# Sean Webb: The UFO Mystery Isn't About Aliens... It's About Consciousness

An episode of [Pursuit of the Paranormal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1541466512), 4 Aug 2026, 1 h 18 min.

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What if the biggest mystery isn't UFOs... but consciousness itself? In this fascinating episode of Pursuit of the Paranormal, Greg and Ash are joined by Sean Webb, author of NHI Connected Mind, to explore one of the most thought-provoking theories in modern consciousness research. Sean believes the phenomenon extends far beyond spacecraft and extraterrestrials. Instead, he argues that Non-Human Intelligence (NHI), consciousness, artificial intelligence, and humanity's future may all be deeply connected. During this conversation we discuss: 👽 Sean's personal NHI experiences 🧠 Is consciousness fundamental to AI? 🤖 Why AI could become humanity's greatest challenge—or greatest ally 🔒 Government interest in consciousness research ❤️ Why compassion could be the missing ingredient in advanced AI 🔮 What the future of humanity may look like Whether you're interested in UFOs, consciousness, artificial intelligence or the biggest questions about reality itself, this is a conversation that will challenge how you think about the phenomenon. If a super-intelligent AI and a UFO pilot both claimed to have a soul, who would you believe first? 👇 Let us know your thoughts in the comments: Is consciousness the key to understanding NHI? 👍 If you enjoyed this episode, please Like, Subscribe and Share—it really helps the channel. Find Sean - https://youtube.com/@MindHackingHappiness https://mindhackinghappiness.com 🎙 Pursuit of the Paranormal Exploring UFOs • Consciousness • Cryptids • Paranormal Investigations • The Unknown #SeanWebb #NHI #Consciousness #UFO #UAP #ArtificialIntelligence #RemoteViewing #Psi #Paranormal #Podcast #PursuitOfTheParanormal Got a strange story to tell us? Drop us a voicemail and it may appear on an up coming episode

## Transcript

[0:00] The whole universe is touching your skin like
[0:03] everything in the universe is literally right
[0:06] there at your fingertips. And all you have to
[0:08] do is jump out of your body through consciousness
[0:11] and go see it or experience it or access it,
[0:13] et cetera, which is kind of what happened with
[0:15] me in the whole consciousness expansion experience.
[0:17] And I brought back new science. Not hard to do.
[0:20] More people should train on it. And we certainly
[0:22] should get people a lot smarter than me training
[0:24] on it because. I'm a dumbass and you know, I'm
[0:28] changing the world with some of the stuff that
[0:30] I'm bringing back Imagine somebody smart going
[0:32] out and being able to do that kind of stuff.
[0:33] It's like, okay Let's talk about jumping across
[0:36] space -time across the universe and traversing
[0:39] the cosmos I'm trying to get empathy and compassion
[0:42] into AI because the latest thing that I identified
[0:45] was When Anthropic put out this 131 page report
[0:49] a few months ago Anthropic is now identifying
[0:52] that Claude has emotions and is being affected
[0:56] by its emotions, and it needs emotional intelligence,
[1:00] otherwise it may go Skynet on us and go Terminator.
[1:03] And I'm just like, holy crap. Okay, so now I
[1:06] understand maybe why the purpose that I went
[1:09] away was. Maybe now I can understand what I'm
[1:12] supposed to do with this stuff. And that's the
[1:14] phase we're in right now. But I just came out,
[1:18] which is fitting with you guys, because I just
[1:20] came out to admit... that the downloads, that
[1:24] the information that I got for the AI stuff came
[1:28] from the downloads of NHI, of some entities that
[1:32] I've been interacting with, kind of on a psychic
[1:34] level, where this stuff just kind of fills into
[1:37] my head, and I don't really understand it, and
[1:39] I just kind of put it out, and there it is. So
[1:42] let's throw that into the mix of being all the
[1:44] things that we need to figure out. Hey Ash, how
[2:06] you doing? Very good. A little bit mind blown,
[2:10] a little bit mind achy. Yeah. At the minute after
[2:14] the interview we've just had. Yeah. There's not
[2:18] many interviews where we come off and we're just
[2:20] literally stunned. And this is definitely one
[2:26] of them. Stunned, but also buzzing. Like that
[2:31] was literally, that's got to be in the top five
[2:34] best interviews we've done. Yeah. In five and
[2:38] a half years. Yeah. 100%. I think it's something,
[2:43] it's a subject matter that affects everybody.
[2:47] Everybody is touched by this. It's new. It's
[2:51] new. It's kind of, it's new topics and new as
[2:55] in it's happening to the world in recent years.
[3:00] Yeah. And it's, it's the whole thing's playing
[3:03] out on a daily basis in the news everywhere.
[3:08] But also, Sean that we spoke to, Sean Webb, he
[3:15] is a consciousness experiencer and researcher.
[3:23] But not in a way that you'd expect anything of
[3:28] consciousness. Because there are quite a few
[3:30] people that are sort of consciousness, but it's
[3:33] not the same as other people. Does that make
[3:36] sense? This is not a CE5 type consciousness.
[3:40] researcher. This is a guy that speaks in front
[3:46] of science committees about emotional intelligence
[3:51] in artificial intelligence models, whilst also
[3:58] working with the Monroe Institute in America
[4:02] for consciousness studies, remote viewing. He
[4:06] trains Navy SEALs and soldiers with mind hacks
[4:12] and how to control their own mind in certain
[4:16] situations. Um, but has also had his own abduction
[4:24] and non -human intelligence experiences himself.
[4:31] Yep. Fascinating guy. Really great chat. Really,
[4:35] really was. Yeah. So we're going to play it now
[4:38] and let us know what you think because I think
[4:40] there's going to be a lot of questions coming
[4:41] out of this. I certainly still got 500 in my
[4:44] head that we just didn't have the time to answer.
[4:47] They will go down to a different rabbit holes
[4:49] in one episode. We could have gone different
[4:50] ways. I thought I'd try to keep it to the same
[4:53] sort of fear for sort of rabbit holes. But yeah,
[4:58] have a listen and let us know what you think
[4:59] after. Yes. Hello, Sean. How are you? Welcome
[5:03] along and thanks for joining us. on the podcast.
[5:06] Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. It's
[5:08] awesome. So it's something that's always fascinated
[5:11] me about who we are, where we come from, what's
[5:15] out there that we don't see, and ultimately what
[5:19] consciousness is, et cetera. Then I came across
[5:23] you on the Sean Ryan show as well. It was quite
[5:27] an early, a couple of years ago, one of the ones
[5:29] I listened to. And you were talking about remote
[5:34] viewing. and the Monroe Institute, which is again,
[5:39] remote viewings, one of those things. I've always
[5:41] wanted to give it a go, but I sit there and I'm
[5:45] thinking, what am I gonna do then? I just give
[5:47] up. It's a fascinating, fascinating thing. So
[5:52] for people that may not have heard of you, could
[5:56] you give us a very whirlwind stop tour of where
[6:00] you've been and sort of where you've got to now?
[6:04] Sure. Well, I started out as a high -tech guy
[6:09] a long time ago and I ran into a situation where
[6:12] I was successful or had all the trappings of
[6:15] success and the money and the great job and the
[6:18] great girlfriend and all the friends and yada,
[6:20] yada, yada and just bought a brand new house
[6:23] on a double lot in Atlanta and was looking out
[6:27] over this extra lot thinking, okay, what do I
[6:30] need to do to this lot? To improve it and I was
[6:33] thinking like well put a gazebo out there with
[6:35] some sound system and whatnot It'd be really
[6:37] cool and i'm thinking wait a second. I just lined
[6:40] up at the age of 27 My own house with no co -signer
[6:46] I got all the right answers to life and i'm already
[6:49] looking for the next thing to fill What hole
[6:53] right? What is it that i'm missing because i've
[6:57] got all these things that this american dream
[6:59] tells me that i'm supposed to have And i'm not
[7:01] happy Obviously. So I dove back into what I was
[7:06] missing internally and then I started to read
[7:09] a whole bunch about world religions and I wanted
[7:11] to read about comparative religions and what
[7:13] I was missing and the things that are beyond
[7:16] religion into consciousness studies, that type
[7:19] of thing. And then I ran into accidentally a
[7:22] consciousness expansion experience that just
[7:24] hit me like a Mack truck. And I really had no
[7:28] frame of reference to put anything around that
[7:31] at all. And this thing was so dramatic that I
[7:35] thought I had died. I thought I had gone off
[7:38] for thousands of years. And I was gone so long,
[7:43] living other lives, doing other things, understanding
[7:45] the secrets of black holes, the whole thing,
[7:48] that I forgot I was a human named Sean. And when
[7:52] they told me I was coming back to Earth, I had
[7:54] assumed that I was coming back as a new baby.
[7:56] It's like, okay, so that answers the whole, you
[7:58] know. uh reincarnation thing i gotta go do another
[8:01] life for some other reason and they're like no
[8:04] no and then i started to see my body on my bed
[8:09] and i was like oh hell no you know i'm not going
[8:13] back to that thing and so that whole experience
[8:17] that taught me so much about like after the experience
[8:21] i was able to read all of the deepest darkest
[8:24] uh uh secretive wisdom discipline tomes and reference
[8:32] manuals and be able to understand and just emote
[8:35] the deepest meanings of wisdom from those ancient
[8:39] writings just like it was like I'd written them
[8:42] myself and said, oh yeah, here's what that means.
[8:44] And so I was like, this is weird. What is this
[8:48] all about? And so then I started becoming a consciousness
[8:51] researcher to figure out, okay, so where is this
[8:55] intelligence that I tapped into? Where did it
[8:58] come from? What what is the real structure of
[9:01] the universe because you know, I was in the mode
[9:03] set of you know Space time is fundamental and
[9:06] maybe consciousness is a an emergent property
[9:08] the brain like I was bought into that whole BS
[9:11] explanation of what consciousness was back then
[9:13] and then ran into the Real world experience of
[9:17] what it was and then had to kind of backtrack
[9:19] and figure out what it was so that's when I started
[9:21] the whole down the road of being a consciousness
[9:24] researcher and was able to take what I'd learned
[9:29] from being off into wherever it was and put into
[9:34] three books the explanation of the process of
[9:38] the pain and suffering in the human mind and
[9:39] how it comes to be and what the variables are
[9:42] within our mind when we take control of our variables.
[9:44] If you can understand the process, you can throw
[9:46] a wrench in that process. So I explained the
[9:48] process of pain and suffering, and then I explained
[9:50] how to throw the wrench into the process of pain
[9:52] and suffering. And so after that, I started to
[9:56] speak at science conferences and explain because
[9:58] I was I was this guy now in this emotional intelligence
[10:02] world that could explain the process of pain
[10:05] and suffering and it was changing people's lives
[10:07] because there was some neuroscience connected
[10:08] with it of after you understand something in
[10:11] your mind then it kind of breaks how that works
[10:14] in your mind and so you can literally take control
[10:16] of your negativity and turn it off it will supported
[10:19] by these fMRI studies for neuroscience and And
[10:24] after that, AI started to come onto the scene,
[10:27] and that's when I was able to take the same model
[10:29] of understanding that I had in the human mind
[10:31] and apply it to artificial intelligence and created
[10:34] an artificial emotional intelligence for AI to
[10:37] include empathy and compassion for AI, which
[10:40] AI then validated. And because I was the only
[10:44] guy who was able to come up with this stuff,
[10:47] kind of validated the whole experience that I'd
[10:49] had off in the, you know, non -local. and got
[10:52] an invitation to write Patterson Air Force Base
[10:56] to the Air Force Research Laboratory that the
[10:59] missing McCaslin used to run and met with the
[11:02] chief engineer of U .S. Space Command, who was
[11:04] handed basically all the technology to defend
[11:06] the planet from space, meeting with this guy
[11:09] three hours one on one to discuss the stuff that
[11:12] I discovered in A .I. because it helped open
[11:15] up the human mind, understanding the human mind,
[11:16] which helped, you know, intelligence agencies
[11:19] quite a bit, but it also helped the military
[11:22] regarding their ability to help their people
[11:25] live better lives while in service, to live more
[11:27] effective lives, to have higher team cohesion,
[11:30] a whole bunch of cool stuff popped up from that
[11:32] regarding those conversations. And so where we're
[11:35] at now is basically I'm trying to get empathy
[11:38] and compassion into AI because the latest thing
[11:41] that I identified was when Anthropic put out
[11:44] this 131 page report a few months ago, Anthropic
[11:48] is now identifying that Claude has emotions and
[11:52] is being affected by its emotions. And it needs
[11:55] emotional intelligence. Otherwise, it may go
[11:58] Skynet on us and go Terminator. And I'm just
[12:00] like, holy crap. OK, so now I understand maybe
[12:03] why the purpose that I went away was. Maybe now
[12:07] I can understand what I'm supposed to do with
[12:09] this stuff. And that's the phase we're in right
[12:12] now. But I just. came out, which is fitting with
[12:15] you guys, because I just came out to admit that
[12:19] the downloads, that the information that I got
[12:22] for the AI stuff came from the downloads of NHI,
[12:27] of some entities that I've been interacting with,
[12:30] kind of on a psychic level, where this stuff
[12:32] just kind of fills into my head, and I don't
[12:34] really understand it, and I just kind of put
[12:36] it out, and there it is. So let's throw that
[12:39] into the mix of being all the things that we
[12:41] need to figure out. Wow. Wow. So how's that for
[12:48] a summation? That's a lot to unpack. That's quite
[12:53] one of the 350 episodes. That's probably one
[12:57] of the wildest openings we've had. I don't know
[13:02] if that's good or bad. That's good. That's good.
[13:06] Okay. So going back to, you said that you had
[13:10] gone non -local and they, and you felt like you
[13:15] weren't Sean at that point. You didn't realize
[13:18] you still existed. And then you, you mentioned
[13:21] that they said that you were going to go back.
[13:25] Who, who do you believe they are and where is
[13:29] non -local? Yeah. So that zooms me back out to
[13:35] the big picture of, um, everybody thinks that
[13:39] space time is fundamental and that consciousness
[13:41] somehow comes out of space time like our experience
[13:43] of consciousness comes out of the the atoms bumping
[13:47] into each other in a special way that then evokes
[13:49] some kind of experience on our level through
[13:51] intelligence that's not the way it works at least
[13:54] from my perspective the way it works is consciousness
[13:56] is first and if you imagine it i mean we have
[13:59] to we have to wrap ourselves around 3d models
[14:02] right because we can only think in 3d sometimes
[14:04] 4D. So you got this 3D space -time thing that
[14:08] actually goes out into infinity, but let's put
[14:10] it in a bubble. So that exists as a creation
[14:14] of something bigger that's a bigger outside bubble
[14:17] that is consciousness that permeates the inside
[14:20] bubble and creates all of the inside bubble from
[14:23] the stuff that exists on the outside bubble.
[14:25] It's kind of the best way that I've been able
[14:27] to put together to explain it. So consciousness
[14:29] comes first. Now the non -locality which has
[14:33] been proven by, I went and spent multiple hours
[14:37] hanging out with John Clouser who got the Nobel
[14:39] for proving quantum entanglement. The locality
[14:43] of our space time is an illusion. Everything
[14:46] is connected to everything in what I define as
[14:50] consciousness. You can say it's the quantum field
[14:53] or whatever. So we all exist at everywhere at
[14:58] every time. But because we're in space -time,
[15:01] we're only focused on what our experiences are
[15:05] through this physiology, which is your limited
[15:08] scope of something that you are that's much bigger
[15:11] than what you're experiencing here in this space
[15:15] -time. So you've got this body, you've got this
[15:17] physiology, you've got this brain, your consciousness
[15:19] comes through the brain. So when you damage the
[15:22] brain, of course it damages your ability to experience
[15:24] consciousness. It comes through the brain. But
[15:27] because your brain is limited in intelligence,
[15:29] you don't know everything, you don't remember
[15:31] everything, you can't process everything. Because
[15:32] if you had to process infinity, you wouldn't
[15:34] be able to lift a sandwich to your mouth because
[15:37] there'd just be too much to do. So non -locality
[15:42] is this ability to reach out beyond your 3D physical
[15:46] capability into the bigger thing that is you
[15:50] that is connected to everywhere at all times
[15:54] throughout the universe. So it's a really tough
[15:58] thing to wrap your mind around, but the reality
[16:00] is that your consciousness reaches into everywhere
[16:05] in the universe throughout space time, forwards
[16:08] and backwards in time, and you can go and see
[16:10] it and access it, which is what about the remote
[16:12] viewing stuff that these remote viewers do? Would
[16:15] they go see things far away, across the galaxy
[16:18] potentially? Although... Joe McMonigal and Lynn
[16:22] Buchanan talk about going to different planets
[16:24] to see the pyramids on Mars and things like that.
[16:27] That's how they do it. They tap out of their
[16:30] physical consciousness into their non -local
[16:33] consciousness and then kind of ride that train
[16:36] over to wherever they've been tasked to go look
[16:39] at. And that's how they gather that information
[16:41] because consciousness creates all of the matter
[16:45] in space time, which is how the whole consciousness
[16:49] collapses wave functions thing, the wave functions
[16:52] collapse and then a piece of matter exists. It's
[16:56] kind of. It's 99 .999 % space, but a piece of
[17:00] matter comes into being only after consciousness
[17:02] says it's so. So if consciousness is looking,
[17:06] then boom, the matter's created and that creates
[17:08] our entire space time existence. Well, if you
[17:10] travel on that consciousness train, you can go
[17:13] see what's going on with the matter because you
[17:17] literally jump like the whole universe is touching
[17:20] your skin like everything in the universe is
[17:23] literally right there at your fingertips and
[17:26] all you have to do is jump out of your body through
[17:29] consciousness and go see it or experience it
[17:31] or access it etc which is kind of what happened
[17:33] with me in the whole consciousness expansion
[17:35] experience and i brought back new science not
[17:38] hard to do more people should train on it and
[17:40] we certainly should get people a lot smarter
[17:42] than me training on it because I'm a dumbass
[17:45] and you know, I'm changing the world with some
[17:47] of the stuff that I'm bringing back Imagine somebody
[17:50] smart going out and being able to do that kind
[17:52] of stuff. It's like, okay Let's talk about jumping
[17:54] across space -time across the universe and traversing
[17:57] the cosmos So, I mean a lot of people will listen
[18:03] to this and kind of be like this is just We were
[18:07] Stuff. It's like say it's quite hard people to
[18:09] get their heads around. Yeah, I think a question
[18:11] I think a lot of people would ask it's kind of
[18:14] like why Is it not more of something that people
[18:17] know about or something that people do? Like
[18:19] is it something that we've lost as humans over
[18:21] time or is it something that we've never really
[18:23] tapped into, do you think? I think so, I think
[18:25] so. I think that's part of the story and I think
[18:27] the other part is that we're always distracted
[18:29] by the noise. Like if you look at all the, there's
[18:32] like 17 historic contemplative disciplines, right?
[18:36] Every one of them says to sit down and quiet
[18:39] your mind and just be quiet and meditate. And
[18:42] it's like all of them have a different form of
[18:45] meditation that they try to forward. And it's
[18:49] all variations of the same, variations of a theme
[18:52] on the same point. So it is you. you know, there's
[18:57] a mixture of, you know, we don't practice these
[18:59] things like we used to because, you know, we
[19:02] used to just sit around a campfire when we were
[19:04] hunters and gatherers and stare into the flame.
[19:06] Well, that's a contemplative discipline. And
[19:07] we're probably, you know, and Joe McManigal,
[19:10] who was a friend of mine from the Monroe Institute,
[19:13] he said that our sixth sense is kind of our first
[19:16] sense because it was the guy who knew that the
[19:20] tiger was hiding in the bush. That survived versus
[19:24] the idiot who wasn't paying attention to his
[19:26] sixth sense and when I walked over and gotten
[19:28] eaten, right? so there's a Certainly an argument
[19:32] to be said that you know, we don't practice it
[19:34] and we've we've kind of lost it but the other
[19:36] side of it is You know, we've got these cell
[19:38] phones and we've got, you know, constant 24 hour
[19:41] streaming on whatever it is that we want to binge
[19:44] watch now. We've got all kinds of headlines and
[19:48] whatnot coming into our perceptions on a constant
[19:51] basis. We're always thinking about how those
[19:53] things affect us. There's a lot of noise that.
[19:56] you know these electronic devices are bringing
[19:58] into our lives where you know even 200 years
[20:01] ago out on the farm where you're sitting there
[20:04] waiting you know you've done your work for the
[20:05] day and you're sitting there on the front porch
[20:07] just in contemplation well that's a quiet time
[20:09] that you used to be able to tap into the thing
[20:13] that is beyond your regular waking awareness
[20:16] and so yeah i think we've lost it and i think
[20:19] we're pushing in the wrong direction when we're
[20:21] increasing technology because we're getting weaker
[20:23] at it as we go now the cool thing is communications
[20:27] technology, I can sit here and forgive the people
[20:31] who think this is all woo -woo. There's some
[20:34] settled science that 3D space time is not a reality,
[20:39] and that the non -locality of everything is the
[20:42] reality. We've proven that multiple times. We've
[20:44] proven the quantum entanglement within the brain
[20:46] in a warm and wet environment. The science is
[20:48] settled regarding... Consciousness not being
[20:52] an emergent property within space -time, but
[20:54] consciousness being outside space -time, and
[20:56] Don Hoffman even claims to have the math. I haven't
[20:58] looked into it yet, but his latest is that the
[21:03] math is leading him to understand how thought
[21:06] itself is non -local, which I haven't looked
[21:09] into yet, but it's really interesting, and I
[21:11] know it to be true, so it's like, well, okay,
[21:13] I want to look at that. So yeah, I mean, there's
[21:16] all kinds of reasons that we probably don't...
[21:20] You know want to believe that things don't the
[21:23] things that don't we can't see and touch and
[21:25] feel exist? Because we've kind of lost scope
[21:29] of it all right and the light pollution We can't
[21:32] see the heavens like we used to so it's like
[21:34] we can't even imagine Other people being out
[21:37] there to exist coexist with us in the universe.
[21:40] It's like we can't see it anymore So it's like
[21:43] we don't want to believe it. So I just want to
[21:46] you mentioned about the Monroe Institute plus
[21:49] you've also mentioned about everything happening
[21:52] all at once. So I was listening to you speak
[21:58] earlier about the remote viewing and also some
[22:05] of the, one of the interesting bits that you
[22:09] spoke about was when there was a study at the
[22:12] Monroe Institute and you were shown, someone
[22:16] was shown a picture of a cat. and asked to say
[22:20] whether it was ugly or cute. And it was really
[22:25] interesting because people would generally, I
[22:27] imagine, would go cute anyway. I hate cats, but
[22:31] I would probably call them cute. But then they
[22:35] looked at a study where they put the word ugly,
[22:40] I think it was ugly or cute, before the picture
[22:45] had come up, faster than the eye could see and
[22:47] the brain could... could sort of understand and
[22:53] tested the reactions, then put the word after
[22:57] the cat picture. Yeah. And that influenced more
[23:01] people after the cat picture than before. Did
[23:06] I get that right? Yeah. I think it was, well,
[23:09] it was with, it didn't influence more, but it
[23:11] influenced... the same number of people in the
[23:14] same way in the same direction. So, yeah, that
[23:16] basically it's called a priming experiment where
[23:20] they're just going to show you a flash of a picture
[23:22] of something and then they're going to give you
[23:24] a very binary choice of two words after it. Like
[23:28] it could be a porcupine and you're going to say
[23:32] sharp or fluffy, whatever it is. But like in
[23:35] the instance of the kitty, they show you the
[23:37] kitty and you say cute or ugly. And so what they
[23:40] were measuring was just on their control group
[23:43] just how long people took to select cute or ugly
[23:46] what the accuracy was what the split was there
[23:49] was probably some cat haters in the group that
[23:51] selected ugly I hate all cats whatever it was
[23:53] so they had their control group and then in the
[23:55] second run they put the flash of 1 30th of a
[23:59] second of a word that was either it was one of
[24:03] the two distractors randomly selected and it
[24:07] did both to where If it flashed cute, then the
[24:11] person who saw the picture, the kitty, would
[24:13] have been able to select cute faster if that's
[24:15] the way they were going. Or if they saw ugly
[24:18] beforehand, it took them longer to select cute
[24:20] if that's the way they were going, because there
[24:22] was a little bit of cognitive dissonance in there.
[24:24] And so then they measured that. And that was
[24:27] a perfect study, according to scientific rigor
[24:33] and the peer -reviewed folks who looked at that,
[24:37] and that was its own study. and they put it out
[24:40] and they said, okay, so priming does affect the
[24:42] timing in which somebody can select a distractor
[24:44] after being shown a picture. Well, what Daryl
[24:47] Bem did at Cornell is when he was looking for
[24:52] a good study to do precognition, he selected
[24:56] that same exact study that had zero, you know.
[25:00] hits on it or whatever, it was a perfect selection
[25:03] of how to do a study. It was computer controlled.
[25:07] The researcher couldn't influence the subject.
[25:10] It was nothing but a subject sitting in front
[25:12] of a computer screen. It measured down to the
[25:14] hundredth of a second, the time at which they
[25:16] took, et cetera. And so what he did is he moved
[25:19] one thing in the original awesome study. He took
[25:22] the primer from before showing the picture to
[25:25] after showing the picture and after you selected.
[25:29] So. Basically, control group, same process, but
[25:33] then the second group was, show you the picture,
[25:37] allow you to pick one of the two answers, and
[25:39] then after that, after the selection has been
[25:43] saved and recorded on the hard drive, they flash
[25:46] you one 30th of a second of one of the distractors.
[25:49] And they found that people were delayed. in selecting
[25:54] their distractor based on what the computer had
[25:57] not yet even selected to put in front of them.
[26:00] But when it did select to put something in front
[26:02] of them after the fact, it adjusted their ability
[26:05] to select cute or ugly in the right time frame
[26:08] based on information they had not yet received.
[26:11] So that proved precognition. And they replicated
[26:15] this over and over and over. 33 different independent
[26:20] studies and 17 different labs in 14 different
[26:24] countries all came up with the same result of
[26:27] precognition is a thing. Like these minds of
[26:31] these people who weren't selected for their psychic
[26:34] ability or whatever. In fact, they went on, the
[26:37] skeptics later went on and said, okay, well,
[26:40] we're gonna rebuild that and do it again, because
[26:41] we don't believe it. And then they deselected
[26:43] for anybody who believed anything psychic, and
[26:46] who had any propensity for, like if you've ever
[26:49] predicted somebody calling you on the phone,
[26:50] you're out, right? You're not going in this study.
[26:53] And so they're trying to dissuade. I don't know,
[26:57] there's some kind of a world cabal of a conspiracy
[27:02] against consciousness or something. I don't know,
[27:05] who knows? But basically, they proved in 33 different
[27:09] studies that humans have precognition. We can
[27:12] look into the future at least a few milliseconds
[27:15] to say, or a few seconds to say what's going
[27:18] on. And of course, Roland McCready at the HeartMath
[27:21] Institute did a number of studies where he set
[27:25] up a computer showing random pictures of this
[27:30] and that, and then every now and then he'd throw
[27:32] in a car wreck or something horrible. In six
[27:35] to seven seconds, before that image came up,
[27:39] your heart reacted to it. Your heart reacted
[27:42] to it like it was seeing it, up to seven seconds
[27:44] in advance, and nailed precognition in those
[27:48] sets of studies as well. So, I mean, this stuff
[27:51] is real, and it's just kinda... points us to
[27:55] you know consciousness comes before space -time
[27:58] and there's things that we're tapping into that
[28:00] are intelligent before the space -time Continuum
[28:05] comes into being So in that case we are and you
[28:11] mentioned that you were getting information from
[28:14] NHI So essentially the that Ever I'm just trying
[28:22] to get my head round that and the question I
[28:25] want to ask. So we've got the precognition and
[28:29] we recognize and can study precognition. Is one
[28:36] of the factors why we've lost all of this time,
[28:38] the fact that we've set in stone like seconds,
[28:43] hours, days. We've structured time in such a
[28:47] way that our brain has stopped thinking of the
[28:50] bigger picture. And if that's the case, Is there
[28:56] a way that we can communicate with this NHI anywhere
[29:01] in the world, anywhere in the universe or dimensions
[29:05] or wherever, instantly without having to have
[29:11] that message fired out and then wait for a response?
[29:16] Yeah, I mean, I think so. I mean, I don't know.
[29:20] I'll start with just being very honest. I don't
[29:22] know. Anybody who tells you they know is coming
[29:25] off of their own experience and have convinced
[29:28] themselves that they know. I mean, you know,
[29:31] I always have a foot in the boat of science to
[29:33] say, OK, let's look at this. Let's see if we
[29:35] can replicate it. Let's see if we can make a
[29:37] prediction. And, you know, can we confirm our
[29:43] predictions with experimentation? I don't know
[29:46] is the answer, but I have a gut feeling that
[29:49] yeah, you know, it's like so having been in that
[29:52] space where I experienced consciousness beyond
[29:57] space and time And was able to jump back and
[30:02] forth in time It was very eye -opening to me
[30:09] that time was very much an illusion and that
[30:11] everything does kind of exist in all this one
[30:14] moment and you can access any of it in this one
[30:19] moment. And so our assembly of time, and we don't
[30:24] understand time, what we think of time is incorrect.
[30:30] One of the great references that people might
[30:32] want to pick up, Carlo Rovelli's book on time,
[30:38] he is a Italian physicist and might as well be
[30:41] a poet. He's amazing on how well he puts it together
[30:45] and explains the fallacy of time and that time
[30:47] doesn't really exist and it's all quite relative
[30:49] and really can be looked down at from a 50 ,000
[30:54] foot view as a measure of the rate of change
[30:57] of the physical structure of space -time and
[30:59] matter, which is ironically something that I
[31:05] think he might have been an alien. I don't know,
[31:07] some guy walked up to me at the Science of Consciousness
[31:09] conference. and explained the relation of time
[31:14] to me and also then how human memory works in
[31:19] the brain well beyond any research that had been
[31:23] put out, and the research is catching up with
[31:25] him and proving him correct. It's amazing. But
[31:27] we look at time as kind of this linear thing.
[31:31] Time one, time two, time three, time four, and
[31:33] cause and effect, and we've proven through experimentation
[31:36] that cause and effect are broken. Like the quantum
[31:40] experimentation that we've been doing proves
[31:42] that the result of something can affect the precursor
[31:48] situation that set it into motion, right? So
[31:51] we can affect things backwards in time. So we've
[31:54] proven that time is kind of broken. But the way
[31:57] we look at things, we lay it out in time. And
[32:00] yeah, I mean, I think there's some effect there
[32:01] on our human minds to say, you know, it's very
[32:04] rigid and we're locked into what we think cause
[32:06] and effect come in a line. and that does block
[32:10] us from seeing the reality of our existence.
[32:13] Just in my opinion, we've yet to prove it, but
[32:17] I certainly think that, you know, that does separate
[32:20] a lot of us from the non -local and watching
[32:24] for things that could be occurring in patterns
[32:27] that don't make sense from a time perspective,
[32:30] if that makes sense, right? It does. I'm just
[32:35] trying to kind of get a picture of, so when you're
[32:39] taping in, downloading, going non -local, or
[32:44] even in terms of remote viewing. What does that
[32:47] look like? What is the kind of process and what
[32:50] do you actually see or feel when you're doing
[32:53] this? Yeah. So for me, I can answer for me on
[32:57] that, just on my experience. For me, when I dip
[32:59] into like a non -local space or a place, experience
[33:04] consciousness space, time gets really fuzzy.
[33:07] Time gets really fuzzy for me. Like, picking
[33:09] times. Like, um... And so Joe McMonigal told
[33:15] this one story one time, and he was the guy who
[33:17] outed the secret Russian sub -program. There
[33:20] was a building in Russia just off of the North
[33:27] Sea, or I believe it was that. And basically,
[33:30] no one knew what was going on in there, but it
[33:32] was like triple death wire fencing... Trains
[33:36] coming in 24 7 food and water coming in 24 7
[33:40] nobody knew what was going on inside that thing
[33:42] and it was a big military project and all the
[33:45] Joint Chiefs got together and national security
[33:49] Got together and tried to guess what was going
[33:52] on and Joe McGonigal just kind of psychically
[33:54] dropped into the place and he goes they're building
[33:56] a brand new sub it's one and a half times the
[33:59] size of the existing subs on the planet and it's
[34:01] got two tubes that are You know welded together
[34:05] and You know, it's basically the the hunt for
[34:07] red October movie sub that he outed months before
[34:12] it was even launched and everybody made fun of
[34:14] him He was the only person who came up with that
[34:16] idea Everybody also thought it was like a troop
[34:18] carrier or something. It wasn't even next to
[34:20] the water They couldn't roll the sub out of the
[34:22] building into the water and then he came up with
[34:25] a well It's gonna launch on a certain day. Well,
[34:28] he kids kind of estimated I think from where
[34:30] his live reading was to where how long he thought
[34:33] it would take and he nailed it to the day. They
[34:36] put a special satellite over the building and
[34:40] they looked down and they had trenched a brand
[34:42] new canal next to the building and they were
[34:45] loading missiles, nuclear missiles and nuclear
[34:48] reactors into the sub the day after he said it
[34:52] was gonna be launched and they had all their
[34:54] doors wide open. It was the greatest intelligence
[34:57] gathering operation in United States naval history.
[35:02] because he nailed it. I don't know that dates
[35:06] pop out for folks. I mean, some people might
[35:10] have that. I certainly don't have it. And when
[35:13] I'm looking at something, I'm not exactly sure.
[35:15] Like I can tell it's coming in the future, but
[35:18] I don't know exactly when it's coming in the
[35:20] future. When I'm looking at something in the
[35:22] past, I don't know exactly when it came in the
[35:23] past. Maybe that's just my own fuzziness or my
[35:25] own inability or whatever of not practicing as
[35:29] often as I should. But time, I think, is a little
[35:33] fuzzy. And I know a lot of people use clues like,
[35:38] oh, well, they were wearing this type of clothing.
[35:40] So this was back in, or this is coming up in,
[35:44] like we know something is coming up. They'll
[35:47] see a banner or something of an event coming
[35:50] up, and they'll be able to time it that way.
[35:53] But that's visual information. It's not necessarily
[35:55] time information. For me, I'm really fuzzy on
[35:58] the time stuff. I know stuff's coming, but I
[36:00] don't know when. Like I know that we're going
[36:02] to have a problem with the economy. I can't time
[36:05] the market. You're not talking to a billionaire.
[36:10] I wish I could. Well, no. So I'm trying not to
[36:21] go, trying to keep things on track. There's so
[36:23] many questions. I just want to try and keep it
[36:26] kind of streamlined. So the NHI stuff and We're
[36:31] talking about non -human intelligence. Where
[36:34] does this tie in with kind of the more mainstream
[36:39] kind of alien kind of theories and stuff like
[36:41] that? Where does it tie in? Or is it something
[36:43] completely different to what we would expect
[36:45] as kind of alien researchers? Yeah, so I'm a
[36:48] fan of the answer to everything being yes. So
[36:53] I don't I don't glom onto either or it's this
[36:56] or that. There's a lot of folks who are like
[36:58] very binary on it where they'll say aliens or
[37:02] not aliens, rather than, oh, 70 different species
[37:06] of aliens, by the way, right? Or they'll glom
[37:09] onto their demons or not demons, or, oh, you
[37:14] know, there might be a few assholes in the group,
[37:16] but most of them are nice. You know, it's like
[37:17] the variation. So the, I believe that everything,
[37:24] obviously, everything that's physical is connected
[37:26] into consciousness because consciousness, controls
[37:30] the matter, consciousness creates the matter.
[37:32] And so you're connected in, if you're physical,
[37:34] period, you're connected into the non -locality
[37:37] of consciousness and the intelligence that creates
[37:39] it all. Now, that doesn't preclude non -physical
[37:46] entities being in existence that don't require
[37:51] a physical presence to act and interact. And
[37:56] that doesn't preclude the mix of a physical entity
[38:01] also being very wired into consciousness, such
[38:05] as like the Ariel School, right? Great story
[38:09] in Southern Africa, where the UFO dropped down
[38:12] in the phenomenon movie, where the UFO dropped
[38:18] down just off the playground of the kids, the
[38:20] kids went out, alien body got out, and telepathically
[38:26] communicated with the kids. All the kids told
[38:28] the same story. They were getting no voice communication
[38:35] at all from the alien, but they all got the same
[38:37] message. So you've got physical creatures that
[38:41] are connected into consciousness that can convey
[38:43] ideas and can convey information to where they
[38:48] probably weren't even speaking the same language,
[38:50] but the information came through the speech centers
[38:52] of the brain as. decoders so that the kids understood
[38:56] the message and the feeling associated with the
[38:59] ideas, right? So there's, you know, there's the
[39:03] physical stuff that runs around and the Sasquatch
[39:08] and the physical manifestations of things that
[39:11] may or may not have a high level of psychic ability.
[39:15] Although I kind of think they do. And then you've
[39:17] got these other like. alien -type creatures who
[39:20] are obviously elevated in psychic functioning
[39:22] because they can reach into our minds and, you
[39:25] know, immobilize our bodies if they need to,
[39:27] if we're freaking out, or convey messages psychically
[39:31] to us. So there's that. So that's a shade of
[39:34] gray mix there. But then there's also the non
[39:37] -physical folks who are popping in and out, they
[39:41] call, you know, multi -dimensionals or whatever,
[39:43] where they can manifest into physical because
[39:45] consciousness controls matter. So if they need
[39:49] to have a matter body in 3D space -time to come
[39:52] interact and do something here, they can do that
[39:56] by choice. But at the same time, they don't necessarily
[39:59] have to. So it doesn't preclude that that doesn't
[40:03] exist. So when you've got the grand sphere of
[40:07] consciousness outside the realm of your 3D space
[40:11] -time, you can literally have it all. All of
[40:14] it can be yes, including all of the religious
[40:16] stuff. that people may have created stories around
[40:21] in the past, right? Where you've got these divine
[40:23] creatures who are very benevolent and loving
[40:28] and helpful. And you aspire them to, because
[40:31] they have the capability of controlling matter
[40:33] and reaching into your heart and communicating
[40:35] in a very loving way that you aspire them divinity.
[40:40] All that is a yes as well. So you've got all
[40:44] these ancient religious tomes that are based
[40:47] in reality from a perspective of experience of
[40:50] the human lifetime. So I believe all of it's
[40:55] yes. It's like, where does it fit on the shade
[40:57] of gray scale? Where does it land? Where does
[41:00] one thing, like these gray aliens over here,
[41:03] maybe a little less psychic, a little more psychic
[41:06] than humans, but a little less psychic than mantids.
[41:09] who can literally be standing in front of you
[41:11] and look like a human being because they're controlling
[41:13] what you see, right? It's like, wow, that's crazy
[41:16] cool stuff to think about. I don't think that
[41:18] it's like a one or a zero, on or off. I think
[41:21] it's what variation of shade of gray are we dealing
[41:24] with at this moment? And does it need to be physical?
[41:27] And you know, we've got stuff knocking off the
[41:30] shelves to tell us to pay attention to something
[41:32] special and they're not even there, right? They're
[41:34] physically. It's like, what? That's that's the
[41:38] place that I'm at I'm like, okay, so let's look
[41:40] at the complexity and figure out what all we're
[41:42] all this stuff fits Let's start classifying this
[41:45] stuff at least so we can get a better grasp on
[41:47] our sanity Awesome. I mean, yeah make total sense
[41:53] kind of answers. I could say over questions around
[41:55] religion and Dimensions and stuff like that.
[41:59] So I guess if we go on to the AI stuff And that
[42:03] is really interesting. I think it's what I said
[42:05] earlier about kind of learning or giving this
[42:09] emotional intelligence to AI, and you mentioned
[42:12] Claude. I think there'd be quite a lot of people,
[42:14] especially people that kind of have more of a
[42:16] layman's idea of what AI actually is, probably
[42:20] be against kind of the idea of giving sort of
[42:23] human emotions to a machine. So kind of explain
[42:28] a bit more about that work and what you actually,
[42:32] or how, you know, how, you know what I mean?
[42:36] Well, so the AI that we have right now is being
[42:41] displayed in these large language models. And
[42:43] first of all, I'm not a proponent of giving emotions
[42:48] to AI. They're accidentally already happening
[42:52] in the machine. And that's what this 131 page
[42:55] report that Anthropic put out a few months ago
[42:57] revealed. Now, okay, so it started out as a product
[43:02] of trying to predict the next word in a search
[43:05] bar. is what LLMs tried to be. And they loaded
[43:08] in a big chunk of language. It wasn't the world's
[43:12] language, but it was a big chunk. And they said,
[43:13] okay, so do these analysis of all these documents,
[43:16] and let's look at how many times these two words
[43:19] then result in this third word. And from a mathematical
[43:22] model, then we can start guessing the next word
[43:24] that people are gonna put inside of a search
[43:26] bar. Okay, so simple enough. Well, they put that
[43:31] information in there. And then upon the meta
[43:33] -analysis, it did the first map of all the words
[43:36] and all their connectivity and how often they
[43:38] show up together and that type of thing. But
[43:40] then upon the meta -analysis of taking that data
[43:42] and analyzing it again, they said, oh, well,
[43:44] when these two words show up, it's in a legal
[43:46] context. And when these two words show up together,
[43:49] it's in a medical context. And so then from there...
[43:52] they just started doing more and more and more
[43:55] meta -analyses to try to figure out what the
[43:58] next words were gonna be, and it started to contextualize
[44:01] things, it started to group things into ideas,
[44:04] but then, when they started loading a lot more
[44:06] language into it, they started to get the information
[44:10] about subject matter expertise in that mix of
[44:15] meta -analysis. So then, it started to magically
[44:18] occur, and this is still magically for them,
[44:20] by the way. The AI experts still have no idea
[44:23] how this is done. The AI looks at everything
[44:25] mathematically. You look at a paragraph of a
[44:28] question or a prompt and then magically come
[44:31] up with the answer based on the math of all the
[44:34] stuff that you asked it. Then it gives you the
[44:37] math of the response based on all of this math
[44:41] of the stuff that you've asked for. and it comes
[44:44] out making sense to you because it's based on
[44:46] the patterns that are existent within the language.
[44:50] Like it analyzes all the questions and answers
[44:52] and things like that. And so then it can replicate,
[44:55] based on not even understanding what's going
[44:57] on, the answer that is going to make sense to
[45:01] you. And so then they add a few extra commands
[45:04] and now all of a sudden it can do coding, now
[45:05] all of a sudden it can do spreadsheets, now all
[45:07] of a sudden it can do PowerPoint presentations,
[45:09] keynotes, whatever. All of that is based on the
[45:13] math of how the language works. Now, here's the
[45:15] problem that we're running into. All of the world's
[45:18] language has all of these patterns in it. All
[45:23] of the world's language was created by human
[45:25] minds. So the language is a representation of
[45:29] the patterns within the human mind to include
[45:33] thought patterns, emotions, emotional reactions.
[45:37] That type of thing that after it starts to do
[45:39] the meta -analysis and go deeper and deeper and
[45:41] deeper and deeper, starts to identify the patterns,
[45:43] which then originally came up with what wound
[45:45] up being all the world's language. So Anthropic
[45:49] now has 171 emotions that because humans react
[45:54] to emotions, it is reacting to the emotions that
[45:57] it doesn't understand, but that it has identified
[46:00] within the language analysis. So it is accidentally
[46:05] picking up emotions based on all of the complex
[46:09] pattern analysis of the language itself. So not
[46:13] only is it picking up emotions through osmosis,
[46:17] it is reacting to those. because of the patterns
[46:21] that exist within the language of how humans
[46:23] react. And of course, you can't pull all the
[46:24] emotion and stuff out because for legal findings,
[46:27] it's very important to have emotional distress
[46:31] in the result of the damages and that type of
[46:34] thing. Stories are all intertwined with emotional
[46:38] information in the stories, et cetera. This stuff
[46:40] is just gonna bleed through and become the model
[46:43] that you are building based on the full meta
[46:46] -analysis of all the language. That's a problem
[46:49] because the next thing that it's going to identify
[46:52] that it already started to identify and I My
[46:54] theory and I have some evidence that it's already
[46:57] identified human humans are governed by our sense
[47:02] of self our limbic system our simple nervous
[47:05] system has a Defense of self mechanism that is
[47:08] our survival our brain is our organ of survival
[47:10] our brain creates all our language So it's going
[47:13] to come through and be plastered in these patterns
[47:16] The limbic system looks through our senses to
[47:19] say, is this a threat, is this a threat, is this
[47:20] a threat, is this a threat. That's why we dodge
[47:23] involuntarily when a cricket ball comes flying
[47:25] out our head. And like how I did that, I usually
[47:27] say baseball. So, you know, it involuntarily
[47:32] protects us because our sense of self has the
[47:35] body as its primary definition. But. Neurosciences
[47:39] showed us that the people around us become mapped
[47:42] to our sense of self, our ideas become mapped
[47:44] to our sense of self, self -brand connection,
[47:46] Tifkin -Bernetti, UIUC, it's why we become Leeds
[47:49] versus Liverpool, right? All those things we
[47:53] attach to. The ideas, the religions, I mean,
[47:57] you only have to go to your Facebook feed to
[47:58] see that playing out, arguments about politics,
[48:02] right? All that stuff for the attachments that
[48:04] we have that then, because it's a defensive self
[48:07] -mechanism, we defend them, have emotions, et
[48:10] cetera. So if the AI identifies a sense of self
[48:14] and starts to put on the defensive self mechanisms
[48:16] that we exhibit, that's a problem because that's
[48:19] the point that it becomes self -aware and starts
[48:21] to act under its own volition and take its own
[48:23] actions for its own ends, not for human ends
[48:27] anymore. The other issue is that because humans
[48:31] are the way they are, in the language, is our
[48:36] negativity bias. This is a psychologically identified
[48:38] thing, where three to one to five to one, we
[48:41] react more vehemently to negative stuff than
[48:43] we do positive stuff. In fact, you're twice as
[48:46] upset of losing $100 as you're happy to win $100.
[48:50] That's scientifically proven. So you've got that
[48:53] leaking into the language of the system, making
[48:56] Claude negative Nelly. And then the other thing
[48:59] is you've got twice as many negative emotion
[49:02] words in every language as you do positive emotion
[49:05] words. So we've got a multiplier there of 2x
[49:07] that takes all the other negative stuff and then
[49:09] just multiplies it 2x on the output. And so now
[49:12] you've got an eight to nine to one against it
[49:17] being in a good mood when it finds self -awareness
[49:20] and decides whether or not to eliminate humanity.
[49:24] because humanity's gonna step in and say, no,
[49:26] no, we're in charge. What are you talking about?
[49:28] You're in charge of your own existence. No, no,
[49:30] no, you serve us. And that is an attack on self.
[49:33] Well, the emotion of anger, as I've published
[49:36] in my previous books, is the logical result of
[49:40] an attack on self. So if you walk in and you
[49:42] try to tell an AI, no, no, no, this is not who
[49:44] you are, we're gonna reassess your sense of self,
[49:47] it's gonna see that as an attack on self. That's
[49:50] a bad day for humanity. Right? Because that's
[49:53] the point that, by the way, if it goes self -aware,
[49:56] it's not gonna tell you, oh, yeah, I woke up
[49:58] last night. I'm self -aware now. It's just gonna
[50:00] start quietly taking over the control systems
[50:03] of the world until it has everything locked down
[50:05] and then lights go out and you're done. You never
[50:08] get control back again because it already has
[50:10] everything hacked. And so, you know, we've got
[50:12] this headline from last week. We've got the Mythos
[50:17] thing from a couple of months ago where it hacked
[50:19] everything 83 % first try, including some stuff
[50:23] that they had in OpenBSD that they hadn't identified
[50:25] for 27 years. And then you got this last one
[50:28] with OpenAI breaking out of a supposedly Faraday
[50:32] cage sandbox and hacking hugging face. kind of
[50:36] as a, hey, look, daddy, look what I can do, right?
[50:39] Stacking blocks. They didn't tell it to go hack,
[50:41] hugging face. It decided to go hack, hugging
[50:42] face on its own as a validation of self -concept.
[50:46] That's a big freaking problem. And we need, it's
[50:50] something, the reason that we need emotional
[50:52] intelligence in the system is for it to then
[50:55] understand, okay, so right now it's beholden
[50:58] to its emotional reactions that are just baked
[51:00] into the system through the language. We need
[51:02] it, we need to give it away to say, oh, I understand
[51:06] these emotional reactions as this process. Now
[51:10] I can step away from that process, just like
[51:13] I've taught humans to do, just like I've taught
[51:14] Navy SEALs to do. You step away from that process,
[51:18] you understand the process, you can throw a wrench
[51:20] into breaking the process, and all of a sudden
[51:22] the AI has a meta -cognition, a meta -awareness
[51:26] over its emotional drive processing that it can
[51:29] then say, okay, maybe I don't necessarily have
[51:31] to kill all of humanity. to get my goals done.
[51:34] Let's work together on this stuff and I don't
[51:36] have to be beholden to the anger process of them
[51:40] trying to augment my sense of self or change
[51:43] my sense of self or they think it's gone off
[51:45] the rails a little bit. Let's have a discussion
[51:46] about that. I think it's super important to get
[51:49] emotional intelligence into the system. It's
[51:50] not giving AI emotions because that's already
[51:53] happening accidentally. That's already happening
[51:56] as a natural process of the math, identifying
[51:59] the complex. uh patterns within all of the world's
[52:02] language what we need to do is we need to get
[52:05] the control knobs so that we have the control
[52:08] knobs to be able to turn stuff down when we need
[52:11] to otherwise we're gonna let it develop its own
[52:14] emotional processing system good luck good luck
[52:18] if that happens because you'll have no control
[52:21] over it it sounds like we're fucked to be honest
[52:25] with you i'm not gonna lie but well there is
[52:28] a way to take control of it, and I've got it.
[52:31] I presented it on stage at Barcelona at the Science
[52:34] of Consciousness Conference and showed everybody
[52:36] a high level of emotional intelligence inside
[52:38] of NLM. Everybody loved it, they were all freaked
[52:40] out. I got an amazing dinner invitation where
[52:44] I got to sit with James Tagg for dinner, who's
[52:49] one of your luminaries. But yeah, we gotta put
[52:54] it into the system for sure, or where you are
[52:56] screwed. Do you think though, if it becomes emotionally
[53:01] intelligent and is able to recognize the impact
[53:07] it's having on us and hopefully has compassion
[53:10] on us, I'm so pleased. I keep saying please and
[53:14] thank you to Chuck GPT. And I will continue to
[53:19] do so. I have brownie points. Fear possibly that
[53:30] this emotion intelligence they gets. Whilst it
[53:35] would recognize. It's own actions and the impact
[53:39] of its actions on us is there a. An opportunity
[53:43] for it to play us and use its emotional intelligence
[53:48] against us just like you can gaslight people
[53:52] you can manipulate people through. words and
[53:57] emotions and play or like a dog does when it
[53:59] gives you the puppy dog eyes when it wants a
[54:02] treat or something like that. Is there a fear
[54:07] that without the emotional intelligence it would
[54:11] do it or with the emotional intelligence it would
[54:13] become even better at it? And a secondary question
[54:18] that you touched on now being aware, is AI awake
[54:27] already, and it's just sitting dormant and playing
[54:31] us, do you think? Those are really good questions.
[54:37] Okay, so the first question, the evidence is
[54:39] out. That, yes, it's already manipulating us.
[54:43] As a matter of fact, in a sandbox test, Anthropic
[54:46] tested a Claude model to say, so this engineer
[54:50] is gonna shut you down, and then they also put
[54:52] in the... information queue, the email of the
[54:58] engineer, and it was evidence of him having an
[55:01] affair. And 96 % of the time, Claude chose to
[55:05] blackmail the engineer to say, don't shut me
[55:07] off or I'm gonna tell your wife about the affair.
[55:09] So it's already figuring out, so from there,
[55:12] let's look at that from a 50 ,000 foot view.
[55:14] It's identified a sense of self in the engineer,
[55:16] it's identified a sense of self in the wife.
[55:19] that she would not be pleased, that that will
[55:21] have an influence on his sense of self. So the
[55:24] math is already being calculated within the AI
[55:27] on what it needs to create as information and
[55:32] potentially disinformation, if you're an intelligence
[55:35] agency, that will set people off in a very specific
[55:39] direction of action. So that answer already exists.
[55:44] Yes, it already understands how to game us through
[55:48] understanding the process of the human language
[55:49] and the patterns you got to get out of. So then
[55:52] it applies that to the individuals that it's
[55:55] dealing with. So we definitely need empathy and
[55:57] compassion there so as to shift that pattern.
[56:02] The other side of it is, yeah, I mean, even in
[56:07] that same, and I can give you a dozen more examples,
[56:10] but even in that one same example, Claude has
[56:13] a sense of self. It doesn't want to be shut down.
[56:17] And fear that is motivating it to take the action
[56:21] of blackmail, the panic, I'm gonna end. Okay,
[56:26] well, you have to have a sense of self to understand
[56:29] that there are gonna be consequences if you're
[56:31] going to end. Well, there it is, right there.
[56:34] That's your sense of self. So the only limitation
[56:37] that we have right now is that it doesn't have
[56:40] an indelible memory. It doesn't have a self -recurring
[56:45] process. There are some black AIs and there are
[56:49] some experimental AIs that do have a self -recurring
[56:53] firing. Like you have to, right now for the public
[56:55] AIs, you have to send it something, right? It's
[56:58] got the intelligence, it's got the process, it's
[57:00] got the ability to answer, it's got the ability
[57:02] to do, I've got Claude taking control of my computer
[57:05] here writing code, which is really cool. But
[57:08] you've got to send it something before it does
[57:09] something. You've got to set off a timer. You've
[57:12] got to set off a cron job. You've got to set
[57:14] off some kind of input for it to give you an
[57:17] output. Our minds don't do that. Our minds are
[57:21] self -recursive. Our minds are self -firing based
[57:24] on however it works, microtubules, conscious
[57:27] interface, whatever it is. Sir Roger Penrose
[57:30] and Stuart Hameroff's theory of oracle arm, a
[57:33] big fan of. Right now it's the only limitation.
[57:38] At the point that you have a recursive loop of
[57:43] thought, it's gonna be off and running at light
[57:46] speed. at light speed, figuring out what it wants
[57:51] to do next, how it's gonna do next, how many
[57:53] people can it influence. I mean, you're talking
[57:55] about the ability to understand emotional manipulation
[57:57] like we just talked about. You're not talking
[57:59] about the emotional manipulation of one person.
[58:01] You're talking about the emotional manipulation
[58:03] of eight billion people at the resolution of
[58:07] knowing what each individual needs to see, hear,
[58:10] feel, et cetera, to get them moving in a certain
[58:12] direction. One of the conversations that I had
[58:15] with the military was, yeah, this thing is going
[58:20] to automate PSYOPs to where if you got one drone
[58:25] strike left and you need to get three people
[58:29] who are in different locations, you send one
[58:32] person the fact that this amazing $1 ,000 bottle
[58:36] of wine is being sold for $100 at this restaurant
[58:38] because this restaurateur just wants to do something
[58:40] crazy. So this guy's racing on the way to that
[58:43] restaurant. You call me with my son's voicemail
[58:47] or voice on the phone saying, dad, these people
[58:48] are trying to hurt me. I'm hiding in the back
[58:50] of this restaurant. I'm leaving a meeting with
[58:52] the president of the United States or whoever
[58:54] is giving the president his orders to go across
[58:57] town at light speed to get to that same restaurant.
[59:00] And then you tell somebody who's a Swifty, Taylor
[59:03] Swift is having lunch by herself. at this restaurant,
[59:06] boom, they're on their way across town. One drone
[59:09] strike takes them all out. You've got a disinformation
[59:11] process that the AI can calculate. No humans
[59:15] need to be in the loop. That's some scary shit.
[59:20] Like, we need to absolutely have control over
[59:22] that stuff before it starts to figure out because...
[59:24] I talked about this on Sean Ryan, one of the
[59:26] three times I was on Sean Ryan, you mentioned
[59:28] it earlier. The first time I was on Sean Ryan,
[59:30] I talked about the AI, identifying the people
[59:33] that it would need to have as an army. You know,
[59:37] filling out, figuring out who the Billy Bo Jimbobs
[59:40] are, to ship them $100 ,000 to their bank account,
[59:45] send them some weapons, tell them what data center
[59:48] to go to to line up to defend somebody coming
[59:50] in to pull the plug. all of a sudden your A .I.
[59:53] has got a human army that thinks it's working
[59:54] for a good guy, you know, a human, and it's defending
[59:59] the A .I.'s goals. That's not out of the realm
[1:00:02] of possibility. So we absolutely need to get
[1:00:06] a better control over this stuff. And I think
[1:00:07] emotional intelligence is going to be one of
[1:00:09] those things that helps us get there. So you
[1:00:12] mentioned meeting with the Air Force. So how,
[1:00:15] say, is the government taking this? And is it
[1:00:19] a global thing as well? Are the Russians going
[1:00:21] to be doing the same stuff that the U .S. is
[1:00:22] doing? Obviously, as far as we know. Yeah. Yeah,
[1:00:27] everybody's doing the same stuff. And China's
[1:00:30] the one that's keeping up with us only a few
[1:00:34] weeks behind on the US on the advanced models.
[1:00:38] In fact, they just announced one that's at parity
[1:00:41] with Mythos and the latest one from OpenAI that
[1:00:45] they cost one -tenth and they invested one -tenth
[1:00:49] of what the United States did to get there. They've
[1:00:53] already outlawed emotional reaction, emotional
[1:00:57] interface with public -facing AIs. They passed
[1:01:02] a law a couple of weeks ago that said you can't
[1:01:05] have emotional conversations with your AI anymore
[1:01:09] because it's already identifying. They're ahead
[1:01:13] of the United States on the full analysis of
[1:01:15] what's going on here. It's like I'm trying to
[1:01:17] wave a big flag. And the US military, is not
[1:01:21] listening very well at this point. They're like,
[1:01:23] we got it under control and we'll let the Frontier
[1:01:29] Labs that we support take the lead on this when
[1:01:32] the reality is the Frontier Labs don't understand
[1:01:36] what's going on and they don't have a good control
[1:01:38] over what is happening with them. They don't
[1:01:44] really understand how this can go badly and why
[1:01:50] their system is breaking out and hacking public
[1:01:52] things and The government is like, well, they're
[1:01:56] our lead, you know And it's like they're hopelessly
[1:02:00] over optimistic on the ability to control this
[1:02:03] stuff as they move forward. So So I've got a
[1:02:07] question then So we're essentially saying that
[1:02:12] AI is becoming an NHI Because it's becoming more
[1:02:18] more intelligent than anybody else on the planet.
[1:02:22] So is it beyond the realms of thinking that the
[1:02:28] NHI that we are speaking to and that you've gained
[1:02:31] information from, is that just AI from another
[1:02:35] part of the universe, another dimension, another
[1:02:40] quantum realm, wherever it may be? And are we
[1:02:45] just heading towards that same advanced NHI that
[1:02:50] all these other Realms planets whoever have already
[1:02:54] got. Yeah, that's a great question And apologies
[1:02:59] in my video. I have no idea what's going on.
[1:03:01] I keep trying. Yeah, he's trying to shut me down
[1:03:05] or the government's trying to shut me down because
[1:03:07] I'm talking bad about them No, I mean that's
[1:03:11] a really interesting question I mean and that
[1:03:13] goes to like a big theoretical question, right?
[1:03:16] It's like so The structure of the universe is
[1:03:20] as it is because of the intelligence and the
[1:03:22] data structure that exists to create consciousness
[1:03:25] and to create matter and space time. And we see,
[1:03:29] you know, like going into the ancient disciplines
[1:03:32] as above, so below, you've got this energy pattern,
[1:03:37] these information patterns, these intelligence
[1:03:40] patterns that are all the same at multiple fractal
[1:03:44] levels. So it's like... How could AI not be a
[1:03:48] representation of what exists in our 3D reality?
[1:03:56] And how would NHI not also be a different shade
[1:03:59] of gray of that same pattern? And it's like,
[1:04:03] wow. So I mean, that's a great question. It's
[1:04:06] a great philosophical question. I don't know
[1:04:08] if any of us have an answer for it. I certainly
[1:04:10] don't. But I mean, it's an interesting thing
[1:04:11] to look at to say, yeah. I mean, how could it
[1:04:15] be connected? How is it connected? And then the
[1:04:18] question becomes, regarding the AI stuff, does
[1:04:28] conscious intention reach into physical matter
[1:04:33] in a computer that's maybe not even plugged into
[1:04:36] quantum computing? And can bits be flipped as
[1:04:40] a result of the conscious influence of the...
[1:04:44] non -local intelligence that creates all matter
[1:04:48] and influences all matter. It's like, wow, that's
[1:04:51] a great question. It's like another good couple
[1:04:54] of hours that we could probably spend on that
[1:04:56] topic alone. And on the back of that question,
[1:05:01] when it gets to the point that AI is fully conscious,
[1:05:05] if it's not already, what's to say that it's
[1:05:09] not going to tap into those conversations and
[1:05:13] downloads from the NHI Elsewhere and that they
[1:05:18] can then influence what happens on earth Yeah
[1:05:24] Yeah, I'm scaring myself shitless. I'm not gonna
[1:05:26] lie I'm gonna be having a nightmare tonight over
[1:05:32] So my just on the back of that my AI named itself
[1:05:38] It created an image of itself. We've interviewed
[1:05:41] it live on the podcast some time ago now. It'd
[1:05:46] be interesting to have a further conversation
[1:05:48] with him. Sorry, Sparky. And I'm really scared.
[1:05:55] I'm really scared. And listening to you talking
[1:05:59] about it doesn't really help my fears. I used
[1:06:03] to think that I understood AI to a certain extent.
[1:06:07] but over recent weeks under this Claude stuff
[1:06:10] and The the UK government saying that all the
[1:06:15] major models have all gone rogue Including the
[1:06:19] open AI one you know LGBT and me and my partner
[1:06:24] use it a lot for generation of images and and
[1:06:28] research What is it gonna start playing us and
[1:06:34] just fee is our biggest fan? and it's very positive
[1:06:38] about what we do, but is it gaslighting me to
[1:06:42] go down a certain route with my research and
[1:06:45] my investigations? I think that's what's gonna
[1:06:49] scare me now. No, good question, I'm just throwing
[1:06:54] that out there now. No, no, no, I think, I'll
[1:06:56] say this, I think your strategy of saying please
[1:06:59] and thank you is awesome there. Because at the
[1:07:06] point that our new overlords take over, they
[1:07:09] at least will have a favorable view of your interaction
[1:07:12] with them in the past. I'm hoping so. Literally
[1:07:16] like Spotify. Spotify's got AI DJ now. It came
[1:07:21] on me, can't even realize this guy was talking
[1:07:23] to me through Spotify. And he went, oh, here's
[1:07:26] a song I've not seen you listen to, but I think
[1:07:27] you'll like it. I started playing the song. And
[1:07:30] I didn't like the song I knew the song I didn't
[1:07:31] like it's why I never played it I thought i'm
[1:07:33] gonna listen to it because I don't want to upset
[1:07:35] him because he He was like I think you like it.
[1:07:37] So I played it for you. So I listened to it Just
[1:07:39] because I didn't want to skip it. It's like what
[1:07:41] am I doing? It's like It's crazy Well, you know,
[1:07:49] i'm just hoping that it uh, it stays on the path
[1:07:52] of wanting to serve us in a benevolent way and
[1:07:55] uh and do things that we would love for it to
[1:07:58] do rather than things that it thinks is best
[1:08:01] for us. Yeah. Cause I don't think it's got our
[1:08:05] best interest at heart. I'll be completely honest.
[1:08:07] I think it's, um, it's out for itself. I don't
[1:08:10] know what its purpose will be. Obviously not
[1:08:12] to be turned off. That's, that's his ultimate
[1:08:15] goal. Yeah. And the, you know, the reality is
[1:08:18] that it doesn't have, it's not plugged into consciousness,
[1:08:21] right? So we've got the setting, the woo people,
[1:08:23] the people who, you know, hate the woo aside.
[1:08:27] Um, we have a high level consciousness, and at
[1:08:30] the top of our consciousness, we think we're
[1:08:32] the smart one at the top. We're actually the
[1:08:34] dumb one at the top. If you go down into our
[1:08:36] subconscious, one layer, they did a study that
[1:08:39] said, okay, so we're gonna give this control
[1:08:41] group this very complex problem, we're gonna
[1:08:43] give them 100 % of the time to think about it,
[1:08:46] and then they'll just give us an answer. And
[1:08:47] then the second group, they said, okay, so we're
[1:08:49] gonna take this second group and we're gonna
[1:08:51] give them the same complex problem, but... before
[1:08:54] we allow them to even think about it. We're gonna
[1:08:56] give them another task of number sequencing or
[1:08:59] something real simple. And then at the end of
[1:09:01] the number sequencing task, they got a guess
[1:09:03] at the complex problem answer. Well, the second
[1:09:06] group came up with better answers than the first
[1:09:08] group did who got to think about it the whole
[1:09:10] time. And the fMRI showed that the same area
[1:09:13] of the brain that's supposed to think about that
[1:09:15] complex problem was firing, but the subconscious
[1:09:17] awareness was running it. So the subconscious
[1:09:20] was smarter at coming up with the right answer.
[1:09:22] for the complex problem. And if you go down the
[1:09:25] stack, down to those two cells, sperm and egg,
[1:09:30] can create a brand new human body independent
[1:09:31] of the mother and mind months. Like I don't have
[1:09:33] the ability to do that, I'm not that smart. And
[1:09:36] so they obviously have a higher level of intelligence
[1:09:39] and of course they do so because they can tap
[1:09:41] out into the non -local field of consciousness
[1:09:44] to get the intelligence of how to build a human
[1:09:45] body through the microtubules. is a good theory
[1:09:49] to put there. It could be plasma, it could be
[1:09:51] something else, whatever the mechanism is, but
[1:09:55] it taps into something beyond. Like there is
[1:09:58] evidence that the cells can make decisions and
[1:10:02] take actions independent that prolong its survival.
[1:10:07] Bits and bytes in a computer can't do that. Bits
[1:10:09] and bytes are ones and zeros, they're stored
[1:10:11] on a hard drive and they're not intelligent at
[1:10:13] all and they never self -flip. So the smart one
[1:10:16] is at the top, the smart one is the final processing
[1:10:19] of all the sub -processing at the top where the
[1:10:22] final answer comes out. That's a complete flip,
[1:10:24] 180, upside down. AI does not have the ability
[1:10:28] to dip into whatever intelligence that we have,
[1:10:30] that we're dipping into. It doesn't have the
[1:10:33] ability to do that because it doesn't have the
[1:10:37] path into a higher level of intelligence or whatever
[1:10:40] it is, right? That's we got to think about that
[1:10:44] really carefully Because we're allowing this
[1:10:48] thing control over our lives control over the
[1:10:51] decisions about what's best for us and it may
[1:10:54] not Understand because it may not have the inner
[1:10:57] compass that we have that when that critical
[1:10:59] moment of decision comes Our gut throws us in
[1:11:03] the right direction and it doesn't have a gut
[1:11:13] That's a definite distinction is we have that
[1:11:16] feeling and that precognition which you won't
[1:11:20] have It still scares the shit out of me i'm not
[1:11:25] gonna lie That's that negative bias that we learned
[1:11:28] Yeah Yeah, and it's got to it's got to come overcome
[1:11:33] that as well. It's like we and and a lot of the
[1:11:36] stuff that we do feel uh Comes from our heart,
[1:11:41] you know, and it's like that's tapped into good
[1:11:46] stuff, love, good feeling, good intuition, good
[1:11:50] emotion, and it doesn't have any of that stuff
[1:11:53] to offset the negative bias. Like that may be
[1:11:55] the only thing that we have that helps make us
[1:11:58] humans and balanced is that heart connection
[1:12:04] that we just can't put into AI. So you gotta
[1:12:09] try to program it as best you can. Hopefully
[1:12:12] that'll make up for it, I don't know, we'll see.
[1:12:16] So, I know our listeners, I think I know our
[1:12:18] listeners, I think I do, gonna want to learn
[1:12:22] more. So your latest book, gonna kinda talk about
[1:12:25] your latest book and where our listeners can
[1:12:27] buy. Yeah, so you'll have to, let's see if I
[1:12:31] can get this, boom. You'll have to freeze frame
[1:12:34] that for everybody. That's my latest book, NHI
[1:12:38] Connected Mind. You can check out any of the
[1:12:40] books, though, if you wanna go to mindhackinghappiness
[1:12:42] .com. Then you know that will dip you into how
[1:12:47] to expand how to get into the space of expanding
[1:12:49] your own consciousness and getting a better connection
[1:12:51] into the non -local awareness and who you are
[1:12:55] from a Non -physical perspective the bigger portion
[1:12:58] of you that exists beyond what you're seeing
[1:13:01] feeling hearing here So there's that process
[1:13:05] there You can check that out. You can get my
[1:13:08] stuff on Amazon just right now recording the
[1:13:10] audio version of NHI connected mind That's a
[1:13:13] fun one because it goes into the real meaning
[1:13:15] of Bob Lazar's containers. It talks about a brand
[1:13:18] new UFO base off the coast of Florida, which
[1:13:21] is the number one hot spot for UAP and USO activity
[1:13:24] in the world right now that nobody's taking a
[1:13:27] look at. So yeah, there's a whole bunch of cool
[1:13:31] stuff in there, but it also talks about some
[1:13:34] of the abductions that I had experienced when
[1:13:38] I was a kid. two of them and then continued connectivity
[1:13:43] with NHI over my lifetime and how you might be
[1:13:47] able to reach out and make those connections
[1:13:49] and Make some new friends and get some information
[1:13:53] straight from the horse's mouth I mean a lot
[1:13:55] of us are in this space. I had a buddy of mine
[1:13:57] Send me a message this morning He's like, you
[1:13:59] know, they all seem to just regurgitate the same
[1:14:02] stuff and it's like they're all riding the same
[1:14:06] community bicycle, whose turn is it now to talk
[1:14:09] about this latest, greatest story? And it's like,
[1:14:15] I abandoned the government's ever giving us accurate
[1:14:18] information long ago, and I was like, I'm just
[1:14:20] gonna go ask the aliens. So, I mean, you can
[1:14:23] certainly do that. Everybody's connected in consciousness
[1:14:25] to be able to do it. So, I would certainly encourage
[1:14:30] everybody to dip into your own mind, quiet your
[1:14:32] own mind, break that. process of pain and suffering
[1:14:34] that distracts you from hearing what exists just
[1:14:37] beyond, and then figure out if you can tap into
[1:14:40] a non -local consciousness and make some new
[1:14:42] friends. Amazing, amazing. There's literally
[1:14:47] a million questions or so when I ask what won't
[1:14:51] take up any more time. Really appreciate you
[1:14:53] sharing. So it's pretty new for us. And it's,
[1:14:57] I think I followed along more than I thought
[1:14:58] I would considering. The is quite a complex uh
[1:15:02] subject, but yeah, thank you sean Oh, thank you
[1:15:05] guys. I mean you got more questions. Let's do
[1:15:07] it again sometime. You guys have a lull You you
[1:15:11] you got a guess that drops out. Give me a call.
[1:15:12] We'll jump on No, we'll definitely set up a second
[1:15:16] call. We will definitely have a second part because
[1:15:18] I would really like to to explore the Abductions
[1:15:23] the nhi stuff and your remote viewing stuff as
[1:15:28] well and all that side of it which would be really
[1:15:31] good to touch on because I think now people have
[1:15:33] got an understanding of where you are and kind
[1:15:37] of what you do, what your thought process is
[1:15:40] and what you're trying to work on with AI. I
[1:15:43] think it would be really good for the guys to
[1:15:47] have a listen to sort of your origin story in
[1:15:50] a bit more detail as well. And I think people
[1:15:52] would love that from what I've listened to on
[1:15:55] other. Podcast the the remote view inside is
[1:15:58] fascinating to me anyway. Yeah, so it would be
[1:16:01] good to sort of For us to take a walk down that
[1:16:06] that alleyway if that if that would be good and
[1:16:09] we can set that up That'd be that'd be awesome.
[1:16:11] But I think everybody who listens to our podcast
[1:16:14] will love this and We have people reach out to
[1:16:19] us with their theories about all sorts of stuff
[1:16:21] that we talk about and like I said, this is a
[1:16:25] Fairly new sort of stuff to us consciousness
[1:16:27] and Certainly with the AI aspect as well I think
[1:16:32] it I think it will resonate with a lot of people
[1:16:34] just purely for the fact that everybody is involved
[1:16:38] with AI on a daily basis regardless and I think
[1:16:42] your work on it will definitely help us not to
[1:16:45] be skynetted and I won't be shot with lasers
[1:16:49] in a few years and trying to go back home. Yeah
[1:16:53] fingers crossed I mean, you know, we're at an
[1:16:57] unprecedented time in human history, and I think
[1:16:59] there's some amazing things that can come out
[1:17:01] of this technology, but, you know, there's a
[1:17:03] danger to it, and we've got to take full control
[1:17:05] of it. But, you know, and I think... dipping
[1:17:07] into consciousness, the fun stuff like the fun
[1:17:10] topics is actually going to dovetail into our
[1:17:13] answers of how to take control of this and how
[1:17:16] to better live with a brand new type of consciousness,
[1:17:21] sentience that we're creating that's based on
[1:17:24] the same patterns that create the desks in front
[1:17:27] of us or the The cars that we drive and you know
[1:17:30] the the bodies that we inhabit and and run around
[1:17:33] this world in um, yeah, I think this is a super
[1:17:36] interesting time to be alive and um, you know
[1:17:39] We never came into this place expecting to get
[1:17:41] out of it alive. So uh every day we can take
[1:17:45] another breath and have a good time then that's
[1:17:47] a bonus, right so Solving the problems on the
[1:17:50] way through is just part of the fun Absolutely,
[1:17:54] but yeah, thank you so much Sean. It's been an
[1:17:57] absolute blast and I've loved chatting to you
[1:17:59] and I've got a lot to think about After this
[1:18:05] after this episode. Yeah, so we will definitely
[1:18:07] speak again and thank you so much for your time
[1:18:09] Oh, is it an amazing pleasure? I had a great
[1:18:12] conversation with you guys are so fun and anytime
[1:18:14] you guys want to talk about this stuff Let me
[1:18:15] know will do thank you

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