# Spooky Britain: Haunted Places, Dark Tourism & a Sceptic’s Own Haunting | Peter Naldrett

An episode of [Pursuit of the Paranormal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1541466512), 6 Oct 2026, 1 h 04 min.

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Greg and Ash are joined by Peter Naldrett, author of Spooky Britain: The 100 Most Eerie and Mysterious Places to Visit, for a journey through some of Britain’s strangest locations, ghost stories and supernatural legends. Peter describes himself as a sceptic — but during his university days in Lancaster he experienced something he still struggles to explain. Mysterious black ash repeatedly appeared on his pillow before he eventually witnessed the substance apparently materialising above him and falling onto his desk. Later experiences in the same house included moving curtains and the terrifying sensation of an unseen presence approaching his bedroom. That experience changed the way Peter thinks about paranormal testimony and ultimately forms part of the story behind Spooky Britain. We explore the process of choosing 100 locations from across Britain and hear stories involving haunted pubs, cursed objects, castles, prisons, theatres, witchcraft, Cannock Chase, nuclear bunkers, strange voices inside underground caverns and some of the country’s lesser-known supernatural legends. The conversation also explores dark tourism, whether paranormal stories are sometimes deliberately monetised, why some locations embrace their haunted reputations while others avoid them, and why Britain’s centuries of history have created such a rich landscape of ghosts, folklore and mystery. Spooky Britain by Peter Naldrett: Buy the book on Amazon UK Pursuit of the Paranormal: pursuitoftheparanormal.co.uk Pursuit of the Paranormal — Strange Places. Real Conversations. Got a strange story to tell us? Drop us a voicemail and it may appear on an up coming episode

## Transcript

[0:00] Hi Peter, how are you? Hi, really good. Thank
[0:04] you. Thanks for having me on Thanks for joining
[0:06] us. So we are going to talk to you today about
[0:08] your book spooky Britain, which is coming out
[0:11] on 24th of September But before we get to the
[0:16] book itself What we always like to do is when
[0:19] we chant someone is find out how you got to write
[0:23] in the book. So Would you be able to give us
[0:26] a bit of an origin story of yourself how? how
[0:29] you got into writing and what led you up to Spooky
[0:35] Bren. So my origin story is I'm from Sheffield.
[0:41] So I was born and raised in Sheffield, went to
[0:45] Lancaster for university, which there is sort
[0:48] of a link there to the book that the seed was
[0:52] sort of sown there in the 1990s. But we'll come
[0:56] back to that. Worked for a couple of years in
[1:00] Leeds on newspapers and continued in newspapers
[1:05] but I always knew that I wanted to be a teacher
[1:08] so I ended up being a geography teacher as well
[1:12] and then managed somehow to blend the teaching
[1:16] by going part -time and doing travel writing
[1:19] as well. So that's the sort of origin story as
[1:25] my background really is a blend of teaching and
[1:29] um writing yeah um both sort of i guess influenced
[1:34] by a love of travel and geography because they're
[1:38] all travel books um and we arrive at spooky britain
[1:43] which is actually book number 24 i think so um
[1:48] there's quite a few i've been gone before um
[1:51] but this one i am particularly excited about
[1:54] i've really enjoyed writing it um with the other
[1:58] books I can't really decide an actual point that
[2:06] I decided, right, that would be a really good
[2:08] idea for a book. But with this one I can. So
[2:12] the sort of origin story for the book, if you
[2:15] like, goes back to 2024. And we were in Paris
[2:20] and we were there to watch the Olympics in 2024.
[2:26] on one day when we didn't have tickets we went
[2:29] to the catacombs the Paris catacombs which are
[2:33] amazing and full of old bones and skulls and
[2:38] everything and in the gift shop we saw a book
[2:44] about dark tourism and that sort of triggered
[2:50] conversations with me and my kids about whether
[2:55] it was okay, whether that book was okay to actually
[2:58] write. And it came from that conversation, the
[3:03] idea that well actually I think there's a good
[3:07] book in, we have so much history in Britain,
[3:10] there's a good book in Spooky Britain to investigate
[3:14] all the sort of places linked with paranormal
[3:19] activity in our country. But that sort of starting
[3:25] point about dark tourism was important for me
[3:28] because we decided to leave all that out actually
[3:34] and then we sort of had a debate about what is
[3:38] dark tourism and how does it have to be something
[3:41] that's recent or are you okay doing sort of macabre
[3:45] things from the past so there was that sort of
[3:48] like there's almost like a philosophical thing
[3:50] really about what to include in the in the book
[3:52] Spooky Britain Is it okay for example to have
[3:56] battle sites in it and battlefields if they're
[3:58] sort of linked with the ghostly activity? So
[4:03] yeah, there were some events, there were some
[4:05] things in the book that we didn't actually make
[4:08] it that we left out. But I do find that quite
[4:12] interesting, the whole dark tourism. There's
[4:16] some people on sort of Instagram and TikTok with
[4:19] quite big followers for that. and I do find some
[4:22] of it a little bit uncomfortable. So when we
[4:28] talk about dark tourism, just to be clear, is
[4:30] that like we're talking about deaths and sort
[4:33] of like crimes and stuff being committed and
[4:35] that's like people visiting these places? Well,
[4:39] I think dark tourism for me is like things that
[4:46] I would argue shouldn't be tourism. No, I'm wrong
[4:51] there. it's tourism because people are going
[4:54] on them sort of visiting on holiday. It's sort
[4:58] of the kind of place where you wouldn't necessarily
[5:01] want to take a selfie of you smiling and putting
[5:04] it on Instagram is what I say. So in this book
[5:08] Auschwitz was in it and the Hillsborough Stadium
[5:14] was in it because of the Hillsborough disaster
[5:17] and I would argue that that was too uncomfortable
[5:22] for me to put in the book, sort of advocating
[5:26] people go to these places and have fun, basically,
[5:31] because the book, what I've tried to put together
[5:36] is 100 places where people go and can maybe get
[5:40] a chill or two, but actually have fun there.
[5:43] And there were some places that I would categorize
[5:47] as dark stories and that that they're not places
[5:49] to go and have fun basically. They might be places
[5:51] to go and learn or to become educated or to find
[5:54] out about history, but you wouldn't necessarily
[5:57] put it down as fun. Does that make sense? Yeah,
[6:04] I think like when you mentioned Auschwitz, that's
[6:08] really, it's one of them places. It's a tourist
[6:13] place to go, but not necessarily a tourist place
[6:18] to go as well. If you're taking photographs and
[6:21] that, it's quite... Yeah, like you say. I've
[6:25] been to Auschwitz twice. Once before kids and
[6:28] once when I took my kids. Both times it was exactly
[6:33] the same experience in that and the only place
[6:38] I've been that is like that. In the minute you
[6:42] go in, you're in a group and you're going around
[6:44] in a group. Nobody speaks. It is so sort of shocking.
[6:51] that this sort of thing happened in like recent
[6:54] history. Just nobody speaks. And you're just
[6:59] shocked and sort of bewildered by everything.
[7:03] And having come out of that, there's no way I'd
[7:06] smile like some TikTok influencer and do the
[7:10] V sign and pull a pose and do a selfie. But I
[7:14] have seen them. I have seen people do that. And
[7:17] I think that's quite shocking. So from the outset.
[7:21] That's what sort of fueled the, uh, debate, if
[7:23] you like, about what to include. And, um, it
[7:26] was decided to give all that a very, very wide
[7:29] berth, I think. Yeah. Oh, that's fair enough.
[7:35] So kind of before we got onto more of the book.
[7:37] So all your previous books are like more travel
[7:39] based. I can tell you I have a love for Britain.
[7:41] Uh, they were obviously amazing places to go
[7:44] out and feed us in your books. So this book is
[7:47] paranormal. And so is, have you got a history
[7:50] of paranormal? Have you got any sort of? interesting
[7:52] there before this book or sort of growing up?
[7:54] Yeah. So I mean, I would class myself as a skeptic.
[8:02] I would. But I have had an experience which I
[8:09] sort of hinted at earlier, which was when I was
[8:11] at university in Lancaster, which was terrifying.
[8:19] And I sort of still now, all these years later,
[8:26] because it was sort of 1993, 94, I have trouble
[8:30] trying to process that and what happened. And
[8:36] I'm feeling quite sort of funny talking about
[8:39] it, actually, because I haven't talked about
[8:40] it much. In fact, I'd say, well, I'd said I haven't
[8:44] given an interview about it before. Yeah, it
[8:49] was it was sort of an eye opening. experience
[8:54] and I would say that before that I was definitely
[9:00] skeptical about everything I mean everybody loves
[9:02] a good girl story so if somebody was saying oh
[9:05] they've had this and that experience you raise
[9:08] a trick up and you'd be like oh you'd find it
[9:10] interesting but I'm not sure whether I saw any
[9:14] had a real sort of belief in it but yeah definitely
[9:20] did after what happened in my student house which
[9:25] was on Oldswater Road in Lancaster and that all
[9:32] came about sort of in a backdrop of like getting
[9:37] involved and really liking the X -Files at the
[9:39] time everybody was watching that and it was definitely
[9:42] on the rise as like a topic that people were
[9:46] talking about back then. But yeah we were in
[9:51] this sort of terraced house and a number of things
[9:57] happened during the course of the year. The weirdest
[10:03] one for me was this sort of dark ash that kept
[10:09] appearing in my bedroom. I don't know if you
[10:12] guys have ever come across anything like that
[10:14] before. So I'd leave the room in the morning
[10:22] off to lectures. And when I came back, there
[10:27] would be, in the indent in my pillow where my
[10:31] head was, there would be like this black ash.
[10:36] That's what I describe it as, it's sort of, it
[10:40] was just like smudges on the pillow. You'd wash
[10:43] the pillow, it'd come again, it'd happen again.
[10:48] Even though it was the 90s and I was like using
[10:51] excessive amounts of hair gel, it wasn't that.
[10:55] I can't describe what it actually was the only
[10:59] thing that I could think of at the time and it
[11:01] happened many times was that there was a the
[11:05] only thing that could have been there was a plant
[11:08] at the other side of the room that had soil in
[11:11] it but then you're sort of like well how has
[11:13] that moved seven or eight meters to actually
[11:17] land on the pillow but then later on I was sat
[11:23] at my desk and I was writing a letter as we used
[11:26] to back in the day to put a stamp on it and put
[11:29] it in the postbox and as I was writing the letter
[11:33] this ash started just materializing above me
[11:39] and it sounds ridiculous but it was it was materializing
[11:44] above my head and falling onto the desk so I
[11:47] stand on the chair and I have a good look around
[11:49] and try to make sense of what it is and I can
[11:55] remember writing the letter because I had been
[11:58] talking to this person before about and I had
[12:01] explained about over a series of weeks and months
[12:04] this ash appearing on the pillowcase and I remember
[12:09] it landed on the letter and I smudged the letter
[12:12] and actually wrote on it this is the ash that
[12:15] I've been talking about it's just falling from
[12:17] above me and there it was I stood on a chair
[12:21] couldn't find any source of it and it just kept
[12:23] coming down and I've not met or talked to anybody
[12:27] that's had that kind of experience before with
[12:31] this sort of black ash. When I look it up on
[12:36] the internet there is some mention of it being
[12:40] linked to when there's a high sort of spiritual
[12:43] presence in the room. Later on in that it wasn't
[12:51] an intimidating or Oppressive feeling now. It
[12:56] was it was It was just I was just curious and
[13:00] it was sort of unusual. I wasn't scared by anything
[13:03] like that I'll have a later one in the year a
[13:08] Couple of things did happen in that room that
[13:11] were a little bit more sort of scary. So I was
[13:14] just I was in bed and the curtains opened and
[13:19] I was sort of drawn to this there was like a
[13:22] lamp post outside and and I was sort of drawn
[13:25] to it becoming more light and the curtains had
[13:28] opened, which was like more scary. And then there
[13:33] was another occasion when I was asleep, well
[13:36] I was in bed, I don't know if I was asleep or
[13:38] not, I can't remember. Nobody else was in the
[13:40] house and I felt this, I just can't explain it
[13:46] really. It was like an electrical, sometimes
[13:50] you're sort of aware that before you go into
[13:52] a room that the television's on, and you can
[13:55] sort of sense that electrical presence but coming
[14:01] up the attic stairs I just sensed that there
[14:05] was a presence there coming up the stairs and
[14:08] I could feel it coming up and then being outside
[14:11] the door and that was actually terrifying and
[14:18] I was like extremely scared. and then other people
[14:23] came back in the house and it disappeared. And
[14:29] after that I sort of spent I think the last term
[14:35] of that year trying desperately not to be in
[14:40] the house on my own and I would go and visit
[14:43] friends and sort of walk around town if I came
[14:45] back early rather than go back. So yeah, that's
[14:51] an experience that I had that has really obviously
[14:57] stuck with me and sort of influenced, I talk
[14:59] about it in the introduction to the book, but
[15:04] time is a funny thing in that the further away
[15:09] I am from that incident without experiencing
[15:14] other things you sort of become a little bit
[15:16] more skeptical again and although you've had
[15:21] that experience the further away you are from
[15:25] it, it becomes a little detached to it, I think.
[15:32] Yeah. Did anybody else that you were living with
[15:35] at the time, did they say they'd experienced
[15:38] anything? Yeah, but not as much. There were smaller
[15:45] things like the TV coming on in the middle of
[15:49] the night and things. Things as a skeptic, I
[15:53] would. have, you know, explained away in other
[15:57] things, but certainly that was the, for me, the
[16:03] sort of the biggest incidence in that house.
[16:08] I don't know, I've been past it since. Very tempted
[16:12] to knock on the door, but you sort of don't want
[16:14] to. You sort of say, do I want to sort of, oh,
[16:20] you know that this is the haunted house, don't
[16:22] you? And I'm not sure if it's a student house
[16:25] anymore. It might be like a family house. So
[16:27] I've sort of stopped myself from just knocking
[16:29] on the door and being curious and saying, anything
[16:31] weird happened here? Because, yeah, you don't
[16:35] want to sort of ruin it for them. I think maybe
[16:38] it has, I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe they're
[16:41] thinking, I wonder if anybody else has had an
[16:44] experience. Yeah, yeah. I think if I'm not mistaken,
[16:48] Ash, the... 30 strive part of the history at
[16:53] 30 strive. They had hash coming down. I was going
[16:57] to say the only thing I can think of similar
[16:59] is 30 drive. That was like a white powder. Yeah.
[17:02] I kind of like just appeared above him and then
[17:05] dropped. That's in Pontefract not too far away.
[17:08] Um, just sort of them one a little bit. Um, that's
[17:11] only one I could kind of think of similar is
[17:13] that was more like a white powder than the dark
[17:15] ash, but it's still the same kind of a powdery
[17:17] substance that kind of just materialized and
[17:19] just fell. from the sky, effectively, inside.
[17:24] Oh, that's interesting. That's strange. Yeah,
[17:28] it was sort of... My sort of reaction at the
[17:32] time was just sort of normalised it. It's really
[17:36] weird. But you listen to these podcasts about
[17:40] people who've had these experiences and you're
[17:44] sort of driving in your car thinking, why are
[17:46] you still living there? Why are you putting up
[17:49] with this? but you sort of normalize it as you
[17:52] as you as you're living through it and of course
[17:54] as a student i didn't have the resources to suddenly
[17:59] oh i'm going to move out and rent another place
[18:02] so you are stuck with it uh but but yeah it was
[18:07] it did become a normal part of like the weekly
[18:11] routine to come back that ashes there again but
[18:15] that was the strangest thing when it started
[18:16] just falling from a different point it was falling
[18:20] above my pillow onto the pillar but then the
[18:23] the desk was um sort of a few meters away and
[18:27] um yeah it was just just falling falling from
[18:29] there as well really strange really strange yeah
[18:33] that is strange it's um i get why your description
[18:38] about the electricity as well you could sense
[18:41] sense something like when you walk into a room
[18:43] in a tv you can tell a tv's on yeah that's that's
[18:48] a good way of describing it because it's it feels
[18:52] i know what what you're saying there you you
[18:54] get that a change of atmosphere yeah you know
[18:58] it's there you know something's there uh you
[19:02] don't know what but you just something was there
[19:07] um and it had a it had a presence and you could
[19:12] feel this presence coming up the stairs and you
[19:15] could feel it outside the door just waiting there
[19:20] and you can't explain it i can't explain what
[19:23] it was or how it was moving or anything about
[19:27] it but it was there and it was sort of you know
[19:34] there's gonna be skeptical people out there saying
[19:36] well you don't really know and i get that i get
[19:40] that and i can't explain and i can't prove it
[19:44] but um if you if you've experienced it then And
[19:51] I'm not really bothered what other people think
[19:53] about it. It was very real. We find that people's...
[20:04] The paranormal can be very personal. We hear
[20:11] a lot of things from people. People tell a story
[20:13] similar to this. And then people will go, well,
[20:18] did it happen? Was it just something else? But
[20:22] for that person, that experience has happened.
[20:26] Like you just said, it doesn't matter if anybody
[20:28] believes you or not. That's what happened to
[20:30] you. And the paranormal is super, super personal.
[20:36] I feel we go out a lot, me and Ash and we go
[20:40] out with my partner and her sister. We go all
[20:43] sorts of places and we can have different experiences.
[20:49] So the girls will be in one place. and have a
[20:52] weird experience. Me and Ash are going to the
[20:54] same place after them. Nothing can happen. Yeah,
[20:59] yeah. Or something very different will happen.
[21:03] It's not for anybody else to say to you, for
[21:09] example, it didn't happen, or it's this, or it's
[21:11] that, or it could have just been somebody walking
[21:13] outside the room that you weren't aware of. It's
[21:18] your experience and it's... Yeah. And I think
[21:21] that... And it's clearly had a profound effect
[21:24] on you. When you're recounting it, you can tell
[21:28] that you sound baffled by it still, which I get.
[21:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah. But one thing, if that experience
[21:37] has taught me anything, it's to not discount
[21:42] anything that people say, really. I can still
[21:48] describe being a little bit more skeptical as
[21:52] time distances itself from that experience. But
[21:56] if somebody was to relay a story and say, you
[21:59] know, this happened, that has helped me not to
[22:05] just sort of rule that out and to listen and
[22:08] have, well, it's about having a more open mind,
[22:10] I think. Well, the thing is, nobody else was
[22:13] there. Nobody else. knows what happened for all
[22:17] of us. We've all had experiences, me and Ash
[22:19] have had experiences. And then we recount that
[22:22] to other people. And you can sometimes they go,
[22:26] well, was it this? Was it that? No, it wasn't.
[22:30] It wasn't. This is what happened. I'm telling
[22:33] you what happened. And at the end of the day,
[22:36] like, we've had some mad experiences where Ash
[22:39] lives, we've had some mad experiences in the
[22:41] basement. And you tell people about it, we got
[22:44] some of it on camera as well. and I'm sure people
[22:47] don't believe us and it's just I don't know I
[22:51] don't know what the fuck to say to you yeah I
[22:54] guess as long as I don't know as long as you're
[22:59] okay with it and having your own knowledge and
[23:04] sort of sound mind that it happened and it took
[23:07] place like you say it was bothered about if people
[23:13] don't believe it one thing that we're not going
[23:15] to do is just suddenly persuade people that all
[23:20] these things are sort of true or just all at
[23:22] once. That's not going to happen. But yeah, you're
[23:27] right. And so it hit the nail on the head there
[23:29] that it's down to sort of the individual experience.
[23:34] Another thing that happened while I was writing
[23:37] this book, not to me, but... I was in the peak
[23:42] districts and sort of doing some research and
[23:46] just visiting places that were said to be haunted
[23:49] and we went inside one of the caverns at Castleton
[23:54] and it was off season so it was a very small
[23:59] tour group there were me and a couple of Italian
[24:05] people in the 20s just the three of us a tour
[24:09] guide and we went right to the end of the cavern
[24:14] and the Italian woman you could see that something
[24:19] had bothered her right and she asked the guide
[24:25] if it was haunted there and the guy sort of brushed
[24:31] it aside and no don't worry about it I can't
[24:37] hear anything that kind of thing got back he
[24:41] brought us back And then he brought it up again
[24:45] and did the guide and said, what was it that
[24:49] you heard? And she said, like little children.
[24:53] And then it came out that actually it'd been
[24:57] instructed not to mention the ghost right at
[25:00] the end of the cavern when everyone might go
[25:02] into a big panic and it might lead to some sort
[25:04] of incident. But then he sort of talks about
[25:10] it all at the end saying, yeah, we do get quite
[25:13] a lot of people. who have experienced that. And
[25:16] again, it was somebody's individual experience.
[25:20] I heard nothing, but she was visibly shaken by
[25:26] that. And you sort of thought, when you were
[25:32] at the end of the cavern and she'd raised it,
[25:36] what's she on about? That kind of thing. And
[25:39] when it was sort of, oh yeah, yeah, this does
[25:43] happen quite a lot. And it is children sort of
[25:48] playing or just making a noise. It was like,
[25:52] whoa, that, you know, a proper sort of what's
[25:56] just happened sort of thing. So that was another,
[25:59] as I was doing the research, something that happened.
[26:03] And again, you can't rule that out. You can't
[26:06] suddenly say, oh, she's making it up or it didn't
[26:10] happen. It clearly did. Moving on now to the
[26:17] book. So obviously your experience was 30 odd
[26:20] years ago, now back in the student com and your
[26:25] book is coming out very soon, 24th September.
[26:29] What kind of places? So it's called Spooky Britain
[26:31] and it's the hundred most eerie and mysterious
[26:35] places to visit. So talk us through some of the
[26:38] types of places that you talk about in the book.
[26:42] It was a very, very difficult task to come up
[26:45] with a hundred places that would... I mean, and
[26:48] anybody who's sort of into this could sit down
[26:51] and come up with a different hundred things.
[26:54] I totally get that. So there's going to be people
[26:56] who look at this and say, oh, it's so -and -so,
[26:58] isn't it? Well, no, it's not, because I'd not
[27:01] heard of that at the time. And like writing any
[27:04] book that's a guidebook, as you're going through,
[27:09] you come across other things. that you'd never
[27:11] heard of before and think, oh, that's really
[27:14] good, that's got to go in. So out of the hundred,
[27:16] I probably ended up writing about 115 chapters
[27:20] and then choosing like the best ones to go in
[27:24] it. So it split up into different regions. And
[27:29] what I've tried to do is there are some things
[27:33] in there that, you know, for the hardcore ghost
[27:38] hunter. if they wanted to they could go and sort
[27:43] of they do ghost hunting things in an evening
[27:45] that kind of thing so those type of things are
[27:48] in it but also at the other end there are some
[27:53] like more like family things that people could
[27:57] do and that are sort of like harmless fun sort
[28:02] of thing they've got like a lot of it's to do
[28:04] with with history and the sort of rumours of
[28:08] ghosts in the past. Or maybe it's just that something's
[28:13] a little bit creepy and it might give people
[28:16] a bit of a chill if they go and look around it.
[28:19] So I'm just looking at the contents. If I can
[28:22] sort of summarise, there are some pubs in there.
[28:25] You could write a book on haunted pubs. We're
[28:30] doing a series on haunted. doing a haunted pub
[28:33] call from, we've started in Scotland a couple
[28:35] of years ago. We've been doing it down in England.
[28:40] We've done some whales. You would not believe
[28:43] the amount of haunted toilets there are. Have
[28:47] you been to the flask in London? We haven't got
[28:51] that far yet. No. Okay. What about Nottingham?
[28:57] Ye Olde Trix of Jerusalem is the one in Nottingham
[29:03] that sort of is like famed. I mean, a lot of
[29:08] them will claim to be the most haunted pub in
[29:10] England. They all claim to be. But that was quite
[29:16] interesting going on there. Again, didn't experience
[29:20] anything myself, but you sort of read the accounts
[29:22] as to what's happened. And there are numerous
[29:28] examples of people feeding a figure in black
[29:30] that is just drinking at the bar, basically,
[29:36] but is sort of not like a living human. And there's
[29:42] a couple of white punters who used to be regulars
[29:48] in the pub who were still going in there to drink.
[29:51] But I think the most interesting thing in that
[29:54] pub was the cursed galleon. and it's this old
[29:59] ship that's in this, it's in a glass box and
[30:06] the legend that has been passed down the decades
[30:08] is that some horrible fate will fall upon you
[30:14] if you dust the cursed galleon. So there's been
[30:20] numerous, well two or three instances of people
[30:24] becoming severely ill and even dying after they've
[30:27] had the audacity to get the ship out and actually
[30:30] give it a clean. So this galleon is on the wall
[30:35] in its sort of glass case, extremely dusty, like
[30:40] with thick cobwebs on it. And yeah, that's quite
[30:44] an interesting little story that they've got
[30:47] going on there. I wasn't going to volunteer to
[30:49] get it out and clean it. I love those kind of
[30:53] stories where it seems like nobody really knows
[30:57] where the story come from, but it's just become
[31:00] a thing and it will never, never not be a thing.
[31:04] That's right. Yeah. Cause nobody, I sort of wanted
[31:07] to introduce it in my house just to sort of stop
[31:10] dusting. But you think somebody's, it's got to
[31:15] such an extent now that everybody will go, that's
[31:20] bullshit. Yeah. But nobody will want to clean
[31:23] it. You're not going to risk it. I'm not going
[31:26] to try, just in case. So aside from the pubs,
[31:33] we've got some castles in there. They're sort
[31:36] of a hotbed, aren't they, for ghostly activity.
[31:42] There's some theatres, actually, in there too.
[31:46] And I noticed that several theatres do... ghost
[31:50] tours now, including the Lyceum in Sheffield.
[31:53] But I've also included the Royal Shakespeare
[31:58] Theatre in Stratford, and there's one of the
[32:01] theatres in the West End in there as well. And
[32:03] that links into hauntings that have taken place.
[32:09] It's the Theatre Royal in Drury Lane. And I think
[32:12] going back, there's some argument with two of
[32:15] the actors, and one of them stabbed one of the
[32:17] others in the 19th century. and that actor is
[32:20] meant to be sort of haunting the stage there
[32:24] but also the theatre is really wrapped up in
[32:28] a lot of superstition as well so that was quite
[32:32] interesting exploring that and finding that sort
[32:36] of side to it as well we've got some graveyards
[32:41] in there as well but some prisons as well There's
[32:48] quite a few prisons now, old prisons that are
[32:51] no longer used as a prison, that do tours. Shrewsbury?
[32:59] Shrewsbury's in there, yeah. And Oxford as well.
[33:05] Yeah, I've done a ghost hunt there, Milly as
[33:10] well. Yeah, so Oxford prisons in there as well.
[33:14] and half of it's a hotel now isn't it as well
[33:17] so yeah it's nice hotel as well yeah yeah so
[33:20] that's um again another side uh of it one thing
[33:26] that i did get really interested in um as i was
[33:30] doing this is sort of like the monetization of
[33:35] the paranormal which i think is really really
[33:39] interesting um how they're all literally hundreds,
[33:45] probably thousands of people who are earning
[33:48] a living and doing a job which in some way relies
[33:53] upon legends or myths or like the paranormal.
[33:58] And I found that really interesting as well,
[34:02] how some places and some businesses are willing
[34:04] to embrace that and others don't want anything
[34:07] to do with it. And it might be a pub, it might
[34:11] be a hotel, in some cases. even a cafe, some
[34:17] of the owners are really, really willing to embrace
[34:20] that and see that as a monetary opportunity.
[34:23] And others maybe, for their own reasons, don't
[34:26] want to encourage it. So I think that was quite
[34:30] an interesting spin on that. The amount of money
[34:36] some of these places charge for actually going,
[34:41] like you private hire stuff out? Yeah. Some places
[34:45] like thousands, like hundreds and hundreds to
[34:48] do a six, six hours. Yeah. We don't really do
[34:54] public ones. We pay like 40, 50 quid a person
[34:57] and there's like 20, 30 people or whatever. We're
[35:00] always private high places. So it was like just
[35:02] the four of us. It's like, obviously just a lot
[35:04] more expensive when you're doing it that way.
[35:07] But yeah, some of the, some places are really
[35:09] good value. Uh, places, some places can literally
[35:13] be charger. I paid 60 quid to have to place myself
[35:16] from 8 PM to 8 AM. Um, probably hide it out.
[35:20] Other places charge a 400 pounds for six hours.
[35:25] So, so definitely, uh, it's definitely some monetary,
[35:28] uh, and obviously they will embrace it a bit
[35:31] more when they think they're gonna get a bit
[35:34] more from bumping it up a little bit in terms
[35:38] of how haunted places might be. Yeah, yeah. Other
[35:43] places that we've got in there include, well,
[35:46] there's quite a lot of sort of outdoor places
[35:49] like in nature. Truffle rig stone circle in Keswick
[35:56] is in there. Have you heard of the Claife Crier
[36:00] at Windermere? That is actually on the map, that
[36:07] ghost. There's a ghost called the Claife Crier.
[36:10] and it's on the OS map and was put on there 100
[36:16] years ago when they were doing the maps. That
[36:20] is a legend that is linked to a monk who had
[36:28] a fallout. There was a murder, I think, involved
[36:32] and there was, particularly during the 19th century.
[36:38] these wailings that were heard from this area
[36:41] of the woodland. And when this happened, legend
[36:46] says that strange things sort of befell the ferrymen
[36:49] who were taking people from one side of the Windermere
[36:52] to the other. And when this noise was heard,
[36:55] some people, some ferrymen, just refused to go
[36:59] out on the boats. I guess with all the motorboats
[37:02] up there, it's probably not an issue anymore.
[37:04] You can't hear yourself think. But that was quite
[37:08] interesting. Some people said it was the only
[37:13] ghost to be on a map, but then I did find another
[37:15] one in the Peak District. There's a hill called
[37:18] Lost Lad, which is also meant to be haunted,
[37:23] and Lost Lad is near the A57 and the Derwent
[37:28] reservoirs. It was a boy who got caught in a
[37:34] sort of snow blizzard in the 19th century and
[37:39] sadly died there. But again, people have sort
[37:42] of felt the spirits up there and the actual name
[37:48] of the hill now is Lost Lad. It's quite dark
[37:52] isn't it? It is a bit dark. Yeah, yeah. Again,
[37:57] another sort of category in the book. There's
[38:00] quite a lot of witch stuff in it. Witchcraft.
[38:05] So we've got the Witch Museum in Boscastle. Witchcraft
[38:12] and Magic Museum in Boscastle. There's also quite,
[38:17] and again, back to Oxford, the Pitt Rivers Museum.
[38:21] There's quite a lot in there. It's a fascinating
[38:24] place, isn't it? It looks like the sort of Indiana
[38:28] Jones storage place or something like that. yeah
[38:32] um but there's so much in there all about it's
[38:35] all about um anthropology and there's quite a
[38:39] lot of african like witch masks in there and
[38:42] things like that they did have um shrunken heads
[38:44] in there until they did they did used to go yeah
[38:48] it took ash we went there ash when you came down
[38:51] where the uh the dinosaurs were that's the pit
[38:54] rivers museum And there's now just a side explaining
[38:58] why the heads aren't there anymore. Cultural
[39:02] appropriation. Yeah, yeah. Which is, you know,
[39:06] all great, you know, it was probably a little
[39:10] bit too dark. But yeah, there's still quite a
[39:13] lot on there. I think it's there where there
[39:16] is a little trinket where there's actually said
[39:22] to be a screaming banshee inside it. Oh wow.
[39:25] And it was taken from a, or it was donated from
[39:28] a, if I remember rightly, somebody who was a
[39:35] witch in Kent who gave this little silver bottle.
[39:41] She said, the witch in Kent, said that there's
[39:47] a screaming banshee in here. Take it. You can
[39:51] have it in your museum. I'll have to check that
[39:54] out. It's one of them things again, isn't it?
[39:55] like yeah i didn't even know that off i'm not
[39:58] taking the lid off that thanks very much so just
[40:01] leave it behind the glass i've been in the pit
[40:03] rivers at the back to my partner and her kids
[40:06] as well i live around there and it doesn't quite
[40:11] do it for me compared to the dinosaur bones out
[40:13] front the shrunken heads always used to freak
[40:17] me out said be these be these little things and
[40:21] i'm just like oh my god that's proper dark There's
[40:29] so much in there you would you'd struggle to
[40:32] learn It's a cover at all another witch story
[40:37] up in Lancashire in a place called wood Plumpton
[40:41] and there was a woman who was called I think
[40:46] Meg Shelton was a name and She was like Well,
[40:52] it's really It's fascinating, it fascinates me.
[40:56] Having gone and lived in Lancaster doing university
[40:59] and stuff, you sort of got to know more about
[41:02] the Pendle Witches and you went to the place
[41:05] where they were tried and then sentenced and
[41:08] I used to live near the pub where they went in
[41:11] for the last drink on the way up to being hanged
[41:15] and that was very interesting and the whole witch
[41:19] hunt, the witch hunt sort of period is fascinating
[41:24] and you know King James and the writing of Macbeth
[41:29] and all that but if you were before that period
[41:34] or just after it and you were like what they
[41:37] used to call a cunning woman and the witch hunt
[41:41] wasn't on you were sort of more tolerated so
[41:44] this woman Meg Shelton lived after the period
[41:47] of the witch hunts and if she'd lived during
[41:49] that time she'd have been put on trial and hanged
[41:52] but she was sort of tolerated when people used
[41:58] to visit her to ask for favors if somebody became
[42:00] unwell and that and you know to curse on somebody
[42:08] or for good luck she had quite an unfortunate
[42:12] nickname she was called the filed hag so not
[42:15] particularly kind to her at the time but the
[42:18] story the interesting story is that they reckoned
[42:23] that after she was buried she came out of the
[42:29] grave to cause great mischief to the community
[42:31] and so they ended up reburying her first time
[42:38] I think making them a bit deeper but then eventually
[42:41] because things kept happening they dug her body
[42:43] up again and buried her vertically head down
[42:47] and put this massive boulder on top and this
[42:50] to stop her from getting out again and this,
[42:53] the boulder and sort of a little monument to
[42:57] her is in the churchyard still. That's really
[43:01] interesting. Before the witch hunt, you've got
[43:04] Old Mother Shipton. And again, it's seen as sort
[43:07] of like a Nostradamus figure, a soothsayer predicting
[43:12] the future. And again, if she was in this period
[43:15] of the witch hunt, she would have been put on
[43:18] trial and hanged, but instead left this legacy
[43:22] up in Nairsborough. So that's in there too. I've
[43:27] had such a good time going out. The other thing
[43:30] that's linked to that is a modern day thing.
[43:36] In Carlisle there's a cursing stone that has
[43:39] been put by a sculptor, I think the council patriot,
[43:47] and it's sort of a public work of art that's
[43:51] in the centre of Carlisle. And it links to a
[43:55] curse that was put on a family going back hundreds
[43:59] of years. And it was a curse that was said in
[44:02] churches to sort of stop interaction with this,
[44:08] like said to be a rogue family. People have gone,
[44:12] some people have gone crazy in Carlisle asking
[44:15] it to be removed, blaming it for all kinds of
[44:18] different things. Even Carlisle United had been
[44:21] relegated. uh was blamed on the cursing spiel
[44:24] yeah so uh it's funny how you know even today
[44:32] um a lot of people will get sort of you know
[44:36] wound up about um about those kind of mysteries
[44:40] and witchcraft and trickery yeah is there any
[44:44] sort of modern places that you wouldn't necessarily
[44:48] necessarily expect Yes. You mentioned a cafe,
[44:53] but those kind of... There was a cafe in, I think
[44:58] it was Canterbury, that had a haunted history
[45:03] that was involved there. But as a modern place,
[45:08] what I would really encourage people to go and
[45:12] look around for ultimate creepiness is nuclear
[45:17] bunkers. Okay, yeah, secret ones. Yes, secret.
[45:22] Hack Green? Sorry? Hack Green, is that on there?
[45:25] Hack Greens, yeah. There's one in Scotland as
[45:27] well. And there's Keldon Hatch as well, which
[45:31] is the big one where the British government would
[45:35] have gone. I really felt uncomfortable going
[45:42] around those places. I think it's something to
[45:47] do with, it'll be something to do with growing
[45:49] up in the 80s. background of Cold War and from
[45:54] Sheffield with the film Threads which for some
[45:59] reason it was acceptable for kids to watch at
[46:03] nine o 'clock on a Sunday when they're 10 years
[46:05] old or something and yeah that really like had
[46:10] an effect and I think going around those places
[46:14] there weren't many people visiting it. And yeah,
[46:20] you've read all this background stuff about how
[46:22] there were, you know, people that had experiences
[46:25] there. Extremely, extremely creepy and disturbing
[46:29] because it was designed for this horrendous,
[46:34] horrific alternate universe, wasn't it? Obviously,
[46:39] thankfully they've not been used, but it was
[46:43] that serious that... they spent millions of pounds
[46:46] actually creating them and it was a little bit
[46:48] you sort of heard about oh the government will
[46:50] go into a bunker and that but they actually were
[46:53] there it's uh with like three or four stories
[46:56] underground and and that really is very creepy
[46:59] i think the um it's interesting the hack green
[47:03] one i know where that is um there's signposts
[47:07] nearby that point there says secret nuclear bunker
[47:10] on the signpost There's quite a few signs around.
[47:14] I always hug to myself when I'm probing out that
[47:16] way. Don't tell anyone. The one in Essex is the
[47:22] entrance is rather cleverly disguised as a bungalow
[47:26] and it still looks like a bungalow and apparently
[47:32] all the people, the lorry drivers had to sign
[47:36] the Official Secrets Act. You couldn't see the
[47:41] bungalow from from the nearest road, but they
[47:44] they came in and Yeah, you have to walk through
[47:50] this bungalow and then suddenly Having gone through
[47:53] the door you hit these blast doors and a massive
[47:56] tunnel going down in underground. It's crazy.
[48:00] Yes this this might not be kind of under the
[48:10] spooky umbrellas, so there might not be anything,
[48:12] but just kind of from my interest, is there anything
[48:14] like kind of UFO or alien related? There isn't
[48:18] actually in the book, but I have written about
[48:22] that before as a journalist in Leeds. There's
[48:26] a few stories on the Addingham UFO sightings
[48:31] and experiences that people had had up near the
[48:35] American base up there. So I don't think there's
[48:39] anything in the book, uh, UFO wise, certainly,
[48:43] certainly an interest. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, uh,
[48:50] book two, a series. Yeah. Sequel. Spooky, spooky
[48:55] skies of Britain. Yeah. I've copyrighted that
[49:00] answer. So is there, um, so you mentioned a couple
[49:08] of like hack green, for example. they do hire
[49:12] that out for those notes. Yeah, that and oh,
[49:17] sort of the last couple of years, I would say
[49:20] that hack green became really popular at one
[49:23] point. And then I don't seem to see it so much
[49:26] on the ghost hunt sort of circuit. There's lots
[49:30] of places that are like Oxford Castle, Shrewsbury
[49:35] Prison. Yeah. And there's many Many pubs, like
[49:41] we've just mentioned. Is there any kind of like,
[49:45] um, forests or wooded areas that are in there?
[49:51] Yeah, there are. So it's kind of like Chase is
[49:56] in there, which is obviously one of our favorite
[49:58] places, which is obviously a hotbed of, uh, of
[50:03] activity. And again, I had trouble condensing
[50:06] that into a thousand word chapter. There was
[50:09] so much going on there and so many different
[50:12] ways to go at it. Epping Forest is in there as
[50:16] well, on the sort of London -Essex border. And
[50:25] in Kent, near Ashford, Daring Woods is in there.
[50:29] So there are some, again, it's a mixture of sort
[50:33] of buildings, but there are sort of outdoor places
[50:38] in there. things that are meant to have happened,
[50:43] be it galloping, dick -turping, dashing through
[50:49] the woods, or UFOs, or the Canock Chase Pigman,
[50:55] which was particularly interesting. Yeah. Yeah,
[51:00] me and Ash have been to Canock a couple of times,
[51:05] to Castle Ring. I'm also into Kanak Chase itself
[51:10] to do some cryptid hunting, some pig man hunting,
[51:14] black eyed children hunting. Yeah, those videos
[51:17] of the black eyed children that came out, they
[51:20] got sort of a lot of attention at the time. You
[51:25] didn't see a pig man then? No. No, we saw a lot
[51:29] of dogging at one point, but no pigs. Yeah. Some
[51:36] of them did look a bit ropey. But, um, that's
[51:41] the other bit that kind of chase is famous for.
[51:44] Unfortunately for us, we were trying to do it
[51:46] live. We tried to, uh, do a live stream from
[51:54] Calais chase. We'd done one bit at Castle ring
[51:57] and we're like, right, let's go somewhere else
[51:59] and nowhere. So, um, so we got to this car park.
[52:05] There's an unusual amount of cars there. Very
[52:09] strange looking people coming around from the
[52:11] back of vans and stuff. Anyway, I said to Ash,
[52:14] I said, I think this is a fucking dog in sight.
[52:18] Anyway, so we get out and we walk off into the
[52:21] woods with our cameras and to do a live stream
[52:24] on TikTok. But the signal was crap as we sort
[52:27] of went away from the car park. We could have
[52:30] to go back towards the car park, Ash, I'm afraid.
[52:33] So we went back towards the car park, but sort
[52:35] of a little bit away, as far as we away. we could
[52:38] get with doing this live stream and he could
[52:41] do this music. It was about midnight. Yeah, yeah.
[52:45] Oh my god, there was lights. It was like a rave
[52:48] going on type thing. So we were we were doing
[52:50] this live stream. And there was some people from
[52:54] America watching us and we was explaining there
[52:56] was a dog in sight and they they didn't know
[52:58] what that meant. So we had to try and explain
[53:00] what dog him was to the Americans. And I don't
[53:05] think it's obviously called something else over
[53:06] there. But And when we walked back, we'd noticed
[53:11] that there must've been like tens of cars going
[53:14] in and out of this car park all night. And it's
[53:16] in the middle of nowhere. The car park's in the
[53:18] middle of nowhere. And, oh, it was, it was a
[53:23] dark day for us. Yeah. So it's a great place.
[53:29] It's creepy as hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[53:31] It actually is, isn't it? It's one of those,
[53:34] um, I think I sort of said in the book actually
[53:37] that. you wouldn't want to be on your own there
[53:41] on a misty evening. It's got a very creepy vibe
[53:48] to it, hasn't it? Yeah, it has. So how many of
[53:52] the places in the book have you been to? Not
[53:57] all of them, I'll be honest. No, that's cool.
[54:00] That's a lot of places to get around. I've been
[54:03] to the vast majority. I haven't actually toted
[54:05] it up. I reckon I've been to maybe 80 of them
[54:10] actually, if I'm going to guess. That's really
[54:12] good going. Some of them I went to like before
[54:16] I started doing the book so I'd sort of knowledge
[54:19] of it before. But yeah that's the job actually
[54:24] and that's you know being a travel writer is
[54:29] going about and actually visiting the places.
[54:34] You can tell when a book has been written by
[54:36] somebody who's visited all the places and when
[54:38] one has been researched online and you've just
[54:42] sort of filled it in. So I try to go and speak
[54:48] to people as well who have had experience there.
[54:54] The internet's fabulous for that because you
[54:58] can sort of put a thing out saying anybody got
[55:00] any sort of knowledge of such and such and you
[55:04] know, you'll likely get a response or you can
[55:07] just go searching for things and find out what
[55:10] people have experienced in these places. But
[55:13] yeah, so if you go to like a pub to speak to
[55:17] somebody who like works there, it's invaluable
[55:22] really. Yeah, it's a big requirement I think
[55:29] for a good travel book to actually go and visit
[55:32] the places. It definitely brings a lot more credibility
[55:35] to the, to, to the places that you've been to
[55:40] for definite. I've, I've found a light. You always
[55:43] hear about these places like Cannock, for example,
[55:47] Orchid, Delamere Forest, um, all these, some
[55:52] of these haunted pubs, Hack Green, Oxford Castle,
[55:55] uh, Oxford Prison as it is. Um, and you get a
[56:00] whole different sense of the place when you're.
[56:03] when you're there yeah even when you read it
[56:04] in a book you can go that sounds a bit sounds
[56:08] creepy sounds a bit weird but when you've actually
[56:10] visited as well and you go actually is pretty
[56:13] pretty that is the the sort of aim for for this
[56:18] uh book and some of them aren't like so so i've
[56:22] included in in it um some places that maybe like
[56:29] a hardcore ghost hunter would would sort of scoff
[56:31] at maybe like the York Dungeon, let's say. But
[56:36] if you go to the York Dungeon, that is sort of
[56:40] creepy as hell, actually. You've got all these
[56:43] actors and stuff, and it is a way of learning
[56:46] about local legends, be it Dick Turpin, witchcraft,
[56:51] the way that people used to be treated back in
[56:53] the day. So there's different threads that go
[56:56] through all these chapters. One of them... which
[57:01] is sort of key for me, it's just to get people
[57:05] out exploring actually. Travel the country, go
[57:10] and spend some money at weekends visiting York
[57:13] or Edinburgh or Manchester or London and find
[57:18] the spooky places that are in this book. It's
[57:21] about having fun, but it's also about learning
[57:24] as well because this is, I'm a geography teacher
[57:29] actually, so I used to poke fun at all the history
[57:32] teachers. But this is, it's all, it's just about,
[57:35] it's history. And we, I think, in Britain are,
[57:39] take it for granted, but we are blessed by this
[57:44] hundreds and hundreds of years of history. And
[57:47] that's why we're sort of immersed with all these
[57:50] ghostly legends, I think, because they develop
[57:56] over time, don't they? And obviously, if a place
[57:59] is, a thousand -year -old castle. It's gonna
[58:03] have so much history and inevitably to so many
[58:07] dark things that have happened there that there
[58:08] were all these sort of myths and legends that
[58:11] are linked to it. Which I don't think in... Well,
[58:16] it's really interesting, I think, having sort
[58:20] of explored about the Pendle Witches to compare
[58:24] it. We went to Salem near Boston. It was Halloween
[58:29] week, actually. That place has had a similar
[58:36] experience to Lancaster and the Pendle Bridges
[58:40] at a similar time in sort of history. But it's
[58:46] done so much. The places have sort of gone like,
[58:50] I'll be sort of treated. Because in Lancaster,
[58:53] you really have to look for it. And you really
[58:56] have to go out of your way to have any experience
[59:00] at all. which is sort of learning about the Pendle
[59:04] Witches. But in Salem, you can't avoid it. There
[59:07] are museums, there are attractions. That whole
[59:10] town throughout the year, not just at Halloween,
[59:14] has earned its income through the story of the
[59:19] Salem Witches and the story of the, you know,
[59:23] the play The Crucible. And it's fascinating how
[59:27] that has been so heavily monetized. where the
[59:32] Lancaster one hasn't. And you sort of think,
[59:33] oh, would it work? Probably not. But some places
[59:40] could do... There is potential, I think, for
[59:43] some places to do more to sort of focus on paranormal
[59:50] myths, legends, to actually get more visitors
[59:55] in, I think. There is potential in several places
[1:00:00] for that. But it's funny, some places... will
[1:00:05] embrace it and some places will ignore it. And
[1:00:09] that can change as easily as like a manager changing
[1:00:13] at a pub. The whole approach to it can just disappear
[1:00:19] or become bigger. So, thank you very much for
[1:00:24] your time tonight. Where can people find your
[1:00:29] book, Peter? Spooky written plug. There he is.
[1:00:35] That's a great cover as well. Where's that? That's
[1:00:38] Whitby Abbey actually. So Whitby's in there,
[1:00:43] a bit of sort of Dracula going on there. Yeah
[1:00:49] online, all good bookshops. It's published by
[1:00:53] Bloomsbury so they're really good at distributing
[1:00:54] it so hopefully it'll be in local bookshops and
[1:00:58] hopefully on a few like display tables and they
[1:01:01] went up to Halloween, I'm hoping. Great time
[1:01:04] to be launching it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So where
[1:01:07] can people find you in particular if they wanted
[1:01:10] to get in touch or follow you? I'm on Instagram
[1:01:15] and threads and TikTok. Just search my name.
[1:01:21] There's only, I think, it's an unusual name,
[1:01:26] my surname, Peter Neljet. And I spent... I would
[1:01:31] say 50 years, convinced I was the only Peter
[1:01:34] Holder in the world. And then somebody found
[1:01:37] another one on Instagram. It was a mechanic in
[1:01:40] New York. So if you type that in, you'll either
[1:01:45] find him or me. So if you type in Peter Holder,
[1:01:47] spooky, he'll come to me. Type in Peter Holder,
[1:01:51] carburetor, he's going to go to the other guy.
[1:01:55] Awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you very much for
[1:01:57] your time. tonight. It's been absolutely amazing
[1:02:00] to chat to you and we wish you all the success
[1:02:03] with the book. Thanks very much for having me.
[1:02:05] I've really enjoyed it. Definitely looking forward
[1:02:07] to reading that. I didn't recognize the Whitby
[1:02:10] Abbey because anything north of Birmingham I
[1:02:12] don't really know. I am getting to know it. My
[1:02:16] partner lives up north and I come and see Ash
[1:02:18] all the time near Manchester. So I'm learning,
[1:02:23] I'm learning. I'm the opposite way around. I
[1:02:27] get a nosebleed if I go south of Leicester. Yeah.
[1:02:30] Yeah. I'm Birmingham. I hit the M6 from the M5
[1:02:34] at Birmingham at Wendsbury. And that's where
[1:02:36] it starts to start. A bit hazy. Yeah. Might get
[1:02:40] a bit light headed for a bit. It's not too bad.
[1:02:43] By the end of the weekend, like I'm up tomorrow
[1:02:46] for the weekend. So by Sunday, I've acclimatized
[1:02:50] to Northern and then I'll come back down. But
[1:02:55] no, we really do appreciate your time. Thank
[1:02:56] you. I hope it's an amazing success for you.
[1:03:00] It's a great subject to be to be writing about.
[1:03:04] And there's so many people into the paranormal
[1:03:06] now that looking for new places to visit if they
[1:03:10] haven't been like me and Ash, it's like, right,
[1:03:13] where can we go? We go to some of the same places
[1:03:15] all the time. So it's going to be good to have
[1:03:19] a little look. Yeah, but also, I mean, I'm really
[1:03:22] looking forward to people. you know, getting
[1:03:24] in touch and sharing experiences of any of these
[1:03:28] places because that's the sort of beauty of it,
[1:03:33] isn't it? It's all storytelling. I've got some
[1:03:36] great ones from Oxford Prison I can tell you
[1:03:39] about afterwards. But yeah, no, no, really appreciate
[1:03:43] it. Thank you so much. And I hope it all goes
[1:03:46] well. Thank you. Cheers, Peter.

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