# All Pain Is One Malady w/ Kadia Saraf

An episode of [That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1540370040), 23 Sep 2025, 2 h 07 min.

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In this week’s episode, Kara and Liza tackle “All Pain Is One Malady” (Season 24, Episode 22), discuss the wild Michelle Hadley “Rape Fantasy” case, and interview the wonderful Kadia Saraf (Dexter: Resurrection). SOURCES: Manhattan DA NBC News 1 NBC News 2 United States Attorney’s Office: Eastern District of California U.S. Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: Dateline - Diabolical Next week’s episode will be “Prima Nocta” (Season 25, Episode 11). Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
[0:04] Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
[0:06] Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
[0:07] Speaker 3: These episodes are based on.
[0:09] Speaker 4: These are our stories, done done?
[0:27] Speaker 3: Who do you?
[0:28] Speaker 2: Who's that's messed up?
[0:32] Speaker 3: But that SVU podcast, I am Li's a tragger and
[0:36] Speaker 3: I'm Kerrick Clink.
[0:37] Speaker 1: And when we're not interview starting the episode in a
[0:41] Speaker 1: completely unhinged manner, we are recapping episodes of SVU talking
[0:47] Speaker 1: about the true crimes. They're based on, interviewing celeb guests,
[0:50] Speaker 1: actors from the episode. And today is a big one
[0:54] Speaker 1: the world at large. Yeah, we got a great guest today.
[0:58] Speaker 1: But first, last look, this is coming out probably a
[1:01] Speaker 1: few days later, so it's gonna be a little bit
[1:04] Speaker 1: of old news. But last night was the Emmys, and
[1:06] Speaker 1: I would say Law and Order had a massive presence.
[1:09] Speaker 3: Yes, they did this.
[1:11] Speaker 1: It felt very stilted to me, like for people that
[1:14] Speaker 1: have been career actors. It just felt like everybody was
[1:18] Speaker 1: maybe they didn't read maybe yeah it was a teleprompter. Yeah,
[1:22] Speaker 1: I don't think there didn't feel like there was a
[1:23] Speaker 1: lot of rehearsal. And then like I think iced Tea's
[1:26] Speaker 1: first line.
[1:27] Speaker 3: Was a joke. It was all about Marishka.
[1:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, the first line that Iced Tea said was a joke,
[1:32] Speaker 1: but I think it got swallowed and so it was
[1:33] Speaker 1: just kind of awkward silence, and then it was like, okay, guys,
[1:37] Speaker 1: this isn't the roast of Marushka hargitat. But it was
[1:41] Speaker 1: cute to see them all. Fashion Wise, I hated what
[1:46] Speaker 1: Christopher Maloney was wearing.
[1:48] Speaker 3: I thought that were weird. It was so ugly. The
[1:50] Speaker 3: pants were a weird cut.
[1:51] Speaker 1: I did not like this like this like it looked
[1:54] Speaker 1: like hypercolor. It reminded me of a hypercolor shirt from
[1:56] Speaker 1: when I was like a kid. She was wearing something
[1:59] Speaker 1: different on the Emmy stage than when she was wearing
[2:02] Speaker 1: the red.
[2:03] Speaker 2: Both of me, the red looked so beautiful. She's really
[2:07] Speaker 2: just crushing it in every.
[2:10] Speaker 1: But then I watched Nikki Bell, who I love, watching
[2:12] Speaker 1: his reviews, and he did not like Murshca's red dress,
[2:15] Speaker 1: and I was like, not that I agree with all
[2:17] Speaker 1: of his takes, but I was surprised because I just
[2:19] Speaker 1: thought she looked like stunning.
[2:22] Speaker 2: I don't know, they all look good. Tony Goldwyn, I'm like,
[2:26] Speaker 2: is he like in the reboot or something. I'm like
[2:28] Speaker 2: one of.
[2:28] Speaker 3: These, he's originally he's in the original reboot. Yes, in
[2:32] Speaker 3: the reboot reboot.
[2:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was looking at him and I go, what,
[2:35] Speaker 2: because you were in one episode of Dexter?
[2:37] Speaker 3: Why are you here? No? No, no, no no.
[2:40] Speaker 2: But he does look good. I mean, listen, they're a
[2:43] Speaker 2: good group. I like anytime they get attention.
[2:46] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:47] Speaker 1: I sold the dress to Tony Goldwyn one time when
[2:49] Speaker 1: I was what's thirteen nineteen the kid's clothing story I
[2:54] Speaker 1: worked in my town.
[2:55] Speaker 3: I was a child, I was. I was starstruck because
[2:58] Speaker 3: I love him and whis from What's he Big? In
[3:01] Speaker 3: Well Scandal. He's the bad guy in Ghost and His
[3:04] Speaker 3: Ghost a blind spot for you? Yeah, it is. I've
[3:07] Speaker 3: never seen Ghost.
[3:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, Casey's a spoiler. That's a spoiler that he's kind
[3:11] Speaker 1: of bad.
[3:12] Speaker 3: Sorry, well, I don't care.
[3:13] Speaker 2: I know there's about twenty five I know a lot
[3:15] Speaker 2: of stuff that's going on.
[3:16] Speaker 3: There's a lot of references. I'm with the yeah. Yeah,
[3:20] Speaker 3: but he's also just like in stuff.
[3:21] Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you know he's in hacks now, but
[3:23] Speaker 1: I've just like known him and stuff forever. And then
[3:25] Speaker 1: he came into the store, and I was just like,
[3:26] Speaker 1: you know, I only ever helped him and Glenn Close
[3:29] Speaker 1: were the only famous people I ever helped, and so
[3:32] Speaker 1: both of them.
[3:32] Speaker 2: I was like, so, I will say, Emmy's I hate
[3:36] Speaker 2: Nate Bragatzi. And to see that all the articles or
[3:39] Speaker 2: that he sucked are they are it's all like he
[3:42] Speaker 2: seemed nervous, nothing hit like the charity timer. People hated
[3:46] Speaker 2: that it's like you're rushing people who have worked their
[3:48] Speaker 2: whole lives for this and then.
[3:51] Speaker 3: Taking money away from kids in the process.
[3:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that it didn't actually play out and that
[3:57] Speaker 2: he Yeah, I just there wasn't any glowing stuff, and
[4:00] Speaker 2: especially after like Nikki and Conan.
[4:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing that I read was that excited.
[4:06] Speaker 3: The only thing I read was that ratings were up,
[4:09] Speaker 3: and I sort of assumed that was just because of
[4:11] Speaker 3: the Republican nature of him or something. Yeah, that he
[4:15] Speaker 3: would bring viewers, They would bring people that are like,
[4:17] Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch them, but my boy Nick Bargatzi is
[4:19] Speaker 3: host it, you know. Yeah, Well I'm glad he sucked.
[4:22] Speaker 2: And also what I love is when everyone is happy
[4:25] Speaker 2: for someone and every single story in my Instagram was
[4:30] Speaker 2: Jeff Hiller.
[4:31] Speaker 3: It was Jeff Hiller love.
[4:33] Speaker 2: Everyone was out of control happy, and I love when
[4:36] Speaker 2: we can have a hero. It's very Tim Robinson AI,
[4:38] Speaker 2: like we love a hero, everyone's happy.
[4:43] Speaker 1: We just started watching that show a couple of weeks ago.
[4:46] Speaker 1: When I love it.
[4:48] Speaker 3: I love it.
[4:48] Speaker 1: I've always loved Bridget And when I was an intern
[4:51] Speaker 1: at UCB, Jeff was like one of the big stars
[4:53] Speaker 1: Jeff Hiller at UCB, and I remember being.
[4:56] Speaker 3: Like, this guy is gonna be huge.
[4:58] Speaker 1: Like I was just like, this guy is so fucking
[5:01] Speaker 1: off the charts funny, and then he was doing stuff.
[5:05] Speaker 1: I saw him and stuff forever, but like you know,
[5:08] Speaker 1: I was like so excited to see him have that moment,
[5:12] Speaker 1: like truly, everybody was like couldn't have happened to a
[5:15] Speaker 1: better person, Like just such a good guy.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad for adolescents. I didn't watch it,
[5:20] Speaker 2: but I'm really glad for that whole production and maybe
[5:24] Speaker 2: I'll watch it.
[5:24] Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch it.
[5:25] Speaker 1: It's only three episodes apparently, so I think I watch It's.
[5:28] Speaker 2: Like I can only handle so much. Yeah, in terms
[5:31] Speaker 2: of trauma, I just I know.
[5:33] Speaker 3: But also like that's how I feel about the Pit.
[5:35] Speaker 3: I really want to I just go back to Dexter.
[5:37] Speaker 3: I can't watch the Pit.
[5:38] Speaker 1: It's too It's like I watched the first episode was
[5:41] Speaker 1: like this is great, and I also don't want to
[5:43] Speaker 1: watch disgusting like surgeries and like clothing getting cut off
[5:47] Speaker 1: of like bloody bodies.
[5:49] Speaker 2: I mean it's just like, I mean, yes, I watch
[5:51] Speaker 2: the YouTube guy doctor Mike, who I've always liked. He's
[5:54] Speaker 2: like part like from where I'm from. He's really huge
[5:57] Speaker 2: on YouTube now Beyond. But he Noah Wiley did his po.
[6:02] Speaker 2: I love this guy, this guy, but I was I
[6:05] Speaker 2: was not ahead of the curve. But I think he's
[6:07] Speaker 2: a consultant because he was on the Emmy red carpet
[6:09] Speaker 2: and he's like celebrating my friend Noah and I Noah
[6:13] Speaker 2: did his pod and I know he's like a famous
[6:15] Speaker 2: doctor podcaster. But I just feel like maybe he was
[6:18] Speaker 2: a consultant. I should look it up. I do like
[6:21] Speaker 2: I could look it up. But why would he be
[6:23] Speaker 2: at the Emmys. I think he had something to do
[6:25] Speaker 2: with the PIT.
[6:26] Speaker 1: I like this doctor Mike guy because I have seen him.
[6:31] Speaker 2: He's very cute, he's a good doctor. He listens, he
[6:34] Speaker 2: wants to grow and learn.
[6:36] Speaker 1: And I saw him like very calmly on one of
[6:39] Speaker 1: those like surrounded shows where he had to talk to
[6:43] Speaker 1: like idiot college like you know, Republican. I think they
[6:48] Speaker 1: know about anti vaxxing. Yeah, So.
[6:52] Speaker 3: I'm just like liking that.
[6:53] Speaker 1: My feed is a lot of health professionals that are
[6:55] Speaker 1: trying to like do undo the work that RFK is doing,
[6:59] Speaker 1: and he's one of them. So I like that, as
[7:03] Speaker 1: well as doctor Jessica Nurik, who I think I've shouted
[7:05] Speaker 1: up before and I love her. She's like gets everybody
[7:08] Speaker 1: to shut the fuck up about their misinformation about food
[7:12] Speaker 1: and stuff.
[7:13] Speaker 3: She just posted thing yesterday.
[7:14] Speaker 1: Trump said in an interview, three hundred million people died
[7:17] Speaker 1: of drugs last year. She was like, sixty two million
[7:20] Speaker 1: people died in the entire world for all causes last year.
[7:25] Speaker 1: It's just we're living in a simulation.
[7:28] Speaker 2: Back to the Emmys, I didn't watch. I looked at
[7:32] Speaker 2: some outfits.
[7:32] Speaker 3: I looked at I forgot you.
[7:35] Speaker 1: It's crazy because I used to be such a like
[7:38] Speaker 1: award show girl, Like I still watch the Oscars or
[7:40] Speaker 1: whatever and like, but I used to be like appointment
[7:43] Speaker 1: with the Emmys, with the with the Golden Globes and
[7:46] Speaker 1: now I just sort of miss them and watch the
[7:48] Speaker 1: clips later and read the winner's.
[7:50] Speaker 3: Lists, like I don't.
[7:52] Speaker 1: I don't always like sit and watch the whole thing.
[7:54] Speaker 1: But also, wait, what was I going to bring up
[7:58] Speaker 1: about the Emmys?
[7:59] Speaker 2: I do want to say? Come see me on tour. Dublin, London, Springfield, Missouri, Amsterdam, Baltimore.
[8:07] Speaker 2: I'm in Australia, Like, come see me San Francisco, get
[8:12] Speaker 2: it together.
[8:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, go see Lisa, guys, And if you are in
[8:16] Speaker 1: New York City this coming Sunday, the twenty eighth, I'm
[8:19] Speaker 1: hosting a show at the Bell House at five o'clock.
[8:23] Speaker 3: That's such a lovely early time.
[8:24] Speaker 1: Lisa's on the lineup along with Jay Jorden, Jake Cornell,
[8:28] Speaker 1: I'm a willman, Josh. It's such a fun lineup. Everybody's
[8:33] Speaker 1: gonna be great. It's for a great cause. It's in
[8:35] Speaker 1: memory of my friend Jed, who I've talked about on
[8:37] Speaker 1: the podcast before, and it's a benefit for the Connecticut
[8:42] Speaker 1: Pride Center, which is the Triangle Center in Connecticut, which
[8:45] Speaker 1: is like their LGBTQ organization in the area where I'm from.
[8:49] Speaker 1: So come it'll be so fun. It'll be like such
[8:52] Speaker 1: a great and you'll be out of there by six
[8:55] Speaker 1: thirty ish and ready to get to bed for your
[8:58] Speaker 1: Monday scaries or Sundays.
[8:59] Speaker 5: Go.
[9:00] Speaker 2: Marshabelski has a show that night at seven at Little Fields,
[9:03] Speaker 2: and I'm going to skip on over. I'm gonna have
[9:05] Speaker 2: like a real, a whole little night, a night baby
[9:09] Speaker 2: a go on this evening.
[9:11] Speaker 1: But don't plug that one. I don't want people to
[9:12] Speaker 1: go to that one. I want people to go to mine.
[9:14] Speaker 2: Wait, Okay, So I love Caleb's podcast So True, and
[9:19] Speaker 2: I watch it. So I'm watching it and it's his
[9:22] Speaker 2: episode with Grace Kool and Schmidt. It's from a year ago,
[9:25] Speaker 2: and she's so funny. She's so funny. So I'm getting excited.
[9:28] Speaker 2: I play it. I'm doing some stuff and then I
[9:32] Speaker 2: come up because I guess I was making phone calls
[9:36] Speaker 2: loudly in the room, and Caleb was like, she asked
[9:39] Speaker 2: if she can make a phone call.
[9:41] Speaker 3: We told her no, what is she doing? They seem
[9:44] Speaker 3: really mad.
[9:45] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to get more information, but they
[9:48] Speaker 2: were like that was insane, and I want to know
[9:50] Speaker 2: what I did, Like, I want to know what was
[9:51] Speaker 2: so insane. Obviously Caleb doesn't remember, like Grace hasn't received ago.
[9:56] Speaker 3: It's from a year ago.
[9:57] Speaker 2: But it wasn't like because if I was just talking
[9:59] Speaker 2: and I shouldn't that fine. But they were acting like
[10:01] Speaker 2: they're like that was insane. That was like a crazy
[10:04] Speaker 2: thing for her to do. And I'm like, who could
[10:05] Speaker 2: have called him been that crazy to I'm like so curious.
[10:09] Speaker 2: But I also like hearing my name you know.
[10:10] Speaker 1: Wait, they were recounting a time that they were just
[10:12] Speaker 1: hanging out with you.
[10:14] Speaker 3: It was happening, like he retorted in the podcast.
[10:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, like he recorded with me the day before, like
[10:18] Speaker 2: the episode before he banked him. Right, So I was
[10:20] Speaker 2: on my way out, she was in there recording and
[10:23] Speaker 2: I guess it was just like screaming.
[10:25] Speaker 3: On my phone in the building.
[10:28] Speaker 2: And so it was them being like, what the fuck
[10:31] Speaker 2: is that she is being crazy right now?
[10:33] Speaker 3: And I'm like, what could I have? I want to know.
[10:35] Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I'm so curious at who.
[10:38] Speaker 2: I like, what crazy noises.
[10:41] Speaker 3: I could have been making?
[10:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, but such a thrill to like hear your name, yeah,
[10:48] Speaker 2: and you don't know you're gonna hear it.
[10:50] Speaker 3: I like that totally fun. I never know. That never
[10:54] Speaker 3: happens to me.
[10:54] Speaker 1: Usually somebody messages me and says, you got brought up
[10:56] Speaker 1: on this thing, and then I have to go seek
[10:57] Speaker 1: it out.
[10:59] Speaker 2: But thanks everyone that came to see me in Plano, Texas.
[11:03] Speaker 3: That's it. I had a great time.
[11:06] Speaker 2: Actually the host Anna first day Benson and Finn ear rings.
[11:13] Speaker 2: Next day pink SVU badge earrings.
[11:16] Speaker 3: Oh, pretty thrilling. It was excited. She came to listen.
[11:21] Speaker 3: She knew I was. Hello. We got some information today
[11:32] Speaker 3: regarding Luigi.
[11:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know what, I prioritized my sleep and
[11:37] Speaker 2: rest and maybe I shouldn't have. I should have been
[11:39] Speaker 2: in court, but I you know, I've been right on
[11:42] Speaker 2: the money with all of my research. And the terrorism
[11:45] Speaker 2: charges on the state level were thrown out today the
[11:49] Speaker 2: day we're recording this. And also they're not allowed to
[11:54] Speaker 2: use the health information that they got from the insurance
[11:57] Speaker 2: companies with like a false subpoena, so the judge dismissed
[12:01] Speaker 2: that being used. However, he and there's another like more
[12:07] Speaker 2: serious murder charge that's off the table, So that means
[12:09] Speaker 2: the life sent there he has a possibility for parole.
[12:12] Speaker 2: It just goes down. It's all second degree stuff. The
[12:15] Speaker 2: one thing that the judge did not go for was
[12:18] Speaker 2: she really wants, like the state trial to wait till
[12:21] Speaker 2: the federal trial ends because it's hard to play both.
[12:24] Speaker 2: She called it like a quagmire or something. She's like,
[12:26] Speaker 2: there's just double jeopardy involved, but also they're conflicting. But
[12:30] Speaker 2: he does not give a fuck. So the next state
[12:32] Speaker 2: trial will be December first or like hearing or whatever,
[12:35] Speaker 2: and then the next federal will be December fourth. But
[12:40] Speaker 2: and then I think sooner than that is the Pennsylvania
[12:43] Speaker 2: court dates, so we'll see what happens there where they
[12:46] Speaker 2: have allowed him to be able to go in person.
[12:48] Speaker 2: But I'm just really happy that the terrorism charges are
[12:52] Speaker 2: off because it was not terrorism at all. I mean,
[12:57] Speaker 2: he's also not guilty, but he wasn't there, but it
[13:02] Speaker 2: was not terrorism.
[13:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't believe that, like, you
[13:08] Speaker 1: know what a massive case this is, and you're still
[13:10] Speaker 1: going to try to like get medical records in not
[13:12] Speaker 1: a buy the book way.
[13:13] Speaker 3: That's like, so it's.
[13:14] Speaker 1: One thing when it's like Maloney, you know, Grease and
[13:18] Speaker 1: some poems to get files on the show. This is
[13:20] Speaker 1: like a massive, worldwide known case, like you have to
[13:24] Speaker 1: do everything the right way.
[13:27] Speaker 3: And now it's out.
[13:27] Speaker 2: Well no, not in not in this America. You could
[13:30] Speaker 2: do whatever you want. Yeah, you can put someone on
[13:32] Speaker 2: a plane and go you're going there. So I don't
[13:35] Speaker 2: know what is real or not anymore. What he looked hot?
[13:44] Speaker 2: I you know, he looked sad. He didn't say a word.
[13:46] Speaker 2: There was not as much fun facial expression. So but
[13:50] Speaker 2: I also read something this last even before this, that
[13:53] Speaker 2: he's still reading like letters from January.
[13:55] Speaker 3: So I don't know what's going on. He's backed up,
[13:58] Speaker 3: he's backs up, but.
[14:01] Speaker 1: I can't believe everybody is actually sending the letters in
[14:03] Speaker 1: the right format and he's got that so many.
[14:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's they said that there was three rows
[14:09] Speaker 2: of Luigi fans in the courthouse.
[14:12] Speaker 3: Damn. So oh.
[14:14] Speaker 1: I remember the thing I was gonna say about the Emmys.
[14:16] Speaker 1: I posted this on our Instagram. But did you see
[14:18] Speaker 1: the video of Murushka and Christopher Maloney backstage where he's like,
[14:25] Speaker 1: she's like looking at the Emmys and she's like, you're
[14:27] Speaker 1: never gonna have one of these. But then she realizes
[14:29] Speaker 1: she's on camera and goes, oh shit. That really made
[14:33] Speaker 1: me laugh.
[14:34] Speaker 3: I feel like almost All the shit they do is like.
[14:36] Speaker 1: Posed and it's like baiting, you know, the audio, like
[14:38] Speaker 1: the audience, And that was like really funny, like yeah, yeah,
[14:43] Speaker 1: caught on camera, candid camera a moment.
[14:46] Speaker 3: She has one baby. Yeah, she's got Hopefully he'll get one.
[14:51] Speaker 3: Hopefully he'll have one one day.
[14:53] Speaker 2: I hope he wins for comedy, like I hope he does,
[14:56] Speaker 2: like an amazing other guest star.
[14:57] Speaker 3: And a comedy thing. I want him rewarded. Yeah, maybe
[15:01] Speaker 3: a golden globe and a funny movie. He's good.
[15:04] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think he needs awards. Oh you
[15:06] Speaker 2: mean in talent. I'm like, he doesn't need any And
[15:09] Speaker 2: he's like fine, what a wealthy man?
[15:12] Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, and you recently discovered he plays backgammon.
[15:17] Speaker 3: Oh my god.
[15:18] Speaker 2: I felt like uncomfortable because it's his daughter's Instagram, Like
[15:21] Speaker 2: I'm trying to be respectful, but he's shirtless playing backgammon.
[15:25] Speaker 2: I can't believe it. Like I now, it's like I
[15:29] Speaker 2: just I want to play backgammon with him so fucking bad.
[15:34] Speaker 2: Never have I wanted to play with someone more. I
[15:36] Speaker 2: think I'm gonna get back into the Monday night game,
[15:38] Speaker 2: Like I got to get back into playing in the
[15:39] Speaker 2: city because.
[15:40] Speaker 1: Like, remember when we had a guest and you just go,
[15:43] Speaker 1: do you play backgammon? And it was like their passion.
[15:46] Speaker 1: You just like knew it. But I think it was
[15:49] Speaker 1: Mark Machaka and Ercy Lanister. Yes, they play, and you
[15:54] Speaker 1: like sensed it. Nothing was said about it. You said
[15:57] Speaker 1: it out of nowhere. I was like, here she goes
[15:59] Speaker 1: with the backgammon and then it was like he was
[16:02] Speaker 1: like religiously every day, like it was so nuts.
[16:05] Speaker 3: Wait, dude, do you know Mookie Thompson comment, I'm assuming.
[16:08] Speaker 3: So I saw him last night and somehow I.
[16:11] Speaker 2: Brought up poker and he had like worked and played
[16:14] Speaker 2: poker for decades and now he plays chess hardcore. And
[16:18] Speaker 2: I was saying, how I really want to play backgammon
[16:21] Speaker 2: in the parks like in Union Square, but I'm a
[16:23] Speaker 2: little intimidated and I don't know what. And he goes,
[16:26] Speaker 2: they would be thrilled to play with you. He goes,
[16:28] Speaker 2: they might be fast to go, and he goes, it's
[16:30] Speaker 2: five dollars a game. He's like it, just go have fun,
[16:33] Speaker 2: and he goes, once they realize you know the moves
[16:35] Speaker 2: and can play, I think they're gonna like it. So
[16:38] Speaker 2: hopefully stay tuned to a street game experience.
[16:42] Speaker 1: Okay, is that in like Washington Square Park they do that?
[16:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, I usually see more in Union Square area, but
[16:49] Speaker 2: I would try like Washington Square as well, cause but
[16:53] Speaker 2: there's more chessboards there. I have seen it, but there's
[16:55] Speaker 2: like one guy I see all the time by Union Square.
[17:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, because Jess It's like there could Yeah. Is it
[17:03] Speaker 1: like b yo backgammon board?
[17:05] Speaker 2: Like he has his own, but he has his own
[17:07] Speaker 2: there with like bigger because mine is tiny. The like
[17:10] Speaker 2: league I went to play in once you have to
[17:13] Speaker 2: bring your own board, but I haven't been back. But
[17:17] Speaker 2: now I'm like, now I have this new fantasy unlocked
[17:21] Speaker 2: of trapping Maloney, having my suitcase of backgammon, finding him and.
[17:27] Speaker 3: Playing with him.
[17:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[17:28] Speaker 3: I don't know, it's exciting. It's it was exciting.
[17:33] Speaker 2: For me, but also exciting to hear from someone that
[17:35] Speaker 2: plays poker and chess so well.
[17:38] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and I.
[17:40] Speaker 2: Didn't know that he had all these skills. I'm actually
[17:43] Speaker 2: I wonder if it's open to the public. October fourteenth,
[17:46] Speaker 2: I am playing in like a Norm McDonald poker Memorial
[17:50] Speaker 2: Poker tournament.
[17:52] Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I was, Are you god? A poker.
[17:56] Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna be out of the tournament. I'm
[17:59] Speaker 2: not gonna be in bear like when I go to casinos,
[18:02] Speaker 2: the guys will like kind of like an Orca playing
[18:05] Speaker 2: with a seal.
[18:06] Speaker 3: They'll like pack me around a little.
[18:07] Speaker 2: I think they enjoy my company and then they take
[18:10] Speaker 2: my money, you know what I mean? So yeah, I'm okay.
[18:14] Speaker 2: But and maybe I'll have some sort of luck or
[18:16] Speaker 2: situation or have the cards on my side and really
[18:19] Speaker 2: be able to get it. But I think i'd be
[18:21] Speaker 2: out in the first round if I'm being like fully
[18:24] Speaker 2: honest with myself at it.
[18:26] Speaker 1: Do you think, Yeah, I'm seeing articles for last year
[18:29] Speaker 1: and so I get they're doing it again and you're
[18:31] Speaker 1: on it.
[18:31] Speaker 3: That's exciting.
[18:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, it's invitationous players one thousand dollars. Wait, someone
[18:37] Speaker 2: must be I'm not paying this no right, let me
[18:44] Speaker 2: send an email Reroe, quick?
[18:46] Speaker 3: Do I have to pay a thousand? Let's get started.
[18:49] Speaker 1: If all Lisa finds out whether she has to buy
[18:51] Speaker 1: into a poker game for one thousand dollars.
[18:55] Speaker 3: Oh, We've got a great episode for you.
[18:58] Speaker 2: I mean, it benefits the thing, But I think it's
[19:00] Speaker 2: crazy that they told asked me to do this without
[19:02] Speaker 2: letting me know. But this is also an ongoing conversation
[19:05] Speaker 2: that my manager has been trying to have with me,
[19:07] Speaker 2: which is, you need to read your emails. Yeah, and
[19:10] Speaker 2: I refuse to read my emails and maybe, like I
[19:13] Speaker 2: keep getting tested in this universe. Oh my god, you
[19:16] Speaker 2: know how it's the seller. I'm usually late night, Like
[19:18] Speaker 2: I'm a late night girl. Yesterday I had an eight
[19:20] Speaker 2: thirty spot and I kid you not, no less than
[19:24] Speaker 2: five people went, what are you doing here?
[19:26] Speaker 3: Yeah? Wait? What?
[19:28] Speaker 2: And then like I heard people talking about like I
[19:29] Speaker 2: saw two service be like why is lazy?
[19:31] Speaker 3: Like it truly was confusing.
[19:33] Speaker 2: Why I was there before the comedy store people were
[19:37] Speaker 2: like checking the clock. They didn't really know what was happening.
[19:39] Speaker 2: They thought they had time traveled in a crazy way.
[19:43] Speaker 2: But I was like, is this a test? But yeah,
[19:48] Speaker 2: I could. I could be around us.
[19:50] Speaker 1: Updated on this poker tournament. I'm excited to see what
[19:53] Speaker 1: I hope.
[19:54] Speaker 2: I hope by the time we do the post mortem,
[19:57] Speaker 2: I will have an answer for the people.
[19:59] Speaker 3: So tease a tease and listen to our episode. Okay,
[20:05] Speaker 3: let's get started.
[20:10] Speaker 1: Okay, today we are doing the episode All Pain is
[20:14] Speaker 1: one milady. As Lisa likes to call it, all pain
[20:18] Speaker 1: is one malady. I've ever heard of malady as a word,
[20:22] Speaker 1: you know. I've heard of a malady as a like
[20:27] Speaker 1: a malady is like an illness, But like all pain
[20:31] Speaker 1: is one malady, I've never heard. And apparently it's from
[20:35] Speaker 1: the Greek writer in Tiffany's who suggests that all forms
[20:39] Speaker 1: of suffering are fundamentally the same, they just appear with
[20:43] Speaker 1: different descriptions and symptoms.
[20:45] Speaker 3: But like suffering is suffering, I guess that's kind of
[20:47] Speaker 3: what it means. I disagree with this Greek bitch.
[20:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, this old dead woman.
[20:55] Speaker 1: We mentioned this at the very end of last week,
[20:58] Speaker 1: but if you didn't hear it, But this is essentially
[21:01] Speaker 1: episode three in a four episode arc that Chris crosses
[21:05] Speaker 1: with SVU.
[21:06] Speaker 3: But I'm going to explain a little bit of background.
[21:08] Speaker 2: And you'll understand while we're doing this when you get
[21:13] Speaker 2: to see our guest. Yeah, so yeah, I'm sorry, we are.
[21:18] Speaker 2: I mean, also, it's also a good episode. It's good stuff.
[21:20] Speaker 2: It's the I get, you.
[21:21] Speaker 1: Know, and well, normally you and I would do jumping
[21:23] Speaker 1: in with this episode, but jumping In is not based
[21:26] Speaker 1: on a true crime I don't think so. We basically
[21:29] Speaker 1: just are covering all pain is one malady.
[21:33] Speaker 3: But I'll tell you the backup.
[21:34] Speaker 1: So if you watch the episode Bad Things, which is
[21:37] Speaker 1: episode we're in season twenty four and episode twenty one
[21:42] Speaker 1: of that season is called Bad Things, and the squad
[21:44] Speaker 1: is really baffled by all of these like rapes that
[21:48] Speaker 1: are happening, but like the ems are the same, but
[21:50] Speaker 1: the DNA is different in every crime scene. But people
[21:53] Speaker 1: are taking selfies with the purpse, are taking selfies with
[21:58] Speaker 1: the victims and the victors. The victims are saying, the
[22:02] Speaker 1: guy knew my name, okay, so what's going on? They
[22:05] Speaker 1: basically uncover that these are revenge rapes and they find
[22:11] Speaker 1: out that it's essentially somebody has set up a task
[22:16] Speaker 1: Rabbit type website for people to get paid a ton
[22:20] Speaker 1: of money to put hits out on other people like murder,
[22:23] Speaker 1: sexual assault, whatever. You can just basically door dash someone
[22:28] Speaker 1: to go take care of your crime for you and
[22:29] Speaker 1: pay you them like fifty thousand dollars. And that's why
[22:32] Speaker 1: they're taking the selfies. So there's like proof. Right then,
[22:35] Speaker 1: the DNA at one of their crimes matches two cases
[22:38] Speaker 1: that the organized crime unit is working on, so time
[22:41] Speaker 1: to call in the old buddy Stabler. So then when
[22:44] Speaker 1: the episode Bad Things ends, they go to the OC
[22:46] Speaker 1: episode shadow Work, and that's when they discover really the
[22:49] Speaker 1: inner workings of this task rabbit for rapes and murders
[22:52] Speaker 1: and this super genius hacker that they cannot locate.
[22:55] Speaker 3: He's so good.
[22:56] Speaker 1: It's always like funny to me, Like when they act
[23:00] Speaker 1: like there's specific hacker. I think there's hackers that are
[23:03] Speaker 1: better than other hackers, for sure, but I always think
[23:05] Speaker 1: there's other hackers you can find to undo that hackers work,
[23:09] Speaker 1: or fuck with that hackers work.
[23:11] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[23:11] Speaker 1: Like there always like he's too good, we can't find him.
[23:14] Speaker 1: I don't know if that's necessarily how hacking works, but
[23:17] Speaker 1: we I'm sure you guys will let me know. I'm
[23:19] Speaker 1: sure some of you are hackers. But anyway, they cannot
[23:22] Speaker 1: find out who this guy is. They can't dig down
[23:24] Speaker 1: the site until they find out who built it. And
[23:28] Speaker 1: they're using jet slute mockers aka Friend of the Pod
[23:31] Speaker 1: Ainsley Seeger, and they've tracked the server to Dublin, Ohio. Okay,
[23:36] Speaker 1: so that is where this episode takes place. It picks
[23:39] Speaker 1: up with SVU in their season finale of season twenty
[23:43] Speaker 1: four with All Pain Is One, Milady. Okay the episode open.
[23:47] Speaker 3: And gud you're doing this? One? Would I don't know
[23:49] Speaker 3: if it could have been so succinct.
[23:51] Speaker 2: It's truly, I mean to get to get ready for
[23:54] Speaker 2: this today. I watched all four of these episodes and
[23:57] Speaker 2: then I watched the other six or Evan that our
[24:01] Speaker 2: guest is in. Yeah, so it's like it was a
[24:03] Speaker 2: it was a hard working weekend, Jake.
[24:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched all I See You all day night.
[24:10] Speaker 1: No, I mean, I was like freaking out because my
[24:12] Speaker 1: peacock didn't work and I was like, that's the only
[24:14] Speaker 1: way I can watch OCE.
[24:15] Speaker 3: But I got another login. But the episode this episode
[24:19] Speaker 3: of SBU.
[24:20] Speaker 1: So we're we're literally working across different organizations here. We're
[24:23] Speaker 1: working with the Organized Crime Unit and Stabler and Bell,
[24:26] Speaker 1: We're working and Jet. We're working with the Southern US
[24:30] Speaker 1: Attorney's Office, uh with Anya Avatal who we've seen before.
[24:35] Speaker 1: We're working with a New York federal agent named Curtis
[24:37] Speaker 1: McCrary who's working on the murders.
[24:40] Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, one.
[24:41] Speaker 1: Of the murders that they're investigating is a guy where
[24:43] Speaker 1: his wife comes downstairs and her husband's head is in
[24:46] Speaker 1: the dryer, Like you know when you hear something in
[24:48] Speaker 1: a dryer that's like good bunk, good bunk, good bunk.
[24:50] Speaker 1: It's her husband's head, So they're sending a message. Also,
[24:54] Speaker 1: I think a few b x nine related people are
[24:57] Speaker 1: sprinkled in here, like this episode so wildly like entrenched
[25:01] Speaker 1: in SVU and in Law and Order universes.
[25:04] Speaker 3: It's crazy so.
[25:06] Speaker 2: Well because it's not only the crossover, but at the
[25:08] Speaker 2: time this showrunner two because he's the Maddie storyline too, right, Yes,
[25:14] Speaker 2: was it the same guy? You know, it's like so
[25:15] Speaker 2: much intertwinings is kind of.
[25:17] Speaker 3: His yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
[25:20] Speaker 1: So we open up this SVU episode with an escrow
[25:24] Speaker 1: office in this tiny town in Ohio, Dublin, Ohio, and
[25:29] Speaker 1: it's hilarious. It's like all these coworkers are chatting. They're like,
[25:32] Speaker 1: what's going on with that little two bedroom bungalow and
[25:35] Speaker 1: it's like the bank is lagging I'll ping the guy
[25:37] Speaker 1: at Chase like it's just total like the most you know,
[25:40] Speaker 1: basic coworker banter.
[25:42] Speaker 3: And then this woman comes out, this older woman comes out.
[25:45] Speaker 1: Holding accusatorily holding an empty container of strawberry Gavonnie and
[25:49] Speaker 1: she is pissed. It was the only one in the
[25:52] Speaker 1: fridge and it had her name on it, and what
[25:54] Speaker 1: the hell.
[25:54] Speaker 3: Is going on?
[25:55] Speaker 1: Like fridge food stealing is such a like office job
[25:59] Speaker 1: thing that is so funny. And across the street we
[26:03] Speaker 1: see they're being surveilled by Southern District of New York
[26:06] Speaker 1: Federal agent Curtis McQuary and assists at US attorney Anya
[26:10] Speaker 1: Avital played by Kadiya Saraf who's been in a few
[26:12] Speaker 1: episodes of s View and we know famously as married
[26:15] Speaker 1: to Terry Cerpoco aka Tommy aka Chief McGrath in.
[26:18] Speaker 3: Real life and.
[26:21] Speaker 1: Is in the current season of Dexter, which we are
[26:25] Speaker 1: I am catching up with asap and Lisa is fully
[26:27] Speaker 1: entrenched in. But it is weird that these high level
[26:32] Speaker 1: agents are they seem to be alone doing this takeout,
[26:35] Speaker 1: like they're like across the street staring through blinds at
[26:37] Speaker 1: the scro company Like it's crazy, Like you would send
[26:41] Speaker 1: Lola would be the best.
[26:42] Speaker 2: Part of the job for me, Like sitting in a
[26:44] Speaker 2: van with just like a snack and some footage.
[26:46] Speaker 3: I just waiting for to make a weird phone call. Yeah,
[26:49] Speaker 3: I would excel.
[26:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's what I'm saying. It would be
[26:53] Speaker 1: low level field agents. I feel like doing that. It
[26:55] Speaker 1: wouldn't be like the bosses. But whatever, we want to
[26:57] Speaker 1: get screen time with the higher up so they can't
[27:00] Speaker 1: tell of all this talk about the yogurt is code
[27:03] Speaker 1: and it's like these would be the best actors on
[27:04] Speaker 1: the planet, Like this.
[27:05] Speaker 3: Is not code. These people are like these two investigators.
[27:09] Speaker 2: Are boring the office with no jokes, like it truly
[27:12] Speaker 2: is a mundane cubical vibe.
[27:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got it down, like it's like the fluorescent lighting,
[27:19] Speaker 1: Like it's just boring cubicle talk and a small company
[27:22] Speaker 1: and they're getting nothing from these people. Jet is positive
[27:26] Speaker 1: that the server is there at the ESCRO office, and
[27:28] Speaker 1: Benson is just like, okay, we just like have to
[27:30] Speaker 1: be patient. But then as of course, the minute that
[27:33] Speaker 1: you say the word patients, it like conjures up Chief McGrath,
[27:37] Speaker 1: like he blows into the room and is like Benson
[27:39] Speaker 1: out here now, like needs to talk to Benson. She's
[27:42] Speaker 1: less than thrilled. She tells Bruno, rescue me. If I'm
[27:45] Speaker 1: going longer than a minute. So now McGrath is back
[27:48] Speaker 1: on his bullshit, pressuring Benson to close the case. Like
[27:51] Speaker 1: this case crosses a million time zones, it crosses multiple agencies.
[27:56] Speaker 1: It's like full Internet crime. It's involving Inner Pole, different countries,
[28:00] Speaker 1: and he's just like, close it up. It makes it's
[28:03] Speaker 1: so insane. And they're calling he says, all these agencies
[28:07] Speaker 1: are calling my cell NonStop.
[28:08] Speaker 3: He looks tired, he looks stressed.
[28:10] Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the larger operation really, he just
[28:12] Speaker 1: wants the glory for the five open rape cases in
[28:14] Speaker 1: New York City and one PP wants convictions and all
[28:18] Speaker 1: the shit that they normally say. And it's like this
[28:20] Speaker 1: is a literally a murder site that's up on the web,
[28:23] Speaker 1: and like we could find this guy. And you're like, nope,
[28:24] Speaker 1: we got to get these five convictions for New York.
[28:27] Speaker 1: And Benson's like, need I remind you? I forgot to
[28:29] Speaker 1: mention this. Things got ratcheted up a little bit on
[28:33] Speaker 1: the task Graberate website when a judge who was involved
[28:36] Speaker 1: in one of the cases of finding out who the
[28:40] Speaker 1: guy is the hacker is, is murdered, like shot through
[28:44] Speaker 1: the head broad daylight in his car like, so a
[28:47] Speaker 1: federal judge has been killed, and now it's like, okay,
[28:49] Speaker 1: this is huge again another reason why it's like, Okay,
[28:52] Speaker 1: the five New York rape cases are important, but like
[28:54] Speaker 1: this is a massive operation. Benson's like, do I have
[28:57] Speaker 1: to remind you that a judge was murdered and who's
[29:00] Speaker 1: a warrant like in this case? So this shadow hacker
[29:03] Speaker 1: is obviously watching the federal warrant system and he's probably
[29:06] Speaker 1: watching the NYPD as well, So are you cool with it?
[29:09] Speaker 1: Like if we just make it so we don't all
[29:11] Speaker 1: get murdered. So Benson says, we have to let this
[29:13] Speaker 1: guy think he's winning. If we arraign our purpose in
[29:15] Speaker 1: New York, he might put hits out on other judges
[29:18] Speaker 1: and Live is like, please patience, and this guy is
[29:22] Speaker 1: like so trumpy. He's just like we need to show strength,
[29:25] Speaker 1: like people need to see that the NYPD is being proactive.
[29:27] Speaker 3: And it's like I don't know, and.
[29:30] Speaker 2: It's all but it's all about what it looks like,
[29:33] Speaker 2: not what's actually happening. And it's like Benson's goals is
[29:38] Speaker 2: safety of people and justice for these victims, and like
[29:42] Speaker 2: safety of her coworkers and herself and and his is
[29:45] Speaker 2: just like, well, the bosses want attention in the news.
[29:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, She's just yeah, Well, Benson thinks about the greater
[29:52] Speaker 1: good and this guy kind of just thinks about his
[29:54] Speaker 1: own little like solar system. He's like, no, we need
[29:59] Speaker 1: to be proactive. I want all the New York City
[30:01] Speaker 1: purps arraigned and arrested today. It's like, I think they're
[30:03] Speaker 1: already arrested. But and so he storms out and Live
[30:06] Speaker 1: talks a little shit about him with Kevin Kine Akay Bruno,
[30:09] Speaker 1: and we move on, and now Jet is talking to Churlish.
[30:12] Speaker 3: This is back, we have Churlish in these days. Who
[30:16] Speaker 3: I liked. I liked her.
[30:17] Speaker 1: They kind of just like she's this is her last episode.
[30:20] Speaker 1: I think she's just kind of like gone after this.
[30:22] Speaker 1: And then I don't know, like whe the.
[30:23] Speaker 3: Way they said she went.
[30:24] Speaker 1: But Cherlie's just talking to Jet about the guy they're
[30:27] Speaker 1: looking for, the super hacker in Ohio, and she can
[30:30] Speaker 1: and Jet's like, I can tell by the coding that
[30:32] Speaker 1: this guy is full of ego And she's like, what
[30:35] Speaker 1: are you?
[30:35] Speaker 3: How does that even work?
[30:37] Speaker 1: And she's like he's found a unique way to put
[30:39] Speaker 1: in shortcuts, like he's trying to validate his skill. So
[30:42] Speaker 1: Jet has the idea to fuck with this guy's server,
[30:46] Speaker 1: like give him a virus so that it will lag
[30:49] Speaker 1: and he has to come out and fix it. And
[30:51] Speaker 1: Cherlie's just like, ooh, can I help And she's like, yeah,
[30:53] Speaker 1: you know how to code and she's like no, I
[30:54] Speaker 1: don't even know how to boot up my laptop. And
[30:57] Speaker 1: she's like great, just keep me company. So these two
[30:59] Speaker 1: are starting a friend chip that I'll tell you goes nowhere.
[31:01] Speaker 1: We're now at a hotel room and one of the
[31:04] Speaker 1: rape victims from you know, the last episode of svu
[31:08] Speaker 1: UH is named Kate Wallace, and she's talking to her
[31:10] Speaker 1: mom and she's the mom is like so bad, She's
[31:13] Speaker 1: like such a nag, like her daughter's a victim, and
[31:15] Speaker 1: she's like, let's just get out of here.
[31:17] Speaker 3: Let's just go back to Columbus.
[31:18] Speaker 1: And the girl's like, I'm not leaving New York until
[31:21] Speaker 1: they arrest my rapist and like I get some justice.
[31:24] Speaker 2: This always happens with parents in these storylines of like
[31:27] Speaker 2: I need to get you out of this dumb city,
[31:29] Speaker 2: and it's like the rapists are in Columbus as well.
[31:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean and the same.
[31:35] Speaker 2: Institutions and then the same it's the same types of people,
[31:38] Speaker 2: and it's happening in your dumb town as well.
[31:42] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean Columbus is dumb.
[31:45] Speaker 1: New York is a I was just seeing some statistic
[31:48] Speaker 1: guy talking on online about how New York is a
[31:54] Speaker 1: very safe place to be. You there's almost like there's
[31:56] Speaker 1: very few fatal car accidents. There's uh very low chance
[32:00] Speaker 1: of being murdered. I think it's like much safer than
[32:03] Speaker 1: of course, you know, some news outlets will make you think.
[32:07] Speaker 2: But nothing is more infuriating than people telling me how
[32:11] Speaker 2: unsafe New York is. I never felt unsafe now I'm like,
[32:15] Speaker 2: I'm here. Yeah, it's ah, did you see the new
[32:19] Speaker 2: same with Chicago. It's like get the fun, like leave
[32:22] Speaker 2: us alone, Yeah, leave us alone. Let's live in our cesspool,
[32:26] Speaker 2: you losers. I know that kid.
[32:28] Speaker 3: I mean, I have rayel about the same things over
[32:30] Speaker 3: and over. But it's like kids in New York.
[32:31] Speaker 2: Get to eat at school for free, so we're better
[32:33] Speaker 2: than you.
[32:34] Speaker 1: No, It's like it's like how like a friend of
[32:37] Speaker 1: mine just posted recently, like, of course they send the
[32:40] Speaker 1: National Guard into Chicago after holiday weekend. Which is notoriously
[32:43] Speaker 1: when crime goes up and people were like, no, no,
[32:46] Speaker 1: Chicago is so safe. That's why I left, and people
[32:49] Speaker 1: are like, I'm here, the crime has actually dropped. Like
[32:52] Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it's like what you're saying,
[32:54] Speaker 1: you're just like nobody listens to from places.
[32:56] Speaker 2: It's also disingenuous, Yeah, because if you can about the
[33:00] Speaker 2: safety of people in Chicago, you would try to control
[33:03] Speaker 2: gun sales in Indiana, you know, like there, It's just
[33:07] Speaker 2: you wouldn't shut Robin Manuel didn't have to shut down
[33:10] Speaker 2: over fifty schools in like poorer neighborhoods. Like there's just
[33:15] Speaker 2: all these it's this ingenuous saying. You're trying like you
[33:18] Speaker 2: care about the safety of a place when you do
[33:20] Speaker 2: everything to make sure that place stays unsafe. Yeah, so
[33:27] Speaker 2: it's not like they actually care. They're like using it,
[33:31] Speaker 2: you know, for control and racism. I don't know, I
[33:34] Speaker 2: have no idea what I'm talking about.
[33:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear you. Well, yeah, he's using it
[33:40] Speaker 1: to show force, like the way that this fucking McGrath
[33:43] Speaker 1: does it with like whatever.
[33:44] Speaker 3: Not listening to anything, Benson says.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Anyway, So this Columbus mom wants to get the hell
[33:49] Speaker 1: out of the cesspool New York City, and this girl's like, no,
[33:52] Speaker 1: I'm waiting for my Which it's funny because in the
[33:55] Speaker 1: show these things happen quickly, but in reality it's like, girl,
[33:57] Speaker 1: you'd be like moving to New York if you were
[33:58] Speaker 1: going to stay in town until your rapist is caught
[34:01] Speaker 1: and prosecuted, Like that's you know not, But in the show,
[34:04] Speaker 1: like she's just like, Mom, shut up, like I want
[34:06] Speaker 1: to stay here for that, And then the mom starts going,
[34:09] Speaker 1: this is all your ex boyfriend's fault, and her ex
[34:10] Speaker 1: boyfriend Gil is the one who made the hit on
[34:13] Speaker 1: her on the website, like he's the one that put
[34:16] Speaker 1: the hit out on her, And the mom's like what
[34:18] Speaker 1: did you ever see in him?
[34:19] Speaker 3: And is like harping on it.
[34:20] Speaker 1: It's like, bitch, your daughter's been through a massive trauma
[34:23] Speaker 1: and you're like, why did you even go out with
[34:25] Speaker 1: that guy? Like it's crazy. She can't handle it. She
[34:28] Speaker 1: goes out for her a little walk. Okay, she goes out.
[34:31] Speaker 3: For a little walk. She's under a bridge, she's it's
[34:33] Speaker 3: a beautiful view. She's on the water.
[34:34] Speaker 1: She stops though when she's walking as she's walking when
[34:38] Speaker 1: she sees a man sitting on a bench, and then
[34:41] Speaker 1: she stops herself for a second, and then she's like no,
[34:45] Speaker 1: like you're brave, like keep going, like you should like
[34:47] Speaker 1: not out loud, but like this is like internally what
[34:50] Speaker 1: it feels like she's going through, Like keep going, So
[34:52] Speaker 1: she keeps walking. She goes up to the railing, she's
[34:55] Speaker 1: looking out at the bridge. He comes up to her
[34:56] Speaker 1: while she's looking out at the water, and he's like, amazing, Huh,
[35:00] Speaker 1: it's incredible what people are capable of. And she's like
[35:02] Speaker 1: nodding and smiling because she thinks they're talking about like
[35:05] Speaker 1: the bridge and the modern marvels of structural engineering. Until fuck,
[35:09] Speaker 1: this guy grabs her by the back of her hair,
[35:12] Speaker 1: drags her away, like pushes her against a post that's
[35:15] Speaker 1: like more hidden, tells her to get on her knees
[35:17] Speaker 1: and says, I'll snap your neck if you scream. And
[35:20] Speaker 1: it's like, this is such a hard scene to watch
[35:23] Speaker 1: because we've all been there, Yeah, where you walk past
[35:27] Speaker 1: someone you don't like their vibes, you don't want to
[35:30] Speaker 1: be rude, and now you're in this situation you can't
[35:32] Speaker 1: get out of and your safety is compromised and like
[35:36] Speaker 1: no one's around.
[35:38] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[35:39] Speaker 2: This is of all the graphic shit we watched. This
[35:41] Speaker 2: was the tension building in this and just all of it,
[35:44] Speaker 2: and the way he was pretending to be friendly, yeah,
[35:48] Speaker 2: tough watch.
[35:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, and also like he's almost like self aware that
[35:53] Speaker 1: he's like evil, Like he's just kind of like, isn't
[35:56] Speaker 1: it crazy what some people will do? And then he
[35:57] Speaker 1: attacks her, you know, like it's that's like doctor that's
[36:02] Speaker 1: Lex Luthor shit about say doctor Evil. I was, and
[36:05] Speaker 1: then I was like I say evil twice anyway you
[36:13] Speaker 1: We go out from to the credits being like, fuck,
[36:16] Speaker 1: this is not happening to Kate again, Like ouch, that's
[36:19] Speaker 1: that's a hard sell.
[36:20] Speaker 3: On New York for Kate, you know what I mean.
[36:22] Speaker 1: So now at the top of act one, there's a
[36:24] Speaker 1: big press conference happening outside the courthouse and McGrath is
[36:27] Speaker 1: like going on this big like Dia tribe. It's like
[36:32] Speaker 1: this long speech about how evil exists in darkness and
[36:35] Speaker 1: you were gonna make you come to the light blah
[36:37] Speaker 1: blah blah. Benson and Stabler are there and we're cutting
[36:40] Speaker 1: back and forth between the arraignments of the five NYC
[36:43] Speaker 1: rape cases. While we keep while we keep getting some
[36:47] Speaker 1: of like McGrath's long dramatic speech about weaponized anonymity.
[36:50] Speaker 3: It's like all coming in and out. So it's like
[36:52] Speaker 3: all very cinematic.
[36:54] Speaker 1: So first we cut to the arrangment of Billy Vitally
[36:56] Speaker 1: who's asked for his plea and he goes, I did
[36:58] Speaker 1: it raper and the victim goes, yeah, you paid someone
[37:00] Speaker 1: else to do it and then watched you six son
[37:02] Speaker 1: of a bitch. It's like the fact that these guys
[37:04] Speaker 1: were all like, but I didn't do anything, Like it's
[37:07] Speaker 1: like you ordered it. This is not before there was technology.
[37:12] Speaker 1: You still got in trouble for ordering it. Charles Manson
[37:14] Speaker 1: never murdered anyone. He's in jail forever because he was
[37:17] Speaker 1: in charge of it, you know, Like and CARIESI has
[37:20] Speaker 1: to tell the defense counsel to remind his client he's
[37:24] Speaker 1: being charged for soliciting the crime, like please don't be
[37:26] Speaker 1: so dumb, like you're in court, like, don't be the
[37:28] Speaker 1: biggest dumbass of all time.
[37:30] Speaker 3: In the next arrangement, it's actually a woman.
[37:32] Speaker 1: It's a rich lady getting fifty thousand dollars bail and
[37:36] Speaker 1: her lawyer tries to argue, like, but she has a
[37:37] Speaker 1: stable job and no record in the judge goes, yeah,
[37:39] Speaker 1: and she ordered up the sex assault of her former
[37:41] Speaker 1: nanny like she was ordering a pizza. Bail has said
[37:44] Speaker 1: at fifty K and gotta love that judge. Next up
[37:49] Speaker 1: is Junior Suarez, a member of BX nine, who pleads
[37:53] Speaker 1: not guilty even though he set up the nanny to
[37:57] Speaker 1: be raped in the job in one of these jobs.
[38:00] Speaker 3: As well, like maybe there's two nannies. I don't know.
[38:03] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm confused about who did what. But Junior
[38:05] Speaker 1: Suarez is there. He's the guy that in his episode
[38:09] Speaker 1: he's in jail, he's in prison on dialysis, and he's like,
[38:14] Speaker 1: how could I have done anything? But he's like ordering
[38:16] Speaker 1: up these hits as well. All these defendants are pleading
[38:19] Speaker 1: not guilty and all asking for low bail as if
[38:21] Speaker 1: they're not deranged psychopaths, as if it's like not that
[38:23] Speaker 1: big of a deal that they did click clack click
[38:26] Speaker 1: and try to get somebody and successfully got somebody sexually assaulted.
[38:30] Speaker 1: Katie's rapist is next, this guy he gets remand then
[38:34] Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend Gil is up for the solicitation charge,
[38:37] Speaker 1: and he tells the judge, I thought the site.
[38:39] Speaker 3: Was a joke.
[38:39] Speaker 1: It's like, and when they charged your credit card for
[38:41] Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars, like you thought it was a joke.
[38:44] Speaker 3: And he pleads not guilty. It's crazy.
[38:46] Speaker 1: They're all pleading not guilty. Now we're at the hotel
[38:49] Speaker 1: where Kate is staying.
[38:50] Speaker 3: What's the joke. I know you thought it.
[38:53] Speaker 1: Was like a guy goes and scares her and goes, boo,
[38:56] Speaker 1: you're sexually assaulted?
[38:58] Speaker 3: What yeah, a photo? Like yeah, not seeing the joke there, Gil.
[39:04] Speaker 1: And so now we're back at the hotel where Kate
[39:07] Speaker 1: is saying, and the cops are talking to this bitchy
[39:09] Speaker 1: mom and she's like, well, yeah, we were only staying
[39:12] Speaker 1: in town so Kate can go to trial. And then
[39:14] Speaker 1: she changed her mind about watching her rapist get arraigned.
[39:17] Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened. She went out yesterday
[39:18] Speaker 1: and she came back upset. So now they send in
[39:21] Speaker 1: the pros to talk to Kate. Right, it's Bruno talking
[39:25] Speaker 1: to her in finn and they're in her room. She's
[39:28] Speaker 1: she's in bed, it's dark. She's like, this is all
[39:30] Speaker 1: my fault. I knew the guy was bad, but I
[39:32] Speaker 1: didn't trust my instincts. She's reluctant to tell them anything
[39:37] Speaker 1: that happened, and then Finn goes, we got to talk
[39:39] Speaker 1: to us, so she's like okay, and she tells them
[39:40] Speaker 1: everything and that happened. She's like, I didn't want a
[39:43] Speaker 1: stereotype in based on what happened to her. The guy
[39:46] Speaker 1: who assaulted her second was also a black man, so
[39:50] Speaker 1: she's like, I didn't want a stereotype in based on
[39:52] Speaker 1: my previous attack, but you know, this guy sexually assaulted me.
[39:56] Speaker 1: Like she describes, like what happened, what we what we
[39:58] Speaker 1: all saw right up until it has And then she's like,
[40:01] Speaker 1: but then I got to give you guys something, and
[40:02] Speaker 1: she gives them the hoodie she was wearing, and she goes,
[40:04] Speaker 1: something in my head like this voice told me to
[40:08] Speaker 1: spit this rapist jiz.
[40:10] Speaker 3: Into the hood of my sweatshirt. So she got the
[40:12] Speaker 3: guy's DNA.
[40:14] Speaker 1: So now the gang is back in the huddle and
[40:15] Speaker 1: McGrath is like raving mad about this attack on Kate
[40:19] Speaker 1: because he's like, anothery're rape in my city from this
[40:21] Speaker 1: shadow work guy. But Benson's like, I don't know the
[40:23] Speaker 1: m O was slightly off, like he didn't call her
[40:25] Speaker 1: by her name, there was no selfie, Like, this doesn't
[40:28] Speaker 1: seem like it's related. And they're still waiting on the DNA,
[40:31] Speaker 1: but let's get Kate to work with a sketch artist.
[40:33] Speaker 1: And then Benson said that she also sent detectives to
[40:37] Speaker 1: talk to her ex gill at Riker's. But Jet confirms
[40:40] Speaker 1: like there's no new posts on the website about Kate,
[40:42] Speaker 1: and McGrath's like, there are new posts, and it's like, yes, sir,
[40:46] Speaker 1: the site is still up, like and Churlish is like,
[40:49] Speaker 1: but we're working with the law enforcement in local areas,
[40:52] Speaker 1: like as the posts go up, you know, like we're
[40:53] Speaker 1: gonna stop crimes, hopefully before they happen. But McGrath is like,
[40:58] Speaker 1: is there anything we can do? And Churlish is like
[41:00] Speaker 1: Jet's working on a virus and Jets like like you know,
[41:04] Speaker 1: she's like, it's already written, it's ready to go. I
[41:06] Speaker 1: just need a few days for what we don't know.
[41:09] Speaker 1: McGrath is like, and wait for another judge to get killed.
[41:12] Speaker 3: Just do it now.
[41:13] Speaker 1: You know this guy who knows nothing about computers at all,
[41:16] Speaker 1: and he's like, just install the virus.
[41:18] Speaker 5: You know.
[41:19] Speaker 1: So now at Rikers Munsey and we're back in the
[41:22] Speaker 1: Monthly Times. Munsey and Alasko are talking to Kate's ex Gill,
[41:27] Speaker 1: and he's like, he's shocked she.
[41:29] Speaker 3: Was attacked the second time.
[41:30] Speaker 1: He's like, wait what and they're like, dude, you have
[41:33] Speaker 1: more to do with this. The site is in Ohio.
[41:35] Speaker 1: You're from Ohio, Ohio? Did you hire someone to sexually
[41:39] Speaker 1: assault Kate? And his lawyer is like, he's locked up here,
[41:42] Speaker 1: and they're like, well, clearly that hasn't stopped anyone from
[41:44] Speaker 1: committing any crimes if you've paid attention to this entire
[41:47] Speaker 1: string of cases. On the way out, Monsey asks what
[41:51] Speaker 1: is wrong with men? And honestly the central question of
[41:54] Speaker 1: the show. Munsey tells velasco, oh, can I tell you something?
[42:00] Speaker 1: Because I don't know what they were doing with these two,
[42:03] Speaker 1: Like you kind of felt like maybe they were gonna fuck,
[42:05] Speaker 1: but then I think they just ended up being like
[42:06] Speaker 1: brother and sister whatever.
[42:08] Speaker 3: But she's like, I gotta tell something.
[42:11] Speaker 2: It's just like a bag of nothing with an accent,
[42:14] Speaker 2: like truly.
[42:15] Speaker 3: I.
[42:17] Speaker 2: The fact that he got more time than Kat like
[42:20] Speaker 2: bothers me.
[42:21] Speaker 3: I know, I know, I don't know what you know.
[42:24] Speaker 1: It's like when somebody, like once in a while they'll
[42:26] Speaker 1: hire somebody for SNL and I'm like, Okay, I don't
[42:28] Speaker 1: see it, but I guess Lauren, does you know?
[42:30] Speaker 3: Like I don't.
[42:31] Speaker 1: I didn't see it with that guy, but uh, he
[42:34] Speaker 1: got definitely more time than Kat, and I thought Kat
[42:36] Speaker 1: was great.
[42:36] Speaker 3: Uh.
[42:37] Speaker 1: Muncie tells Velasco about how McGrath pulled her aside to
[42:42] Speaker 1: congratulate her on nailing Elias Olsen. And this is a
[42:46] Speaker 1: guy that she nailed in the first episode of this saga.
[42:51] Speaker 2: Was the guy I forgot about the Elias element of all.
[42:54] Speaker 1: Yes Too, Yes, So Elias was the guy that was
[42:57] Speaker 1: like the big like sort of like role that lived
[43:00] Speaker 1: in his house and was like killing people for his
[43:02] Speaker 1: dad or something like that. But he she had he
[43:06] Speaker 1: had gotten off because Monsey fucked up in court. She
[43:08] Speaker 1: had she had popped off in court, screamed at him.
[43:11] Speaker 1: The jury was deadlocked, so he got off. But then
[43:14] Speaker 1: in the episode Bad Things, she figured out a way
[43:17] Speaker 1: to get him. She brought him in humanely, she figured
[43:20] Speaker 1: out a way to get him. He's going to jail
[43:21] Speaker 1: for life. So McGrath has told Munsey, we you know,
[43:25] Speaker 1: your contribution to the department hasn't gone on notice, and
[43:28] Speaker 1: he offers her a job on a DEA task force.
[43:30] Speaker 1: This is obviously we know that the actress is being
[43:33] Speaker 1: furlowed out. She's come for her season and she's no
[43:36] Speaker 1: longer needed, and she's gonna think about it.
[43:39] Speaker 3: And she asks Velaska. She goes, are you sad?
[43:41] Speaker 1: And he goes no, And then she's like, can you
[43:43] Speaker 1: keep it a secret? And he goes, who what I
[43:44] Speaker 1: tell you? My only real friend. It's like, okay, I
[43:47] Speaker 1: don't know. These two have like weird emotions. Back at
[43:50] Speaker 1: the house, they're talking about Kate's second attack and it's
[43:53] Speaker 1: really not looking like it's connected to this site at all.
[43:55] Speaker 1: Monsey points out, well, you know, statistically, victims are more
[43:58] Speaker 1: prone to getting attacked a second time, and was like,
[44:00] Speaker 1: like twice in one week.
[44:01] Speaker 3: That's kind of weird.
[44:03] Speaker 1: And the guy's DNA is not in the system, and
[44:06] Speaker 1: Munsey wants to run them through viscap, but then they.
[44:09] Speaker 3: Get a pretty good sketch of the guy from the artist.
[44:12] Speaker 1: It's it's quite good, and Kate says that this guy's
[44:15] Speaker 1: at least six', six so someone that tall with like
[44:18] Speaker 1: a specific mug shot out or sketch out. There they're
[44:21] Speaker 1: gonna blast out his description to the news and socials
[44:24] Speaker 1: and see what they. Get, now the gang In New
[44:26] Speaker 1: york is watching footage of the surveillance op In. Ohio
[44:30] Speaker 1: we're still working on these little escro workers who are
[44:33] Speaker 1: all commenting about how slow the internet is.
[44:35] Speaker 3: Moving jets virus is working so like they.
[44:39] Speaker 1: Point, out, like what if this guy is just using
[44:41] Speaker 1: the server, Remotely like what if he's not connected to
[44:44] Speaker 1: anyone at the main office because they all have clean.
[44:46] Speaker 1: Records and McGrath is once again acting like an impatient little.
[44:50] Speaker 1: Child he's, like so we just, wait And churlish is, like,
[44:53] Speaker 1: yeah it's kind of like. Hunting does that do anything
[44:55] Speaker 1: for your male? Ego you know how you have to
[44:57] Speaker 1: like wait for the deer to come?
[44:59] Speaker 3: Out And jet.
[45:00] Speaker 1: Explains jet explains to this adult that computer crimes cases
[45:04] Speaker 1: can take months and sometimes, years And benson's, like if
[45:07] Speaker 1: we move to, aggressively this guy will just shut down
[45:09] Speaker 1: the site. Forever and which one is longer waiting like a,
[45:14] Speaker 1: week a couple, months or.
[45:15] Speaker 3: Forever you.
[45:16] Speaker 1: Know finn And bruno are Telling, kate we found out
[45:19] Speaker 1: That gil had nothing to do with, this and that
[45:21] Speaker 1: it was kind of just a random attack on, you and.
[45:24] Speaker 3: She's like so. Upset she's like DO i look like a?
[45:27] Speaker 1: Victim and the mom is, like it's the, city and she's,
[45:31] Speaker 1: like but is this just gonna keep happening to? Me
[45:34] Speaker 1: and they're like, no but it's possible that you might
[45:37] Speaker 1: have to relearn how to trust, yourself WHICH i thought
[45:40] Speaker 1: was like a sensitive way to you, know handle this
[45:44] Speaker 1: in this, situation because it's, like how do you tell
[45:46] Speaker 1: someone this has happened to you? Twice, like so like
[45:49] Speaker 1: they've done this before where someone's been attacked, twice, right,
[45:52] Speaker 1: like but usually much more time goes. By this is very,
[45:55] Speaker 1: traumatic and they tell her we'll keep you in the
[45:59] Speaker 1: loop about anything we find out about this. Guy on
[46:01] Speaker 1: the way, Out finn Tells bruno this guy's struck, again
[46:05] Speaker 1: same M o, description but this time the victim is
[46:07] Speaker 1: a fourteen year old. Boy so when they get, there
[46:10] Speaker 1: they go talk to this, boy his name Is. Manny
[46:12] Speaker 1: he doesn't Want he's, LIKE i didn't tell anyone to
[46:14] Speaker 1: call the. Cops he looks so upset and. Traumatized he,
[46:17] Speaker 1: finally this kid's a good, actor like he was making
[46:19] Speaker 1: me really. Upset and he tells them he's, LIKE i
[46:22] Speaker 1: was just sitting here waiting for the bus and this
[46:23] Speaker 1: black dude comes up to. Me he got really. Close
[46:26] Speaker 1: he said get on your knees and he. SAID i
[46:28] Speaker 1: tried to fight him, off but he was too. STRONG i,
[46:29] Speaker 1: mean this guy's six foot six and this is a
[46:31] Speaker 1: fourteen year.
[46:32] Speaker 2: Old kids just to be gener switch and age, like not.
[46:37] Speaker 3: A type for this.
[46:38] Speaker 1: Criminal, yeah, yeah, yeah he doesn't care at. All it
[46:43] Speaker 1: seems he's just like a crime of opportunity and this
[46:45] Speaker 1: guy's like on a spree.
[46:47] Speaker 3: Essentially so they.
[46:50] Speaker 1: Tell him we got to take you to the hospital
[46:51] Speaker 1: and get you checked, out and we got to tell your,
[46:53] Speaker 1: parents and that really freaks him. Out he's, LIKE i
[46:55] Speaker 1: didn't do anything, Wrong like my mom's gonna be mad at,
[46:57] Speaker 1: Me like why are you doing this to? Me, like
[46:59] Speaker 1: please let me go, home and you, know spoiler, alert
[47:02] Speaker 1: they don't let him. Back at the, Precinct stablers In
[47:05] Speaker 1: live's office while she's on the phone talking about this spree,
[47:08] Speaker 1: rapist And live gets off the phone and tells him
[47:11] Speaker 1: that it was forced oral. SODOMY i was yesterday's years
[47:16] Speaker 1: old WHEN i found out that sodomy is not just anal.
[47:19] Speaker 1: PENETRY i thought it was just ANAL i thought it
[47:21] Speaker 1: was like anything penetrating your, Anus but apparently it's any
[47:24] Speaker 1: sexual act involving the sex organs of one person and
[47:27] Speaker 1: the mouth or anus of. ANOTHER i didn't know. THAT
[47:30] Speaker 1: i didn't know mouth was in the sodomy, Realm so
[47:33] Speaker 1: NOW i. Know before they get further into their, convote
[47:36] Speaker 1: churlish comes to get. Lived there's trouble in hacker town
[47:39] Speaker 1: and McGrath is yelling At jet and we find out
[47:42] Speaker 1: that the hacker has to shut down the. Site McGrath
[47:45] Speaker 1: is being so rude To, jet he's blaming. Her stabler's,
[47:48] Speaker 1: like take it, easy But McGrath's, Like i'm not gonna
[47:50] Speaker 1: take it. Easy he's like popping off at everybody's, screaming
[47:53] Speaker 1: And benson's trying to tell, him, like, look we still
[47:55] Speaker 1: have eyes on the escro, place and he's, like oh,
[47:57] Speaker 1: great so we can a yogurt thief.
[48:00] Speaker 2: Sorry like to act like this and continue to get
[48:04] Speaker 2: promotions to.
[48:06] Speaker 1: Be at the top of YOUR i, mean, ugh, yeah.
[48:09] Speaker 1: Yeah he's so. Terrible he's screaming At benson and he's, like,
[48:16] Speaker 1: oh NOW i gotta go tell The feds That Judge,
[48:18] Speaker 1: ziegler the federal, judge was, murdered that his murderer just got,
[48:21] Speaker 1: Away and it's, Like, okay are The feds going to
[48:23] Speaker 1: start crying about?
[48:24] Speaker 3: It why aren't?
[48:24] Speaker 1: They they should be on the case also trying to
[48:26] Speaker 1: find the, Murderer like do they all personally Know Judge
[48:29] Speaker 1: ziggler because he's a federal, Judge, LIKE i don't, know
[48:31] Speaker 1: IT'S i guess it would be like we got to
[48:33] Speaker 1: go tell everyone That Judge petrotski just got, murdered like
[48:35] Speaker 1: we'd have to tell.
[48:35] Speaker 3: People But jet, goes, well at.
[48:38] Speaker 1: Least people aren't being raped and, murdered like she's trying
[48:40] Speaker 1: to look at the bright side of this murder rape
[48:44] Speaker 1: task rabbit being taken, down and he, goes nice, Work Sloute,
[48:47] Speaker 1: mocker good, job like really, sarcastically like he is not.
[48:51] Speaker 3: Serious she is not being offered a, promotion although she's
[48:56] Speaker 3: already gotten.
[48:56] Speaker 1: One top Of act, three we're at the hospital With,
[48:59] Speaker 1: manny the fourteen year old victim of this spree rapist
[49:01] Speaker 1: and his mom who's on his, ass, GOING i told
[49:04] Speaker 1: you you got to be more, careful like she's in
[49:05] Speaker 1: his on his ass like it's really like too much yelling.
[49:08] Speaker 3: For the hot parents are annoying that. Word, yeah he's
[49:11] Speaker 3: in a gown.
[49:12] Speaker 1: Like and Then finn And bruno mentioned something about the
[49:15] Speaker 1: rape kit and the mom's, like what do you what rape?
[49:17] Speaker 1: KIT i thought he got beat, up so obviously he
[49:19] Speaker 1: lied to his. Mom And bruno has to tell her
[49:21] Speaker 1: That manny was sexually assaulted and that they need to collect,
[49:23] Speaker 1: evidence and she's, like absolutely. NOT i can't hear, this
[49:25] Speaker 1: and neither will nobody. Else and she goes and she
[49:29] Speaker 1: asks her, son a teen, victim how can you be
[49:32] Speaker 1: a man?
[49:32] Speaker 3: NOW i.
[49:33] Speaker 1: DON'T i do not like her style of, parenting and
[49:35] Speaker 1: neither Does. Bruno he's, like CAN i talk to you, outside,
[49:37] Speaker 1: babe And finn's, like, LISTEN i Love.
[49:40] Speaker 3: BRUNO i really. Do he's. GREAT i. Am, Yeah i'm
[49:45] Speaker 3: A bruno. Head, yeah he's. GREAT i love. Him he's
[49:47] Speaker 3: everything THAT i think they Thought molasca was. Giving he
[49:49] Speaker 3: was not. Giving bruno's.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Giving bruno asks to doctor, outside And finn stays With
[49:54] Speaker 1: manny and, goes, listen your mom's old.
[49:56] Speaker 3: School she's. Proud.
[49:58] Speaker 1: Man he's, like she's Worried i'm gay, now and and
[50:00] Speaker 1: like that's not how it.
[50:01] Speaker 3: Works don't.
[50:01] Speaker 1: Worry So bruno is talking to the mom outside and she's, like,
[50:06] Speaker 1: man he was born in this hospital and ever since,
[50:08] Speaker 1: Then i've been trying to raise a. Man And bruno, says,
[50:11] Speaker 1: well he will be a, man and what kind of
[50:12] Speaker 1: man is up to? Him and then she, asks do
[50:15] Speaker 1: you have, kids, detective so a little shout out to
[50:18] Speaker 1: our merch and he says, no BUT i had a
[50:20] Speaker 1: father who raised me the same way you're Raising, manny
[50:23] Speaker 1: and he thought it would make me, tough and it
[50:25] Speaker 1: only made me hate. Him the only way he becomes
[50:28] Speaker 1: a man is to heal and find peace and not
[50:30] Speaker 1: shame in what's happened to, him and then he might
[50:32] Speaker 1: be able to move past.
[50:33] Speaker 3: THIS i think he gets through to her.
[50:35] Speaker 1: Somehow at the, Precinct amanda walks into the precinct like.
[50:39] Speaker 1: Pregnant she's pregnant With careesy's, baby and you, know lives
[50:43] Speaker 1: like live. LIKE i can't understand why there is there.
[50:47] Speaker 1: Is somebody told me what it's. Called The Rollins benson fan.
[50:52] Speaker 1: Fix somebody told me what it's, called BUT i. Forgot
[50:54] Speaker 1: but she does light up when she Sees. AMANDA i
[50:56] Speaker 1: think it's because Also marishka And Kelly gettish are friends
[50:59] Speaker 1: in real. Life but like she comes into the place
[51:01] Speaker 1: and she's, like you look. Beautiful, like so they go
[51:04] Speaker 1: To live's office and she casually Asks rollins to break
[51:10] Speaker 1: down this hackers end game since Now rollins is the
[51:12] Speaker 1: new criminal profiler on the show and she's still a
[51:14] Speaker 1: college professor at this. Point and she, says anyone this outwardly,
[51:17] Speaker 1: destructive it starts with, them like this site is his
[51:21] Speaker 1: sole reason for being. Alive he didn't take it down
[51:23] Speaker 1: to avoid. Arrest he doesn't care about. That he took
[51:25] Speaker 1: it down because it was sullied and tainted because of the,
[51:28] Speaker 1: virus and she thinks it will be back up. Again rollin,
[51:32] Speaker 1: says this guy isn't selling, Revenge she's taking revenge on the.
[51:36] Speaker 1: World SO i guess her thing is, like this isn't
[51:38] Speaker 1: a guy who's been like spurned by women and wants
[51:42] Speaker 1: like men to have an outlet to sexually assault or
[51:46] Speaker 1: even murder. People it's really a guy who's just, like
[51:49] Speaker 1: fuck the whole. WORLD i WANT i just want the
[51:52] Speaker 1: whole world to, suffer like The batman quote or. Whatever
[51:55] Speaker 1: that's like some people just want to watch the world,
[51:57] Speaker 1: burn Which Michael kaine says in his LITTLE I think he, goes.
[52:01] Speaker 3: Some people just want to watch the world. Burn that's
[52:03] Speaker 3: My Michael caine.
[52:04] Speaker 1: Impression benson, says you look like you're enjoying this and
[52:08] Speaker 1: are you sorry you? Left and she's, like, LISTEN i
[52:11] Speaker 1: love my, students but And benson's, like you love us,
[52:14] Speaker 1: more and she's, like my life could be so, easy
[52:17] Speaker 1: part time.
[52:17] Speaker 3: Teaching spending time with my, family but it's just not.
[52:21] Speaker 1: Me and it's, like, also to be, Fair billy And
[52:23] Speaker 1: jesse do seem kind of, boring like they're not really.
[52:25] Speaker 1: GIVING i need to get home and be with these
[52:27] Speaker 1: kids all the time kind of. VIBES caresi doesn't know
[52:32] Speaker 1: that she wants to go back to work, yet, though So.
[52:34] Speaker 1: Olivia their conversation gets interrupted by a call To. Olivia done.
[52:39] Speaker 1: Done this serial rapist has just struck. Again this guy
[52:42] Speaker 1: is moving.
[52:43] Speaker 5: Fast.
[52:44] Speaker 1: Now it's that we're at a subway station And, Finn,
[52:46] Speaker 1: Bruno munsey And velaska are all on the.
[52:48] Speaker 3: Scene they talk.
[52:49] Speaker 1: To the, victim who's like a grown man who's also
[52:52] Speaker 1: a black, man so it's not like this guy Is
[52:55] Speaker 1: he's now attempted to rape people or rape somebody across,
[52:59] Speaker 1: genders ages and, races and he tells the. Cops he's, like,
[53:06] Speaker 1: yeah this guy told me to get on my, knees
[53:07] Speaker 1: BUT i don't get on my knees for, anybody AND
[53:09] Speaker 1: i carry a knife for. Protection so he stabbed the
[53:12] Speaker 1: guy in the gut and he points out a puddle of.
[53:14] Speaker 1: Blood so now we got to go check the hospitals
[53:16] Speaker 1: and the urgent care is looking for a guy with
[53:18] Speaker 1: like a stab wound to the ABDOMEN cariesi goes To
[53:22] Speaker 1: live's office and is, like how are. You she's, like,
[53:25] Speaker 1: Oh i've been up for twenty four. Hours i'm a
[53:27] Speaker 1: stale sandwich of a human. Being we don't usually get
[53:29] Speaker 1: that kind of dialogue From. Olivia it's kind of. Fun
[53:32] Speaker 1: careese's spiraling about bringing a kid into this world while
[53:35] Speaker 1: so many people are out there trying to burn it all.
[53:37] Speaker 1: Down benson, says your kid is going to bring more
[53:40] Speaker 1: joy into this world than that guy took. Out and it's, Like,
[53:42] Speaker 1: okay this is a guy who created a website that
[53:44] Speaker 1: multiple people have been murdered and raped from that kid
[53:47] Speaker 1: better bring a lot of joy into the.
[53:48] Speaker 3: World if it's going to counter that much. Suffering that's
[53:51] Speaker 3: a lot of fucking.
[53:52] Speaker 1: Suffering and then she's got to GIVE caoresi this pep,
[53:56] Speaker 1: talk like how good is it going to feel when
[53:57] Speaker 1: you get this guy for? Good and then she gets
[54:00] Speaker 1: a call that they found the serial rapist at an
[54:02] Speaker 1: urgent care. Uptown so now at the urgent, care the
[54:04] Speaker 1: guy's lying on the exam table almost like nodding. Off
[54:07] Speaker 1: finn And bruno walk. In this guy's lying. There his
[54:10] Speaker 1: Name's Randy, gordon and he, goes who are? You And bruno,
[54:13] Speaker 1: goes an, angel you're. Dead we've come to welcome you to.
[54:15] Speaker 3: Heaven all.
[54:16] Speaker 1: Right maybe it's not the funniest Thing i've ever, heard
[54:18] Speaker 1: but it's Getting we're getting a munch territory. There that
[54:20] Speaker 1: sounds like a, munchline AND i like. It the guy
[54:23] Speaker 1: is acting, clueless like why would the cops be? Here
[54:26] Speaker 1: he makes up a story about tripping on a box,
[54:28] Speaker 1: cutter and they're, like cut the, shit, Dude like you're
[54:30] Speaker 1: under arrest for three charges of criminal sex act in
[54:32] Speaker 1: the first AND i wonder why it's not, Rape like
[54:35] Speaker 1: why is he not charged with? Rape like is sodomy
[54:37] Speaker 1: considered a criminal sex?
[54:38] Speaker 3: Act and?
[54:39] Speaker 1: Not you, know like, THAT i feel, like H i
[54:42] Speaker 1: don't know why he's not charged with. Rape but, anyway they're,
[54:47] Speaker 1: like maybe you shouldn't have come to the clinic and
[54:49] Speaker 1: the guy. Goes the guy, goes it wasn't worth dying,
[54:52] Speaker 1: over and it's, like you're being very casual about the
[54:55] Speaker 1: fact that you've been on a sexual assault spree that
[54:57] Speaker 1: ended with you getting, stabbed and it's really, Weird like
[55:01] Speaker 1: this guy's vibe is very. Strange at the, precinct the, Gals, Munch,
[55:05] Speaker 1: churlish And jet are all in the break room And
[55:07] Speaker 1: munsey's telling her, like, oh, yeah That's bruno's. Yogurt have at.
[55:10] Speaker 1: It so yogurt theft is a recurring theme in this.
[55:13] Speaker 1: Episode they Compliment jet on getting. Promoted she just made
[55:17] Speaker 1: it to detective second, grade and she's, like, YEAH i
[55:19] Speaker 1: still don't know HOW i feel about, it because you,
[55:21] Speaker 1: know if you WATCH oc It all or you listen
[55:23] Speaker 1: to our interview With, ainsley Like jet's character is like
[55:26] Speaker 1: a hacker who likes doing, good but SHE i think
[55:29] Speaker 1: she also secretly is like a cabin doesn't really like
[55:31] Speaker 1: working for authority and, like you, know the institution of
[55:34] Speaker 1: police law. Enforcement so she's you, know doesn't know how
[55:38] Speaker 1: she feels about working her way up the, ranks And
[55:41] Speaker 1: churlish just like get that, bag, girl like get. Paid
[55:43] Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be more. Money take. It So jet.
[55:46] Speaker 1: Leaves munsey Tells churlish about her, promotion And munsey's, LIKE
[55:50] Speaker 1: i don't know If i'm going to take it BECAUSE
[55:51] Speaker 1: i Love. Benson she's always been so good to. Me
[55:53] Speaker 1: And churlish is, like, Listen benson And stabler are. Good
[55:56] Speaker 1: rawlins is here and she's. Fine people adapt and then she,
[55:59] Speaker 1: says you do you? Boo so you, KNOW i think
[56:02] Speaker 1: we find out That muncie takes the. Deal in the next,
[56:05] Speaker 1: Scene coureese is With kate and she easily Picks randy
[56:08] Speaker 1: out of the, lineup like this guy has now a
[56:11] Speaker 1: POSITIVE id from a victim PLUS dna at all three,
[56:14] Speaker 1: scenes so he better be pleading, guilty like we don't
[56:17] Speaker 1: have time for, this And cresey's like on behalf Of
[56:19] Speaker 1: New York. City he says To, KATE i hope you
[56:21] Speaker 1: can give us another, chance and she, Goes i'm not SURE.
[56:24] Speaker 3: I can promise, that Mister, creasy.
[56:27] Speaker 1: And, like to be, FAIR i don't think you'd catch
[56:29] Speaker 1: me in a city like WHERE i got sexually assaulted
[56:31] Speaker 1: twice in a, Week, like, no.
[56:34] Speaker 5: Not.
[56:34] Speaker 1: Happening kate Asks finn And, bruno like what happens, next
[56:37] Speaker 1: and they're, like this guy's going away for a long,
[56:39] Speaker 1: time And i'm, like let's be, real he'll probably be
[56:40] Speaker 1: out in like five. Years LIKE i just feel like
[56:43] Speaker 1: the nature of his, crimes LIKE i don't think he
[56:45] Speaker 1: would get a huge.
[56:45] Speaker 3: Sentence but she throws them me if he gets five.
[56:49] Speaker 1: Years, yeah she throws them An iHeart New york, keychain
[56:52] Speaker 1: And finn grabs it instead and steals it from you,
[56:55] Speaker 1: Know bruno and goes two slow money bags because let's
[56:58] Speaker 1: not Forget bruno down to. Earth but he did sue
[57:00] Speaker 1: the department and has now an expensive watch, Collection so
[57:05] Speaker 1: it's really.
[57:05] Speaker 2: CRAZY i don't, know LIKE i think men love. Watches
[57:09] Speaker 2: it's like really. Crazy, Yeah AND i just am so
[57:11] Speaker 2: disconnected and checked out from that in any. Capacity but
[57:17] Speaker 2: when gut, around dude's talking. Watches it's probably how we
[57:20] Speaker 2: talk About. Bravo it's like so foreign to.
[57:23] Speaker 1: Me, yeah and it's like they're only it's their only
[57:25] Speaker 1: form of, Jewelry SO i guess that's they're just so
[57:29] Speaker 1: that's where they're.
[57:29] Speaker 3: Putting the money jewelry.
[57:31] Speaker 1: Wise but they Tell kate she's gonna be, okay and she,
[57:35] Speaker 1: goes don't tell my. Mom when she feels, guilty she
[57:38] Speaker 1: stays off my back and they're, like we get, it
[57:40] Speaker 1: we've met.
[57:40] Speaker 3: Her she's.
[57:40] Speaker 1: Awful so in the next, Scene cariesie is Telling, Livin
[57:44] Speaker 1: stabler And finn That Randy gordon actually had seven victims
[57:48] Speaker 1: and he copped to all of. It so this, guy
[57:51] Speaker 1: they somehow found four more victims and he cops to
[57:55] Speaker 1: confessed and liv, goes, yeah he's looking at life with
[57:58] Speaker 1: no chance of, Parole And i'm, LIKE i just don't
[58:01] Speaker 1: have big the fat's a realistic, sentence like.
[58:03] Speaker 3: From our justice. System i'm, like, yeah he rapes seven.
[58:06] Speaker 1: PEOPLE i still think he's out in Twenty LIKE i
[58:09] Speaker 1: still don't think that they're keeping him in for life
[58:11] Speaker 1: with no chance of, Barol LIKE i don't. Know but
[58:14] Speaker 1: the good news is because he, Confessed manny doesn't have
[58:17] Speaker 1: to testify and so he can start on his healing,
[58:21] Speaker 1: journey And finn And creasy helean in my healing. Journey
[58:25] Speaker 1: finn And creasy call it a night and they Leave
[58:27] Speaker 1: benson And stabler hanging together and she's like like two
[58:31] Speaker 1: hunters in the same duck. Pond and WHEN i type,
[58:34] Speaker 1: THAT i actually wrote fuck pond by accident, First AND
[58:38] Speaker 1: i bet all You bensler horndogs wish that it was
[58:40] Speaker 1: a fuck. Pond they there's a lot Of benson And
[58:44] Speaker 1: stabler giving each other longing looks Like the thing is
[58:48] Speaker 1: is he never looked at her in the first twelve
[58:51] Speaker 1: seasons the way he looks at her when he comes
[58:53] Speaker 1: back in the Post kathy being. Dead he did not
[58:57] Speaker 1: used to look at her like with these longing eyes
[59:00] Speaker 1: and like big grins on his, face like this is
[59:03] Speaker 1: new twenty, twenties trolling the fans for the benchlur things
[59:09] Speaker 1: that they.
[59:09] Speaker 2: He always like he's not a, fool like he's always
[59:13] Speaker 2: known she's, hot, Right LIKE i forgot someone wanted to
[59:15] Speaker 2: get with her and he's like, yeah get in, lie
[59:17] Speaker 2: or like, yeah, yeah, yeah you'll see lose. HER i
[59:20] Speaker 2: don't remember the. Line and it's obvious that she's hot
[59:23] Speaker 2: when they go, Undercover BUT i don't think He, YEAH
[59:27] Speaker 2: i don't think he would cheat on his, Wife LIKE
[59:29] Speaker 2: i don't think that was Really but then he did
[59:31] Speaker 2: kiss fucking what's her?
[59:32] Speaker 3: Face but, yeah back they were on a. Break, yeah
[59:37] Speaker 3: but it's like JUST i don't.
[59:38] Speaker 1: Know it's like it's just so different the way they
[59:40] Speaker 1: look at each other with these big walking. Smiles but
[59:43] Speaker 1: a decade has gone by and they're different people.
[59:45] Speaker 2: Now SO i think he was always like she's a,
[59:48] Speaker 2: babe but, LIKE i don't think he.
[59:50] Speaker 3: WAS i think he's like that liberal.
[59:53] Speaker 2: Cut, no not, really but he's LIKE i gotta go To,
[59:56] Speaker 2: catholic LIKE i. FEEL i don't, know or maybe he
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: did want to bone her the whole, time and, YEAH
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: i don't, KNOW i don't see.
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: IT i just didn't.
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: See, obviously there is, tension AND i think she had
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: moments of longing for.
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: HIM i.
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: Do, yes they both like have moments where they're looking
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: at each other for a little bit too, long like
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: the part in any movie where people two people would
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: kiss and it just keeps happening and it doesn't. Happen
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: but they're gonna just these two are just gonna tuck
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: in for a night of Watching Escrow island on the. Monitors,
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: okay they're still watching these like four people at. Work
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: so now they're Eating chinese together and they haven't paid
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: the electricity bill At New york AT nypd because there's
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: barely a light. On, yeah they've got a ton OF
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: i thought. THAT i, Go lisa's gonna love. This they're
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: like eating out of all These chinese food. Containers they're
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: talking about the.
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: Sauce something that's so communal about like eating lunch with,
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: coworkers like work. Lunch LIKE i just think about my
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: riscill on receptioning days or even on, SET i, guess
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: but it's like there's SOMETHING i don't know if it's
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: cause of school, lunch but there's something like cute about
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: it to.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: Me, yeah, yeah, yeah it's, Yeah and like Regular, chinese
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: The chinese also kind of implies, that like we're all
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: having bites of we're all, sharing you, know we just
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: ordered a bunch of things and we're. Sharing it's like
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: very communal. Eating and we're here for the. Night, yeah
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: we are in so it's dark as hell and these
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: two are doing this and Then stabler out of nowhere
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: again more of What i'm talking about the ways he
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: would never. Talk ten twelve years, ago when he was
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: on the, show he, GOES i WISH i could bottle,
[1:01:24] Speaker 1: this and she's, like what and he's.
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: Like, THIS i hate this. Moment i'm like, WHAT I
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: i hate?
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: Him like that's just that's like really not How stabler has.
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: Talked it just feels like they're really like. Leaning they're
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: just so leaning hard into like these two getting.
[1:01:39] Speaker 3: Together up to. Grief chop it up to. Grief you
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: don't chop, anything chop it up to.
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: Grief, Yeah like and he's just, LIKE i WISH i
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: couldottle this. Moment like if someone said that to, Me
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: i'd be, like, ew why are you being such a
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: Door LIKE i don't. Know that's just such a Dorky
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: like it's so overly sincere for, him for.
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: Him, yeah she smiles at him and and he's like
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: and he's, like but things just keep, changing like things
[1:02:03] Speaker 3: are just. Changing and she's, like, yeah things are, changing
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: like it's like.
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: Whatever and then he changes the, subject is like you
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: like this new team you rebuilt around, here and she's like.
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: Yep and then he's like you talk To rollins and
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: she goes, yeah and boy did we need. It it's
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: LIKE i DON'T i don't really. Understand like the conversation
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: they had about her wanting to go back to work
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: doesn't really feel like it was like feels like it
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: was like a conversation Maybe rowlins needed to, have but
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: she makes it sound like it was like their friendship
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: was in a bad place and they needed to. Chat but,
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: ANYWAY i like that Even stabler was getting involved in
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: her And rollins's. Issues but he clocks The christmas gift
[1:02:37] Speaker 1: that's behind live it's like a Wrapped christmas gift and
[1:02:40] Speaker 1: asks about it and she's, like, oh that gift that's
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: From noah's half brother's adoptive, parents which is a. Lot
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: And stabler, goes, OH i, Know i've met, them the,
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: McCanns and she's, like, oh you met, Them like they're so.
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: Normal they're like A tv, family like so. Wholesome And stabler's, like,
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: yeah well that's easy to get when you're not dealing
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: with rape and murder every day like we, are you.
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: Know and he's, like CAN i open?
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: It and she's like, no and he's, like it's A
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: christmas present in the middle Of, may and he, Goes
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: i'm not gonna open, it But i'm gonna tell you
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: why you're not opening.
[1:03:10] Speaker 3: It whatever's in this.
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: Box you're worried is too normal and it scares you
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: more than anything you'll ever face in your. Life WHAT
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: i don't even know what he's fucking talking, About, like
[1:03:21] Speaker 1: it's literally probably a LIKE i, mean we know what
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: it is now because we've seen the, episode BUT i was, thinking,
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: oh it's like a, trinket you, Know LIKE i don't
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: think it could be that. Traumatizing and she, goes, well thank,
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: you Doctor, STABLER i have. Normalitis and he's, like deflect
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: all you, want but it's the. Truth and he, goes
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: if it were, me i'd open, it and she, goes
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: you're not, me and then he goes detective detect. THYSELF
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: i don't even know what the fuck this dialogue. Is
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: Suddenly stabler grabs the. Remote there's nothing of note happening
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: on the, screen but he grabbed the remote and his
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: attention has been. Caught the blonde woman at The escro
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: place is like on the, phone going you're coming in?
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: Now oh it's five. O'clock we're all.
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: Leaving and then we go back To, Anya avatal and,
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: McCrary who are watching the feed and at The escro,
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: company the blonde is telling everyone SOME it guys coming
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: over to check the, system And benson tells the Team,
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: okay when THE it guy shows, up it's go.
[1:04:15] Speaker 3: Time so a car pulls.
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: In they're all, watching and The New york crew is
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: talking to The ohio crew over.
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: Zoom or, whatever like you know video call they have.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: And they confirmed that THE it appointment was actually made for.
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: Tomorrow so, however this guy is is not the REAL it.
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: Guy so they run the plates and the car belongs
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: To Jacob beckincourt's a college student who goes To Kenyon,
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: college WHICH i know a lot of people have gone
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: there grade.
[1:04:38] Speaker 3: School stabler. Goes that's about an hour From.
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: Dublin you just know off the top of your head
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: how Far Kenyon college is From, Dublin. Ohio, okay it's
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: not A catholic, school Or i'd believe.
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: It you, KNOW i.
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: Would understand if he knew Where kenyon. Was maybe you,
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: know he did some college tours the, Kids but The
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: dublin of it, all IT'S.
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: I wonder where More green ended up going to college
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: after he fucked up and didn't send in the money
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: like the check for Her columbia.
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: APPLICATION i wonder where she went, Anyway oh my.
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: God it's four.
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: Twenty, okay sorry, guys but are you listening have.
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: Fun this, Guy Jacob bettencourtz does it jobs for Task,
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: rabbit which is, LIKE i didn't even realize WHAT i
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: was calling. It the Task rabbit of like a rape
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: and murder site that they actually refer to the actual
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: task rabbit in. Here and it's funny because they're calling
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: a task rabbit when normally it would be, like, oh
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: it's for job, monkey you, know like they would make
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: up something different because they don't use real, websites like
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: they make up things like you, know friend face or
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: whatever face, union you. Know BUT i guess they got
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: some kind of promotional deal with Task. Rabbit the guy
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: walks into The escro place and The escro people are
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: all like immediately. Suspicious they're, like what company did you
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: say you're. From, MEANWHILE i think they'd normally just be,
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: like go fix. It we want to go out, here
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: like they're all talking about going to the ball and he's, like,
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: Oh i'm from task Grab. It i'll call your server
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: needs to be. Replaced and they're, like, well we didn't
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: call task grab. It but then the one guy at
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: the office is, like it's right back, here come with,
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: me and he's, LIKE i just want to get to
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: afterwork drinks at. McLellan's and this guy, goes no, Problem
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: i've got a new server in my. Car and then
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: he hooks up his computer to the. System you unless
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: you actually know code or something. LIKE i don't know
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: if this guy's doing anything sinister or, not but he
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: hooks up to the. Thing we see a bunch of
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: woop woop be bop bop happening on his, computer And
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: jet goes he's taking the server like he's about to
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: remove the server physically from this, office and if he
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: leaves with, it they have no. Evidence so they move.
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: In it's like, go go. Go they swarm The escrow.
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: Place everyone's screaming to people that work there are like
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: what they arrest the kid and McGrath Wants benson And
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: columbus like, immediately So stabler goes. Too at THE fbi
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: field office In, columbus they're talking To avatall and McCreary
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: like all The escrow office people are sitting there like
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: against the. Wall but apparently they've they've been pretty. Unhelpful
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: they don't know anything and they seem, clueless but they
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: also haven't lawyered, up so that's.
[1:07:08] Speaker 3: Good we can still talk to.
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: Them but Then jet calls and goes the site's back
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: up and it's running faster than, ever and there's probably
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: there's also something you should probably. SEE a new hit
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: is listed and, duh it's For benson And, stabler fifty k.
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: Each pictures of them in their little uniform like it's
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: Been it's, like if you're trying to get, it put
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: a hit On.
[1:07:28] Speaker 3: Menson put her with her hair.
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: Down it's her. Signature, look you know you got her
[1:07:31] Speaker 1: hair underneath her little police. HAT i JUST i don't
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: know if you've maybe like so many people to find.
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: Her so, anyway there's a bounty on both of their
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: heads for fifty k each on the site And benson,
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: goes who is this? Guy and To stabler and That's
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: dick Wolf.
[1:07:47] Speaker 3: Baby.
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: Now this episode concludes with THE oc episode with Many,
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: names where essentially they find out that the blonde woman
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: that works at The escro, Place how in the world
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: have we not actually done a deeper dive on all
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: of the employees', backgrounds has a seventeen year old son
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: Named kyle who teaches coding at summer camp every fucking
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: summer and is like a computer whiz and they like ask,
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: Her they're, like do you know any like buddy that's
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: like teen's early, twenties it's. Antisocial she's, like, NOPE i
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: don't know anybody like. That like she's boy momming. It
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: she's like covering for her. Son but they eventually find this.
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: Kid we see a backstory of him that he almost
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: took his own. Life he basically what happened was he's
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: set up Shadow work because he hates the world and
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: he wants to show everybody the true face of like
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: what people are really, like, right that's the point of.
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: It he feels like he's doing a service to humanity
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: and that Shadow work is going to be his.
[1:08:44] Speaker 3: Legacy but he makes it and.
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: At first no one's using, it and then as he
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: goes to take his own, life he's literally hanging from a.
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: Rope he sees that one person has done a post
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: on Shadow, work and he somehow manages to get down
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: and saves his own life because he's so excit that
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: this site is working and that was six months ago
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: and now he's just fucking letting Shadow work do its.
[1:09:05] Speaker 1: Thing they corner him at his old coating summer. Camp
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: they get, him not before he shoots one of THE
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: oc guys kind of like a hottie that people That
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: jet had a really special relationship, with and he gets
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: nicked in the. Neck spoiler alert if you're WATCH, oc
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: that's this is all in season. Three but he does
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: die eventually from his. Injuries but we Had Rick gonzalez
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: on our podcast who Plays Detective Bobby reyes and he's
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: like good friends with this with this other detective and
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: has to like hold his bloody wound and as he
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: first he becomes paralyzed from the waist down and then
[1:09:37] Speaker 1: he passes away in the.
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: Hospital it's sadder than.
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: That it's really he's like begging multiple people to please kill. Him,
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: yeah he's, like please pull the, plug LIKE i can't
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: live like. This and then they don't say, it but
[1:09:48] Speaker 2: we think his dad finally does. It but you know
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: he's gonna be taken out because he's talking about seeing
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: the northern, lights you. Know, yeah he's, like we're going on,
[1:09:56] Speaker 2: vacation and IT'S i the MOMENT i heard, THAT i was, like,
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: bitch you do not talk about vacations when you're about
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: to do a.
[1:10:02] Speaker 3: Sting, yeah he's telling me.
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: All about this exciting train trip Across canada And i'm, like,
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: dog you're never gonna see those. Lights so, anyway this fucking,
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: kid when they corner, him he.
[1:10:14] Speaker 3: Does like supuku or, whatever what's that. Called it's a.
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: Ritual it's a ritual suicide with a.
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: Sword so this guy shoves a fucking samurai sword through
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: his uh mid, section but he.
[1:10:26] Speaker 3: Lives and then they bring him in and he has to.
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: He has he basically doesn't want to give up the
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: site and he wants to keep it. Up and he's,
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: like you, guys can't really do anything to hurt me
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: BECAUSE i don't. Care but then they're, like, well we're
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: gonna charge your mom as a, conspirator and so that's
[1:10:43] Speaker 1: what gets him to as long as they leave his mom,
[1:10:45] Speaker 1: alone he'll take down the site and he's going to jail,
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: forever you. Know and when they find his like hideout
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: or whatever at the, camp he's got like all the
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: selfies that these people have, taken like all the selfies
[1:10:57] Speaker 1: that people have taken on this revenge, Site like he
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: has posted up like little.
[1:11:02] Speaker 3: Trophies so he's a, sick sick.
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: PERSON i, mean And rollins is talking to the mom,
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: earlier and she's, like it's not your, fault, Sociopathy like
[1:11:10] Speaker 1: it's like it just, happens like you, know you can't
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: always like you, know she's there kind of trying to
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: absolve the mother of her guilt because kind of one
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: of the reasons why she's hiding him is because she
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: feels like she's failed him in every way now that
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: she finds out he's essentially a murderer by.
[1:11:25] Speaker 3: Proxy so, anyway that's how it all.
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: Ends we thought it was, this, LIKE i mean it
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: it is a master, hacker BUT i GUESS i kind
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: of thought it was gonna be some super mastermind and
[1:11:34] Speaker 1: it's just like a fucking seventeen year old in cel
[1:11:36] Speaker 1: who hates the.
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: World, yeah so that's how it.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: Ends AND I i, mean it's a lot to invest
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: in a four episode arc that crosses multiple, franchises but.
[1:11:50] Speaker 2: It is satisfying in the way that it was like
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: someone that works their's son and like the darkness of
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: the attack and the.
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: SELFIEASON i just think.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: That THE fbi that would have been the first thing
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: they would have done is go through a full fucking
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: detailed profile of each one of the people that works
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: at that little. Business they're sitting there watching them still
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: yoga from each, other and no one's found out that
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: she has a psycho soun like that feels like like a,
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: hole but you know, WHATEVER i love finding. Holes but
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: ALSO i just, LIKE i do not mind a crossover.
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: EVENT i kind of like SOMETIMES i like even watching
[1:12:30] Speaker 1: a trial by jury or something like that to get
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: across the ping ponging back and forth where you're gonna.
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: Make me go here and then there and then here
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: and then there is like a little.
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: MUCH i don't like a four part, arc but that
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: kind of story is like what they do ON. Oc
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: like ON, oc they'll usually be like a longer thing
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: where it's takes multiple episodes to find, somebody and, like you,
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: know if not a full, season you, Know i'm still
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: behind On this season OF oc THAT i just recapped
[1:12:59] Speaker 1: was the last THAT i, watch SO i have to.
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: Wait, also the theme, Songs i've never really WATCHED, oc
[1:13:04] Speaker 2: and the theme song is jarring yeah.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: And uh In New York, city the Organized families of
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: crime or, whatever like CAN'T i.
[1:13:13] Speaker 2: CAN'T i was, like what is this? Techno like it
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: kind of hit me in this kind of weird.
[1:13:18] Speaker 3: Way it was sped. UP i don't.
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: KNOW i don't THINK i can watch organized, crime And
[1:13:23] Speaker 2: i'm obviously like a maloney. HEAD i like the, franchises
[1:13:26] Speaker 2: BUT i just can't do.
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: It, YEAH i do like it WHEN i have like.
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: TIME i think it's more like a show that you,
[1:13:33] Speaker 1: binge like you sit and watch a few, episodes you,
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: know not like they don't stand alone the WAY spu, does.
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: Where you can like pop in and pop. Out But
[1:13:41] Speaker 3: i'm excited to hear about these. Crimes, Okay so there
[1:13:52] Speaker 3: is three.
[1:13:53] Speaker 2: CASES i, mean if there's four, episodes there's gonna be
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: a few cases.
[1:13:59] Speaker 3: And i'll get into.
[1:14:00] Speaker 2: Them so the first one is the bas of mafia
[1:14:02] Speaker 2: darknet hitman, site and it wasn't. Real it's a, scam
[1:14:08] Speaker 2: but a bitch got, caught So christyla And. Falcons she
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: was living in Fallin, nevada and she used this website
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: to try to kill her ex. Husband she used twelve,
[1:14:19] Speaker 2: bitcoins which is like about five grand at the, time
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: which is twenty twenty three, lol so five, grand and
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: she spent months communicating with this the administrator of this
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: hitman site Called Beasa mafia and was arranging for this
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: murder of her ex. Husband she gave over his specific,
[1:14:42] Speaker 2: location and the site was operating as a hidden service
[1:14:46] Speaker 2: on the tour. Network we could PRETEND i know what that,
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: means but it's basically the dark.
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: Web but it was a.
[1:14:53] Speaker 2: Scam it was a, scam so she didn't get refunded
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: for the. Money people just want your. Money so these
[1:14:58] Speaker 2: little losers are hiring people to kill their, people but
[1:15:01] Speaker 2: it's a scam and they take the.
[1:15:03] Speaker 3: Money she was not. Refunded the site is no longer in,
[1:15:05] Speaker 3: operation and she was sentenced to five.
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: Years SO i Guess gil was, LIKE I i JUST
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: i thought it was a. JOKE i just wanted to
[1:15:13] Speaker 1: give away fifty thousand, dollars like to.
[1:15:15] Speaker 3: Scammers, yeah it's.
[1:15:18] Speaker 2: Wild but Like Homeland, security like all all the government
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: people were involved in this.
[1:15:24] Speaker 3: One and yeah you.
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: CAN'T i guess if you really want someone that, dead
[1:15:30] Speaker 2: it's just you can't trust another. Person if you want to,
[1:15:36] Speaker 2: murder you have to do. It yeah you're gonna get.
[1:15:40] Speaker 2: Caught you're gonna get. Caught people that hire other people
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: to murder usually get.
[1:15:45] Speaker 3: Caught mm. HMM i guess people that murder usually get caught.
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: Too so the next case is The Carl fanner, case
[1:15:52] Speaker 2: and he attacked three women on The Manhattan waterfront on
[1:15:55] Speaker 2: three separate. Occasions so it's based on that guy who
[1:15:58] Speaker 2: is six y. Six this happened Between march And november
[1:16:02] Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Two there were violent sexual assaults of women
[1:16:06] Speaker 2: that were walking or jogging in the. Mornings and So
[1:16:09] Speaker 2: march twenty, seventh twenty twenty, two it was at six,
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: am and he attacked a thirty nine year old woman
[1:16:16] Speaker 2: as she jogged along The Hudson River greenway Near pier
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: forty six In Greenwich. Village he was on a bike
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: and hopped, off tackled, her choked her before sexually assaulting,
[1:16:26] Speaker 2: her and then took her cell phone during the. Attack
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: and Then october, sixth twenty twenty, two he strikes again
[1:16:33] Speaker 2: five am and a forty eight year old woman as
[1:16:36] Speaker 2: she walked Near east thirty Seventh street AND Fdr drive In.
[1:16:40] Speaker 2: Midtown he approached her from behind and placed her in
[1:16:43] Speaker 2: a chokehold and ripped her jeans open before fleeing with
[1:16:46] Speaker 2: her credit card and cell. Phone and you, know a
[1:16:50] Speaker 2: lot of the city was really upset at how slow
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: the cops took at finding this. Person AND i want
[1:16:57] Speaker 2: to hate cops so. Bad but it also like it
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: must be hard to catch someone in a place with no,
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: care you, Know, like, yeah SO i see both sides
[1:17:06] Speaker 2: if his LIKE dna wasn't. Clicking but people were really
[1:17:09] Speaker 2: mad at the cops that it took this, long And
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: The times wrote an article about it as. Well november,
[1:17:15] Speaker 2: third twenty twenty, two five forty five, am he attacked
[1:17:19] Speaker 2: a forty three year old woman as she jogged along
[1:17:21] Speaker 2: The Hudson River, greenway this time Near pere forty five
[1:17:24] Speaker 2: In Greenwich. Village he grabbed her from behind and threw
[1:17:27] Speaker 2: her to the, ground choked, her raped her before fleeing
[1:17:30] Speaker 2: with her cell, phone credit, card and other. Belongings and
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: because of this, attack she ended up having a cervical
[1:17:36] Speaker 2: spinal fracture in her, neck rib fractures and a sternal,
[1:17:40] Speaker 2: fracture and a punctured. Lung and he was finally arrested
[1:17:46] Speaker 2: later that morning At Port authority bus terminal attempting to
[1:17:49] Speaker 2: get a bus ticket with her credit. Card so that's
[1:17:54] Speaker 2: how you catch, someone you. Know, yeah he pled, Guilty thank,
[1:17:58] Speaker 2: god so no child enough they he pled. Out So
[1:18:01] Speaker 2: On april twenty, ninth twenty twenty. Four he pled to
[1:18:03] Speaker 2: three counts of predatory sexual assault and two counts each
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: of criminal sexual act in the first, degree robbery in
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: the second, degree and strangulation in the second. Degree he
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: also pled to one count each of attempted murder in
[1:18:17] Speaker 2: the second, degree rape in the first, degree and robbery
[1:18:20] Speaker 2: in the first, degree and attempted rape in the first.
[1:18:22] Speaker 3: Degree so a lot of. Degrees, yeah so many.
[1:18:26] Speaker 2: Degrees and he got twenty five years to life and
[1:18:32] Speaker 2: on top of, that if he does ever get, released
[1:18:34] Speaker 2: he gets ten years post release. Supervision SO i guess
[1:18:39] Speaker 2: in the episode while, watching we were, like we don't
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: believe the, sentence but it.
[1:18:42] Speaker 3: Is what the person.
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: Got he got how many twenty five years to life
[1:18:48] Speaker 2: and if released ten years post release?
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: Supervision?
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: Shit, yeah, okay all, right, OKAY i just feel like
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: we've seen.
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: Less he is a black, man so that might be
[1:19:03] Speaker 3: part of the sentence as, well and if he was
[1:19:05] Speaker 3: maybe it wouldn't have been if he was.
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: White it's we can't ruin this young man's life just
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: because he did a couple of awful.
[1:19:14] Speaker 2: Crimes, yeah and if he was white and the women were,
[1:19:17] Speaker 2: black it would be, like here's a.
[1:19:19] Speaker 3: REWARD i don't, Know.
[1:19:22] Speaker 2: So i'm as shocked as you, are but then not
[1:19:25] Speaker 2: because of all the racial. Implications BUT i am glad
[1:19:28] Speaker 2: this person got twenty five to. Life it didn't seem
[1:19:31] Speaker 2: like he would stop and, yeah fuck. You so the
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: next case is about a woman Named Michelle Suzanne, hadley
[1:19:41] Speaker 2: and she was a twenty nine year old graduate student
[1:19:43] Speaker 2: living In california when basically her ex was falsely accusing
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: her of allurid.
[1:19:51] Speaker 3: Crime and THAT'S Nbc, newswords not.
[1:19:53] Speaker 2: Me so by the time the case, unraveled like you,
[1:19:58] Speaker 2: know she was accused of the, stuff had to go to,
[1:19:59] Speaker 2: jail all these things are. Happening she ended up losing her,
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: job her. Reputation in this article, said and like most,
[1:20:07] Speaker 2: people her faith in law. Enforcement And i'm, LIKE i
[1:20:09] Speaker 2: think that's the least big deal of your, Aftermath like
[1:20:12] Speaker 2: you lost your job and everyone thinks you're a.
[1:20:14] Speaker 1: Criminal she loved the cops and now she's, like doesn't
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: know if she can even trust.
[1:20:19] Speaker 3: Them her faith in law.
[1:20:20] Speaker 2: Enforcement so so she gets she's ends up in. Jail
[1:20:25] Speaker 2: she's charged with, stalking criminal, threats attempted, rape at with
[1:20:29] Speaker 2: a possible life sentence on the. Line the target Of michelle's,
[1:20:34] Speaker 2: crimes according to The Anaheim, police was a woman Named Angela,
[1:20:37] Speaker 2: diaz who had just recently married her ex and former,
[1:20:41] Speaker 2: Fiancee Ian, diaz who was A us.
[1:20:44] Speaker 3: Marshal so that's kind of.
[1:20:46] Speaker 2: Important So michelle was With ian for a couple of.
[1:20:50] Speaker 2: Years he's A us. Marshal they break, up he gets With,
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: angela But michelle And ian they are still tied together
[1:20:59] Speaker 2: because they own a. Car they, okay they are still
[1:21:03] Speaker 2: tied together because they own a condo. Together it's An
[1:21:06] Speaker 2: anaheim and they fought over this condo a. Lot, Okay
[1:21:10] Speaker 2: so they're fighting over this condo via email And hadley And,
[1:21:14] Speaker 2: diaz LIKE i, said together two. Years they ended their
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: Relationship august twenty, fifteen but he married a different, Woman,
[1:21:20] Speaker 2: Angela february twenty.
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: Sixteen that's.
[1:21:24] Speaker 2: Quick, yeah that's meeting someone or overlap and like being
[1:21:28] Speaker 2: married within six. Months that's like pretty. Wild So september twenty,
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: Fifteen michelle Sends ian an email with biblical language in,
[1:21:35] Speaker 2: it things Like god's law being above all laws for
[1:21:40] Speaker 2: swords Of, gods that kind of.
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: Stuff they both hire. Lawyers it's like a very tense.
[1:21:45] Speaker 2: Time and then In may twenty, Sixteen ian's new wife
[1:21:48] Speaker 2: announces her, pregnancy and as soon as that, happens she
[1:21:52] Speaker 2: starts receiving emails that were a very threatening mean and
[1:21:56] Speaker 2: we're sent, anonymously but seemed like they were coming From,
[1:22:00] Speaker 2: michelle same religious. TONE i hope you're scared of death.
[1:22:04] Speaker 2: Tomorrow be, prepared don't, Sleep be watchful of the daughters Of.
[1:22:09] Speaker 2: God we will steal your child and we will watch
[1:22:12] Speaker 2: it as it.
[1:22:13] Speaker 1: Dies So angela, religious so. Religious god's love is all around,
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: us isn't.
[1:22:19] Speaker 2: It angela files a restraining order Against. MICHELLE a judge
[1:22:26] Speaker 2: granted it and Ordered michelle to stop Contacting, angela but
[1:22:30] Speaker 2: the emails continued and they became even more. Threatening june,
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: six twenty, sixteen she gets an email that, says you
[1:22:37] Speaker 2: will pay for. THIS i hope To god you are
[1:22:39] Speaker 2: ready for the. PAIN i will show you burn in
[1:22:41] Speaker 2: the fiery pits of hell, tonight as By god's law
[1:22:44] Speaker 2: you will be. Hurt i'm having a good time reading.
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: This two weeks, later they Arrest michelle for violating the restraining.
[1:22:52] Speaker 2: Order her parents bail her, out and then it gets even.
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: Worse someone is responding To craigslist rape fantasy, ads so
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: like it's basically, look men are looking for violent sexual.
[1:23:04] Speaker 2: Encounters one response to the ad, Said i'm dying for
[1:23:07] Speaker 2: this kind of fantasy to come. True pull me, down
[1:23:11] Speaker 2: choke and bruise, me have your way with. Me and
[1:23:13] Speaker 2: the address was The anaheim condo Where ian And angela were. Living,
[1:23:17] Speaker 2: Now angela said men were showing up to her. Home
[1:23:22] Speaker 2: one even attacked her and she had to fight him.
[1:23:24] Speaker 2: Off and they were all coming for this like Fake
[1:23:27] Speaker 2: craigslist rape fantasy ad that was being put.
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: Out oh my, god this is just like what we
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: just talked about on another.
[1:23:34] Speaker 3: Episode, yeah, yeah.
[1:23:36] Speaker 2: Wild So anaheim police get. In michelle's Arrested july twenty,
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: sixteen and then she stays in jail for. Months she's
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: in prison for eighty eight. Days her parents decided that
[1:23:47] Speaker 2: instead of bailing her out, again that they would use
[1:23:49] Speaker 2: the money for a defense. Attorney so the parents and
[1:23:52] Speaker 2: the defense attorney get to. Work so they were using computer.
[1:23:55] Speaker 2: Forensics they were looking at the timing of emails and
[1:23:58] Speaker 2: they quickly Realized michelle is being fraand the police and
[1:24:01] Speaker 2: prosecutors came to the same conclusion almost immediately as. Well
[1:24:05] Speaker 2: So i'm. Confused why it took this. Long AND i
[1:24:07] Speaker 2: think him being A us marshal might have affected how
[1:24:10] Speaker 2: things were. Handled but it was the. Guy it was the.
[1:24:14] Speaker 2: Guy it Was it Was.
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: Ian oh my, gosh this is on no number type,
[1:24:20] Speaker 1: shit this.
[1:24:21] Speaker 3: One this will be a.
[1:24:22] Speaker 2: Lot of, references a lot of. References, yeah but, YEAH
[1:24:25] Speaker 2: i Was.
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: Ian it Was.
[1:24:27] Speaker 2: Ian AND i didn't know BECAUSE i gave a way
[1:24:29] Speaker 2: up top that she was accused that maybe you would
[1:24:31] Speaker 2: put it together AND i would be boring and should
[1:24:33] Speaker 2: have framed it all a different.
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: Way but no. Idea And i'm glad you're, surprised like
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: you're writing this ship to your pregnant, Wife like that's so.
[1:24:41] Speaker 3: Deranged why it's so?
[1:24:44] Speaker 2: RIGHT i didn't even think about the pregnant. Wife that's
[1:24:47] Speaker 2: even more. CRAZIER i was just, like what a?
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: Psycho, yeah why was he doing it just to fucking
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: shit on his?
[1:24:53] Speaker 3: Ex he wanted the, Condo so the. Condo this is
[1:24:57] Speaker 3: all over a. Condo why Does angela have to be
[1:24:59] Speaker 3: port of? This so, yeah he made.
[1:25:05] Speaker 2: It, see he made it seem Like michelle was luring
[1:25:09] Speaker 2: men to his home to sexually assault his then.
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: Wife they're not, Together.
[1:25:15] Speaker 2: Diaz Had hadley framed as a twisted plot together her
[1:25:19] Speaker 2: to walk away from the. Condo but there is evidence
[1:25:22] Speaker 2: That angela And Ian keather created the multiple online accounts
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: Using hadley's, name So angela was in on.
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: It it wasn't Traumatizing, angela, okay so she had to
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: do some serious.
[1:25:36] Speaker 2: Acting she had to go to the cops and be, like,
[1:25:38] Speaker 2: hell this is like, yeah but maybe at first he did.
[1:25:41] Speaker 2: IT i don't, know or she didn't know exactly what was.
[1:25:43] Speaker 3: Going i'm not.
[1:25:44] Speaker 2: Sure but they created the accounts, together, YEAH i. Guess,
[1:25:48] Speaker 2: yeah they enticed the men to do rape fantasy With.
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: Angela this isn't according to the. Indictment so, yeah, Damn
[1:25:55] Speaker 2: i'm like surprised by my own.
[1:25:57] Speaker 3: Work.
[1:25:57] Speaker 2: Okay so when the cops showed up To dia his
[1:26:00] Speaker 2: home On june, thirteenth twenty, sixteen he told officers That
[1:26:04] Speaker 2: hadley needs to be in fucking cuffs in a padded.
[1:26:07] Speaker 2: Room he also, said at what point does this girl
[1:26:09] Speaker 2: get arrested for sending this shit and hiring guys Off
[1:26:12] Speaker 2: craigslist to Rape? Angela that's THE nbc. News and then
[1:26:16] Speaker 2: On january, ninth twenty, seventeen Da Tony RECACAUCUS i don't, Know, Racaucus,
[1:26:22] Speaker 2: RACAUCUS i feel LIKE i just Said tourette's. RAB a
[1:26:33] Speaker 2: press conference was called and announced that she was innocent
[1:26:38] Speaker 2: and was just a victim of a diabolical. Scheme but
[1:26:41] Speaker 2: six years went by before any justice was. Served So
[1:26:45] Speaker 2: march twenty twenty, third finally a federal jury convicted the ex,
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: Boyfriend Ian, diaz a FORMER us. Deputy LIKE i said
[1:26:52] Speaker 2: that he set her, up and now he was found.
[1:26:54] Speaker 2: Guilty and the day he was, Convicted michelle gave birth
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: to her first. Child that was like a fun moment for, HER.
[1:27:02] Speaker 3: A cool, day cool.
[1:27:04] Speaker 2: Day and so then he was sentenced to one hundred
[1:27:06] Speaker 2: and twenty one months of imprisonment and three years of supervised.
[1:27:10] Speaker 3: Release one hundred and twenty one.
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: Months, sorry it's THE Us department Of.
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: Justice that's, like, oh ten, years that's ten, years.
[1:27:19] Speaker 3: Yeah ten. Years.
[1:27:23] Speaker 2: Yeah Angela diaz charged with ten felon accounts and pled
[1:27:27] Speaker 2: guilty and was sentenced to five years in prison In
[1:27:30] Speaker 2: october twenty. Seventeen hadley did file a suit against the
[1:27:33] Speaker 2: city In anaheim and four of its police officers in
[1:27:36] Speaker 2: late twenty. Eighteen she alleged they rushed to charge her
[1:27:39] Speaker 2: based on clearly doctored emails in the. Suit according TO
[1:27:43] Speaker 2: Nbc news that at its, heart this is a case
[1:27:45] Speaker 2: about the blue wall of silence law enforcement officers and
[1:27:49] Speaker 2: officials enabling fellow officers to violate civilians. Rights, Wow and
[1:27:56] Speaker 2: that they did the bidding for a corrupt us marshal
[1:27:59] Speaker 2: and like it.
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: Might have worked if she like didn't have a, Lawyer
[1:28:02] Speaker 1: like if she had like a public defender who was
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: overworked and like didn't get to look into all this.
[1:28:06] Speaker 1: Stuff like maybe they were banking on that that she
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: wasn't gonna spend, like you, know really higher good, counsel because,
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: like if you got people covering up your, shit he
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: could have gotten away with it if it wasn't for
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: you pesky.
[1:28:16] Speaker 2: Lawyers, yeah she did accept a Settlement april twenty twenty.
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: One amount not disclosed since it's our tax dollars and
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: there is a dateline if you want to.
[1:28:27] Speaker 1: Watch damn you, guys why don't you just sell the
[1:28:30] Speaker 1: fucking condo and split the.
[1:28:32] Speaker 3: Money the condo's not that big of a. Thing, yeah so.
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: Crazy you went to jail over a condo In. Anaheim
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: not a good IDEA a, decade not a good, IDEA, Lordi,
[1:28:46] Speaker 1: lordie all, right well let's get to Our let's get
[1:28:51] Speaker 1: to our.
[1:28:51] Speaker 3: Guests we've got a great guest.
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: Today our guest today is an actor who you may
[1:29:03] Speaker 1: have seen recently on the Shows The Better sister And Dexter,
[1:29:06] Speaker 1: resurrection but we know her best AS us Attorney Anya.
[1:29:10] Speaker 1: Avatol please enjoy our chat with the Delightful kadias Or off.
[1:29:15] Speaker 2: To have you right after The dexter finale is really
[1:29:19] Speaker 2: this is a, Huge this is huge for.
[1:29:21] Speaker 5: Us have you practiced the dance?
[1:29:23] Speaker 3: YET i.
[1:29:24] Speaker 2: Haven't, no BUT i have so many questions about. It you,
[1:29:28] Speaker 2: Know i'll tell you my favorite part of that finale
[1:29:31] Speaker 2: with you spoiler if people want to, Wait but when
[1:29:33] Speaker 2: you grab that, file you really it gave me.
[1:29:36] Speaker 3: Chills it was such a moment your. Character, YEAH i can't.
[1:29:40] Speaker 3: Wait it was a real. MIM i rewound it right.
[1:29:43] Speaker 2: AWAY i watched it, again LIKE i just felt so
[1:29:47] Speaker 2: good for. Her and we've Had dominic on our. Pod you, Did,
[1:29:50] Speaker 2: yeah he's an. Svulm he actually played a terrible.
[1:29:53] Speaker 5: Person, Okay i'm gonna have to talk to him about.
[1:29:56] Speaker 2: That do you pay attention to The dexter fandom like
[1:29:59] Speaker 2: theory is about The ripper and, okay all.
[1:30:01] Speaker 5: Right, yes and it's very.
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: ENTERTAINING i feel LIKE i want to take my earphones
[1:30:05] Speaker 1: out right, now like we're the both we're both the
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: biggest extra. Heads AND i haven't been able to watch
[1:30:09] Speaker 1: the new season, yet And i'm, like, WATCH i want.
[1:30:12] Speaker 3: To just let you two talk and SO i don't get,
[1:30:13] Speaker 3: spoiled it's.
[1:30:15] Speaker 5: Fine well we'll have to meet again then after, NO
[1:30:18] Speaker 5: i know we'll have to the.
[1:30:19] Speaker 2: Dance how long like choreo, wise how long did it
[1:30:23] Speaker 2: take you to learn that?
[1:30:24] Speaker 5: Dance, well it's my? CHOREO i, yeah nobody has said.
[1:30:31] Speaker 5: Anything nobody said there there's a plan for. That they
[1:30:33] Speaker 5: just threw it at me and, said we trust you
[1:30:36] Speaker 5: do something good with. It AND, i of, course because it's,
[1:30:40] Speaker 5: ME i you, know really invested in it and spend
[1:30:43] Speaker 5: probably a few months just taking all the disco moves
[1:30:46] Speaker 5: and kind of putting them together in a way that
[1:30:48] Speaker 5: is also easy to learn and, visually you, know some
[1:30:53] Speaker 5: funny elements in there that you would not expect code too.
[1:30:57] Speaker 2: WELL i also wasn't expecting the, fit like a pink
[1:31:01] Speaker 2: and red dress was very.
[1:31:03] Speaker 5: Shocking that was the goal to be the complete opposite
[1:31:06] Speaker 5: to shock.
[1:31:07] Speaker 3: People, No i've been telling.
[1:31:08] Speaker 2: People with the, FINALE i felt such completion and like,
[1:31:13] Speaker 2: resolution but also. ANTICIPATION i think they did such a
[1:31:16] Speaker 2: good job of, like, YES i feel, good but, like,
[1:31:19] Speaker 2: oh so many, answers so many questions for next, year.
[1:31:22] Speaker 5: Right, right so, many so many. Possibilities, yes AND i
[1:31:26] Speaker 5: don't even know if they know what's going to. Happen you,
[1:31:29] Speaker 5: know they're leaving a lot of possibilities for themselves as
[1:31:32] Speaker 5: well as. Writers so this is it was.
[1:31:35] Speaker 3: Exciting, yeah, congrats that was that was.
[1:31:38] Speaker 5: Huge thank.
[1:31:39] Speaker 3: You, yeah the show that keeps on.
[1:31:41] Speaker 1: Giving, Dexter so are you were you friends with a
[1:31:43] Speaker 1: lot of the casts you?
[1:31:44] Speaker 3: Mentioned you, know just Just, David, okay Just.
[1:31:47] Speaker 5: David. YEAH I i'm trying to think IF i knew anybody. Else,
[1:31:51] Speaker 5: no Just david And david who kind of nodged me
[1:31:58] Speaker 5: to check in on this role that he read in the,
[1:32:01] Speaker 5: script and that's HOW i kind of got my team
[1:32:04] Speaker 5: to try, to you, know get their hands on that
[1:32:07] Speaker 5: self tape. Invitation and, yeah in many ways he's the
[1:32:12] Speaker 5: one who he's the catalyst in.
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: This SO i like that you were just talking about
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: getting like weaseling your way into getting the self tape or,
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: whatever BECAUSE i kind of was interested in reading about
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: your career and how you came to The states to
[1:32:28] Speaker 1: be an actor and then you sort of like had
[1:32:30] Speaker 1: kids and got like a little sidelined and started. Later
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: AND i like sort of love hearing about people getting
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: going in like their true calling a little bit later in.
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: Life SO i just wanted to hear a little bit
[1:32:41] Speaker 1: about that from, you like, YOU i, mean getting YOUR
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: SVU arc was probably one of your first major.
[1:32:50] Speaker 5: Things, YEAH svu was the first recurring and it was
[1:32:55] Speaker 5: a self. Tape it was in an Office Jonathan, strauss
[1:33:00] Speaker 5: his office called me and for so many things for
[1:33:02] Speaker 5: years and they're really you, know they're they advocate for
[1:33:06] Speaker 5: the FOR us. Actors and that tape came. In it
[1:33:11] Speaker 5: seemed like one of those THAT i just threw away and,
[1:33:16] Speaker 5: Said i'm not going to get it. Anyway just put
[1:33:18] Speaker 5: another one in the books AND i ad libbed a little.
[1:33:21] Speaker 5: BIT i just made it my own AND i booked
[1:33:23] Speaker 5: it and it was very, exciting AND i showed up
[1:33:25] Speaker 5: on set and just the idea of having something that's
[1:33:30] Speaker 5: recurring was really exciting for, me and just being on
[1:33:33] Speaker 5: set that day was just so incredible to see how
[1:33:37] Speaker 5: everything works on, THAT i, mean legendary. Show. Yeah AND
[1:33:42] Speaker 5: i also felt like NOW i can officially call myself
[1:33:45] Speaker 5: A New york. Actor, YES i was on. That and
[1:33:49] Speaker 5: my daughter just Wrapped law And. Order she just did
[1:33:51] Speaker 5: a guest appearance on the original. Original how she's getting
[1:33:57] Speaker 5: her Sex she's going to be seventeen In. December, Wow
[1:34:00] Speaker 5: so she's going to get her sack card and first
[1:34:03] Speaker 5: Job law And. Order she's already set to.
[1:34:05] Speaker 2: Go and does she ask you for? Advice do you
[1:34:07] Speaker 2: guys do tapes? Together is it like a team get
[1:34:10] Speaker 2: out of my?
[1:34:10] Speaker 5: Face, no not at. All we WHEN i, started WHEN
[1:34:14] Speaker 5: i came back to, acting my kids were very, little
[1:34:17] Speaker 5: so they were my. READERS i did my scenes with
[1:34:20] Speaker 5: them all these. Years so they're watching this. Happen we're
[1:34:25] Speaker 5: we're studying with the same teacher With Bob krakauer self.
[1:34:28] Speaker 5: TAPES i, mean we're set up here for self. Tapes
[1:34:31] Speaker 5: and you, know it was one of those scripts that
[1:34:36] Speaker 5: we saw that there's potential and we kind of broke
[1:34:38] Speaker 5: it down together and did. This did the scene? Work
[1:34:41] Speaker 5: and she's she's so, Good but you, know.
[1:34:44] Speaker 3: We're getting into the family.
[1:34:46] Speaker 5: Business, yeah and my husband was also on.
[1:34:54] Speaker 2: Five the most one of the most unlikable characters of the.
[1:34:59] Speaker 2: Show oh but you saw you saw past? It, WELL
[1:35:02] Speaker 2: i read your Guys's New York. Times really, yeah.
[1:35:06] Speaker 3: Well i'm trying to.
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: See, Yeah, like our podcast had been going on for
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: about seven months when Your New York times article came
[1:35:13] Speaker 1: out about your, wedding and like the number of people
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: who sent it to, us it was like hundreds of
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: people were sending it to, us and we were, like
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: oh my, god we're going to get them on the
[1:35:21] Speaker 1: pod one.
[1:35:21] Speaker 3: Day so here we. Are we've got you.
[1:35:24] Speaker 1: On you did seven episodes OF svu and you were
[1:35:27] Speaker 1: also in LIKE Oc.
[1:35:28] Speaker 3: Cross hopefully more.
[1:35:29] Speaker 2: Coming there's more With, yeah they got to get.
[1:35:32] Speaker 3: More with the eighty AS i, mean the speaking.
[1:35:36] Speaker 5: Attorney but, wait.
[1:35:37] Speaker 3: But personal cases. Too she's really. RIGHT i.
[1:35:42] Speaker 5: Turned SO i think it's just because we loved each
[1:35:45] Speaker 5: other so. Much they want to wanted to bring me.
[1:35:47] Speaker 5: Back so in some you know, STORYLINE i went to
[1:35:51] Speaker 5: to be like a high powered attorney and THEN i
[1:35:54] Speaker 5: came back as he was attorney AND i, Said i'm
[1:35:56] Speaker 5: not even going to ask legally Works and even on
[1:36:01] Speaker 5: set it was so funny BECAUSE i remember in that
[1:36:04] Speaker 5: scene where we're raiding the office where the server. IS
[1:36:10] Speaker 5: i rated that with, them WHAT us attorney raids with THE.
[1:36:14] Speaker 1: Fbi, yeah it was all, Like, also you're A us
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: attorney and you're just like on a stakeout doing the grunt.
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: Work like looking at these people in The escro office
[1:36:23] Speaker 1: argue about. Yogurt i'm, like this woman would not be
[1:36:26] Speaker 1: doing this like she.
[1:36:28] Speaker 3: IS i was.
[1:36:29] Speaker 5: Cute and it was also funny on set because the
[1:36:31] Speaker 5: first ad, said, okay we need all THE fbi, agents
[1:36:35] Speaker 5: and for some, reason THE us, Attorney, oh he was
[1:36:39] Speaker 5: just you know, thing, obviously we love having you. Here
[1:36:41] Speaker 5: so you're here and you're gonna raid this place with everybody.
[1:36:44] Speaker 1: Else they were crossing over, franchises they're crossing over, agencies
[1:36:47] Speaker 1: they were just crossing.
[1:36:48] Speaker 3: Over it was a. Lot it's all.
[1:36:50] Speaker 2: Good but in the article it said it was like
[1:36:52] Speaker 2: a slow burn in the department for you. Guys so
[1:36:57] Speaker 2: you didn't have a crush at. All you weren't, like oh.
[1:37:00] Speaker 5: NO i wasn't. Looking in, FACT i told him when
[1:37:02] Speaker 5: he reached out to my, MANAGER i told HIM i
[1:37:06] Speaker 5: don't date on. SET i don't drink alcohol And i'm
[1:37:10] Speaker 5: not going to sleep with, you so what do you?
[1:37:12] Speaker 5: Want so he just, said, well a, COFFEE i. Guess
[1:37:17] Speaker 5: and it took another month until we. Met and it
[1:37:21] Speaker 5: was very slow because at that time in my LIFE
[1:37:23] Speaker 5: i had no intention of just dating for the sake of.
[1:37:27] Speaker 5: DATING i really wanted to be intentional and ask questions
[1:37:30] Speaker 5: BECAUSE i have a closet filled with red flags THAT
[1:37:34] Speaker 5: i just collect, generally SO i wanted this time to
[1:37:38] Speaker 5: be different and ask those questions and be very upfront
[1:37:41] Speaker 5: about certain. Things and of, course you, know life also
[1:37:46] Speaker 5: brings things to the forefront when you start. Dating but,
[1:37:51] Speaker 5: yeah it was very, slow and then suddenly it was very.
[1:37:53] Speaker 5: Fast so we got married less than a year after we.
[1:37:57] Speaker 5: Met which is.
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: Did you meet on your first like time on set FOR,
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: Svu like it was like a couple episodes after you've done.
[1:38:03] Speaker 5: That, no you, know it was the first day and
[1:38:05] Speaker 5: it was the press conference in which he did not
[1:38:10] Speaker 5: remember the name that he was supposed to, announce and
[1:38:13] Speaker 5: he wrote it on a piece of paper and put
[1:38:14] Speaker 5: it on the, podium And i'm thinking he's a recurring
[1:38:18] Speaker 5: actor and he is not. Memorized it was just a.
[1:38:22] Speaker 5: Name it was like two first names or something that
[1:38:24] Speaker 5: he just couldn't you. Know sometimes it's just like it
[1:38:27] Speaker 5: trips you. Up, YEAH i thought to, myself the, hohotspa
[1:38:30] Speaker 5: this guy has to write another piece of. Paper you
[1:38:33] Speaker 5: can do that and people don't judge you on, Set,
[1:38:35] Speaker 5: okay just, ME i judge. Him but he had to
[1:38:38] Speaker 5: make way For marishka For benson to, speak so he
[1:38:41] Speaker 5: moved towards my direction and then he stepped on my
[1:38:43] Speaker 5: foot and had to turn and. Apologize he's very. Shy
[1:38:49] Speaker 5: he's Not terry is.
[1:38:50] Speaker 2: Not, yeah that's what it said in that, article AND i,
[1:38:53] Speaker 2: mean obviously it's, acting but, YEAH i couldn't imagine him
[1:38:58] Speaker 2: being like a shy guy.
[1:39:00] Speaker 5: He's in real. Life is he's Very, yeah he's. SHY
[1:39:04] Speaker 5: i mean initially he's, shy but he's definitely the opposite of, McGrath.
[1:39:08] Speaker 2: Who's they always just Give benson a.
[1:39:11] Speaker 3: Man she has, to you.
[1:39:12] Speaker 2: Know prove birth to and respect and time and time,
[1:39:16] Speaker 2: again and they just don't listen to.
[1:39:18] Speaker 5: Her but things changed, now right in the new, season
[1:39:21] Speaker 5: so the woman, Showrunner, yeah.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: Yeah we're excited to see where that. Goes and you're
[1:39:27] Speaker 1: back this.
[1:39:27] Speaker 5: Season I'M i don't, KNOW i Mean i'm open to the.
[1:39:33] Speaker 2: Casting ears are very happy to see what goes down
[1:39:38] Speaker 2: with the new show.
[1:39:39] Speaker 5: Running, well, wait how long does a use? Attorney it's
[1:39:42] Speaker 5: four year.
[1:39:42] Speaker 1: Term, OH i think if she comes, back she's coming
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: back as like a, lawyer probably right, lawyer.
[1:39:48] Speaker 5: Or EVEN i don't, know maybe a hitman.
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: Involved in, something involved in. SOMETHING i, mean, listen your
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: husband has been five different characters the, show, right so
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: you could be back for you could be back like
[1:40:04] Speaker 1: in a year as a completely an, assassin you, know
[1:40:07] Speaker 1: like who knows that's.
[1:40:08] Speaker 3: True you could be back as a totally different.
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: Person you've played like so many like just glancing at YOUR, IMDb,
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: like BECAUSE i don't watch every one of these, shows
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: but like a lot OF us attorney chief, detectives like like,
[1:40:21] Speaker 1: cops and you've been ON Fbi international Blue, bloods like
[1:40:25] Speaker 1: all these different cop. Shows, right what do you think
[1:40:27] Speaker 1: it is about you that gives off such a copy.
[1:40:31] Speaker 5: Vibe it's not my, wardrobe that's for, SURE i would.
[1:40:38] Speaker 5: Say just that's the WAY i walk into the. Room
[1:40:40] Speaker 5: Either i'm going to kick someone's ass or or be
[1:40:43] Speaker 5: paid a lot of. MONEY i, Guess, yeah that's how
[1:40:47] Speaker 5: that's HOW i walk into a. Room usually that's the.
[1:40:49] Speaker 2: Energy has Playing detectives And cops changed or made you
[1:40:53] Speaker 2: understand like a perspective that you didn't or not, REALLY.
[1:40:58] Speaker 5: I would say Playing claudette has yes because of, that
[1:41:03] Speaker 5: because see with because there's so many more episodes to
[1:41:07] Speaker 5: dive into that are the storyline is a lot. MORE
[1:41:11] Speaker 5: i mean there's a, beginning, middle and. End And i'm
[1:41:16] Speaker 5: not a guest that comes in to complete the. Story
[1:41:19] Speaker 5: i'm part of the. STORY i got a chance to
[1:41:22] Speaker 5: really dive. Deep And i'm now actually studying At John.
[1:41:24] Speaker 5: Jay i'm studying With Professor Lewis, schlessinger who is THE
[1:41:28] Speaker 5: og Of research on Serial killers whoa. Filing, yeah and he's.
[1:41:35] Speaker 5: TEACHING i actually heard him on a. Podcast he was
[1:41:37] Speaker 5: a guest on the, podcast AND i just googled him
[1:41:40] Speaker 5: AND i saw a number AND i left him a
[1:41:41] Speaker 5: message AND i, said, WELL i would really love to
[1:41:44] Speaker 5: pick your brain and then realize maybe it's not the
[1:41:46] Speaker 5: right term to, you but here's my. Number and he
[1:41:51] Speaker 5: called me up and we talked on the, phone and
[1:41:53] Speaker 5: then we audited a class and Now i'm in his
[1:41:55] Speaker 5: forensic psychology. Class oh my, god wait say his name.
[1:41:59] Speaker 5: Again Professor lewis l O U I. S SCHLESSINGER, S,
[1:42:06] Speaker 5: YEAH i got.
[1:42:07] Speaker 2: It so are you going like a few times a?
[1:42:10] Speaker 5: Week like once a. Week it's just this one chorus
[1:42:13] Speaker 5: on zoom And i'm DOING i have to do a
[1:42:16] Speaker 5: paper on a serial. Killer and they told, me you,
[1:42:19] Speaker 5: know you don't have to because you're NOT i, know
[1:42:22] Speaker 5: BUT i want. To, Yeah so Now i'm doing. That
[1:42:25] Speaker 5: so doing this and auditing his class and picking his,
[1:42:30] Speaker 5: brain that's so cool made me understand MAYBE i understand,
[1:42:35] Speaker 5: sociopathy made me understand. Psychopathy this is something also that
[1:42:40] Speaker 5: when the original show was, out we didn't understand that
[1:42:44] Speaker 5: it was just like the bad, Guys and now we
[1:42:46] Speaker 5: see the. Layers we see you know that there are
[1:42:49] Speaker 5: sociopaths living among, us wanting to, belong to be part of.
[1:42:53] Speaker 5: Society AND i, think you, know working of, Course i'm
[1:42:58] Speaker 5: learning a lot about lawyers and the system playing us
[1:43:02] Speaker 5: attorney and. Lawyers but HERE i had an opportunity to
[1:43:08] Speaker 5: kind of to step into a personal, element like what
[1:43:12] Speaker 5: are my reasons to do something like? This why WOULD
[1:43:16] Speaker 5: i choose such a? Profession what is my you, know
[1:43:20] Speaker 5: what is my not white? Whale but what is my absolute?
[1:43:25] Speaker 5: Death IF i don't achieve as a. Character and these
[1:43:29] Speaker 5: things made me ask a lot of questions and call
[1:43:31] Speaker 5: different precincts and talk to detectives and ask them, questions
[1:43:34] Speaker 5: and you, know and apparently nobody's really excited about me
[1:43:38] Speaker 5: playing in the show UNLESS i tell them which one of?
[1:43:40] Speaker 5: THEY i, Thought i'd, Say i'm an actress And i'm
[1:43:43] Speaker 5: playing on the. Show And i'm, like, okay what do you?
[1:43:46] Speaker 5: Want that's a few? Questions, sure email.
[1:43:50] Speaker 2: What so what are, like do you remember any of
[1:43:53] Speaker 2: the things you learned from the detectives and the calls
[1:43:55] Speaker 2: you made outside of the?
[1:43:57] Speaker 5: Professor, yes the one DETECTIVE i spoke. To first of
[1:44:00] Speaker 5: all the, grades the different, grades you, know there's all
[1:44:03] Speaker 5: the steps you have to climb in terms of how
[1:44:07] Speaker 5: long you've been a, detective what kind of cases you
[1:44:09] Speaker 5: would take. On but what really was interesting this man
[1:44:15] Speaker 5: was so jolly on the, call AND i asked, him,
[1:44:20] Speaker 5: like you're dealing with homicide all? Day what is how
[1:44:23] Speaker 5: are you still so? Jolly you sound so? Happy and he,
[1:44:27] Speaker 5: Said i'm retiring in a few. Months but apparently in
[1:44:32] Speaker 5: their forties they, retire you, know they have that, opportunity and,
[1:44:36] Speaker 5: YEAH i don't know it's really. Interesting Even Professor, schlessinger
[1:44:39] Speaker 5: he's such an innocent not, innocent but he has this
[1:44:42] Speaker 5: innocence AND i don't, know like childlike awe about him
[1:44:48] Speaker 5: and joy THAT I i don't know how he still maintains,
[1:44:52] Speaker 5: after you, know interviewing all these.
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: KILLERS i think it's like like a compartmentalization on another
[1:44:59] Speaker 1: level from but it has.
[1:45:00] Speaker 5: To, be it has to, Be.
[1:45:02] Speaker 2: Yea but also maybe it's like dealing with all these,
[1:45:05] Speaker 2: sociopaths you connect more with your own humanity or like
[1:45:08] Speaker 2: you're able to see goodness more and like the absence
[1:45:13] Speaker 2: of this.
[1:45:14] Speaker 3: Sociology or psycho.
[1:45:16] Speaker 2: Sociopathic LIKE i wonder if once you see someone that's so,
[1:45:22] Speaker 2: empty you're able to like touch a closer into your own.
[1:45:25] Speaker 3: Humanity, wait AS i was.
[1:45:27] Speaker 1: Just looking in preparation for, THIS i didn't realize you
[1:45:31] Speaker 1: And terry have writing credit or like story by credit
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: for the episode jumped.
[1:45:36] Speaker 3: In so how did that come? About you guys were.
[1:45:40] Speaker 5: LIKE i think we're the first in the history of
[1:45:43] Speaker 5: the show in fact. Actors, yeah so what? HAPPENED i
[1:45:48] Speaker 5: started LEARNING aso four years, ago and AS i was
[1:45:54] Speaker 5: learning the, LANGUAGE i started learning about the deaf. Culture
[1:45:58] Speaker 5: which is inseparable from the, lang which and The it
[1:46:03] Speaker 5: was just crazy to hear the numbers of deaf people
[1:46:08] Speaker 5: who get sexually. Assaulted, yeah and the numbers are, staggering
[1:46:14] Speaker 5: and that approximately maybe the numbers, changed but approximately five
[1:46:20] Speaker 5: percent report the, assault which is a very low. Number
[1:46:25] Speaker 5: and the reason for that is that from reporting to achieving,
[1:46:30] Speaker 5: justice they are reliving the trauma over and over and
[1:46:35] Speaker 5: over again because there's no one that can understand. Them
[1:46:40] Speaker 5: there's not. Many the access to interpretation is very. SCARCE
[1:46:44] Speaker 5: i hope that has changed since, then AND i wanted
[1:46:49] Speaker 5: TO i reached out to this. ORGANIZATION i SAID i
[1:46:52] Speaker 5: would really love to hear some. Stories AND i think
[1:46:55] Speaker 5: they did their due diligence and found out That i'm
[1:46:57] Speaker 5: on the show and wrote me, back don't touch this
[1:47:01] Speaker 5: because you guys do it wrong all the. Time you came,
[1:47:04] Speaker 5: out you come out as. Heroes you don't tell our stories.
[1:47:07] Speaker 5: Accurately SO i Approached David, graziano who was the showrunner
[1:47:12] Speaker 5: at the, time AND i told, him, look there's a
[1:47:15] Speaker 5: story to tell here that can actually make a. Difference
[1:47:19] Speaker 5: but we ass few as law enforcement and the justice
[1:47:24] Speaker 5: department in the, Show we're going to have to hold ourselves,
[1:47:27] Speaker 5: Accountable so we're going to have to admit something's not
[1:47:32] Speaker 5: working and how do we change? This and they welcomed
[1:47:37] Speaker 5: it with open. Arms it was an incredible, experience AND
[1:47:40] Speaker 5: i was able to give notes on the scripts ahead of.
[1:47:42] Speaker 5: Time and you, know there were certain Things terry AND
[1:47:47] Speaker 5: i had a story in, mind but of, course you,
[1:47:49] Speaker 5: know they have to continue with their a. Story but
[1:47:54] Speaker 5: there were certain things that were really. Important for, example
[1:47:56] Speaker 5: the lack of access to an. Interpreter SOMETIMES i have
[1:48:00] Speaker 5: to sit and wait for hours until one arrives and
[1:48:02] Speaker 5: then they just go. Home lack of patience from the,
[1:48:06] Speaker 5: interpreter or not understanding the verbiage when it comes to sexual,
[1:48:09] Speaker 5: assault so many. Things, yeah It's i'm so so proud of,
[1:48:17] Speaker 5: it and the feedback THAT i got from the community is.
[1:48:20] Speaker 5: POSITIVE i, MEAN i, would of course would love to
[1:48:23] Speaker 5: continue expanding on the topic and have a deaf character
[1:48:27] Speaker 5: on the, show and BUT i consider this a. Win
[1:48:32] Speaker 5: AND i have to say that the collaborative space was
[1:48:36] Speaker 5: very inspiring and very moving to.
[1:48:38] Speaker 3: Me that's so cool that you very did that like that.
[1:48:42] Speaker 2: That, yeah have you always been a very good? Student,
[1:48:47] Speaker 2: yeah it's like.
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: Impressive, YEAH i remember this episode Where Cameron mannheim is doing.
[1:48:56] Speaker 3: That, now did she know the sign?
[1:48:58] Speaker 5: Language she? Does she's been. SIGNING i think she's an
[1:49:01] Speaker 5: interpreter as. Well she signed All law And order as,
[1:49:04] Speaker 5: well where one of the interviews the interrogations were in
[1:49:07] Speaker 5: sign language and she was.
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: Interpreting that thing is sort of so perfect because she
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: was just starting on the New law And. Order probably, right, perfect.
[1:49:16] Speaker 5: It's, Perfect but also that was if that scene wasn't done,
[1:49:21] Speaker 5: correctly we would have lost all of the death. Viewers,
[1:49:24] Speaker 5: yeah the good. Way, yeah because the lack of availability
[1:49:28] Speaker 5: and when somebody walks into the precinct to, report that
[1:49:32] Speaker 5: is what makes them usually walk. Away and she was.
[1:49:36] Speaker 5: Available so if you notice in that episode she, says
[1:49:39] Speaker 5: just so you, know To, benson this is not. Normal
[1:49:42] Speaker 5: i'm happy to, help but this is Not this is not.
[1:49:45] Speaker 5: Normal this doesn't happen that someone is available and can.
[1:49:49] Speaker 5: Help and you know that's that was a back and forth.
[1:49:52] Speaker 5: Conversation this is great that she's crossing over into our,
[1:49:54] Speaker 5: show but we have to make sure that we highlight
[1:49:58] Speaker 5: because that is the end, point entry. Point this is
[1:50:02] Speaker 5: exactly the one thing that's going to be a make
[1:50:04] Speaker 5: or break for a successful you, know attempt of.
[1:50:10] Speaker 2: Justice can you give us some like maybe scoop fun stories.
[1:50:14] Speaker 5: That are oh my.
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: GOD i Mean marishka and her husband came to your.
[1:50:18] Speaker 1: Wedding how excited they.
[1:50:20] Speaker 5: DID i think they posted on your wedding was small. Vacation,
[1:50:24] Speaker 5: yeah they postponed air. VACATION i, mean she's the. Reason you,
[1:50:28] Speaker 5: know she's the. Matchmaker we call her the. Matchmaker apparently
[1:50:32] Speaker 5: sv brings a lot of couples. Together yeah and, yeah
[1:50:37] Speaker 5: behind and also behind the, scenes there's a lot of.
[1:50:39] Speaker 5: Couples so she has this she's a magical Fairy.
[1:50:44] Speaker 3: Marishka, YEAH i kind of like Iving Taylor swift at your.
[1:50:48] Speaker 3: Wedding she, Came.
[1:50:51] Speaker 5: She came to her, wedding and apparently it took way
[1:50:54] Speaker 5: too long for me to come out of or come
[1:50:57] Speaker 5: with the, car come down the. AISLE i didn't know
[1:50:59] Speaker 5: that people waiting for three? Hours she, said three. HOURS
[1:51:02] Speaker 5: i don't her faster, MAYBE i, mean it was a nice.
[1:51:05] Speaker 5: Day it was, outdoors you, know AND i definitely don't
[1:51:09] Speaker 5: didn't have a concept of time that. Day but it
[1:51:11] Speaker 5: was very special that they. Came, yeah very. Special oh fun, experiences.
[1:51:17] Speaker 2: Cold, facts, yeah, Tea, yeah we like to. Learn he
[1:51:23] Speaker 2: recently had a great tweet about marriage THAT i was.
[1:51:26] Speaker 2: Into he said everyone always asked me advice on how
[1:51:29] Speaker 2: he stayed married for twenty five. Years he, GOES i
[1:51:31] Speaker 2: know how to be married to my, wife not your.
[1:51:33] Speaker 5: Wife, wow that's like. Smart let me tell you something
[1:51:39] Speaker 5: about ice tea.
[1:51:40] Speaker 3: Please.
[1:51:40] Speaker 5: Okay every time this man opens his, MOUTH i drop
[1:51:47] Speaker 5: WHAT i do and, listen because even if it's some
[1:51:51] Speaker 5: banter in there is going to be a, gem some
[1:51:55] Speaker 5: kind of like wisdom. Piece and it's. Not he doesn't,
[1:52:01] Speaker 5: preach he doesn't you, know it's not in your face at.
[1:52:05] Speaker 3: All it is.
[1:52:06] Speaker 5: Genuine he's such a real, person which you know sometimes
[1:52:10] Speaker 5: he just talks and you're, like oh my. God he
[1:52:11] Speaker 5: actually he lives that. Way he is that genuine of a.
[1:52:15] Speaker 5: Person and so every time he opens his, MOUTH i
[1:52:17] Speaker 5: bring the chair closer to. Him next. TIME i just
[1:52:20] Speaker 5: want to hear. It BUT i really don't remember something.
[1:52:22] Speaker 5: Specific i'm trying to.
[1:52:23] Speaker 3: THINK i, mean he had a podcast THAT i used
[1:52:26] Speaker 3: to listen.
[1:52:26] Speaker 1: TO i, see and it's just such a shame that it's,
[1:52:29] Speaker 1: used BECAUSE i don't think he does The Final level podcast.
[1:52:33] Speaker 5: ANYMORE i don't like stopped a few.
[1:52:36] Speaker 1: Years ago and it was so like what you're saying
[1:52:39] Speaker 1: you he would just be talking about, whatever And i'd be,
[1:52:41] Speaker 1: like this is, Riveting LIKE i just so many celebrity star,
[1:52:45] Speaker 1: podcasts And you're, like WHATEVER i see actually should be
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: in the podcast.
[1:52:49] Speaker 5: Game, yeah no fear. Facts, yeah there you. Go he's
[1:52:55] Speaker 5: Not he. Doesn't he doesn't really care what people. Think
[1:52:58] Speaker 5: and he's very real and there's, yeah there's some there's
[1:53:04] Speaker 5: very valuable and rare today to hear somebody just be
[1:53:08] Speaker 5: real and not be afraid of. Ramifications, yeah and you're, like,
[1:53:12] Speaker 5: OH i really needed to hear. That and it's not
[1:53:15] Speaker 5: one of those quotes that you, know you see online
[1:53:18] Speaker 5: that have some emojis on them and sparks and. Whatnot
[1:53:22] Speaker 5: it's just fact and he lives by. It so, YEAH
[1:53:27] Speaker 5: i see as the best man all of. Them everyone
[1:53:29] Speaker 5: on the set is.
[1:53:29] Speaker 3: Incredible, okay do do you have any like last minute?
[1:53:32] Speaker 3: TIDBITS i did want to.
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: SAY i reread The New York times profile of your,
[1:53:35] Speaker 1: wedding And i'm kind of obsessed That terry proposed to
[1:53:38] Speaker 1: you while he was like icing his. Vasectomy like That's i'm,
[1:53:43] Speaker 1: like we're both stand up comedians and, LIKE i have
[1:53:45] Speaker 1: a big chunk of my stand up about how my
[1:53:47] Speaker 1: husband complained about his, vaseectomy AND i was, like a shut, Up.
[1:53:50] Speaker 5: YEAH i saw. That ACTUALLY i saw. That oh it's so.
[1:53:54] Speaker 5: Funny it's so funny how to how how that little?
[1:53:57] Speaker 5: Thing And i'm sure it's. Painful i'm sure your pain is,
[1:54:01] Speaker 5: valid but come, on it's that empathy.
[1:54:04] Speaker 3: You were talking.
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: ABOUT i can acknowledge that your pain can, exist BUT
[1:54:07] Speaker 1: i will. NOT i will not say that you feel
[1:54:10] Speaker 1: the compassion THAT i felt delivering two nine pound.
[1:54:12] Speaker 2: Babies you know anything that you would love to for
[1:54:17] Speaker 2: people to watch or see any?
[1:54:19] Speaker 5: Resurrection, Yeah Dexter resurrection On Paramount plus With showtime binge.
[1:54:24] Speaker 5: It please record yourself dancing The Dexter Dance. CHALLENGE i.
[1:54:31] Speaker 3: Choreograph.
[1:54:32] Speaker 5: That that's, Awesome so you, know it's a simple. Thing,
[1:54:36] Speaker 5: INITIALLY i recorded the tutorial for for the cast BECAUSE
[1:54:41] Speaker 5: i wanted us all to. Surprise the crew went on
[1:54:45] Speaker 5: the day of and all of the actors to come
[1:54:48] Speaker 5: and dance with, me and there were game but you, know,
[1:54:54] Speaker 5: scheduling we ended up being on set on different days
[1:54:58] Speaker 5: because the vault is somewhere else than The, yeah dance
[1:55:00] Speaker 5: room and. All so it didn't work. Out but Then,
[1:55:03] Speaker 5: paramount the marketing team In, paramount we are. Amazing they
[1:55:07] Speaker 5: love the idea to do something for the, fans kind
[1:55:11] Speaker 5: of a call to, action and then they edited this
[1:55:13] Speaker 5: cool little dance and now you guys know how to dance.
[1:55:16] Speaker 3: It so all, Right i'm gonna do. IT i can't.
[1:55:20] Speaker 3: Wait i'm, Watching i'm catching up this.
[1:55:22] Speaker 2: Week, well obviously this is, exciting a whole dextra. Situation
[1:55:30] Speaker 2: this interview was a. Thrill BUT i also did just
[1:55:32] Speaker 2: get a response that my fee is. WAIVED i think
[1:55:36] Speaker 2: my success bought me a. Guest, okay, yeah well but
[1:55:47] Speaker 2: they're going to give you like a thousand dollars worth
[1:55:48] Speaker 2: of chips to.
[1:55:49] Speaker 3: Play that's. Fun, yeah so.
[1:55:51] Speaker 2: Whatever i'm, excited But i'm. Not, okay all, RIGHT i
[1:55:55] Speaker 2: got all the Things i'm. Playing the fee is, waived thank. God,
[1:55:58] Speaker 2: okay thank?
[1:55:58] Speaker 4: You?
[1:55:59] Speaker 3: Confirmed, lol.
[1:56:01] Speaker 2: Amazing, okay So i'm gonna be playing. Poker but, NO
[1:56:04] Speaker 2: i played, LISTEN i played in high school when it was.
[1:56:08] Speaker 2: COOL i played in, like you, know throughout my late,
[1:56:12] Speaker 2: teens mid, teens early. Twenties but you, know my brother
[1:56:15] Speaker 2: in law's an avid.
[1:56:16] Speaker 3: Player that's, RIGHT i know THAT i just AND i
[1:56:20] Speaker 3: have the Movie.
[1:56:20] Speaker 2: Rounders that's like HOW i started talking smooky about. It
[1:56:23] Speaker 2: it's like it all, Started, no it started WITH i
[1:56:25] Speaker 2: don't know how it, started But rounders was a big
[1:56:28] Speaker 2: focal point of our.
[1:56:29] Speaker 1: Conversation, Yeah i've, played But i'm NOT i don't remember
[1:56:33] Speaker 1: what is good and what is. Bad LIKE i really
[1:56:35] Speaker 1: just don't follow it very. Well AND i don't know
[1:56:39] Speaker 1: the difference between like regular And texas hold them and
[1:56:42] Speaker 1: like all their different flavors of. Poker but, yeah, listen
[1:56:46] Speaker 1: this was a great.
[1:56:47] Speaker 2: Interview what a hard, Worker what a cool woman with
[1:56:50] Speaker 2: a thirst for.
[1:56:51] Speaker 1: Knowledge, yeah just like teaching YOURSELF asl or like LEARNING
[1:56:56] Speaker 1: asl or taking a. Class it's like when we ask
[1:56:58] Speaker 1: people like did you do search on the True? Crime
[1:57:01] Speaker 1: and most of the time they're, like, OH i didn't
[1:57:02] Speaker 1: really know it was based on, that and like maybe
[1:57:04] Speaker 1: that's probably not something the director told them to. Do
[1:57:06] Speaker 1: but she like took a full criminal justice class for
[1:57:10] Speaker 1: Her Dexter resurrection.
[1:57:11] Speaker 3: Character like that's. Cool, yeah it's very fucking.
[1:57:15] Speaker 1: Cool, yeah AND i liked hearing the inside scoop of
[1:57:19] Speaker 1: her And Terry curproco Aka Chief tommy McGrath meeting and.
[1:57:25] Speaker 3: Weddingry, yeah a beautiful S view love.
[1:57:28] Speaker 2: Story why Did Taylor swift hide herself going to that football?
[1:57:32] Speaker 2: Game why is there an accordion? Door what's going?
[1:57:34] Speaker 3: On what? Happened she just was like in a.
[1:57:37] Speaker 2: Box and had like a wall and she didn't let
[1:57:40] Speaker 2: anyone see her Walk and, LIKE i guess it's more
[1:57:43] Speaker 2: security and dark in the glass now and they're like
[1:57:45] Speaker 2: taking it up a. Notch, huh, LISTEN i know no
[1:57:49] Speaker 2: one can see this And i'm changing topics quickly AND i.
[1:57:51] Speaker 2: Apologize but DO i just get botox in this line or?
[1:57:54] Speaker 3: What? LIKE i don't know. What you easily. Can i'm,
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: like it doesn't look, bad but you easily.
[1:57:58] Speaker 2: Can i'm so scared of what of the needle like
[1:58:03] Speaker 2: touching my skull and like, no, no, no, No.
[1:58:06] Speaker 1: The needles for boatox are so tiny they like they
[1:58:09] Speaker 1: kind of just go Into it doesn't even feel like
[1:58:12] Speaker 1: we should just do.
[1:58:13] Speaker 3: It in this one center. Line mm. Hmm it's, Like i'm,
[1:58:17] Speaker 3: Sorry i'm From.
[1:58:17] Speaker 1: My friend got botox right there before her. Wedding she
[1:58:21] Speaker 1: just got botox for like the little eleven.
[1:58:23] Speaker 3: Thing that was. Happening you can't say mine BECAUSE i get.
[1:58:27] Speaker 2: BOTOX i THINK i might keep botox for the first. Time,
[1:58:30] Speaker 2: yeah what if they tell me.
[1:58:31] Speaker 1: It's too and it will probably not be that much
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: because you only want it in one little. Spot you
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: don't really need it in the rest of your forehead
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: not gon What. Jesus although it is like it did
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: like sneak up on me THAT i even needed, it
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: and so LIKE i sort of see why sometimes like
[1:58:46] Speaker 1: younger girls do preventative but you you're a, comedian like
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: you don't want. To but my woman gives it to
[1:58:52] Speaker 1: me very, subtly LIKE i tell. Her i'm, LIKE i
[1:58:54] Speaker 1: like talk for a. LIVING i can't have like a frozen,
[1:58:56] Speaker 1: face you, know but that little thing.
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: They could just do that.
[1:59:01] Speaker 2: EASY i THINK i have to look at my face
[1:59:03] Speaker 2: too much to let this.
[1:59:04] Speaker 3: They go from and then they pinch it and they
[1:59:08] Speaker 3: put it.
[1:59:08] Speaker 2: IN i, mean it truly looks like a full, Vagina
[1:59:10] Speaker 2: like WHEN i squeezed my, Forehead it's like so.
[1:59:13] Speaker 3: Crazy, yeah you can make anything look like a. Vagina
[1:59:20] Speaker 3: are we keeping this botox? Chat and we? Are the
[1:59:23] Speaker 3: people need to. KNOW i need to be honest with.
[1:59:25] Speaker 2: EVERYONE i might have to get rid of this line
[1:59:27] Speaker 2: IF i keep having to look at. MYSELF i keep
[1:59:30] Speaker 2: selling these audition tapes and OH i Did Vile.
[1:59:33] Speaker 3: Files if anyone wants to check me, Out oh you.
[1:59:36] Speaker 2: Did and guess, what they Loved Extra, Resurrection SO i
[1:59:39] Speaker 2: got like a real.
[1:59:40] Speaker 3: JUICE i was juiced with file The Vile. Files that's
[1:59:44] Speaker 3: a big. POD i.
[1:59:45] Speaker 2: KNOW i couldn't believe they let me do it from my.
[1:59:47] Speaker 2: Home SO i was just like bralis and. Thrilled and
[1:59:51] Speaker 2: there was like A Salt Lake city power point we went.
[1:59:53] Speaker 3: Through it was like a. Dream oh my, gosh how.
[1:59:56] Speaker 3: Funny they were, shocked BUT i.
[1:59:57] Speaker 2: Said lars And lisa are the most vapid people and housewives,
[2:00:00] Speaker 2: history AND i was like they like everyone, gasped AND
[2:00:04] Speaker 2: i was, like, whatever.
[2:00:06] Speaker 3: How is that?
[2:00:06] Speaker 2: Not how is that shocking to? ANYONE i don't know.
[2:00:09] Speaker 2: That maybe it was like very. Rude maybe it was
[2:00:12] Speaker 2: more rude and Like i'm harsh than they anticipated coming
[2:00:15] Speaker 2: out of my. Mouth LIKE i don't know what it,
[2:00:16] Speaker 2: was but they all seemed, shocked And i'm, like.
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: YEAH i guess like you could just be like they're
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: just like kind of, clueless but you're just like went
[2:00:23] Speaker 1: straight to, vapid which is.
[2:00:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i think THAT i, said like they have
[2:00:27] Speaker 2: their empty, vessels is WHAT i?
[2:00:28] Speaker 3: Said is that rude empty? Vessel? RUDE i can't tell.
[2:00:37] Speaker 2: AMAZING i mean they might hear. IT i, Know i'm
[2:00:40] Speaker 2: those girlies might listen to vile. Files, yeah maybe. Listen
[2:00:45] Speaker 2: that's why they bring me out to say crazy shit.
[2:00:48] Speaker 3: And they foraged you out to say what they're too
[2:00:50] Speaker 3: afraid to.
[2:00:51] Speaker 1: Say but, okay post mortem on this, episode obviously we had.
[2:00:57] Speaker 3: The best were. Excited oh, yeah they.
[2:00:59] Speaker 1: Had A i guess this is a nightmare episode of
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: like fucking.
[2:01:04] Speaker 3: Higher, okay like many Different why AM i, Franchises like.
[2:01:12] Speaker 1: Yes it's like a two four episode art that ping
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: pongs between two, franchises like very crazy.
[2:01:19] Speaker 2: Files of the world and The anger and the thing
[2:01:23] Speaker 2: and the. GUY i JUST i Don't, yeah men need
[2:01:26] Speaker 2: to stop with the, violence like well the CAN.
[2:01:30] Speaker 1: I you probably saw this because this was on your
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: best Friend's instagram this. Morning so she posted this video
[2:01:37] Speaker 1: that was from, TikTok and the TikTok's user's name Is
[2:01:43] Speaker 1: kristen nineteen forty. Two but, uh she had this like
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: amazing point in her video that was like the reason
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: that you don't see women sectioning off into faction of
[2:02:00] Speaker 1: like fringe factions what like you do with, men like
[2:02:04] Speaker 1: with in cells and like the psycho guys that are
[2:02:07] Speaker 1: coding and making a website about murdering. People WHICH i
[2:02:11] Speaker 1: know that this is pretty fictional within the, episode but
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: this is definitely a real life kind of, character like
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: a guy who feels like the world is against him or.
[2:02:18] Speaker 1: Whatever the reason you don't see that with women is
[2:02:21] Speaker 1: like women come together over, actual real, problems like their reproductive,
[2:02:25] Speaker 1: rights domestic, violence like the pay, gap like we. Have
[2:02:27] Speaker 1: women have actual issues and they come together to commiserate
[2:02:32] Speaker 1: and to enact policy change and try to make those
[2:02:34] Speaker 1: things better for. People and a lot of the problems
[2:02:37] Speaker 1: that men have in these groups are perceived, problems like
[2:02:41] Speaker 1: that women won't date. You there's no, pot like she,
[2:02:44] Speaker 1: goes there's no policy that can make women date. You
[2:02:46] Speaker 1: there's no policy that can be enacted to make you
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: get more praise that you think you're deserved or that you're,
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: owed you know WHAT i. Mean AND i was, like
[2:02:54] Speaker 1: that's so, True like there are not ultra fringe groups
[2:02:59] Speaker 1: that really involve women because they women have actual fucking
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: problems and they take steps to fix, them whereas these
[2:03:07] Speaker 1: guys just are like creating their invented problems and making
[2:03:12] Speaker 1: groups so that they can commiserate about their invented.
[2:03:15] Speaker 3: Problems well, yeah AND.
[2:03:19] Speaker 2: I feel Like i've said this, before but women are
[2:03:24] Speaker 2: like what CAN i do? Differently you, know like a
[2:03:26] Speaker 2: lot of self improvement self help for us is like
[2:03:30] Speaker 2: we're always, growing what can we do? Better and dudes are, like,
[2:03:34] Speaker 2: well can't be my, Fault like there's no, OH i
[2:03:37] Speaker 2: should go to.
[2:03:38] Speaker 3: Therapy it's like you should suck my. Dick you. Know
[2:03:41] Speaker 3: it's like kind of.
[2:03:42] Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah it's like it's the problem IS i mean
[2:03:46] Speaker 2: there's women, racists of.
[2:03:47] Speaker 1: Course but it's like the women are, creed but in
[2:03:50] Speaker 1: terms of like forming groups like in cells and, gropers.
[2:03:55] Speaker 3: And they're blaming everyone for their non.
[2:03:57] Speaker 2: Success you, know it's like they don't have it because
[2:03:59] Speaker 2: these people are taking it from. Them then titlement to
[2:04:01] Speaker 2: all of these. Things while women are, LIKE i Guess
[2:04:05] Speaker 2: i'll get a. Cat, yeah it's just like you, said,
[2:04:08] Speaker 2: NO i don't.
[2:04:09] Speaker 3: Know they're just so.
[2:04:10] Speaker 2: Annoying it's so. Crazy it's, like, yeah you're gonna be
[2:04:13] Speaker 2: alone with a, Cat and people are, like all, right
[2:04:15] Speaker 2: we'll be alone with cats and they're, like.
[2:04:17] Speaker 3: What the fuck's? Stop you, know actually you can't be
[2:04:20] Speaker 3: alone with a? Cat oh my. God.
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: Whatever, yeah this, guy the kid character that they ends
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: up being the killer and the creator of the website
[2:04:31] Speaker 1: is like an absolute nightmare and, SADLY i feel like
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: a very real character living in our.
[2:04:36] Speaker 3: Country BUT i was glad That live And.
[2:04:42] Speaker 1: Stabler could team up to get his ass and finally
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: figure out what was going on with that That scrow.
[2:04:49] Speaker 3: Company they were really making me.
[2:04:50] Speaker 1: Laugh the yogurt stealing and just the like are you
[2:04:55] Speaker 1: not coming with us to mccallahans or, Whatever like just
[2:04:58] Speaker 1: funny little office politics. Stuff but, yeah if you know
[2:05:03] Speaker 1: an angry team that's just spending a lot of time,
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: coding just check in on, THEM i. Guess but that's
[2:05:08] Speaker 1: the only TAKEAWAY i can think. Of let's move on
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: to what would Mister Peg? Do this is our weekly
[2:05:13] Speaker 1: segment where we point you towards a way to get
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[2:05:50] Speaker 3: Page that's messed up.
[2:05:51] Speaker 2: Pod hell, yeah way to, go AND i don't want
[2:05:56] Speaker 2: to say the title of next.
[2:05:57] Speaker 3: Week you have to do. It i'm so annoyed with these.
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[2:06:03] Speaker 1: season twenty, five episode.
[2:06:05] Speaker 3: Eleven that's a podcast, first so thanks for getting involved.
[2:06:09] Speaker 3: THERE i don't want. To i'm sick of these little
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