# 495 | Pakistan’s BIGGEST Startup Success Story: vyro.ai Ft. Ahmed Abubakar | TBT

An episode of [Thought Behind Things](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1532974013), 5 Dec 2025, 2 h 27 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/36c5ffa4/podcast/play/112184527/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-11-5%2F413808971-44100-2-b9ac14b2e4689.mp3

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Ahmed Abubakar, Founder of Imagine Art - a Pakistan-built GenAI creative suite used by millions worldwide and competing for #1–#2 positions in global design app charts, right next to Canva. Today, Imagine does $30M+ ARR, with a major portion of revenue coming from the US and international markets - proving that world-class AI products can be built from Pakistan. We Explore: • Early life, education, and family sacrifices • Building Imagine and scaling GenAI to millions • Why Pakistani app & gaming industry is bigger than India’s • Monetization, profitability & $30M ARR • ESOPs, stock options & talent philosophy • Future of AI models, creativity, disruption & user context mapping • Moving to the US, global talent, and Pakistan’s role in 2050 Socials: TBT’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/ TBT’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil TBT’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings TBT Clips: https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/ Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/ Ahmed's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ahmed-abubakar-9482127b/ Endeavor's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan Credits: Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar Publisher: Talha Shaikh Editor: Jawad Sajid

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