# Is RHOSLC Britani Bateman REALLY Man Crazy? Brian Austin Green Wants To Know!

An episode of [90210MG](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1534142827), 17 Sep 2026, 1 h 10 min.

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Ting, ting, ting! We have an announcement! RHOSLC Britani Bateman is opening up to Brian Austin Green about how two divorces led her to finding her self-worth, and learning to prioritize men less. Britani opens up about who she’s dating now, and what she’s excited to clear up on the latest season of Real Housewives. Email us at: IDOPOD@iheartradio.com or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763) Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTok See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Hello. I do part two. This is, I'm your celebrity mentor,
[0:13] Speaker 1: Brian Austin Green. And Ting, ting, ting. I have an announcement.
[0:27] Speaker 1: I do. I have an announcement. So today I'm talking
[0:30] Speaker 1: with singer, and we discussed it, singer, absolutely, actress, one
[0:35] Speaker 1: of the stars of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,
[0:38] Speaker 1: Brittany Bateman. Hello.
[0:39] Speaker 2: Hi, Brian.
[0:40] Speaker 1: We have never met before. This is amazing. This is
[0:42] Speaker 1: so much fun. I love this.
[0:43] Speaker 2: It feels like we have. Like, you just instantly feel
[0:45] Speaker 2: like one of those people that, ting, ting, ting, I
[0:47] Speaker 2: have an announcement. Brian and I are friends, so.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, who knows how long this friendship will last?
[0:54] Speaker 1: You never, ever know. I always say it's really fun
[0:58] Speaker 1: sitting down with new people because, as I said, I
[1:02] Speaker 1: don't research a lot. I really enjoy sitting down with
[1:05] Speaker 1: people I don't know and going, hey, let's both of
[1:08] Speaker 1: us connect. Let's both talk about some real things. I'll
[1:11] Speaker 1: ask you some questions. You'll ask me some. We'll get
[1:13] Speaker 1: into it. the weeds of all of it. And it
[1:16] Speaker 1: kind of makes for a fun listen, I think for fans,
[1:18] Speaker 1: you know, because I love that they get sit down
[1:21] Speaker 1: interviews with you. Right. So they know all the stuff
[1:24] Speaker 1: about the show and they watch the episodes and they, but.
[1:27] Speaker 2: This is, let's get to the real stuff.
[1:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like let's jump in.
[1:30] Speaker 2: Let's get underneath it all.
[1:32] Speaker 1: We've both lived lives. Like we've had a lot of
[1:37] Speaker 1: life that we've lived. We've had a lot of times
[1:40] Speaker 1: where we have fallen. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:45] Speaker 2: Crawl back out of the grave. Crawl out of the hole.
[1:48] Speaker 1: But I think that's the thing, though, that separates people.
[1:51] Speaker 1: You know, you have some people that fall and they
[1:56] Speaker 1: just sort of wallow in it. They define themselves by that.
[1:58] Speaker 1: And they don't know how to get out of it.
[2:00] Speaker 2: Well, yeah. And success is determined by how tenaciously you
[2:04] Speaker 2: climb back out of the hole. Because everyone fails. And
[2:08] Speaker 2: the winners are the ones.
[2:09] Speaker 1: That have failed thousands of times. And I welcome failure
[2:11] Speaker 1: in a weird way. Like, I never thought when I
[2:13] Speaker 1: was younger I would say that. But I welcome failure
[2:16] Speaker 1: because looking back on it, not in the moment. In
[2:20] Speaker 1: the moment, you're like, this is the worst. Why am
[2:22] Speaker 1: I going through this right now? Like, what did I
[2:24] Speaker 1: do to deserve this? But then you look back on
[2:28] Speaker 1: all of it and you go, man, what a catalyst
[2:30] Speaker 1: for change for me. What a great experience I went
[2:34] Speaker 1: through because I learned so much from that. I grew
[2:37] Speaker 1: so much from that.
[2:39] Speaker 2: Well, if you are determined to get to the finish line,
[2:42] Speaker 2: then every failure is just another step to get there.
[2:45] Speaker 1: Sure.
[2:45] Speaker 2: I mean, the only failure really is giving up.
[2:49] Speaker 1: Good one. Right? Ting, ting, ting. Boom. Mic drop. These
[2:54] Speaker 1: mics are on stand, so we can't drop them, and
[2:57] Speaker 1: iHeart would be pissed if we did because we could
[2:59] Speaker 1: break something.
[3:00] Speaker 2: That's true. That's fair.
[3:02] Speaker 1: But— Yeah, and that kind of, so the show is
[3:05] Speaker 1: called I Do Part Two, and it's really jumping into
[3:09] Speaker 1: this concept of people in the world have gone through
[3:13] Speaker 1: multiple relationships, and you've kind of gotten to a point
[3:16] Speaker 1: where you go, how did I get here? I didn't
[3:19] Speaker 1: expect it. I was married for almost 10 years in
[3:23] Speaker 1: a relationship for 15, and we had three kids, and
[3:27] Speaker 1: then all of a sudden we are divorced.
[3:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, how did that happen?
[3:34] Speaker 1: Well, a whole series of events.
[3:35] Speaker 2: What's the quick Reader's Digest version? It's... People don't say
[3:40] Speaker 2: that anymore.
[3:40] Speaker 1: Reader's Digest version. I think it's important to figure out
[3:47] Speaker 1: what path you're on in life. And you find people
[3:52] Speaker 1: where you go, we're on the same path. Yeah, let's
[3:54] Speaker 1: do this path together. And then you sort of grow
[3:57] Speaker 1: in different directions. And my ex-wife and I grew in
[4:00] Speaker 1: completely different directions. She was... younger than me. Um, she
[4:05] Speaker 1: really got in sort of early on my life. I
[4:08] Speaker 1: already had a child. She went through a lot with
[4:12] Speaker 1: me and I think she got to the point in
[4:15] Speaker 1: life where she was like, I don't feel like I've
[4:17] Speaker 1: really lived enough of my life.
[4:20] Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. Yeah.
[4:21] Speaker 1: So her path went in a different, in a different
[4:25] Speaker 1: way and divergence. It's, It's hard because there are times
[4:29] Speaker 1: where you go, God, why is this happening? But the
[4:31] Speaker 1: reality is it's happening. You can't do anything to change
[4:36] Speaker 1: the course of it. So you just sort of ride
[4:38] Speaker 1: it and you go, okay.
[4:39] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you can't control other people, but it, yeah, you,
[4:44] Speaker 2: you hope that there's something that we can do to
[4:46] Speaker 2: stay aligned. It's alignment.
[4:49] Speaker 1: Really.
[4:49] Speaker 2: That's what you're saying.
[4:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[4:50] Speaker 2: It's alignment and you become disaligned or misaligned and, And
[4:55] Speaker 2: you just, even one degree, you just veer off.
[4:57] Speaker 1: Alignment is a hard thing though, because sometimes you go
[4:59] Speaker 1: into relationships thinking you want something that you don't actually want.
[5:03] Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting.
[5:04] Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I really, well, I really want to
[5:07] Speaker 1: settle down and I want to have a family and
[5:09] Speaker 1: I want to do a thing. And then as you're
[5:11] Speaker 1: getting into it and it starts getting really serious and heavy,
[5:14] Speaker 1: you start second guessing it and going, am I really
[5:17] Speaker 1: ready for this? And I think a lot of people
[5:20] Speaker 1: do that. A lot of people think, you know, okay,
[5:23] Speaker 1: our relationship is great, but getting married, having a family,
[5:27] Speaker 1: that's what we're missing. And then they have that and
[5:31] Speaker 1: then they go, that wasn't at all what we were missing.
[5:34] Speaker 1: I think we were missing much more of a genuine
[5:37] Speaker 1: connection and it's not something that was fixed by saying
[5:41] Speaker 1: I do, having kids. But you don't really know that
[5:46] Speaker 1: until you're in it.
[5:47] Speaker 2: That's true. An emotional connection is something that is a
[5:51] Speaker 2: life in and of itself and nothing you can do.
[5:55] Speaker 2: Like you can bring your spouse or your partner roses
[5:59] Speaker 2: every day, but that doesn't necessarily make you more connected emotionally.
[6:03] Speaker 2: You can say, oh, but I do this for you
[6:04] Speaker 2: and I do that for you and you should feel
[6:07] Speaker 2: emotionally connected to me. Well, that's not what emotional connection is.
[6:12] Speaker 1: Right.
[6:12] Speaker 2: It's an intangible something where you hold space for the
[6:16] Speaker 2: other person and their wants, their desires, their belief system.
[6:20] Speaker 1: Do you believe in love languages? Oh, yeah.
[6:24] Speaker 2: Definitely.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Do you know what yours is?
[6:27] Speaker 2: I haven't read the book. I mean, I think it's.
[6:30] Speaker 1: So mine is acts of service. Is it?
[6:32] Speaker 2: Okay, mine is too. I feel the.
[6:35] Speaker 1: Best when people... Do things for me because then I
[6:39] Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I'm at the forefront of your mind.
[6:42] Speaker 1: You know, it's like you have your busy day, you
[6:44] Speaker 1: have all your stuff, but you made sure that, and
[6:46] Speaker 1: it's little things. It could be a cup of coffee
[6:48] Speaker 1: in the morning before work. It could be these, it's
[6:51] Speaker 1: just these tiny little things. But then I think sometimes
[6:55] Speaker 1: we get so caught up in what our own love
[6:58] Speaker 1: language is. that we don't really pay attention to what
[7:01] Speaker 1: the other person's love language is.
[7:03] Speaker 2: And that's emotional connection.
[7:05] Speaker 1: That's emotional connection.
[7:05] Speaker 2: Holding space for their love languages, not just like giving
[7:09] Speaker 2: what you like to receive. That's the trick.
[7:12] Speaker 1: That's hard to do though.
[7:13] Speaker 2: It's hard to do.
[7:15] Speaker 1: When you're younger and you're in that space of like,
[7:17] Speaker 1: I just want to feel good myself.
[7:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:19] Speaker 1: You forget that like, oh, the other person has to
[7:23] Speaker 1: feel good also.
[7:24] Speaker 2: Yeah. When you're young, you're just kind of naturally selfish.
[7:28] Speaker 2: And one thing about, yeah, you have to sort of
[7:31] Speaker 2: grow out of that. And hopefully as a couple, you
[7:35] Speaker 2: grow together in alignment through your selfishness and you become
[7:39] Speaker 2: unselfish together. Or if you don't, you just grow apart.
[7:44] Speaker 1: Are you born and raised in Salt Lake City?
[7:46] Speaker 2: I was born in Provo and then moved to California
[7:50] Speaker 2: until I grew up in California, Southern and the Northern.
[7:54] Speaker 2: And then I went to BYU. Okay.
[7:55] Speaker 1: Okay.
[7:55] Speaker 2: Brigham Young back in Utah and just stayed.
[7:58] Speaker 1: And just stayed. Yeah. And how.
[8:00] Speaker 2: Got married there and.
[8:02] Speaker 1: And you've been married twice.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Yes. I know.
[8:05] Speaker 1: Well, no.
[8:06] Speaker 2: I know.
[8:06] Speaker 1: But there's, again, there is that past though. A lot
[8:08] Speaker 1: of chapters. Where you look back and you go, man,
[8:11] Speaker 1: this is like, these are the things that define me
[8:13] Speaker 1: and really made me understand what I want, what I
[8:16] Speaker 1: don't want.
[8:17] Speaker 2: The refiner's fire, as they say.
[8:19] Speaker 1: Who I am, what I'm good at, what I suck at. Right. Like.
[8:23] Speaker 1: I wouldn't change it. I got out of my marriage
[8:25] Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I need therapy because I
[8:30] Speaker 1: don't want to do the same things that I did
[8:34] Speaker 1: poorly in this last relationship. I don't want to keep
[8:37] Speaker 1: reliving that. I want to learn and grow from it.
[8:40] Speaker 2: Yes. Amazing. Have you gotten therapy?
[8:43] Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
[8:44] Speaker 2: Good.
[8:45] Speaker 1: Still.
[8:46] Speaker 2: In the form of talk therapy, like with a therapist?
[8:49] Speaker 1: Well, talk therapy....
[8:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[8:54] Speaker 1: But I, so therapy for me was, I, I didn't
[8:59] Speaker 1: grow up in a household with like healthy debate. I've
[9:03] Speaker 1: talked about this before. I grew up in a household
[9:05] Speaker 1: where my parents were, were from these much more rigid
[9:12] Speaker 1: families when they were younger, you know, products of the
[9:15] Speaker 1: forties and the fifties and all that. And so, um,
[9:18] Speaker 1: more traditional, yeah. Relationships with with your kids was your
[9:22] Speaker 1: kids are meant to be seen and not heard. Yes.
[9:24] Speaker 1: So it was like, listen, I, you know, this is
[9:26] Speaker 1: the way to do it. Just listen to me. I've
[9:29] Speaker 1: got you. Like, I don't want you to free think
[9:32] Speaker 1: at all. Like I've learned. So it was very much
[9:34] Speaker 1: the same, a lot of the same.
[9:36] Speaker 2: Concept when I was a kid.
[9:38] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It was just like, why free thing? I
[9:40] Speaker 1: know that I've done all of this. I know the
[9:42] Speaker 1: better way to do this and handle it. So just try,
[9:45] Speaker 1: just listen. But the problem with that.
[9:47] Speaker 2: Basically every religion.
[9:48] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly. The problem with that is that you
[9:52] Speaker 1: don't allow people then to fall and say, ouch, and
[9:57] Speaker 1: learn from situations and grow. Fair. by the time I
[10:00] Speaker 1: was in my late 20s, where I should have already
[10:05] Speaker 1: done all of that, I was brand new in it.
[10:09] Speaker 2: Wow.
[10:10] Speaker 1: I was like, because I started working when I was
[10:13] Speaker 1: nine and I was doing the show from 17 to 27.
[10:15] Speaker 1: So I just.
[10:20] Speaker 1: Was my, my mom was my business manager. My dad
[10:23] Speaker 1: was my manager. Like it was just very, it was
[10:26] Speaker 1: this very sort of strange circle that I was in
[10:30] Speaker 1: where if it works, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[10:34] Speaker 2: Right.
[10:35] Speaker 1: Right. That was sort of fascinating.
[10:37] Speaker 2: So almost like arrested development a little bit.
[10:39] Speaker 1: Like arrested development.
[10:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[10:41] Speaker 1: And then when I got to the point where I
[10:43] Speaker 1: was like, I should really be on my own making
[10:45] Speaker 1: some of these decisions.
[10:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[10:47] Speaker 1: It's like, I have, I don't know. I don't know
[10:48] Speaker 1: the first thing. any of these things.
[10:51] Speaker 2: Hey, at least your brain was developed when you figured
[10:53] Speaker 2: that out because your brain develops about 25. So, Hey,
[10:56] Speaker 2: you had that going for you.
[10:58] Speaker 1: I had that going for me. And then coming out
[11:00] Speaker 1: of the marriage, I was like, okay, let me like
[11:02] Speaker 1: really figure out the stuff that I'm not good at that,
[11:06] Speaker 1: that I didn't develop when I was younger.
[11:08] Speaker 2: What do you think that was? Um, can you pinpoint it?
[11:13] Speaker 1: Listening very well. My communication skills, um, My ability to
[11:17] Speaker 1: step back out of myself and not make it all
[11:20] Speaker 1: about me all the time.
[11:21] Speaker 2: Are you an empath?
[11:23] Speaker 1: I am an empath. Yeah. Yeah. For sure, I am.
[11:27] Speaker 1: But I didn't... Because I wasn't good at listening and
[11:33] Speaker 1: really being empathetic with people, I didn't understand my abilities.
[11:41] Speaker 1: And I didn't know that I could... sit with people
[11:45] Speaker 1: and really be a safe place for people to sort
[11:47] Speaker 1: of speak and live. And we could create an amazing
[11:50] Speaker 1: connection with that. But you have to be aware. Yeah.
[11:54] Speaker 1: You have to be in a place where you go,
[11:56] Speaker 1: I'm going to put myself. Yeah. Yeah. How are you? Yeah.
[12:00] Speaker 2: And then like genuinely be interested.
[12:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people aren't. Yeah. Yeah.
[12:06] Speaker 2: That's so true. It's rare.
[12:08] Speaker 1: It's super rare. How, how, I want to get into
[12:12] Speaker 1: the show a little bit. Just a hair. Just a
[12:17] Speaker 1: tiny little, you know, it's like seasoning. A little morsel. Yeah. Okay. It's,
[12:21] Speaker 1: you know, pasta sauce isn't good without the little things
[12:24] Speaker 1: in it. I was thinking about this before. This has
[12:27] Speaker 1: got to be, I would assume, it's got to be
[12:31] Speaker 1: really difficult to be on a show like you're on because...
[12:38] Speaker 1: In a sense, you are playing yourself, but you're playing
[12:41] Speaker 1: a heightened version of yourself. And then it's edited. It's
[12:45] Speaker 1: a story that's told by other people. They have free
[12:49] Speaker 1: reign to sort of do that. How is that? Do
[12:53] Speaker 1: you feel really misunderstood? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[12:57] Speaker 2: And I think that, I mean, I kind of knew that's,
[13:00] Speaker 2: I knew what I was signing up for a little bit.
[13:03] Speaker 2: I'd watched a couple episodes before I signed the contract
[13:06] Speaker 2: and started filming. But I didn't really know what I
[13:09] Speaker 2: was getting myself into. I wish that I had been
[13:12] Speaker 2: more prepared. And in fact, I was ill prepared for... How.
[13:15] Speaker 1: Do you feel you could have been more prepared?
[13:18] Speaker 2: If I had just watched the show.
[13:19] Speaker 1: Right.
[13:20] Speaker 2: If I had just watched Housewives to know like what
[13:23] Speaker 2: it was about and how you become kind of almost
[13:27] Speaker 2: a caricature of yourself.
[13:29] Speaker 1: Sure.
[13:29] Speaker 2: It's not really... The layers are only what editing and
[13:34] Speaker 2: producers want people to see.
[13:36] Speaker 1: Sure. They find out quickly what part you can play
[13:40] Speaker 1: in it. And then they go, okay, we need this
[13:42] Speaker 1: type of a character. We need this type of a character.
[13:44] Speaker 1: We need the one that everybody's always rooting for. And
[13:46] Speaker 1: they're always like, oh, poor thing. I hope she figures
[13:49] Speaker 1: it out. And then they run with it. Yeah.
[13:52] Speaker 2: And like you said, it's, it's a heightened version of yourself.
[13:55] Speaker 1: Yes.
[13:55] Speaker 2: It's you. And, and you're not playing anything. You're just
[13:58] Speaker 2: showing up. You're just showing up on the job as you,
[14:01] Speaker 2: and you don't know what you're getting yourself into. That's
[14:04] Speaker 2: even if you knew what you were getting yourself into.
[14:05] Speaker 1: Are you ever playing at all or are you genuinely
[14:08] Speaker 1: like you are yourself and they create everything then?
[14:11] Speaker 2: I am absolutely myself. I think some people are performative,
[14:15] Speaker 2: but I am, and I'm just performative by nature. That's
[14:18] Speaker 2: just me. I'm kind of a drama queen. I'm just
[14:21] Speaker 2: a theater nerd.
[14:21] Speaker 1: Are you? Yeah.
[14:23] Speaker 2: So like I show up and I'm funny and I'm
[14:26] Speaker 2: dramatic and I try to add levity. But man, they're
[14:30] Speaker 2: quick to slap you down and put you in your place.
[14:33] Speaker 2: The other ladies.
[14:44] Speaker 1: Is it a prerequisite? Like do the producers, when they're
[14:47] Speaker 1: going through names and faces of people, do they find,
[14:51] Speaker 1: do they find women that generally do not, um, get
[14:56] Speaker 1: along well with other women? Cause it seems very much like.
[15:01] Speaker 1: You're putting a bunch of people that shouldn't be around
[15:03] Speaker 1: other people all together in a room. That's funny. And
[15:07] Speaker 1: you're going, you guys duke it out. And we just
[15:09] Speaker 1: want to shoot it.
[15:09] Speaker 2: It's going to be great TV. Well, I think that, yeah,
[15:12] Speaker 2: I mean, you do make a good point. They pick
[15:14] Speaker 2: alpha females for sure.
[15:15] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:16] Speaker 2: Like we are all alpha females. Like in our other
[15:18] Speaker 2: friend groups, we are.
[15:19] Speaker 1: All the leader.
[15:20] Speaker 2: We're all the queen bee.
[15:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[15:22] Speaker 2: And you put a whole bunch of queen bees in
[15:24] Speaker 2: one hive and you're going to get some stings.
[15:27] Speaker 1: And then they force you guys to get together. Like
[15:31] Speaker 1: they give you schedules of what your day is going
[15:33] Speaker 1: to be, right? They kind of come up with some ideas.
[15:35] Speaker 2: Yes and no. I mean, we do have a lot
[15:37] Speaker 2: of say. Like they ask us, you know, not to
[15:40] Speaker 2: get too much in the weeds of how production goes
[15:42] Speaker 2: because they don't like us talking about that. But we
[15:45] Speaker 2: have some say in our schedules and who we want
[15:47] Speaker 2: to film with and who we don't want to film with.
[15:50] Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, so in that regard, it's very authentic.
[15:55] Speaker 1: It's fantastic. It's fascinating for me. So being, being an actor,
[16:00] Speaker 1: I get praise.
[16:01] Speaker 2: Which you're great by the way.
[16:03] Speaker 1: Thank you. I get praise for being different characters. Like
[16:08] Speaker 1: I can go on a set and be a completely disturbed,
[16:11] Speaker 1: horrible human being. And people clap at the end of
[16:14] Speaker 1: the day. They go, that was great. You are yourself
[16:19] Speaker 1: or you're a version of yourself, but it's all under
[16:21] Speaker 1: your name. So you are highly scrutinized, but, you're edited
[16:28] Speaker 1: to be a character just like any other actor.
[16:31] Speaker 2: So true. Well, I've done scripted too. So I've been
[16:33] Speaker 2: in your shoes as well. Yeah.
[16:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[16:36] Speaker 2: And that's, it's just different because you're thinking when you're
[16:39] Speaker 2: doing scripted, you're acting is just thinking and you're thinking
[16:42] Speaker 2: the thoughts of whoever this person is. And then whatever
[16:46] Speaker 2: that ends up coming out as is what it comes
[16:48] Speaker 2: out as. So yeah. As an actor, as an actress,
[16:52] Speaker 2: it's difficult sometimes to think those thoughts of someone that
[16:56] Speaker 2: is evil or manipulative because.
[16:59] Speaker 1: You have to think those thoughts. But that's the fun
[17:01] Speaker 1: of what it is we do. It is.
[17:02] Speaker 2: We get to sort of like play with that.
[17:04] Speaker 1: And then we get to put it on a shelf.
[17:05] Speaker 1: I get to do things at the end of the
[17:06] Speaker 1: day where it's like, I would never in a million
[17:08] Speaker 1: years be this guy. Right.
[17:10] Speaker 2: But it's kind of fun. But in reality, you're thinking
[17:14] Speaker 2: your own thoughts. You have your own motivations. You have
[17:17] Speaker 2: your own objectives. You're acting solely as yourself. And so
[17:23] Speaker 2: you have to be accountable for all of your actions
[17:25] Speaker 2: as well at the end of the day, no matter
[17:27] Speaker 2: how it's edited. You were still the one that said
[17:30] Speaker 2: that thing. You're still the one that did that thing.
[17:33] Speaker 2: And so you still have to be accountable.
[17:34] Speaker 1: Context can be changed though. And that's what's done in editing.
[17:37] Speaker 1: All of a sudden you go, that is not how
[17:41] Speaker 1: I said it or where I said it or what
[17:43] Speaker 1: I was responding to.
[17:44] Speaker 2: That's hard.
[17:45] Speaker 1: It's the same thing for me with like press and
[17:47] Speaker 1: texts and all that. I hate, I hate them. So
[17:51] Speaker 1: I did a little research on you.
[17:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[17:55] Speaker 1: Shocking, right? um just to get a sense of because
[17:59] Speaker 1: i think it's really interesting in what it is we're
[18:01] Speaker 1: talking about and i i wanted to see the dominant
[18:03] Speaker 1: criticism that viewers of the show have.
[18:07] Speaker 2: Of you yeah this is interesting.
[18:10] Speaker 1: Yeah and they're just really they're interest they're interesting to
[18:12] Speaker 1: hear because i want you being able to step back
[18:15] Speaker 1: and go okay this is the version of me that
[18:17] Speaker 1: they see on the show so this isn't criticism of
[18:20] Speaker 1: you right it's the same way i feel about um
[18:23] Speaker 1: comments yeah i laugh because it's like you don't know
[18:26] Speaker 1: me so exactly you're not actually making that comment to
[18:28] Speaker 1: me you're making that comment to whatever you think.
[18:31] Speaker 2: No 100 yeah yeah and i read every comment they
[18:34] Speaker 2: say don't read them but i do.
[18:35] Speaker 1: Oh my god but they're funny like the ones that
[18:37] Speaker 1: are hysterical i literally repost and i with a laughing
[18:41] Speaker 1: emoji and i go oh my god this is genius.
[18:43] Speaker 2: This is so great and some of them are quite
[18:45] Speaker 2: witty Like the insults are so witty. I just, I
[18:48] Speaker 2: have to just like give them props for that.
[18:50] Speaker 1: And I separate myself from them because it's like social
[18:52] Speaker 1: media is all of you that are following me that
[18:55] Speaker 1: are commenting. Yeah. You know, the version of myself that
[18:58] Speaker 1: you see in things. Right. So, but it's not really.
[19:01] Speaker 2: And you're lovely in person, by the way.
[19:03] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[19:04] Speaker 2: Same, same.
[19:05] Speaker 1: This is so much fun.
[19:06] Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm dying here.
[19:07] Speaker 1: Okay.
[19:08] Speaker 2: Without further ado.
[19:08] Speaker 1: The dominant criticism that viewers have of you is that
[19:13] Speaker 1: you are attention seeking and You're emotionally immature. Yes. You're
[19:18] Speaker 1: overly focused on men. And sometimes you are spectacularly unable
[19:24] Speaker 1: to read the room. I love that one.
[19:28] Speaker 2: And I would say all of those are absolutely true.
[19:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[19:32] Speaker 2: Yes.
[19:33] Speaker 1: True.
[19:35] Speaker 2: Let me let me see that. Let me see that.
[19:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. Please.
[19:38] Speaker 2: Emotionally mature, check. Yes, I am emotionally mature sometimes. Attention seeking, always.
[19:44] Speaker 1: Right. Hello. Who isn't attention seeking?
[19:46] Speaker 2: Overly focused on men. I have been at times, sadly.
[19:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[19:50] Speaker 2: I've, I've seeked validation from men just based on my
[19:54] Speaker 2: past experiences and, um, thank heavens I'm not doing that anymore.
[20:00] Speaker 2: I'm not even interested in dating anymore. I'm, I'm taking
[20:03] Speaker 2: a break. I'm choosing, I'm dating myself. I'm choosing myself now.
[20:05] Speaker 2: That's great. So I'm spectacularly unable to read the room.
[20:10] Speaker 1: I love that one because I was like, Oh, that's
[20:13] Speaker 1: a very, yeah.
[20:14] Speaker 2: There's some, Oh, there's such great moments. Yeah. I'm just
[20:18] Speaker 2: living my own life kind of on the Brittany Island.
[20:21] Speaker 1: Sometimes what's really funny is I read this also, there's
[20:24] Speaker 1: this like substantial counter argument that you are exactly what
[20:29] Speaker 1: a housewife is supposed to be, that you're unpredictable and,
[20:33] Speaker 1: That you're earnest to the point of awkwardness. You're unintentionally funny.
[20:38] Speaker 1: You're willing to embarrass yourself.
[20:39] Speaker 2: That's true.
[20:40] Speaker 1: You constantly create situations for the other women to react to.
[20:43] Speaker 1: Do you find that that's the truth also?
[20:48] Speaker 2: Yes, it's all true. I can't deny any of that.
[20:51] Speaker 1: It's really interesting. All of it is in your perception
[20:55] Speaker 1: of somebody. I think the world is absolutely there's a
[21:02] Speaker 1: perception to each thing. I have this conversation with people
[21:05] Speaker 1: all the time that are turning 50. And they're like,
[21:08] Speaker 1: oh my God, I haven't accomplished anywhere near what I
[21:12] Speaker 1: wanted to by the time I was 50. So they
[21:15] Speaker 1: go right into complete midlife crisis and just melt down
[21:18] Speaker 1: in it. They're like, oh, I had all these things.
[21:20] Speaker 1: That's a perception. Other perception, the flip side is okay,
[21:25] Speaker 1: this is the second act of my life. Right. My God,
[21:28] Speaker 1: the first act, I lived such a long life. I
[21:30] Speaker 1: did so many things. Right. This one, I get to
[21:33] Speaker 1: start right now. I don't have to be in school.
[21:36] Speaker 2: Right.
[21:36] Speaker 1: I don't have to like be awkward and uncomfortable and
[21:39] Speaker 1: figuring out who I am. Right. I get to start
[21:41] Speaker 1: right now. So this is super exciting. Who do I
[21:44] Speaker 1: want to be? Uh-huh. It's just a perception.
[21:47] Speaker 2: It's a perception.
[21:48] Speaker 1: Yep. It's just, it's just looking at something from a
[21:50] Speaker 1: different point of view.
[21:52] Speaker 2: I choose B. I choose B. I mean, 50s have
[21:55] Speaker 2: been the best decade of my life. For those reasons, exactly.
[21:59] Speaker 2: We get to choose. We get to choose. I mean,
[22:02] Speaker 2: everything in my life right now at this moment until
[22:04] Speaker 2: the robots kill us in about less than a decade.
[22:07] Speaker 1: It's coming soon. I've been reading the news and apparently
[22:10] Speaker 1: everyone that's created the AI is like, ooh, we should
[22:12] Speaker 1: slow it down.
[22:13] Speaker 2: Hitting the stop button.
[22:14] Speaker 1: You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
[22:16] Speaker 2: Eject, eject.
[22:17] Speaker 1: Like it is, it's out.
[22:19] Speaker 2: But I'm living my absolute best life. Kids are raised.
[22:22] Speaker 2: I'm back with my kids. We got estranged for a
[22:24] Speaker 2: minute there. And this season, we're going to start to
[22:27] Speaker 2: see why I was estranged from my kids. People had
[22:30] Speaker 2: a lot of harsh judgment about that. That was the
[22:33] Speaker 2: painful part. I can say yes to all this stuff
[22:35] Speaker 2: because it doesn't matter. Like if I'm unable to read
[22:38] Speaker 2: a room, who cares? It's funny, whatever. I can laugh
[22:41] Speaker 2: at myself.
[22:41] Speaker 1: Who gives a shit?
[22:42] Speaker 2: Who gives a shit?
[22:42] Speaker 1: And I'll get better at all these things that I'm
[22:44] Speaker 1: not good at. Exactly. You're aware of them.
[22:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[22:47] Speaker 1: That's the thing.
[22:48] Speaker 2: Oh, and they're absolutely true. And so what? Who cares?
[22:52] Speaker 2: But the kids thing, that was breaking my heart because-
[22:55] Speaker 2: The first two seasons I was on, it really did
[22:59] Speaker 2: look like, from the way it was edited, the way
[23:01] Speaker 2: the story was told, and I couldn't say otherwise. I
[23:04] Speaker 2: was legally bound to just sort of bite my tongue.
[23:07] Speaker 1: Shut up.
[23:08] Speaker 2: Uh-huh. And this season, finally, we're scratching the surface on
[23:13] Speaker 2: why exactly I was estranged from my children. And thank
[23:16] Speaker 2: heavens we're all back together and doing better than ever
[23:19] Speaker 2: because there's no worse pain than having some kind of
[23:23] Speaker 2: barrier between your kids. I mean, oh, my precious babies.
[23:28] Speaker 1: Right.
[23:28] Speaker 2: So anyway, that's all.
[23:29] Speaker 1: Well, and people speak it, people speak it too, in
[23:32] Speaker 1: a sense of like, it's just a thing. And it's like, no,
[23:36] Speaker 1: this is my heart. This is, I, I'm great with comments.
[23:41] Speaker 1: Like I can completely brush them off. But when someone
[23:44] Speaker 1: is commenting on me as a parent with my kids,
[23:47] Speaker 1: it hits in a different. No, it does.
[23:49] Speaker 2: It hits, it hits really low.
[23:51] Speaker 1: It hurts because it's, There's no more, to me, there's
[23:54] Speaker 1: no more important job in my life.
[23:57] Speaker 2: I say that. I say that all the time. There's
[23:59] Speaker 2: no more important job in your life than raising children,
[24:03] Speaker 2: than doing a good.
[24:04] Speaker 1: Best job. And these people making these comments, they don't
[24:06] Speaker 1: know how you are as a parent. They don't know
[24:09] Speaker 1: how you are with your kids at home. They don't
[24:11] Speaker 1: know what you're doing. They're seeing these tiny little bits
[24:13] Speaker 1: and they're trying to make these sort of assessments on
[24:16] Speaker 1: their own. It's like, you guys are not qualified.
[24:19] Speaker 2: Right, right. You do not know the nuanced nature. of
[24:23] Speaker 2: the ins and outs of what has happened. So that,
[24:27] Speaker 2: that hits hard. And those kinds of comments I do
[24:29] Speaker 2: respond to, not with like a ha ha, but like
[24:33] Speaker 2: with respect, you have no idea what we've been through
[24:36] Speaker 2: and just wait, just wait. And hopefully you can have
[24:39] Speaker 2: some compassion and understanding for what we've all been through.
[24:43] Speaker 1: There are certain times when I read comments and I,
[24:46] Speaker 1: and like you, I try not to respond to any
[24:49] Speaker 1: of them, but there are some where I go, you
[24:51] Speaker 1: know what? This is, an opportunity for a conversation that
[24:57] Speaker 1: I think this person needs to hear and have also
[25:01] Speaker 1: to get them out of this sense of just being judgmental.
[25:05] Speaker 1: Like take a step back. And I have this conversation
[25:09] Speaker 1: sometimes politically with people, not so much now because it
[25:13] Speaker 1: seems like things have sort of evened out a little bit.
[25:16] Speaker 1: You know, you've got the one side and it's sort
[25:18] Speaker 1: of slowing down and realizing like, okay, yeah, maybe I
[25:21] Speaker 1: was misled a little bit. Um, but it was, you know,
[25:26] Speaker 1: I always would have, I would always approach these conversations
[25:30] Speaker 1: with love and kindness and go, okay, listen, I'm not
[25:34] Speaker 1: here to judge you. Um, you feel the way you feel.
[25:39] Speaker 1: I feel the way I feel. I don't understand your
[25:41] Speaker 1: side at all. So please just explain it to me
[25:44] Speaker 1: and then I'll explain my side. Yeah. And then we'll
[25:47] Speaker 1: see if, if either one of us learn from it
[25:50] Speaker 1: and grow with it.
[25:51] Speaker 2: And it's, does it work? Does it usually work?
[25:53] Speaker 1: Incredibly well.
[25:54] Speaker 2: Good, me too.
[25:55] Speaker 1: By the end, I have people going, I'm so, thank
[25:58] Speaker 1: you so much for having this conversation. It's completely changed
[26:01] Speaker 1: my views on this thing or that thing. I'll never
[26:05] Speaker 1: again approach things this way. I'll never again comment this way. Oh,
[26:09] Speaker 1: that's so sweet.
[26:10] Speaker 2: You made a difference.
[26:11] Speaker 1: But it's amazing that you can do that.
[26:12] Speaker 2: Grassroots level, one person at a time, one comment at
[26:14] Speaker 2: a time.
[26:14] Speaker 1: But it's just listening. It's just being willing to go
[26:17] Speaker 1: in and have a real conversation.
[26:19] Speaker 2: It's holding space for someone else's opinion and asking them
[26:22] Speaker 2: to do the same. That's what we're talking about.
[26:24] Speaker 1: People are in this place where it's like we're so
[26:26] Speaker 1: judged all the time. Right. People just want to be
[26:29] Speaker 1: able to speak and feel without being judged. It's like
[26:32] Speaker 1: you can, your thoughts can be wrong. Mm-hmm. They can
[26:37] Speaker 1: be skewed in one way based on just the one
[26:41] Speaker 1: source that you're getting those views from. So kind of
[26:45] Speaker 1: get all the views and then let's all make these
[26:49] Speaker 1: choices together after we are as educated as we can.
[26:53] Speaker 2: Exactly. And I think that they don't know. I think
[26:56] Speaker 2: that people commenting just a random nasty comment don't actually
[27:01] Speaker 2: think that there's a person on the other side that
[27:03] Speaker 2: it's affecting. And so when I comment back, they're like, Oh, you're,
[27:07] Speaker 2: you're actually a person.
[27:08] Speaker 1: Okay.
[27:09] Speaker 2: And I hurt your feelings.
[27:11] Speaker 1: Oh, well, okay.
[27:11] Speaker 2: Let's talk about this. You know what I mean? We
[27:13] Speaker 2: have this really cool.
[27:14] Speaker 1: Opportunity to like, um, level the playing field a little bit.
[27:18] Speaker 1: Like you do what you do. I do what I do,
[27:20] Speaker 1: but we all have the same issues. We all have
[27:24] Speaker 1: the same things going on. It doesn't matter where you live, what,
[27:28] Speaker 1: You know, there may be variances to them based on
[27:30] Speaker 1: the house that I live in. Right. But they're all
[27:34] Speaker 1: really similar. So as soon as I level the playing
[27:36] Speaker 1: field and I go, oh, yeah, that hurts, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah.
[27:39] Speaker 1: I went through something similar. People go, oh, my God,
[27:42] Speaker 1: you did? That's unbelievable. And then you open the door
[27:47] Speaker 1: to conversation. And I think it's important for people in
[27:52] Speaker 1: our positions that have these weird soapboxes that we do to–
[27:58] Speaker 1: Be responsible with those and go, man, I can bridge
[28:01] Speaker 1: so many gaps with this.
[28:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
[28:05] Speaker 1: I can either do this to get free clothing all
[28:07] Speaker 1: the time or. And. Yeah, and. Not or, and.
[28:10] Speaker 2: Okay, and. Yes, and.
[28:12] Speaker 1: Fair, yes. Got it. Okay, because who doesn't like free clothing? Right.
[28:17] Speaker 1: But you can also.
[28:18] Speaker 2: Who doesn't like free clothing?
[28:19] Speaker 1: Note to self. I wear a size 11. Right.
[28:22] Speaker 2: New balance.
[28:25] Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of your shoes.
[28:26] Speaker 2: Zero two.
[28:27] Speaker 1: And scene. But I think we have this really cool
[28:34] Speaker 1: opportunity with the, with what this position is that we're
[28:40] Speaker 1: in to connect with people and do that. And it's really, it's,
[28:45] Speaker 1: it can be really special and really powerful. And it's,
[28:49] Speaker 1: you know, you can build, you can build this like
[28:52] Speaker 1: social media following based on just people that watch the show.
[28:56] Speaker 1: Or you can also build it with people that love you.
[29:00] Speaker 2: As a human being.
[29:01] Speaker 1: So you can have both.
[29:03] Speaker 2: Yes, and.
[29:05] Speaker 1: Yes, and. Let's get into your previous marriages and kind
[29:20] Speaker 1: of where, how your head has shifted from the first
[29:24] Speaker 1: one to the second one. to where you are now.
[29:26] Speaker 1: And I know it's a long span of time, but
[29:28] Speaker 1: we have time. Apparently we have this studio for hours.
[29:31] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Nobody else is coming in. So hang on.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Let's go. I'm going to put these down.
[29:38] Speaker 2: Cause I am, I've.
[29:40] Speaker 1: I feel like I've really sort of done covered what
[29:43] Speaker 1: I need to cover there. So now let's get into it.
[29:45] Speaker 2: Let's get into the nitty gritty because.
[29:47] Speaker 1: People want to know. And it's the, you know, it's,
[29:49] Speaker 1: it's the growth for people. Some people haven't been married
[29:53] Speaker 1: the first time and they, they have this sort of
[29:56] Speaker 1: a fantasy, like romanticized version of what it is. And
[30:00] Speaker 1: they have these expectations and then they get into something
[30:03] Speaker 1: and they go, this is not at all what I expected. Yeah. Wow.
[30:07] Speaker 1: Was that for you? Was it the same thing? Did
[30:09] Speaker 1: you sort of have a... Yeah.
[30:11] Speaker 2: I mean, yes and no. Like my first marriage, it was,
[30:14] Speaker 2: it was amazing. It was fantastic. I was, I wasn't
[30:18] Speaker 2: super young.
[30:18] Speaker 1: Okay.
[30:19] Speaker 2: I got into the relationship. We dated for five years and,
[30:22] Speaker 2: which was great. And... I was 19 when we first
[30:26] Speaker 2: started dating and 24 when we got married. So really,
[30:29] Speaker 2: you know, my brain was almost developed when we got married,
[30:32] Speaker 2: which is old for Mormons.
[30:33] Speaker 1: That's questionable.
[30:35] Speaker 2: Old for Mormons.
[30:36] Speaker 1: All right.
[30:36] Speaker 2: Usually Mormons get married if you hadn't had sex, you know,
[30:39] Speaker 2: and that's the thing.
[30:40] Speaker 1: Is that what pushes people into marriage? 100%. Is it really?
[30:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't have sex before you're married. And
[30:47] Speaker 2: so you have to get married.
[30:48] Speaker 1: So you're like, oh, let's just do this so we can, okay.
[30:50] Speaker 2: And then people find themselves stuck and having babies and
[30:53] Speaker 2: then they realize, oh, wait, we don't love each other.
[30:56] Speaker 2: We don't even like each other.
[30:57] Speaker 1: I just took this step for the sex.
[30:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:01] Speaker 1: Fair.
[31:01] Speaker 2: I mean, it would be helpful if you could kick
[31:04] Speaker 2: the tires a little bit before.
[31:07] Speaker 1: I'm a huge believer in kicking the tires.
[31:09] Speaker 2: Yes, and other things. Um, so, but luckily it was just,
[31:13] Speaker 2: it was beautiful. We had two kids. We were so
[31:16] Speaker 2: happy and I was just stay at home mom for
[31:19] Speaker 2: a decade. And I really liked that. I did acting
[31:22] Speaker 2: on the side. I did TV and movies and film.
[31:24] Speaker 2: And I did Broadway before we got married. So I mean,
[31:27] Speaker 2: I felt like I had done my career. I felt
[31:30] Speaker 2: like my career was over. It's time to be a
[31:32] Speaker 2: stay-at-home mom now, which I did. And then my husband
[31:37] Speaker 2: ended up having an affair with his business partner. So
[31:43] Speaker 2: that came out of left field. I mean, it was
[31:45] Speaker 2: so utterly, shockingly out of nowhere because I felt like,
[31:50] Speaker 2: we were so solid. Nothing could ever permeate this marriage
[31:55] Speaker 2: that I had no idea.
[31:57] Speaker 1: So it's not disrespectful by the way, I think to
[32:01] Speaker 1: speak about things that are painful and you're kind of
[32:05] Speaker 1: in it. And it's like, listen, if what I'm saying
[32:07] Speaker 1: doesn't make you look great, you're the one that did this. Not,
[32:11] Speaker 1: I'm just like recounting a story. I'm not calling you
[32:14] Speaker 1: out or judging you at all. So, uh, you know, it's,
[32:18] Speaker 1: I think there's a safety zone and a free and
[32:20] Speaker 1: clear in that.
[32:22] Speaker 2: I think, I mean, everyone has their reasons for why
[32:24] Speaker 2: they do what they do. And I'm sure I had,
[32:28] Speaker 2: I played some part in it. Maybe I was too naive.
[32:32] Speaker 2: Maybe I... I was too complacent in where I was.
[32:37] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It was a huge wake-up call.
[32:40] Speaker 2: So then the years, the three years after that, I
[32:44] Speaker 2: spent just trying to be like, oh my gosh, I'll
[32:46] Speaker 2: be better. I'll change. I'll do this. I'll get a
[32:49] Speaker 2: boob job. I'll grow my hair out long. You know
[32:52] Speaker 2: what I mean? You just start hyper-focusing on yourself. It's
[32:56] Speaker 2: my fault. What did I do? But really, it wasn't
[32:59] Speaker 2: my fault.
[32:59] Speaker 1: Did you have a feeling, though, of like, to be better,
[33:02] Speaker 1: I need to do these physical things? Mm-hmm. So it
[33:06] Speaker 1: was purely physical for.
[33:07] Speaker 2: You at that point? Well, I mean, yeah, I just
[33:09] Speaker 2: felt so.
[33:10] Speaker 1: Because he had cheated, you were like, oh, I... My
[33:13] Speaker 1: hair isn't long enough or straight enough or my boobs
[33:16] Speaker 1: aren't big enough.
[33:17] Speaker 2: You just naturally feel that way. You just naturally have
[33:21] Speaker 2: low self-esteem because like, what's good? What, what's not enough
[33:25] Speaker 2: about me? Why would you need to do that? But
[33:28] Speaker 2: in the end, it really isn't about you. It wasn't
[33:30] Speaker 2: about me at all. So I left, I finally left
[33:34] Speaker 2: that three years after finding out about the affair and
[33:37] Speaker 2: We struggled with that.
[33:38] Speaker 1: So you stayed in for another three years.
[33:40] Speaker 2: I stayed in just to try to, I mean, there
[33:43] Speaker 2: were promises of quitting and promises of giving up this person.
[33:47] Speaker 1: Well, you guys had two kids.
[33:48] Speaker 2: And we had two kids. And honestly, and we loved
[33:50] Speaker 2: each other.
[33:51] Speaker 1: I get that. There's a lot of pressure that comes
[33:52] Speaker 1: with that too of like, I don't, I want to
[33:55] Speaker 1: feel like if this ends, I've done everything that I
[33:59] Speaker 1: could do.
[34:00] Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. People didn't understand why I stayed. And, but
[34:04] Speaker 2: you get it. Like if you have kids and this
[34:06] Speaker 2: is your forever person, you're going to do whatever it takes.
[34:10] Speaker 2: So I did whatever I thought it took and it
[34:13] Speaker 2: still wasn't enough. And in the end I just had
[34:15] Speaker 2: to let go. And it literally was like cutting off
[34:18] Speaker 2: one of my limbs. It was. We loved each other
[34:21] Speaker 2: like so desperately. And he loved me too. Like it
[34:24] Speaker 2: was neither one of us wanted this to happen. So
[34:27] Speaker 2: that was really, really hard. And I left with really
[34:30] Speaker 2: low self-esteem and dated a thousand people. Like I was
[34:35] Speaker 2: just like, well, I.
[34:37] Speaker 1: Didn't get in the runway. Let's go. Yeah.
[34:40] Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to get it on. I'm
[34:42] Speaker 2: going to get, I watched crazy, stupid love with Emma
[34:44] Speaker 2: Stone and yeah.
[34:46] Speaker 1: And you were like, this is it.
[34:47] Speaker 2: I wanted to be the Ryan Gosling.
[34:48] Speaker 1: I'm going to find my Ryan Gosling. Yes.
[34:50] Speaker 2: I found my inner Ryan Gosling in that movie. And
[34:53] Speaker 2: I wanted to be that badass.
[34:55] Speaker 1: And dirty dancing lifts and all of it.
[34:57] Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Exactly. Lift me up, baby. Here I come.
[35:02] Speaker 2: And I literally probably dated a thousand men in two years.
[35:06] Speaker 2: I wrote a book about it. I created a spreadsheet.
[35:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's really cool.
[35:12] Speaker 2: I mean, I still didn't—this might be TMI, but I
[35:16] Speaker 2: was very precious about my body. It's not like I
[35:18] Speaker 2: slept around. I set a low, low body count, but
[35:22] Speaker 2: I kissed a thousand frogs. Let's just put it that way.
[35:25] Speaker 1: A low body count.
[35:26] Speaker 2: As much as I get accused of high body count hair,
[35:29] Speaker 2: that's a thing on my show.
[35:30] Speaker 1: Is it? Yes. Okay.
[35:32] Speaker 2: My body count is extremely low, but that's okay. Um,
[35:36] Speaker 2: no judgment in a high body count either, but it
[35:38] Speaker 2: just wasn't for me, but I was precious about that.
[35:41] Speaker 2: And I, but I dated 8,000 people basically out of self,
[35:46] Speaker 2: just low self-esteem. I really just had to get that.
[35:50] Speaker 2: I had to get that out, had to be Ryan
[35:52] Speaker 2: Gosling for a season.
[35:54] Speaker 1: Were there enough guys that you could date that would
[35:57] Speaker 1: make you feel like your self-esteem was good and you
[36:00] Speaker 1: felt good about yourself or Cause that's an interesting thing.
[36:02] Speaker 1: Like you're trying to fill a hole. Right.
[36:04] Speaker 2: I was trying to fill a hole.
[36:05] Speaker 1: That doesn't fill.
[36:07] Speaker 2: I was literally actually, yes, it was a self-esteem boost
[36:12] Speaker 2: to know that I'm wanted because I felt so unwanted,
[36:15] Speaker 2: obviously being cheated on. But more than that, I wanted
[36:19] Speaker 2: to fill this role of husband, like dutiful husband, loyal
[36:25] Speaker 2: husband that could be also like, I wanted to have
[36:29] Speaker 2: the perfect family for my kids. I wanted to have
[36:32] Speaker 2: the father for my children, that we could be a
[36:35] Speaker 2: family together and never break up. I just wanted that
[36:38] Speaker 2: eternal family, as they say in my faith. And so
[36:43] Speaker 2: I was looking to fill that role. And so I
[36:45] Speaker 2: had to just like go through men, like it was
[36:49] Speaker 2: a Rolodex spinning to find that.
[36:51] Speaker 1: Looking for that next person to fill that space.
[36:54] Speaker 2: Exactly, to fill that role.
[36:55] Speaker 1: And then you meet someone and you're like, this is
[36:58] Speaker 1: the guy.
[36:58] Speaker 2: Yes.
[36:59] Speaker 1: Get married again.
[37:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, we dated for a year, got married again, and
[37:02] Speaker 2: I thought it was the perfect setup. Again.
[37:06] Speaker 1: I found him.
[37:07] Speaker 2: I found him. Thank heavens. The heavens are opening. Birds
[37:11] Speaker 2: are singing. Trumpets are blaring. You know what I mean? Like,
[37:15] Speaker 2: it was a godsend, and our kids blended perfectly, and
[37:18] Speaker 2: we were just the immediate perfect family. And then that
[37:23] Speaker 2: all went sideways, and that's what... Wow. How much of
[37:28] Speaker 2: a part— That's what I can't talk about.
[37:30] Speaker 1: How much of a part in it do you think
[37:31] Speaker 1: you played? Because I strongly believe that it takes two people. Like,
[37:38] Speaker 1: you can point at one and go, ooh, what you
[37:40] Speaker 1: did here was really bad. But then how you responded,
[37:44] Speaker 1: who you were, also can play a big part.
[37:49] Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think I had blinders on. When people say,
[37:53] Speaker 2: you know, the criticism from earlier that I'm man-obsessed.
[37:56] Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with men— You're obsessed with love.
[38:00] Speaker 2: Yes, I'm obsessed with love. And I'm obsessed with this
[38:03] Speaker 2: version of a perfect marriage, a perfect love, a perfect
[38:07] Speaker 2: family that I had, that I grew up with. Because
[38:10] Speaker 2: my parents, I mean, they were married for 53 years
[38:13] Speaker 2: before my mom passed away. We had the perfect family.
[38:16] Speaker 2: where everyone was tight. All the siblings loved each other.
[38:19] Speaker 2: We still are so tight. My parents desperately loved, you know,
[38:23] Speaker 2: I just wanted, I wanted that, wanted that ideal marriage,
[38:26] Speaker 2: that ideal family. And so I thought I had that,
[38:29] Speaker 2: but I think I had blinders on. That was my,
[38:31] Speaker 2: that was my fault is that I was blind. I
[38:34] Speaker 2: turned a blind eye to things that I shouldn't have.
[38:36] Speaker 1: I think it's tough. We have these expectations of, because
[38:39] Speaker 1: my parents had this amazing relationship. I, I want the
[38:44] Speaker 1: same thing. And it's like, no, you're, path in life
[38:48] Speaker 1: is different you're a different human being so right you
[38:52] Speaker 1: are going to um contribute to the world in a completely.
[38:56] Speaker 2: Different way yes i love that that's okay yeah like it's.
[39:02] Speaker 1: Hard sometimes and you can wish oh my god i
[39:06] Speaker 1: wish i had the healthy relationship that that but you
[39:11] Speaker 1: are given a different path and you're on a different
[39:14] Speaker 1: one because you are capable of handling different.
[39:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. The butterfly effect. Every little decision
[39:21] Speaker 2: we make affects the rest of our lives. It's a
[39:23] Speaker 2: ripple effect.
[39:24] Speaker 1: Whenever people ask me, like, if you could go back
[39:26] Speaker 1: in time and change anything, what would you change? Nothing. Absolutely.
[39:30] Speaker 2: Nothing. Did you see that movie About Time?
[39:32] Speaker 1: No.
[39:32] Speaker 2: With Rachel McAdams? That's exactly the question that is asked.
[39:36] Speaker 1: Is it?
[39:36] Speaker 2: If you could go back and change just one thing.
[39:39] Speaker 1: I wouldn't be me right now.
[39:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[39:41] Speaker 1: I wouldn't be the same person. And you love who
[39:44] Speaker 1: you are.
[39:44] Speaker 2: I love who I am.
[39:46] Speaker 1: I understand.
[39:47] Speaker 2: But really, like if you could go back, I mean,
[39:50] Speaker 2: I say this as a pat answer all the time,
[39:52] Speaker 2: and I don't think I'm being completely honest, to be honest.
[39:55] Speaker 2: In fact, I just said it a few minutes ago.
[39:57] Speaker 2: I wouldn't change a thing. Bullshit. I call bullshit on that.
[40:00] Speaker 1: What would you change?
[40:01] Speaker 2: I would go back and I would choose several things differently.
[40:05] Speaker 2: But I don't want to say because I don't want
[40:06] Speaker 2: to cause any disrespect.
[40:07] Speaker 1: No, it's not disrespect though. It's not. This is a
[40:11] Speaker 1: very genuine, honest conversation.
[40:13] Speaker 2: I know, I know.
[40:14] Speaker 1: So it's not you mean no disrespect in any of
[40:18] Speaker 1: the things that you're talking about. I think you're talking.
[40:20] Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to disrespect who I would say
[40:23] Speaker 2: this about.
[40:23] Speaker 1: Okay.
[40:24] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[40:25] Speaker 1: So then just say it about yourself. What would you
[40:27] Speaker 1: change about?
[40:28] Speaker 2: Because I would make different decisions in my twenties.
[40:31] Speaker 1: But so if we, I, I'm a really, I'm a
[40:34] Speaker 1: firm believer in the only control that I have in
[40:37] Speaker 1: life is who I choose to be. Yeah. I have
[40:40] Speaker 1: no control over the rest of it. Like it could,
[40:42] Speaker 1: I could choose to be the greatest person in the world,
[40:44] Speaker 1: step off a curb and get hit by a bus
[40:45] Speaker 1: and die. Like it doesn't, there's, I have no control
[40:48] Speaker 1: over that.
[40:49] Speaker 2: True.
[40:49] Speaker 1: Who's the person that stepped off the curb. That's what
[40:51] Speaker 1: I have control over.
[40:53] Speaker 2: Right.
[40:53] Speaker 1: So if you could go back in time and change things.
[40:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Choices that you made things you did not necessarily what
[41:02] Speaker 1: other people did or situations you were in right what
[41:07] Speaker 1: you know in looking back on it people ask me
[41:09] Speaker 1: what would you do differently and it's I wouldn't I
[41:11] Speaker 1: honestly wouldn't do anything differently because as much as it
[41:16] Speaker 1: hurt when I was in those moments yeah I can
[41:18] Speaker 1: look back on literally all of them and go it's
[41:22] Speaker 1: because of that that I'm now this True.
[41:24] Speaker 2: It made you who you are and you love who
[41:26] Speaker 2: you are.
[41:26] Speaker 1: Those are the catalysts.
[41:27] Speaker 2: But really, it's kind of like being on that game
[41:29] Speaker 2: show where there's like choose door A or door B. And,
[41:34] Speaker 2: you know, you know what A is. And we got
[41:36] Speaker 2: to A. We love ourselves at A. But if you
[41:39] Speaker 2: could go all the way back to a really pivotal
[41:42] Speaker 2: decision that you made that could save you from going
[41:47] Speaker 2: through massive heartache, breaking other people's hearts, hurting your children.
[41:53] Speaker 2: This and that and the other. Would you choose B?
[41:56] Speaker 1: Could it though? Yes. Would it actually undo those things?
[42:00] Speaker 2: Well, yes, it would. But how do you know? But
[42:03] Speaker 2: how do you know that you wouldn't have other massive problems?
[42:06] Speaker 1: I love this conversation we're getting.
[42:07] Speaker 2: I do too.
[42:08] Speaker 1: For sure.
[42:08] Speaker 2: You would have other massive heartaches. And what if you
[42:11] Speaker 2: had cancer and died? What if you, you know what
[42:13] Speaker 2: I mean? But that's the stuff we have.
[42:15] Speaker 1: No control over. Right. Right. That, that's the hard part
[42:19] Speaker 1: of life. That is religion, right? Religion is, is just
[42:22] Speaker 1: trusting that this is going to end up in a
[42:25] Speaker 1: way that I'm okay with.
[42:27] Speaker 2: That's faith.
[42:28] Speaker 1: It's faith.
[42:29] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but what if you backtracked and you had
[42:31] Speaker 2: the knowledge of having gone through Dory all the way.
[42:34] Speaker 1: But how would you have the knowledge? That is a,
[42:37] Speaker 1: that's a, that's a crazy concept. That's the movie. Okay.
[42:41] Speaker 1: But now, okay. But now this is the two of
[42:43] Speaker 1: us sitting on a couch. That's a script that's written. Yeah. Okay.
[42:47] Speaker 2: So this is, this is, this is a new one
[42:49] Speaker 2: being written right now. We're writing a script right now.
[42:52] Speaker 2: You have the knowledge, you back up, you choose door B,
[42:55] Speaker 2: you have a whole different life.
[42:57] Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you get to the,
[42:59] Speaker 1: you get to that same point.
[43:00] Speaker 2: And you don't like yourself.
[43:01] Speaker 1: You get to the same age that we are right now.
[43:04] Speaker 1: We go, Oh my God, this is, I should have chosen.
[43:06] Speaker 1: Or you don't.
[43:07] Speaker 2: Get to, you don't get to the same age. You
[43:10] Speaker 2: die prematurely because you happen to step off a bus,
[43:13] Speaker 2: step off a curb and get hit by a bus.
[43:15] Speaker 1: You never know. Seriously. Which is why then you should
[43:18] Speaker 1: live every moment in the now.
[43:19] Speaker 2: 100%.
[43:21] Speaker 1: Right? Yeah.
[43:22] Speaker 2: And quantum physics. I mean, we might be able to
[43:24] Speaker 2: time travel.
[43:25] Speaker 1: We might.
[43:26] Speaker 2: In fact, time is all relative. It's Einstein's theory of relativity.
[43:29] Speaker 1: It's string theory or like, you know, how deep do
[43:31] Speaker 1: we want to go into time travel? I've done shows
[43:34] Speaker 1: based on string theory and time travel.
[43:36] Speaker 2: You have, you have.
[43:37] Speaker 1: I'm down to go into it.
[43:38] Speaker 2: I'm a quantum physics nerd. Are you? Yes, 100%. Einstein's
[43:42] Speaker 2: theory of relativity. Time is relative. It is, yeah. And
[43:47] Speaker 2: we're discovering more and more now with AI.
[43:48] Speaker 1: For sure.
[43:49] Speaker 2: Thanks to AI, which will kill us all, but that's okay.
[43:52] Speaker 1: Hence the showtime. I love that the show I did
[43:57] Speaker 1: was string theory and fighting AI.
[44:00] Speaker 2: No, for real.
[44:00] Speaker 1: Which ended the world.
[44:02] Speaker 2: Very, very relatable.
[44:03] Speaker 1: Oh my God. It's so fun.
[44:07] Speaker 2: We're meant to be you and I on this couch
[44:09] Speaker 2: right now.
[44:09] Speaker 1: Yeah. Having this conversation. It's really interesting because it's conversations
[44:12] Speaker 1: like this that open your mind to these different possibilities
[44:17] Speaker 1: and you leave and you go, that was a really
[44:19] Speaker 1: cool conversation. I've never thought that way necessarily before. And
[44:22] Speaker 1: then you continue these conversations with other people and it just,
[44:27] Speaker 1: it's a net. It just widens out. It's really fun.
[44:30] Speaker 1: You know, it's really fun how you can do that.
[44:32] Speaker 2: Sometimes I would absolutely, absolutely choose door A still. I
[44:37] Speaker 2: would say, and I stand by, I really love, I mean,
[44:40] Speaker 2: everything in my life, knock on wood, is going well
[44:42] Speaker 2: right now. Every single thing. a manifestation, everything I'm manifesting
[44:48] Speaker 2: ends up coming to be. Um, I really believe in
[44:50] Speaker 2: quantum physics and it really works in my favor. My
[44:54] Speaker 2: daughters and I talk every day. I mean, I live
[44:57] Speaker 2: in a beautiful home. I have a great career. Everything's
[44:59] Speaker 2: going great.
[45:00] Speaker 1: Right.
[45:01] Speaker 2: But, um, and so I would absolutely choose a, but sometimes,
[45:06] Speaker 2: sometimes in my weak moments, I would go back and
[45:09] Speaker 2: choose what could have been.
[45:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
[45:11] Speaker 2: Especially if you have the knowledge, curiosity.
[45:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So for me.
[45:26] Speaker 2: You wouldn't go back to high school, say, make different choices?
[45:29] Speaker 1: No, it's too big of a risk to me of
[45:32] Speaker 1: not turning out being who I am right now because
[45:35] Speaker 1: I genuinely feel like this is... I have found my
[45:42] Speaker 1: true calling. I have found... who I'm comfortable being. I've
[45:47] Speaker 1: found who the universe has always intended me to be.
[45:52] Speaker 1: And I'm on this path of discovering that. And I
[45:57] Speaker 1: worry that anything that changed would take me off of
[46:01] Speaker 1: this path that I'm on now.
[46:02] Speaker 2: It would, right.
[46:04] Speaker 1: It would or it would not.
[46:05] Speaker 2: You might end up in the exact same place.
[46:08] Speaker 1: The exact same place, sure. Yeah.
[46:10] Speaker 2: Well, are you in a relationship right now?
[46:12] Speaker 1: I am. I'm engaged. Oh my gosh, congratulations. My fiancee, Sharna,
[46:16] Speaker 1: is a professional dancer. She is back on this season
[46:19] Speaker 1: of Dancing with the Stars, which starts on Tuesday. Oh,
[46:22] Speaker 1: my gosh.
[46:22] Speaker 2: Congrats. That's incredible.
[46:24] Speaker 1: She's a phenomenal dancer. We have a four-year-old.
[46:27] Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
[46:28] Speaker 1: I have five kids.
[46:29] Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. That's exciting.
[46:32] Speaker 1: I've done my thing. Yeah.
[46:34] Speaker 2: You, you figured out quickly.
[46:38] Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'm not very good at this. Like, you know,
[46:41] Speaker 1: avoiding pregnancy thing. Like my, my form of birth control sucks.
[46:45] Speaker 2: So I'm just going to know those sperm are just determined.
[46:50] Speaker 1: Oh my God.
[46:51] Speaker 2: Tenacious little sperm.
[46:52] Speaker 1: So tenacious.
[46:53] Speaker 2: But Hey, that's great. You're great at spreading your seed.
[46:59] Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like, that's not a compliment, right? That's
[47:04] Speaker 1: a weird.
[47:04] Speaker 2: No, that is not.
[47:05] Speaker 1: It's not.
[47:06] Speaker 2: That is absolutely.
[47:07] Speaker 1: You're great at spreading your seed.
[47:09] Speaker 2: Evolutionarily, it's a compliment. Biologically, it's a huge compliment. Are
[47:14] Speaker 2: you kidding me?
[47:15] Speaker 1: I would kill for that position. Emotionally, not the best.
[47:20] Speaker 1: You're coming up a little short.
[47:22] Speaker 2: Oh, dang it. I meant it as a compliment.
[47:24] Speaker 1: I love, I love parenting though. I love parenting. I
[47:28] Speaker 1: always say like, To me, there are two very specific
[47:34] Speaker 1: different careers. There's a mother and a father, which people
[47:38] Speaker 1: can easily be. Right. But to be a parent, that's
[47:42] Speaker 1: the work. Yeah. Getting up in the morning, making lunches,
[47:45] Speaker 1: being a part of like after school activities, school itself.
[47:49] Speaker 1: And like that is, that's the work. That's so true.
[47:52] Speaker 1: And some people are really good at that.
[47:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[47:55] Speaker 1: They're amazing parents. And then some people, that's just not.
[47:58] Speaker 2: It's not their thing.
[47:59] Speaker 1: It's not their thing.
[47:59] Speaker 2: But it's your thing.
[48:00] Speaker 1: I love it.
[48:01] Speaker 2: I'm so glad.
[48:02] Speaker 1: I love it.
[48:02] Speaker 2: Cause that's the, that's the reward.
[48:04] Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
[48:05] Speaker 2: That's the rewarding part.
[48:06] Speaker 1: It is.
[48:06] Speaker 2: So you have a four year old, a boy or girl.
[48:09] Speaker 1: I have a four year old boy. I'm going to
[48:12] Speaker 1: get a prison tattoo, a clock with no hands. Cause
[48:16] Speaker 1: it's a life sentence for me. Like my manager is
[48:19] Speaker 1: going through empty nest. Now I I'll be in my seven.
[48:23] Speaker 2: That's amazing. I love that.
[48:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[48:26] Speaker 2: You know what, though? We're going to be a young 70.
[48:28] Speaker 2: I mean, the world is changing. They just started reversing
[48:32] Speaker 2: age like last month. Except who's that.
[48:36] Speaker 1: One guy that was doing all of the 17-year-old things
[48:40] Speaker 1: to try and age in reverse? And then he ended up,
[48:43] Speaker 1: he has, who is it? Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson. He
[48:47] Speaker 1: ended up with some, it like backfired on him. He
[48:50] Speaker 1: has an autoimmune issue now. Oh no, crap. Oh yeah.
[48:54] Speaker 1: It all went south. Oh no, I don't know this.
[48:57] Speaker 1: Because you are.
[48:58] Speaker 2: He was doing it on himself?
[49:00] Speaker 1: No, he had, he was spending like a million dollars
[49:03] Speaker 1: a year. It was a. Like he's done really well
[49:07] Speaker 1: in business. And so he was like, I want to
[49:10] Speaker 1: age in reverse. Like that's my goal. Yeah. And so
[49:13] Speaker 1: he was doing all the supplements. He was doing all
[49:15] Speaker 1: the workout plans. He was doing all the meal plans.
[49:17] Speaker 1: Like he was very on it.
[49:18] Speaker 2: Biohacking.
[49:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. Biohacking to the point where he's trying to reverse
[49:24] Speaker 1: engineer everything. And his body was like, nope. and shut
[49:29] Speaker 1: it down. And now he has all of these autoimmune
[49:33] Speaker 1: issues that are, it's become a very big thing. Oh, wow.
[49:37] Speaker 2: I did not hear that. Oh, you're breaking my heart here.
[49:40] Speaker 2: You're ruining my plan.
[49:42] Speaker 1: It's I, you know, I make people feel great and
[49:45] Speaker 1: then I break their heart at the same time. That's
[49:47] Speaker 1: how this works.
[49:49] Speaker 2: I love it. It's working. No, I'm so sad.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Shoot.
[49:52] Speaker 2: That was my plan, but you're going to be a
[49:54] Speaker 2: great 70 father. That's the point. By the time you
[49:58] Speaker 2: and I have to worry about it, they'll have it
[50:00] Speaker 2: all dialed in.
[50:00] Speaker 1: They'll have it all dialed in.
[50:02] Speaker 2: Or we'll be dead by robots.
[50:03] Speaker 1: We'll have learned from this dude. Yeah.
[50:05] Speaker 2: Robots, look at us.
[50:07] Speaker 1: Oh my God. Can you imagine? No, I, so I love, like,
[50:11] Speaker 1: I love my 50s. I love them.
[50:13] Speaker 2: Me too. Me too.
[50:15] Speaker 1: I genuinely feel like this is my favorite decade so far.
[50:18] Speaker 2: And I'm jealous you have a four-year-old because that's just like, oh,
[50:22] Speaker 2: that's so fun. Has he started preschool?
[50:26] Speaker 1: He's in TK. Yeah, he's in pre.
[50:28] Speaker 2: Do you like go and like watch?
[50:30] Speaker 1: This is his second year of pre-K.
[50:33] Speaker 2: Do you have to pry yourself away?
[50:35] Speaker 1: So every once in a while, like the school send
[50:40] Speaker 1: like pictures and videos of what they did. And it's
[50:44] Speaker 1: so cute. It's so cute. Because the things that they
[50:48] Speaker 1: find joy in, it just reminds you of like, I
[50:52] Speaker 1: need to simplify my mind.
[50:54] Speaker 2: I love it. I'm so happy for you.
[50:56] Speaker 1: I've gone down the rabbit hole of like, I need
[50:59] Speaker 1: all of these things. And I just want it to
[51:01] Speaker 1: be simple again where it's like, oh, tie-dying was so
[51:04] Speaker 1: much fun and it was so great all going on
[51:06] Speaker 1: this nature walk and picking rocks. And he'll come home
[51:11] Speaker 1: from school and the whole front pocket of his backpack
[51:14] Speaker 1: will be full of rocks. But they're all like crystals
[51:17] Speaker 1: and jewels to him that he found. Right. It's like, yeah,
[51:20] Speaker 1: that's okay. But they're not. But, you know, cool. Cool.
[51:23] Speaker 2: Oh, that's precious.
[51:24] Speaker 1: And then I have to go through and like, while
[51:26] Speaker 1: he's not looking, remove them all and put them all
[51:28] Speaker 1: back in the yard. Right, right. And hope that he
[51:31] Speaker 1: just forgets. He doesn't go through and go, where are
[51:33] Speaker 1: my jewels? Yeah, right. Oh my God, where are your jewels?
[51:35] Speaker 2: Where are they? They made it their way outside.
[51:37] Speaker 1: And then I have to create some lie of like,
[51:39] Speaker 1: you know, oh, the jewel fairy came and, you know,
[51:41] Speaker 1: put them back outside because that's how the world works.
[51:45] Speaker 2: Right. Oh gosh, that's funny.
[51:47] Speaker 1: So, okay. So you went into, married the second time. Yeah.
[51:52] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:53] Speaker 1: Goal of this is it. This is the one, which
[51:55] Speaker 1: to me, every marriage is that.
[52:00] Speaker 2: Right.
[52:00] Speaker 1: You do it one time. Right.
[52:02] Speaker 2: You don't get married to like a divorce.
[52:04] Speaker 1: That's never the end goal is like, let's see how
[52:06] Speaker 1: long this one lasts. It's like, this should be the
[52:09] Speaker 1: one where you go, okay, this is, I'm good now.
[52:12] Speaker 1: I don't ever have to worry about this part of
[52:14] Speaker 1: my life again.
[52:14] Speaker 2: This is my person forever and ever till death do
[52:16] Speaker 2: we part.
[52:17] Speaker 1: Right. I have my person. That's a funny statement, though,
[52:20] Speaker 1: till death do us part.
[52:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[52:22] Speaker 1: I had this conversation with someone not too long ago,
[52:25] Speaker 1: and it was, oh, we were doing an episode of
[52:29] Speaker 1: I Do Part Two, and it was all the guys,
[52:31] Speaker 1: and we were sort of talking about that, and we
[52:33] Speaker 1: were answering questions that would come in as voicemails or emails.
[52:38] Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it, and I was like,
[52:40] Speaker 1: you know what? Till death do us part is.
[52:46] Speaker 1: It's interesting. I wonder what the true meaning of that is.
[52:50] Speaker 1: So you are into quantum physics and all that. The
[52:55] Speaker 1: death of this relationship? Or is it the physical death
[53:00] Speaker 1: of our lives? If it's the death of this relationship, then...
[53:06] Speaker 1: Are you then not proud of it lasted for five years,
[53:09] Speaker 1: but oh my God, we saw the entire five years
[53:12] Speaker 1: through and we got to the death of the relationship.
[53:14] Speaker 1: I think that's a great.
[53:15] Speaker 2: Way to look at it. That's the Brad Pitt way. Right?
[53:18] Speaker 2: Didn't he say something about that when he and Angelina split?
[53:22] Speaker 2: He did. He said something like- I'd love him if
[53:24] Speaker 2: he did. It was Jennifer Aniston. He said something like, well,
[53:28] Speaker 2: let's just be proud that it lasted this long. Let's
[53:32] Speaker 2: not look at like, It should have lasted longer.
[53:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[53:34] Speaker 2: Not look at it as a failure. I love that idea.
[53:36] Speaker 2: It's a success.
[53:37] Speaker 1: We lived the entire life of what this relationship was
[53:40] Speaker 1: supposed to be. Yeah. And you get amazing things out
[53:43] Speaker 1: of a relationship and then you move on from it.
[53:45] Speaker 1: You go, okay, next step in life.
[53:47] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[53:48] Speaker 1: I think people sometimes put pressure on marriage thinking that
[53:57] Speaker 1: It's supposed to last my entire physical life.
[54:01] Speaker 2: Well, that's what it means. That's what it literally means
[54:03] Speaker 2: till death do us part. I mean, that's what the intent,
[54:06] Speaker 2: those who wrote the script intended it to mean.
[54:08] Speaker 1: Those who wrote the vows. Right.
[54:10] Speaker 2: Wrote the vows.
[54:12] Speaker 1: Because those were written by someone.
[54:13] Speaker 2: Yes, they were till death do us part. They intended physical,
[54:17] Speaker 2: physical death, but.
[54:19] Speaker 1: Are you sure?
[54:19] Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. Pretty sure they weren't into the whole
[54:23] Speaker 2: quantum physics back then.
[54:25] Speaker 1: But who knows? Who wrote the vows?
[54:28] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
[54:29] Speaker 1: Do you know? I don't.
[54:31] Speaker 2: I don't. So what was the intention? That's a really
[54:34] Speaker 2: good question.
[54:35] Speaker 1: What was the intention when the vows were written?
[54:37] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[54:38] Speaker 1: And who wrote them?
[54:39] Speaker 2: Don't you think they were pretty much, I mean, they
[54:42] Speaker 2: were meant to be physical, but you and I can
[54:44] Speaker 2: interpret them to be anything.
[54:45] Speaker 1: Well, but I mean, we can have the same conversation
[54:48] Speaker 1: with religion and all of the different books. Like, you know,
[54:51] Speaker 1: do I take them literally? Do I take them as like,
[54:54] Speaker 1: do I interpret them in a different way? And they're
[54:56] Speaker 1: all sort of open books. That way. So it really
[55:00] Speaker 1: becomes the fun thing for thinkers. Right.
[55:04] Speaker 2: For free thinkers.
[55:04] Speaker 1: To go in and go.
[55:05] Speaker 2: Because we free think. Yeah.
[55:08] Speaker 1: Like I wonder, I want to find the version of
[55:11] Speaker 1: it because this rings true to me to read it.
[55:15] Speaker 1: But my, it rings true to me being interpreted a
[55:18] Speaker 1: different way.
[55:19] Speaker 2: Well, you and I have the liberty and the, yeah,
[55:24] Speaker 2: we can interpret things differently than the way they were intended.
[55:28] Speaker 2: But I don't, I think that the longer, the more
[55:31] Speaker 2: time goes on, the more people can free think or
[55:35] Speaker 2: just naturally. And we're going to start interpreting. Some of us,
[55:39] Speaker 2: not all of us human beings, but a lot of
[55:42] Speaker 2: us just start thinking of it as a parable or
[55:46] Speaker 2: a metaphor.
[55:46] Speaker 1: Whereas.
[55:48] Speaker 2: Like people literally believe the Bible word for word, like,
[55:51] Speaker 2: like in a literal sense.
[55:53] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[55:54] Speaker 2: And I think that the more.
[55:56] Speaker 1: Educated you are. And those are people I have that
[55:58] Speaker 1: I want to have conversations with.
[55:59] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and so we're talking about the same thing
[56:01] Speaker 2: with the vows, you know, the vows were written a
[56:03] Speaker 2: long time ago and it was probably most likely written literally. And,
[56:09] Speaker 2: but now you and.
[56:10] Speaker 1: I are kind of interpreted a million times and I've got,
[56:12] Speaker 1: you know, like it's, I can go to a, you know,
[56:16] Speaker 1: take a class and within two hours be ordained and
[56:19] Speaker 1: all of a sudden I can say the vow. Right, right.
[56:21] Speaker 1: But they're all interpretations and they're all from the, it
[56:25] Speaker 1: depends on the school you go to. It depends on
[56:28] Speaker 1: your own feelings. And so you see these ceremonies and
[56:31] Speaker 1: they can be very different because people interpret them.
[56:34] Speaker 2: So what is your wedding going to be like? Have
[56:37] Speaker 2: you guys decided when.
[56:38] Speaker 1: Where, how? We haven't decided when or where because we're both,
[56:44] Speaker 1: extremely busy in life. We completely live our lives together.
[56:50] Speaker 1: We own a home together. We were in this. So
[56:54] Speaker 1: to me, the wedding weddings are much more for everyone
[56:59] Speaker 1: else to see. It's like you are showing everybody else
[57:04] Speaker 1: like this is how much we love each other. It's
[57:07] Speaker 1: not for us. We're already married. Like we already Yeah.
[57:11] Speaker 1: Are together and we share everything. Right. We love each other.
[57:14] Speaker 2: You share a life.
[57:15] Speaker 1: You know, and she is my person and I want
[57:19] Speaker 1: to be hers. And I'm constantly trying to see what
[57:23] Speaker 1: it is I'm lacking, what I can do better, what
[57:25] Speaker 1: would make her feel.
[57:26] Speaker 2: Better in these moments. And that's what's going to make
[57:29] Speaker 2: it successful.
[57:31] Speaker 1: Constantly being aware.
[57:32] Speaker 2: And it's going to be successful.
[57:33] Speaker 1: For how long it's going to be successful.
[57:35] Speaker 2: That's such a good point.
[57:37] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
[57:38] Speaker 2: But the more you can make space for each other
[57:41] Speaker 2: is what I've noticed and really be sensitive to how
[57:44] Speaker 2: the other person is feeling in the relationship and what
[57:47] Speaker 2: can I change to make you feel better? How can
[57:51] Speaker 2: I help you is what makes a relationship last.
[57:55] Speaker 1: There's no better way to stay on the same path
[57:57] Speaker 1: than to go, hey, what is... What path are you on?
[57:59] Speaker 1: How can I help you stay on that path? And
[58:01] Speaker 1: then I go, Ooh, I like the way that that
[58:03] Speaker 1: worked with you. And so then I adopt it to
[58:06] Speaker 1: my path. And then of course we stay on the
[58:08] Speaker 1: same path. It's as soon as you stop communicating about
[58:12] Speaker 1: everything and start out and stop actually caring and you
[58:15] Speaker 1: become selfish.
[58:16] Speaker 2: Stop caring.
[58:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. Paths and. Yep.
[58:19] Speaker 2: Divert.
[58:21] Speaker 1: Yes.
[58:22] Speaker 2: Beautifully said. Yeah, you guys are going to be great.
[58:26] Speaker 2: I'm excited for you.
[58:27] Speaker 1: Well, I hope so. Now, there are two other women
[58:31] Speaker 1: on the show with you who are going through it.
[58:36] Speaker 2: I know. I know.
[58:37] Speaker 1: And how long have they been married?
[58:39] Speaker 2: Angie's been married, I mean, decades. Decades.
[58:43] Speaker 1: Decades. Kids.
[58:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, kid.
[58:45] Speaker 1: Kid.
[58:46] Speaker 2: Teenage girl, yep. Whitney, like, I mean, over 10 years.
[58:51] Speaker 1: Kids. Kids.
[58:54] Speaker 2: I would say 15, 16 years they've been married at least. Yeah,
[58:58] Speaker 2: they're in it.
[58:59] Speaker 1: And are they devastated or are they in a point
[59:01] Speaker 1: where they're kind of excited about the possibility of what
[59:05] Speaker 1: life is next for them?
[59:08] Speaker 2: I would say it's sacred. to say devastated. I, um,
[59:13] Speaker 2: I can't speak for them obviously, but they, I just
[59:17] Speaker 2: putting myself in their shoes, I would be devastated. And
[59:20] Speaker 2: I think it's clear from what they've said on the
[59:23] Speaker 2: meat in the media that they're devastated. It's devastating.
[59:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[59:27] Speaker 2: You know, you have kids with somebody they're, It's your
[59:30] Speaker 2: husband for heaven's sakes. And it's devastating.
[59:43] Speaker 1: You set these expectations and you sort of, you have
[59:46] Speaker 1: this dream in your head, like you've envisioned it all,
[59:50] Speaker 1: how you're going to retire, the home you're going to have,
[59:52] Speaker 1: the things you're going to do. And then all of
[59:54] Speaker 1: a sudden when you, that all comes to an abrupt
[59:58] Speaker 1: end and you realize like, Oh, I saw all these things,
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: but I'm not, we're not going to see them through. Right.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: That sucks. It's that, that's a hard thing to, to
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: wrap your head around and then sort of get through. Right.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: But you will get through the more I, I always
[1:00:16] Speaker 1: say the more you talk, the more you really sit
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: and analyze it and figure it out and figure out
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: what part you played in it. Not like, It's easy
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: to point a finger and go, oh, they did this.
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: They did that.
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: They did.
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: It's not going to help you. Right. It's going to
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: give you a reason where like therapy is really fun
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: for the first couple times because you're in hitting pillows
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: and you're yelling about all the people that have done
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: you wrong and all this stuff. Yeah, yeah. And then
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's like, okay, cool.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: Now what?
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: I've done it. Yeah. Now what am I going to
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: do in here? Yeah. And then you have to turn
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: it around and go, okay, what do I do that
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: I no longer want to do, that I no longer
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: want to subject someone else to that doesn't deserve this? X, Y,
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: and Z. That's such a good point. We collect all
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: these red flags in life, in relationships, and then we
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: look for those in these new relationships. And we go, oop,
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: there's that red flag. Okay, pumped the brakes on that.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: I'm not going to fall for that one again. Yeah.
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: That person doesn't own those red flags. That person is
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: not the reason that that red flag was in your life.
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: The person that put them in your life is. So
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: it's unfair to put that burden on someone else. What?
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: Okay, you're blowing my mind here.
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: But think about it.
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: Explain that again. I need to fully assimilate this.
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: I've gone through relationship things. I have a bunch of
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: red flags and things that I've collected where it's kind
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: of my safety net. It's like, Okay, I don't have control,
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: but I want to try and have as much control
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: as I can. So I want to look for these
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: things that I know could go south. Then you and
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: I start dating. We have a relationship. You are nothing
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: like the person that I was with before. But I've
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: got all those red flags from that person on you.
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: And it's unfair because you're like, I didn't cause that pain.
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: I'm not someone that lies to you about this or
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: has put you through this. So it's unfair for you
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: to put that burden on me because you're not allowing
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: me to be a thousand percent me. I see.
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: You mean like red flags, meaning kind of hypersensitivity to
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: certain traits.
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: Sure.
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: Is that, is that what you're saying?
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: But it's not fair.
[1:02:35] Speaker 1: Red flags are things that you, that you have to
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: protect yourself. They're these like little sort of crutches in
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: these things, these walls that you put up, And as
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: soon as you see something that is similar, ooh, my
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: ex-husband said something similar to that. Oh, I know where
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: this is going to go. It's like, no, you don't.
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: This person isn't your ex-husband. They may have said it
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: with a completely different meaning. The context is completely different.
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: But you are not allowing that person to have their
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: own context on it because immediately you put your ex-husband
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: on it.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, my mind is blown. That is such
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: a good point.
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: But we make it so hard on ourselves.
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: That is my biggest takeaway from today.
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: We make it so hard on ourselves.
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: And we make it then so hard on our partner
[1:03:21] Speaker 1: because our partner has to live with the baggage that
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: somebody else created.
[1:03:27] Speaker 2: That's so true. And it's not fair.
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: It's not fair. When I look back on probably the
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: greatest relationship until the one I'm in now that I
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: had was my first because I had no red flags.
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: I loved a thousand percent. I was like, here's all
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: of me. This feels amazing. And then all of a
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: sudden you get hurt and you go, oh my God,
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: how can I avoid being hurt like that again? Cause
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: that was terrible. So then you start finding all the
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: little things. Okay. Well just don't invest the same way.
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: Look out for little things because this went wrong before.
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: So I'm going to make sure that doesn't go wrong again.
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of shield myself from these things.
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: But then you don't fully love again.
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: Right, right.
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: Until you go, okay, I'm going to throw all those
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: out and it's hard. Yeah. It's painful and it's scary. Yeah.
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: Because it could hurt just like it did that first
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: time or it could not.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: And what happened? I'm like on the edge of my
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: seat here.
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: Or you end up with an amazing relationship. I'm in
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: an amazing relationship now.
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: So that's what you did. You're saying.
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: But she reminds me of it all the time. Like
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: I'll react to her in a certain way where she
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: knows I'm not reacting to her. I'm reacting to the
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: life I've lived and the things that I went through before.
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: And she'll remind me, she'll say to me, I'm not that.
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: I would never do that. You're safe from that. So
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: then I can sit back and I can.
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: You can relax.
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: Relax.
[1:04:58] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy for you that you have that.
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: Those are the conversations. Those are the conversations you should
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: be having with the person.
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: But you're with someone that holds space for you and
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: that gently reminds you, look, you can let your walls down.
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: You can let your guard down. You're safe with me.
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: That's huge.
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: That's a two-way street though. I know.
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: But Brian, I'm so happy for you.
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: Thank you. That's a relationship that you create.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: It is a two-way street. Both people have to do it.
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: One person can't do it and.
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: The other person not do it. Yeah. If I am
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: completely guarded and I don't share anything with her, then
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: she doesn't feel safe sharing with me. And then all
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: of a sudden we are walking on eggshells around each
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: other because of all these unsaid things.
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: It takes two.
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: Just fucking say them. I agree.
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: Just say it all.
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: I agree.
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: Talk about everything. But you got to find someone that is...
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: But you got to find someone like you have that
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: is willing to care about how you feel about things.
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: You know, it that way.
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:05:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: It's, I was really lucky in the relationship because we
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: started that way.
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: I love that.
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: We started with a true, let's just talk. Yeah. Let's
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: just be friends. Let's talk about the things we're good at,
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: the things we're not good at, like our insecurities, our stuff.
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: We didn't put the mask on of like, This is
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: what someone's going to like best about me. Because then
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: that is, to me, that is. It's disingenuous. And it's
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: just like that is the, what do you call it?
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: You can only last for like six months or so. Oh, yeah.
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: As an expiration date.
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: As an expiration date. Before all of a sudden you're
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: traveling and you're stressed. Right. You're going through life and
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: you're going through things. Right. And you're like, man, I
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: can no longer sustain this. this facade that I put on.
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: Yeah. So you got to start it in the right place.
[1:06:47] Speaker 2: Well, I hope to have your luck. I'm not looking
[1:06:50] Speaker 2: right now. I'm not even really interested in dating. I'm
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: just sort of like burned out.
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: But I really hope that the next time you meet someone,
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: you start it from that place of like, you're just
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: being you. The guards are down. talking about your life.
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: You're talking about where you are now. You're talking about
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: what you want.
[1:07:11] Speaker 2: I love your analogies.
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they go, you know what? I, it's
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: really similar for me.
[1:07:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: Really? This is amazing. And then you start getting into
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: these conversations and you go, that was an unbelievable conversation.
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: Can we do this again?
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: And you hold space for each other in the same
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: ways that are compatible.
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: And you may, and then you make a choice of
[1:07:31] Speaker 1: we're going to do this always.
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: Love that.
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: It'll happen for me someday.
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: It absolutely will.
[1:07:38] Speaker 2: I'm in love with love.
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: You just have to be in the right space.
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: You know, you have to make sure that you're in
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: the right space where you don't have expectations above finding
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: a partner, finding a friend, finding a person.
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. You're totally going to do this. Love. Because you're
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: so great at sitting and talking and doing it. You
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: just need to find somebody else to sit opposite you
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: and go, yeah, let's do this together.
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: You'll absolutely do it.
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think so too. Oh, I'm so glad we
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: had this talk. This was so nice.
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: It was amazing. You know, this show is I do
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: part two. Like this is, I, I always genuinely hope
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: that people listen to this and it helps them step
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: into the world with a little more clarity and a
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: little more understanding of how simple it can be if
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: they go in with the right intentions. You can either
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: make it really hard for yourself by not communicating and
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: not doing the things and then being unsure and putting
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: up the guards in the walls and trying to shield
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: yourself from life.
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: Trying to manipulate it, work it, yeah.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: It's never going to happen.
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: You're right.
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: You're right. Yeah. So, you know, jump in and do it. Okay,
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: so first of all, yeah, you can catch Brittany and
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: the rest of the crew on the new season of
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. That's Wednesdays. on Bravo
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: and it's streaming on Peacock the very next day. So
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: it's on Bravo the first night. And then it's like, hey,
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: if you missed it.
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: It's live on Bravo. Yep.
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: Got it. Okay. If you're going through a divorce, you're
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: trying to find your way again, we're here to help.
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: So send us an email, leave us a voicemail. All
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: the info is in the show notes. You can follow
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: us on socials. I do part two. It's an iHeartRadio
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: podcast where falling in love is the main objective. And
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: it really is. See you next time.

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