# Paul Kingsnorth: How to fight the Machine

An episode of [UnHerd with Freddie Sayers](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1540134798), 29 Sep 2025, 1 h 23 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5fad6d24bc034454b53fe011/e/68da8b0f730cf5a74774a3b5/media.mp3

UnHerd’s Freddie Sayers welcomes Paul Kingsnorth to the UnHerd Club an exclusive interview about his new book Against the Machine. Kingsnorth has spent decades charting the alienation and upheaval brought about by modernity. In this wide-ranging interview he sets out why he sees today’s technological order as inhuman, why AI may be the 'Antichrist', and why he believes the West must be allowed to die. What does it mean to live as a dissident inside the Machine? And what lines must we draw if we are to remain human? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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