# 493 | AI Race Starts At ZERO For BOTH Pakistan & India!! Ft. Nayab Babar | TBT

An episode of [Thought Behind Things](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1532974013), 3 Dec 2025, 2 h 15 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/36c5ffa4/podcast/play/112068180/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-11-3%2F413664502-44100-2-43bd75ce16f8c.mp3

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Nayab Babar, Chief Investment Officer at the Pakistan Startup Fund, the man shaping how capital flows into Pakistan’s next generation of startups. Nayab shares how Warcraft strategy games trained his problem-solving mindset, how his perspective on racism changed, and why he believes exposure not arguments fixes prejudice. Nayab also explains why: • Pakistan & India have the same starting line in AI • You won’t be replaced by AI, but by people USING AI • Western media’s “free speech” narrative is deeply hypocritical • NICs are broken and need complete rebuilding • Brain drain isn’t always a bad thing This is one of the most honest conversations on Pakistan’s tech reality, global competition, and the mindset shift needed for the next decade. Socials: TBT’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/ TBT’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil TBT’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings TBT Clips: https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/ Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/ Nayab's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nayab-babar-cfa/ Endeavor's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan Credits: Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar Publisher: Talha Shaikh Editor: Jawad Sajid

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