# The truth about net immigration

An episode of [UnHerd with Freddie Sayers](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1540134798), 2 Dec 2025, 32 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5fad6d24bc034454b53fe011/e/692f30b9fb6ea8e378aa9295/media.mp3

UnHerd's Freddie Sayers speaks with migration expert Dr. Madeleine Sumption to dissect the latest ONS figures which reveal a dramatic crash in UK net migration. Is this truly caused by an alarming "exodus of fed-up Brits," as some headlines suggest, or is the surge in people leaving the country, in fact, the long-overdue re-migration of earlier non-EU and EU immigrants—a data-driven truth that fundamentally upends how the media and public understand the entire politics of immigration? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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