# Thomas Chatterton Williams: The centre cannot hold

An episode of [UnHerd with Freddie Sayers](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1540134798), 12 Sep 2025, 46 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5fad6d24bc034454b53fe011/e/68c44355ac97a487df0b5015/media.mp3

In the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing, what does this precarious moment mean for American politics? UnHerd's Freddie Sayers speaks to Thomas Chatterton Williams, author of 'Summer of Our Discontent: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse' about the eerie parallels between 2020 and 2025. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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