# The Perfect Soap Contains Cow Dung?

An episode of [Viced Rhino: The Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1536972599), 23 Oct 2026, 31 min.

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Kyle Butt of World Video Bible School explains some scientific truths that can be found in the bible. Which includes turning a cow and its poop into soap. Cards: Mike Winger Can't Even Answer BAD Arguments 🤦♂️: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY519MLYG7Y Original Video: https://tinyurl.com/23aa9go3 Sources: Status of Global Christianity, 2024, in the Context of 1900–2050: https://tinyurl.com/2bwy8kua Composition of the Torah: https://tinyurl.com/2ccp2yhz Gittin 68b & 69a: https://tinyurl.com/29rgcmh4 Ancient Egyptian Medicine: The Papyrus Ebers: https://tinyurl.com/2xn6wn5z Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/viced-rhino-the-podcast--4623273/support. All my various links can be found here: http://links.vicedrhino.com This content is CAN credentialed, which means you can report instances of harassment, abuse, or other harm on their hotline at (617) 249-4255, or on their website at creatoraccountabilitynetwork.org

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[0:23] Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to my channel. Viced Rhino here. Today,
[0:28] Speaker 2: I'm looking at a video from the World Video Bible
[0:30] Speaker 2: School's Out With Doubt series, in which a man who
[0:33] Speaker 2: I never tire of making the butt of a joke,
[0:35] Speaker 2: Kyle Butt, explains to us how he knows that the
[0:37] Speaker 2: Bible is God's word. I can't really see how such
[0:40] Speaker 2: an effort could be successful given how many problems the
[0:43] Speaker 2: Bible has, but I'm nothing if not persistent. So I
[0:46] Speaker 2: will take a look and see what's up the butt. OK,
[0:49] Speaker 2: that one was strained. I was pushing too hard. Let's go.
[0:59] Speaker 3: Since 1947, the United Bible Society has passed out over
[1:03] Speaker 3: 9 billion Bibles. The Bible is the number one best-selling
[1:07] Speaker 3: book in the United States of America every single month
[1:09] Speaker 3: of every single year. It brings in over $ 200 million
[1:14] Speaker 3: every year.
[1:15] Speaker 2: You'd think that $ 200 million a year would be sufficient
[1:18] Speaker 2: to cover operating costs for churches so that they wouldn't
[1:20] Speaker 2: have to coerce their members to give 10% of their income.
[1:22] Speaker 2: According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity,
[1:24] Speaker 2: there are approximately 4.2 million Christian congregations worldwide. If the
[1:29] Speaker 2: revenue from Bible sales were split evenly between them, they
[1:31] Speaker 2: would each have over $ 47 million of revenue per year.
[1:36] Speaker 2: I know it's generally not churches that are publishing Bibles,
[1:38] Speaker 2: but it does seem odd to me that the Bible
[1:40] Speaker 2: publishers are hoarding that money for themselves instead of spreading
[1:43] Speaker 2: it around to the churches.
[1:45] Speaker 3: The Bible has been translated into over 2,150 different languages,
[1:52] Speaker 3: at least in part of it has. It's gone out
[1:54] Speaker 3: into over 150 different countries.
[1:55] Speaker 1: Well.
[1:58] Speaker 2: You know, I'd expect that if this actually were the
[2:02] Speaker 2: word of God and this God wanted his word to
[2:04] Speaker 2: be accessible to everyone, then it would have been translated
[2:07] Speaker 2: into all languages and gone into all countries pretty much
[2:10] Speaker 2: immediately using God's miracle powers. But I guess the Native
[2:14] Speaker 2: Americans had to wait nearly 1,500 years for Europe to
[2:17] Speaker 2: bring them the good news because God either didn't want
[2:19] Speaker 2: to or was unable to.
[2:21] Speaker 3: The Bible is the worldwide bestseller every single year. It
[2:26] Speaker 3: was the first book in book form to be printed
[2:29] Speaker 3: on Gutenberg's printing press. The Bible, if you were to
[2:33] Speaker 3: ask the United States population, 92% or more own a Bible.
[2:38] Speaker 2: This is just an argument from popularity. Thing is popular,
[2:41] Speaker 2: therefore it must be correct. Except I would argue that
[2:44] Speaker 2: it's nowhere near as popular as the numbers make it
[2:46] Speaker 2: out to be. Like, how many Bibles are there sitting
[2:48] Speaker 2: completely undisturbed in hotel room drawers? How many are bought
[2:52] Speaker 2: but never read? Hell, I went to a craft market
[2:54] Speaker 2: last week where there was a woman selling decorative vampire
[2:57] Speaker 2: slaying kits that included a beaten up Bible, a stake,
[2:59] Speaker 2: and a crucifix all arranged in a shadow box frame.
[3:02] Speaker 2: She buys Bibles literally to beat them up and then
[3:05] Speaker 2: sell them as decoration. And with billions of Christians worldwide,
[3:08] Speaker 2: each of whom is encouraged to have their own Bibles,
[3:11] Speaker 2: on top of most churches having a large supply available
[3:13] Speaker 2: for their congregation to use during services, I'm actually surprised
[3:16] Speaker 2: that their sales numbers are as low as they are.
[3:19] Speaker 3: Many of them own four or more different kinds of Bibles.
[3:23] Speaker 2: Right. Like I said, billions of Christians, many of whom
[3:26] Speaker 2: own multiple Bibles. And I own more Bibles now than
[3:30] Speaker 2: I ever did as a Christian, not to mention all
[3:32] Speaker 2: of the apologetics books I also own. If it were
[3:34] Speaker 2: popular because it was a good book that people love
[3:36] Speaker 2: to read, then maybe this could be part of the
[3:39] Speaker 2: case for it being the word of God. But the
[3:41] Speaker 2: closest most Christians get to actually reading their Bibles is
[3:44] Speaker 2: out-of-context snippets gleaned from sermons and daily devotionals.
[3:47] Speaker 3: If I were to ask you, can you show me
[3:49] Speaker 3: several translations of the Bible? You could show me an NIV,
[3:53] Speaker 3: a New American Standard, a Revised Standard, an American Standard,
[3:56] Speaker 3: a King James, a New King James, an English Standard.
[3:59] Speaker 3: Keep going down the list.
[4:01] Speaker 2: And you think that's a point in your favor? There's
[4:03] Speaker 2: so much ambiguity in the translation process that there are
[4:06] Speaker 2: dozens of versions of the inerrant Word of God. many
[4:09] Speaker 2: of which have rather significant differences that stem from the
[4:11] Speaker 2: translation processes. Therefore, it's the Word of God.
[4:17] Speaker 3: Why is the Bible so popular? Why do so many
[4:22] Speaker 3: people buy the Bible? Why do so many people get
[4:26] Speaker 3: the Bible into their homes? Why do Gideons produce so
[4:29] Speaker 3: many Bibles and put them in drawers at hotels and motels?
[4:33] Speaker 3: Why is the Bible so popular?
[4:36] Speaker 2: Because it's the holy book of the world's largest religion.
[4:39] Speaker 2: That's not a mystery.
[4:41] Speaker 3: There's a very simple answer. The people who are reading
[4:45] Speaker 3: it and producing it think that God wrote it.
[4:48] Speaker 2: Not entirely true. There are plenty of secular companies that
[4:51] Speaker 2: publish Bibles, because, as you pointed out, selling Bibles is
[4:55] Speaker 2: apparently a $ 200 million a year industry. So there are
[4:58] Speaker 2: companies like HarperCollins, which owns Zondervan, the company that publishes
[5:02] Speaker 2: the NIV Bible. HarperCollins also publishes a study Quran. So
[5:06] Speaker 2: I feel like their motivation for publishing Bibles is less
[5:09] Speaker 2: that they think it's the word of God, and more
[5:11] Speaker 2: that they know Christians will buy them in droves.
[5:14] Speaker 3: I was talking to a group of teenagers about the
[5:17] Speaker 3: inspiration of the Bible.
[5:19] Speaker 2: Oh, yay. It's time for Totally True Stories. That really
[5:23] Speaker 2: super-duper happened, I swear. And I asked them a very
[5:26] Speaker 2: simple question that I just asked you. Can you prove
[5:30] Speaker 2: your belief that the.
[5:32] Speaker 3: Bible is the inspired Word of God?
[5:34] Speaker 2: No, you can't, because there are too many mistakes in
[5:36] Speaker 2: it for it to be perfect, and we would expect
[5:38] Speaker 2: a perfect book from the Almighty God that you believe in.
[5:42] Speaker 3: But for that initial question... How can you prove the
[5:46] Speaker 3: Bible is God's Word? One young man who was about 16,
[5:49] Speaker 3: it looked like, raised his hand. He said, I can
[5:52] Speaker 3: prove the Bible's God's Word. I said, great, how would
[5:55] Speaker 3: you do that? He said, well, the Bible says it is.
[5:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna call heifer shit on this one. The
[6:02] Speaker 2: reason I'm not using the phrase bullshit comes up later
[6:04] Speaker 2: in this video, so keep watching. Engagement bait. No, not engagement.
[6:07] Speaker 2: Watch time bait. Anyway, I'm calling half shit on this one.
[6:11] Speaker 2: That's one of those things that I actually wish atheists
[6:13] Speaker 2: would stop saying, because, well, there is some truth to
[6:15] Speaker 2: that being the logical path that a lot of people
[6:17] Speaker 2: take to believing in scriptural inerrancy. It is something that
[6:20] Speaker 2: I have never actually heard anyone say in all of
[6:22] Speaker 2: my years, either as a Christian or an atheist.
[6:26] Speaker 3: Now, that's true. The Bible does say it's God's word.
[6:31] Speaker 3: The Bible claims to be from God.
[6:35] Speaker 2: Really, that depends on how you're looking at it. Certainly
[6:37] Speaker 2: there is that verse saying that all scripture is God-breathed,
[6:40] Speaker 2: but if you take the evangelical approach, which I'm sure
[6:42] Speaker 2: Kyle does, that would have been written around 60 CE,
[6:45] Speaker 2: decades before several of the other New Testament books were written,
[6:49] Speaker 2: meaning that not all scripture existed when scripture said that
[6:52] Speaker 2: scripture was God-breathed. Now certainly God could have sent that
[6:55] Speaker 2: message early and it would still apply, but it seems
[6:57] Speaker 2: more reasonable to me that such a statement would either
[6:59] Speaker 2: be in the first book to have been written, or
[7:01] Speaker 2: the last. Putting it in the middle just seems awkward.
[7:05] Speaker 3: Do you know how many times the Bible claims to
[7:06] Speaker 3: be inspired? If you were to start in the book
[7:09] Speaker 3: of Genesis and go all the way through the 66
[7:13] Speaker 3: books to Revelation, you would understand that in those 66 books,
[7:19] Speaker 3: the Bible claims to be inspired over 2,700 times.
[7:25] Speaker 2: I think he's got a really loose definition of what
[7:28] Speaker 2: counts as the Bible claiming to be inspired, as in
[7:31] Speaker 2: my 1600 page ESV Bible, that would mean that it
[7:34] Speaker 2: says it 1.6 times per page. The only way I
[7:37] Speaker 2: can see it getting to that high of a number
[7:39] Speaker 2: is if you take every single instance of it saying
[7:41] Speaker 2: something like the Lord spoke. pointing to it and saying, see, see,
[7:45] Speaker 2: the Lord spoke and the words that it says he
[7:47] Speaker 2: spoke are written down after it said that. So this
[7:49] Speaker 2: is the Bible saying that the Bible is the word
[7:51] Speaker 2: of God. But using that same logic, the Bible also
[7:54] Speaker 2: says that it's the word of Moses or the word
[7:57] Speaker 2: of Pharaoh or hell, even Satan has some lines. So
[8:01] Speaker 2: I guess the Bible says that the Bible is the
[8:02] Speaker 2: word of Satan. Though caveat on that last one, the
[8:05] Speaker 2: Satan of Job and the serpent of Genesis were not
[8:07] Speaker 2: what Christians think of as Satan today. The serpent was
[8:10] Speaker 2: just a serpent, and Satan was a member of God's
[8:12] Speaker 2: heavenly court in Job. But Christians today believe both characters
[8:15] Speaker 2: to be Satan, the being of ultimate evil. So I
[8:18] Speaker 2: treated them as such for my purposes here. Point is,
[8:21] Speaker 2: a story that includes character X said Y is not
[8:24] Speaker 2: intrinsically claiming to be entirely written by the character that
[8:27] Speaker 2: said Y.
[8:29] Speaker 3: Many Bibles have about 1,300, 1,350 pages. Whoever wrote the
[8:31] Speaker 3: Bible wanted you to think and wanted you to know
[8:40] Speaker 3: that it claims to be inspired almost two times per
[8:44] Speaker 3: page in the average Bible.
[8:46] Speaker 2: Or, alternatively, the main character of the book, and one
[8:49] Speaker 2: of the only characters that actually shows up in nearly
[8:51] Speaker 2: every part of the Bible, gets more speaking lines than
[8:54] Speaker 2: the other characters, and so the Bible says that he
[8:56] Speaker 2: says things quite often.
[8:58] Speaker 3: But what does that prove?
[9:00] Speaker 2: F * * * all.
[9:03] Speaker 3: Suppose I stood up here this day and I said,
[9:06] Speaker 3: My name is Kyle Butt. and I'm the President of
[9:09] Speaker 3: the United States of America. Kyle Butt is my name,
[9:13] Speaker 3: and the President of the United States of America I am.
[9:17] Speaker 3: There is one President of the United States of America,
[9:20] Speaker 3: and it happens to be me, Robert Kyle Butt.
[9:23] Speaker 2: Your first name is Robert?
[9:25] Speaker 3: Bobby Butt?
[9:26] Speaker 2: How am I just finding out about this now? That
[9:28] Speaker 2: is hilarious. Only way it could be better is if
[9:30] Speaker 2: it were Harold or Seymour or something. And yes, that
[9:33] Speaker 2: is entirely the reason why I didn't skip his ridiculous
[9:35] Speaker 2: I am the president routine that he is putting on
[9:38] Speaker 2: because he apparently thinks his audience is incapable of grasping
[9:40] Speaker 2: the idea of untrue statements are possible. I'll skip the
[9:44] Speaker 2: rest of it for you, and I'll actually skip more
[9:46] Speaker 2: than that. I want to get to his actual proof
[9:48] Speaker 2: at some point, and he is spending a lot of
[9:50] Speaker 2: time just like listing other books that claim to be
[9:52] Speaker 2: inspired by various gods, which I guess I can give
[9:55] Speaker 2: him a rhino point for that, given how many times
[9:57] Speaker 2: I've seen apologists claim that the Bible is the only
[9:59] Speaker 2: book to claim to be the word of God. But
[10:01] Speaker 2: it's kind of sad that we're at a point where
[10:03] Speaker 2: seeing an apologist acknowledge reality is something that they get
[10:06] Speaker 2: kudos for. Especially given that Bobby Butt here also denies evolution,
[10:10] Speaker 2: so his one rhino point brings his total up to
[10:12] Speaker 2: negative 1138. Understand this, friends. God has never.
[10:19] Speaker 3: Asked us to believe in anything without adequate evidence.
[10:26] Speaker 2: Hebrews 11.1, Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for,
[10:30] Speaker 2: the convictions of things not seen. In other words, faith
[10:33] Speaker 2: is believing in things without evidence of those things. Biblical
[10:37] Speaker 2: faith is not believing something you cannot prove. It's not
[10:41] Speaker 2: believing something that you know is not true. Biblical faith
[10:45] Speaker 2: is believing what you have the evidence to prove. It
[10:50] Speaker 2: really is weird how so many of these discussions about
[10:53] Speaker 2: how faith is not believing things without evidence neglect to
[10:56] Speaker 2: use the definition of faith that is found in the Bible.
[10:59] Speaker 2: You'd think the definition from the perfect Word of God
[11:01] Speaker 2: would be good enough for them, but I guess not.
[11:04] Speaker 3: When God sent Jesus to this earth, did He ask
[11:08] Speaker 3: people to believe that Jesus was His Son without evidence?
[11:11] Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
[11:13] Speaker 2: John 20, 29. Jesus said to him, Have you believed
[11:16] Speaker 2: because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have
[11:18] Speaker 2: not seen and yet have believed. You know, for someone
[11:21] Speaker 2: who claims to believe that the Bible is the inerrant
[11:23] Speaker 2: word of God, you sure don't seem to be terribly
[11:26] Speaker 2: familiar with its contents.
[11:28] Speaker 3: God gave Jesus every ounce of proof that any reasonable
[11:31] Speaker 3: person could need to know he was from God. And
[11:35] Speaker 3: God has done the same with the Bible.
[11:38] Speaker 2: Disagree. I mean, sure, if the Bible is true, then
[11:40] Speaker 2: the people living at the same time as Jesus had
[11:42] Speaker 2: better reason to think he was the Son of God
[11:44] Speaker 2: than we do. But the Bible is factually wrong and
[11:46] Speaker 2: internally inconsistent, so I'm not sure how you plan on
[11:49] Speaker 2: proving that that is the Word of God.
[11:52] Speaker 3: There is an abundance of evidence that proves the Bible
[11:57] Speaker 3: is God's Word. You could go through various aspects or
[12:03] Speaker 3: various lines of evidence to prove the Bible's legitimacy as
[12:08] Speaker 3: God's Word. You could show that the Bible was written
[12:11] Speaker 3: over a period of about 1600 years. Moses writing in
[12:14] Speaker 3: about 1500 or 1450 BC. The first five books of
[12:19] Speaker 3: the Old Testament, the Pentateuch, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
[12:22] Speaker 3: The last book of the New Testament, Revelation, penned before
[12:26] Speaker 3: 100 AD. 1600 years.
[12:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, so remember that thing about denying reality? Moses did
[12:33] Speaker 2: not write the Pentateuch. Those books had multiple authors and
[12:36] Speaker 2: probably multiple editors. They also aren't as old as he's saying.
[12:39] Speaker 2: Scholars largely agree that they were written between the sixth
[12:41] Speaker 2: and fourth centuries BCE, about a thousand years later than
[12:44] Speaker 2: Kyle's claiming. Several of the New Testament books were also
[12:47] Speaker 2: not completed until the second century CE. Now, back to
[12:50] Speaker 2: the Pentateuch. One of the ways we know it had
[12:52] Speaker 2: multiple authors is because of the lack of cohesion in
[12:55] Speaker 2: certain aspects. For instance, in the story of Joseph being
[12:58] Speaker 2: sold into slavery, we see in Genesis 37 that his brothers,
[13:01] Speaker 2: after throwing him into a pit, see a caravan of Ishmaelites.
[13:04] Speaker 2: They decide to sell him to them. At this point,
[13:06] Speaker 2: seemingly out of nowhere, some Midianite traders pass by and
[13:09] Speaker 2: don't actually do anything. Then, Joseph's brothers sell him to
[13:13] Speaker 2: the Ishmaelites. Several verses later, after they tell their father
[13:16] Speaker 2: that Joseph is dead, we now cut to Egypt, where
[13:18] Speaker 2: the Midianites sell Joseph to Potiphar. This looks rather obviously
[13:22] Speaker 2: like two stories that got smushed together. In one version
[13:25] Speaker 2: of the story, his brothers sold him to Midianites, and
[13:27] Speaker 2: in the other, they sold him to Ishmaelites. When combining
[13:30] Speaker 2: the stories into one, some of the details got jumbled,
[13:32] Speaker 2: and so we have him being sold by his brothers
[13:34] Speaker 2: to the Ishmaelites, and then by the Midianites to Potiphar.
[13:37] Speaker 2: Within just 11 short verses, the incongruities are too much
[13:41] Speaker 2: to leave me thinking that this is an inerrant book.
[13:43] Speaker 2: Even if you harmonize this by saying something like Joseph
[13:46] Speaker 2: was sold to the Ishmaelites, who then turned around and
[13:48] Speaker 2: immediately sold him to the Midianites, you have to add
[13:51] Speaker 2: that assumption into the story in order for it to work.
[13:54] Speaker 2: It doesn't work in its current form, and the Bible
[13:56] Speaker 2: contains multiple warnings against adding to the contents of the book.
[13:59] Speaker 2: So if the Bible is inerrant, then you shouldn't need
[14:02] Speaker 2: to add things to it in order to make it inerrant.
[14:05] Speaker 2: It should stand on its own.
[14:07] Speaker 3: You could show that these 66 books are perfectly accurate
[14:14] Speaker 3: in every statement they ever make. Nope.
[14:17] Speaker 2: You don't even need to leave the pages of the
[14:18] Speaker 2: Bible to prove them wrong here. 1 Kings 4.26 says,
[14:21] Speaker 2: Solomon also had 40,000 stalls of horses for his chariots
[14:24] Speaker 2: and 12,000 horsemen. Compare that to 2 Chronicles 9.25, which says,
[14:28] Speaker 2: And Solomon had 4,000 stalls for horses and chariots and 12,000 horsemen,
[14:32] Speaker 2: whom he stationed in the chariot cities and with the
[14:34] Speaker 2: king in Jerusalem. These two statements cannot both be true.
[14:38] Speaker 2: One of them has to be wrong by an order
[14:40] Speaker 2: of magnitude. And if one of them is wrong, then
[14:43] Speaker 2: the Bible is not perfectly accurate in every statement it makes.
[14:47] Speaker 3: We are going to focus on an area called scientific foreknowledge.
[14:53] Speaker 2: Oh, so this is going to be one of those
[14:54] Speaker 2: things where he sees the Bible says something along the
[14:56] Speaker 2: lines of life is in the blood. And so how
[14:59] Speaker 2: could anyone from the ancient world have possibly known that
[15:01] Speaker 2: bleeding out kills you without God? Fun times.
[15:05] Speaker 3: Scientific foreknowledge of the Bible simply says this. There are
[15:08] Speaker 3: things that the authors wrote down that in and of
[15:13] Speaker 3: themselves the authors would have had no way to know
[15:17] Speaker 3: how important their writings were.
[15:21] Speaker 2: Which, time and time again, have failed to actually help
[15:24] Speaker 2: scientists figure anything out. We only ever see this foreknowledge retrospectively.
[15:29] Speaker 2: Nobody has ever made a scientific discovery by starting with
[15:32] Speaker 2: the Bible.
[15:34] Speaker 3: Let me give you an example of that. Maybe you
[15:37] Speaker 3: know how George Washington died. In the late 1700s, very late,
[15:41] Speaker 3: I think it was somewhere like 1799, George Washington went
[15:45] Speaker 3: out one day and he was older and he got
[15:48] Speaker 3: the chills. He got a fever, got the chills. They
[15:52] Speaker 3: called the family doctor in. The family doctor came into
[15:57] Speaker 3: George Washington's room and saw that he had the chills
[16:00] Speaker 3: and prescribed a procedure that was very common during those days. Bloodletting.
[16:08] Speaker 2: I swear I didn't watch ahead when scripting this. I
[16:10] Speaker 2: was using the blood thing as an obvious bad example
[16:13] Speaker 2: of scientific foreknowledge, but Looks as though that's exactly where
[16:17] Speaker 2: Kyle is going with this. People thought that taking blood
[16:19] Speaker 2: out of you would cure you. Therefore, the Bible has
[16:21] Speaker 2: scientific foreknowledge when it says that life is in the blood. OK, well, firstly,
[16:26] Speaker 2: I'm sure that people practicing bloodletting knew that there was
[16:28] Speaker 2: a limit to it. It was about balancing the humors.
[16:31] Speaker 2: You don't balance them by going from one extreme to
[16:33] Speaker 2: the other. They knew that too much blood loss is fatal,
[16:36] Speaker 2: even if they didn't know that too much blood is not.
[16:39] Speaker 2: But secondly and more importantly, if the importance of blood
[16:42] Speaker 2: was a bit of scientific knowledge from the Bible, then
[16:44] Speaker 2: why is it that the highly Christian societies found all
[16:47] Speaker 2: throughout Europe for most of the last 2,000 years practiced bloodletting?
[16:52] Speaker 3: But when we read in Leviticus chapter 17 verses 11
[16:55] Speaker 3: and 14, the Bible says the life of of the
[17:00] Speaker 3: flesh is in the blood, its blood sustains its life.
[17:07] Speaker 2: Can't believe I called it. What religion was George Washington, Kyle?
[17:12] Speaker 2: He was a Christian. American society at the time was
[17:14] Speaker 2: very highly Christian. They had access to Leviticus. So why
[17:18] Speaker 2: were they unable to figure out not to do bloodletting
[17:20] Speaker 2: if that was actually some spectacular revelatory knowledge of science
[17:25] Speaker 2: that we had no way of knowing before God revealed it? Well,
[17:28] Speaker 2: how in the world would Moses have been able to
[17:32] Speaker 2: know the importance of the life of the flesh being
[17:35] Speaker 2: in the blood if we didn't figure it out until
[17:39] Speaker 2: mid-1800s or later? Or, to flip that on its head,
[17:42] Speaker 2: How were we completely unable to figure it out until
[17:45] Speaker 2: the mid-1800s or later, if Moses knew about it more
[17:48] Speaker 2: than 3,000 years ago? But also, do you really think
[17:51] Speaker 2: that ancient people who regularly slaughtered animals by cutting their
[17:54] Speaker 2: throats and allowing them to bleed out were unable to
[17:56] Speaker 2: figure out that losing too much blood can kill you?
[17:59] Speaker 2: How stupid do you think these people were?
[18:01] Speaker 3: Just a lucky guess? You know how many times you're
[18:04] Speaker 3: going to have to use that answer if you do
[18:06] Speaker 3: use it, that it was a lucky guess? For instance...
[18:10] Speaker 3: Do you recall that the Bible says that Moses was
[18:13] Speaker 3: educated in all of the ways of the Egyptians? We
[18:17] Speaker 3: have medical manuscripts from the Egyptian nation that date back
[18:23] Speaker 3: to the time or prior to Moses. And in those
[18:26] Speaker 3: medical manuscripts, we have prescriptions for healing, alleged healing. And
[18:32] Speaker 3: some of them go like this. If a patient comes
[18:35] Speaker 3: in to an Egyptian doctor and he has a splinter,
[18:40] Speaker 3: then that splinter should be wrapped with worm blood and
[18:44] Speaker 3: donkey dung because the pus that is formed is good
[18:50] Speaker 3: for the patient.
[18:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how true that is, and I
[18:53] Speaker 2: don't really care. It is entirely irrelevant. People before modern
[18:57] Speaker 2: medicine had some wacky ideas. Ideas that you'd think wouldn't
[19:00] Speaker 2: be quite as prevalent as they were in Christian societies
[19:03] Speaker 2: if the Bible actually had useful medical advice in it.
[19:06] Speaker 2: As it stands, all we really have are things like,
[19:09] Speaker 2: after a leper gets better without medicine, you have to
[19:11] Speaker 2: do a cleansing ritual before letting them back into the camp.
[19:14] Speaker 2: And this ritual involves draining a bird of its blood,
[19:16] Speaker 2: somehow killing it despite blood obviously not being required for life,
[19:20] Speaker 2: and then sprinkling that blood on a live bird, sprinkling
[19:22] Speaker 2: it around the leper, and dabbing oil in a bunch
[19:24] Speaker 2: of places. It's a whole weird thing.
[19:27] Speaker 3: And yet when we go through the entire Old Testament,
[19:29] Speaker 3: there is not a single, not one single instance of
[19:35] Speaker 3: a medical prescription that is harmful to anyone, and every
[19:40] Speaker 3: medical prescription that is given is helpful to the benefit
[19:46] Speaker 3: of the person.
[19:47] Speaker 2: In as much as that is true, which isn't much
[19:49] Speaker 2: because it's not actually true, that would mainly be because
[19:52] Speaker 2: the Old Testament is not a medical text. There are
[19:54] Speaker 2: only a handful of examples, and they usually turn up
[19:56] Speaker 2: in the form of stories like the fig poultice that
[19:59] Speaker 2: Isaiah used to cure King Hezekiah. But that was also
[20:02] Speaker 2: presented as a bit of a miracle situation. God said
[20:04] Speaker 2: that Hezekiah was about to die, so he should put
[20:06] Speaker 2: his affairs in order. Hezekiah prayed that he would not,
[20:09] Speaker 2: so God changed his mind and allowed Isaiah to heal him.
[20:12] Speaker 2: Most of the other stuff, rather than being medical, is
[20:14] Speaker 2: actually about ritual purity. And if you want to say
[20:16] Speaker 2: that the ritual purity is just ancient people speak for
[20:19] Speaker 2: medical stuff, then you're left with the medical treatments involving
[20:22] Speaker 2: splashing around in dead bird blood. Also, I seem to
[20:24] Speaker 2: have overlooked King Asa, who in 2 Chronicles 16 ends
[20:28] Speaker 2: up dead of a foot disease specifically because he sought
[20:30] Speaker 2: the help of physicians. Seems like the ancient Hebrew doctors
[20:33] Speaker 2: weren't all that Kyle is making them out to be.
[20:36] Speaker 2: Also worth mentioning is that the Old Testament is not
[20:38] Speaker 2: our only window into ancient Hebrew culture. We have other
[20:41] Speaker 2: texts that have survived, and some of them include remedies
[20:44] Speaker 2: and medical advice. For example, Gittin 68b from the Mishnah
[20:48] Speaker 2: has a remedy for migraines. Slaughter a rooster in such
[20:51] Speaker 2: a way that the blood will flow over the side
[20:53] Speaker 2: of your head that hurts, and then hang the rooster
[20:55] Speaker 2: in your doorway so that every time you enter or leave,
[20:57] Speaker 2: you rub against it. In 69A, the cure for a
[21:00] Speaker 2: nosebleed is to find a man named Levi and get
[21:02] Speaker 2: him to write his name backward. So, yeah, the Old Testament,
[21:06] Speaker 2: which contains no medical texts, doesn't really have medical prescriptions
[21:10] Speaker 2: that harm the patient. But the actual medical texts that
[21:13] Speaker 2: aren't in the Bible have a bunch of the same
[21:15] Speaker 2: wacky ideas that all the other cultures of the time had.
[21:17] Speaker 2: I'm skipping ahead again. He spends the next few minutes
[21:19] Speaker 2: telling the story of the medical clinic that had doctors
[21:21] Speaker 2: delivering babies and working on cadavers without washing their hands
[21:24] Speaker 2: between them, resulting in high maternal and infant mortality rates.
[21:27] Speaker 2: So that's the subject when we come back.
[21:30] Speaker 3: We as a 21st century audience, looking back at that
[21:33] Speaker 3: gruesome scene, totally and completely understand what the problem is.
[21:37] Speaker 3: They're passing germs from these dead bodies to these live women.
[21:41] Speaker 2: Yes, and do you know what? The germ theory of
[21:44] Speaker 2: disease is likewise not present anywhere in the Bible. In fact,
[21:47] Speaker 2: when you look at what the Bible has to say
[21:48] Speaker 2: about washing your hands, it seems rather ignorant. In Matthew 15,
[21:52] Speaker 2: the Pharisees asked Jesus why he and his disciples don't
[21:54] Speaker 2: wash their hands before eating. Jesus' response is to say
[21:57] Speaker 2: that it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles
[21:58] Speaker 2: a person, it's what comes out of the mouth. Now, again,
[22:01] Speaker 2: this is more in the same vein as ritual purity,
[22:04] Speaker 2: but given the lack of understanding of germs, it seems
[22:07] Speaker 2: like Jesus could have used a better example that wouldn't
[22:09] Speaker 2: have resulted in bad hygiene practices.
[22:11] Speaker 3: You say, what's that got to do with the inspiration
[22:14] Speaker 3: of the Bible? That's a very good question. Did you
[22:18] Speaker 3: know when we turn to Numbers chapter 19 and we
[22:21] Speaker 3: start reading in verses 11 and 12, the text tells
[22:26] Speaker 3: us this. He who touches the dead body of anyone
[22:31] Speaker 3: shall be unclean seven days. He shall purify himself with
[22:35] Speaker 3: the water on the third day and on the seventh day.
[22:38] Speaker 3: Then he will be clean. But if he does not
[22:41] Speaker 3: purify himself on the third day and on the seventh day,
[22:45] Speaker 3: he will not be clean.
[22:48] Speaker 2: This is about ritual purity, not germs. If you get
[22:52] Speaker 2: to pull this one out as an example of the
[22:54] Speaker 2: Bible having good medical stuff in it, then I get
[22:56] Speaker 2: to go back to talking about Jesus not washing his
[22:58] Speaker 2: hands before eating as though it were not about ritual cleanliness,
[23:01] Speaker 2: but actual cleanliness. But more to the point, though, why
[23:05] Speaker 2: is there a definite article before water? It's not just
[23:07] Speaker 2: purifying yourself with water, it's purifying yourself with THE water.
[23:11] Speaker 2: What's that about? Well, if we read the context from
[23:14] Speaker 2: earlier in the chapter, there is a perpetual statute that
[23:17] Speaker 2: a red heifer is to be slaughtered, its blood shall
[23:19] Speaker 2: be sprinkled toward the front of the tent of meeting
[23:21] Speaker 2: seven times, and then it shall be burned along with
[23:23] Speaker 2: its dung and a bundle of cedarwood, hyssop, and scarlet yarn.
[23:26] Speaker 2: A man who is clean then needs to gather the
[23:28] Speaker 2: ashes of the heifer and put them outside the camp
[23:30] Speaker 2: in a clean place, and they're to be kept for
[23:32] Speaker 2: the water for impurity for the congregation of the people.
[23:35] Speaker 2: So this is not talking about washing yourself in just water.
[23:38] Speaker 2: You are washing yourself in water mixed with ashes from
[23:41] Speaker 2: a dead heifer and its dung. That is the water
[23:44] Speaker 2: that this is talking about. But remember, kids, it's only
[23:47] Speaker 2: atheists who take the Bible out of context.
[23:49] Speaker 3: When did we say this was written? About 1450 B.C.
[23:54] Speaker 2: More like 300 to 500 BCE, but who's counting? Also, like, again,
[23:59] Speaker 2: even if I give you the most generous interpretation here,
[24:02] Speaker 2: you seem to think that ancient people were too stupid
[24:04] Speaker 2: to figure out that you can use water to wash
[24:06] Speaker 2: things like blood from the corpse you just touched off
[24:09] Speaker 2: of your hands.
[24:10] Speaker 3: F * * * ing.
[24:10] Speaker 2: Raccoons have figured out how to wash things with water,
[24:13] Speaker 2: but that's just too much for the human mind to comprehend,
[24:15] Speaker 2: I guess.
[24:16] Speaker 3: Well, washed with what? Well, the Bible in Numbers chapter
[24:21] Speaker 3: 19 describes to us The water of purification.
[24:25] Speaker 2: Oh, maybe he is going to tell us about the
[24:28] Speaker 2: dead heifer poop ash water.
[24:29] Speaker 3: Huh. Now, sometimes when you're reading in the Old Testament,
[24:33] Speaker 3: there are some things that are kind of odd. You
[24:35] Speaker 3: might not know why they are in there. Like there
[24:37] Speaker 3: is a prescription that says, do not boil a baby
[24:40] Speaker 3: goat in its mother's milk.
[24:42] Speaker 2: So let me get this straight. When an Egyptian text
[24:45] Speaker 2: has an odd thing in it, that's proof that they
[24:47] Speaker 2: didn't know what they were talking about because they didn't
[24:49] Speaker 2: have divine revelation. But when the Bible has an odd
[24:52] Speaker 2: thing in it, that's okay. Just go ahead and wash
[24:54] Speaker 2: yourself clean in the heifer poop ash water.
[24:56] Speaker 3: What does that mean? I'm not sure. We don't know exactly.
[25:00] Speaker 3: We think that it might have some connection to some
[25:03] Speaker 3: pagan practices that were going on around them, but we're
[25:05] Speaker 3: not really sure. Another idea, another regulation in the Old Testament.
[25:10] Speaker 3: You shall not wear a garment made of different fabrics.
[25:14] Speaker 3: Polyester would be out. Half cotton, half wool would be out.
[25:18] Speaker 3: Why was that? Don't know.
[25:20] Speaker 2: Isn't the Bible supposed to be the perfect word of God, though? Like,
[25:23] Speaker 2: surely we wouldn't expect a bunch of shit in it
[25:26] Speaker 2: to not be relevant to anyone except the specific group
[25:28] Speaker 2: of people that were God's favorites for most of history, right?
[25:32] Speaker 3: The water of purification, when you read about it, at
[25:35] Speaker 3: first it seems odd.
[25:37] Speaker 2: At second, too.
[25:39] Speaker 3: When you start there in Numbers 19, verses 5 and 6,
[25:42] Speaker 3: you read that the priests were supposed to take a
[25:45] Speaker 3: red heifer and burn this red heifer along with cedar wood,
[25:51] Speaker 3: with scarlet wool, and with hyssop. And then the ashes
[25:55] Speaker 3: from that mixture were supposed to be thrown into the
[25:58] Speaker 3: water of purification, and that's what composed this water of purification.
[26:04] Speaker 2: Eh, he gets another rhino point for not completely ignoring
[26:06] Speaker 2: the context, but he loses it again for not mentioning
[26:09] Speaker 2: that it is also required that the heifer's dung is
[26:11] Speaker 2: included there, and that the heifer's blood is supposed to
[26:14] Speaker 2: be sprinkled around in a very specific way. I guess
[26:17] Speaker 2: those aspects were just too close to the example from
[26:19] Speaker 2: the Egyptian text that he mentioned earlier for his comfort. Well,
[26:22] Speaker 2: why is that?
[26:23] Speaker 3: What's the deal with cedar and hyssop and scarlet wool
[26:26] Speaker 3: and the ashes of a red heifer? Why are those
[26:28] Speaker 3: in the water? What you see when you look at
[26:32] Speaker 3: it more closely is that these ingredients were the ingredients
[26:37] Speaker 3: for the perfect soap recipe. Let me explain.
[26:42] Speaker 2: Please do explain. And when you do, don't leave out
[26:44] Speaker 2: the poop from your perfect soap recipe.
[26:47] Speaker 3: Maybe you recall when you were younger you went maybe
[26:50] Speaker 3: on a field trip and you saw how the early
[26:52] Speaker 3: settlers produced soap. They didn't go down to Walmart and
[26:54] Speaker 3: buy soap. They had to make it themselves and they
[26:57] Speaker 3: made a soap called lye soap. Remember how they did that?
[27:02] Speaker 3: They would take ashes and put them in a funnel
[27:05] Speaker 3: and they would allow water to mix through that ash
[27:09] Speaker 3: mixture and they would catch that water ash mixture on
[27:12] Speaker 3: the bottom and they would use that in their soap.
[27:14] Speaker 2: Okay, Still not sure why the poop is in God's recipe,
[27:18] Speaker 2: but that does make a certain amount of sense. Lye
[27:20] Speaker 2: soap is made by soaking ash, usually wood or vegetable ash,
[27:23] Speaker 2: in water, straining out the ash, leaving you with lye water,
[27:26] Speaker 2: which can then be turned into soap by adding grease.
[27:28] Speaker 2: But this still leaves me with a whole lot of questions.
[27:31] Speaker 2: Why does it matter what color the heifer is? Why
[27:33] Speaker 2: is the poop in there? Why waste the animal's meat
[27:35] Speaker 2: by turning it into ash when wood ash would do?
[27:37] Speaker 2: All you need is the rendered fat from the animal.
[27:39] Speaker 2: And even if we assume that this is talking about
[27:41] Speaker 2: soap making, how is that even special? The Egyptian document
[27:45] Speaker 2: that he referenced earlier that has the worm blood and
[27:47] Speaker 2: dung being a remedy for a splinter also has recipes
[27:49] Speaker 2: for soap-like substances that involve ashes and animal fat. So
[27:53] Speaker 2: best case scenario here is that the author of this
[27:55] Speaker 2: part of the Bible had about the same level of
[27:57] Speaker 2: soap making knowledge as other cultures of the time, but
[28:00] Speaker 2: made the recipe so specific and ritualistic as to be
[28:03] Speaker 2: a massive inconvenience rather than something that pretty much anyone
[28:05] Speaker 2: could do on their own if they wanted to.
[28:08] Speaker 3: The water of purification was the perfect soap recipe. designed
[28:15] Speaker 3: by God to keep from passing germs throughout the Israelite camp,
[28:19] Speaker 3: recorded by Moses in about 1450 BC, about 3300 years
[28:24] Speaker 3: before we even knew that you passed germs from dead
[28:26] Speaker 3: people to live people.
[28:28] Speaker 2: Question for you, Kyle. If it really was the perfect
[28:31] Speaker 2: soap recipe, how come we don't make soap that way today?
[28:34] Speaker 2: I don't remember ever seeing red heifer dung as an
[28:36] Speaker 2: ingredient in any of the soaps that I've used.
[28:38] Speaker 3: How do you explain that?
[28:40] Speaker 2: The authors of the Pentateuch had soap making technology that
[28:43] Speaker 2: was on par with other Mesopotamian cultures of the time,
[28:45] Speaker 2: but had a weird obsession with pointless rituals. That's it
[28:48] Speaker 2: for this one. I did skip a lot of it,
[28:50] Speaker 2: so feel free to watch the original if you don't
[28:51] Speaker 2: trust me to have edited him fairly. But I promise
[28:54] Speaker 2: you that that will be a painful experience for you.
[28:56] Speaker 2: It really did just end up being how could they
[28:58] Speaker 2: know people would die without blood? And they had a
[29:01] Speaker 2: really convoluted way of making soap, if that's even what
[29:04] Speaker 2: that passage was about. And that's how we know the
[29:07] Speaker 2: Bible came from God. Seems a bit weak, if I'm honest,
[29:10] Speaker 2: though I will admit that I had not heard the
[29:12] Speaker 2: argument from artisanal soap making before. Today's comment of the
[29:16] Speaker 2: day comes to us from Great Caesars Ghostwriter 3018, who says,
[29:20] Speaker 2: Don't worry, Mike, it's perfectly normal to wear frilly pink knickers. Well,
[29:24] Speaker 2: in that case, I got some good news for you
[29:25] Speaker 2: about what I'm wearing in the outtakes of a previous
[29:27] Speaker 2: Mike Winger video. Thanks for watching! I'll be back next
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[30:34] Speaker 2: goes well. This will be my last video in this office.
[30:36] Speaker 2: I'll be in the new office next week. Just got
[30:39] Speaker 2: to put the floor down this weekend.
[30:43] Speaker 1: I'll have time for that, right?
[30:44] Speaker 2: Five kids don't take up any of my time. So
[30:46] Speaker 2: if not the week after, better fucking be next week.

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