# Apologetics Cause REAL Harm.

An episode of [Viced Rhino: The Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1536972599), 6 Mar 2026, 20 min.

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Today, we look at an interview of Frank Turek on The Beat by Allen Parr. In it, he tries to defend genocide. Should we be surprised that someone who defends ancient genocides also defends modern genocide? Probably not. Original Video: https://tinyurl.com/2b5qccwh Sources: 5-year-old and father detained by ICE in Columbia Heights, shaking community: https://tinyurl.com/29fly6s3 Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds: https://tinyurl.com/yuj2ah46 Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's leading experts say: https://tinyurl.com/29dwvzyv All my various links can be found here: http://links.vicedrhino.com This content is CAN credentialed, which means you can report instances of harassment, abuse, or other harm on their hotline at (617) 249-4255, or on their website at creatoraccountabilitynetwork.org Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/viced-rhino-the-podcast--4623273/support. All my various links can be found here: http://links.vicedrhino.com This content is CAN credentialed, which means you can report instances of harassment, abuse, or other harm on their hotline at (617) 249-4255, or on their website at creatoraccountabilitynetwork.org

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[0:23] Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here. Today,
[0:28] Speaker 2: I'm looking at a video put out by The Beat
[0:29] Speaker 2: by Alan Parr titled atheists Say Your God is a
[0:32] Speaker 2: murderer because he kills innocent people in the Bible. I
[0:36] Speaker 2: predict that there are going to be two ways they
[0:37] Speaker 2: get out of this. One will be too will actually
[0:41] Speaker 2: the definition of murderer, because it's not murder if it's
[0:44] Speaker 2: a lawful killing, and when God does it, it is
[0:47] Speaker 2: lawful by definition. The other will be to appeal to utilitarianism.
[0:51] Speaker 2: Those people weren't actually innocent, They did bad things and
[0:55] Speaker 2: had to be stopped. And God is so uncreative that
[0:58] Speaker 2: the only way he can possibly think of stop bad
[1:00] Speaker 2: people from doing bad things is by killing them. So
[1:03] Speaker 2: let's take a look.
[1:12] Speaker 3: You know, how can God claim to be moral when
[1:14] Speaker 3: he kills innocent people in Old Testament. I mean, God
[1:17] Speaker 3: tells us do not murder, and he murders me.
[1:20] Speaker 2: God, damn it Allan, you trick me into watching Frank Turk.
[1:23] Speaker 3: God tells us to be morally upstanding individuals and judges
[1:27] Speaker 3: us whenever we do it. But then we look in
[1:29] Speaker 3: the Old Testament and you know, he's killing entire nations,
[1:32] Speaker 3: and he's telling the nation of Israel to go in
[1:35] Speaker 3: and kill babies and pregnant women, and you know, seemingly,
[1:39] Speaker 3: you know, innocent people.
[1:41] Speaker 2: I think we can guess where this is going by
[1:43] Speaker 2: his use of the word seemingly before innocent, everyone is
[1:46] Speaker 2: sinful and deserving of death, even infants. Therefore, this is
[1:50] Speaker 2: just God meeting out justice.
[1:52] Speaker 3: And then even if the nation as a whole was guilty,
[1:56] Speaker 3: can we really say that every single person in those
[2:00] Speaker 3: in that I mean, like babies haven't done anything wrong.
[2:03] Speaker 3: I mean, every single person in that nation is evil
[2:06] Speaker 3: and deserves to die just because maybe there were some
[2:10] Speaker 3: evil people that did some things. And so I mean,
[2:14] Speaker 3: it seemed like God has kind of contradicting himself.
[2:17] Speaker 2: You know, it occurs to me now that this is
[2:19] Speaker 2: probably why the Christian nationalists in the United States are
[2:22] Speaker 2: largely okay with the demonization of entire groups of people
[2:26] Speaker 2: and the use of that demonization as justification for the
[2:29] Speaker 2: inhumane treatment of immigrants. For decades, they've been listening to
[2:32] Speaker 2: people like Alan Parr and Frank Turk talk about how
[2:35] Speaker 2: the Old Testament genocides were justified because the people were
[2:37] Speaker 2: just being immoral monsters, so that made it okay to
[2:41] Speaker 2: kill all of them, including their babies. So when ice
[2:44] Speaker 2: in prisons children and uses them as bait to kidnap
[2:47] Speaker 2: other members of the family, the people who have been
[2:49] Speaker 2: worshiping a god that they know sometimes commands the killing
[2:52] Speaker 2: of babies, don't that? And I they should have known
[2:55] Speaker 2: better than to be born into such an immoral culture.
[2:58] Speaker 2: It is quite frankly.
[3:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, great question. And again when somebody, when atheist,
[3:04] Speaker 4: asked me this question on a college campus, the question
[3:06] Speaker 4: I'm always going to ask back is by what standard
[3:09] Speaker 4: are you judging God to be wrong?
[3:11] Speaker 2: By the standard that he supposedly holds us to love
[3:15] Speaker 2: your neighbor, love your enemy, and pray for those who
[3:17] Speaker 2: persecute you, turn the other cheek, you know, the stuff
[3:20] Speaker 2: that is supposed to be pretty fundamental to your religion.
[3:23] Speaker 4: Because again, if there's no God, it's just your personal opinion.
[3:27] Speaker 4: You might not like what goes on in the Old Testament,
[3:30] Speaker 4: but it's not objective. It's just in you the subject.
[3:32] Speaker 4: Unless there's a standard beyond us, everything's just a matter
[3:36] Speaker 4: of opinion.
[3:37] Speaker 2: As subjective beings having subjective experiences, I fail to see
[3:41] Speaker 2: why an external objective standard is even something you would want.
[3:45] Speaker 2: Most of us can agree that we want to increase
[3:47] Speaker 2: well being in decrease harm. Genocide increases harm, so it's
[3:50] Speaker 2: bad even when God commands it. But my question is
[3:54] Speaker 2: why would God existing automatically make him the moral standard.
[3:59] Speaker 2: I have yet to hear an explanation for that which
[4:01] Speaker 2: doesn't boil down to might makes right.
[4:03] Speaker 4: But secondly, I would ask the question, can God murder anyone?
[4:08] Speaker 2: No, because God does not exist, But people who believe
[4:12] Speaker 2: that he exists and are convinced that they are doing
[4:14] Speaker 2: his will can have and still do murder people. And
[4:19] Speaker 2: if God did exist, then yes he could, even if
[4:22] Speaker 2: we go with the distinction that you're about to make
[4:23] Speaker 2: about murder being an unlawful killing. Because here's the thing,
[4:27] Speaker 2: I don't know why being the creator automatically means that
[4:30] Speaker 2: his will becomes law. So when he murders a bunch
[4:33] Speaker 2: of children, it is murder because killing children is against
[4:37] Speaker 2: the law, and no one is above the law except
[4:40] Speaker 2: for billionaire oligarchs. Apparently no one should be above the law.
[4:44] Speaker 2: But again, this plays into the Christian nationalism thing. Preach
[4:47] Speaker 2: all the time about how God is above the law
[4:50] Speaker 2: because might makes right, and you pave the way for
[4:52] Speaker 2: billionaires and their pet politicians to be above the law
[4:55] Speaker 2: because they have the might, so they must be right. Besides,
[4:59] Speaker 2: they're willing to pay lips service to your God, and
[5:01] Speaker 2: your God is above the law, so it must be okay.
[5:04] Speaker 4: In other words, when God kills somebody, if he exists
[5:07] Speaker 4: and he created us, when he kills somebody, is that murder?
[5:10] Speaker 2: Yes, As has been adjudicated in many science fiction stories,
[5:14] Speaker 2: if you create a sentient android or something, the fact
[5:18] Speaker 2: that you are the creator of that android does not
[5:21] Speaker 2: give you the right to treat that sentient being as property,
[5:24] Speaker 2: including your right to kill it.
[5:26] Speaker 5: Now. Sooner or later, this man or others like him
[5:28] Speaker 5: will succeed in replicating Commander data. Now, the decision you
[5:32] Speaker 5: reach here today will determine how we will regard this
[5:36] Speaker 5: creation of our genius? Are you prepared to condemn him
[5:39] Speaker 5: and all who come after him to servitude and slavery?
[5:44] Speaker 5: Here on a staffeet was founded to seek out new life. Well,
[5:48] Speaker 5: there it sits?
[5:50] Speaker 2: And what are human beings if not sentient? Meet androids?
[5:54] Speaker 4: And the answers no, why? Because God is the creator
[5:57] Speaker 4: of life and he's the only one that can resurrect it.
[6:00] Speaker 2: And if that is true, I failed to see why
[6:02] Speaker 2: that automatically gives him the right to kill us. Christians
[6:05] Speaker 2: will often say that our lives are a gift from God,
[6:08] Speaker 2: so treat this as any other gift. If I give
[6:11] Speaker 2: a remote controlled car to my kid for their birthday,
[6:13] Speaker 2: just the fact that I gave it to them give
[6:15] Speaker 2: me the right to smash it to pieces at my whim.
[6:18] Speaker 2: Of course not. That is not how gifts work. So
[6:21] Speaker 2: saying that God gave us life, therefore he can take
[6:24] Speaker 2: it away is to fail to understand what a gift is.
[6:28] Speaker 4: Look, if Christianity's true, and it is, then then when
[6:35] Speaker 4: people die, they don't really die, they just change location.
[6:38] Speaker 2: I'm not going to play it, but I have watched
[6:40] Speaker 2: the talk that Turret gave at Charlie Kirk's memorial, He
[6:43] Speaker 2: was brought to tears while describing how he and everyone
[6:47] Speaker 2: in the vehicle that took Kirk to the hospital did
[6:49] Speaker 2: everything they could to keep him alive. If you really
[6:52] Speaker 2: believed that, Frank, then why would you be brought to
[6:55] Speaker 2: tears by the death of your friend? Should you not
[6:57] Speaker 2: be elated by the idea that your loved one is
[6:59] Speaker 2: now free from all suffering and enjoying eternal paradise. Now,
[7:03] Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay Frank's experience.
[7:06] Speaker 2: It has got to be hella traumatic to witness the
[7:08] Speaker 2: violent death of a close friend. But when it was
[7:11] Speaker 2: clear that he was dying, why would you even try
[7:14] Speaker 2: to bring him back if you actually believe that he's
[7:16] Speaker 2: going to paradise.
[7:17] Speaker 4: Now, they go from this life into the next life,
[7:22] Speaker 4: and it's up to God when that happens.
[7:25] Speaker 3: Right.
[7:25] Speaker 2: If you want to believe that when it comes to
[7:27] Speaker 2: natural death, then fine, I guess go for it. But
[7:30] Speaker 2: we're talking about armies ransacking cities and killing everyone in
[7:33] Speaker 2: the city for the crime of having lived in that city.
[7:37] Speaker 2: We're talking about human beings performing actions to kill other
[7:41] Speaker 2: human beings.
[7:43] Speaker 4: God can take us out at eighty two or two,
[7:47] Speaker 4: it's up to him.
[7:48] Speaker 2: If you actually believe that, then that means that every
[7:51] Speaker 2: time someone is violently killed, that is God ending that
[7:54] Speaker 2: person's life, not the murderer. So should we even punish murderers?
[7:58] Speaker 2: Should we set Charlie Kirk's murderer free since that was
[8:01] Speaker 2: the time that God decided to take him out? As
[8:04] Speaker 2: Frank so delicately put it, can we really blame the
[8:06] Speaker 2: guy who pulled the trigger when God was the one
[8:09] Speaker 2: who determined that to be the time for Kirk's life
[8:11] Speaker 2: to end because.
[8:13] Speaker 4: He's the creator of life, and he's the sustainer of life,
[8:15] Speaker 4: and he's the only one that can resurrect life. So
[8:18] Speaker 4: what might be immoral for us because we're not God,
[8:20] Speaker 4: is not immoral for God.
[8:22] Speaker 2: But if it is God that is determining when everyone dies,
[8:25] Speaker 2: then can a human really be said to be a
[8:27] Speaker 2: murderer when they kill someone? Are they not just doing
[8:30] Speaker 2: God's will no matter who they kill? And given how
[8:33] Speaker 2: far into fascism in the United States has slid, with
[8:35] Speaker 2: Christian nationalism pushing them down the hill, can you not
[8:38] Speaker 2: see how dangerous this line of thinking is?
[8:41] Speaker 4: In fact, God kills if God exists, God, and he
[8:45] Speaker 4: sustains all life. He kills all of us at some point,
[8:48] Speaker 4: right he pulls his hand away from us. Is that
[8:51] Speaker 4: murder for him? No, it's just the natural transition that
[8:55] Speaker 4: we all take from this life to the next life.
[8:58] Speaker 2: Free all the murderers from prison. I just heard Frank say.
[9:01] Speaker 4: Now the questions about the say the Canaanite killings in
[9:04] Speaker 4: the Old Testament. The other question we need to ask
[9:07] Speaker 4: is when God decided that the Canaanites needed to be
[9:12] Speaker 4: driven from the land. Was that arbitrary or did he
[9:15] Speaker 4: have reasons for that?
[9:16] Speaker 2: Well, here comes the appeal to utilitarian ethics. Worth mentioning, though,
[9:20] Speaker 2: is that murderers have reasons for the murders that they commit.
[9:24] Speaker 2: Having a reason for murdering someone doesn't make the murder
[9:28] Speaker 2: not murder.
[9:29] Speaker 4: Well, if you read the text, he had reasons. Right,
[9:31] Speaker 4: there were four hundred years of iniquity from the Canaanites
[9:34] Speaker 4: that was not complete until that time.
[9:37] Speaker 2: Well, it seems that Frank is okay with children being
[9:40] Speaker 2: punished for the crimes of their distant ancestors going back centuries.
[9:43] Speaker 2: So I guess we can put him down as a
[9:45] Speaker 2: yes on the issue of reparations for slavery.
[9:48] Speaker 4: And the Canaanites were not only involved in all sorts
[9:50] Speaker 4: of evil sexual practices.
[9:52] Speaker 2: I'd just like to take a moment to point out
[9:54] Speaker 2: that Turk is a Trump supporter and undoubtedly would defend
[9:58] Speaker 2: Trump against the accusations of the evil sexual practices that
[10:01] Speaker 2: he has engaged in. So when he says that the
[10:04] Speaker 2: Canaanite babies deserve to die because their parents did things
[10:07] Speaker 2: like bestiality, remember that he is actively protecting someone whose
[10:11] Speaker 2: sexual exploitation of children is well evidenced. I don't think
[10:15] Speaker 2: we really need to listen to Frank's opinions on what
[10:17] Speaker 2: counts as evil sexual practices given who he PW's around with.
[10:21] Speaker 4: They were also involved in literally sacrificing their children to Molek.
[10:26] Speaker 2: This is by far the stupidest defense of the Canaanite
[10:31] Speaker 2: genocides that I have ever heard. They were killing some
[10:34] Speaker 2: of their children, and that is such an evil thing
[10:37] Speaker 2: that now it becomes acceptable for the Israelites to kill
[10:40] Speaker 2: all of their children. Won't someone protect the children by
[10:44] Speaker 2: murdering all the children? Is a hell of a take.
[10:47] Speaker 4: Now, this was going on to the point that even
[10:50] Speaker 4: Solomon got involved with this that Solomon and some of
[10:53] Speaker 4: the kings of Israel began sacrificing their children to Molek.
[10:57] Speaker 4: You can read Leviticus eighteen. It's in there.
[10:59] Speaker 2: Huh. Turns out the Israelites were just as bad as
[11:02] Speaker 2: the Canadites and so should have been exterminated along with them,
[11:05] Speaker 2: at least according to the logic you've employed thus far.
[11:08] Speaker 2: I wonder why they'll get a special exception. Is it
[11:10] Speaker 2: because they're God's favorite race of people? It's because they
[11:13] Speaker 2: were God's favorite race of people, isn't it.
[11:16] Speaker 4: Now On every college campus I go to alan, I
[11:20] Speaker 4: hear an atheist get up and say, well, if there
[11:22] Speaker 4: is a good God, why doesn't he stop all the.
[11:24] Speaker 2: Evil in the world, or, more to the point, why
[11:27] Speaker 2: did he create evil in the first place, as the
[11:29] Speaker 2: Bible explicitly says that he did.
[11:32] Speaker 4: Well, here's a case in the Old Testament where God
[11:34] Speaker 4: sees the evil and he says, I'm gonna stop it.
[11:37] Speaker 4: And now the atheists are complaining.
[11:39] Speaker 2: Yes, because the manner in which he stopped it was
[11:42] Speaker 2: more evil than the evil that was supposedly stopped. There
[11:46] Speaker 2: is a lot of evil happening in the United States
[11:48] Speaker 2: right now, and a lot of it would be stopped
[11:50] Speaker 2: if Washington, d c. Were just nuked off the map
[11:52] Speaker 2: when enough key people were there. Does that mean that
[11:55] Speaker 2: a country with nukes should go ahead and do that?
[11:58] Speaker 2: Would you support that Frank? Frank is on the evil
[12:01] Speaker 2: side in this analogy, and he likely supports the genocide
[12:03] Speaker 2: that's happening in Gaza right now. And with a quick
[12:06] Speaker 2: search of his channel, I find that he equates protesting
[12:08] Speaker 2: against the genocide of Palestinians with support for Hamas.
[12:11] Speaker 4: There are people on college campuses that are actually supporting
[12:16] Speaker 4: the New Nazi Party. Has anyone in here read the
[12:20] Speaker 4: Hamas Charter?
[12:21] Speaker 2: So yes, he supports genocide, and yes it is a genocide.
[12:26] Speaker 2: This is not me using hyperbolic language to make Frank
[12:28] Speaker 2: look bad. This is the conclusion arrived at by institutions
[12:31] Speaker 2: like the United Nations and the International Association of Genocide Scholars.
[12:35] Speaker 2: He equates Palestinian with Hamas for the same reason that
[12:38] Speaker 2: he brings up child sacrifice when defending the Canaanite genocides.
[12:42] Speaker 2: He has to demonize an entire group of people in
[12:45] Speaker 2: order to justify the killing of children. So once again,
[12:48] Speaker 2: we have Christians who are alive today justifying current heinous
[12:52] Speaker 2: atrocities being committed against groups of people using the same
[12:56] Speaker 2: reasoning that they use to justify the Old Testament atrocities
[12:58] Speaker 2: of God. And this is the real world harm of apologetics.
[13:02] Speaker 2: If they were just out there saving souls for Christ,
[13:04] Speaker 2: then fine, go for it. But when we see you
[13:07] Speaker 2: running defense for the atrocities of the past, nobody should
[13:10] Speaker 2: be surprised that you're also willing to run defense for
[13:12] Speaker 2: the atrocities of the present.
[13:14] Speaker 4: He's stopping it. Well, wait a minute, you wanted to
[13:18] Speaker 4: stop it.
[13:19] Speaker 2: Or not not? Given how despicable his methods are, you'd
[13:22] Speaker 2: think an all powerful God could come up with a
[13:24] Speaker 2: better solution than kill them all to stop them from
[13:27] Speaker 2: doing bad things.
[13:29] Speaker 4: Okay, But then they're going to say, well, look, he
[13:31] Speaker 4: may go on too far. He started killing the children,
[13:33] Speaker 4: as you mentioned. Now there are two views on this,
[13:36] Speaker 4: and I know his answer is going on a long time.
[13:39] Speaker 3: This is good.
[13:40] Speaker 2: It really isn't a complicated issue. Though killing children is immoral,
[13:45] Speaker 2: end of story. By whose standards any decent human being standards?
[13:49] Speaker 2: Frank is not a decent human being? By whose standard
[13:52] Speaker 2: do I make that assessment? Mine? And mine is a
[13:55] Speaker 2: better standard than Frank's because I don't have to defend
[13:57] Speaker 2: the murdering of children as part of my standard.
[14:00] Speaker 4: Okay, there's two answers, or there's two ways of looking
[14:03] Speaker 4: at the text. One way is the way that Paul
[14:07] Speaker 4: Copan looks at it. I don't know if you can
[14:09] Speaker 4: see this book. This is a book called is God
[14:11] Speaker 4: a Moral Monster? Making sense of the Old Testament God.
[14:14] Speaker 4: Paul Copan is the author, a brilliant guy who teaches
[14:18] Speaker 4: down at Palm Beach, Atlantic, And what Copan has noticed
[14:21] Speaker 4: in the text, Allen, is that if you go to
[14:25] Speaker 4: say Deuteronomy seven, it'll say something like this, Okay, Israel
[14:29] Speaker 4: wipe all these evil people out, kill them all, and
[14:33] Speaker 4: then the next verse it'll say, and then don't ter
[14:36] Speaker 4: marry with them.
[14:38] Speaker 2: Okay. So there's a contradiction in the Bible, great especially
[14:42] Speaker 2: coming from someone like Frank who argues for the nerrancy
[14:45] Speaker 2: of scripture, and it's a contradiction that shows a condemnation
[14:48] Speaker 2: of interracial marriage. To boot, I don't think that makes
[14:50] Speaker 2: your book look better, Frank. But also this is largely irrelevant.
[14:54] Speaker 2: This gets to the idea that the accounts of the
[14:56] Speaker 2: conquest of the Holy Land are exaggerated. They don't literally
[15:00] Speaker 2: wipe everyone out. That's just the exaggerated language that they
[15:03] Speaker 2: used to describe it. Okay, but that still leaves us
[15:06] Speaker 2: with problematic passages like the one found in for Samuel fifteen.
[15:09] Speaker 2: In this passage, God commands Saul to attack Amlek and
[15:13] Speaker 2: says not to spare them. Kill both man and woman,
[15:15] Speaker 2: child in infant oxen, sheep, camel, and donkey. Maybe this
[15:19] Speaker 2: is exaggeration again, but you can't tell me that no
[15:22] Speaker 2: children were killed by the army when this was the
[15:24] Speaker 2: order they were given. More to the point, though, is
[15:26] Speaker 2: that they did not kill quite everyone. They kept the
[15:29] Speaker 2: king alive. The rest of the people were devoted to
[15:32] Speaker 2: destruction with the edge of the sword. But the king
[15:34] Speaker 2: they kept alive as a hostage. Why is this important?
[15:37] Speaker 2: Could that not be exaggeration as well? Possibly, But ultimately
[15:42] Speaker 2: it is the fact that Saul allowed any of them
[15:44] Speaker 2: to live that caused God to regret making Saul king
[15:48] Speaker 2: because he did not follow his command to completely kill
[15:50] Speaker 2: everyone and everything. So here we don't just have a thoroughgenocide,
[15:55] Speaker 2: but we find that leaving one single person alive was
[15:58] Speaker 2: enough to incur God's wrath for disobedience, and this is
[16:01] Speaker 2: the event that paved the way for David to become king.
[16:04] Speaker 2: If Saul had killed everyone as God commanded, then God
[16:07] Speaker 2: would not have removed Saul from power and given the
[16:10] Speaker 2: throne to David. All in all, this is one of
[16:12] Speaker 2: the most pivotal moments in the Bible, and it's one
[16:16] Speaker 2: that most Christians aren't even aware of because it shows
[16:18] Speaker 2: God to be the bloodthirsty, baby killing monster that he
[16:21] Speaker 2: is or would be if he were real.
[16:24] Speaker 4: So that's the argument. Cokepan makes the argument that Clay
[16:27] Speaker 4: Jones from Biola makes. He says, no, these were literal commands,
[16:30] Speaker 4: but it was not genocide. It was judgment.
[16:33] Speaker 2: So we're once again out a place where this is
[16:35] Speaker 2: either going to be might makes right. It's okay to
[16:37] Speaker 2: kill babies when God says so, because everything God says
[16:39] Speaker 2: is good, or the appeal to utilitarian ethics, the people
[16:42] Speaker 2: were so bad that wiping them out was on balance,
[16:45] Speaker 2: a greater good.
[16:47] Speaker 4: And God had the right to take people out anytime
[16:50] Speaker 4: he wants, based on the evil they've done. And he says,
[16:53] Speaker 4: what were the Israelites supposed to do with the children
[16:56] Speaker 4: if he tried to bring that if they tried to
[16:58] Speaker 4: bring the children up, the children to grow up going hey,
[17:02] Speaker 4: you killed my parents, now I'm going to kill you.
[17:05] Speaker 2: Did it not occur to God that maybe they didn't
[17:08] Speaker 2: have to kill all of the parents, just the combatants.
[17:11] Speaker 2: And even in this case, is that actually what every
[17:13] Speaker 2: single one of those children would do? That seems to
[17:16] Speaker 2: be a rather broad brush that you're painting with there, Frank.
[17:19] Speaker 4: Or they're going to try and go back to their
[17:21] Speaker 4: old practices, which were all of these evil things they
[17:24] Speaker 4: were doing.
[17:25] Speaker 2: Does Frank think that evil rituals are a genetic trait?
[17:29] Speaker 2: How would they even know of such rituals if they
[17:31] Speaker 2: were raised by the Israelites and were treated as their
[17:33] Speaker 2: own children. Now, don't get me wrong, wiping out a
[17:36] Speaker 2: culture by taking their children and isolating them from it
[17:38] Speaker 2: is also genocide. But if we're ranking the types of genocide,
[17:42] Speaker 2: I'd say the one where you kill all the children
[17:44] Speaker 2: is worse than the one where you isolate the children
[17:46] Speaker 2: from their culture. They're both really, really bad, though, and
[17:49] Speaker 2: Frank is a bad person for defending them.
[17:52] Speaker 4: So that's the argument that Clay Jones makes. The Bottom
[17:55] Speaker 4: line to the whole thing, though, is this God has
[17:58] Speaker 4: the right to move people into the next life whenever
[18:02] Speaker 4: he wants.
[18:03] Speaker 2: The bottom line is that Frank is a piece of
[18:05] Speaker 2: who defends genocide's past and present. Well, it's a bit
[18:08] Speaker 2: of a spicy one today, but it is important to
[18:10] Speaker 2: understand the connection between bad beliefs and bad actions. If
[18:14] Speaker 2: a core part of your worldview involves making excuses for
[18:17] Speaker 2: heinous atrocities and explaining why they were justified, then is
[18:21] Speaker 2: it really a very big leap to similar atrocities can
[18:24] Speaker 2: be justified today and we're seeing a lot of people
[18:27] Speaker 2: make that jump. Today's common to the day comes to
[18:30] Speaker 2: us from OUTUS eighty nine, who says, weist you are
[18:33] Speaker 2: wiser and more powerful than the God of the Bible.
[18:35] Speaker 2: Kind of a fastest turtle situation, but still thanks, I
[18:41] Speaker 2: think thanks for watching. I'll be back next Friday with more,
[18:44] Speaker 2: but if you need to get your rinofix in before
[18:45] Speaker 2: then My life stream with service every Wednesday eight thirty
[18:47] Speaker 2: Eastern on my other channel, The Watering Hole, and I
[18:49] Speaker 2: periodically publish shorts on my other channel, Vice Rhino Shortz.
[18:52] Speaker 2: Thanks to Piper for being my editor, and special thanks
[18:54] Speaker 2: is always to my patrons who are the defense of
[18:56] Speaker 2: the atrocities that are my channel. If you'd like to
[18:59] Speaker 2: lead directly to Christian nationalism, you can join us on
[19:01] Speaker 2: Patreon for the little as a dollar per week over
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[19:05] Speaker 2: the channel and one of the other methods that can
[19:07] Speaker 2: be found at link stop viceroyon dot com, which is
[19:09] Speaker 2: also where you'll find links for my other projects. If
[19:11] Speaker 2: for whatever reason you want to send me stuff, my
[19:12] Speaker 2: PO box addresses in the description. See you next time. Well,
[19:43] Speaker 2: hopefully we don't need the backup recording because I only
[19:47] Speaker 2: just started up

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