# 485 | ALETHIA AI Founder: We Made Muzamil’s AI Avatar & Asked WHO HE’D VOTE FOR!! | TBT

An episode of [Thought Behind Things](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1532974013), 19 Nov 2025, 1 h 56 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/36c5ffa4/podcast/play/111380016/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-10-18%2F412737898-44100-2-f6ff76c1c2116.mp3

CHECK OUT MY AI AVATAR: https://muzamil.alethia.ai/ In this episode, we sit down with Arif Khan, Founder & CEO of ALETHIA AI, the global startup building real-time interactive AI agents, with a major part of the technology being developed in Pakistan. We Explore: • Creating AI versions of real people • How Muzamil’s own AI avatar was trained • Using AI for education, government services, counselling, and digital access • What the post-AI world will look like • And why energy scarcity might become the biggest challenge of the AI boom A deep, honest, and mind-bending conversation about AI, identity, misuse, and the future of knowledge. Socials: TBT’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/ TBT’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil TBT’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings TBT Clips: https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/ Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/ Arif's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arikhan/ Endeavor's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space. You can find out more about them at: https://kickstart.pk/ Credits: Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar Publisher: Talha Shaikh Editor: Jawad Sajid

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