29] cryptids being seen. There's alien or UFO or
[33:33] unidentified aerial phenomena happening Do you
[33:38] see a link between all of the phenomena? Yes,
[33:43] yeah. The thing about it is that we seem to be,
[33:49] imagine an onion and imagine the various different
[33:52] layers of the onion being kind of like our realities.
[33:55] And for some reason either, and I can't really
[34:00] put a message to it in terms of an explanation
[34:05] other than the fact that the layers are getting
[34:07] thinner and thinner. and the different levels
[34:11] of existence or dimensions seem to be interacting
[34:15] in such a way that all these things are now mixing
[34:18] together. And so, you know, we have things happening
[34:21] out of order in terms of time. You know, it's
[34:24] like time is, you know, things that have happened
[34:27] hundreds of years ago suddenly become noticeable
[34:31] in this time frame here now. You know, the various
[34:35] different UFOs that we keep seeing, you know,
[34:37] we see ships on a regular basis. I'm sure some
[34:41] of it might be man -made, but I don't think most
[34:44] of it is. I don't think that the orbs that we've
[34:48] seen for 20 -25 years out here, you know, that
[34:52] were recorded during the Phoenix Lights, you
[34:55] know, March 13th in 97, I don't think that has
[34:58] anything to do with anything natural, you know,
[35:01] man -made. You know, we've seen black triangles
[35:05] that were... convinced they were nothing man
[35:09] -made. The energy coming off of them, just the
[35:17] effect that it has on the human body, I don't
[35:19] see that. I've seen some of the most advanced
[35:23] human craft ever made that used to be secret
[35:27] technology. Luke Air Force Base is only about
[35:30] 12, 15 miles away. and they have open houses
[35:33] every once in a while and they let the public
[35:35] go through and actually walk right up to some
[35:37] of these types of crafts. It was nothing compared
[35:41] to what we've seen. So can you describe the ones
[35:44] that you've seen? What sort of form do they take?
[35:47] Well, sure. We had an example a number of years
[35:51] ago where we had some friends that were over
[35:56] and we were out in the front of the ranch standing
[36:01] around in the front corral with horses. And it
[36:04] was early evening. And suddenly we looked up
[36:08] and you could see a very dense, absolutely black,
[36:14] triangle object that was probably about a third,
[36:19] a fourth to a third the size of the entire ranch.
[36:21] And it was about two to 300 feet over our head.
[36:25] And it just literally appeared out of nowhere.
[36:28] Suddenly it was just there. and the horses were
[36:30] real spooky and they were running around acting
[36:33] like they were afraid. There was a very weird
[36:37] energy that you could feel, kind of like a real
[36:41] strong bass guitar kind of thing where your chest
[36:45] interacts with you and you can actually feel
[36:49] the energy, that kind of thing. It was just...
[36:55] You can see the sky around the outside of it.
[36:58] But for the most part, when you looked up, all
[36:59] you saw was triangle. And I didn't have a camera
[37:03] or a phone with me at the time. And my friend
[37:07] told me, he says, look, I've got a phone. But
[37:09] it was one of those old flip phones. And he couldn't
[37:13] really record much with it. And he said, what
[37:15] do you want me to do? And I said, call 911. Let's
[37:19] see if we can get the sheriff to come out or
[37:21] something. And so he called. And you know, we
[37:25] recorded what we saw and a deputy came out in
[37:30] a patrol car and the license plate was taped
[37:33] over so you couldn't get the license plate number.
[37:36] The number on the vehicle was taped over so that
[37:39] you couldn't see what patrol car number it was.
[37:42] And the deputy that got out of the car had on
[37:44] a raincoat and he had on a slicker over his hat
[37:47] so you couldn't see his badge number or anything
[37:49] else. And it was not raining. It was, you know,
[37:52] we're in the desert here. rained on twice a year.
[37:56] And, you know, and we tried to get him to identify
[37:59] himself and he wouldn't do it. You know, he just
[38:02] said, I'm here to take a report. And I said,
[38:04] well, good, I'm going to need a copy of that.
[38:07] And he wrote down a bunch of stuff. And at the
[38:10] end of it, even though he was standing right
[38:12] there looking at this craft with us, he wouldn't
[38:15] give us a copy of the report. He wouldn't tell
[38:17] us who he was. And he gave us no way to be able
[38:19] to identify or use him as a reference. and we
[38:24] ended up calling Peter Davenport from the UFO
[38:27] Reporting Center in Washington State and literally
[38:31] talking to him on the phone as we're standing
[38:34] there underneath this object and made a full
[38:36] report to him. And that was the best we could
[38:38] do. Well, that's some experience. Where do you
[38:46] think or who do you think this police officer
[38:49] was? Well, I imagine he was probably a Maricopa
[38:53] County Deputy. But I know, because I used to
[38:58] belong to a health club here, a gym. And I'd
[39:01] see a lot of the deputies down at the gym. And
[39:04] in the locker room and stuff, we would talk kind
[39:07] of situation where off the record. And I'd ask
[39:12] these guys, I'd say, do you see this kind of
[39:15] stuff out here on a regular basis? And he goes,
[39:17] man, we've been seeing this stuff for years.
[39:19] And I said, well, why don't you guys get involved?
[39:23] try to get a handle on this." And he just looked
[39:26] at me and he said, we're absolutely sworn not
[39:28] to do anything with it. We're not even supposed
[39:30] to talk about it. And I was like, well, so is
[39:34] that coming down from somebody in the state or
[39:37] is that coming down from the feds? Because as
[39:39] far as law enforcement goes, they try to avoid
[39:42] it the same way pilots avoid it, the way, you
[39:45] know, anything to do with anything official that
[39:48] would legitimize it. Absolutely pretty much unspoken
[39:53] sworn never to talk about it. Wow. Is that the
[39:58] same reaction that you've had over the years,
[40:00] like in the past 20 plus years from law enforcement?
[40:04] Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you know, I worked in
[40:06] government. I mean, I, you know, I got all the
[40:08] badges and everything. I mean, I, you know, I
[40:10] could go, you know, any federal building, any
[40:12] state building, any city of Phoenix building,
[40:14] I worked, you know, in management, uh, you know,
[40:17] I worked in the front lines of, of, you know,
[40:20] dealing with people in the streets. I ran, you
[40:22] know, big groups for, for, uh, counseling groups,
[40:26] you know, I mean, I was way up there in the system.
[40:29] I wasn't like a little guy. And, you know, everybody
[40:33] would talk about stuff that they would never
[40:35] on the record ever go on, you know, on the record
[40:38] and talk about it. You know, I mean, when Fife
[40:41] Symington was the governor, you know, he made
[40:43] it, you know, he made total fun of it. Yeah.
[40:47] When was the last time you had any interaction?
[40:50] Are you in regular contact with these different
[40:53] races? Is there been any recent experiences that
[40:56] you had with them? Let's put it this way. I've
[41:00] gotten to the point where I know certain individuals
[41:03] well enough that we speak regularly. I consider
[41:10] them to be friends at this point, some of them.
[41:15] They know that I hold their privacy sacred. I
[41:20] treat them the same way I would treat a client
[41:22] that I was doing counseling with. You know, just
[41:26] don't, I don't give out their identity, but they're
[41:30] here. And I mean, you know, like I said, Arizona's
[41:33] full of them and there are many different races
[41:35] here. And they, they are, you know, I don't know
[41:38] if the rest of the country is full of them, but
[41:40] I know Arizona's full of them. It's funny because
[41:43] they, some of them attend these conferences,
[41:46] you know, all these paranormal conferences. Yeah,
[41:49] they're there. They're actually there. It's a,
[41:54] it's remarkable. I mean, when I see them. you
[41:56] know they're happy to see me and you know we
[41:58] usually go off someplace and sit down and catch
[42:00] up and you know have coffee or whatever and talk
[42:04] i guess a lot of skeptics will say that you've
[42:07] had this going on for years lots of these grays
[42:10] coming at you have had fights with literally
[42:13] a lot of skeptics say where's the evidence have
[42:16] you ever set up cameras to record anything come
[42:18] in what's the what's the what's the best that
[42:20] you've got i guess well you can go on our website
[42:25] and see the DNA reports. I mean, that was done
[42:29] a number of years ago with Dr. Levengood, who
[42:33] mysteriously died right before we could go with
[42:38] a worldwide news conference and sit down and
[42:40] show everybody on camera the evidence. I know
[42:44] people say, oh, how convenient. Hey, you know
[42:46] what? I don't make it up. I just live it. DNA
[42:54] evidence. It's on our website. You can go to
[42:56] www .alienranchatweebly .com and you can, you
[43:02] know, you can see what we got. We get pictures
[43:04] of all sorts of stuff there. I mean, we got video,
[43:08] we got photographs. You know, I'm trained to
[43:10] be a professional witness in the Superior Court
[43:13] of Arizona. And everything that I have done,
[43:17] I've done in such a way that it could be, you
[43:20] know, I could actually hold up my right hand
[43:22] and swear. an oath and say, this is what has
[43:26] happened, this is what we've seen, and here's
[43:28] the evidence. Plus, like I said, we have physical
[43:32] evidence as well. There's a lot of people out
[43:34] there that don't want to believe for whatever
[43:36] reason. There's the cancel culture right now
[43:39] with everybody saying, hey, if I say it didn't
[43:42] happen enough times and it didn't happen, well,
[43:44] hey, that's fine. See, we're not out here trying
[43:46] to prove anything. It's like if you're ready
[43:49] to open your heart and understand this for what
[43:51] it is and believe and know that something good
[43:53] can come from it, great. If you just want to
[43:56] be a troll and complain and say it's a bunch
[43:59] of BS, cool. I don't care. It doesn't matter
[44:02] to me one bit. And I think that that lends even
[44:06] more credibility to John. And I know that's one
[44:11] of the things that's certainly captivated me
[44:13] over the years is the fact that you literally
[44:17] don't care if people believe you or not, which
[44:19] I think is great. I couldn't care less that they
[44:21] think I'm crazy. They think I'm crazy and that
[44:24] I'm just a shill, so be it. And I know that it's
[44:29] absolutely sort of extraordinary the events that
[44:32] have taken place to you at the ranch over the
[44:36] last couple of decades. So again, I don't even
[44:40] know how you'd even come to get to any kind of
[44:44] acceptance. um but I know that you I've seen
[44:50] the picture of the samurai sword on the on the
[44:53] floor with the blood on it and I think I think
[44:56] that's where you got some of the DNA evidence
[44:58] from the the samurai sword let me let me explain
[45:01] that a little yeah the the evidence has come
[45:04] from the sword but it has come from from um when
[45:08] I took the head off of one of these creatures
[45:11] um you know I didn't know what to do with it
[45:13] I mean what do you do with a dead alien you know
[45:16] something like you can send it out to be you
[45:18] know stuffed and you know put it over your mantle
[45:21] so you know i i didn't have the foggiest clue
[45:24] what to do with it and you know so i ended up
[45:27] i wrapped it up and i stuck it in the freezer
[45:29] and i was fortunate enough that at the time i
[45:33] was uh doing radio and so i was able to reach
[45:37] out to some people that uh had connections and
[45:42] they were able to tell me exactly who to talk
[45:44] to. And Dr. Lovingood's name kept coming up.
[45:48] And so they got me the phone number and I called
[45:51] him and I told him what happened. And I took
[45:53] photographs of it and I sent it to him and he
[45:55] was terribly excited. And he said, well, you
[45:57] gotta get this thing to me somehow. And I'm like,
[45:59] well, I'm in Arizona and you're in Michigan and
[46:02] I'm certainly not gonna like put a dead alien
[46:05] in the car and drive it there. And he said, well,
[46:09] you know, chop it up and I'll tell you how to
[46:10] prepare it. And, uh, you know, vivisect it and
[46:14] all that, and we'll go ahead and ship it. And
[46:16] I said, okay. So I ended up shipping it by FedEx
[46:19] and, uh, it's probably the strangest thing FedEx
[46:22] has ever had. And, uh, you know, he got it in
[46:26] good condition and, you know, it was on dry ice
[46:29] and everything. And, uh, so he, you know, did
[46:32] what he did, but see that DNA was done. under
[46:36] laboratory conditions in a professional lab,
[46:39] and it was sent out to many different universities.
[46:42] And they did not identify what it was. They just
[46:45] said, please tell us what you think of this sample.
[46:48] And a year and a half later, I've got all these
[46:52] major universities, and some of them are really
[46:55] respected Ivy League universities making appointments
[46:58] to come and take us out to dinner and hear our
[47:03] story firsthand. And, you know, so we did all
[47:06] that. So, you know, everything that was done,
[47:08] it was done under the best of conditions. You
[47:12] know, it's a very legitimate, you know, sample.
[47:17] Cool. Yeah, thank you for explaining that. I've
[47:22] seen that you've got DNA reports. previously,
[47:27] so that's good for people listening that don't
[47:30] really know the story or the encounters you've
[47:33] had, just to clarify that for us, so that's great.
[47:38] The most interesting thing about that was the
[47:40] fact that the DNA came back as not just, you
[47:44] know, like animal life, it came back as animal
[47:47] life, but also plant life, you know, hemoglobin,
[47:53] but it also had some of the traits and characteristics
[47:58] of plants and they were mixed together. It was
[48:01] like in the same animal. And that's how they
[48:04] were able to determine that there was nothing
[48:06] like that on the planet that existed. That is
[48:10] super strange. That is super strange. In terms
[48:16] of the future and with the ranch, what do you
[48:21] see? or do you see that the communication and
[48:26] your interactions with these different races
[48:29] will continue if they sort of advise you with
[48:33] what their plans are for the future? Well, I
[48:37] mean, you know, what I see the ranch doing is
[48:41] the fact that the energy here is so strong. You
[48:45] know, we've had people that have literally gotten
[48:46] off planes and wheelchairs. They came out to
[48:49] visit the ranch and the next thing you know,
[48:51] a week later, they were pushing their wheelchair
[48:53] to get back on the plane and picking it up and
[48:58] packing it up themselves. They literally became
[49:02] unable to walk and then left walking. So the
[49:06] energy here is very positive but it's just very
[49:11] powerful and it's what you make of it. If you
[49:13] come here and you're really negative and skeptical
[49:17] and You've got an axe to grind. Well, guess what?
[49:21] You're probably going to have a pretty scary
[49:24] experience here. If you come with a positive
[49:27] attitude and the idea that you want to do something
[49:30] good and understand something from a beneficial
[49:33] point of view, chances are you're going to have
[49:35] a great experience. But it totally depends on
[49:39] the people that come out here. And I explain
[49:40] that to people. If you're in a bad place, you
[49:43] don't want to come here. If you just had a death
[49:45] in your family, if you've had you know something
[49:48] terrible happened you know if you're really you
[49:50] know sort of uh depressed ongoing you know bad
[49:53] mood this is not the place to be um so it's whatever
[49:58] you bring to the ranch is kind of what you get
[50:00] magnified back to you do you think that the ranch
[50:03] feeds on people's emotions and their state of
[50:06] mind when they come it magnifies it yeah it magnifies
[50:09] it i don't know that it feeds on it um i know
[50:12] that that like with me over the years uh When
[50:15] I was kind of going through my period of time
[50:19] here where I was just angry all the time and
[50:22] just feeling very ferocious, yeah, it did more
[50:27] than take that energy and feed it back to me
[50:30] by putting all these grays out here and having
[50:34] them kind of do battle with me. They took it
[50:37] out on my wife. They took it out on the animals.
[50:39] It was an absolute war zone. It was just horrible.
[50:43] So I think it's, again, it's kind of like a big
[50:46] mirror. A reflective mirror that amplifies whatever
[50:53] you use, whatever image you shine in it. Yeah.
[50:58] OK, thank you for that. As our podcast is about
[51:03] UFOs, alien, but also paranormal, do you think
[51:08] that spirits and the paranormal as a whole Do
[51:13] you think they are part of the sort of alien
[51:17] phenomena, I say alien, but alien phenomena as
[51:21] a whole? Do you think they are one and the same
[51:23] thing or do you think spirits are the dead or
[51:27] what do you think? I think that what happens
[51:31] is that there's different dimensions and I think
[51:35] what happens is that, you know, normally speaking,
[51:39] normal everyday life is 3D. here on Earth and
[51:44] what happens is that when you die, you go 4D
[51:49] and maybe go further. And I think what happens
[51:52] is that there are certain places these portals
[51:55] open up and it allows things to enter that are
[52:00] 4D, maybe 5D, maybe 6D. And so we have interactions.
[52:06] And so our experiences, for the most part, 50
[52:11] to 100 years ago, they were pretty much strictly
[52:14] 3D. And spiritually speaking, you had people
[52:18] that would have striking experiences. And so
[52:24] you only had a few of those kind of people. And
[52:26] because the communication system wasn't well
[52:29] -developed, you only heard about them locally.
[52:31] I think now that because we have the internet
[52:34] and we have the ability to do research and we
[52:36] have the ability to be able to kind of span the
[52:40] globe and be world travelers. I think we're having
[52:44] a lot more different types of interaction and
[52:47] a lot more just normal, regular people are starting
[52:50] to be exposed to this and they're opening themselves
[52:53] up to some of it. And I think in some cases,
[52:56] because they're curious, that they're inviting
[52:59] some of these things to come in and deal with
[53:01] them directly, that in the past that never would
[53:04] have happened. And so I tell people, You've got
[53:07] to be really careful about what you want to ask
[53:09] for. I get people all the time that say, oh,
[53:13] I wish I had your life. It's so cool. And I go,
[53:15] no, it really isn't that cool. It's really a
[53:18] pain in the ass. You've got to be really careful
[53:20] because you can do stuff and not even know you're
[53:23] doing it and have terrible experiences. And you
[53:26] brought them on yourself. But you won't know
[53:28] that because nobody talks about any kind of protocols
[53:32] or rules or procedures or anything else about
[53:35] how to deal with all this stuff. You know, I
[53:37] mean, we get people, you know, tripping out all
[53:39] over the world, you know, taking people on these
[53:41] little adventures and selling them for TV and
[53:44] things like that. Some of them are real. Some
[53:46] of them are fake. But, you know, there's no real
[53:49] instructions to people about, you know, how to
[53:51] deal with it. You know, you go to somebody in
[53:53] a church and they say, oh, it's all devils. It's
[53:55] all Luciferian. It's all this side or the other.
[53:58] Well, you know, I'm sure things cross over. I'm
[54:01] sure there's, you know, gray areas. There's dark
[54:03] areas. There's light areas. There's all sorts
[54:06] of things. But, you know, ET does not need, I
[54:10] mean, if he's, you know, if ET, whatever version
[54:13] you want to talk about is, you know, some kind
[54:16] of devil, then why in the hell did they need
[54:19] a spaceship? You know, it just doesn't make any
[54:22] sense. There's so many contradictions. And there's
[54:25] so much at the common sense level, that if you
[54:28] think about some of these things, you can answer
[54:30] your own questions. You don't need somebody like
[54:32] me even to answer them. It's just, we don't know
[54:36] a whole lot about this. If you went back 200
[54:39] years, 300 years ago and brought some of the
[54:42] simplest technology there is and showed it to
[54:45] them, they'd be like, oh my God, you guys are
[54:48] devils, you're spirits, you're angels, you could
[54:52] be anything. And it's purely because of the cultural
[54:56] ignorance that people have. I mean, to somebody
[55:00] that... you know interacts with somebody that's
[55:03] from two or three hundred years in the future
[55:05] those people seem like they're magical beings
[55:08] and you know we we have done that to ourselves
[55:11] in a way i mean some of these things are government
[55:14] projects that have been brought on us uh you
[55:16] know montauk uh you know the philadelphia experiment
[55:20] uh you know various different things that have
[55:22] happened those things are real and you know those
[55:26] are literally energy portals, very large energy
[55:30] portals and projects that started and have introduced
[55:35] things. They've opened up the ability to travel
[55:39] between different dimensions. And we're reaping
[55:43] the harvest of some of that now. I just wanted
[55:46] to go back to an earlier point that you made.
[55:48] You said when you have these meetings with the
[55:51] Palladian race, you are working to create get
[55:56] a message out to better humanity just give us
[55:59] some more detail on what that is involved what
[56:02] you're actually doing to help or what the plans
[56:04] are to get this message out well over the years
[56:09] um a long time ago i had a situation in my living
[56:14] room where i had an opportunity to sit down with
[56:17] three different races and as strange as this
[56:21] sounds because of all the weird stuff that was
[56:24] happening on the ranch one night or actually
[56:27] over a few nights, I sat down and wrote a list
[56:29] of 100 questions I would ask if I ever had the
[56:32] time to sit down and talk to a real bonafide
[56:35] ET from the future or one that had advanced knowledge
[56:39] of technology. Because I started saying to myself,
[56:43] what good is all this if you don't have something
[56:47] that you can actually physically get something
[56:49] out of this? And I said to myself, well, the
[56:53] best information, the best knowledge, the best
[56:57] insights you can get. Now that is something that
[57:00] is going to be valuable forever. I mean, some
[57:03] people are like, hey, give me a gold brick or
[57:06] big diamond or something that I can cash in and
[57:09] live off the rest of my life. I wasn't interested
[57:12] in anything like that. I wanted knowledge. I
[57:14] wanted something to be able to cure disease or
[57:18] to create unlimited power or to be able to create
[57:24] technology that would allow us to be able to
[57:27] heal people. And so those are the kind of questions
[57:30] I asked. And sure enough, we got the information.
[57:34] We actually had a couple of individuals stay
[57:37] with us here on the ranch for six months. And
[57:40] they literally built examples of some of this
[57:44] technology. They built what we call a med bed.
[57:47] And that med bed could cure just about anything
[57:49] there was. they ended up building a generator
[57:53] that was the size of a microwave that could provide
[57:56] enough power to run all of Buckeye, which is
[58:00] the second city largest mass area in Arizona.
[58:04] Most people don't know that. They think it's
[58:05] Phoenix and then Tucson and so on. But it really
[58:08] isn't. Buckeye, from a physical standpoint, is
[58:11] the second largest city in Arizona. So we've
[58:14] had all sorts of various different things that
[58:16] have been shown to us and taught to us. So you
[58:19] say that you had this med bed built in your property.
[58:24] Where's that now? Has it still been used? Have
[58:26] you shared that? When they left, they went back
[58:30] up to Las Vegas, Nevada, and they took it with
[58:34] them. And they actually, it's a very long story,
[58:40] but they started trying to bring out the technology,
[58:44] not just that technology, but a whole bunch of
[58:47] different things all at once. And with the idea
[58:52] that they were going to create a bank, a financial
[58:55] bank, so that they would have enough money to
[58:56] be able to do kind of the stuff that I want to
[58:59] do. But they tried to do it directly by producing
[59:03] it themselves. And they got in all sorts of trouble
[59:08] and ended up disappearing. I don't know what
[59:11] happened to the technology. It was in a warehouse.
[59:14] It probably, I imagine it got confiscated by
[59:17] somebody. but I've had no contact with either
[59:20] of those individuals now in probably seven or
[59:23] eight years. I don't even know if they're alive
[59:25] anymore. Cool thank you for sharing that. It's
[59:28] been a real privilege talking to you John. Can
[59:31] I do a PR for my book? Yeah go ahead. We have
[59:36] a book out and it tells all this information
[59:39] and a great deal more plus it puts it in Various
[59:43] different contexts gives examples of you know,
[59:46] there's there's evidence in there that there's
[59:48] links to other things that are evidence It's
[59:52] appropriately called Stardust Ranch the incredible
[59:55] true story and it is available on Amazon and
[1:00:01] you know if people make a donation to Our trust
[1:00:05] funds here at the ranch to go ahead and put into
[1:00:08] the trust to do all the good work. We want to
[1:00:10] do I'll be happy to actually buy a copy of the
[1:00:13] book and sign it for you and send it to you directly.
[1:00:16] I should tell you, I should tell you, I actually,
[1:00:19] as a real person, you know, very few people that
[1:00:22] are personalities in the paranormal world will
[1:00:24] actually give you their email so that people
[1:00:26] can get hold of them and ask questions directly.
[1:00:30] I treat everybody, you know, just like I'm a
[1:00:32] regular person. So if anybody wants to reach
[1:00:35] me, they can reach me at John Edmonds, 411 at
[1:00:38] gmail .com. from any place in the world, and
[1:00:42] I will try to answer your questions. That's amazing.
[1:00:47] Thank you, John. Thank you so much for your time
[1:00:49] today. We really do appreciate it, and it's been
[1:00:52] extremely fascinating to speak to you and listen
[1:00:55] to the experiences you've had. So all the best,
[1:01:00] and we'll keep in touch. Yeah, please do. I invite
[1:01:05] everybody that has a a good heart that's positive
[1:01:09] that wants to be part of what we're trying to
[1:01:11] do to get hold of me and let's see what we can
[1:01:15] put together. The media and people that are doing
[1:01:20] shows, we would love to have some people that
[1:01:24] want to do a movie so that we could get this
[1:01:26] out on a bigger scale. Again, it's not about
[1:01:28] the money. I'm happy to give the money to our
[1:01:30] charity to feed the animals. All I want to do
[1:01:34] is get the message out there so that we can,
[1:01:36] you know, do more good work. That's what this
[1:01:39] is all about is good work.

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