# Mike Feels That Your Feelings Feel Wrong

An episode of [Viced Rhino: The Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1536972599), 22 Oct 2026, 27 min.

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Sorry for the delay on this one, apparently I forgot to schedule it last week. Mike Winger explains why he feels that your feelings are wrong but his feelings are facts. Cards: Mike Winger 10 Questions: Skeptic's Edition: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeku6XXBmPPA Original Video: https://tinyurl.com/2cps8hds Sources: From Bethlehem to Bedlam: England's First Mental Institution: https://tinyurl.com/he78lll High-heeled shoe: https://tinyurl.com/w2vqhtd Psychosocial and mental health outcomes associated with gender-affirming interventions among transgender youth: a scoping review: https://tinyurl.com/2apme6ff Ovotesticular syndrome: https://tinyurl.com/24aos2kj Transgender history: https://tinyurl.com/jojxnbn Provision of gender-affirming care for trans and gender-diverse adults: a systematic review of health and quality of life outcomes, values and preferences, and costs: https://tinyurl.com/29cdosg5 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/viced-rhino-the-podcast--4623273/support. All my various links can be found here: http://links.vicedrhino.com This content is CAN credentialed, which means you can report instances of harassment, abuse, or other harm on their hotline at (617) 249-4255, or on their website at creatoraccountabilitynetwork.org

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[0:26] Speaker 2: welcome to my channel. Vicerino here. Today, I'm looking at
[0:30] Speaker 2: part six of Mike Winger's 10 Questions That Turned Into
[0:33] Speaker 2: 21 Questions livestream that was looking for questions from skeptics. Now,
[0:37] Speaker 2: in this one, there may be longer segments than usual
[0:39] Speaker 2: of Mike talking before I jump in to respond. The
[0:42] Speaker 2: reason for that is because he largely flubs this one
[0:46] Speaker 2: and spends a lot of time floundering around trying to
[0:48] Speaker 2: figure out what to say. Ordinarily, I would cut the
[0:51] Speaker 2: floundering out and jump straight to where he says it clearly,
[0:53] Speaker 2: but that doesn't happen cleanly in this one, so I
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[2:25] Speaker 3: I often hear the argument, quote, if God doesn't make
[2:28] Speaker 3: mistakes when it comes to gender, then what about disabilities?
[2:32] Speaker 3: How would you respond?
[2:34] Speaker 2: And I hope you can see now why he's going
[2:36] Speaker 2: to be flustered for this one. It's because there is
[2:38] Speaker 2: no good answer to this question that doesn't make his
[2:40] Speaker 2: God look like a complete.
[2:43] Speaker 3: Um, usually when I hear questions like this, I don't
[2:45] Speaker 3: know about you guys, but I think of what assumptions
[2:48] Speaker 3: are loaded into the question. Like sometimes when people make
[2:52] Speaker 3: you answer a question, they're making you affirm things that
[2:55] Speaker 3: Without you realizing it.
[2:57] Speaker 2: To paraphrase, if you were to actually answer the question,
[3:00] Speaker 2: it would reveal an inconsistency in your worldview. So rather
[3:04] Speaker 2: than answer the question being asked, you're going to attempt
[3:06] Speaker 2: a dodge.
[3:08] Speaker 3: So the phrase God doesn't make mistakes when it comes
[3:12] Speaker 3: to gender. I think that that we're affirming when we
[3:15] Speaker 3: say that is we're supposed to be affirming that if
[3:17] Speaker 3: you're born female, that was not a mistake. You really
[3:20] Speaker 3: are female. Even though you internally feel male, you're not.
[3:23] Speaker 3: You're actually female or vice versa.
[3:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the point. Your position is that God doesn't
[3:28] Speaker 2: make mistakes. If you were born female, then your gender
[3:31] Speaker 2: must be girl or woman. But if God doesn't make mistakes,
[3:33] Speaker 2: then people born with disabilities are made that way intentionally.
[3:37] Speaker 2: He made them in a way where navigating a world
[3:39] Speaker 2: that was not designed for them in mind is going
[3:41] Speaker 2: to make their lives more difficult. Historically, people with disabilities
[3:44] Speaker 2: would often be subjected to abuse and ridicule. Some of
[3:46] Speaker 2: the luckier ones might find work in the various iterations
[3:48] Speaker 2: of freak shows that have existed throughout history. Those with
[3:51] Speaker 2: mental disabilities would usually be cared for by family, but
[3:53] Speaker 2: institutions like Bethlehem Hospital, more commonly known as Bedlam, became
[3:57] Speaker 2: infamous for their mistreatment of people with disabilities. And while
[4:00] Speaker 2: it is often portrayed as being run by cruel people
[4:02] Speaker 2: who entertain themselves by torturing the disabled, they were largely
[4:06] Speaker 2: run by people who thought they were providing care for
[4:08] Speaker 2: the less fortunate and doing the Lord's work. some conditions
[4:11] Speaker 2: were thought to be curable through corporal punishment. That is,
[4:15] Speaker 2: beat the disability out of them, while solitary confinement was
[4:18] Speaker 2: seen as a way to help people come to their senses.
[4:20] Speaker 2: So while their treatment was indeed cruel, it wasn't necessarily
[4:24] Speaker 2: cruel out of malice. The road to hell is paved
[4:26] Speaker 2: with good intentions and all that. If God intentionally made
[4:29] Speaker 2: people that he knew would be forced into those kinds
[4:31] Speaker 2: of situations through no fault of their own, then God
[4:34] Speaker 2: is a d * * *. But if you allow
[4:36] Speaker 2: for God to have made mistakes, or just say that
[4:37] Speaker 2: God isn't directly responsible for creating every individual person, then
[4:41] Speaker 2: this cruelty is not necessarily God's fault. I mean, I
[4:45] Speaker 2: would argue that it still is, but it's less direct
[4:47] Speaker 2: than if God had a hand in making everyone.
[4:50] Speaker 3: And that this is based on the idea that God
[4:51] Speaker 3: doesn't make mistakes. I wouldn't put it that way. I
[4:57] Speaker 3: wouldn't say God doesn't make mistakes, and that's how I
[4:59] Speaker 3: know the difference between male and female. So then the
[5:03] Speaker 3: next thing, what about disabilities, wouldn't be a challenge to me.
[5:07] Speaker 3: Because I go, hey, when... The reason why gender is
[5:13] Speaker 3: real and gender is not changeable is not because God
[5:16] Speaker 3: doesn't make mistakes.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Well, gender is real, but it is also socially constructed,
[5:22] Speaker 2: and as such, it does change as society changes. Its
[5:25] Speaker 2: relationship to sex is also rather arbitrary. The things we
[5:28] Speaker 2: think of as masculine or feminine are very rarely tied
[5:31] Speaker 2: to anything biological. High heels, for instance, originate with the
[5:34] Speaker 2: Persian calvary of the 10th century CE, as the heels
[5:37] Speaker 2: allowed them to stand up on horseback in order to
[5:39] Speaker 2: better aim their bows. In Europe, because of this association
[5:42] Speaker 2: with military prowess and horseback riding, heels began as a
[5:45] Speaker 2: sign of wealth and status for men. Women didn't begin
[5:48] Speaker 2: wearing heels until the mid-17th century, and at first it
[5:51] Speaker 2: was resisted. There was actually a law in the books
[5:53] Speaker 2: in Massachusetts which stated that a woman who lured a
[5:55] Speaker 2: man into marriage through the use of high heels would
[5:57] Speaker 2: be subject to the same punishment as those found guilty
[6:00] Speaker 2: of witchcraft. Now, Mike, does the height of the heels
[6:03] Speaker 2: on one's shoes have anything to do with one's chromosomes
[6:06] Speaker 2: or reproductive anatomy? Obviously not. And yet today, they are
[6:10] Speaker 2: considered to be mostly women's clothing, with exceptions made for
[6:13] Speaker 2: practical applications like cowboy boots. Turns out, heels are still
[6:16] Speaker 2: good for keeping a foot in a stirrup, regardless of
[6:18] Speaker 2: which gender they are associated with. So, Mike, since you
[6:22] Speaker 2: believe that gender has its basis in biology, what is
[6:25] Speaker 2: the biological basis for your preference in heel height?
[6:30] Speaker 3: You don't need God to be a mistake maker to
[6:33] Speaker 3: say that you know, transgender is a real thing that
[6:36] Speaker 3: you can change your gender based upon how you feel
[6:39] Speaker 3: or that gender is an internal reality. The reason is
[6:41] Speaker 3: that gender is based on sex.
[6:43] Speaker 2: Well, if it's based on sex, then it isn't the
[6:47] Speaker 2: same thing as sex. So thanks for acknowledging that, I guess.
[6:51] Speaker 3: Gender is, this is the policy that I'd have in mind.
[6:54] Speaker 3: Gender is based on biological sex. That's what it's based on.
[6:59] Speaker 3: It is not based on your internal feelings about some
[7:03] Speaker 3: amorphous idea of gender. That's just feelings. That's just feelings.
[7:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, gender is feelings. Mike presumably not being comfortable wearing
[7:15] Speaker 2: high heels is not because he has a penis or
[7:18] Speaker 2: XY chromosomes. It's because he feels like he is a
[7:20] Speaker 2: man and he feels like high heels are something that
[7:23] Speaker 2: men don't wear.
[7:25] Speaker 3: You feel like a dinosaur. That's OK, because you're you're
[7:29] Speaker 3: who you are is based on your biology here. You're
[7:31] Speaker 3: a human.
[7:32] Speaker 2: Trans people don't deny that they are human, Mike. Those
[7:35] Speaker 2: are not analogous statements.
[7:38] Speaker 3: Right, and someone could say, so you're saying God made
[7:40] Speaker 3: a mistake with me? Or something, I don't know what
[7:43] Speaker 3: that means.
[7:44] Speaker 2: What that means, Mike, is that if we assume you
[7:47] Speaker 2: are correct and that there are only two sexes and
[7:49] Speaker 2: those two sexes map perfectly onto the two genders, so
[7:52] Speaker 2: male is always man and female is always woman, then
[7:55] Speaker 2: when people feel a mismatch between their sex and gender,
[7:57] Speaker 2: that isn't the way it is supposed to be. So
[8:00] Speaker 2: if God had a hand in making everyone, then the
[8:02] Speaker 2: only reason someone could have such a mismatch is either
[8:05] Speaker 2: God made them that way on purpose, or God made
[8:08] Speaker 2: a mistake. If he made them that way on purpose,
[8:10] Speaker 2: and being that way is sinful and wrong, then God
[8:13] Speaker 2: is malicious, and Mike can't have that, so it must
[8:16] Speaker 2: be a mistake. But Mike can't have that one either.
[8:18] Speaker 2: Hence his voluntary ignorance as to what that could possibly
[8:21] Speaker 2: even mean.
[8:22] Speaker 3: All I know is... Who you are is based on
[8:25] Speaker 3: biology here. Your biological status of human, not dinosaur, or male,
[8:30] Speaker 3: not female, is based on biology, not based on your feelings.
[8:33] Speaker 2: Why would who you are be based on biology and
[8:36] Speaker 2: not feelings? I feel like Mike probably thinks that who
[8:40] Speaker 2: he is, a core part of his identity, is a Christian.
[8:43] Speaker 2: But is he a biological Christian? What would that even mean?
[8:47] Speaker 2: And I am a bit of a sci-fi nerd because
[8:49] Speaker 2: I like science fiction. That is a feeling that I have.
[8:52] Speaker 2: It's also part of who I am. gender is also
[8:55] Speaker 2: a part of who you are and is based on feelings.
[8:58] Speaker 2: And for the record, your feelings are 100% based on biology.
[9:02] Speaker 2: You feel things because of biological processes happening in your
[9:05] Speaker 2: brain and body. The distinction between feelings and biology is
[9:08] Speaker 2: itself a matter of feelings.
[9:10] Speaker 3: Your feelings do not dictate your reality. They are your feelings.
[9:13] Speaker 2: You do know that feelings are a part of reality, right, Mike? Like,
[9:17] Speaker 2: if I am feeling angry, then regardless of the cause
[9:19] Speaker 2: of that anger, it is a real fact about reality
[9:22] Speaker 2: that I am angry. So if gender is based on
[9:25] Speaker 2: feelings and feelings are real, then gender is also real.
[9:28] Speaker 2: It does not need to be tied to sex in
[9:30] Speaker 2: order to be real.
[9:32] Speaker 3: If your feelings don't line up with your biological gender,
[9:34] Speaker 3: it's because your feelings are wrong, not because your gender
[9:37] Speaker 3: is wrong.
[9:38] Speaker 2: So deny reality the reality of your feelings in order
[9:41] Speaker 2: to force yourself to conform to artificial gender norms that
[9:44] Speaker 2: are at their core rather arbitrary. That's what I heard there.
[9:48] Speaker 2: But also. you for suggesting that someone's feelings are wrong
[9:51] Speaker 2: because it makes you uncomfortable. You don't get to dictate
[9:54] Speaker 2: the rightness or wrongness of other people's feelings based on
[9:57] Speaker 2: nothing but your own feelings, which you apparently don't even
[10:00] Speaker 2: think are real.
[10:01] Speaker 3: There's no wrong or right about your gender. There's a
[10:03] Speaker 3: fact and there's truth and falsity about your gender. It's
[10:07] Speaker 3: not like I feel good about it.
[10:09] Speaker 2: You almost had me on board with that one. I
[10:11] Speaker 2: would agree that there is no wrong or right about
[10:13] Speaker 2: your gender. You do you. What gender you are makes
[10:16] Speaker 2: zero difference in my life, so why should I even care?
[10:19] Speaker 2: Then add on the fact that gender-affirming care is consistently
[10:22] Speaker 2: shown to make life better for trans people, and now
[10:25] Speaker 2: I care that helping people with this thing that doesn't
[10:27] Speaker 2: hurt me at all is good for them.
[10:29] Speaker 3: Whether I like it or not, I'm a male. I
[10:31] Speaker 3: was born male.
[10:32] Speaker 2: Okay, but how am I supposed to know that, Mike?
[10:35] Speaker 2: I have never seen your penis. I don't know what
[10:37] Speaker 2: your chromosomes are. I don't know what gametes you produce,
[10:40] Speaker 2: if any. The only thing I have to go on
[10:42] Speaker 2: here is your say-so. I mean, sure, there are some
[10:45] Speaker 2: hints in the secondary sex characteristics. Women don't usually grow
[10:48] Speaker 2: beards and usually have bigger breasts than Mike does. But
[10:51] Speaker 2: those aren't always consistent, and they can be changed with
[10:53] Speaker 2: things like hormones and surgery. People like Mike will often
[10:56] Speaker 2: talk about respecting people's pronouns as being forced to speak lies.
[11:00] Speaker 2: If you're male, you must use he-him pronouns. Anything else
[11:03] Speaker 2: would be dishonest. But for 99.9% of social interactions, you
[11:07] Speaker 2: don't have anything to go on for that determination other
[11:09] Speaker 2: than what the person themselves tells you, and of course,
[11:13] Speaker 2: your feelings. There are enough cis people that get mistaken
[11:16] Speaker 2: for the wrong gender that statistically, if you misgender someone,
[11:20] Speaker 2: you are more likely misgendering a cis person than correctly
[11:22] Speaker 2: identifying a trans person. So even if you still want
[11:26] Speaker 2: to be a hateful bigot, it would be prudent to just,
[11:28] Speaker 2: you know, respect people's pronouns.
[11:31] Speaker 3: Now there's some who are born intersex and you go,
[11:33] Speaker 3: are you, do we classify this as male or female?
[11:35] Speaker 3: Do we, because there's these complicated and there's, there's a
[11:38] Speaker 3: whole variety within that realm. And in some cases you'd
[11:41] Speaker 3: be like, okay, well, yeah, I could see you're kind
[11:43] Speaker 3: of intersex, but you're really male or you're kind of,
[11:44] Speaker 3: but you're really female.
[11:45] Speaker 2: What do you mean by really here? Is someone with
[11:48] Speaker 2: a penis and a functional uterus really male or really female?
[11:52] Speaker 2: And how do you make that determination? And what about
[11:54] Speaker 2: something like ovotesticular syndrome, which can result in a person
[11:57] Speaker 2: who has both a penis and a vagina being as
[12:00] Speaker 2: well as ovarian and testicular tissue and can have either
[12:03] Speaker 2: XX or XY chromosomes or sometimes a mix of both.
[12:06] Speaker 2: If we have to use the pronouns that match with
[12:08] Speaker 2: the biology and we can't just rely on what the
[12:10] Speaker 2: person feels for themselves, then what are we to do
[12:12] Speaker 2: with these people? Well, let me tell you, you just
[12:16] Speaker 2: fucking respect their pronouns without demanding to know intimate medical
[12:19] Speaker 2: details about their lives like a normal person.
[12:22] Speaker 3: And there's some people that are in the middle there
[12:24] Speaker 3: where you're like, I'm not sure what to say. I
[12:27] Speaker 3: don't have to know how to answer that question as
[12:29] Speaker 3: long as I'm still... And you know why I don't
[12:31] Speaker 3: know how to... Because your gender is based on your biology.
[12:35] Speaker 2: So you don't have to know how to answer the
[12:37] Speaker 2: question of what gender someone with ambiguous biology is because
[12:41] Speaker 2: you know that gender is based on biology? That makes
[12:44] Speaker 2: zero sense, Mike.
[12:46] Speaker 3: I'm still looking at biology to dictate what you are.
[12:49] Speaker 3: as gender.
[12:50] Speaker 2: No, you're not, because you just acknowledge that intersex people
[12:53] Speaker 2: exist and that it is not always possible to tell
[12:55] Speaker 2: whether they are more toward the male or female side
[12:58] Speaker 2: of things. Not that that's actually how it works, but
[13:00] Speaker 2: for simplicity's sake, we'll just go with that for now.
[13:02] Speaker 2: So intersex people exist, and for some of them, it
[13:04] Speaker 2: is impossible to determine whether they are closer to male
[13:07] Speaker 2: or female. If biology dictates gender, then their biology dictates
[13:11] Speaker 2: that they are neither men nor women. Alternatively, Mike is
[13:15] Speaker 2: just wrong about biology, about gender, just all of it.
[13:19] Speaker 3: What we've done is we've separated sex from gender in
[13:22] Speaker 3: our culture. And this is completely artificial. This is brand new.
[13:24] Speaker 3: This is changing the definitions of words in the name
[13:27] Speaker 3: of progress.
[13:28] Speaker 2: Sex is separate from gender. This is not new. And
[13:31] Speaker 2: the definitions of words have been changing since words were
[13:34] Speaker 2: first invented. For instance, if I were to call Mike gay,
[13:38] Speaker 2: he would likely get offended at being called homosexual. But
[13:41] Speaker 2: gay used to just mean happy. The definition changed. As
[13:45] Speaker 2: to this being artificial and brand new, well... Artificial is
[13:48] Speaker 2: a red herring. It doesn't matter. Society is artificial, and
[13:51] Speaker 2: yet Mike doesn't complain about living in a modern home
[13:53] Speaker 2: with electricity and internet access. But brand new? My guy,
[13:57] Speaker 2: even if we just limit ourselves to a Eurocentric viewpoint,
[14:00] Speaker 2: we've known about trans people since the 1800s. But everywhere
[14:04] Speaker 2: we look in history, we find people that, had they
[14:06] Speaker 2: lived in our society today, likely would have been trans.
[14:09] Speaker 2: And then what about things like the Native American cultures?
[14:12] Speaker 2: Because gender is a social construct, different societies constructed gender
[14:16] Speaker 2: roles differently than the Europeans had. It varied quite a
[14:19] Speaker 2: bit from tribe to tribe in North America. There were
[14:21] Speaker 2: examples of males living as women, females living as men,
[14:24] Speaker 2: people of either sex living as a third gender that
[14:27] Speaker 2: had different names depending on the tribe. Some tribes even
[14:29] Speaker 2: saw such people as having special powers, so give them
[14:32] Speaker 2: ceremonial roles. And yes, some tribes even discriminated against them. Which,
[14:37] Speaker 2: you know, kind of supports the idea that they existed. Now,
[14:40] Speaker 2: when looking at accounts from history, it is important to
[14:42] Speaker 2: recognize that we don't have a perfect picture of individual
[14:45] Speaker 2: people's lives from history. It is hard to tell whether
[14:48] Speaker 2: these people would have actually been trans or if there
[14:50] Speaker 2: was some other motivation for their apparent gender incongruity. But
[14:53] Speaker 2: my point is that gender has always been a social construct.
[14:57] Speaker 2: subject to change depending on the culture even before we
[15:00] Speaker 2: developed the language to describe it that way. Our development
[15:03] Speaker 2: of that language is not us changing definitions for the
[15:06] Speaker 2: sake of progress, it is the result of progress changing
[15:09] Speaker 2: our understanding of how the world works.
[15:11] Speaker 3: It's not progress, it's delusion. I know I'm offending a
[15:15] Speaker 3: lot of people when I say this.
[15:17] Speaker 2: Probably, but it's not about whether or not you're offending people,
[15:20] Speaker 2: it's about whether or not you are correct, and you
[15:22] Speaker 2: are not correct.
[15:24] Speaker 3: Um, Let me say this really quick. In all of
[15:28] Speaker 3: human history, in all of human history, you're the only
[15:31] Speaker 3: people that have been offended by this.
[15:32] Speaker 2: How can you possibly know that? Have you somehow surveyed
[15:36] Speaker 2: everyone from all of human history, or at least a
[15:38] Speaker 2: representative sample? Have you even studied cultures other than your own?
[15:42] Speaker 2: Aside from the various Native American traditions I already mentioned,
[15:45] Speaker 2: there have been both traditional practices and documented examples of
[15:49] Speaker 2: people who would likely fall into the transgender bucket if
[15:52] Speaker 2: they were around today. Like the 17th century Japanese actor Ayame,
[15:56] Speaker 2: who specialized in playing female roles, but also consistently dressed
[16:00] Speaker 2: and behaved as a woman in everyday life. Or large
[16:03] Speaker 2: swaths of South Asia, where they have recognized a third gender,
[16:06] Speaker 2: the Hidra, since the 13th century. Or the Igbo people
[16:10] Speaker 2: of West Africa, who also have a third gender and
[16:12] Speaker 2: have women who take on male roles, including marrying women. Again,
[16:16] Speaker 2: as with the previous examples, we cannot say for certain
[16:18] Speaker 2: that these are exactly identical to being trans, but it
[16:22] Speaker 2: is likely that at least some of them are. And
[16:24] Speaker 2: even if not, it shows that historically the idea of
[16:27] Speaker 2: gender has been fluid because, you know, social construct. So
[16:32] Speaker 2: when society changes, so do the constructs.
[16:36] Speaker 3: Think about that for a second. Why am I the
[16:38] Speaker 3: why in the history of humanity am I the only
[16:41] Speaker 3: person that's offended by the idea that that how I
[16:45] Speaker 3: feel does not dictate my reality.
[16:47] Speaker 2: A lot of mystics, shamans and healers from basically every
[16:50] Speaker 2: civilization to ever exist would undoubtedly disagree with you there, Mike.
[16:55] Speaker 2: I mean, they might not get offended, but there have
[16:57] Speaker 2: been plenty of people in history that firmly believe that
[17:00] Speaker 2: their feelings do, in fact, dictate reality. And actually, that
[17:04] Speaker 2: includes Mike, given that he feels that his feelings about
[17:07] Speaker 2: gender are able to dictate the reality of someone's pronouns.
[17:11] Speaker 3: That I cannot create my identity based upon my impressions
[17:14] Speaker 3: of myself.
[17:15] Speaker 2: Tell me, Mike, what is your identity, if not your
[17:18] Speaker 2: impression of yourself? I imagine that you'd say being a
[17:21] Speaker 2: Christian is part of your identity, but as I pointed
[17:23] Speaker 2: out earlier, that's not based on biology, is it? Your
[17:26] Speaker 2: belief in God is a feeling that you have, and
[17:28] Speaker 2: your impression of yourself gets filtered through this belief and
[17:31] Speaker 2: incorporated into your identity. Who you are as a person,
[17:35] Speaker 2: your identity, is entirely based on feelings. Unless you want
[17:39] Speaker 2: to throw your lot in with biological essentialism, which, you know,
[17:42] Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me. There are a lot of Christians that
[17:44] Speaker 2: seem to want to do that nowadays. But biological essentialism
[17:47] Speaker 2: is only a hop, skip and a jump away from eugenics.
[17:49] Speaker 2: So I hope Mike sees why that's the wrong path
[17:52] Speaker 2: to go down.
[17:53] Speaker 3: Why does that offend me? Why am I so mad
[17:56] Speaker 3: about that? You've been trained to be mad about that.
[17:58] Speaker 3: You've been taught to be mad about that.
[18:01] Speaker 2: Mike, before you assume that I even am mad about that,
[18:03] Speaker 2: how about you examine your own beliefs here for a second?
[18:06] Speaker 2: Why are you offended or mad about the idea that
[18:09] Speaker 2: gender is a social construct, and as such isn't necessarily
[18:12] Speaker 2: tied to biology? Why can't you just let trans people exist?
[18:15] Speaker 2: They aren't doing you any harm, so why can't you
[18:17] Speaker 2: just be respectful? It's because you've been trained to be
[18:20] Speaker 2: mad about that, Mike.
[18:22] Speaker 3: If I feel different than I am, my feelings are wrong,
[18:26] Speaker 3: and my amness has not changed.
[18:29] Speaker 2: Your amness? Okay. Well, your feelings are a part of
[18:33] Speaker 2: who you are. So yes, if your feelings change, then
[18:36] Speaker 2: your am-ness does change. In what world are your feelings
[18:41] Speaker 2: about yourself not inextricably linked to who you are?
[18:44] Speaker 3: There's plenty of people out there who feel all sorts
[18:46] Speaker 3: of things about themselves. This is not new.
[18:50] Speaker 2: I thought you said this was new. If this is
[18:52] Speaker 2: not new, then why even try to make that point?
[18:56] Speaker 3: I remember there's people who believe that they're God. With
[18:59] Speaker 3: Mike's classic vagueness about this sort of thing, it's hard
[19:02] Speaker 3: to know for certain if I'm right here, but I
[19:04] Speaker 3: think he's talking about a scene from the 1987 TV movie,
[19:06] Speaker 3: Out on a Limb. Now, being a scripted scene, I
[19:07] Speaker 3: imagine that gives you the impression that this makes Mike
[19:10] Speaker 3: out to be a liar.
[19:27] Speaker 2: But it does actually kind of track with what he said,
[19:29] Speaker 2: as that movie was Shirley MacLaine's autobiography, so presumably something
[19:33] Speaker 2: like that actually did happen in her life. But notably
[19:35] Speaker 2: in the scene, the idea wasn't that she is God
[19:38] Speaker 2: in the sense that Christians mean when they say God.
[19:40] Speaker 2: It was more the idea that we all have God
[19:42] Speaker 2: within us, and we see in others what we see
[19:45] Speaker 2: in ourselves. So if you manage to see God in yourself,
[19:48] Speaker 2: then you'll think more highly of others, and so treat
[19:50] Speaker 2: them better.
[19:51] Speaker 3: No, wait, wait, wait, better than that.
[19:52] Speaker 2: I got the best one. This is the best one.
[19:54] Speaker 3: Just say, I am God. David, I can't say that.
[20:01] Speaker 2: See how little you think of yourself? You can't even.
[20:04] Speaker 3: Say the words? I am God.
[20:24] Speaker 1: I am God. A little louder, please.
[20:28] Speaker 3: Maybe a little more conviction.
[20:37] Speaker 2: I am God. I am... Look, if I'm God, what
[20:42] Speaker 2: does that make you? Well, we always see in others
[20:45] Speaker 2: what we see in ourselves.
[20:49] Speaker 3: I am God.
[20:58] Speaker 2: I am God.
[21:00] Speaker 3: I am God.
[21:03] Speaker 2: I am God.
[21:05] Speaker 3: I am God.
[21:07] Speaker 2: Honestly, that's kind of the same idea as the Christian
[21:10] Speaker 2: we are all made in the image of God thing.
[21:12] Speaker 2: Isn't murder supposedly wrong because humans are image bearers of
[21:15] Speaker 2: God and disrespecting the image of God is a grave sin?
[21:18] Speaker 2: What's the difference here?
[21:20] Speaker 3: And most people looked at her and thought, you're crazy. Like,
[21:22] Speaker 3: you're obviously not God. Even though she totally felt like God. Like,
[21:26] Speaker 3: she was not. You're not. You're just wrong. Your feelings
[21:28] Speaker 3: are wrong.
[21:29] Speaker 2: I know he said he didn't remember it, but she
[21:32] Speaker 2: very much did not feel like she was God in
[21:34] Speaker 2: that clip. She had to be talked into it and
[21:36] Speaker 2: was clearly uncomfortable with the whole thing. Now, the dude,
[21:39] Speaker 2: on the other hand, him you could make this point about.
[21:41] Speaker 2: But when has Mike ever really cared about being accurate?
[21:44] Speaker 2: Maybe instead of repeating half-remembered anecdotes, he should take a
[21:47] Speaker 2: second to, you know, check things. This isn't the first
[21:50] Speaker 2: time we've seen him botch something that would have been
[21:52] Speaker 2: easy for him to take a second to Google.
[21:54] Speaker 3: Frederick Wilhelm Nietzsche was a German philosopher, the article says,
[21:58] Speaker 3: cultural critic, poet, philologist, and I don't remember what a
[22:02] Speaker 3: philologist is. Is that like a philosopher? I mean, the
[22:06] Speaker 3: study of philo could be love? Philosophy? Wisdom? I don't know.
[22:13] Speaker 3: Same as the person who says, and catch this, this
[22:15] Speaker 3: is where I can help people. Well, now, Mike, you've
[22:17] Speaker 3: made me feel worthless. Oh, well, see here, I've helped
[22:21] Speaker 3: you because your feelings are wrong. You're not worthless. You
[22:25] Speaker 3: have great worth. You just don't feel it.
[22:27] Speaker 2: I agree that people have great worth. But do you
[22:29] Speaker 2: know what makes it easier for trans people to feel
[22:31] Speaker 2: the great worth that they have? When people are respectful
[22:34] Speaker 2: of their gender and don't tell them that they are
[22:36] Speaker 2: wrong about their identity because some 2,000-year-old book said that
[22:39] Speaker 2: God created them male and female. Especially when that same
[22:42] Speaker 2: book also says that there is no male and female.
[22:45] Speaker 3: You're not a female, you're a male. You just don't
[22:48] Speaker 3: feel it.
[22:49] Speaker 2: You know what? I think it's the smug-ass grin while
[22:52] Speaker 2: he's actively harming a marginalized community that bothers me the most.
[22:55] Speaker 2: He can't just spew his hate. He has to look
[22:57] Speaker 2: like he just had the best gotcha moment in human
[22:59] Speaker 2: history while doing it.
[23:02] Speaker 3: Let's fix the feelings. Let's not chop off body parts
[23:04] Speaker 3: and that sort of thing. This is.
[23:07] Speaker 3: The feelings are not creating your reality, and those feelings
[23:10] Speaker 3: will change over time, and it will be very self-destructive
[23:12] Speaker 3: if you feed into and chase those things as lifestyle.
[23:15] Speaker 3: It creates a temporary euphoria, but it creates a long-term harm.
[23:18] Speaker 2: To quote a 2025 systematic review looking at outcomes for
[23:21] Speaker 2: people who receive gender-affirming care, quote, gender-affirming care may improve
[23:25] Speaker 2: quality of life stigma, utilization of health services, and mental health.
[23:29] Speaker 2: No studies identified significant negative outcomes or harms. To quote
[23:32] Speaker 2: a 2026 review, quote, To quote the textbook pediatric endocrinology, quote,
[24:00] Speaker 2: Mental health comorbidities in gender dysphoric youth diminish or resolve
[24:03] Speaker 2: when such individuals are provided with gender-affirming treatment, optimally delivered
[24:07] Speaker 2: in a multidisciplinary setting. I'm sorry, Mike, but your feelings
[24:11] Speaker 2: that it creates long-term harm are just wrong. And that's
[24:15] Speaker 2: basically it for this one. He just repeats himself for
[24:17] Speaker 2: the rest of it. Today's comment of the day comes
[24:19] Speaker 2: to us from Libri in Diem and Tetsujin144, who both
[24:23] Speaker 2: point out a math error that I made in last
[24:25] Speaker 2: week's video. It's the same error, Except each pointed out
[24:28] Speaker 2: a different instance of me making it. So yeah, it
[24:34] Speaker 2: wasn't one hundredth of a percent of mass shooters being trans.
[24:37] Speaker 2: It was one tenth. My follow up to that one
[24:39] Speaker 2: was still somehow correct. There should have been 55 instead
[24:41] Speaker 2: of five trans mass shooters if they were proportionally represented
[24:44] Speaker 2: in the mass shooting population. But the first bit was off.
[24:47] Speaker 2: As to the ice didn't exist for 99 percent of
[24:49] Speaker 2: the history of the United States thing, that was just
[24:51] Speaker 2: me f * * * ing up the easiest percentage
[24:53] Speaker 2: there is to calculate. I have no excuse here. 23
[24:56] Speaker 2: out of 250 years is close enough to 10% that
[24:59] Speaker 2: I should have just gone with that without busting out
[25:01] Speaker 2: the calculator, but for some reason I ran the numbers
[25:03] Speaker 2: and then I misread the result. I know I've made
[25:05] Speaker 2: jokes about leading and trailing zeros messing me up in
[25:07] Speaker 2: the past, but god damn, these two mistakes are just
[25:10] Speaker 2: the easiest ones to get right. There was only one
[25:12] Speaker 2: zero I had to worry about in both cases. But yeah,
[25:15] Speaker 2: as always, I am an idiot, so don't take what
[25:18] Speaker 2: I say as the gospel truth. Check my sources, and
[25:20] Speaker 2: if I say something that seems off to you, dig
[25:22] Speaker 2: into it and learn some s * * t. If
[25:24] Speaker 2: I was wrong, tell me so I can learn s
[25:27] Speaker 2: * * t. Learning s * * t is cool.
[25:29] Speaker 2: Remember to bring sources, though. Unsourced comments are like the
[25:32] Speaker 2: worst possible source for anything on the internet. Anyway. Thanks
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